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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 2: for everybody today, extra amazing. We have all three back

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Speaker 1: What do we have to So we thought we'd give

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Speaker 3: So after leaving you.

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Speaker 2: On your own lats, well, I'm leaving you guys in

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Speaker 1: Okay, back, Well, we decided to do a little bit

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Speaker 1: That's how special it is. President in Crisis because as

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Speaker 1: you guys, I'm sure realize, this is an incredibly consequential week,

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Speaker 1: morning before we get to any of that, though. First

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Speaker 1: which is Ryan is launching this morning drop site. We've

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Speaker 1: Ryan what you were up to here and what was

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Speaker 1: the what was the cause of this new venture?

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Speaker 4: Is the headline here is that Jeremy Skhill, who you

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Speaker 4: the Intercept. There will be some other Intercept veterans who

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Oscar Renner, who is a deputy editor. She'll

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Speaker 4: and we propose that all of you on the board resign,

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Speaker 1: And you and Jeremy have such a track record and

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Speaker 3: To back all of that up.

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Speaker 7: I mean to your point about the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: But if you have such a great point, if you've.

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Speaker 1: It's been great out there.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic and I love the name, the homage, you know,

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Speaker 2: the idea of the spy like a drop side, giving

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ryan, drop site news dot com.

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Speaker 2: and you're going to be hearing about it, I think

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Speaker 9: Next couple of months.

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Speaker 3: Yes, congratulations, Roy Man, We're very happy for you.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to the Presidency in Crisis

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Speaker 2: brought to everybody the breakdown of President Biden's interview. There

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Speaker 2: After his disastrous debate performance, Georgetephanopolis asked, how are you

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Speaker 2: going to feel, you know, if you continue to stay

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Speaker 2: in this race and Donald Trump beats you in the election?

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Speaker 2: He basically said, well, it's all about me and that's

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Speaker 10: Here's what he had to say, mister president, I've never

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't believe that's my improvement. That's not what

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Speaker 10: And if you stay in and Trump is elected and

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Speaker 10: feel in January?

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Speaker 12: I feel as long as I gave it my all

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Speaker 11: That's what this is about.

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Speaker 10: If we're worried that if you stay in the race,

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Speaker 6: I've go into detail with them.

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Speaker 12: I've speak of that, all of them in detail, including

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Speaker 12: Jim Clemburn, every one of them. They all said I

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Speaker 12: Look, I mean, if the Lord of Mighty cannot say,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the Lord Almighty is basically the only person

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Speaker 2: and as long as he says I in at the end,

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Speaker 2: then I'll be totally content. So it's not about the voters,

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Speaker 2: it's not about the policy, it's not about any of that.

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Speaker 3: It is about Joe Biden. And is it about his

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Speaker 7: And let's actually pause on this goodest question, because Maureen

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Speaker 7: included reference to goodest, T J. Duck Low, a Biden

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Speaker 9: As job as I know.

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Speaker 3: That I can, it's not really matter.

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Speaker 7: This is about Declo asked if I could quote tweak

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Speaker 1: That's what we're doing Okay, so I had seen this

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Speaker 1: to this clip like four times he said goodest. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and that is not any better, by the way, but

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Speaker 1: I'm good as job as. But also I mean more

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Speaker 2: Right now, and that's actually exactly what it is, because

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Speaker 1: Well now, even Nixon.

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Speaker 7: George Stephanopoulos, I think enabled that perspective, because the vast

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Speaker 2: No, you're right, And just to get to Crystal's point

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Speaker 9: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Nobody making less than four hundred thousand dollars will pay

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Speaker 3: That's a promise.

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Speaker 5: That's a guarantee, a promise, give you my word as

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Speaker 2: And you think it's a good idea to raise taxes

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Speaker 5: De penny who you're raising them on. Look, if you're

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Speaker 3: You can see it very clear as day.

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Speaker 2: And we're also hearing from one of Biden's former press secretaries,

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Speaker 2: That's as kind as it can get, I think from

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, Well, we'll get to some of this with

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Speaker 2: That likely voter number is very significant. Because those are

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Speaker 9: But I don't want to be in the business of

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Speaker 1: This goes back to the Biden denialism in that manifest

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Speaker 1: numbers wrong too. He's like, oh, well, the New Times

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Speaker 1: they had me down by nine before the debate. These

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Speaker 1: same people, he goes he says, these are not exactly

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Speaker 1: these words, but these same people they had me losing

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Speaker 1: to Trump last time. No they didn't, No, they didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean you remember we were there, Biden was ahead

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Speaker 1: sometimes I double digit.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen points won in these poles.

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Speaker 1: Goes on to dramatically underperform the polls, narrowly eke out

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Speaker 1: a victory. So what Land were you living in there,

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Speaker 1: because the rest of us were looking at poles that

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Speaker 1: showed he was got a wall of Trump across the Midwest,

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Speaker 1: across the country, et cetera. Instead, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: coming down to the wire on election. We didn't know

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Speaker 1: which way it was going to go. So the pole

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Speaker 1: the poles over showed two good of a picture for Biden.

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Speaker 1: Last timmer On, these same people were saying you were

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Speaker 1: going to win in a landslide, and it ended up

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Speaker 1: being extremely close. So Trump has never in any of

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Speaker 1: his campaigns held this kind of He has never held

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Speaker 1: this kind of leak.

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Speaker 7: This is creeping into mechan Obama territory. Actually, I have

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Speaker 7: the historical margins posted like I've pulled them up right here,

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Speaker 7: like this is this.

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Speaker 8: Is not something we've seen in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Emily and Ryan, you guys were both mentioning

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Speaker 1: that there's reporting now we were looking at the decline

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Speaker 1: between this interview and the interview just in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: when again there were already questions from Julian Castro on

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Speaker 1: the stage saying, hey, do you even remember what you

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Speaker 1: just said to me? And there were big questions about

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Speaker 1: his age and ability then but how much more with

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Speaker 1: it he was in his physical appearance. There's now reports

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Speaker 1: that there was a Parkinson's specialist who came along with

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Speaker 1: his personal physician to the White House, And this is

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Speaker 1: the corner of the White House visitor logs, what ten times.

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Speaker 7: A couple of year twenty twenty two, several times just

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Speaker 7: in the last about six months. A Parkinson specialist Alexperience

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Speaker 7: and I think first had this on his substack, but

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Speaker 7: it's been confirmed by other news outlets since the New

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Speaker 7: York Post had it first. But Parkinson specialist that Walter

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Speaker 7: Reed has been visiting Biden's personal physician, Kevin O'Connor at

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Speaker 7: the White House looks like nine to ten times since

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty two alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ryan speak a little bit to what that means,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's one thing, it's still wildly inexcusable.

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Speaker 1: If they just have their heads buried in sand, they

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Speaker 1: think he's fine, more or less they don't know that

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Speaker 1: there's an actual diagnosis, Versus if they do know there's

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Speaker 1: a diagnosis and they're hiding it from the American people,

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Speaker 1: that level of scandal is world historic.

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Speaker 4: And at minimum it would suggest that they knew there

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Speaker 4: was at least another symptomatic expression.

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Speaker 3: That if you never diagnosed it, there's nothing to report.

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Speaker 4: Yes, right, parkins is Apparently it's not the kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: There's apparently one skin test or something that Johns Hopkins does,

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Speaker 4: but it's not very like widely used at this point,

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Speaker 4: and who knows how reliable is Parkson's is the kind

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Speaker 4: of thing where it's kind of a symptomatic diagnosis. You

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Speaker 4: look at it and you say, okay, you've got these

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Speaker 4: six things. Yeah, I declare that you have it, like

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Speaker 4: there's no like, it's not a blood test where the

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Speaker 4: two lines turn up and you're like, oh, Parkinson.

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Speaker 1: It's more like, it appears you have this. We're going

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Speaker 1: to treat it the way we would treat it if

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Speaker 1: you respond exactly.

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Speaker 4: And all of the Parkinson specialists who have spoken publicly

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Speaker 4: have said, like, the symptoms that he's expressing are the

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Speaker 4: kinds where you would go for that further kind of

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Speaker 4: testing and treatment. So it appears like that is what happened.

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Speaker 4: Unless there's some extraordinary coincidence that has this Parkinson specialist

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Speaker 4: going to the White House meeting multiple times.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's just very interested in donating Parkinson's research, I

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Speaker 3: mean Parkinson last week.

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Speaker 2: The way that they the way that this always goes

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Speaker 2: down is that they never officially diagnose it. They have

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Speaker 2: the two step you know, removed where the physician is

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Speaker 2: with Biden and then the physician consults with the specialists

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Speaker 2: and then you know, because of the way that laws,

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Speaker 2: hippa and all that other stuff works, Like unless he

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Speaker 2: allows like a over like a different report than whatever

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Speaker 2: currently comes out and shows like the medical notes, which

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Speaker 2: they never will allow to come out, then we're not

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Speaker 2: actually going to know about what the physical symptoms are

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Speaker 2: looking like.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, it's a Crystal's point.

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Speaker 4: The overlaying scandal would be the medical report that does

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Speaker 4: go into detail about Parkinson's and expressly rules it.

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Speaker 7: Out quote no findings which would be consistent with Parkinson's rights.

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Speaker 2: Again, can be drigged in very different ways in different notes.

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Speaker 2: If you have a concern this, But the way you

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Speaker 2: think the doctor is not an idiot, like he knows

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Speaker 2: he's like, well, if I don't write it.

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Speaker 3: Down, it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: So but you know, maybe I'll have a conversation with

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Speaker 2: my buddy, have him over here, because he at the

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Speaker 2: same time is concerned about well, hopefully concerned about the

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Speaker 2: state of the nation, but crystally right. I mean, that

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Speaker 2: would be one of the biggest health scandals in the

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Speaker 2: history of the American president, probably the biggest since Woodrow

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Speaker 2: Wilson and Edith who I think Joe Biden is the

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Speaker 2: modern Edith Wilson.

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Speaker 1: What a hellaen, what a villain?

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 1: And that really as a wife and a mother and

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Speaker 1: you know someone who also was an elderly parents who

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Speaker 1: are watching it like she doesn't care about this man, Yeah, obviously,

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Speaker 1: because why would you imagine putting your loved one out

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Speaker 1: there on the debate stage to be humiliated the way

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Speaker 1: she and Hunter and whoever else are the close Biden

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Speaker 1: aid Donellan and these people are. They like running the

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Speaker 1: country right now. They are running the country, and they

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Speaker 1: like that and they don't want that to change. So

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Speaker 1: they will prop him up. They will deny, they will

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Speaker 1: cover up, they will keep him shielded as they have been.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get to the press's complicity here in a moment,

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Speaker 1: because all the red flags were there that he's not

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Speaker 1: doing interviews, he's not doing press conferences. He goes to

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Speaker 1: meet with the G seven leaders and they're like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this is incredible disaster. The donors are telling

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Speaker 1: you he can't speak on his own without a telepropter,

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Speaker 1: even for six minutes. And yet there's still oh, the

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Speaker 1: cheap fake videos and they're being altered and this is

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Speaker 1: a right wing narrative, etcetera, etcetera. Extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary, the

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Speaker 1: way that we were gas lit by the press in

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Speaker 1: the tight grip that his aides want to hold onto

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Speaker 1: power because again we didn't nobody voted for them to

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Speaker 1: be in office. And yet outside of foreign policy, where

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Speaker 1: I think Biden does unfortunately stubbornly hold on to the

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Speaker 1: reins with utterly disastrous results. On domestic policy, they are

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Speaker 1: running the country and they do not want.

