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Please keep in mind 18 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: and all of my guests are anonymous. So let's begin 19 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: this week's story. So, I'm very excited about this week's episode. Um, 20 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: I feel like there's been a lot of conversations, conversations 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: about the sex work industry and a lot of negative 22 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: connes connotation associated with him. So I have my guest 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: today and she's gonna share some positivities and more insight 24 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: on this particular topic. So what is a sex worker? So, 25 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: sex worker is a Unbrella term that is used UM 26 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: and that basically means that people who are engaging in 27 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: the transactional relationship with somebody, can can for sexual favors 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: and services, can be considered to be a sex worker. UM. 29 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: So not everybody in the sex industry does considers themselves 30 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: to be a sex worker, so it really is just 31 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: a case by case person Okay, So I know that 32 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: there is a lot of different categories under the umbrella 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: of being a sex worker. Yes, so some of those 34 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: UM categories can be things like UM, full service sex worker, 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: escort m b d S M shipping, or less power 36 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: webcaming UM prostitution. Prostitution is a legal term that most 37 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: people do not use. So prostitution is like one of 38 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: those legal terms, like legally it's prostitution, but you'll hear 39 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: you'll rarely hear somebody in the sex industries call themselves 40 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: a prostitute. Oh learns, I'm podcast. Why do you think 41 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: there are so much like negative content around this industry? 42 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: Um M I the best reason I've come up so 43 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: far with is that UM America seems to have values 44 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: and morals or thinks least UM. And so especially when 45 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: you talk about like people of color engaging in this industry, 46 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: is often negative UM just because of stigma. UM. They 47 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: equate like sexuality with value UM. Some states Uh, it's 48 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: perfectly read. States UM seem to think that like if 49 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: you lose your virginity or have sex a lot you, 50 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: it's like pulling off a piece of tape and it 51 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: loses its stickiness, which is not at all true. That's 52 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: not how your works. UM. So I think there's just 53 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: a lot of negative connotation because of the person you are, UM, 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: who is doing it, who is benefiting from it. UM. 55 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of racially motivated UM misinformation. And I 56 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: also think because it's so criminalized, people can't share their experiences, 57 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: whether it's survival UM work. So they're doing it for 58 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: a place to stay, money to have food to eat, 59 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: or they're doing it because this is a career choice 60 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: that they have made. UM, I think that because it's 61 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: so criminalized that it really limits people's ability to share 62 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: their narratives. So you either see the really glamorous side 63 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: of sex work or you see the really horrible like 64 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: human trafficking, people not being able to make their own 65 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: choices side. You don't ever really be between like a 66 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: means a survival at that. UM. One thing that we 67 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: spoke about previously is, I know there's a different categories 68 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: within this industry. Why is it that some certain categories 69 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: look down other categories. So if I'm an escort, why 70 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: would I look down on the strip of We're kind 71 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: of doing the same thing in a sense. UM, I 72 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: looked like a lot of animosity. Yeah, parts of it 73 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: is U stigma. They feel like I'm not that girl, 74 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm not having sex with people, They're just seeing my body. 75 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of stigma around that. There's 76 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: a lot of UM pride and be being not that 77 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: girl or not that person because not only women, are 78 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: not only people who will present as women participate in 79 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: the sex industry. UM. I think it's also about criminalization. Uh. 80 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: The more you get into the criminalized side of sex industry, UM, 81 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: the less you know willing People who are doing quote 82 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: unquote legal forms of sex work are willing to associate 83 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: with that. So if you're a stripper, um, your club 84 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: may or may not allow extras or whatever. Um. So 85 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: it really just depends on like how far away you 86 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: want to stay from criminalization. So UM, it's it's like 87 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: a hierarchy, right, yeah, yeah, Yo, that's the word. I heard. 88 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: Ye what it is, yeah, which is so funny with me. 89 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, why are we doing the same thing? Um. 90 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: The hierarchy also encompasses people who there's so any job 91 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: you work, ever, no matter what you are in the 92 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: scale of exploitation um. And the sex industry is no different. 93 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: The more crealist you are, the more resources you have, 94 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: the more ability you have to make choice. Um. And 95 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: so with that being said, just like any other job, 96 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: there's things that can influence your choice. Um. And so 97 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: I think that people equate safeness with privilege, and that's 98 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily true. Um. And they also have this thing 99 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: of like of this moral high ground because of how 100 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: privileged they can be within the industry. Um. But at 101 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, everybody engages in the transactional relationship, 102 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: whether in the sex industry or not. Marriage is no different. UM. 103 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: Working for an employer is no different. You are there 104 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: because they are paying you. You are there because they're 105 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: giving you something you want need, um, And that is 106 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: a transactional relationship no matter how you cut it. One 107 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: of the misconceptions you want to clear up about that 108 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: about the industry because I felt like lately, so I 109 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: did an episode I think it was like episode eight 110 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: UM with my guests, and she's a transgender and she 111 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: was telling me how a lot of women or trans 112 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: women are sex worker because it means a survival. So me, 113 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: just being who I am, I was just diving into 114 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: this topic. And actually, you know, I started realizing like 115 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: every every week or maybe twice a week, a black 116 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: trans woman was being is being killed. And I feel 117 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: like people don't understand. Like one of the reasons why 118 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: I was I learned about the whole communities because people 119 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: don't Transgender women don't do it because they feel like 120 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: they want to do it's more of a need if 121 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: they have to do it because it's a means of 122 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: survival because they can't get a regular job. And then 123 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, with the insurance and everything else, So what 124 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: does the misconception you want to clear up. So as 125 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: far as like the whole of sex, there's a lot 126 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: of reasons why people into the sex industry, um and 127 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: as far as it goes for like trans folks and 128 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: people in that community, there is a lot of stigma. 129 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of violence that comes with working traditional jobs, 130 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: and so going into the sex industry is a means 131 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: of survival. But also what people fail to realize is 132 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: that regardless of the sex industry or not the foremost 133 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: sex industry and not, people have been doing sex sex 134 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: work from the beginning of time and um, having when 135 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: we have such strong feelings and opinions about people's sexual 136 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: identities and people sexual um relationships and attractions and orientations, 137 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: that puts trans people at more risk because they're not 138 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: able to be people who engage with trans folks are 139 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: not able to be who they want to be in 140 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: life without being criticized, without being looked upon. And so 141 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: I feel like that also has a conversation to deal with, 142 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: like why we can't just set people for people who 143 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: they want to date and be in a relationship what 144 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: they want to be a relationship with. So I think 145 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: that's part of it. And also the understanding that trans 146 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: folks are the opposite gender and they're just playing the 147 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: role like no trans people. If you're a trans woman, 148 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: you're a woman. If you're a transman, you're a transman. 149 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: And if you are non binary, you're non binary. And 150 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm not in your position. 151 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm not in your mind, I'm not in your body 152 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: to tell you who you can't speak on what you exactly, 153 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: So I think that's that also plays into like the 154 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: unsafeness of thinking that trans folks are some kind of 155 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: sub content of human where they don't need the same 156 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: protections and rights that anybody else do. Um So I 157 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: think that the people we have to treat everybody with 158 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: respect regardless of what they want to do. Is nobody's business, 159 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: right because at think of the day, I'm not judgment 160 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: mine can't tell them where they're going to go after 161 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: they leave here, So that's that's part of it. And 162 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: I think that as I don't even know where I'm 163 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: going to go right the I think the part of 164 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: the sex industry is that there is somebody for everybody, 165 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: and I think that this is the one industry where 166 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: you can truly be Um, you can truly become whoever 167 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: you want to become in that industry. UM. So there's 168 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: like there's up you know, upside staff like, you know, 169 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: being able to express yourself wherever you want to be 170 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: and truly be that person to make your money. But 171 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: also the downside of that is that when trans folks 172 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: get killed, um, and when black women get killed in 173 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: this process, cops to me like they asked for it. 174 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: They put themselves in the positions to occupational hazard. And 175 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I don't think that if 176 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm a sex worker, I should just automatically 177 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: be written off like I deserve to die like that 178 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: those those two things are not there, should not be equated. 179 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: So I think that part of that is just like 180 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: coming to the concept that everybody engages in sex work 181 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: for the most part, if you're married, if you like, 182 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: you're not in sex work, but you're engaging in transactional relationship. 183 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: And also you have to get over this factor that 184 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: America has morals because it don't. So once you get 185 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: over that, really, so I know before we did this 186 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: UM interview, I was like, lit me find out which 187 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm really you feeling, because I wanted to make sure 188 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: I ask all the right questions. So you tell me 189 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: that you were a full service sex worker, So what 190 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: does that mean? So being a full separate service sex worker, 191 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: I engaged in gf E, which is girlfriend experience. I 192 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: have somebody's girlfriend. I showed up like your girlfriend. So 193 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: I showed up in sweats and the timetop. I showed 194 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: up in regular degular clothes. Okay, I don't know what 195 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: sex workers kind of show up in people's door with. 196 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: I should hope that they got to show up in 197 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: regular secular clothes. I really don't know. I don't do 198 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: the whole lingerie because I've had one experience where I 199 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: bought like nice longer for this one client. He tried 200 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: to pop it off. Excuse me, sir, No, So yeah, no, 201 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: so we we just we dashed away all that. UM. 202 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: But basically there's so when you're escort, you offer different services. Mhm, 203 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: you can um. And for me, I pretty much did 204 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: everything as long as it was covered, as long as 205 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: we were using protection because I don't play with that 206 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: a sex nothing. UM. And then also that's a point 207 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: of privilege for me because there's some people who are 208 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: in survival in sex work who can't necessarily make that choice. Um, 209 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: So I don't look down on anybody who don't use protection. 