1 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back another edition of the 2 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. I am Josh Payt. Email joshpat 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: seven zero six at gmail dot com, Twitter at Latekick 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Josh Happy, Happy, Happy to have you with me this morning. 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: I don't know where you may be listening to me. 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: You could be listening to me in a place where 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: it's twenty three degrees and snow is blowing sideways right now. 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I just got to tell you there's something about waking 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: up in mid November in Nashville and knowing it's going 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: to be about sixty eight degrees and sunny today and 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: then tomorrow Friday it's going to be like seventy and sunny. 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Now we may only get like three hours of that sun. 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: More on that than just a second, but it's very 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: exciting because you don't expect it. So that's a nice 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: little bonus. The more on that in the second part, 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: I am not used to living in the easternmost part 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: of a time zone yet. I grew up in Columbus, Georgia, 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: which is right on the Chattahoochie River, which is also 19 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: the line of demarcation for the Eastern time Zone meeting 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: the Central time Zone. So the further west. You are, 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: obviously in a time zone, you maximize the amount of 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: sunlight you get in the afternoon on any given day. Well, 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: now I'm in Nashville, which is in Central Time, but 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of the easternmost portion of a time zone. 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: So I went to a place now where the sun 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: sets at like four o'clock in the afternoon. It gets 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: dark here at about four fifteen. And we haven't even 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: reached December twenty first, which I believe is the shortest 29 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: day of the year sun wise, so I'm not used 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: to it yet. But in the meantime, it's going to 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: be nice today, and it's going to be nice this 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: morning as I'm recording this, because I got some really 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: good Q and A from you, guys. That's the format here. 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: As I remind you, or I try and remind you 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: every week. Sometimes I fail on that promise. You submit 36 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: the questions, I answer the questions. We all try and 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: have a generally good time and put something together for 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: you to listen to on your ride to work or 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: you ride home or you guys, A lot of you 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: out there do what I would do, and that's just 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: popping the earbut in and listening during work hours. That's 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: the only way I used to make time pass by 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: at the fabric warehouse is sneaking the radio around and 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: listening to ESPN Radio all day at the time. That's 45 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: what I used to listen to. So I get it, 46 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: and if I could, I would make these about eight 47 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: hours long. But in the meantime, I do think we 48 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: have some good things to talk about here this morning, 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: and it's a much better slate by all available metrics 50 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: this weekend on the college football schedule than we had 51 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: last weekend. Another reminder, I keep putting it out there 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: and we keep getting submissions. If you're looking to get 53 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: into this field, whether it be sports media or anchoring, 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: I've done both of those in the past few years, 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: believe me. Or you want to crank up your own 56 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, done that too, podcasting, done that at this 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: point a couple of times. If you're looking to get in, 58 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: you just don't quite know where you fit. But you 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: think you have the ability, you think you have the talent, 60 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: you got the passion, just trying to kind of find 61 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: your way and you don't know where to start. Well, 62 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: I'm doing one on one zoom consultation with folks who 63 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: fit that description. And so if that's you, or here's 64 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: what's also been happening. If you're a parent who listens 65 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: to this and you got a kid who fits that description, 66 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: hit me up Josh paid seven zero six at gmail 67 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: dot com or on Twitter at late Kickjosh. Let's dive 68 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: into our batch of questions this morning. I'm gonna start 69 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: off with Andrew. He actually submitted a couple of good ones. 70 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: First question, how do you think recruiting will be impacted 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: by the dead period being pushed April? I believe that's correct. 72 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: And do you expect to see a lot of recruit 73 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: signing in December? Well, let's answer this backwards. So first 74 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: things first, yes, I expect a lot of kids to 75 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: be signing in December. We're actually having meetings right now 76 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: getting ready for our big Early Signing Days show. I 77 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: believe that's on December sixteenth. The structure this year, by 78 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: the way, is weird, very weird. So I want to 79 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: go ahead and eBrace you for it now. Normally, even 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: in the early signing period era, which is still relatively new, 81 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: what you're used to doing is you're used to getting 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: through conference championship weekend and then you got I think 83 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: one weekend and in between, then you'll have the early 84 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: signing date about the time that the early bowl games 85 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: are happening, or your team, if you're in a big 86 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: bowl game, about the time you guys have started bowl practices. 