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Speaker 3: To let that power go. To that point, let's get

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Speaker 3: to the Washington Post story.

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Speaker 1: So potentially the most consequential story that we are all

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Speaker 1: watching to see how it unfolds this week is Congress

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Speaker 1: is going to be back, and there has been a

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Speaker 1: significant uptick in the number of Biden Democratic defections. Even

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Speaker 1: someone like Adam Schiff, who has been a staunch ally

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Speaker 1: of leadership and certainly of President Biden, sounding some alarms

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 14: The performance on the debate stage, I think rightfully raised

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Speaker 14: questions among the American people about whether the president has

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Speaker 14: the vigor to defeat Donald Trump. And this is an

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Speaker 14: existential race. Given Joe Biden's incredible record, given Donald Trump's

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Speaker 14: terrible record, he should be mopping the floor with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: Joe Biden is running against a criminal. It should not

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Speaker 14: be even close. And there's only one reason it is close,

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Speaker 14: and that's the president's age. And what I would say, Kristen,

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Speaker 14: what I would advise the president is seek out the

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Speaker 14: opinions of people you trust. He's obviously talked to his

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Speaker 14: family about this and that's important, but he should seek

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Speaker 14: out people with some distance and objectivity. He should seek

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Speaker 14: out posters who are not his own posters. He should

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Speaker 14: take a moment to make the best informed judgment, and

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Speaker 14: if the judgment is run, then run hard and beat that.

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Speaker 1: Sob very noteworthy comments. There were fortune to be joined

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Speaker 1: this morning by Dave Weigel. He is a reporter for

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Speaker 1: Semaphore to talk about whether the Democratic dam is going

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Speaker 1: to break this week. Great to see you, Dave.

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Speaker 9: Good to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So, what are your expectations as we move into this

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Speaker 1: consequential week.

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Speaker 15: Well, in the next few hours, House Democrats and House

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Speaker 15: Republicans are going to come back to work. They're going

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Speaker 15: to be in hallways with reporters looking for them, and

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Speaker 15: they're going to be asked what they think of Biden.

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Speaker 15: I think you're actually going to get a mix of opinion.

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Speaker 15: That's been clear over the last few weeks. And I

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Speaker 15: talked to a couple of Democrats who were at home

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Speaker 15: all recess, some were traveling somewhere at home, and they

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Speaker 15: said there was a discrepancy when they were in more

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Speaker 15: affluent parts of their distance is not universals, just a

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Speaker 15: couple of people. When they're more affluent parts of their district,

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Speaker 15: they were hearing Biden needs to go. When they were

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Speaker 15: in more working class parts of their district, they were

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Speaker 15: stand with Biden. I think that was a little bit

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Speaker 15: probably self serving, and what I heard from Democrats, but

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Speaker 15: I heard it from a few, And that's clearly what

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Speaker 15: Biden's trying to do right now is campaign in black

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Speaker 15: communities of black churches, look to the sort of Democratic

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Speaker 15: voters that gave him the nomination, and recast this as a.

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Speaker 9: Saw as to elite effort to get him off the

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Speaker 9: ballot that is not supported by the bulk of the party.

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Speaker 7: Dave, I want to ask you about that, because Cedric

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Speaker 7: Richmond actually outright racialized this just in the last twenty

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Speaker 7: four to forty eight hours, saying he found it interesting

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Speaker 7: that no Black House Democrats had called for Biden to

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Speaker 7: step down. Can you just speak to a little bit

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Speaker 7: about how cynical is that versus how real is that?

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Speaker 7: Is this really a very cynical way for Biden to

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Speaker 7: sort of maintain his grip on power, or is there

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Speaker 7: perhaps truth, especially when you combine it with the class

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Speaker 7: dynamics that you just mentioned. We're hearing from some Biden

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Speaker 7: defenders recently as well.

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Speaker 15: Well, it's cynical, but it is taking an opportunity presented

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Speaker 15: by some of the more pigh in the sky donors

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Speaker 15: who have the ear of journalists and are proposing a

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Speaker 15: blitz convention or a mini convention, coming up with different

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Speaker 15: ways to say we want Biden gone, but we don't

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Speaker 15: want the black kingal.

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Speaker 9: Vice president to take take over.

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Speaker 15: That would be the awkward to for Richmond say what

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Speaker 15: he was saying in a context for everyone agreed that

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Speaker 15: next in line is Kamala Harris I Biden has said,

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Speaker 15: can fly by a pickingers ready for the job, and

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Speaker 15: instead you can see what they're doing is recasting this

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Speaker 15: as a bunch of people who don't understand Democratic Party

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Speaker 15: politics trying to impose their will on the black, non

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Speaker 15: non white voter base of the party. It is a

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Speaker 15: little cynical. It's also that's not how Biden won in

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty. He ran as a broadcast candidate who appealed

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Speaker 15: to the whole party and as much of the country

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Speaker 15: as possible, not as the candidate of the faction of

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Speaker 15: the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 9: So it is a little cynical. And you have not

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Speaker 9: seen that.

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Speaker 15: Look at the makeup of the CBC, look at even

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Speaker 15: progressives in the CBC. One thing in private, Ryan not

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Speaker 15: to put him on the spot, knows more about this.

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Speaker 15: But there has been some reluctance by elected progressives to

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Speaker 15: go after Biden, to make it look like a polarized

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Speaker 15: I have.

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Speaker 9: An ideological right with the guy. We always have.

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Speaker 15: Bernie Sanders have been very supportive of Biden running and

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Speaker 15: by interview with him and then his interview.

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Speaker 9: I was on Sunday.

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Speaker 15: So they're really trying to isolate a different facts of

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Speaker 15: the party. They don't like him, and some of them

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Speaker 15: are going along with the teacher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave, we have some interesting new reporting multiple news outlets.

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Speaker 2: We can put this one up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: CNN had a pretty detailed right up here of Hakeem

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Speaker 2: Jefferies convening a call yesterday where we had some four

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Speaker 2: Democrats who actually vocally opposed Joe Biden, including Mark Takano,

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Speaker 2: Adam Smith, Jim Hines, Joe Morell, Jerry Nadler, and Susan Wild.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Nadler, I believe one of the highest ranking folks

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Speaker 2: are at least most well known, especially amongst Democrats, actually

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Speaker 2: vocally oppose him in this call. How do you expect

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Speaker 2: that to play out this week on Capitol Hill? Are

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Speaker 2: they going to come out with statements like we've seen

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Speaker 2: from some members or they can keep it behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes like it appears Representative Don Byer did.

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Speaker 3: How do you think that's going to happen?

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Speaker 15: Well, you saw the Buyer's statement is really telling because

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Speaker 15: Buyer on the call and people to describe when he

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Speaker 15: said verbato and I confirm it on the call, was

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Speaker 15: very nervous about Biden.

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Speaker 1: We actually we can, sorry, Dave, we can put those

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Speaker 1: comments up on the screen. Since you're representing put the

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Speaker 1: five up guys while you're talking, we can we can

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Speaker 1: take a look at those because on the call he

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Speaker 1: was he said he's very, very fragile. His handshake is firm,

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Speaker 1: but he really has trouble putting two sentences together. I

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Speaker 1: believe Kama is in a great position to win, better

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Speaker 1: position than Joe. My perfect world is Joe steps aside. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's Kamla run as the incumbent. But once these comments

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Speaker 1: came out, then he ran away from them at a

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Speaker 1: million miles per hour.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you could hear the flop sweat splashing off of

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Speaker 15: the follow the cleanup comment. And I don't think many

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Speaker 15: Democrats want to embarrass themselves that way. You saw what

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Speaker 15: happened with Mark Warner's meeting. It was leaf that he

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Speaker 15: was going to meet with senators about this, and then

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Speaker 15: that meeting is not going. It happened, though, doesn't mean

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Speaker 15: a different kind of meeting won't happen. But there's not

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Speaker 15: the constant. I think what people what people who wanted

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Speaker 15: Biden gone were trying to will into the existence was

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Speaker 15: a new version of the sort of Watergate mythos where

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Speaker 15: Republican senators went to Nixon and told him his position

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Speaker 15: was untenable. Remember Nixon's position being untenable in a Democratic

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Speaker 15: majority House and Senate was with the one dimocrats face.

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Speaker 15: Now that happens a lot with Democratic elite, so they say,

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Speaker 15: well this I saw this in a history book, where

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Speaker 15: I saw this in the West wing that effort. It

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Speaker 15: doesn't matter if Biden himself is convinced that his family's

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Speaker 15: convinced that he is still in the position to win.

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Speaker 15: And the way he framed things in his CBC News interview.

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Speaker 9: Was, look at my record.

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Speaker 15: No one else, no one else could have beat from

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Speaker 15: no one else could have done this. He's just not

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Speaker 15: leaving any room to be helpful to the vice president,

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Speaker 15: and I really think the conversation should focus on the

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Speaker 15: vice president. The rest of this clearly has been I

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Speaker 15: wouldn't say a strategic are because I didn't see uch strategy

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Speaker 15: behind it, but the idea of just replacing Biden with

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Speaker 15: TVD popular candidate, I do think that has been helpful

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Speaker 15: to Biden, making it look like a bunch of elites

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Speaker 15: who don't know the party, or trying to make us

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Speaker 15: again this. It's a version of what happened in twenty

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Speaker 15: nineteen where Michae Bloomberberg and Tom Steyer decided they know

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Speaker 15: I've better everybody and something in the race, but what

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Speaker 15: do you hear from professional Democrats? It will be a mix,

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Speaker 15: And so in procedurally, not many members were in town

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Speaker 15: last week A letter boarders were texting the same people.

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Speaker 15: They were being cautious, they wanted to stay off the record.

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Speaker 15: Who is willing to go in front of a camera

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Speaker 15: today or face Manu Raju in the halls or the

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Speaker 15: many Mono rush who saw in the Capitol and say

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Speaker 15: the same thing. I think what you're going to see

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Speaker 15: is a mix of opinion and Democrats dueling in the

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Speaker 15: White House to the White House with Biden in his

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Speaker 15: circle pointing to the people who are defending them, and

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Speaker 15: Richmond previewed it pointing to the people who are not

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Speaker 15: elite members of Congress from I think shift's going to

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Speaker 15: be a senator but as a member of Congress from

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Speaker 15: a very kind.

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Speaker 9: Of elite tony part of LA. They're going to point

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Speaker 9: to the.

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Speaker 15: Members from more working class districts and say, after all

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Speaker 15: that here's some sound that people defending Joe Biden, because

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Speaker 15: that's what you're you're missing is just weren't getting members

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Speaker 15: on camera saying I defend this president. So I think

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Speaker 15: there'll be a mix of opinion and the White House

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Speaker 15: in a good position to accentuate the pro Biden opinion.

