1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I'll never told you protection of iHeartRadio. And today we 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: were talking about something that is very timely. And also 4 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: I'm about to go on vacation, so we're recording a 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: lot ahead of time, so by the time you hear this, 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: things could have changed a lot. So the day as 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: we're recording, this is July eighteenth, twenty twenty three, and 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: it's like normally we don't record our Monday minies this 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: early anyways, right, Yeah, but I wanted to talk about it. 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: We are talking about kind of what's going down in 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: Hollywood with the strikes, but also some awards announcements and stuff. 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk about this when the writers 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: strike first happened, but at the time I couldn't find anything. 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of information out about it yet, 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: but now there is. Now there's a lot more. So 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about both the writers' strike and 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: the actors' strike. So also you can see our past 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: episode that we did on women in unions and why 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: is a feminist issue? Why so many women are involved 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: in unions? But okay, so for the first time since 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, both the Writers Guild of America the WGA, 22 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: and the Screen Actors Guild and American Federation of Television 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: and Radio Artist were psych AFTRA are on strike at 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: the same time. And for a fun fact, Ronald Reagan 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 1: was president of SAG in nineteen sixty when this was happening. 26 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: I saw that. I'm like, why does that go against 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: everything I know about Reagan? Maybe because I don't think 28 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: of him as an actor anymore and just the one 29 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: of the worst presidents in the world. Yes, I know 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: that's an opinion, I must stick to it. 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Yes, But also he was such a conservative, it doesn't 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: seem like he would be into unions. 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: I will say, I feel like the union and the 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: labels of unions changed since the old days. Like not 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: that it wasn't I guess liberal or like for thinking 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: at that point in time a more socialist, but it 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: was more like because it was the working class people 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: who were really into unions before it was all busted up, 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: and I feel like that was kind of was it 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: prout of that air for the whole big bad like 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: literally people were dying level of union busting. 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is definitely a whole thing so look into 43 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: that if you haven't already. So as of this point, 44 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: the writers have been on strike four weeks since May second, 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. In case you're listening to this in 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: a different year, because I kept getting stuffed from two 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, which I remember that strike very well. 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: Reality shows were birthed essentially. 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm going to talk about that in a second, 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: but yes, so with things like streaming and AI, entertainment 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: is in a real place of flex and turmoil and 52 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: change right now. Oh and this has brought almost all 53 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: production to a halt. But there are things that are 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: non struck, I will say that, and you can look 55 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: up on those of their respective websites. What is nonstruck 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: which is voted on by the union or agreed to 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: upon by the union. So just be careful before you're like, oh, 58 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: you're breaking those strike. Some things are not struck. But 59 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: these strikes were overwhelmingly authorized by their members by like 60 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: ninety seven percent like around there, and both unions have 61 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: similar demands, many around tech and compensation. As I said, 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: I did want to include this quote from Box about 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: the SAG strike specifically to be clear, a strike doesn't 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: mean people can't act at all. It means they cannot 65 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: perform work for struck companies, which is to say members 66 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: of the AMPTP like Disney and Netflix, unless specific concessions 67 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: are made. They can't promote work for struck companies either. Yes, 68 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: their publicists are reportedly panicking. Major studios, for incidents, have 69 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: been dropping out of Comic con rather than have a 70 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: poor showing with a few actors who might cross the 71 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: picket line. You likely wouldn't see actors promoting new movies 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: like Barbie or Oppenheimer, or walking the red carpet at 73 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: film festivals. WGA members have already stayed away, and of 74 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: course they won't be on set. So I wanted to 75 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: talk about this, as I said right after the writers 76 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: went on strike, but I really struggle to find anything 77 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: that was like giving me details about how it specifically 78 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: impacts women or marginalized people, even though to me, to 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: us this is getting equal compensation. Fair compensation is an 80 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: intersectional feminist issue no matter what. But we do have 81 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: more info now, and I wanted to start with some 82 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: things because I have worked in I have worked in 83 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: acting and with writing as well, so I have some 