87 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: That's when the early signing period would happen. Well, now, 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: since the regular season schedule was thrown into chaos this 89 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: year and therefore the postseason schedule was adjusted back, have 90 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: you guys taken notice of what's about to happen. Let 91 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: me lay it out for you if you haven't taken notice. 92 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: The SEC Championship Game, among other conference championship games, is 93 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: on December nineteenth. That's a Saturday. Obviously, three days prior 94 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: on December sixteenth is the early signing date. So let's 95 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: translate that. Alabama Florida, let's say they're playing in the 96 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: SEC title game, they are taking time in the middle 97 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: of that week to put the full focus that you 98 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: normally would on the early signing date and locking kids 99 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: up and all the stress and all the drama that 100 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: comes along with that signing date. That's happening just like 101 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: it normally would, except it's going to happen in a 102 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: way at ever has before. Because you're gonna be in 103 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: the middle of a prep week for the SEC title game, 104 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: So just brace yourselves for that. And if you're a 105 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: fan of those programs, a lot of emotion that you're 106 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: gonna have to invest that week, a lot of drama. 107 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: And if that's not enough, it's ten days before Christmas, 108 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: so you may have shopping to do that day as well. 109 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be a lot on your plate. It's 110 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: a blessing to have it all on your plate. You'd 111 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: never knock any of it off. You know, you got 112 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: five stars you're battling for. That's wonderful. You got an 113 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: SEC title game you're battling in. That's great. Hey you 114 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: got money to shop for Christmas, that's wonderful too. But 115 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: it could still be a stressful time of year. So yes, 116 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: I do believe kids are going to be signing. And 117 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: as I was saying, we're getting ready for our big show, 118 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: I think at last check it's going to be about 119 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: forty four hours worth of coverage that day, which mathematically 120 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: is impossible, But I still think we're gonna somehow try 121 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: and fit it in. As for whether it's going to 122 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: be crazy or not, yes, it's gonna be crazy. But 123 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: back in April, as you mentioned April, back in April 124 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: when all this stuff was first happening. Remember we talked 125 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: about on this very podcast multiple times how I had 126 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: an expectation, as did many within this industry, of a 127 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: wave of decommitments that were going to come once everything 128 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: opened back up, and by open back up, I mean 129 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: official visits. Back in April, May June, it was assumed, 130 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: all right, once this alleviates a little bit, by the 131 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: time the football season gets here, kids will be able 132 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: to go take their visits. At that time, schools like 133 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: Tennessee were surging in the recruiting rankings and they had 134 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of kids. Not just Tennessee, a lot of 135 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: programs had a lot of kids committed who had never 136 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: even visited campus, which was unsustainable. Of course, that was 137 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: not going to last. And the thought was, well, once 138 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: things open up, then kids will get back out on 139 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: the road and coaches will get back out on the road, 140 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: and you know, it'll calibrate the system for lack of 141 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: a better term, and it'll look normal, and we'll have 142 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot of de commitments because kids won't, you know, 143 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: find out that where they committed is actually where they 144 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: want to be blah blah blah. Well that never happened. 145 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: Things never open back up. So we're still sitting here 146 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: with the situation wherein a lot of kids are committed 147 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: to a program and may even be getting ready to 148 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: sign with a program that they've never visited. They've visited virtually, 149 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: they've had virtual zoom visits, but they've never set physical 150 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: foot on campus. They've never walked through the halls of 151 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: the dorm that they may be living in. They've never 152 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: met the dean of the college that their major will 153 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: be in. They've never walked the halls of classrooms. They've 154 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: never been in one physically. They've never seen all the 155 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: things you'd normally see. So that's not going to stop 156 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: them from signing. I don't think that's what's gonna happen. 157 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: What's gonna happen is you're gonna have a wave I 158 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: think of transfers as a result of this coming in 159 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: the next year or two that really will be unlike 160 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: anything the sport's ever seen. Because keep in mind what 161 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: that's coinciding with. That's also coinciding with the transfer portal 162 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: opening up and the ability for the one time transfers 163 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: without penalty, essentially to open up. So you have all that, 164 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: and you have an environment where a lot of kids 165 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: are on a campus that they wise in some years, 166 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: would not have stayed with, that would not have stayed 167 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: committed to if things were again normal. So I don't 168 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: think on the front end, stuff's going to change all 169 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: that much. I don't think the early signing date looks 170 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: much different. I think the year to two year period 171 