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Speaker 1: welcome back to Coast to Coast. Two guests Roya. First

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Speaker 1: who is here now and very active working together with Matreya.

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Speaker 1: And he has his faith just outside Rome, and he

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Speaker 1: They're real, realistic people. For example, they were behind that

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Speaker 1: lex Anonymous. For example. The Masters are behind the women's movement.

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Speaker 1: The development of the women's movement. Matreya helped and inspired

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Speaker 1: the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa, helping the

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Speaker 1: whole process of removal of Apartheit from from that SYS interesting.

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Speaker 1: So the Masters are real, They're practical. They serve humanity

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day and work in the most practical,

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