WEBVTT - Tarik Skubal mock trades + Max Clark's promotion 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.000 And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.280 the Bouel Territory Network, Detroit Tiger's podcast. I am curiocetctly 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:16.960 with me as always as a man who was neither 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:21.800 a billionaire nor a coastal elite. He is Cody Stavenagg. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:22.560 And how are we doing. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.560 Doing all right? Kieren? You know what? Both of those 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.320 things are accurate. I can't dispute it. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.920 Well, we are recording this Thursday early evening and Thursday 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.559 morning we got some big news in tiger Land, and 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.000 I think that's probably the most appropriate place to start 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.920 the long awaited but not as long as I think 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.760 we would have thought. Twenty four hours ago, debut of 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.440 Max Clark is upon us. Cody Emily Walden over at 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.480 Baseball America, a long time Tiger's contributor to the media space, 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:55.520 broke the news. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:01:00.360 You also confirmed it this morning. How about that? Like 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:01.880 that was kind of my first thought. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.319 I was, you know, I was mentally prepared for this 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.280 once the calendar page turned to August, but I was 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.800 not prepared for this at the end of July. So, uh, 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.200 you know, get us right off the top here. Congratulations 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.520 to Max Clark. I very much look forward to watching 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.199 Max Clark play major League baseball. I very much looking forward, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.000 look forward to talking with you about Max Clark and 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.280 what his potential is, and you know, all these things. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.319 So that all that will have plenty of time for 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:27.919 that space. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.760 But given the state of the team and given what 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.000 we expect to kind of go down over the next 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.360 couple of days, Cody. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.480 This did kind of feel odd. Is that is that? 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:41.880 Is that okay for me to say? 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:48.160 It felt odd because I. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.440 I don't know what you're trying to signal here? Is 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.400 it a distraction? These are the things that went through 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.480 my head, So I like, tell me where I'm off 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:53.960 base here? 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.000 Well, yeah, like you said, Kieren, first off, congrats to 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:02.200 Max Clark. Very talented player. You know, went through some 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.240 ups and downs this year, had a really killer July 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.080 to earn his way to this point. Over one thousand 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.600 ops in the month of July really turned it on 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.280 to the point he was knocking on the door. This 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.720 is still a little sooner than certainly I was expecting. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.800 I don't know that the tea leaves, what I had 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.359 heard from the team had ever quite hinted toward this, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.600 And so I'm kind of glad you're asking those questions, Kieran, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.320 because I was certainly asking them too, And I think 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.160 there were some people in the in the baseball world 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.560 talking about this today because the timing just feels a 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.400 little bit curious. Let's start. The Tigers, for the most part, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.920 have been a very process oriented organization, very focused on 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.760 every little aspect of asset management. And that's why I 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.920 had typically said this will probably happen after around August fifteenth, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.440 kind of the date that determines whether players can retain 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.040 their rookie eligibility. Why that matters goes back to like 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.200 the prospect promote incentive. So if Clark doesn't exhaust his 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.720 rookie eligibility, he can come back next year. If he 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.480 makes the big league roster one opening day, goes out, 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.680 has a great year, wins Rookie of the Year, you 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.120 get draft pick. It seems like the Tigers care about 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.200 little things like that for the most part, but I 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.080 guess they don't in this case. One reason I wonder, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.200 you know, there's a lot of uncertainty for what next 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.920 year will hold, even what next year's CBA would look like. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.640 The promotion incidentive has been a big success. I would 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.920 assume that's going to stick around. But I don't know. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.920 Maybe you don't play a full year, or maybe you 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.200 missed the season, or maybe you know that's one reason 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.520 you shouldn't get two in the weeds. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:38.800 Right. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.040 But I've heard from a couple other people today mentioning 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.200 that the uncertainty of next year could almost incentivize teams 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.440 to not call up prospects at all. You just added 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.600 Max Clark to the forty man roster, which means if 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.800 there's a lockout, that boy ain't playing anywhere, right, Whereas 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.360 if you don't, he could potentially still play in the minors, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.680 he could dive whatever. And now let's say you only 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.560 play two thirds of a season or something like that, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.480 I assume there will be pro rated service time. Max 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.160 Clerk gets all that pro rated service time. So we're 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.440 thinking way ahead here, right. I guess in some ways 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.840 you could applaud the Tigers for, hey, this kid looks ready, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.320 we're gonna call them up, right, even though we know 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.760 this organization doesn't always operate with things being quite that 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.159 black and white, you could interpret this as a signal 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.160 of hey there man, oh yeah, the Tigers really are 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.839 trying to win. They want to win so much they're 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.200 gonna call it Max Clark without any regard to service 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:40.160 time or prospect promotion incentive or whatever. You could also say, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.200 I don't know, man, is this just a straight pr move. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.720 They're about to trade Schooble, They're about to maybe tear 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.480 down the rest of the team. They're trying to soften 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.320 the blow by bringing up Max Clark. So I don't know. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.400 I mean, it just feels a little bit odd, and 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.440 I hate to say this. I'm not trying to take 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.920 the shine off. I'm pretty excited to watch Max Clark 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.040 play in the big leagues, and obviously he's a big 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.080 part of this team's future. You get a longer look 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.520 at him that can maybe inform how you go about 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.000 constructing next year's team. But with all this swirling like, 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:12.880 one of my first thoughts is, well, why not just 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.440 wait a couple more weeks? Or here's another thought. Right now, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.640 As of now, unless they have some other surprise moves coming, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.640 Max Clark is going to stroll up on to Sacramento 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.520 and James Outman is still in this roster. They're pretty 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.240 close to duplicate players, and with Hovey Bay is coming 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.120 and taking over a lot of time in center field. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.719 I was already I asked a J. Hinch about this 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.520 two days ago, like, what is Outman's role? And if 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.520 Outman's role is a late game defensive replacement, maybe every 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.200 now and then he plays, that's not very valuable. That's 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.599 pretty much a dead roster spot. I would assume the 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.599 presence of Max Clark means even less playing time for 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.000 James Outman, which is like, well, why is he here? 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.320 And if you're just doing this to win, why didn't 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.760 you swap Clark for Outman a few days ago? These 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.240 are the questions that go through my mind, and it 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.279 makes me wonder if the Tigers actually didn't have the 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.920 best process here, regardless of what their actual ambition is 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:06.760 from making this move. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.520 Yeah, you know, like one of the things that I 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.800 that I believe has kind of gone wrong for this 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.680 team is that timelines have not met up. Like you 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.520 have Parker Meadows occupying center field the majority of the time. 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.839 He gets hurt really early, presumably they would say too 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.479 early for Max Clark to kind of even be a 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.560 supplemental role on the major league team, right, And then 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.000 Wentzel Perez also gets hurt later in the year, and 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.840 and I obviously Hobby gets hurt early in the year. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.839 And like all these guys that would kind of be 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.520 like in his way, it never really seemed like they 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.120 were serious. And I have been on the record on 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:44.839 this show is saying is it never really seemed like 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.800 they were serious about kind of bringing them up, which 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.880 you know, okay, like this is a long term play 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.360 for Max Clark because you very much believe in his talent. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:59.480 That's fine with me, But that stuff, Cody doesn't necessarily 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:05.360 Matt what this move, you know, pending more information that 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.000 we could get, you know, would dictate right because you know, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.080 by the way, you still have Ben Maljerry on this 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.200 roster that could play some center field in a pinch, right, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.400 Like you know, like they're the list of people that 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.080 have kind of been ahead of Max is longer than 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.880 I think people realize unless you just start listening them 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.640 out and like to your point, the two weeks thing, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.280 what was that gonna bring? Like is that is that 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.880 is that gonna be worth it down the line? Hell 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.000 maybe you know, like maybe the CBA Brenders that irrelevant, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.160 who knows, But it just kind of feels a little 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:43.400 bit more of a out of character transaction than what 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.640 we're used to seeing from this team. Now, it should 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:50.920 be worth noting that Matt Vierling exited the game with a. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:53.600 Was it Groiner Hampster. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.520 And yeah, it's nothing official yet, but this since is like, 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:03.440 this is probably a corresponding move for vier Lane, we'll. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.760 See, yeah, and so then the so then the question 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.560 becomes what is best for Max Clark long term? 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.840 Is it to continue to hit at the. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.720 Top of the order, play center field in Toledo for 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.120 a couple of weeks or is it better for him 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.960 to Is he gonna play center? Is he gonna play 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.800 some ride? Is he gonna play some left? Is he 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.640 gonna you know, where is he gonna be in this 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.440 batting order? Probably not gonna be at the top, you know, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.840 what's best for him long term? 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.400 I would like to see more or hear more. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.200 From the team about why this was the best move 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.040 for him, and then how is it going to move 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.360 this team moving forward? Because, like you said, you could 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.840 have really done this anytime within the past two weeks, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.280 past two weeks, and the and the like development arc 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.960 would essentially be the same as bringing him up now, right, 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:54.720 So so yeah. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.840 It is a little puzzling. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.240 I think it could signal like, we're not gonna know 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:05.040 what this signals until basically Monday night. Does it signal 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.400 that it's a complete youth movement for the you know, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.640 latter half of the latter part of this season. Maybe 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.439 does it signal that we just need a spark and 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.040 we and we're and he's like our best available player, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.840 so we're gonna bring him up and we're still gonna 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.440 try to go for it. Maybe is it a signal that, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.920 you know, Max Clark was always under the understanding that 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.520 when if the team needed him and and and there 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.880 was something at stake, he would be part of that plan. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.520 Maybe we know we've seen them do this with players 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.120 in the past, where it's like they are part of 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.680 the team or whatever. So all that all that is 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.680 at play, and we'll probably have a better click sure, 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.760 a better picture of it come Monday night, just like 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.480 we will have a better picture of everything come Monday night. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.240 All right, real quick, Cody, before we get into some 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.840 trade uh discussions. I did want to you know, we're 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.920 recording this just after the news broke that Jake Rogers 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.080 was as a part of his DFA traded to the 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.800 Baltimore Orioles, who, as obviously everybody knows, had a couple 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.840 of injuries to the catcher position, and in return, the 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.800 Tigers got a twenty four year old right handed pitcher, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.960 Zane Barnhardt, who was assigned to double a eerie four 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.680 innings of work or excuse me, forty innings of work 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.080 this season four or five era. He's a reliever with 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.200 forty five strikeouts. So got an arm in exchange for 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.360 Jake Rogers, so that piece of this is no longer 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.520 hanging over the trade deadline and whether he could be 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.240 a part of some other package or whatever. So the 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.520 Jake Rodgers era officially moves over to Baltimore. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.400 Wish him all the best. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.160 Yeah, absolutely. I was hoping Jake could stay there in 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.440 Texas and play for his hometown Rangers. But they went 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.200 and got Logan o'hoppy, so they set their heights a 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:02.840 little bit higher. Hello, Jake Spurre defend of note. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.120 All right, Uh, moving on to trade deadline, staring down 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.720 the barrel of the trade deadline, and again, if you 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.720 guys want our immediate reaction to tark schoolbls presumed last 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:20.160 start in Detroit Ford Detroit. You can go listen to 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.880 our Thursday episode. I know we were released right around 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.520 the time as the Max Clark news, so it kind 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.280 of got swallowed up in that. But we talked with 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.360 Austin Jackson about it, kind of all the emotions you know, 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.320 of that day, and and now we kind of look 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:33.800 at it. We can look at it a little bit 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.000 more analytically. It seems like now everybody from the Jeff 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:42.800 Passons to the Ken Rosenthals of the world, like, do 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:47.040 believe that Tarrek Schoogle will be traded at the trade 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.200 deadline and maybe early in the trade deadline as teams 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.160 presumably want to get that move established one way or 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.640 another and then kind of pivot if they have to pivot, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.520 like they lose the Terek Schoogle Sweepstakes, not like at 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.599 deadline deadline. So Jeff Passon wrote something interesting, Cody. He 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.440 wrote about the Tigers. He said, you know, you know 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.040 they got all these pieces blah blah blah blah. Obviously 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.840 we all know this, but they played to the ten 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:16.960 percent tile of possible outcomes this year. And and and 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.080 I'm glad that he said that because I needed somebody 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.440 who's not in it every day, like even even like 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.560 people who are non biased can just kind of get 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.640 like sucked into seeing things every day and maybe not 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.319 having as clear a mind as someone with a thirty 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.400 thousand foot view. And so Jeff Passing putting that out there, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:41.240 I thought was an excellent point. And there is a 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.400 possibility that this ends up being a blessing for the Tigers. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.400 I know nobody really wants to hear that, but you 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.760 look at all the trades that have happened throughout, you know, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.760 the course of major League Baseball history, It's like, oh, 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:52.960 they traded that guy, and this guy ended up being 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.040 in return. He was a key piece of World Series run, 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.920 et cetera. So that's that's the burden that Scott Harris 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.360 has right now. The confidence level in Scott Harris right 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:06.079 now is low. He is not the most popular executive 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.600 in Detroit, in Major League Baseball right now. I did 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.280 want to make I have a thought bubble. See if 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.240 you want, if you want to pop it or if 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:21.360 you agree, is this inn can Is this like a 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.960 possible easy short term win for Scott Harris at the 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.520 trade deadline? Let me explain most of the time, like 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.720 almost every single trade that the Tigers make like this, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.040 you know, the next couple of days, specifically schoobl is 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:40.400 going to have high profile, popular, full of potential prospects, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.599 so everyone is immediately like, once you get over the 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.640 Schoobl sorrows, everyone's immediately going to look toward the shiny 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.480 new toys and they're gonna be at least excited about them. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.319 Because again, if the Tigers are going to get a 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.760 haul like everyone's predicting like this is going to be, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.679 this is gonna dull the pain a little bit and 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.200 for at least a couple months, you're gonna be able 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.200 to say, like, look, this didn't work out. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.240 We made the school move, but look what we got. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.199 Long term that's different, but short term it almost I 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.040 almost think it almost be hard to like f this 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.000 up because it's like this, like this is you have 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:21.600 the best trade chip in years, so like you're gonna 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.720 get top notch talent in return, at least in short term, 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.520 people should be at least excited about what you get. 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:29.240 Does that make sense? 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.960 But yeah, I mean trading for prospects is acquiring hope, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.960 and you can skirt by on hope. For a little bit. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.520 I got all of you through a few dark years. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.360 It was a little different. So he was tesked with 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.880 a full scale rebuild, right, but you were able to 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.640 sell that and sell that, and so you weren't anymore. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.920 And sometimes you're able to sell that and it comes 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.800 to fruition and everything is great. Yeah, I'm moving forward 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.480 with the belief that the Tigers are trading Derek Schougle. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.440 I think actually at this point the most interesting thing 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.520 is are they going to trade Casey Mize or Glaber 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:07.360 Torres or be injured Jack Flaherty, Because we've talked about it, 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.200 like are they gonna thread the needle? It's you know, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.080 they're still gonna try to win maybe, And I kind 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:13.880 of believe that. And I think you talked about they 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.120 played to their the bottom ten percentile of outcomes. That's true. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.840 Look at their run differential, look at a lot of 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.400 other advanced stats that suggest this should be a better 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.520 team than it is record wise, and maybe that's some 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.400 incentive to not just tear everything down. So then it's like, well, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.680 how what are you making these decisions based on? Torres 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.200 accepted the qualifying offer, so you can't give him another one. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.400 So if he leaves as a free agent, he leaves 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.280 for absolutely nothing. You got a young guy and how 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.000 you Lee who's come up and played pretty well. That 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.960 to me would indicate m he's probably trade glaber Torres. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.000 Myze is maybe the more interesting one. He's an important 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.040 part of your rotation, but he is eligible for a 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:59.040 qualifying offer. There's a chance that you could keep them 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.040 and be content with the Dragon pick. At the same time, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.360 Myz is probably one of the best five starters on 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.040 the trade market right now, and what's supposed to be 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.840 a seller's market. I believe you could get a top 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.800 one fifty type prospect for Casey Mize, how you lead 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.880 type maybe slightly even better type prospect for Casey Mize. 