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: personal experiences with this one thing I would say, a 85 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: lot of people have this miscon exception that actors and 86 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: writers to a lesser extent are rich or they get 87 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: paid a lot, which is not true. I have worked 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: on projects where I literally didn't get paid anything, which 89 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: was not a SAG. That's illegal if it was a 90 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: SAG project. But I have worked on projects that didn't 91 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: get anything, like literally anything. A lot of times they'll 92 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: promise you you'll get the footage for your real and you 93 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: never even get that. And because of the way streaming works, 94 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: the industry has just changed so much. So you used 95 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: to be able to if you've got a job on 96 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: a TV show, that meant like twenty twenty five episodes 97 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: that you were getting paid for, and so that was 98 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: a decent amount of time, whereas now it streaming, it's 99 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: like ten episodes. Sometimes it doesn't even like you put 100 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: in this work and it never airs, so you can't 101 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: put it on your your resume. But that means that 102 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: you like, there's a lot more time in between jobs, 103 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: so you're having to make a check last for a 104 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: very a long time, and you might not even get 105 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: it for months months, and sometimes you have to contact 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: the person and be like, hey, have you forgotten to 107 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: pay me? And they'll be like, oh yeah, like you're 108 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: the one responsible for making sure you're getting paid. This 109 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: is just like I'm speaking from the heart right now, 110 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: but I know I'm not the only one. And then 111 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: you had these comments coming from these big CEOs, one 112 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: of them from Disney's Bob Iiger, which reminded me of 113 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing we talked about with Scarlett Johansson, where 114 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Disney was like, shame on her for like it's a 115 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: pandemic and she's asking for money, how greedy? When it's like. 116 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: No, yeah, And actually I watched a video with them 117 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: like praising her, Like y'all want to forget that when 118 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: she did this, you were trying they were trying to 119 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: blame her as if she was a greedy money longer, 120 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: but as a truth of it all was knowing that 121 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: the way streaming works, people are getting less than since 122 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: for streaming and that they just it's all going pocketed 123 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: to the CEO who makes millions, if not billions, And 124 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: y'all want to play And now you see it now, 125 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: now you're hearing it from other people outside just Scarlett Johanson, 126 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: And now you've learned. 127 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Okay, right right, But they did that too, where he 128 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: said I'm pretty sure Bob Iger was the one that said, 129 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: like it's a shame, like, yes, people are going to 130 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: suffer financially for this, like they're they're only putting people 131 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: through worse conditions, and like, hmm, really. 132 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: I think they also said that they love it. 133 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: This is they love. 134 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: This right well, they love food too, right well. 135 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: That frustrates me so much with industries like this where 136 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: it's so competitive, is that it's like you must be 137 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: so grateful to be there, like you're lucky to be here. 138 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: Anyone else will take your job. People do want to 139 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: be there, They love what they do. They want to 140 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: tell these stories, but they can't tell them if they 141 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: can't I have a place to live, if they can't 142 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: afford to feat themselves or their family. Which is a 143 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: big thing we're going to talk about in a second. 144 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: So here's a quote from Time, which is a quote 145 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: from the SAG after President fran Dresher. We are being 146 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: victimized by a very greedy entity. I am shocked by 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: the way people that we have been in business with 148 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: are treating us. I cannot believe it. Quite frankly, how 149 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: far apart we are on so many things. How they 150 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: plead poverty, that they're losing money left and right while 151 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: giving hundreds of millions of dollars to their CEOs. It 152 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: is disgusting. Shame on them. They stand on the wrong 153 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: side of history at this moment. And then here's a 154 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: quote from Box. Average pay for a top Hollywood executive 155 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: was twenty eight million dollars in twenty twenty one, a 156 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: hike of fifty three percent from twenty eighteen. Disney CEO 157 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: Bob Iger, who called the actors demands not realistic, on 158 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: TV on the morning the strike was called, recently signed 159 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: a contract to run the company through twenty twenty six. 160 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: It makes about twenty seven million dollars a year. 161 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: You had a thought, after the don't say gay stuff, 162 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: I think he would have learned to keep his mouth 163 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: shut at this You keep stepping in it, especially when 164 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: it comes to your employees. Shut up, man, what are 165 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: you doing? Right? 