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Speaker 4: What's your sense of where the Washington conventional wisdom needle

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Speaker 4: is at on whether or not Biden's going to drop out?

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Speaker 4: Like d the last week, it was like he was.

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Speaker 4: It was like a death watch, like everybody seemed convinced

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Speaker 4: that any minute you were going to get that news

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Speaker 4: alert that the guy has said he's dropping out. That needles,

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Speaker 4: from my sense, seems to have moved back a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But from the people you're talking to, what do they

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Speaker 4: think is going to happen?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: Not not what do they want to happen, but what

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Speaker 4: is their expectation of how this is going to go.

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Speaker 15: They're getting more worried that Biden is going to stick

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Speaker 15: in how they should count their opinions or their takes

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Speaker 15: based on that? There is some looking toward his next

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Speaker 15: public appearances. Look, there's going to be reporting around this

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Speaker 15: NATO summit.

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Speaker 9: Of how Biden.

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Speaker 15: It's immediate part of a part of this that's I

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Speaker 15: think part of for domestic reporters to report because its

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Speaker 15: not their bet is what the world thinks and Joe

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Speaker 15: Biden in this moment, what do the foreign leaders think

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Speaker 15: of Biden? So I think some of the most damaging

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Speaker 15: reporting of the previous week, or people going back to

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Speaker 15: sources who were met Biden in Europe before the debate

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Speaker 15: and we're saying, well, in retrospect, you look first, he

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Speaker 15: looked a little slippery.

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Speaker 9: You look like he lost it in this moment. I

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Speaker 9: was worried about it. In this moment, what is going

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Speaker 9: to come out of that meeting? But nothing?

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Speaker 15: Nothing might be as devastating as the debate itself and

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Speaker 15: harder with they're betting on. Here is just the normal

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Speaker 15: half life of people's opinion of a bad event as

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Speaker 15: people get further from the debate, what they're watching. The

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Speaker 15: other part of this is that the Trump campaign is

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Speaker 15: not taking advantage. If it did, I think that I

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Speaker 15: don't know if the impact would be, But the Trump

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Speaker 15: campaign put out a couple of video ads. Trump himself

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Speaker 15: has put a true statements, true sorry, true.

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Speaker 9: Social statements and not said anything.

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Speaker 15: You don't have Republicans previewing how they're going to blitz

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Speaker 15: Biden with the video.

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Speaker 9: Of him looking lost.

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Speaker 15: We have it from your ads, but they've very smartly

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Speaker 15: taken themselves with at the conversation because they think the

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Speaker 15: best scenario here is a weekend Joe Biden running with

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Speaker 15: the nomination and loseing the debate is beatable, Comma beatable,

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Speaker 15: et cetera, et cetera. But no talking to Republicans, they

801
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Speaker 15: really think it's good for them if Democrats are stuck

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Speaker 15: with Biden in an agonizing way where a bunch of

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Speaker 15: them went on the record saying they wish they were

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Speaker 15: and so that's that's helped the conventional wisdom to move

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Speaker 15: towards Biden. The fact that Republicans are not allowing this

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Speaker 15: and managing one and polarizing Democrats in one direction. They're

807
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Speaker 15: just letting They're giving Biden space to reping control of

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Speaker 15: the party, which, if you're as strategic cynical Democrats, makes

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Speaker 15: you think we should get rid of the cure member

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Speaker 15: of Congress to paying attention to the news and your constituents.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you're not hearing as many people say that guy

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Speaker 9: needs to go.

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Speaker 1: So Dave is someone who really understands how stuff actually

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Speaker 1: works in DC. You know, two of the words that

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Speaker 1: I hear quite often our Biden's position are unsustainable. It's untenable,

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Speaker 1: especially if you do have sort of the floodgates open

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Speaker 1: this week, and we have a lot more high ranking

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Speaker 1: Democrats of the sort that you know, the ranking members

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Speaker 1: who were telling Hakeem Jeffries privately, or even Hakeem Jeffries himself,

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Speaker 1: who has so far stayed completely mum in terms of

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Speaker 1: his view of the situation. You could certainly imagine a

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Speaker 1: scenario where, after taking the temperature of his caucus by

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Speaker 1: those ranking members on that call, and seeing that more

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Speaker 1: of them than not want Biden off the ticket, you

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Speaker 1: could certainly imagine him coming out with that position saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is this is the will of my caucus. If

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Speaker 1: you do have that sort of a situation, does it

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Speaker 1: become untenable, does it become impossible for Biden to hang

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Speaker 1: on to the nomination, or is there a scenario where

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Speaker 1: you do have the floodgates open, you do have a

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Speaker 1: number of high level Democrats saying I really want to

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Speaker 1: see Kamala Harrison there instead of Joe Biden, and he

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Speaker 1: still decides he's going to hang in there and gets

834
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Speaker 1: the nomination and goes on to November.

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Speaker 15: Well, untenable is a tricky word, because if you don't

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Speaker 15: resign and you're not in seage, you're not moving from office,

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Speaker 15: you're not moving the ticket, then you have it. I

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Speaker 15: remember I don't know fifteen instance in twenty sixteen where

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Speaker 15: Donal Trump's position is clearly untenable and there's going to

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Speaker 15: be a challenge in the convention. I remember Mike Lee,

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Speaker 15: who's now about as crumpy as it gets, and I

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Speaker 15: said it going on Facebook Lives to demand Trump leave

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Speaker 15: the ticket in October when it just moved a mend

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Speaker 15: conceding the election. Hill Er eight Clinton, nothing's untenable if

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Speaker 15: you just grind it out, and that's what Biden will

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Speaker 15: done the past. Everyone who talks to his circle ar

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Speaker 15: has covered him, knows that the self mythos of Joe

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Speaker 15: Biden that he always gets up, He's always gets up

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Speaker 15: when people will count of him out, that the elites

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Speaker 15: are always kind of out and they're always wrong. That

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Speaker 15: is more powerful than the opinion of a lot of

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Speaker 15: people who fit into that category. Every column being written,

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Speaker 15: every I think I've always seen one of them, but

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Speaker 15: every well two, I've seen two fake speeches written by

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Speaker 15: columnists that Biden should give to give up the nomination

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Speaker 15: that clearly is going to have the opposite effect on him.

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Speaker 9: So no, nothing, There are rules of the party.

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Speaker 15: If it was the old smoke filled room days of

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Speaker 15: the nineteen twenties, when delegates of the convention were totally

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Speaker 15: unfound and interested in self interest their factions, would he

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Speaker 15: be in trouble. But he has a delegate pool that

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Speaker 15: are Democratic regulars.

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Speaker 9: Some of them have gone on the record saying they're

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Speaker 9: worried about him.

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Speaker 15: But what would it take for two thousand Democratic delegates

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Speaker 15: to say I was elected to support.

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Speaker 9: Joe Biden and I don't anymore. That's a lot.

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Speaker 15: That's actually a big task, even for any I guess

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Speaker 15: anyone with the EP. They could call these delegates up.

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Speaker 15: What would it take for him to say, my position's

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Speaker 15: unsustainable and I can't win again versus my position looks unsustainable.

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Speaker 9: But everyone who ever thought that about me was wrong,

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Speaker 9: and that's that's where his head is. Ad So there's

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Speaker 9: not a tool of process beyond distant Trump campaign.

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Speaker 15: I want to get too much tangents, but I remember

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Speaker 15: being with people who had been rationed a long time

877
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Speaker 15: and assumed Trump would have to go over firing Komie

878
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Speaker 15: or over the Ukraine callers.

879
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Speaker 9: If you just stay in power, you're fine. And the

880
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 9: difference between Trump.

881
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 15: And Biden with regard to their parties is that it

882
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 15: really is just the majority of the Democratic elected Party

883
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Speaker 15: supports Joe Biden.

884
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Speaker 9: It's not ninety nine percent like support Donald Trump.

885
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Speaker 15: So you you never get account Republicans who said, I'm

886
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Speaker 15: worried about Donald Trump's conviction he needs to leave the ticket.

887
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Speaker 9: None, None who were in elected office. He had to

888
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Speaker 9: go to Liz Cheney or something.

889
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Speaker 15: That's the main that they He has less control over

890
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 15: his party, but he has the same mechanics, which are like,

891
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 15: no way to get him off the ballot unless he

892
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Speaker 15: says he wants.

893
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Speaker 9: Off the ballot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that. The two differences with regard to

895
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Speaker 1: Biden and Trump and their position with the party is

896
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Speaker 1: both that there's a lower approval rating, lower commitment to him,

897
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Speaker 1: and also there's just a lower level of enthusiasm. Like

898
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Speaker 1: even the people who are like, yeah, I think Biden

899
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Speaker 1: should stay, there isn't the same level of like I

900
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: will follow this man through the gates of hell. I

901
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: will you know, he could shoot someone on fifth ab

902
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: and there isn't that same level of like Biden commitment

903
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: as you see in the Republican Party side. But I

904
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Speaker 1: think your quote there nothing is unsustainable if you grind

905
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Speaker 1: it out true, that's kind of kind of what we're

906
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Speaker 1: living through here. Dave. Thank you so much for your

907
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Speaker 1: insights this morning. We're really grateful for you.

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Speaker 9: Thanks for your time, Dave, thanks maaking time. I appreciate it.

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00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

910
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So the discussion, of course, turns to if not Biden,

911
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: then who And the person who seems like the most

912
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: likely candidate at this point is Kamala Harris. You had

913
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Speaker 1: Jim Clyburn, who was very influential in both getting Biden

914
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: the nomination last time and also getting Kamala Hair to

915
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Speaker 1: be vice president, has put his thumb on the scales

916
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: in favor of Kamala Harris very clearly. If Biden were

917
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: to abdicate the throne, Let's take a listen to what

918
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Speaker 1: Cleiburne had to say.

919
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Speaker 16: How would you feel if there is a decision for

920
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 16: him to step down, If he decides that, and he

921
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 16: has to decide that, or if the party pressures him

922
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Speaker 16: to do that.

923
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: How would you feel if.

924
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Speaker 16: They worked around and tried to go around Kamala Harris

925
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 16: because of her lack of high poll numbers and popularity

926
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Speaker 16: and broadly based Do you think it's hers to have

927
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 16: if it's not his, I will.

928
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Speaker 17: Support her if he were to step aside, but I'm

929
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Speaker 17: want to support her going forward sometime in the future.

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Speaker 17: I want this ticket to continue to be Biden Harris

931
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Speaker 17: and then we'll see what happens after the next election.

932
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Speaker 18: No, this pot is should not in any way do

933
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Speaker 18: anything to work around has.

934
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Speaker 17: We should do everything we can to bolster her, whether

935
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Speaker 17: it's a second place.

936
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Speaker 9: Or at the top of the ticket.

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Speaker 18: The process that's already in place to make it a

938
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Speaker 18: miny primary, and I would support that absolutely. We can't

939
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Speaker 18: close that down and we shed to open up everything

940
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Speaker 18: for the general elected. And I think that Kamala Harris

941
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Speaker 18: would quit herself very well in that kind of a process.