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: for this particular class after the signing date, that's where 172 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: things may be thrown for a loop just a little bit. 173 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: Andrew also had another question here. Do you think Will 174 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: muss Champ is going to go join the Nick Saban 175 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: Wounded Coaches Department down there in Tuscaloosa and become an 176 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: analyst somewhere or do you see him becoming a defensive 177 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: coordinator somewhere Any chance Tennessee could pick him up. Well, 178 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: I think there's a chance everything you just mentioned could happen. Now. 179 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: I asked around and not that this is definitive, but 180 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: there's no immediate thought that must Champ will go to 181 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: Alabama a La Butch Jones or Mike Stoops or any 182 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: of a number of head coaches Nick Saban has stashed 183 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: away down there in various cubby holes at Alabama. There's 184 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: no immediate thought that's going to happen. That doesn't mean 185 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: it couldn't happen. I don't know to this point if 186 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: even Will Muschamps, you know, made up his mind about 187 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: what his immediate future holds. Maybe he has. He just 188 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: hasn't called me and said, all right, I got something 189 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: official to tell you. But the defensive coordinator route, you know, 190 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 1: that's the one if obviously, if he got back in 191 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: coaching fairly immediately, that's the one that you would think 192 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: he may take. What you don't know is how his 193 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: buyout is structured relative to future employment. I guess I 194 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: could look that up, but we're in the middle of 195 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: recording right now and I don't already have it pulled 196 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: up in front of me. A lot of times, what 197 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: you'll find is when guys are taking a big buyout, 198 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: they'll go do exactly what you just mentioned. They'll go 199 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: do what Butch Jones is doing right now at Alabama, 200 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: where he's making somewhere between thirty and forty K a year, 201 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: which is essentially pro bono work in the coaching world. 202 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: But he's doing it because he's getting paid a buyout 203 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: from Tennessee still to this day getting paid a buy out. 204 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: So Musshamp could be in line to do something like that. 205 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: He could be in line to if you want to 206 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: coach immediately go be a defensive coordinator. He would be 207 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: in high demand. You mentioned Tennessee there. I mean, I 208 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: know a lot of people immediately thought about LSU and 209 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: the situation that it's all but an inevitability they'll find 210 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: themselves in after this year, needing a new defensive coordinator 211 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: paying one over two million dollars per year. At the moment, 212 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: you want to know the travesty out there. Everyone's all 213 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: been out of shape about the travesty that is will 214 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: must Champs buy out. And I understand the conversation there, 215 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: but that's not the road I'm going down this morning. 216 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: The real travesty to me, the money bo Polini he's 217 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: been paid so far this year. I mean, that was 218 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: the assumption down there they had a sure thing, and 219 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: it's it's been. It's surely been something this year. LSU's 220 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: defense has surely been something. I don't know that a 221 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: good value play is what it's been worth. But it's 222 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: been something down there, so I could see him move 223 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: in a number of places, but you did not mention 224 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: the path that I hope he takes. I hope Will 225 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: must Jamp goes the broadcast route for a little while. 226 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: I hope he gets in front of a camera. I 227 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: said this on Twitter the other day, and I believe this. 228 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: The stuff that you hear about Will mus Champ behind 229 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the scenes, the stuff that you hear other coaches tell you. 230 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: The stuff that you hear folks who know him and 231 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: have dealt with him a lot in off the record 232 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: situations tell you is that he's one of the most colorful, 233 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: likable folks that you'll ever meet. But yet, if you've 234 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: only seen him on TV, then you've only seen a 235 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: guy with the perpetual look of someone who just dropped 236 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: something on their toe. That's the only time I ever 237 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: exhibit the characteristics that Will must Champ does on the 238 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: sideline frequently. And that's not him, and that's not who 239 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: well that is him in a game, it is not 240 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: who he probably is just walking down the street on 241 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: a Tuesday afternoon. And so if you got him in 242 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: a studio, I'm of the opinion that the best path 243 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: for will must Champ to rehab and repair his image 244 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: and enhance his stock again is by staying off a 245 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: football field. Think about what mac Brown did. Mac Brown 246 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: different circumstances, I know, but Mack Brown had things wash 247 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: out eventually at Texas, he took a while away from 248 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: the game and he sat in a studio. But do 249 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: you remember after he was in a studio a couple 250 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: of years now everyone knew mac Brown was likable, but 251 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: he further enhanced his image and he further reiterated that 252 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: concept to the world. You sound like a genius if 253 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: you're a real coach and you're on TV. Even the 254 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: very best studio analysts in the world don't hold a 255 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: candle to what you were able to do in terms 256 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: of football talk, in terms of diagramming, in terms of 257 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: explaining to the lay public what's happening from an ex's 258 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: and o's concept, or an organizational and structural concept, how 259 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: you run a program, how you put together a recruiting plan, 260 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: how you handle putting a staff together. It makes you 261 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: sound brilliant because folks in the general public aren't used 262 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: to having someone lay it out to him that thoroughly. 