Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
Speaker 1: the Bouel Territory Network, Detroit Tiger's podcast. I am curiocetctly
Speaker 1: with me as always as a man who was neither
Speaker 1: a billionaire nor a coastal elite. He is Cody Stavenagg.
Speaker 1: And how are we doing.
Speaker 2: Doing all right? Kieren? You know what? Both of those
Speaker 2: things are accurate. I can't dispute it.
Speaker 1: Well, we are recording this Thursday early evening and Thursday
Speaker 1: morning we got some big news in tiger Land, and
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the most appropriate place to start
Speaker 1: the long awaited but not as long as I think
Speaker 1: we would have thought. Twenty four hours ago, debut of
Speaker 1: Max Clark is upon us. Cody Emily Walden over at
Speaker 1: Baseball America, a long time Tiger's contributor to the media space,
Speaker 1: broke the news.
Speaker 3: You also confirmed it this morning. How about that? Like
Speaker 3: that was kind of my first thought.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was mentally prepared for this
Speaker 1: once the calendar page turned to August, but I was
Speaker 1: not prepared for this at the end of July. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, get us right off the top here. Congratulations
Speaker 1: to Max Clark. I very much look forward to watching
Speaker 1: Max Clark play major League baseball. I very much looking forward,
Speaker 1: look forward to talking with you about Max Clark and
Speaker 1: what his potential is, and you know, all these things.
Speaker 3: So that all that will have plenty of time for
Speaker 3: that space.
Speaker 1: But given the state of the team and given what
Speaker 1: we expect to kind of go down over the next
Speaker 1: couple of days, Cody.
Speaker 3: This did kind of feel odd. Is that is that?
Speaker 3: Is that okay for me to say?
Speaker 1: It felt odd because I.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're trying to signal here? Is
Speaker 3: it a distraction? These are the things that went through
Speaker 3: my head, So I like, tell me where I'm off
Speaker 3: base here?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like you said, Kieren, first off, congrats to
Speaker 2: Max Clark. Very talented player. You know, went through some
Speaker 2: ups and downs this year, had a really killer July
Speaker 2: to earn his way to this point. Over one thousand
Speaker 2: ops in the month of July really turned it on
Speaker 2: to the point he was knocking on the door. This
Speaker 2: is still a little sooner than certainly I was expecting.
Speaker 2: I don't know that the tea leaves, what I had
Speaker 2: heard from the team had ever quite hinted toward this,
Speaker 2: And so I'm kind of glad you're asking those questions, Kieran,
Speaker 2: because I was certainly asking them too, And I think
Speaker 2: there were some people in the in the baseball world
Speaker 2: talking about this today because the timing just feels a
Speaker 2: little bit curious. Let's start. The Tigers, for the most part,
Speaker 2: have been a very process oriented organization, very focused on
Speaker 2: every little aspect of asset management. And that's why I
Speaker 2: had typically said this will probably happen after around August fifteenth,
Speaker 2: kind of the date that determines whether players can retain
Speaker 2: their rookie eligibility. Why that matters goes back to like
Speaker 2: the prospect promote incentive. So if Clark doesn't exhaust his
Speaker 2: rookie eligibility, he can come back next year. If he
Speaker 2: makes the big league roster one opening day, goes out,
Speaker 2: has a great year, wins Rookie of the Year, you
Speaker 2: get draft pick. It seems like the Tigers care about
Speaker 2: little things like that for the most part, but I
Speaker 2: guess they don't in this case. One reason I wonder,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of uncertainty for what next
Speaker 2: year will hold, even what next year's CBA would look like.
Speaker 2: The promotion incidentive has been a big success. I would
Speaker 2: assume that's going to stick around. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't play a full year, or maybe you
Speaker 2: missed the season, or maybe you know that's one reason
Speaker 2: you shouldn't get two in the weeds.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But I've heard from a couple other people today mentioning
Speaker 2: that the uncertainty of next year could almost incentivize teams
Speaker 2: to not call up prospects at all. You just added
Speaker 2: Max Clark to the forty man roster, which means if
Speaker 2: there's a lockout, that boy ain't playing anywhere, right, Whereas
Speaker 2: if you don't, he could potentially still play in the minors,
Speaker 2: he could dive whatever. And now let's say you only
Speaker 2: play two thirds of a season or something like that,
Speaker 2: I assume there will be pro rated service time. Max
Speaker 2: Clerk gets all that pro rated service time. So we're
Speaker 2: thinking way ahead here, right. I guess in some ways
Speaker 2: you could applaud the Tigers for, hey, this kid looks ready,
Speaker 2: we're gonna call them up, right, even though we know
Speaker 2: this organization doesn't always operate with things being quite that
Speaker 2: black and white, you could interpret this as a signal
Speaker 2: of hey there man, oh yeah, the Tigers really are
Speaker 2: trying to win. They want to win so much they're
Speaker 2: gonna call it Max Clark without any regard to service
Speaker 2: time or prospect promotion incentive or whatever. You could also say,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, is this just a straight pr move.