942
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Speaker 1: So floating there a mini primary, I don't know exactly

943
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: how that would look. At the same time, there have

944
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Speaker 1: been some anonymous Democratic operatives who've been circulating this now

945
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Speaker 1: viral quote unquote case for KMin can put a little

946
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Speaker 1: bit of this up on the screen. They are a

947
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Speaker 1: number of news outlets that got a hold of this.

948
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Speaker 1: The headline here at unburdened by what has been the

949
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Speaker 1: case for Kamala. We have won gold defeat Trump. Like

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Speaker 1: it or not. We have one realistic path Kamalin. They

951
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Speaker 1: lay out, you know, the things that we know about

952
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Speaker 1: her weaknesses and also what they perceived to be some

953
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Speaker 1: of her strengths. And Ryan there's an interesting and totally

954
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: unexpected coalition forming online between former Bernie Rose and the KHive,

955
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Speaker 1: which is one of the most surprising things I've ever

956
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: seen in my entire life. But you have, you know,

957
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Speaker 1: basically people like Jim Clybird making common cause with some

958
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Speaker 1: lefties who have decided basically, look, it's most likely to

959
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Speaker 1: be Kamala and we may as well just accept it

960
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Speaker 1: and get behind it. At this point, I wonder what

961
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Speaker 1: you make of that, and also what you think of

962
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Speaker 1: this conversation of effectively inevitability if Biden were to step

963
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Speaker 1: aside or be pushed aside.

964
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Speaker 6: The Kamala what they call coke being coconut pilled.

965
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Speaker 3: Yes, you say, yeah, not me.

966
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Speaker 4: I have not participated in the coconut pilling, but I

967
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Speaker 4: have witnessed it and been amused by it.

968
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Speaker 6: What I think is exactly what I think is going

969
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 6: on here is that it.

970
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Speaker 4: Was pretty hard for these ironic kind of hipsters to

971
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 4: get invested in politics at all. And they really put

972
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Speaker 4: their heart and soul in the Bernie Sanders movement and

973
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Speaker 4: then what came after it, and they feel burned by it,

974
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Speaker 4: and so they are now returning to an ironic detachment.

975
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Speaker 6: And I saw somebody that's air comfort level.

976
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Speaker 4: And so I saw somebody on Twitter saying, I can't

977
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Speaker 4: actually decide and figure out which of my friends actually

978
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Speaker 4: supports Kamala Harris and which ones ironically support Kamala Harris

979
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Speaker 4: at this point, and the way to signal to the

980
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Speaker 4: world that you are ironically detached that you don't care

981
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 4: about anything is to support the most ridiculous candidate you

982
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: can possibly think of, and that would be Kamala Harris.

983
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: And so that's where that's coming from. At the same time,

984
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: the kind of Bernie left doesn't have a dog in

985
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 4: this current fight around Biden because none of the potential

986
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: replacements for him are ideologically any different. In fact, they're

987
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 4: domestically ideologically worse than Biden at least on foreign policy,

988
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 4: they don't have the same kind of stain. But it's

989
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: not like they necessarily disagree with him.

990
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Speaker 1: There's a possibility they may be somewhat better on Israel,

991
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: possible that she was a little bit dissenting in the administration.

992
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: We're hanging our hat on.

993
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Speaker 6: A lot of that, but that's not the stuff of

994
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 6: like open change.

995
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Speaker 4: That maybe slightly she's slightly less bad on genocide, and

996
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 4: so as a result, they're just dispassionately saying like, look,

997
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: if you want to beat Trump, you gotta do somebody

998
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: else figure it out.

999
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: But this is not the guy right Well, with Kamala two,

1000
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: we've seen her, I mean at this she behind the scenes,

1001
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: at the very least, has been supporting Joe Biden. She's

1002
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: also been coming out publicly. She had an event where

1003
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: she spoke to that and said, well, what about Donald

1004
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: Trump and all of his convictions and his felonies, Let's take.

1005
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 6: A listen to that.

1006
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 19: Sadly, the press has not been covering it as much

1007
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 19: as they should in proportion to the seriousness of what

1008
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 19: just happened. When the United States Supreme Court essentially told

1009
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 19: this individual who has been convicted of thirty four felonies

1010
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 19: that he will be in noon from essentially the activity

1011
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 19: he has told us he is prepared to engage in

1012
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 19: if he gets back into.

1013
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: The White House.

1014
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 19: Understand what we all know in one hundred and twenty

1015
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 19: two days, we each have the power to decide what

1016
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 19: kind of country we want to live in. Understand what

1017
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 19: we know when there has been a full, unintentional attack

1018
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 19: against hard thought, hard won freedoms and rights. When I

1019
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 19: talk about the family that raised me, yes, they took

1020
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 19: me in a stroller as they were marching and shouting

1021
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 19: for justice, knowing that justice will not be achieved unless

1022
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 19: we are prepared to march and shout and fight for it.

1023
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 8: And one of the ways we do that is through

1024
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 8: our vote.

1025
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 9: Right.

1026
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: So of course that's the infamous freedom story about Kamala Harris.

1027
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: Those who know will know they're also behind the scenes. Reportedly,

1028
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: it's put this up there the screen. In her meeting

1029
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: with these democratic governors, Crystal, she said, quote, this is

1030
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: about saving our effing democracy.

1031
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: In trying to get all of them on the line.

1032
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: What's hilarious is that three of the governors subsequently leaked

1033
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: those comments to the press. Although all of them, you know,

1034
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 2: at least for now, have stuck with Joe Biden. I believe,

1035
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: except for what is the governor of Massachusetts, she is

1036
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: the only one who's even opened the door slightly. But

1037
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsome, Gretchen Whitmer, any of the potentials, all of

1038
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: them have been brought into line, and they're not even

1039
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: floating Kamala. They're straight up like, no, I'm supporting Joe Biden.

1040
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: So the meeting appears to have worked.

1041
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1042
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of behind the scenes expressing concerns, but

1043
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: clearly no one has had the balls to tell them

1044
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: to his face. Like, that's very clear at this point.

1045
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: With regards to that Kamala clip, the reason that was

1046
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: making the rounds online is because now viewing how aduled

1047
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: Biden is looking at her just make some normal ast

1048
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: political points, people are like, this is amazing. Like, she's

1049
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: looks energetic, she's youthful, she looks fantastic in that blue

1050
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: seat suit. She's talking about Donald Trump in a way

1051
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: that is coherent, and she didn't lose her train of

1052
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: thought from the beginning of the sentence to the end

1053
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: of her sentence. We'll take it, although she will take

1054
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: it at the bar that we're also that's that's where

1055
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: we're at.

1056
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: Did we miss the bet I'm on these streets interview?

1057
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 8: She has a touch more swagger right now.

1058
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 7: Like there's something that there's something in there that flipping.

1059
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, she is feeling it.

1060
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1061
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 7: And yet to your point, Crystal about Biden not even

1062
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Speaker 7: being exposed to some of the bad news, I think

1063
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 7: that's important. One of the things we said on debate

1064
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 7: night itself was does he even have the cognitive ability

1065
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 7: to make a sound judgment on what he's doing on

1066
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Speaker 7: whether Kamala Harris, and this is a key question, he

1067
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 7: thinks he's the only person that could beat Donald Trump. Well,

1068
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Speaker 7: when you look at Kamala Harris and you jexuppose it

1069
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 7: with Joe Biden on George Staffanopolis, you realize that is

1070
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Speaker 7: patently false. And it's not as though Kamala Harris is

1071
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 7: like an amazing cam Obviously, she had to drop out

1072
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 7: before Iowa after spending a lot of money and getting

1073
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 7: a lot of donations from the Hamptons. She was doing great,

1074
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Speaker 7: uh and with the oligarchs and didn't even make it

1075
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Speaker 7: to Iowa. So she's not like the perfect candidate. But

1076
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Speaker 7: this man is he's ailing in front of us. He's

1077
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Speaker 7: got the vacant stare, the juxtaposition.

1078
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think she would lose. I think she

1079
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: would probably lose, but I think she probably still at

1080
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Speaker 2: least has a better shot.

1081
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: You know that Joe Biden.

1082
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: I think Biden is so cooked that at this point

1083
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Speaker 2: it's basically a foregone because I mean, look, I could

1084
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Speaker 2: be wrong. You know, like maybe he gets whatever, maybe

1085
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: somebody dies, like there's maybe there's a war, whatever, There's

1086
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Speaker 2: there's many mitigating circumstances up into the election. As things

1087
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Speaker 2: stand right now, I would probably bet on Kamala more, especially,

1088
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Speaker 2: like you said, if she can at least make a point.

1089
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I think she would still be a bad candidate.

1090
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 2: There would definitely be a lot of work for Trump.

1091
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: He would still likely be in the winning position. But

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Speaker 2: you don't just shift things around a little bit, because

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Speaker 2: right now you're riding so high on just look at

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00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: the man.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is the best you can possibly get.

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Speaker 3: That's right when you're Donald's.

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Speaker 1: And every single speech, interaction, everything from Biden will be

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Speaker 1: scrutinized from here on out, and you have all of

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00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: these clips of like you know, Adam Schiff and all

1100
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: of these people saying basically he's too old, right, this

1101
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: is you know, this is outrageous. He really needs to

1102
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Speaker 1: think hard and that seems very difficult to recover from.

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Speaker 1: From a political perspective, Ryan, how could this all play out?

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00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: And one of the things that you know, the Biden

1105
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: defenders are saying is like, well, we had a democratic process.

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00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: Millions of voters chose Joe Biden. Of course they leave

1107
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: out the fact that there was no democratic process. They

1108
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: would not agree to any debates with the candidates who

1109
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: did run against Joe Biden. In certain states, they just

1110
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Speaker 1: literally canceled the primary altogether. So it's a bit rich

1111
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: for them at this point to you know, fall back

1112
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Speaker 1: on that democratic process. But you know, do you think

1113
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: that it is inevitable that it would be Kamala? Is

1114
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: there somehow would an open convention play out? Or the

1115
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: mini primary that Jim Clyburn is footing alcohol? What are

1116
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: some alternative ways that this could unfold?

1117
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: It does feel inevitable just because of the cowardice and

1118
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: power of the party establishment. Yeah, but the way it

1119
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 4: could unfold is that if Biden said, look, I'm stepping

1120
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Speaker 4: down and I think that there should be an open convention.

1121
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: Then his delegates are now released. The second question, though,

1122
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: is if any of the candidates have the courage to

1123
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 4: actually put their names in, Like Knewsom, Whim or all

1124
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: these others were afraid to challenge Biden when he was

1125
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 4: eminently beatable because they're worried a they challenge him, come

1126
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: up short, and then they're nuked when it comes to

1127
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: party loyalty. Or they beat him, but they're so damaged

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Speaker 4: at that point that they lose to Trump, then they're

1129
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: also nuked. So for a variety of different reasons, all

1130
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 4: of them took a pass at that. They might take

1131
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: the same pass with Kamala Harris because they might say, look,

1132
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 4: I probably can't beat Kamala because so many people are

1133
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: rallying behind her so quickly, and if I do beat her,

1134
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 4: I might lose to Trump, in which case I'm toast

1135
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 4: so from their cynical perspective.