263 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: And then you mix in a little comedy and some 264 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: funny anecdotes and some humor and some relatability, and all 265 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, people love you and everyone loves you, 266 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: and no one's calling for you to get hired a 267 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: year from then. But if you spend a couple of 268 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: years doing that, then all of a sudden jobs start coming 269 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: open and people start saying, hey, what about will must Champ. 270 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: It's the same way they did it with Mack Brown. 271 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: No one was looking to hire mac Brown as soon 272 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: as he got fired from Texas. No one was looking 273 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: to nor were they looking to do it the year after. 274 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: But then slowly he started to relate to you on 275 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: TV and you got to know him, and he became 276 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: sort of a friend that you listened to on Saturday afternoon. 277 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: And he did he kind of did what he needed 278 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: to do to build back his equity. But he didn't 279 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: do it on a football field. He did it in media. Now. 280 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: All the while he was maintaining and even enhancing his 281 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: network of contacts. He stayed in touch with folks behind 282 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: the scenes. He constantly visited other programs, so he didn't 283 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: let the game conceptually pass him by. And then he 284 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: was ready to re enter the world when the North 285 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: Carolina job came open, and probably had an offer or 286 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: two that he turned down before that. If mush Champ 287 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: doesn't go the DC route, if he wants to remain 288 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: a head coach and doesn't want to go down several 289 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: rungs on the college football ladder in order to achieve that, 290 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: If I were him, I'd go sit in a TV 291 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: studio and I'd enhance my equity in my image that way, 292 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: and I'd rehabilitate things that way. And in the meantime, 293 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: you expose yourself to a new world, you continue to 294 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: make money. Because that's what that's what worries me the 295 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: most about will that he'll run out of money. That's 296 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: really what worries me the most. The guy's only going 297 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: to have about a quarter million dollars a month coming 298 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: in from his buyout. So you know, I mean, hoops 299 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: among us would be able to survive on just a 300 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: quarter million dollars a year. Excuse me a year. Yeah, 301 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: that'd be tough, man. That's like trying to find two 302 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: quarters to rub together. You're only making a quarter million year, Well, 303 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: he's making it a month in his buyout. Now I'm joking, 304 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: because if you listen to the podcast the other day, 305 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: you heard me go down the road of I couldn't 306 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: really care less if he's making four hundred trillion dollars 307 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: in his buyout, I would care about that. We could 308 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: take care of a lot of issues with that. But 309 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: the principle was, if you're a competitor, no amount of 310 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: money fills the void that failure leaves inside you. It 311 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: doesn't alleviate it. And a lot of folks who think 312 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: that way probably don't have a competitive bone in their bodies. 313 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: Therefore they can't grasp that concept. Ud, I'd love to 314 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: fail for that much money, Well, you'll never be able 315 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: to fail for that much money. No one's ever going 316 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: to give you a job the value of which demands 317 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: that you have a buyout in your contract. If we 318 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: want to debate buyouts and whether it ever should have 319 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: been in this contract, that is a valid discussion, friends, 320 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: a very valid discussion. And I think that there is 321 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: a very disproportionate balance currently in the acumen and backbone 322 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: at the negotiating table, on the sides of the coach 323 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: versus the side of the table where you find the 324 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: athletic director in the university. But you know what, I 325 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: don't think they have all that much motivation to be 326 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: prudent in their negotiations because no one ever gets told no. 327 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: Think about this. We're in the middle of a pandemic 328 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: right now, and at South Carolina they just found a 329 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: way to pony up enough money to not only buy 330 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: out an entire staff, and had paid for that staff 331 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: to begin with, and now buying that staff out, and 332 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: they're going to pony up the money to hire another staff. 