Speaker 2: They're about to trade Schooble, They're about to maybe tear
Speaker 2: down the rest of the team. They're trying to soften
Speaker 2: the blow by bringing up Max Clark. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just feels a little bit odd, and
Speaker 2: I hate to say this. I'm not trying to take
Speaker 2: the shine off. I'm pretty excited to watch Max Clark
Speaker 2: play in the big leagues, and obviously he's a big
Speaker 2: part of this team's future. You get a longer look
Speaker 2: at him that can maybe inform how you go about
Speaker 2: constructing next year's team. But with all this swirling like,
Speaker 2: one of my first thoughts is, well, why not just
Speaker 2: wait a couple more weeks? Or here's another thought. Right now,
Speaker 2: As of now, unless they have some other surprise moves coming,
Speaker 2: Max Clark is going to stroll up on to Sacramento
Speaker 2: and James Outman is still in this roster. They're pretty
Speaker 2: close to duplicate players, and with Hovey Bay is coming
Speaker 2: and taking over a lot of time in center field.
Speaker 2: I was already I asked a J. Hinch about this
Speaker 2: two days ago, like, what is Outman's role? And if
Speaker 2: Outman's role is a late game defensive replacement, maybe every
Speaker 2: now and then he plays, that's not very valuable. That's
Speaker 2: pretty much a dead roster spot. I would assume the
Speaker 2: presence of Max Clark means even less playing time for
Speaker 2: James Outman, which is like, well, why is he here?
Speaker 2: And if you're just doing this to win, why didn't
Speaker 2: you swap Clark for Outman a few days ago? These
Speaker 2: are the questions that go through my mind, and it
Speaker 2: makes me wonder if the Tigers actually didn't have the
Speaker 2: best process here, regardless of what their actual ambition is
Speaker 2: from making this move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like one of the things that I
Speaker 1: that I believe has kind of gone wrong for this
Speaker 1: team is that timelines have not met up. Like you
Speaker 1: have Parker Meadows occupying center field the majority of the time.
Speaker 1: He gets hurt really early, presumably they would say too
Speaker 1: early for Max Clark to kind of even be a
Speaker 1: supplemental role on the major league team, right, And then
Speaker 1: Wentzel Perez also gets hurt later in the year, and
Speaker 1: and I obviously Hobby gets hurt early in the year.
Speaker 1: And like all these guys that would kind of be
Speaker 1: like in his way, it never really seemed like they
Speaker 1: were serious. And I have been on the record on
Speaker 1: this show is saying is it never really seemed like
Speaker 1: they were serious about kind of bringing them up, which
Speaker 1: you know, okay, like this is a long term play
Speaker 1: for Max Clark because you very much believe in his talent.
Speaker 1: That's fine with me, But that stuff, Cody doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: Matt what this move, you know, pending more information that
Speaker 1: we could get, you know, would dictate right because you know,
Speaker 1: by the way, you still have Ben Maljerry on this
Speaker 1: roster that could play some center field in a pinch, right,
Speaker 1: Like you know, like they're the list of people that
Speaker 1: have kind of been ahead of Max is longer than
Speaker 1: I think people realize unless you just start listening them
Speaker 1: out and like to your point, the two weeks thing,
Speaker 1: what was that gonna bring? Like is that is that
Speaker 1: is that gonna be worth it down the line? Hell
Speaker 1: maybe you know, like maybe the CBA Brenders that irrelevant,
Speaker 1: who knows, But it just kind of feels a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a out of character transaction than what
Speaker 1: we're used to seeing from this team. Now, it should
Speaker 1: be worth noting that Matt Vierling exited the game with a.
Speaker 3: Was it Groiner Hampster.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's nothing official yet, but this since is like,
Speaker 2: this is probably a corresponding move for vier Lane, we'll.
Speaker 1: See, yeah, and so then the so then the question
Speaker 1: becomes what is best for Max Clark long term?
Speaker 3: Is it to continue to hit at the.
Speaker 1: Top of the order, play center field in Toledo for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks or is it better for him
Speaker 1: to Is he gonna play center? Is he gonna play
Speaker 1: some ride? Is he gonna play some left? Is he
Speaker 1: gonna you know, where is he gonna be in this
Speaker 1: batting order? Probably not gonna be at the top, you know,
Speaker 1: what's best for him long term?
Speaker 3: I would like to see more or hear more.
Speaker 1: From the team about why this was the best move
Speaker 1: for him, and then how is it going to move
Speaker 1: this team moving forward? Because, like you said, you could
Speaker 1: have really done this anytime within the past two weeks,
Speaker 1: past two weeks, and the and the like development arc
Speaker 1: would essentially be the same as bringing him up now, right,
Speaker 1: So so yeah.
Speaker 3: It is a little puzzling.
Speaker 1: I think it could signal like, we're not gonna know
Speaker 1: what this signals until basically Monday night. Does it signal
Speaker 1: that it's a complete youth movement for the you know,
Speaker 1: latter half of the latter part of this season. Maybe
Speaker 1: does it signal that we just need a spark and
Speaker 1: we and we're and he's like our best available player,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna bring him up and we're still gonna
Speaker 1: try to go for it. Maybe is it a signal that,
Speaker 1: you know, Max Clark was always under the understanding that
Speaker 1: when if the team needed him and and and there
Speaker 1: was something at stake, he would be part of that plan.