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Speaker 1: And she is money probably likely to lose, and she's

1137
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: probably so they could bet on twenty twenty eight, maybe

1138
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: a better spot for me.

1139
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 4: Right on the one hand, if Trump wins, there'll never

1140
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: be another presidential election ever in the history of America.

1141
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 6: But from their.

1142
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: But there's this is what's interesting is they're saying both things.

1143
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 4: If Trump wins, there will never be another election. Meanwhile,

1144
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 4: I think we're going to wait.

1145
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 6: Until twenty eight.

1146
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: It's bulls. But as usual for these people, let's.

1147
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Put C five up on the screen. This was some

1148
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: This is a Democratic pollster that I believe does pulling

1149
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: either for Biden campaign or a Biden super pack. So

1150
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: it is very like in the firmament of the Democratic elite.

1151
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: This polster the Scott Leaf and they did the trial

1152
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: heats with different potential Biden replacements. This particular poll does

1153
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: have Harris narrowly outperforming him in the polls. And I

1154
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: think also going for her is the fact that she

1155
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: could actually campaign and like formulate a coherent sentence from

1156
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: here on out, and the conversation wouldn't just exclusively be

1157
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: about how old she is. But she is the weakest

1158
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: of the potential replacements. Actually, the person who comes in

1159
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: the strongest in these poles is good old Pete Boudagig.

1160
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer is right there alongside of him, and she

1161
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: has the advantage of Michigan. I think would pretty much

1162
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: be a lock for her. She's very popular there for whatever,

1163
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: I genuinely I am not really sure what the reason is.

1164
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: I just haven't followed it that closely. And this isn't

1165
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to be snarky. In any case,

1166
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: I think she would do very well in Michigan and

1167
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: probably other Midwestern states as well. That makes her a

1168
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: strong contender. Newsome also does a little bit better than

1169
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: Kama based on these trial He's you know, this is

1170
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: all very highly theoretical. You never know how the slings

1171
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: and arrows of a campaign are going to go. One

1172
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: of the things, Emily that they point out in that

1173
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: case for Harris memo is that she's a known quantity.

1174
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: She's been vetted.

1175
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 11: Yep.

1176
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: They know there's no surprises. They know what the weaknesses are.

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00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: They also know what they could bolster her with and

1178
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: what potential strengths would be. In my opinion, though, that

1179
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: cuts both ways, because there's really no element of surprise

1180
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: for the Trump campaign. They know how to take on

1181
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. They've been thinking about how to take on

1182
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. They have all the opposition research on Kamala Harris.

1183
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: They know exactly what to do there Whereas if you

1184
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: end up with Tim Walls, who's the governor of Minnesota,

1185
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: and Andy Basheer, who is very popular Democratic governor of Kentucky.

1186
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: If you end up with someone who's a lesser known quantity,

1187
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: on the one hand, you take a risk because they

1188
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: haven't been as nationally vetted. On the other hand, you

1189
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: kind of have an element of surprise where it may

1190
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: be more difficult for the Trump campaign to be able

1191
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: to cope with.

1192
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with that.

1193
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 7: Going you have to scramble and expend significant resources doing

1194
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 7: all of that background and OPO and trying to figure

1195
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 7: out your strategy.

1196
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's absolutely true.

1197
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 7: On the other hand, Kamala Harris benefits from being the

1198
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 7: actual vice president. I mean, it's kind of easy to

1199
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 7: bloss over that because she's been somewhat laughable in her

1200
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 7: position as vice president, But she's the vice president of

1201
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 7: the United States, which when you're going around and talking

1202
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 7: to people, you can talk about your experiences with foreign leaders,

1203
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 7: you can talk about your experience having you know, been

1204
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 7: in the oval office and been right next to the.

1205
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: President makes it easier for people to imagine you in

1206
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: the commandergy.

1207
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 7: Then, on the other hand, it also implicates her in

1208
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 7: this potential cover up we were talking about the ursioning

1209
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 7: potential Parkinson scandal. If that is that starts to bubble

1210
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 7: to the surface more than it has so far, that

1211
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 7: is really really tough for Kamala Harris.

1212
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: I think, what the best thing? Here's the other thing too.

1213
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: We are all living in la la land with this

1214
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: idea that just because it's July, that it's too early.

1215
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 16: No.

1216
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: For basically our entire history up until the nineteen eighties,

1217
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: the candidates were not known until like a couple of

1218
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: months before the election.

1219
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: It's it is fine, it's normal. I'm not saying it's

1220
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 3: the best.

1221
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: I'd probably like the idea of getting to know people

1222
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: over at two year period, but reverting back to that

1223
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 2: open convention strategy, that's plenty of time. The vast majority

1224
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: of Americans do not pay attention to the election till

1225
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: three weeks before election day.

1226
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 9: That's it.

1227
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: It's really only a month the irl election for most

1228
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: people were walking around and they go, Okay, how am

1229
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: I actually going to vote here? There's nothing wrong with

1230
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: having an open, contested convention. I think the biggest mistake

1231
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: that either Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsom made and it's

1232
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: likely to hear calculus Ryan that they would still lose

1233
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: and they can just wait for twenty twenty eight. Is

1234
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: they should have said, Biden, I'll see you in Chicago.

1235
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm going for the nomination. I mean, imagine that if

1236
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: we had a single rallying candidate who's not part of

1237
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: the administration, Boom, the establishment breaks wide open. Adam Schiff

1238
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: and everybody else the day after the convention can coalesce

1239
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: around this single person. The donors be like, we have

1240
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: our candidate. We are going to Chicago. All the uncommitted

1241
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: you know people, how much money you want?

1242
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: All right, let's go. We know you guys are all

1243
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: going behind this person. And then that's it.

1244
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: We actually have a process now quashing the Mark Warner meeting.

1245
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: Kamala is implicated. Her owl is not that great. It's

1246
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: like fine enough. I think we're on a on a

1247
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: coasting you know thing already. You know, by the way,

1248
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: while we were all talking, Biden just sent a letter

1249
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: to all members of House Democrats and on the primaries,

1250
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: they say, do we now just say that the process

1251
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: didn't matter, that the voters didn't have their say right,

1252
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: but this is the shroud. This is the shroud that

1253
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: they will hide behind their shameless and disgusting but that's

1254
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: what they do. Race and race and the democrayes small

1255
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: deed democracy all.

1256
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: It's just that's all they know.

1257
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he didn't say goodest.

1258
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 9: This is.

1259
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: Two things I want to just point out about the

1260
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris piece. There's been a lot of discussion online.

1261
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: Number One, that the Biden war chest could only go

1262
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: to Kamala Harris, which is like two hundred and thirty

1263
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: six million dollars something like that. Nothing to sneeze that.

1264
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: On the one hand, you already have a donor who's

1265
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: like always one hundred million dollars for whoever the alternative is.

1266
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: There will be plenty of money for the Democratic nominee,

1267
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: I promise you. And also I saw some reporting that

1268
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: that's not even true. So that's one of the things

1269
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: that's being used to bolster her case, and I don't

1270
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: think that that's a particularly strong point. The other thing

1271
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: that's being used to bolster that what we got to

1272
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: go with Biden is just complete and utter nonsense, which

1273
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: is the idea that Biden is already on the ballots

1274
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: and there's no changing it. He hasn't even been officially

1275
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: nominated yet. Of course that's not true. And the one

1276
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: state where there was an issue with that Ohio, and

1277
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: David Dan did great reporting on this and we talked

1278
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: about it on the show as well. They already passed

1279
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: legislation to change their deadlines for their ballots. So that's

1280
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: all completely bunk in terms of those talking points.

1281
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: Right, they've already changed that. They're not going to keep

1282
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 4: him off. They're not going to keep a candidate off

1283
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 4: the Ohio ballot.

1284
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 6: They're just not. Also, they're not going to win Ohio.

1285
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 4: They could run a write in campaign and write and

1286
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 4: run it on the indignity and the undemocratic nature of

1287
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 4: them keeping us off the campaign, and people would go

1288
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 4: out angry, write in whoever's name, and then they'd vote

1289
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: for Shared Brown at the same time. Right, the financial

1290
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 4: question is is not serious either. At at very worst,

1291
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: what the campaign would have to do is return some

1292
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: money to major donors, who would then just cut the

1293
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 4: money again like that happens. Like that happens in campaigns

1294
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 4: when people swap out or swap from state to federal

1295
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: or whatever, and then the rest if they can just

1296
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 4: move it over to the d n C.

1297
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 6: Like it's not they're just they're just making up excuses.

1298
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 4: At this point, France called an election, put together a coalition,

1299
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 4: ran the election, voted.

1300
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they put together the equivalent of the burning coalition.

1301
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 4: And had the vote and counrying them in less time

1302
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 4: than it takes us to count just the votes from

1303
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 4: like Philadelphia.

1304
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 3: France's population is sixty seven million, So like, can we

1305
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: do it in what?

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Speaker 9: Three?

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Speaker 3: So they did? Will you do it in six?

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Speaker 1: All right, Joe Biden tells me the Land of Possibilities.

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Speaker 2: My dad always said, Joey and then insert fake story.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the media.

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Speaker 9: This is one.

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Speaker 2: This is a fantastic scandal that has erupted. And you

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Speaker 2: guys will recall last week I said, Joe Biden is

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Speaker 2: actually doing two interviews with two black radio hosts, and

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Speaker 2: they didn't even bring you anything from them because they

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Speaker 2: were useless and boring. It turns out, though, that the

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Speaker 2: White House actually fed the questions to those reporters ahead

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Speaker 2: of time, and this was called out and revealed in

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Speaker 2: a CNN interview.

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Speaker 9: Let's take a listen something.

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Speaker 20: I listened to both of them and there's something that's

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 20: similarly here. Each were you asked four questions, and maybe

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Speaker 20: that's what you were allowed to ask by the campaign

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Speaker 20: or the White House, but they were essentially the same questions.

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Speaker 20: Both interviews about accomplishments progressing your respective state, what's at

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Speaker 20: stake in the election, what he has to say about

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Speaker 20: his debate performance, and what he would say to voters

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Speaker 20: who think their vote doesn't matter or might sit this

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Speaker 20: election out. Were those questions given to you by the

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Speaker 20: White House or did you have for the campaign or

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Speaker 20: did you have to submit questions head of this interview?

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Speaker 11: The questions were sent to me for approval.

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Speaker 9: I approved to them.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 20: So the White House sent the questions to you ahead

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Speaker 20: of the interview, Yes, okay.

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Speaker 17: I got several questions, eight of them, and the four

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Speaker 17: that were chosen with the ones that I approved, okay.