166 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: And it's just like so out of touch, So much 167 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: of it feels so out of touch and removed, like 168 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: he has no idea, what like people who don't make 169 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: millions of dollars. 170 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: Again, like he's gonna have to come back out where 171 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: like I was being insensitive, right, I think he's going 172 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: to affect you for real. I do have to ask, 173 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: did you know did you see the clip about from 174 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: The Nanny with friend Dresher, which she's she's somewhat problematic, 175 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: she's had a lot of issues, But did you see 176 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: that clip it? So there's a clip in The Nanny 177 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: where they are going to an event but the bus 178 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: boys and the servers were all on strike and she 179 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: comes out and you know her character. Have you ever 180 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: seen The Nanny now? 181 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: But I know what you're talking about. I know what 182 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about. 183 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: Though I watched this. This is one part of my 184 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: children's programming with my parents. I didn't actually watch this, 185 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: but they come out and she's like, oh, no, I 186 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: can't go in there, and the and the rich dude 187 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: was like, oh, you're embarrassing me. We have to go in. 188 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: She's like, no, I made three rules and one of 189 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: them was that I would never cross the picket line. 190 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh wow, So of course that's resurfaced, 191 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: and everybody's like saying, she's true to that because she 192 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: was one of the writers. Towards the end I believe 193 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: of the nanny mm hmm. So it well it felt 194 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: right on targets. I'm like, ah, look at her, I 195 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: look at her. Although technically I guess the SAG was 196 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 2: late to the game. 197 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: They already did. But you know, yeah, well a lot 198 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: of actors, like big name actors, are pressing like we 199 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: need to go on strike, we need to go and strike. 200 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: They were already at the picket line. I'm sure I'm 201 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: probably at me speaking, I'm guessing she was one of 202 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: the ones I was supporting w GAE to begin with. 203 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: But like, yeah, well I know Grena Garwig is a 204 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: big conversation right now because yes, she was a director, 205 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: but also she was a writer of it. So doing 206 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: all of the promotionals with people are like, was that 207 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: not scabbing? 208 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's complicated, especially because I know the director 209 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: is skilled. Is they've recently signed their contract, like there's one, Yes, 210 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: they're fine. But going back to that point you made 211 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: about the reality shows, so I knew, like even without 212 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: i'd heard rumors that TAG was gonna go on a strike, 213 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: and even without like getting the notice, I knew because 214 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I am still an actor in Georgia, 215 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: and george is a right to work state, which means 216 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: that you can't like not give someone a job if 217 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: they're not in a union. To get into SAG, you 218 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: have to have three SAG eligible projects, which can be 219 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: complicated in a right to work state. I only have two, 220 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: so I'm not even SAG eligible, which makes I mean, 221 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: you don't because so many people want to be an actor, 222 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Like can't just be somebody who's like never acted, being 223 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: like right in here. But it is complicated in the 224 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: state like Georgia. I mean, it's competitive and complicated everywhere, 225 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: but in Georgia because it's the right work state. But 226 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: I knew the strike could happen because immediately I was 227 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: getting all these casting notices because I'm not on the union, 228 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: and also so many reality show notices, Like I had 229 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: to turn off my notifications. 230 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: It was ridiculous, really, so I was thinking, like, are 231 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: they going to bring them back? Reality shows which are 232 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: already in existence and probably gonna hit another all time highways. 233 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: Netflix has already jumped on board with that, but I 234 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: also wondered about, like, because Korean dramas and Asian dramas 235 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: are big. However, Netflix does have a contract with Studio Dragon, 236 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: which is one of the big studios in Korea. So 237 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: I wondered how that will affect because there was also 238 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: that conversation because on TikTok people are having a field 239 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 2: day on conversations of content creators and where they need 240 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: to stand and about scabbing and crossing the line, what 241 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 2: that looks like, and a lot of the content creators 242 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: want to be in the industry, and you're like, don't 243 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: do this because there's a strict rule and a notice 244 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: sent out by the president Fred Dresser, and then some 245 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: saying if you cross that line, you will never get 246 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: into SAG. Like that was very affirmative, like don't do this. 247 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: If you are someone who was non union and you 248 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: get contact by one of those companies that are struck 249 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: and you do it, you're gone. But all that to say, like, 250 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: there's all this conversation, and then there was an European woman, 251 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: I believe, I don't know where she was, but she 252 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: wasn't from the States, coming and promoting the Hunted mansion 253 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: and the carbo was empty, no one was there, so 254 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: I was very obvious this is during the strike. She 255 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: was bragging about being there, so excited. 