Speaker 1: Maybe we know we've seen them do this with players
Speaker 1: in the past, where it's like they are part of
Speaker 1: the team or whatever. So all that all that is
Speaker 1: at play, and we'll probably have a better click sure,
Speaker 1: a better picture of it come Monday night, just like
Speaker 1: we will have a better picture of everything come Monday night.
Speaker 1: All right, real quick, Cody, before we get into some
Speaker 1: trade uh discussions. I did want to you know, we're
Speaker 1: recording this just after the news broke that Jake Rogers
Speaker 1: was as a part of his DFA traded to the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles, who, as obviously everybody knows, had a couple
Speaker 1: of injuries to the catcher position, and in return, the
Speaker 1: Tigers got a twenty four year old right handed pitcher,
Speaker 1: Zane Barnhardt, who was assigned to double a eerie four
Speaker 1: innings of work or excuse me, forty innings of work
Speaker 1: this season four or five era. He's a reliever with
Speaker 1: forty five strikeouts. So got an arm in exchange for
Speaker 1: Jake Rogers, so that piece of this is no longer
Speaker 1: hanging over the trade deadline and whether he could be
Speaker 1: a part of some other package or whatever. So the
Speaker 1: Jake Rodgers era officially moves over to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Wish him all the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I was hoping Jake could stay there in
Speaker 2: Texas and play for his hometown Rangers. But they went
Speaker 2: and got Logan o'hoppy, so they set their heights a
Speaker 2: little bit higher. Hello, Jake Spurre defend of note.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, moving on to trade deadline, staring down
Speaker 1: the barrel of the trade deadline, and again, if you
Speaker 1: guys want our immediate reaction to tark schoolbls presumed last
Speaker 1: start in Detroit Ford Detroit. You can go listen to
Speaker 1: our Thursday episode. I know we were released right around
Speaker 1: the time as the Max Clark news, so it kind
Speaker 1: of got swallowed up in that. But we talked with
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson about it, kind of all the emotions you know,
Speaker 1: of that day, and and now we kind of look
Speaker 1: at it. We can look at it a little bit
Speaker 1: more analytically. It seems like now everybody from the Jeff
Speaker 1: Passons to the Ken Rosenthals of the world, like, do
Speaker 1: believe that Tarrek Schoogle will be traded at the trade
Speaker 1: deadline and maybe early in the trade deadline as teams
Speaker 1: presumably want to get that move established one way or
Speaker 1: another and then kind of pivot if they have to pivot,
Speaker 1: like they lose the Terek Schoogle Sweepstakes, not like at
Speaker 1: deadline deadline. So Jeff Passon wrote something interesting, Cody. He
Speaker 1: wrote about the Tigers. He said, you know, you know
Speaker 1: they got all these pieces blah blah blah blah. Obviously
Speaker 1: we all know this, but they played to the ten
Speaker 1: percent tile of possible outcomes this year. And and and
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he said that because I needed somebody
Speaker 1: who's not in it every day, like even even like
Speaker 1: people who are non biased can just kind of get
Speaker 1: like sucked into seeing things every day and maybe not
Speaker 1: having as clear a mind as someone with a thirty
Speaker 1: thousand foot view. And so Jeff Passing putting that out there,
Speaker 1: I thought was an excellent point. And there is a
Speaker 1: possibility that this ends up being a blessing for the Tigers.
Speaker 1: I know nobody really wants to hear that, but you
Speaker 1: look at all the trades that have happened throughout, you know,
Speaker 1: the course of major League Baseball history, It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they traded that guy, and this guy ended up being
Speaker 1: in return. He was a key piece of World Series run,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So that's that's the burden that Scott Harris
Speaker 1: has right now. The confidence level in Scott Harris right
Speaker 1: now is low. He is not the most popular executive
Speaker 1: in Detroit, in Major League Baseball right now. I did
Speaker 1: want to make I have a thought bubble. See if
Speaker 1: you want, if you want to pop it or if
Speaker 1: you agree, is this inn can Is this like a
Speaker 1: possible easy short term win for Scott Harris at the
Speaker 1: trade deadline? Let me explain most of the time, like
Speaker 1: almost every single trade that the Tigers make like this,
Speaker 1: you know, the next couple of days, specifically schoobl is
Speaker 1: going to have high profile, popular, full of potential prospects,
Speaker 1: so everyone is immediately like, once you get over the
Speaker 1: Schoobl sorrows, everyone's immediately going to look toward the shiny
Speaker 1: new toys and they're gonna be at least excited about them.
Speaker 1: Because again, if the Tigers are going to get a
Speaker 1: haul like everyone's predicting like this is going to be,
Speaker 1: this is gonna dull the pain a little bit and
Speaker 1: for at least a couple months, you're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to say, like, look, this didn't work out.
Speaker 3: We made the school move, but look what we got.
Speaker 1: Long term that's different, but short term it almost I
Speaker 1: almost think it almost be hard to like f this
Speaker 1: up because it's like this, like this is you have
Speaker 1: the best trade chip in years, so like you're gonna
Speaker 1: get top notch talent in return, at least in short term,
Speaker 1: people should be at least excited about what you get.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean trading for prospects is acquiring hope,
Speaker 2: and you can skirt by on hope. For a little bit.
Speaker 2: I got all of you through a few dark years.