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Speaker 20: And the reason I ask it's not a criticism of

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Speaker 20: either of you. It's just that if the White House

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01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 20: is trying now to prove the vim vigor acuity of

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Speaker 20: the president, I don't know how they do that by

1343
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 20: sending questions first before the interview so that the president

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Speaker 20: knows what's coming.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's worse is taking questions from the

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Speaker 2: White House and asking them straight up, approving those questions,

1347
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Speaker 2: asking those questions, and then admitting it or you should

1348
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: have just been straight up not admitted it, because this

1349
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Speaker 2: is totally crazy.

1350
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Speaker 3: This is not standard operating procedure. Even behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you the Trump White House asked me

1352
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: plenty of times what I was going to ask Trump,

1353
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: and I never gave them the answer. But even they

1354
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: did not have the audacity to say, here are some

1355
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: questions that you should ask Trump. And that was the

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01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: Trump people. So, Ryan, have you ever confronted anything like

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01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: this in your entire journalism career.

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Speaker 6: I've never had anybody try to suggest questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually like prescript.

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Speaker 9: Like maybe topic.

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Speaker 4: I definitely have people reach out and say, hey, so

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Speaker 4: and so is going to introduce a bill on bastday.

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Speaker 6: Would you like to do an interview on that?

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Speaker 9: Maybe?

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Speaker 4: And then yeah, And then the ground rules were always

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Speaker 4: you can ask whatever you want, right, but like you know,

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Speaker 4: ask about the bill.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's an understanding that you'll throw

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Speaker 1: them a question or two about whatever thing, their book

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Speaker 1: or the bill or whatever. But then if you have

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Speaker 1: any shred of integrity. You're not gonna just you're not

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Speaker 1: even gonna accept just will stay to this topic. Let alone,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you your prescripted questions. And then,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the more important by the way, that

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01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: host has now.

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Speaker 3: Lost her that weekend position, please, And the other one.

1377
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Speaker 1: Went on to admit that he also received the questions

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01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: in advance and approved the same four questions, which is

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Speaker 1: just insane. Obviously, the more consequential thing here, Emily, you know,

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Speaker 1: apart from these two quote unquote journalists, is this is

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01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: where we're at with by like even these short radio

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01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: interviews where they clearly picked hosts that we're going to

1383
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: be super friendly. And the thing about a radio interview

1384
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: is you don't have to get the visual, and you

1385
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: can have an aid right there passing you notes, you

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01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: can have your talking points in front of you. So

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Speaker 1: it is the easiest possible interview you can do. And

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Speaker 1: even then they didn't think he could handle it unless

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Speaker 1: he had prescripted questions with prescripted answers.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's horrible.

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Speaker 7: It's just he's supposed to be doing a press conference

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Speaker 7: later this week. Yeah, allegedly, we'll see if that actually.

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Speaker 1: Goes the NATO summit.

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Speaker 7: That is the Yeah, there's the NATO summit. This is

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Speaker 7: a huge this week in particular. You know, Playbook reported

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Speaker 7: this morning that somehows Democrats behind the scenes are saying

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01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 7: they're giving it until Friday. This is the week where

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 7: Biden tests himself. They're all back here in DC after

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Speaker 7: the fourth of July. He's already failed the test so clearly,

1400
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 7: so clearly. Even in the George stuff and all Pulis interview,

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 7: which apparently wasn't edited, it was about twenty minutes long.

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Speaker 9: He looked.

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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 7: I was going to say it was a vacant stare,

1404
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 7: but it's not. It's confused. He looks confused. He's whispering oddly.

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01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 7: And now they have to stage manage the easiest possible

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Speaker 7: thing for a politician with a fifty year career.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Look, we would not even accept this type of conduct

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: from a city council member, let alone the sitting president

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Speaker 2: of the United States.

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Speaker 3: It's ab absolutely nuts.

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01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: We also can show you a few other instances of

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: people covering themselves in glory. We've got Joe Scarborough here

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01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of what it was black before what

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: it was like then afterwards, and how it so suddenly

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Speaker 2: one can change their tune.

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Speaker 9: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 21: And he needs to answer the question is he capable

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01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 21: of moving forward? And he knows he needs to answer

1420
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 21: that question. He needs to answer it in interviews, he

1421
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 21: needs to answer it in press conferences. He needs to

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01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 21: answer the NATO some he needs to answer it in

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01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 21: everything that he does. That's for the rest of us,

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01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 21: and that's Democrats, that's independence, that's Republicans of good faith.

1425
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 21: Let's be smart. Let's take a deep breath. Let's understand,

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Speaker 21: it's only July the fifth. Such an historic decision should

1427
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Speaker 21: not be made in haste.

1428
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 2: Such a historic decision should not be made in haste.

1429
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: And this man has now changed his story three separate times. First,

1430
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: Biden was the most cogent president of all time. Then

1431
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: maybe he needed to go, and now there is haste.

1432
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Speaker 2: There's actually a Twitter user that cut all of this together.

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to all three.

1434
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Speaker 22: But I undersold him when I said he was cogent.

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Speaker 22: He's far beyond cogent. In fact, I think he's better

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Speaker 22: than he's ever been. This is a battle for the

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 22: future of American democracy. And now is a good time

1438
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 22: in June. God in June, in not October.

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Speaker 21: In June, this is the last chance for Democrats to

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01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 21: decide whether this man we've known and loved for a

1441
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 21: very long time.

1442
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 9: Is up to the task.

1443
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 21: As for the rest of us, and that's Democrats, that's independence,

1444
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 21: that's Republicans of good faith. Let's be smart, Let's take

1445
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 21: a deep breath. Let's understand, it's only July the fifth.

1446
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 21: Such an historic decision should not be made in haste.

1447
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Speaker 3: All right, So what do we think, folks.

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Speaker 7: It's worth pointing out in that first clip, it was

1449
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 7: in an extended brag about how he had just spent

1450
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 7: time with Joe Biden. So he was speaking from his

1451
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 7: personal experience, having spent I think it was four hours

1452
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 7: with Joe Biden just several months ago, so recently, and

1453
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 7: Joe Biden went to Joe Biden. Josscarborough went on the

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01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 7: show the next day to brag about how he had

1455
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 7: just spent all this personal time with Joe Biden and

1456
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 7: he's more than coaching, he's the most coach.

1457
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: The best he's ever been. And the only one of

1458
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: those comments that were not actively run by the White

1459
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: House before coming out of his mouth. Was the second

1460
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: one where he's like, listen, the times is like clock

1461
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: is tiken. This is existential. We got to pull this

1462
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: guy from the ticket. And then the next one it's

1463
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: very very important. He couldn't walk that all the way back.

1464
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: But this is the white House plan is run out

1465
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: the clock. So for Scarborough to come out there, this.

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Speaker 3: Is just July.

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01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: We got plenty of time. We got to think about

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Speaker 1: this carefully. That's exactly that's what the White House wants

1469
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: right now. That's why the NATO Summit press conferencing is

1470
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: until Thursday. Right, let another week go by where Democrats

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 1: are still twiddling their thumbs and going, gee, I don't

1472
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: know whether we should pull the plug or not. We

1473
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: got to think more about we got to see more

1474
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: interactions from him. That's why these things have dribbled out

1475
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: so slowly, because that's precisely what they want.

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Speaker 6: That's pretty cynical.

1477
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 4: But right after Thursday, then let's spend the weekend debating

1478
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 4: whether or not he said, you know, we have the

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: goodest relationship.

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Speaker 6: With NATO or a good ass relationship with NATO.

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Speaker 4: And then and then it's mon Monday as good as

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01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 4: and then it's Monday, and he scheduled something for like

1483
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 4: the next Monday. And then there's a Republican convention, right,

1484
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 4: and it's like, well, you know what, actually, guys, we

1485
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 4: just nominated him in a zoom session.

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Speaker 6: Don't worry about it. We're done.

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01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 9: This is good.

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: That's how we get things done. These people are shameless.

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Speaker 2: We've also got this example from the New York Times.

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. They are

1491
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: now admitting and they say Biden lapses are said to

1492
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 2: be increasingly common and worrisome, when months ago they published

1493
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 2: this quote for Joe Biden what seems like age might

1494
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 2: instead be styled. I'll tell you also what drove me

1495
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 2: crazy about this Biden lapses are said to be increasingly

1496
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: common and worrisome. Is they cite the very clips, Crystal

1497
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Speaker 2: that we played here on this show a mere what

1498
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, which their own newspaper said Biden dogged

1499
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 2: by unfairly edited videos and interviews. So they cite the

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Speaker 2: videos in the story videos of him shown one around

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01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: which they allegedly had debunked a mere two weeks before that. Yeah,

1502
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 2: and followed these the White House line. So they're shameless.

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01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean the way that they're able to turn on

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01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 2: a dime in a certain sense, like I you know,

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, okay, it's at least it's.

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Speaker 3: Glad to have.

1507
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: It's glad to welcome to the party, right, like we've

1508
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: been there for five years, but you know, welcome here.

1509
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,799
Speaker 2: So at least I don't feel like I've been crazy

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01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: this entire time. But in another sense, I mean the

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01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: damage that they did previously. In a certain way, I

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01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 2: feel bad for the normy Democrat who has just been

1513
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: reading the New New York Times.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, he's fine, these videos were bullet but they

1515
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: didn't even buy it. I mean, what do you have?

1516
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the electricty says it's too old.

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 3: He said he was too old.

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: It's not like the propaganda really worked that well.

1519
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: Fair enough, but they're like, what's with it?

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Speaker 6: Ish?

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: Matt Iglesias is out with a new column this morning

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01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 2: and he's like, I was wrong about Biden. And he

1524
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: has that famous photo where it's like I saw I

1525
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: saw the rabbit while everyone saw the duck. But now

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01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: I see the duck, and it's like it's like, okay,

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01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean great, I'm glad you're here, you spend a

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01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: lot of time attacking and going out.

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01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 3: He even emits.

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01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: He even admits in his column, I thought that all

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: of the videos were unfairly edited, and I think that

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01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: is where like the brain of everything I'm seeing is

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01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: propaganda and not being honest and at least doing a

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01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: little bit of a deep dive yourself that Okay, maybe

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: it was cut off. Let's watch the full video. Full

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: video is actually way worse, folks. Yeah, it turns out

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01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: to be worse than what we're The cheap.

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01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 7: Fig cope was the shiny object, and it was what

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01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 7: it was comfortable, what they needed with, and it was

1540
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 7: anti Republican, it was anti conservative. So it was just

1541
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 7: an easy, comfortable thing to go with. And it's not

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 7: going to be a lesson Matt Iglesias is not going

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 7: to change, you know, five years from now when there's

1544
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 7: a similar thing that it's just easy to do it now.

1545
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 7: It's only happening because everybody saw it on the debate stage.

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 7: It's the same with John Fetterman.

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01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 17: What what was it?

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Speaker 7: Dasha Burns did that tough interview with John Fetterman and

1549
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 7: got attacked for doing that.

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: It's you know, I noticed the same thing as you

1551
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: those dagger It's like now that the lens has clicked

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01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: into place. One of the articles I don't remember. I

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01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: it was that New York Times, one of the Washington

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01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: Post one or one of the other ones that brought

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01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: up the where's Jackie Yeah moment were playing at our

1556
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: live shows. But that's the landscape piece in now, and

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01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any going back from that, because

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: they do feel embarrassed and tricked and lied to, et cetera.