210 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: Before me that was a must um. And then for 211 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: the most PRIE offered every services except I don't do 212 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: like the settish side. So there's like a fetish side. 213 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: I don't really do the whole pin or nobody. I 214 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: don't do the be making mad money if there they do, 215 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: but I personally it's there's a lot of I don't 216 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: even like my ship. I don't think I can do 217 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: somebody else ship. I've been asked to do a lot 218 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: of strange things for money. Um, some of them that 219 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: I've entertained the idea of doing. Like so there's people 220 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: who buy your underwear but that you have to wear them. 221 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: I heard about. Yeah, somebody said, if you've been like 222 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: working out whatever, they want you to send your underwear 223 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: as is and they have pay money. Yes, so I've 224 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: had that. I've had people who had foot fetishes who 225 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: would touch my toes and do will say the ship 226 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: to my toes. I'm not with that, but whatever, Because 227 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: when you are doing fetish you have to be dead serious. 228 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: You can't do the whole laughing joking, No, you have 229 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: to be dead serious. So yeah, and the whole book 230 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: industry is like booming. Yeah. I play entirely too much 231 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: for that. So you know, it's just certain things that 232 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: I just know that it's probably gonna hurt my clients feelings, 233 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: so I just don't see. Um. But I've been approached 234 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: by a lot of different propositions before, and it depends 235 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: on it my willingness and how much you willing to pay. 236 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, so full service kind of like in compass. 237 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: You kind of do everything a girlfriend would normally do. 238 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: Sometimes that include dates, sometimes that don't include dates. You 239 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: just wanna fuck. So it's either way, it doesn't bother me. 240 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: So what's something that you did that you thought you 241 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: weren't gonna do but the money was right and you 242 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: did it. Um? Nothing really, I mean, I've never really 243 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: been asked for like outliers, just stuff as far as 244 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: sex stuff goes. But I've had like really intense conversations 245 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: with clients who are like, I want you to be 246 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: like my real life girlfriend, and I'm like, you do 247 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: not want me, as I promise you, I will ruin 248 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: your life. Please don't now, haven't run your bank account, 249 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: like ruin your ban account, ruin your life. Please don't 250 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: don't do it to yourself, sir, don't wear you're a 251 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: sex worker. Um. So I started doing sex worker was 252 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: about fourteen mm um, and I've done it for a while. 253 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: Um how long were you doing it? Oh yep, so 254 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: probably like I would say, seven, Does that make sense? 255 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: Like yeah, like six or seven years? So how would 256 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: you introduce to it? Um? So I had babies when 257 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: I was really young. Um, and dudes will always be 258 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: in my face like once again trying like trying to 259 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: entice me to ruin their life. And so being that 260 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: I've already had this kind of independent mindset like I 261 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: had children to take care of and things to do. 262 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: You wasn't fitning said, my face was free, So there's 263 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: no point of us having this like court in process. 264 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: We're really all you want to do is fun me. 265 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: So if that's the case, you don't really want to 266 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: suck me, I don't really want to have sex with you, 267 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: but I'll have sex with you if you fending give 268 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: me something in return, so you know, it kind of 269 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: was just it was like almost like a label moment, 270 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: like if you want to be in my face and 271 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: what you got, and if you don't got, then you 272 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: need to just keep it pushing because there's no point 273 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: in doing the formalities when you really all you want sex, 274 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: right so right like that really at the end of 275 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: the day, that's what you want. There's no reason to 276 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: do all the extra I don't want a relationship. I 277 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: don't want to be with you. You clearly don't want 278 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: to be with me, So let's just skip all that. 279 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: What you got to offer, which you come to the 280 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: table with, um, so what were they even because for 281 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: you to be fortein like I can only imagine that 282 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: she was probably exposed to like something has to expose 283 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: you to it, like there's something it happened for you 284 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: to get into this industry or for you to even 285 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: start thinking like that, not at all. I just was 286 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: in my mindset of like I have people to take 287 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: care of and that requires money, and y'all's in my 288 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: face playing games. So that's the case, Like I'm doing 289 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: these little internships for seven dollars eight thousand hour and 290 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: y'all sitting in my face playing and from from like 291 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: a state where people really try to flex, like they 292 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: really be like, oh I got bred I got money, Okay, 293 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: you got money bad? So like you got money. Though, 294 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: it's like when they're trying to like it's always due 295 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: that trying to flex me, Like I got a car, Okay, 296 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: you got a car, so you're gonna take me somewhere 297 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: like you like if I call you, are you going? 