Speaker 2: It was a little different. So he was tesked with
Speaker 2: a full scale rebuild, right, but you were able to
Speaker 2: sell that and sell that, and so you weren't anymore.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you're able to sell that and it comes
Speaker 2: to fruition and everything is great. Yeah, I'm moving forward
Speaker 2: with the belief that the Tigers are trading Derek Schougle.
Speaker 2: I think actually at this point the most interesting thing
Speaker 2: is are they going to trade Casey Mize or Glaber
Speaker 2: Torres or be injured Jack Flaherty, Because we've talked about it,
Speaker 2: like are they gonna thread the needle? It's you know,
Speaker 2: they're still gonna try to win maybe, And I kind
Speaker 2: of believe that. And I think you talked about they
Speaker 2: played to their the bottom ten percentile of outcomes. That's true.
Speaker 2: Look at their run differential, look at a lot of
Speaker 2: other advanced stats that suggest this should be a better
Speaker 2: team than it is record wise, and maybe that's some
Speaker 2: incentive to not just tear everything down. So then it's like, well,
Speaker 2: how what are you making these decisions based on? Torres
Speaker 2: accepted the qualifying offer, so you can't give him another one.
Speaker 2: So if he leaves as a free agent, he leaves
Speaker 2: for absolutely nothing. You got a young guy and how
Speaker 2: you Lee who's come up and played pretty well. That
Speaker 2: to me would indicate m he's probably trade glaber Torres.
Speaker 2: Myze is maybe the more interesting one. He's an important
Speaker 2: part of your rotation, but he is eligible for a
Speaker 2: qualifying offer. There's a chance that you could keep them
Speaker 2: and be content with the Dragon pick. At the same time,
Speaker 2: Myz is probably one of the best five starters on
Speaker 2: the trade market right now, and what's supposed to be
Speaker 2: a seller's market. I believe you could get a top
Speaker 2: one fifty type prospect for Casey Mize, how you lead
Speaker 2: type maybe slightly even better type prospect for Casey Mize.
Speaker 2: And so if you're going to stomach trading school, why
Speaker 2: when you may be stomach trading Mize too. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing. We haven't got a lot of information about
Speaker 2: the Tigers outside Schooble still keeping a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: on the extreme download right now. I expect we'll start
Speaker 2: to hear more chatter, you know, in the next twenty
Speaker 2: four forty eight hours. But I think that's kind of
Speaker 2: still the big existential question in front of them, and
Speaker 2: then if you trade Scooble, Mize Tores maybe others, can
Speaker 2: you actually still sell the idea that, oh, hey, we're
Speaker 2: trying to win, because really, if you do that, you're
Speaker 2: it's not that you're trying to lose, but you are. Look,
Speaker 2: you're tearing down the roster and you're reshaping things, and hey,
Speaker 2: maybe you can catch lightning in a bottle. Because I'm
Speaker 2: not calling this Tiger season over. Still, this American League
Speaker 2: is so bad even minus Schooble. If tree Melton keeps
Speaker 2: throwing the way he is, you get a little more
Speaker 2: out of from Rivaldez. Like no that I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's over, but I do think, especially especially
Speaker 2: in the case of Schooble, the responsible thing to do.
Speaker 2: I think the writing is on the wall. You kind
Speaker 2: of got to trade him and get what you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have also come to that conclusion, which is why
Speaker 1: I decided to come up with a few Trek Schooble
Speaker 1: mock trades. So everybody does this exercise in their own way.
Speaker 3: And what I.
Speaker 1: Wanted to do Cody was I, as I said before,
Speaker 1: like the Tigers executives have to have these like kind
Speaker 1: of boxes the check as to like what they're gonna
Speaker 1: accept for Trek Schooble, and so my boxes the check
Speaker 1: would be again, if it's gonna be and he's the
Speaker 1: greatest like trade chip that you know, trade deadline time
Speaker 1: in years or whatever, like I'm gonna go into it
Speaker 1: with like high expectations. I believe Scott Harris is going
Speaker 1: to go into it with high expectations. So I wanted
Speaker 1: a top notch prospect, preferably, uh, preferably somebody who has
Speaker 1: a hit tool that that you like, anticipate, liked pretty
Speaker 1: easily could play right away. And then I also want
Speaker 1: a young arm. Didn't necessarily have to be a major
Speaker 1: league arm. I know that's what the scuttle bud is
Speaker 1: about the Tigers, Like they want like a major league
Speaker 1: arm right away. I get that, but I just I
Speaker 1: just didn't want to go into into those waters. But
Speaker 1: I did want an arm, and then I just want
Speaker 1: I wanted some upside plays, like I think, I think
Speaker 1: if you're gonna trade tech Schooble, I think you try
Speaker 1: to talk about threading the needle. I think you thread
Speaker 1: the needle about something that you have a pretty good
Speaker 1: idea of what you're getting a wild card and then
Speaker 1: a lottery ticket. It's kind of how I went into it.
Speaker 1: It's like cause like why not, why not, like have
Speaker 1: a lottery ticket in this and you know, see what happens.
Speaker 1: So first one I'll do is the Milwaukee Brewers, who
Speaker 1: have you know, your boy Pat Murphy has had a
Speaker 1: phenomenal time over there in Milwaukee, and they just continued
Speaker 1: to churn out wins and play like a fun brand
Speaker 1: of baseball. Like I think I think a lot of
Speaker 1: Tigers fans could stomach Trek Schoogle pitching for the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 3: Maybe nothing team we'll talk.