1559
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: But the writing was on the wall, I mean, as

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01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: reclient to his credit, one of the things he pointed

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01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: out in his piece making the case for why Biden

1562
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,520
Speaker 1: should step aside why Democrats should push for another nominee,

1563
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: was he's like, look, not only do we have these

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01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: public instances of issues, but he's not doing much and

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01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: that's a red flag. The super Bowl interview being a

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: primary case in point of if this guy is so sharp,

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: better than he's ever been, as Joe Scarborough is trying

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01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: to make us believe, then why don't you put him

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: out to the public and prove that. And the answer

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: to that has always been blazy obvious. If you cared

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01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: to use your brain for five seconds to think about it.

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, last thoughts Ryan before we move on.

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01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's screwed because of that exact dynamic.

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just you can't gee it, you can't.

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 6: Get out of it.

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 3: All right, we had to put this in there, a

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 3: little bit of blue and on action.

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01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 2: If you thought that Maga and other folks were deranged previously,

1579
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 2: they are giving them a run for their money. Recently,

1580
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: there's a new conspiracy about how ABC News has been

1581
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 2: intentionally sabotaging Joe Biden. Let's go ahead and put this

1582
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This specifically has to do

1583
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: with their audio. So we're going to play one part

1584
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 2: of the interview and then another, and then the tweet

1585
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: will be up there explaining it.

1586
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

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01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 10: You know, the heart of your case against Donald Trump

1588
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 10: is that he's only out for himself, putting his personal

1589
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 10: interest ahead of the national interest. How do you respond

1590
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 10: to critics who say that by staying in the race,

1591
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 10: you're doing the same thing.

1592
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 11: Oh come on, well, I don't think those critics know

1593
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 11: with you talking about they're just wrong.

1594
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 22: There's wrong.

1595
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 11: Look, Trump is a pathological liar. Trump is he is?

1596
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 12: Have you ever seen anything Trump did the benefit of

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01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 12: HMSEW somebody else about him?

1598
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 21: You can't answer.

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01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 10: I no, I've questioned him in his allies as persistently

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01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:22,839
Speaker 10: as any journalist.

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 5: Well, I know you have.

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01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 12: I'm not being critical. Yeah, I'm not paying critical. But look,

1603
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 12: I mean, the man is a congenital liar, as I said.

1604
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 12: They pointed out in that debated life twenty seven, twenty

1605
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 12: eight times, the Times or whatever number over twenty times talk.

1606
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 11: About how as good his economy was, how he brought.

1607
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,759
Speaker 10: Down You know, the heart of your case against Donald

1608
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 10: Trump is that he's only out for himself, putting his

1609
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 10: personal interests ahead of the national interest. How do you

1610
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 10: respond to critics We say that by staying in the race,

1611
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 10: you're doing the same thing.

1612
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 11: Oh come on, Well, I don't think those critics know

1613
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 11: what they're talking about. They're just wrong.

1614
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 3: It is wrong.

1615
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 11: Look, Trump is a pathological liar. Trump is he is.

1616
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 11: Have you ever seen anything Trump did that benefits of

1617
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 11: saw somebody else, not him? I'm not U can't answer,

1618
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 11: right now.

1619
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 10: I've questioned him in his allies as persistently as any journalist.

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01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 11: Well, I know you have. I'm not paying critical. I'm

1621
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 11: not paying critical.

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 12: But look, I mean, the man is a congeneral liar,

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01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 12: as I said, they pointed out in that debated lie

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 12: twenty seven twenty eight times the times or whatever number

1625
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 12: over twenty times.

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 2: All right, So to get into the specifics of the conspiracy,

1627
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: they say, if you want definitive proof ABC destroyed the

1628
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: audio in the Biden interview, here you go.

1629
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 3: Left is the original audio, Right is the d noise audio.

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01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 2: Biden's mike was quote eq pick up as much low

1631
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: end and high end ambient noise as possible, which is

1632
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 2: why his voice sounds so much more distorted than George Stephanopolis.

1633
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 2: Even with audio removal or with noise removal, the audio

1634
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 2: is beyond salvaging. You can listen for yourself, Biden team,

1635
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: if you're listening, never do another network interviewer speech unless

1636
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 2: your own audio engineers get to set up the equipment.

1637
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: This has over ten thousand retweets. However, our own, our

1638
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: own audio engineer, our own expert who runs this show

1639
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: and who is an absolute professional, says this.

1640
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 3: It appears.

1641
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: It is a common location recording setup with two mics

1642
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: into a simple field audio mixer with an extremely soft

1643
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: spoken speaker like Biden, is here. His mic level actually

1644
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 2: has to be raised up dramatically, which in turn brings

1645
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 2: up all the ambient noise source in the room. Perhaps

1646
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: the video could have done a better job in post

1647
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: processing to reduce that noise before broadcast. But the bottom

1648
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: line is I see nothing conspiratorial going on here. That

1649
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 2: is from our very own thank audio engineer and the

1650
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: control room.

1651
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: Right now, there's sad.

1652
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 8: Similar things about the debate, and yes they did.

1653
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 7: It's really important to note that Biden is going from

1654
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 7: a whisper to a shout. He was completely like going

1655
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,440
Speaker 7: from extreme.

1656
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,520
Speaker 8: To another extreme. That's right, So God blessed the audio engineers.

1657
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 9: Yeah right, it's actually very difficult.

1658
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: Also, I love the idea that the only issue was

1659
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: that his voice was off. Yes, not the content of

1660
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: the like we finally beat Medicare. No, that wasn't the problem.

1661
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: It was that was the issue here, Ryan Ran, We've

1662
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 2: been watching this now all week. The level of conspiracy

1663
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: is insane. One of them, in particular, Aaron Rupart let's

1664
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 2: put this up there. Glenn Greenwaald I believe, dubbed him

1665
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 2: the Twitter dunce. He says Biden's age and poor debate

1666
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 2: showing is obviously a legit story. But what we've seen

1667
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 2: over the last week is a hysterical feeding frenzy aim

1668
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 2: at the combination of self indication, settling old scores, claiming

1669
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: a scalp, the desire of some in the media to

1670
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 2: have Trump back in power. If Biden can't campaign, he

1671
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 2: should consider passing the torch. But the elite press and

1672
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 2: especially the New York Times, is desperately trying to will

1673
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 2: this into existence, and it's really gross. So now it's

1674
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 2: the media's fault for covering the story accurately for the

1675
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 2: very first time.

1676
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 4: Ryan, And what you're seeing from people like Rupar is

1677
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 4: pressure that's coming from two directions. One is the obvious

1678
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 4: that you know, access to the White House to being

1679
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 4: an influencer, like that's Rupar's thing at this point. But

1680
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 4: there is also this die hard, dedicated Blue Magaband of

1681
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 4: supporters of Biden who are in Rupar's feed kind of

1682
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 4: cheering him on. Like anybody who is engaging with Blue

1683
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 4: Maga like rupar Is now is seeing upticks in support,

1684
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 4: in donations, in like engagements, all of the things.

1685
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 23: And so.

1686
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 4: If that's also potentially beneficial to you when it comes

1687
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 4: to access to the White House.

1688
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 3: Everything's a lie.

1689
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: The audience capture and the desire to continue to be

1690
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: invited to the White House Christmas Party and all together.

1691
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 4: Except it's still it's still increas, still incredibly nice.

1692
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's not even that great.

1693
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's still terribly embarrassing.

1694
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 4: And so you've seen people like Rupar start to make

1695
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 4: a turn recently where they've been saying, okay, uh, Biden

1696
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 4: is great, and I am correct, but the media is

1697
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 4: so hostile towards him that that has created an objective

1698
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 4: condition where Biden can't win. And so despite the fact

1699
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 4: that Biden is right and I am right, actually Biden

1700
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 4: should step aside.

1701
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 6: Because of the but not because of the media.

1702
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: Biden is the degraded. It's because the media, the need

1703
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: to the media. I saw these things too where people

1704
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 1: were like, look at how many articles they're doing on Biden,

1705
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's like, this is a really important

1706
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: story on every level right Who is running the country

1707
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: right now, that's important to know. This man has the

1708
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: nuclear codes. That seemed kind of significant. We have, you know,

1709
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: what's being framed, but as an existential election coming up,

1710
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: who's going to be the nominee. Was there a gigantic

1711
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: cover up? Was he diagnosed with some with Parkinson's or

1712
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: something else that they kept for the American people, Like,

1713
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: it's hard to think of something in the political realm

1714
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: that could possibly be a bigger story than this. Yeah,

1715
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: So to be like, you're covering this story a lot,

1716
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, yes, finally they should have been covering

1717
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: the story a lot the whole time.

1718
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 7: It comes from this place like fundamentally not wanting to admit,

1719
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 7: as Chuck Todd almost did you almost did it, he said,

1720
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 7: the Biden we saw in the debate looked like the

1721
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 7: Republican caricatures.

1722
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and so for the root parts of the world.

1723
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 7: It fundamentally comes from this instinct to say that anything

1724
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 7: that was coming from conservative media Republicans is categorically wrong

1725
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 7: and disgusting. Right, so we were the left, by the way,

1726
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 7: Well yeah, of course, yeah, absolutely, so that we we

1727
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 7: cannot possibly validate it because it means we were wrong

1728
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 7: for years.

1729
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, you're exactly right.

1730
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: I mean, the entire thing is just completely insane, and

1731
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: you're going to keep watching it, guys, this is going

1732
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: to just continue. Biden is clinging as hard as he

1733
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 2: can tomorrow. While we were on the show, Biden called

1734
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: into Morning Joe and went off again about why.

1735
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 3: He's going to remain in the race. He's not letting go.

1736
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 2: And the Rupars and all of them of the world,

1737
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 2: they will continue this. They will say it's the media's fault.

1738
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: And already the vicious attacks have began on the Brian

1739
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 2: Stelters of the world and others who again are just

1740
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: beginning to wake up and do their job. So the

1741
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: first time in five years. So that's it, John Saki.

1742
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: They're just going after Jen Sockey. She's not slavish enough,

1743
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: and she's not even like aggressively calling from the step down,

1744
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: and he's just saying, like, you.

1745
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 6: Know, I'm not so sure, right, but I didn't think

1746
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 6: it was.

1747
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 2: Great a Russia Sockey, right, Yeah, this is I mean,

1748
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 2: this is as bad as MAGA. So everyone talks about

1749
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 2: the cult.

1750
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 21: This is it.

1751
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: You're in a straight up cult. If you're one of

1752
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: these people, good luck and we'll see how it goes.

1753
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: All right, We've got Abigail Disney standing by for an interview.

1754
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

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01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: So, Joe Biden has never had a huge grassroots fundraising base,

1756
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: he has had to rely much more on large donors.

1757
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: So as we think about what his political future may

1758
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: be very important to consider what those donors think about

1759
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: what his political future should be. Let's go and put

1760
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: this up on the screen front CNBC. This is very noteworthy.