298 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: You know? So it was really going those things of 299 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: like when they try to mind fuck you, I mind 300 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: sucked them right back. And I didn't know that there 301 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: was like a community of people who did this. I 302 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: didn't know it was a whole industry. I didn't know 303 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: there was people who like actually engaged in this way 304 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: until I was older and in college. So it was 305 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: just like, you know, you're really trying to mind for me, 306 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: and I'm to the point where, like I have kids 307 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: and people to like that depend on me, So you're 308 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: trying to play these games. Cool what you got to 309 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: offer me? And I just think that giving my life 310 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: circumstances of like, you know, having to take care of 311 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: people my whole life. I never really was a child, 312 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: like I always took care of somebody. So see that's 313 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: how I was gonna ask you because I know when 314 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: we talked before you mentioned that your mom passed away 315 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: at the age, so I feel like you kind of 316 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: just have to, like, like you said, just take care 317 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: of business, they handle your own, because you really didn't 318 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: have anybody to help you in a sense. Yeah, it's 319 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: always been like my mom was about four pounds and 320 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: she was also addicted to drugs. Both my parents are 321 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: addicted to drugs, So I always had to take care 322 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: of my mom or go to the bank or you know, 323 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: do just things. So it was never it was second 324 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: nation to me when people start approaching me like, oh, 325 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: you're real cute, you're real beautiful. Okay, cool, that's fine. 326 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't need you to tell me that. But okay, 327 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: so now what like what you're gonna do? Right? And 328 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: so I just act end the day. What it comes 329 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: down to is that if somebody else ain't gonna meet 330 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: mykneys like the proper way, and I'm asking for assistance 331 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna assist me, cool, don't worry about it, right. 332 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: So I think that's how it really was, Like I'm 333 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: not waiting for y'all tell us about the transition. When 334 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: you was like, okay, you know what, I can probably 335 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: make this into a business, like you put you finally 336 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: put the term on I'm a full service sex worker. Like, 337 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: what was that transition? Because I know you said you 338 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: had a website or a backpage. Yeah, you always you 339 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: always hear about, like as I got a older going 340 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: through high school, like you always heard about backpage and 341 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: credclist or these girls on backpage and creclists. So I'm like, 342 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: all right, that's the craiglist was booming to everything. Okay, 343 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: So then once you get on there, like, don't you 344 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: start looking at the post It's not that hard like 345 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: people make it seem like it's it takes a genius 346 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: for you to do this, and it really don't like 347 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: it's like a genius for you to finesse your money. 348 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: You don't really like, you know, get the what you 349 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: need to not get bamboozled by like people who were 350 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: time wastes, like that takes finesse. But you just the 351 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: act of you posting a lot of effort. It's just 352 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: it is what it is. So um, I think that 353 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: that point when I start posting my stuff or whatever, 354 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: it was just regular decklook like selfies that I would 355 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: take and it'd be people like, oh, I want to 356 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: meet up with you, I want to link with you. Okay, 357 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: well this is the services that I really think about, 358 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: Like what are these other girls offering? So I look 359 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: at they osen it's like, okay, you offer this, and 360 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: right like how they work their stuff because like they 361 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: don't put like, oh, my stuff is two hundred dollars, 362 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: it'd be like my stuff is two hundred roses for 363 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: a half a dozen of roses, which you mean thirty minutes. 364 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: So trying to learn how to word your stuff so 365 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: that you're not flagging your stuff for police. But also 366 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: in that content, when you're doing things like back Page 367 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: and Craigslist, you already getting flight from the police because 368 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: they're looking for a low level, easy fruit for them 369 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: to um, you know too do a sweet. So you're 370 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: already kind of flagging yourself to the police. But in 371 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: a way that there's so many people that like you, 372 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: probably like one of a dozen. And that's also why 373 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: you have to be mindful of how you talk on 374 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: the phone. That be mindful of the way you talk 375 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: on text. You have to be mindful of who you're 376 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: meeting up with them. You've got to be on point 377 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: because you never know it could be a set up right. 378 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: So it's just like you have to learn. You have 379 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: to learn what what like a skeptical situation looked like 380 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: and be able to avoid them. Um. So I mean 381 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: like that's just that comes with the finesse part and 382 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: really doing your research about the clients style are contacting you. 383 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: There are methods for folks to screen their clients. Um, 384 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: not ones I'm willing to give up willingly, but we 385 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: don't snitch your hair girl to do that research. And 386 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: people do have, like people who are a little bit 387 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: more privileged in the industry will ask for you know, 388 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: credentials that you know. I need to know your bank 389 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: account information, I need to know your idea you are used. Yeah, 390 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: so there's people who do have a little bit more 391 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: time and energy and money to do that who will um, 392 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: which is why when we talk about survival sex work, Um, 393 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: it's really unique because you have to go off in 394 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: thince you can't not find to ask nobody for they 395 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: license and scared them away because that might be your 396 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: rent money, that might be whatever you need. Like you 397 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: don't know what that's going, right, What does a busy 398 