333 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: And that's in the worst of times. If you're in 334 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: a negotiation setting and an agent is taking you to 335 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: the cleaners, what consequence do you really pay if you 336 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: know the money's always going to be there. It's no 337 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: different than the mess we have right now with student 338 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: loans in America. Hey, you know I owe student loans too. 339 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: You know who I wish got a lot more flak 340 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: the universities that felt free to keep jacking up tuition 341 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: rates because they knew the money was going to be there, 342 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: because they knew the money really wasn't coming out of 343 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: my pocket. I had the federal government subsidizing me, and 344 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: so oh I didn't really care. I got to pay 345 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: twenty one hundred dollars for this class or twenty eight 346 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Oh, I'll pay it. It'll it'll work itself 347 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: out down the road. Hasn't worked itself out yet. But 348 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: the point is the university has had no real motivation 349 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: to throttle back tuition rates, just like schools when they're 350 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: negotiating with a head coach and an agent is just 351 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: taking them to the absolute cleaners. Hey, we want an 352 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: increased buyout for a guy that there's virtually no market 353 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: for right now, Okay, why not sign it? Yeah, that's 354 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: how negotiations work right now. It's like printing money. It's 355 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: like fishing with absolute dynamite. I know we're in the 356 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: middle of a football season. Moving on here, transitions, decompress, 357 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: let's move on. I know we're in the middle of 358 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: a college football season here, but everyone seems to want 359 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: to talk about the coaching search, including at places where 360 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: you have a head coach currently. But as I say, 361 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: every single week, twice a week when we start this 362 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,239 Speaker 1: particular podcast, it is your show. I go wherever you 363 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: want to go, and in just a second, you're going 364 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: to take me down a road of trying to fill 365 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: the job. That's not available, but it's your show. You 366 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: make the call captains right after this and we're back. 367 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: It's been a while. Actually, there is no gap. I'm 368 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: recording this and they throw the ad in, so I 369 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: just take a breath and then keep going. Maybe drop 370 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: a little joke in there for Jordan while he edits it, 371 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: and he has to cut that out or else we're 372 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: all going to get fired. But here's the question that 373 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: I was alluding to, and believe it or not, a 374 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: few of you asked this in some shape form or 375 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: fashion over the last two weeks. So let's hit it here. 376 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Is Michigan a legitimate program to take Matt Campbell from 377 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: Iowa State? Jerks, why don't you leave my coach alone? 378 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: How about that continue? I know that he said he 379 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: would love that job when he was at Toledo, but 380 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: five years ago is a huge difference in two programs. 381 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: All Matt Campbell needs to keep is winning seven to 382 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: eight games a year, and he'll have statues of him 383 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: at every entrance to Jack Trice Stadium in a couple 384 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: of years. I know Campbell wants our cyclones. Oh thank you, Ryan. 385 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: All right, well, I take back the jerk comment. We 386 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: continue I know he wants our cyclones apropos to win 387 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: a conference title or a national title, But will the 388 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: constant state of difficulty at Iowa State push him to 389 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: a different job. I guess it can be simplified into 390 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: is Matt Campbell a Bill Snyder type? Or can we 391 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: expect him to move on soon? All right, well, let's 392 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: unpack this. A Bill Snyder type means someone who, in 393 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: his case, state at Kansas State for a long time 394 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: and then left and then came back. It's like he 395 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: retired stadium's named after me, I'm good to go, and 396 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: then he leaves it in the hands of I think 397 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: Ron Prince was that the coach. I think it was 398 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: Ron Prince. Anyway, things started to go sideways. So it's 399 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: like when you let the fourteen year old drive around 400 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: the parking lot and you finally let go of the 401 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: wheel and they just immediately go into hairpin turn mode 402 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: and you have to grab the wheel again. That's what 403 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: Bill Snyder did, So he resurrected a program twice. And 404 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: is that what Matt Campbell does? Is he just content 405 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: to stay at Iowa State. No, I don't think that's 406 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: going to be him long term. I don't think he's 407 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: going to be hashtag our coach forever at Iowa State. 408 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: You are right about the statues. I'd make one of 409 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: him now. It's because I'm big in the statues and 410 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: we need a couple more at Iowa State. I think 411 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: he would take the Michigan job if it were offered. 412 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: I strongly think that folks in the coaching world think that. 413 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Folks at Michigan think that. I think folks at Iowa 414 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: State think that is he going to be offered it. 415 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: That's the assumption that a lot of people are making 416 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: that I'm not making because to be offered that job, 417 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: by default, it has to be open, and it's not 418 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: open right now. Jim Harball is still there. I'm just not 419 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: convinced that it's going to come up. I got to 420 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: be flat honest with you. I don't know that it's 421 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: going to come open. That may be a shock to 422 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: some of you in the South who watch what's happening 423 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: at Michigan, and you think to yourself, rightfully, so accurately, 424 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: so that would never fly at my program. I don't 425 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: care what goodwill he had built up in the community. 