256 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: And everybody's like, way to go, it's been three hours. 257 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: And you cross that line, and her trying to explain 258 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: but I'm not from the States, and they're like, yeah, 259 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: and you'll never work in the US now, Like if 260 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: you wanted to be a worker in the US with 261 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: prominent movies, you'll never be able to do so from 262 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: now on. I thought, wow, that is interesting. How does 263 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: that work internationally for things like this? 264 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: I believe SAG is international, especially in Europe. I thought 265 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: they were. 266 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: So it would cross over not just in the US, 267 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: Like would the strike happen in Europe because they have 268 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: different contracts? 269 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: Oh then yeah, that might be. That might be different. 270 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that's like, you can go to 271 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: their website. They have FAQ's, they have like you can 272 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: email them if you have questions, because it can be 273 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: complicated in terms of what is struck and what is not. 274 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: They have a pretty clear, like one sheet you can 275 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: look at right now. But I don't know. I will say, 276 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: there's another thing that I saw that they were asking for, 277 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: which is less reliance on having to do self tapes, 278 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: which you've helped me with for auditions. So this is 279 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: basically where you either at your home or there's companies 280 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: that do it. You film your own audition, and the 281 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: problem with that is a lot of times you have 282 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: to pay for it, whether you go to a company 283 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: and they do it for you, or you do it 284 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: at home, because then you might need equipment or you 285 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: might need something. Because the joke is, and I don't 286 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: think it's a joke, but within two to three seconds, 287 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: the casting director's decided whether they're going to hire you 288 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: or not, especially if they don't know if you're not 289 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: a big time actor, so I it's like immediately your 290 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: sound quality is not good, then they just you're out. 291 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: So that's essentially having to pay to maybe have a 292 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: job you probably won't get. So that is one thing 293 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: that I noticed. I was like, oh, yeah, uh huh. 294 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: Here's a quote from Box. There's also one actor specific 295 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: demand that Guild wants to put limits on the use 296 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: of self tape auditions, where an actor performs a scene 297 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: on their own time and sends a video of it 298 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: to producers, which they call a massive, daily uncompensated burden 299 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: on the lives of performers. And it's true, you could 300 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: get a casting notice and it's due in an hour 301 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: and you have to pay for it, and it's like 302 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: that doesn't give you any time to prepare. It's just 303 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: not good. It's not good for everybody, and it'll sudden 304 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: like your whole day is around this, like I have 305 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: to do this now. If you don't turn in an audition, 306 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: you can get penalized for that as well. Another thing 307 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: residual checks very sad. There's a whole bar in La. 308 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still there, but it's like 309 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: they pay you. It's you come in with your residual 310 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: check and if it's like seven cents, which sometimes it is, 311 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: then they like they put that somehow involved in your drink. 312 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: They like take it off or something, or maybe you 313 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: get a free drink if it's under a certain price. 314 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: If anybody remembers let me know. 315 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: Surely be free. That's just me seven cents. Yeah, because 316 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: of the higher you get, they'll less you would get. 317 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: Right right now, I think it's a if it's under 318 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: a certain amount, it's a free drink and you show 319 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: your check. But yeah, it's like really really again, you 320 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: don't people think, especially with actors, because people think once 321 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: you make it as an actor, sure, but for most 322 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: working actors. There's a reason why the running like understanding 323 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: of them is that they have a job as a waiter. Also, 324 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: so your checks are also really inconsistent when they arrive, 325 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: so you can't plan around it. 326 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: Well, did you see the comment. I'm sure there's been 327 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: articles about The Orange the New Black actress who was 328 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 2: in more