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: week look like for you? I think is that saying 399 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: with you I've seen what you look like, You're pretty, 400 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: you're nice partigue, so like I can only imagine, especially 401 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: like when you was younger, Like I'm pretty sure guys 402 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: was like on it. It was. It was interesting because 403 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: like most of my time like spent and I don't 404 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: think I've ever really did. I stopped doing, um, short calls, 405 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: which is like thirty minutes so less. I stopped doing 406 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: them because like I just felt like it was a 407 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: waste of my energy, even though produce a good amount 408 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: of money, but short what is it? Short calls? Yeah, 409 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: so like a half hour or less calls, But it 410 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: was just a waste of my time because it took 411 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: me energy to get there and did you get back 412 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: all the sort of stuff. So all right, so busy. 413 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: Typically I would see two or three clients a night, 414 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: depending on what's going on. My busiest times was always weekends, 415 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: Fridays when people getting paid and stuff like that. Um, 416 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: how much would you say you bought home a week 417 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: like on a good week? Like on a good week, 418 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: I can I can make a thousand or more in 419 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: a few nights, like depending on what I'm doing or 420 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, or my attitude because that was like 421 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: they have review boards, and so people used to review 422 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: me about me having the worst attitude. But it's not 423 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: real me having an attitude. It's just my that's just 424 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: like you gotta understand where I'm from. Everybody act like 425 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: this is not new this right. I know where you're from. 426 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: It's like that's just who you are reality. So it's 427 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: just like, bro, I don't know to tell you, like, 428 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: it's not me nasty. I'm just it's just how we 429 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: give it up from where I'm right. You asked for 430 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: girlfriend experience. You want me to be somebody else, and 431 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: you need to say that. Um, that's so funny. We 432 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: had an impact on my business because people are like, oh, 433 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: you're like you're not really friendly, and I'm like, it's 434 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: not that friendly, and you already know why I'm here, 435 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: Like damn, so you you was probably to bring it 436 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: home like what three gs a week? It really just 437 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: depends because I was also going to school also, like 438 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: had be mom. So it's like it really just depends 439 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: on the time. Um that I'm willing to dedicate to it. 440 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: But if I'm willing to go full Throtald, yeah I 441 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: can make three g's no problem. Damn. So a moth 442 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: was that like twelve thousand? Yeah, But I don't think 443 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: I've ever pushed that hard, like once I get a 444 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: certain amount of money, so I had rules all right, 445 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: when we are rude, yeah all the time, we will 446 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: always get you locked, no problem. So I don't ever 447 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: try to over push my boundaries. Like if I've seen 448 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: a couple of people and I'm good for the week, 449 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna push my luck and keep doing it. 450 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: Because every time you go out there as a gamble, 451 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: you don't know who you meeting up with. It could 452 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: be next time you get locked and be violence. You 453 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen. So I never usually like 454 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: go forth on and just hold the whole week. I don't. 455 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: We don't do that. I take what I can hold 456 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: it that everybody else can have that um And that's 457 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: just me and that I've always been like that, regardless 458 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: of what it was, whether it was legal or not. 459 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm just not that type of person to be like, no, 460 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I will owe your ship. Now, that's how you get 461 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: caught up. So you've got to take in the strides 462 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: and all money ain't good money, don't work with your time. 463 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: Like that you're gonna apply to right now. Yeah, And 464 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: it's just it's just for me. Like I think because 465 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: I've been exposed to a lot of different types of 466 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: work environments and me being a black person, I've always 467 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: recognized that regardless of what I do, I'm still spiritual 468 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: being at the center of it. So like my spirit, 469 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: like me being able to give myself to the world 470 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: and need to give myself to my kids, Like I 471 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: have to be mindful that my energy, my spirit, my vibe. 472 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: You gotta really keep yourself together. And so when you're 473 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: doing this work, I am a different person while I'm 474 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: doing this work. I'm not the same person who's gonna 475 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: walk out your apartment, I promise you. And once I 476 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: leave your apartment, I no longer think about you. You're 477 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: not a thing. So it's a job, job, and so 478 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,239 Speaker 1: I gotta be mindful. But you're walking in when you're 479 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: having sex with people, you inviting the energies into you. 480 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: When you and somebody, you're inviting the energies into you. 481 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: When you're dealing with certain people, you act inviting the 482 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: energies into you. So I'm not I'm not the type 483 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: of person to just take take take because back in 484 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: the day then I don't got nothing to give. What 485 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: were some of the challenges you face while working? People 486 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: are very racist? Yeah, very racist. I know one thing 487 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: I saw. I saw a page and you said something 488 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: about like if you was like the gain weight or something, 489 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: the guy, the guy might make a comment. They definitely 490 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: do that thing. I told you, they review you. If 491 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: I gain weight, they're definitely gonna say something. Then I 492 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: have stretch marks obviously, and people always be like, oh, 493 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: you need to do something about that, or they don't 494 