Speaker 1: About next, but but I think that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. And they're also loaded, like as a farm system,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of fun pieces. So just to
Speaker 1: get go through it, I'd have Luis Penya Andrew Fisher,
Speaker 1: Bishop Letson, and Diego Frontato. So Luis Penyasu is the
Speaker 1: number two prospect in baseball according.
Speaker 3: To your colleague Keith Law. He is a shortstop.
Speaker 1: You bet, He's a right handed shortstop and one of
Speaker 1: those guys that a lot.
Speaker 3: Of teams seem to be really excited for.
Speaker 1: And he is only nineteen years old and he's doing
Speaker 1: pretty well at hi A right now, so it seems
Speaker 1: like he's on a nice trajectory. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do the top prospect over there. Jesus moday looks like
Speaker 1: Jesus made. Jesus made because I figure I feel like
Speaker 1: he will be untouchable. But Luis Pana feels like that
Speaker 1: one might be, that one might be had is, particularly
Speaker 1: because he's not as close to the major leagues.
Speaker 3: Andrew Fisher is a corner infield.
Speaker 1: Prospect who is who left handed, who seems like you
Speaker 1: can play third. They're playing him at first, seems like
Speaker 1: the power is there. It seems like the thing that's
Speaker 1: going to carry him to the major leagues, and then
Speaker 1: you kind of figure it out from there. Bishop Letson,
Speaker 1: right handed pitcher, fastball, sinker, sweeper extension at seven and
Speaker 1: a half feet Cody seems like that's something that the
Speaker 1: Tigers brass would like to like to work with. And
Speaker 1: then Diego Frontato shortstop born in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: That's a lottery ticket. Just kind of see what happens.
Speaker 1: One of the various international signings that the Brewers kind
Speaker 1: of made their money on, and just kind of, like
Speaker 1: I said, seventeen years old, see what happens and make
Speaker 1: that like the long term asset from the school trade.
Speaker 1: So elite young infield prospect that would be Penya corner
Speaker 1: prospect with pop potential that would be Forsher young system
Speaker 1: arm with tools to manage that would be Letson. And
Speaker 1: then the lottery ticket that would be from Tato. So
Speaker 1: that thought process. Cody, how do you feel about that
Speaker 1: thought process and approaching a Milwaukee Brewer's trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the overall value that would be
Speaker 2: going back to the Tigers, I think you're in the
Speaker 2: right ballpark. It's not you're not really shooting for the
Speaker 2: moon there, but you're getting a pretty strong return. I
Speaker 2: think that feels realistic to me. Now, sure seems like
Speaker 2: the Tigers are going to want some pitching, some major
Speaker 2: league ready pitching. Logan Hinderson as a guy with the Brewers,
Speaker 2: that's kind of most commonly thrown out there, and to me,
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense, especially if they're going to
Speaker 2: do the thread the needle thing. You just need someone
Speaker 2: to be able to fill spots in the rotation. Painia,
Speaker 2: You know, this is a guy that's often mocked to
Speaker 2: the Tigers, right because He's not Aesus made, but he's
Speaker 2: still an intriguing talent. It's also a little bit of
Speaker 2: a polarizing prospect. There's a little bit of swinging myss there.
Speaker 2: I believe struggled against off speed at times. I think
Speaker 2: it's really going to depend on the Tigers valuation of him.
Speaker 2: Luis Laura is a guy in their farm system. I
Speaker 2: would almost have circled maybe before Paynia. He's a shorter guy,
Speaker 2: but he's an outfielder, which you could argue maybe fits
Speaker 2: Detroit's needs a little more. They already kind of have
Speaker 2: a lot of infield prospects when you think Jordan Yost,
Speaker 2: Bryce Rayner, even Max Anderson, which brings me to Andrew Fisher, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know power at can't really feel We've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys around here. I'm kind of
Speaker 2: ready to get away from that profile. So I would
Speaker 2: be looking to target at least one of the outfielders
Speaker 2: in the Brewers system Luis Laura or josh Adam Shesky
Speaker 2: if I said that anywhere close to right. But we're
Speaker 2: kind of splitting hairs right when you go over these
Speaker 2: mock trades and who's you know, who's really the guy
Speaker 2: in each farm system in terms of you know what
Speaker 2: fans should expect, though, I think you got close to
Speaker 2: the right level a value.
Speaker 1: All right, Well let's go to the vaunted I I said, Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers old soul over here. Los Angeles Dodgers
Speaker 1: the bane of the general baseball fans existence if you
Speaker 1: believe Twitter.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Hell they they have the high payrolls, but they also
Speaker 1: have one hell of a farm system, Cody. So if
Speaker 1: you do want to trade with the Dodgers, like there's
Speaker 1: a play throw of options and you talk about needs
Speaker 1: kind of matching up. There's some teams I didn't go
Speaker 1: to because their farm system it needs just doesn't really
Speaker 1: match up with what they have, doesn't really match up.
Speaker 3: With the Tigers. Dodgers is the opposite. Like everything kind
Speaker 3: of aligns pretty well.