than like forty episodes maybe maybe around like 329 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: it was definitely like thirty or more episodes of all 330 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: the episodes, and this is kind of did launch streaming 331 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: like new The Oranges and the New Black really began 332 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: a whole thing. She made like seventy two cents in 333 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: one year for her entire war, Like it was like 334 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: what and she was she was in there constantly with 335 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: speaking lines and she still made that little yeah yeah. 336 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: So I think that's a big, really big misconception, especially 337 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: for things like that, where you know, we've talked about 338 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: this before, but when streaming was new, you didn't know 339 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: to ask, like, you didn't know how it looked like. 340 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: And that's who was getting the problem exactly. And as 341 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: I said earlier, because of streaming, making one check that 342 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: has to last you for maybe two years because you 343 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: don't know when you're going to get your next project, 344 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: because that's just how streaming works. And then as I 345 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: mentioned too, there's been a lot of discussion around the 346 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: impact on single parents, often who are women who can't 347 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: not have a steady income, like they just can't and 348 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: so that's forcing people out. Pregnancyed discrimination. Also, a lot 349 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: of people talked about like they felt like they didn't 350 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: get a job because they were pregnant. And as I said, 351 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: I would argue that securing fair conversation is at heart 352 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist issue. There are other things on top 353 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: of that that definitely elevate it. All of these conditions 354 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: are worse for women, for people of color, for queer people. 355 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: Here's a quote, women, women of color and LGBTQ plus 356 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: people have the least access to writing jobs, and the 357 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: financial procarity of the work could mean that they have 358 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: to leave the industry altogether. And here's another one. Up 359 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: until now, the share of underrepresented writers has been growing 360 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: in the industry. Women make up about forty five percent 361 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: of all TV series writers, people of color make up 362 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: about thirty seven percent, women of color twenty one percent, 363 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: and LGBTQ plus people are nearly twelve percent. According to 364 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: the Writers Guild of America's twenty twenty two Equity and 365 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: Inclusion Report, but there is still ample room for improvement. 366 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: Writers with disabilities are only about two percent of TV 367 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: series writers, and women and people of color are underrepresented 368 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: as a share of the population. According to the WGA, 369 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: the share of writers working at minimum pay is up 370 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: from thirty three percent a decade ago to nearly half today, 371 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: as the medium pay for writer producers has fallen by 372 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: twenty three percent when adjusted for inflation. Yeah, so it's 373 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: getting worse like that, there's more representation, but the pay 374 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: is worse, which is still There's also been a lot 375 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: to talk about many rooms. You've probably heard of this, 376 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: but this came up a lot with streaming. This is 377 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: where a bunch of people get in the small room 378 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: and try to work on a project that maybe you 379 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: will go nowhere, and so that's like your time wasted 380 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: and maybe it we'll go somewhere, but you'll never get 381 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: any credit for it. And this because of more women, 382 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: more people of color, more queer people, all of that 383 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: are in the industry, but because of these mini rooms, 384 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: they're not getting the same connections that they would, which 385 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: means you're just not going to get as far because 386 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: it is a big connection based industry. So that's been 387 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: churning up a lot of discussion around nepotism, generational wealth, 388 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: and it's just sort of a self fulfilling cycle and yeah, 389 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: that idea that you should be so grateful that you 390 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: even got this chance, or like stop complaining. Here's a 391 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: quote from Gene Wong, co chair of the WGA's Committee 392 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: of Women Writers. The studios have been profitable every year, 393 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: but writer wages have gone down every year, and the 394 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: pay for women and especially women of color, are still 395 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: the lowest. On top of that, making writing a sustainable 396 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: career is paramount for women who still face sexism and 397 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: agism the most as mothers and are still forced out 398 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: of the workplace, and that all impacts genuine representation the 399 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: stories that are getting told from WMCE. Lower level writers 400 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: also report resistance with respect to storytelling on controversial topics 401 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: like abortion, according to researchers at the University of California 402 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: at San Francisco. So that's what's going on with the strikes, 403 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll have more to say. Well, update, 404 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do a quick rundown on something 405 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: that happened at the Emmys, which will be rescheduled if 406 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: strikes are ongoing. They're already talking about rescheduling it, so 407 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: as you know, I was ect I did. The Last 408 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: of Us got twenty four Emmy nominations, but it caused 409 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: some conversation about the gendering of categories and the fact 410 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: that there's no non binary category because Bella Ramsey, who 411 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: plays Ellie and The Last of Us recently revealed their 412 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: gender fluid identity and expressed their hope for the Emmys 413 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: to be more exclusive with gender neutral nominations and categories, 414 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: and describe the process for submitting as uncomfortable. This is 415 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: not the first time someone spoken out about it. Some 416 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: non binary people opt out to be nominated at all 417 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: because of this. Here's someone's reaction on Twitter after the 418 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: nomination was announced Best Actress for an openly non binary 419 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: person who wore a binder of the entire filming ha 420 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: ha ha ha. Sick and showrunner Craig Mason told Variety quote, 421 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: on the one hand, the conversation about gender has transformed 422 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: dramatically and in a very progressive and positive way. On 423 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: the other, we have to practically make sure that by 424 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: moving away from gendered categories. We don't shortchange tradition overlooked folks, 425 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: and we know that in non gendered categories like directing 426 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: and writing, women have been historically underappreciated. I don't know 427 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: the answer, but I have every expectation that non binary 428 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: performers will soon be recognized in the respectful and appropriate 429 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: way they deserve. And so Kaleider had a whole article 430 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: about this. Here's a quote. Mason noted the fact that 431 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: the prizes without gender segregation, especially directing awards, are won 432 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: disproportionately by men. No woman won the Best Directing prize 433 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: in the oscars first eighty years, only three to one 434 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: in the fifteen years since. On the other hand, they said, 435 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: the Grammys did away with the gender distinction and Vocal 436 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: Awards over a decade ago, to so little fanfare it's 437 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: been all but forgotten. The TV Critics Association Awards have 438 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: always been genderless. The ANTV Movie Awards dropped at gendered 439 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: acting awards back in twenty seventeen. Two of the biggest 440 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: awards shows for independent films, the Spirit Awards and the 441 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Gotham Awards, have both dropped their gendered categories in recent 442 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: years to find that women are more represented in these 443 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: categories than men. So there's a lot of proposed solutions 444 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: ways to do this better that Collider outlried. If you 445 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: want to look it up, it is really really interesting. 446 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: I will also say this goes back to what we were 447 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: talking about of you know this many percent of directing 448 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: awards are men. Then it's also a problem of who's 449 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: getting those directing jobs for what projects? 450 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: Anyway, And I wonder how much chest to do with money, Like, 451 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: because you to we've hard all the money that's being 452 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: spent to be in a category. 453 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: So yes, that is true. And here's another quote from 454 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: Collider that kind of relates to that. If award shows 455 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: one is to grant four discrete acting awards, they can 456 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: there's no reason these four must be gendered. Getting out 457 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: an award each year to a breakout actor is an 458 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: option the Spirit Awards implemented in their first gender free 459 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: acting year. That award went to Stephanie Zue for her 460 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: role in Everything, Everywhere, All at Once. Screen acting awards 461 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: can take a page from SAG and grant awards for 462 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: ensemble performances. Other solutions to a gender dilemma in awards 463 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: include expanding genre based awards beyond drama and comedy. Anything 464 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: dealing with genres can be sticky. See the White Load 465 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: is classified by the Emmys as a drama and The 466 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: Bear as a comedy, for example, and genre trends are fickle. 467 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: I often think this. Sometimes I'll see like awards and 468 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: it's in comedy, and I'm like, really. 469 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: I also think it's funny when it's comedy and a musical. 470 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, right, yeah, it wasn't. 471 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: Nope, like in comedy musical. There was one where I 472 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know about that. 473 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, that was a full on like 474 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 2: Lala land. Yeah, that's a drama right, Like I'm like, how. 475 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: It is it? Okay? Cool? Yeah? No, I've long been 476 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: confused by that. So there has been movement about it, 477 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: and this has sparked conversation about it. So we'll see 478 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: what happens. But in the meantime, that's kind of our rap. 479 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't mean to make myself lap on 480 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: what's going on. That was really intentional. I'm kind of embarrassed. 481 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: But if anyone I know, we have some people we 482 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: know we work with who are at the picket line 483 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: with their signs. 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