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: like my hair curly, they want it straight, or they 495 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: don't want me to wear makeup, or they want me 496 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: to wear makeup, or why your nail is not done, 497 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: or why your nails this color. Is very critical of 498 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: your being. So you have to because I have a 499 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: think skin. I don't give a fuck what. There's some 500 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: people who really would take it to the extreme and 501 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: really try to like there's people who really go to 502 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: like go get modifications to their body just to be 503 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: able to make more money. And for me, I don't 504 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: ever think it's that important. I'm not changing how I 505 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: look for you because there's somebody out in the world 506 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: who won't want me for me. So I read somewhere 507 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: else that the sex industry is just so big, so 508 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: there's realm out there for everybody. So I don't really 509 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't really give a funk about what people say. 510 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: But I didn't know this when I started to gain away, 511 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: or if I started to like if I had like 512 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: there'd be days where I went and make no bread 513 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: because they don't like the way my pictures look. It's 514 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: people who um might not like how my pictures or 515 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: didn't like, well, this is the way that I had tattoos. Later, oh, 516 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: didn't like my tattoo. That was also another thing that 517 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: made me stop doing the industry, because I had my 518 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: kids names on me, so like, I don't I don't 519 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: want you to know nothing about me or my real 520 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: life or anything like that. I had somebody who broad 521 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: ass daylight running down the block screaming my name, and 522 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, brush up, you see the sun is out. 523 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: Don't fucking call me when the sun is out. Don't 524 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: don't even look at me when the sun is out. 525 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: You don't know who I am. So wait, would you 526 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: only work at night? I only used to work at night, 527 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: and for the most part, like I might see one 528 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: of two on clients in the day, but for the 529 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: most part, I'm not giving up my day for you. 530 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: So it's like, so I'm walking down the block and 531 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: he called me, and I heard him call me, but 532 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: I kept it pushing, Like do you know that's a 533 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: rule if you keep it pushing, don't respect the curl 534 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: call me and he's running me down, and I'm just like, bro, 535 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: and he's like, I know you heard me calling you. 536 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: I did, and I ignored you don't. And so that 537 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: was also played a part into my clients because like 538 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: he was a real young client like me and him 539 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: was probably the same age. He just ain't know it. 540 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: So it's just like, this is why I can't funk 541 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: with y'all. Y'all get emotionally attached, not suck that, like 542 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: you know, I had to be really mindful of who 543 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: I was dealing with in the mindset they were dealing with, 544 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: because like this nigga running me down, and there's other 545 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: clients I've been seen in the supermarkets and don't seem 546 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: like and we just keep a pushing, right, and then 547 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: but you running me down in the middle of the 548 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: street by a name that nobody else known me by By, 549 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: Have there ever been a time where you were scared 550 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: something happening to you? Uh, not scared of something happening 551 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: to me. But I have had people like who would 552 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: take condoms off, And I'm like, you know what, Now 553 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to I'm now I'm gonna have to 554 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: kill you because side of this. And I can't be 555 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: working around with you and come back with something that's 556 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: not that's not a cute. Look. So when y'all be 557 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: in the middle having sex and he he wouldn't just 558 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: notice that. Yeah, so what they would do it's called sheeting. 559 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: So they pushed the condom up into you, or they 560 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: take the kind of off like you know. So I've 561 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: only had one incidence where that happened. And bro, and 562 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: I tell you, mm hmm, you had to run this 563 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: whole Oh everything you got in this crip is mind 564 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: So but at that time, I've had drivers. My drivers 565 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: already knew it was seut like if I go up 566 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: there and don't come down in thirty minutes or whatever 567 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: the time is, you need to come up there and 568 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: get me, don't even play um. And then you had drivers. Yeah, 569 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm just rather be locked up than good, So you 570 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: gotta call the cops. Call the cops. It just is 571 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: what it is, right, So it's just yeah, I had 572 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: drivers just because like it made it easier for me 573 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: to get to my coals. They was getting bread off 574 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: each coal, so they didn't really care sitting in the 575 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: car with me all night. And then also at least 576 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: somebody know where the funk I'm at. Yeah, But also 577 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: like as I transition out and started doing more advocacy 578 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: work and stuff like that, I learned that like if 579 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: I call somebody and tell them I'm at this location, 580 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: they can charge with being They can be charged with 581 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: my trafficker just because they know they didn't say nothing. 