Speaker 1: So there's there's three prospects that you know, grab everybody's
Speaker 1: attention that would be a host, Suay Depaula and Mike Serota,
Speaker 1: and I went with the third.
Speaker 3: I went with Zaire.
Speaker 1: Hope as my leading prospect on this on this list,
Speaker 1: he is Keith Law's twenty six ranked prospect. A left
Speaker 1: handed hitting and left handed fielding outfielder not really gonna
Speaker 1: be in center field. I like maybe in a pinch,
Speaker 1: but they doesn't really project that way. The arm plays
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 3: Bit better.
Speaker 1: Than some people think. And here's something that I like.
Speaker 1: He has cut his wift rate and his strikeout rate
Speaker 1: year over a year.
Speaker 3: He is twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: So this is a guy that like, it's like the
Speaker 1: numbers aren't gonna be sexy when you just look at,
Speaker 1: you know, the baseball card numbers with the walks and
Speaker 1: the and the strikeouts. But it's an improvement that he's
Speaker 1: made a year over year. And he also has twenty
Speaker 1: one home runs this season, which his previous high was thirteen.
Speaker 1: So this is a guy who's come into his body
Speaker 1: a little bit. I've seen I've seen some people say
Speaker 1: it looks like a running back, you know, So like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a athletic profile there.
Speaker 3: That is intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't seem like he would get in anybody's
Speaker 1: way that you you know that you've mentioned. Or as
Speaker 1: the Tigers as sent here for a pitcher, I went
Speaker 1: with River Ryan, the forty one rank prospect on Keith
Speaker 1: Law's board. He is upper nineties fastball slider. People like
Speaker 1: his accuracy. He is MLB ready, he is already in
Speaker 1: the Major League Baseball, but he has injury concerns, so
Speaker 1: that would be why, like he might be available for
Speaker 1: a Schooble type. And then this is the most fun
Speaker 1: one I put down, Kendall George. I I I would
Speaker 1: love to see the Tigers get Kendall George. So this
Speaker 1: is like, this isn't a lottery ticket. It's twenty one
Speaker 1: years old. He's a left handed hitting, left handed throwing outfielder.
Speaker 1: The dude might be the fastest guy in professional baseball.
Speaker 1: That's what people are saying. And so like, hey, how
Speaker 1: about we just get somebody that we know exactly how
Speaker 1: he could help us win games?
Speaker 3: You know, you put him in the game.
Speaker 1: He's got he's got good numbers, better numbers than you think,
Speaker 1: but with no power he has. I don't think he
Speaker 1: has a home run yet this year. But he does
Speaker 1: hit the ball well, he does get on base. He's
Speaker 1: kind of like the Willie Mays Hayes thing. Just hit
Speaker 1: the ball on the ground and beat it out. And
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a fun that's a fun asset
Speaker 1: to have in your farm system. So to kind of summarize,
Speaker 1: you have an upside near major league outfield bat, you
Speaker 1: have a major league ready pitcher, and then an asset
Speaker 1: of an outfielder that you know can help you win
Speaker 1: games moving forward. So that's my Dodgers. That's my Dodgers package.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this trade package. I really liked Zayer Hope.
Speaker 2: I also like Mike Serota. I'd be happy with either
Speaker 2: one of them. River Ryan, you know, yeah, he's been hurt,
Speaker 2: but this guy's pretty good even though he's twenty seven.
Speaker 2: I think he's an arm the Tigers would love to have.
Speaker 2: And then really any other throw in you can get
Speaker 2: from their system is probably going to be a quick
Speaker 2: quality players. They're one of those reminders that not all
Speaker 2: farm system rankings are created equal. They're fourteenth best prospect
Speaker 2: is probably better than a lot of teams fourth best prospect.
Speaker 2: I do wonder the Dodgers are maybe the one team
Speaker 2: right they kind of hold the trump card, I think
Speaker 2: with how good their system is, with how much high
Speaker 2: end talent is available both in their system and they're
Speaker 2: pitching staff. Even guys who are already at the major
Speaker 2: league level could you get even more from the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Could you get a Saroda and a Hope and one
Speaker 2: of the arms? Could you? I don't think you're going
Speaker 2: to really depalla, but you know, could you? If the
Speaker 2: Dodgers really want to get this done, and if they
Speaker 2: want to make it easy, these things usually aren't easy.
Speaker 2: If they want to make it easy, it could be
Speaker 2: that way if there were a team to go above
Speaker 2: and beyond, even though the Dodgers still don't like losing trades,
Speaker 2: but if there were a team that wanted to go
Speaker 2: above and beyond to get Trek Scooble in pursuit of
Speaker 2: a third straight World Series title, it would be the
Speaker 2: La Dodgers. That's one reason. As you know, some people
Speaker 2: are saying this trade could happen the next twenty four
Speaker 2: or forty eight hours. I don't. One reason I still
Speaker 2: think it could go down to the wire now that
Speaker 2: I said that will probably happen like before this episode publishes.