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.120 And so if you're going to stomach trading school, why 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.720 when you may be stomach trading Mize too. And that's 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.160 the thing. We haven't got a lot of information about 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.520 the Tigers outside Schooble still keeping a lot of stuff 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.880 on the extreme download right now. I expect we'll start 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.320 to hear more chatter, you know, in the next twenty 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.200 four forty eight hours. But I think that's kind of 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.320 still the big existential question in front of them, and 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:51.200 then if you trade Scooble, Mize Tores maybe others, can 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.840 you actually still sell the idea that, oh, hey, we're 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.760 trying to win, because really, if you do that, you're 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.000 it's not that you're trying to lose, but you are. Look, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.080 you're tearing down the roster and you're reshaping things, and hey, 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.320 maybe you can catch lightning in a bottle. Because I'm 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.040 not calling this Tiger season over. Still, this American League 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.240 is so bad even minus Schooble. If tree Melton keeps 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.440 throwing the way he is, you get a little more 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.080 out of from Rivaldez. Like no that I mean, I 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.359 don't think it's over, but I do think, especially especially 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.280 in the case of Schooble, the responsible thing to do. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.440 I think the writing is on the wall. You kind 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.040 of got to trade him and get what you can. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:30.159 Yeah. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.440 I have also come to that conclusion, which is why 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.040 I decided to come up with a few Trek Schooble 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:43.800 mock trades. So everybody does this exercise in their own way. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:45.440 And what I. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.639 Wanted to do Cody was I, as I said before, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.840 like the Tigers executives have to have these like kind 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.320 of boxes the check as to like what they're gonna 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.920 accept for Trek Schooble, and so my boxes the check 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.879 would be again, if it's gonna be and he's the 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.040 greatest like trade chip that you know, trade deadline time 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.800 in years or whatever, like I'm gonna go into it 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.760 with like high expectations. I believe Scott Harris is going 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:14.119 to go into it with high expectations. So I wanted 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:20.080 a top notch prospect, preferably, uh, preferably somebody who has 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.520 a hit tool that that you like, anticipate, liked pretty 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.440 easily could play right away. And then I also want 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.600 a young arm. Didn't necessarily have to be a major 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.560 league arm. I know that's what the scuttle bud is 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.200 about the Tigers, Like they want like a major league 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.600 arm right away. I get that, but I just I 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.600 just didn't want to go into into those waters. But 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.120 I did want an arm, and then I just want 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.280 I wanted some upside plays, like I think, I think 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.960 if you're gonna trade tech Schooble, I think you try 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.520 to talk about threading the needle. I think you thread 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.720 the needle about something that you have a pretty good 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.879 idea of what you're getting a wild card and then 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.800 a lottery ticket. It's kind of how I went into it. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.080 It's like cause like why not, why not, like have 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.720 a lottery ticket in this and you know, see what happens. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:13.040 So first one I'll do is the Milwaukee Brewers, who 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.040 have you know, your boy Pat Murphy has had a 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.320 phenomenal time over there in Milwaukee, and they just continued 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.399 to churn out wins and play like a fun brand 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.840 of baseball. Like I think I think a lot of 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:30.240 Tigers fans could stomach Trek Schoogle pitching for the Milwaukee Brewers. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:31.600 Maybe nothing team we'll talk. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.160 About next, but but I think that makes a lot 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.159 of sense. And they're also loaded, like as a farm system, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.560 they have a lot of fun pieces. So just to 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.360 get go through it, I'd have Luis Penya Andrew Fisher, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:50.520 Bishop Letson, and Diego Frontato. So Luis Penyasu is the 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.720 number two prospect in baseball according. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.879 To your colleague Keith Law. He is a shortstop. 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.639 You bet, He's a right handed shortstop and one of 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.639 those guys that a lot. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.280 Of teams seem to be really excited for. 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.800 And he is only nineteen years old and he's doing 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:10.840 pretty well at hi A right now, so it seems 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.639 like he's on a nice trajectory. I didn't want to 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:18.600 do the top prospect over there. Jesus moday looks like 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.879 Jesus made. Jesus made because I figure I feel like 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:26.120 he will be untouchable. But Luis Pana feels like that 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.520 one might be, that one might be had is, particularly 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.560 because he's not as close to the major leagues. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.639 Andrew Fisher is a corner infield. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.240 Prospect who is who left handed, who seems like you 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.960 can play third. They're playing him at first, seems like 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.600 the power is there. It seems like the thing that's 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.320 going to carry him to the major leagues, and then 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.240 you kind of figure it out from there. Bishop Letson, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.480 right handed pitcher, fastball, sinker, sweeper extension at seven and 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.800 a half feet Cody seems like that's something that the 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.199 Tigers brass would like to like to work with. And 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:04.320 then Diego Frontato shortstop born in two thousand and eight. 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.200 That's a lottery ticket. Just kind of see what happens. 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.639 One of the various international signings that the Brewers kind 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.720