582 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: So they play a part in it too. So um, 583 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's the ways of keeping communities isolated. And 584 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: that's why I say so dangerous because like we can't 585 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: even communicate with each other, you know. And now there's 586 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: like even more laws like sus the foster that's like 587 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: going after platforms, so things like Venmo and PayPal, uh 588 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: you know Microsoft, all of those things are now like 589 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: banding and shutting down sex work ways that sex workers 590 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: keep each other safe. And it's not a good look. 591 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: So you know, that's just that's the criminalized side of it. 592 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: Like even those who are most privilegized privileged might not 593 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: be able to use certain their some of their platforms 594 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: um just because of the new laws and stuff like that. 595 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: So when they retire and that she was catching phillips 596 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: for one of your clients, not at all. I hate 597 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: every last one of my clients. Said, There's only one 598 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: person that I swear I had the best time with, 599 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: and that's because all he wanted to do was give 600 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: me a massage. And it wasn't even like a bad massage. 601 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: He gave me the best massage and paid me and 602 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: sent me all my way. I was shocked, I was bamboozled. 603 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: I have never never had an experience where you paid me, 604 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: you were on time, and you actually know how to 605 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: give me a massage. There's people who always want to 606 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: give you massages, but they fucking hurt. You actually gave 607 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: me a real ass in sage with motion and oil, 608 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: and I went. I came out smelling delicious, like I 609 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: just left the spot and you paid me my full rate. 610 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: We're not trying to like work the dream come true, 611 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: like I don't, I swear if I knew that is address, 612 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: I might go pull up on him today, like, Yo, 613 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: you don't even gotta pay, just give me a massage, 614 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: like like that's probably pretty much to it. But everybody else, 615 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: I really generally, from the bottom of my heart, I 616 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: hate them because you know, when you're doing it's like 617 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: almost like being a theropist. Mm hmm um. These clients 618 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: will tell you the most disgusting, most like vile things 619 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 1: that they think about women or think about themselves, And 620 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm just like, y'all are really ain't ship, Like yeah 621 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: really really like I just it made me. It made 622 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: me a different person to my relationships and people like 623 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: it made me peep game like, oh you really trash, 624 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: Like you really trash, because I've met people like you, 625 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: you really real life trash. Um. So like, I've never 626 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: caught feelings for none of my clients. I don't most 627 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: clients that I had wasn't about that life like yeah 628 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: sex green was trash. Yeah, like so it's just like 629 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: it was. I felt like the only thing, the only 630 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: time thing I regret is that like people who don't 631 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: have do not live long enough to have trash sex. 632 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: I have wasted, Oh, I have wasted so much time 633 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 1: having trash as sex. Do you miss it though, like 634 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: miss just working in the industry. I don't miss the 635 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 1: industry part of it. I missed the money, like I 636 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: would if I get paid what I made in the 637 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: industry doing anything else. Oh yeah, anything else. But I mean, 638 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: like the other part of it is, I don't got 639 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: to look over my shoulder no more. I don't got 640 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: worried about crazy as people coming up in front of 641 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: my house and calling me in the middle of the 642 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: goddamn day, or you know, like clients really do feel 643 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: mad entitled to them because they don't see that line 644 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: it's not work for them. Yeah, they don't see that line, 645 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: so they think that they just entitled to your time 646 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: and energy. Like, no, bro, once I leave here, this 647 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: is it. There's no you know you ever hear from 648 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: me again. Don't call me asking me how I feel. 649 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't give a funk. So I'm pretty I'm pretty 650 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: sure everybody wants to know. Because you've been doing this 651 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: for what seventh seventh eight years? What dade you stop 652 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: have in a family? I mean not having a family, 653 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: but like being involved with somebody where Like he was like, 654 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: this is a dub you ain't doing this somewhere. So 655 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: I was like, you about to pay bills? Huh, you're 656 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: about to pay bills. You're about to the poor family. 657 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, we be out And how was out? 658 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: Because like I felt like it was it was never 659 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: for me. I don't know about the people, and I 660 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: can't speak for other people, but this type of industry 661 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you can do forever. And I think 662 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: that the people who do do it forever is like 663 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: somebody who made totally different choices in their lifetime. Um, 664 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: but I don't want to do this forever. Like I 665 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: have a calling. I know what my calling is, and 666 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: I know that like this is part of it. There's 667 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: my experiences here were definitely a part of it. But 668 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 1: it's not for everything. Like you know, I have shipped 669 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: to do. But if people, if the world made ship 670 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: much easier, people would not do the sex industry as 671 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: often as they do. If you made in college free 672 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: or affordable, or housing free or affordable, if you made right, 673 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: you just made things affordable, we would not have to 674 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: worry about so much trafficking and so much violence and 675 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: so much harm because people would be able to get 676 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: the things that they fucking need to live, and you 677 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to worry about making these daily choices. And 678 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: the people who truly choose to do this work can 679 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: do it in a way that makes sense for them. 680 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: But because that's not the society but living, you're only 681 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: gonna see it in flux. You're only going to see 682 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: it going up. Regardless of what kind of laws and 683 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: bills that people put in place. That should don't mean 684 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: nothing to nobody. When you have rent to pay or 685 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: mouse to feed on places to stay, that should don't 686 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: mean nothing to nobody, right, um, lasting not at least? 