Speaker 2: One reason I still think it could go down to
Speaker 2: the wire is it might be I could see Scott
Speaker 2: Harris trying to hold out for just a little more
Speaker 2: value from the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Speaker 1: If there's an offer that includes Hope and Serota. That like,
Speaker 1: you send that into the league office before they change
Speaker 1: their mind, because Soota is like, honestly, like one of
Speaker 1: the more complete prospects in baseball. Uh. He's got like
Speaker 1: a near a near even split with his walk to
Speaker 1: strikeout ratio, and he could play center field. He is
Speaker 1: a right hander, you know, if that matters. He's still
Speaker 1: coming into his body even though he's twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: That's part of the reason why I went with Hope
Speaker 1: because I figured the Dodgers would want.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, they're not going to trade Seroda. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know that bad do you want?
Speaker 3: How bad do you want? Schooble? Oh?
Speaker 1: That that brings us to our next uh trade team
Speaker 1: that's the Tampa Bay Rays, And really like that this
Speaker 1: like their strengths don't really align with the Tigers needs.
Speaker 1: So really this is a Theo Gillen discussion, and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: can Theo Gillen and anything else, like name it, anything
Speaker 1: else work? And if the answer is no, then we
Speaker 1: just don't really have that much to talk about. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to put him on there because Theo Gillen,
Speaker 1: he's twenty years old, he's already in Double A and
Speaker 1: he's crushing like also a Texas kid like I would
Speaker 1: be a static if you could get THEO Gillan in
Speaker 1: your system, but I doubt that. It doesn't seem very
Speaker 1: Tampa bay E to get a rental pitcher for a
Speaker 1: top outfield prospect.
Speaker 3: But how bad do you want Derek Scoogle? You know
Speaker 3: what I mean? So that would that would be the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, can we have THEO?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, click? I mean that that would kind of be
Speaker 3: the extent of my negotiations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right here. And I think the Rays they
Speaker 2: have a really good system too, but the topping guys
Speaker 2: maybe don't quite align with the Tigers as well as
Speaker 2: the Brewers or the Dodgers. You know, when they might
Speaker 2: have seen their catcher Cayden Bodine, who's a really good player,
Speaker 2: and then's well, how bad he's a switch hitting catcher.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's Scott Harri Scott love that. But
Speaker 2: how bad did the Tigers need a catcher? Dylton Dingler
Speaker 2: is still very early in his career, is going to
Speaker 2: be around a while. You have Valencia, you have Loronzo,
Speaker 2: you have Bersanio. I'm not sure any of those guys
Speaker 2: are great, gonna be great defensively, but if you can
Speaker 2: get one of them to hit a little bit and
Speaker 2: be serviceable, then you may not have a lot of
Speaker 2: catching needs for a while to come. Now, Bodine is
Speaker 2: a really good pitch framer. He's a better defender than
Speaker 2: any of those guys. But it is a little bit
Speaker 2: of a question, like to the Tigers view, that is enough.
Speaker 3: Of a need.
Speaker 2: Now you can go down in this system though, And
Speaker 2: there's some names you know who are pretty interesting, especially
Speaker 2: for those who follow the draft Slater, de Bruyn, Aiden Smith,
Speaker 2: Xavier Isaac. It just makes you wonder a little bit
Speaker 2: of like how much the Tigers could actually get here
Speaker 2: from the Rays. But it's a little bit, I think
Speaker 2: gonna depend more on their evaluation of certain guys. There's
Speaker 2: not one dude in their system other than maybe Gillen,
Speaker 2: which is like probably the guy they don't want to trade,
Speaker 2: uh to go get Trek Scoogle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he's not on any prospect lists yet
Speaker 1: because he just got drafted. But it's like do you
Speaker 1: like Grady Anderson, Like do you put the like? He
Speaker 1: was number two overall, So we're asked for anything, like,
Speaker 1: we can't do that.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can do that?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you yeah, you're right, you probably can't.
Speaker 2: Rule. Is the Incavilia rule still a thing? He used
Speaker 2: to be a thing at least.
Speaker 1: I don't or any rules irrelevant? You just like it's
Speaker 1: like a pinky promise when the CBA changes. Uh. So
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a my bat on. But even still,
Speaker 1: like the point remains like he doesn't necessarily fill a
Speaker 1: need in your uh you know, in terms of positionally
Speaker 1: in your farm system.
Speaker 2: For the rule was was rescinded a while back. Actually,
Speaker 2: so you should not be able to trade a draft
Speaker 2: pick until a year after they were signed. I could
Speaker 2: need a rules expert to tell me what the exact
Speaker 2: rule is now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, only for it to change in a couple months.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's go to the Atlanta Braves. And again,
Speaker 1: how bad do you want Trek's Schooble. I went more
Speaker 1: pitcher heavy on this package Cody than others, so you
Speaker 1: have a major league arm that they probably don't want
Speaker 1: to give up on. But again, how bad do you
Speaker 1: want Terrek Schooble and d D Didier Fuentes who is
Speaker 1: killing it this year. In thirty seven games, he's got
Speaker 1: a one point four war He is twenty one years old,
Speaker 1: right hander. He's kind of their main middle guy. You know,
Speaker 1: a couple saves or he's got one save on the season.
Speaker 1: Some people are pushing for him to be a starter,
Speaker 1: but it seems like they're kind of comfortable in that
Speaker 1: position for now. I doubt that is somebody they'd be
Speaker 1: wanting to give.
Speaker 3: Up, but you never know.