1761
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: Disney airis wealthy Democratic donors say they won't finance the

1762
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: party until Joe Biden drops out. They go on to

1763
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: indicate that Abigail Disney, who is the granddaughter of Roy Disney,

1764
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: who co founded Walt Disney Company, told CNBC on Thursday

1765
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: she plans to withhold donations to the party she has

1766
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,719
Speaker 1: funded for years until President Biden drops out of the race.

1767
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: And we are very fortunate to be joined this morning

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01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: by Abigail Disney herself. Great to see Abigail, great to

1769
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 1: see you. So just tell us what you are doing

1770
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: and what has brought you to this point.

1771
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Speaker 23: Well, obviously Biden's debate performance was incredibly upsetting, and it

1772
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 23: just you know, part of the reason that this whole

1773
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 23: reaction has been so swift and so extreme is that

1774
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 23: the the debate just confirmed the concerns we were already

1775
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 23: trying to look past. So it just passed the point

1776
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 23: of no return. And most of America felt the same way.

1777
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 23: I hate that the party is trying to convince us

1778
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 23: that we didn't see what we plainly saw.

1779
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: Had you had any personal interactions with him at fundraisers

1780
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: or anything like that that had caused you for concern

1781
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: initially because some of the reporting we've seen, as other

1782
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: donors say, he only speaks off the teleprompter, it's only

1783
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: for six minutes, it's difficult to hear him, et cetera,

1784
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: et cetera. Those concerns were pushed aside by AIDS, and

1785
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: now they're sort of undeniable that there's a larger problem.

1786
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 23: There, right right, Well, this isn't based on any personal

1787
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 23: interactions I've had with it might haven't not since he

1788
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 23: was a senator. But I will say that just watching

1789
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 23: him walk from point A to point B, you know,

1790
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 23: when he's going out to the helicopter, I can see

1791
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 23: in his gate that it's not a healthy gate. You know,

1792
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 23: we've all had aging parents, you know, I know what

1793
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 23: the signs are. And this is not to say that

1794
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 23: in this very distinct moment today is he incapable of

1795
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 23: being president. He's asking for a four year job, and

1796
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 23: that's what we're talking about and that's why we're so concerned.

1797
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Abigail, the last time that we spoke, we talked

1798
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: a lot about just like the impact of generational wealth

1799
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 2: and all of that. But I am curious because that

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01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: appears now to be turned against you by President Biden

1801
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 2: and his White House.

1802
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: Let's put this up.

1803
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 2: There on the screen from Ron Klain, he's the former

1804
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: chief of staff at the White House. He says, we

1805
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 2: are the Democratic Party. These people he's referring to major

1806
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 2: Democratic donors, don't get to decide to oust a pro labor,

1807
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: pro people president, almost framing this as some sort of

1808
01:24:59,240 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: class content.

1809
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:01,560
Speaker 3: How do you see that, you know, because I know

1810
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 3: you're very conscientious about these things.

1811
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's rich actually from the very middle center of

1812
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 23: the mainstream Democratic Party, because we know that big donors

1813
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 23: have played just as big a role in that party

1814
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 23: as they have in the Republican Party. I don't like

1815
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 23: it that, as one person, I can express my opinion

1816
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 23: on the phone on a phone call, and have a

1817
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 23: phone call leaked, and then have this much of a hoop.

1818
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 23: I've thrown around the fact that I, just one person,

1819
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 23: have decided what I've decided. No single donor or no

1820
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 23: group of donors should ever have this kind of power,

1821
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 23: and we should all take away from this lesson about.

1822
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 9: The need to get the money out of politics.

1823
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 23: But as long as I have a platform, whether it's

1824
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 23: earned or not, I'm going to use it because I

1825
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 23: feel us walking into a terrible, terrible election.

1826
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 4: Well, Abigail, speaking of donors who probably have too much power,

1827
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 4: I recently interviewed Dimitri Melhorns, who I'm sure you're I'm

1828
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 4: familiar with, and he privately and also publicly in our interview,

1829
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 4: is one of the most steadfast defenders of Biden's staying

1830
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 4: in the race.

1831
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 6: I wanted to play a little clip from that interview

1832
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 6: and get your reaction to it. Let's roll f four here.

1833
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 24: Joe Biden is haunted by the fact that in twenty

1834
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 24: sixteen he listened to these arguments, and he's right, we

1835
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 24: were all wrong. If he'd run in twenty sixteen, we

1836
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 24: would not be here. A lot of people not us

1837
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 24: as much this time, but a lot of people made

1838
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 24: those same arguments to him in twenty twenty.

1839
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 9: He stubbornly, stubbornly resisted all of them, and he saved us.

1840
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 24: I mean, it is very plausible given how close that

1841
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 24: was that anybody else. If our theory of Biden's brand

1842
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 24: is correct, that was it. So all of the these

1843
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 24: arguments came out him. In sixteen he listened, the world

1844
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 24: suffered grievously. All of these arguments came out him. In

1845
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,480
Speaker 24: twenty twenty, he refused to listen. The world benefited tremendously.

1846
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 24: America now has the strongest economy of the world. We

1847
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 24: are powering the world economy. We are leading the free

1848
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 24: world against Russian aggression. Because he refused to listen to

1849
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 24: these arguments. So right now, who is he going to

1850
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 24: listen to? I believe that fundamentally, he is going to

1851
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,919
Speaker 24: listen to voters.

1852
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 4: What he goes on to say is that if the

1853
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 4: poll's plummet, then maybe he'll drop out, But as long

1854
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 4: as the polls are within the margin bear a three

1855
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 4: to four points that he's going to stick around. How

1856
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 4: common is that is the view that Dimitri just shared

1857
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 4: kind of among donors at this point?

1858
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 6: Is he in the wilderness?

1859
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 23: But I haven't heard many donors express that point of view.

1860
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 23: I mean, what I'm hearing is almost unanimous. I do

1861
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 23: have to say, all I can think while I was

1862
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 23: watching him talk was I wish we could all have

1863
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 23: such a high opinion of ourselves that we could long

1864
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 23: to express not a very complicated set of ideas. You know,

1865
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 23: the fact is that he's got too much of a platform.

1866
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 23: I've got too much of a platform. You know, there's

1867
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 23: no question these last four years have been great, and

1868
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 23: we're really pleased with him. But this is not the same,

1869
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 23: for instance, as some faux pas or some gaff at

1870
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 23: a debate. This is problem that gets worse every single day.

1871
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 23: You know, if we were accusing him of being a

1872
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 23: twelve legged squid, you know, he could come out tomorrow

1873
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 23: and prove that.

1874
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 9: He's not a twelve legged squid. Right, But he can't

1875
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:48,799
Speaker 9: come out.

1876
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 23: And say I'm not getting older because obviously that's just

1877
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 23: what happens with the passage of time. And so if

1878
01:28:56,120 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 23: he is displaying weakness now today, if he is really

1879
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 23: looking that weak in comparison to the opponent, I don't

1880
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 23: think that time is on his side.

1881
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 9: I do think it is.

1882
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 23: I'm sorry, but this extreme high opinion white powerful men

1883
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 23: tend to have of themselves, that that keeps him in

1884
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 23: the running here, And I would suggest to you go

1885
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 23: read Kating Lear.

1886
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 7: Well, one final question for me at least is, you know,

1887
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 7: this is sort of hypothetical, but we're hearing more and

1888
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 7: more potentially about Parkinson's situation or something like that, and

1889
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 7: the name on everybody's.

1890
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 8: Mind is Kamala Harris.

1891
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: What would you know?

1892
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 7: What is your calculation in terms of where your money

1893
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 7: goes if it turns out that people like Kamala Harris,

1894
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 7: other high level Democrats, but let's just specifically talk about

1895
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris knew something.

1896
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 8: Does that still you know?

1897
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 7: Do you continue to say, you know, I cannot donate

1898
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 7: to a campaign that is headed by a candidate, for instance,

1899
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris, who knew about this and I just went

1900
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 7: along with it. How would that factor into your decision

1901
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 7: for the rest of the cycle.

1902
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 23: Look, I admire Kamala Harris today more than I did

1903
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 23: even last week, and I've always admired her greatly because

1904
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 23: I think she has demonstrated what a team player she

1905
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 23: is and how she's not going to go public against

1906
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,520
Speaker 23: her own president. Good good for her, And she's articulated

1907
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 23: an incredible defense of the president based on the facts

1908
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 23: at hand.

1909
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 9: I don't think there's a.

1910
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 23: Cover up because the fact is he's just aging right

1911
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 23: out there, and whether it's Parkinson's or anything else, it

1912
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 23: doesn't happen, you know, overnight.

1913
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: So we know that this is a process of.

1914
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 23: Deterioration that we're watching. We know that the people closest

1915
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 23: to him are very protective of him, in part because he's.

1916
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: A lovely man.

1917
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 9: He's a very nice, decent man.

1918
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 23: But unfortunately, you know, it's hard for me to get

1919
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 23: the car keys away from my mother when she had Alzheimer's.

1920
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 23: You know, it broke everybody's heart. But you know this

1921
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 23: is too important. The stakes are just too high.

1922
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: Abigail. Are you coordinating with others or is this just

1923
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: you out there on your own? And how do you

1924
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: see this process ultimately playing out?

1925
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 23: I am really out here on my own. There are

1926
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 23: other donors I talk to privately, but I actually think

1927
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 23: just I'm just going to express myself and use my

1928
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 23: platform the way I can and hope that it contributes

1929
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 23: to what seems to be a growing chorus of voices.

1930
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 23: And I hope and I pray that the Democratic Party

1931
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 23: is going to see fit to do the right thing.

1932
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 23: Part of me wonders if maybe what they're doing in

1933
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 23: the White House actually is buying a little time to

1934
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 23: create a bit of a smoother, smoother hand. But you

1935
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 23: know what I'm really heartened by is the election in Paris.

1936
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 23: You are in France yesterday, because I mean, that's what

1937
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 23: the Democratic.

1938
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: Party has to do.

1939
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 23: There's a common enemy. The common enemy is terrifying, and

1940
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 23: we have to recognize it.

1941
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 9: No matter what.

1942
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: In November, we have.

1943
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 23: To get behind getting it, blocking the common enemy and

1944
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 23: making sure the Democrats, whoever it is, when the election

1945
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 23: was time and iled.

1946
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I do have one final question, which is, sorry, there

1947
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 1: are there politicians elected politicians that you have spoken with

1948
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: who have similarly expressed concerns I have not.

1949
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 11: I have not.

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01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 23: I'm kind of deliberately not doing that because I do.

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Speaker 23: I think I get this crazy platform. I haven't earned it,

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Speaker 23: but I'll just use it to speak publicly in my

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Speaker 23: own mind. I'm not using it to try to quietly

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Speaker 23: influence anybody behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Got it well, Abigail, certainly grateful for your time this

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Speaker 1: morning and for your using your platform to speak out.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining us. Great to

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Speaker 1: see you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Evgail Bye, thank you everybody for watching. We

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it was a fun special here, Christal Lombie

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Speaker 2: back at the desk tomorrow when to day you'll have

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Speaker 2: counterpoints and we will see you all later