687 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: What's some advice you would give to our listeners who 688 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: might be interested in working in the sex industry, be 689 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: working in the sex industry that might want to be 690 00:35:53,040 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: a sex worker. But if you are a client of 691 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: a sex worker, pay your sex workers to your sex 692 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: workers one client, listen to the show. Get tested right, really, 693 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: and also just because you come up with test results, 694 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: don't mean I'm gonna suck you for here, because that 695 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: test result is from three months ago. Heard they'd be 696 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: doing it making a steak too. It doesn't matter if 697 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: you right now, if you go get tested and you 698 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: are negative for HIV. Your test result today is negative 699 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: from three months ago. There's a window period, so unless 700 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: you haven't had sex in the last three months, I 701 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: don't want to hear it about your negative result, all right. 702 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: And also, HIV ain't the worst than you can get 703 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: out there, trust me, Like, well, that's most HIV. HIV 704 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: is very manageable, very livable. People live full, healthy lives 705 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: with HIV. They also can come become undetectable with medications. Yeah, 706 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: so I guess that was HIV positive and she is 707 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: undetectable and her fiance you can and to get that 708 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: not the worst thing you can get it. But lets 709 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: you get some fucking syphilist where it make you infertile, 710 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: or get some damn gannaie or you can't like your 711 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: body is resistant to the drugs and you gotta live 712 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: with them. Symptoms that ship or even things that aren't 713 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: sextually transmitted diseases like bacterial vaginosis from having sex like 714 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: condoms can sunk up your pH That ship is fucking worse. 715 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: Like listen, HIV is definitely not the worst thing that 716 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: you can get, and it's not HIV is a manageable 717 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: livabole um. You know, infection that you get. But let 718 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: you come up with some gannery that's untreated or syphilist 719 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: or be you going blind because you don't have untreated whatever. 720 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,959 Speaker 1: So one more question, do you think that things would 721 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: have been different for any different for you growing up? 722 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: Do you think things would have been different now? Yeah? Um, 723 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: I think I don't really know. I mean I think 724 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: that if there was a lot of do you ever 725 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: think about it? I think that I had the proper support, 726 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: even like I've given my life circumstances, if I had 727 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: the proper support as a young mom, I think definitely 728 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: life would have been different. Um. But you know where 729 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: I come from, being a young mom is like is 730 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: like the worst thing that can happen to you? There 731 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: was it had all over the place to talking about 732 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 1: one in five teen moms. Babies don't graduate from high school, 733 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: like yeah, because you don't make it accessible to them. 734 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: So it's just like if I feel like if I 735 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: had the proper support around, um, being able to earn 736 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: a livable income with my children and go to school, yeah, 737 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: I think that life could have been different. Um, or 738 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: even just properly giving people sexual education so I wouldn't 739 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: have had three kids. But you just teach people not 740 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: to get pregnant. That also works without giving them all 741 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: types of hormones and stuff into their bodies. So I 742 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: think that could have definitely made a difference in my life. Um, 743 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, just make services supportive, make livabool fucking income. 744 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: Nobody should be living off. Even now today an hour 745 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: doesn't do ship for nobody where I live with no 746 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: four thousand dollar rent, three thousand dollar rent. Yeah, okay, 747 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: So I think that's the only thing, um, I could 748 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: see for changing. But in general, like, I just think 749 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: that a lot of things have been overlooked in my lifetime, 750 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: and then when it got to the end, everybody like, 751 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe really you can't believe it. 752 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: Neither can I. So I think that Yeah, so I 753 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: think the life lesson out of old this is there's 754 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: nothing in the world floating out there about me that 755 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: I didn't put out there intentionally. People ain't going to 756 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: research it about me that and put it out there. 757 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: Especially everything I think that to find about me is 758 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: known already. It's a known fact. And if you don't know, 759 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: then clearly you don't give a funk about me, because 760 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,959 Speaker 1: you would have known. Um, so, yes, I just think 761 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: that if anything, things I learned from the sex industry 762 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: was to be comfortable who I am that regardless of 763 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: what your truth. Yeah, so I'm comfortable who I am 764 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: and everything I offered to this world is a value. Period. 765 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 1: Whether it's my pussy or my mouth, it doesn't matter 766 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: my words, whatever the funk I produced in this world, 767 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: it's a value in regardless to my skin color, regardless 768 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: of my background, regardless of what I do or how 769 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: I earned it. It's a value. Um. So, if I 770 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: had to tell anybody who's in the sex industry, you 771 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: still valuable. You deserve to live, You deserve to be 772 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: loved and cared about, and deserve to be seen as humans. 773 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: So for everybody else and that note, Yeah, if you 774 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: have any questions for my guests, um please email me 775 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: at hello at the Professional Homeguard dot com. I would 776 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: gladly for them to her and only be between us 777 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: three and I want to thank my guests. I think 778 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: your story was amazing. I'm pretty sure it's gonna definitely 779 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: inspire at least one of our listeners. And until next time, 780 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: dies later