Speaker 1: And then Blake Burkhalter is a rising right hander in
Speaker 1: their system, somebody that it. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: converted and he's basically been a reliever since college. But
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they try to start him, but it
Speaker 1: seems like he's kind of fit into his little role
Speaker 1: that's going to be moving forward. And then Eric Hartman,
Speaker 1: who is a left handed hitting outfielder, could be a
Speaker 1: center fielder, could be a right fielder.
Speaker 3: In High A.
Speaker 1: Cody, he's only twenty years old. He just turned twenty
Speaker 1: years old. He's got twenty four homers in High A. So, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's off to a really nice start. I
Speaker 1: believe he's Canadian if my notes are correct. He's off
Speaker 1: to a really fast start in his professional career. So
Speaker 1: you have major league pitcher reliever, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: on the rise, and then Eric Hartman, low minor leagues
Speaker 1: but high soon to be high rising hitting prospect.
Speaker 3: That's what I have for the Atlanta Breaks.
Speaker 2: So quick note from the producers. Drafted players are eligible
Speaker 2: to become traded after the World Series of the year
Speaker 2: in which they were drafted. Okay, so glad we've got
Speaker 2: that cleared up.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: There we go. I like fwintess in the Braves offer
Speaker 2: for sure. Seems like the type of arm Tigers should like.
Speaker 2: Struck out fifty five guys and forty five major league
Speaker 2: innings this year. Hartman one of the best guys in
Speaker 2: their system. Interesting that you throw in the Burdhulter arm.
Speaker 2: That's a little bit of a twist, and hey, I
Speaker 2: don't hate it. I wonder if that's enough. Is that
Speaker 2: enough to get Trek scougle. I think it depends on
Speaker 2: how good you think Hartman is. And he's a speedy guy,
Speaker 2: which which the Tigers should should like that profile.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you asked that question because that's that
Speaker 1: that's what makes this exercise like fun and exhausting at
Speaker 1: the same time, is that like you you obviously believe
Speaker 1: in the value of the asset that you're trading, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to get you know, just be like
Speaker 1: kind of the Homer and it's like, oh, you should
Speaker 1: give up x y Z, ABC one two three, but
Speaker 1: you don't so and or would be fair? Do you know,
Speaker 1: ask for enough in these mock trades or whatever. So
Speaker 1: that that's the challenge. I'll tell you what I think.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna make like a little you know, a
Speaker 1: little prediction corner here, the Brewers make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense to me. The Dodgers make a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of sense to me. And uh and I and I
Speaker 1: just think it it's a it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a mesh point has nothing to do with like, oh
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, but yeah, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: The Dodgers have the best assets potentially that they could
Speaker 1: give the Tigers for Terek Schoolble services and guys that
Speaker 1: could end up being impact players for years at positions
Speaker 1: of need, that have skills that the Tigers desperately desperately
Speaker 1: need long term, because you know, they still the Tigers
Speaker 1: still kind of operate with the starting the importance of
Speaker 1: starting pitching, and the importance of power hitting, and these
Speaker 1: guys and there they have certainly prospects that you know,
Speaker 1: fit that mold, and and and again it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you don't want want to give up that guy, Well
Speaker 1: about this guy? Tell you negotiate, you kind of figure
Speaker 1: out where their allegiances are, and then you say, well,
Speaker 1: what about this?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And the Dodgers have all the names lined up to
Speaker 1: be able to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going through this exercise kind of has solidified that.
Speaker 2: Even in my mind, it's easy to see why there's
Speaker 2: so much chatter about Dodgers or Brewers. They just seem
Speaker 2: a little better, a little deeper. They seem to align
Speaker 2: with the Tigers' needs a little more than some of
Speaker 2: these other teams, although there has been a lot of
Speaker 2: talk about the Braves too. And then you circle that
Speaker 2: all back by being like, well, one reason I don't
Speaker 2: really do mock trades very often is we just don't know, right.
Speaker 2: And the Tigers know every one of these organizations deeply
Speaker 2: and intimately, and they have guys they like more than
Speaker 2: the rankings that we're mostly looking at. Right now, and
Speaker 2: they have guys they like a lot less than the
Speaker 2: rankings right now. So it's possible the Tigers think the
Speaker 2: Braves are a better fit, or it's possible that Tigers
Speaker 2: really want some guy from you know, some team where
Speaker 2: we're not even thinking of right now, the Cubs who
Speaker 2: were supposedly interested in them. So u's that's one reason
Speaker 2: these things are always hard, but it is still informed
Speaker 2: to kind of go through the exercise. You know what,
Speaker 2: if you guys have any more mock trades for Scooble
Speaker 2: or others, send them my way. I may or may
Speaker 2: not do something in print coming up. Don't spend too
Speaker 2: much time on it because it's kind of gon pend
Speaker 2: on how busy the weekend ends up being.
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you what.
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Speaker 3: And let's just see what the weekend. This is going
Speaker 3: to be a week o'd.
Speaker 1: To remember, Cody, because we're gonna see Max Clark and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a trade deadline that's gonna impact this
Speaker 1: organization for potentially the next eight to fifteen years. So
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a weekend to remember, and I
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Speaker 1: for Cody Stapenhagen, I'm Kern Steckley. Everybody, have a great day.