426 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: I don't care what good will he had built up 427 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: with prior records. You're not going to let the program 428 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: be lifeless like this because the rest of the sport's 429 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: passing us by, and we can't let the gap grow 430 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: further between ourself and our rivals. In that case Ohio State, 431 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: but it is the case at Michigan, and I don't 432 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: sense any urgency or immediacy in the need to fire him. 433 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: I don't sense it. Maybe at the end of the 434 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: year they mutually agree to something, but outside of that, 435 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: his contract goes through twenty twenty one. As for now, 436 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to make a move. That 437 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: could always change. But if they did make a move, yes, 438 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: I think Matt Campbell would go to Michigan in a heartbeat. 439 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Tyler up next. Tyler asks, 440 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: I just read where J. T. Daniels is starting for 441 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: Georgia Saturday Aainst, Mississippi State. What are your expectations and 442 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: what should my expectations be for him? I think they 443 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: should be tempered, Tyler. That's what my expectation is, very tempered. 444 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: There is this belief out there, it's this conspiracy theory 445 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: that Kirby Smart wants to doom his own program, and 446 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: therefore he's known all the while that JT. Daniels is 447 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: the best quarterback for the job, but for whatever reason, 448 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: he has benched him. Maybe JT. Daniels dad stole Kirby's 449 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: lunch money once upon a time. I don't know what 450 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: the theory would be. But for whatever reason, even though 451 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: JT's been the best guy for the job all along, 452 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: Kirby hasn't played him. Now you can tell by my 453 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: sarcastic tone, I think that's pretty foolish. There have been 454 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: reasons why the guy who is starting has started at 455 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: every turn, and just as there's a reason now why 456 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: they feel comfortable putting JT. Daniels on the field. I 457 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: talking to some people around the program, and I'm going 458 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: to state this as plainly as I can. I think 459 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: the quarterback situation has been misunderstood publicly from the beginning 460 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: of the season, even before the beginning of the season, 461 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: maybe in the off season, when there's no consequence anymore, 462 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: the truth, full truth, and nothing but the truth will 463 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: come out about why things have gone down the way 464 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: they've gone down. I think there's been a lot of 465 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: misunderstanding there, and maybe up until this point, continues to 466 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: be misunderstanding. But you asked about JT. Daniel Saturday. JT. 467 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: Daniels Saturday, if you did miss it, we expect him 468 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: to get the start, and we expected him to get 469 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: the start last week and the game got postponed. So 470 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: now I expect him to get to start Saturday. What 471 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: to expect, Well, here's what I don't expect. I don't 472 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: expect Georgia throwing the ball forty five times. Don't expect that. 473 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: I do expect that there'll be in an environment it's 474 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: very conducive to doing what they want to offensively, not 475 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: just because they're playing Mississippi State. There is a roster 476 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: situation with Mississippi State that is beyond essentially anything I've 477 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: ever seen. You know, right now, we're obviously the COVID 478 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: year where you have to have I think the number 479 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: is fifty three scholarship players, and you've got to have 480 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: a certain number at a certain position, and I think 481 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: it's a few different position groups. You have to have 482 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: certain minimum numbers met and you have to have fifty 483 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: three on the roster. Think it's something like that. Anyway, 484 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: Mississippi State is at fifty four scholarship players. Available Saturday, 485 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: and so you may be thinking, oh, okay, so like 486 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: COVID and contact tracing has them down near the bare minimum. No, 487 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: there is no COVID. There is no contact tracing that 488 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: we know of going on currently with the Mississippi state program. 489 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, at full speed health wise, they are 490 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: sitting at fifty four scholarship players available full speed from 491 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: a COVID standpoint, they got some guys out, they got 492 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: some guys injured, they had a ton of opt outs, 493 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: guys walk away. I don't know that they already weren't 494 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: operating a little bit below capacity scholarship wise, even before 495 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: all that. They're down to fifty four players. Fifty that's tough. 496 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: Let's just say that's tough. But as of this morning, 497 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: they do still plan on playing that game. So I 498 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: think that even if they had, you know, sixty five players, 499 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: George's favored by over three touchdowns for a reason. Right now, 500 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: I think that lines at twenty five and a half 501 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: or so, haven't checked it this morning. Georgia is going 502 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: to probably be in a situation where they can control 503 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: the game. You know, I don't foresee them having to 504 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: play catch up at any point or anything like that. 505 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: I don't foresee this being a close game third and 506 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, so that's a luxury. And they've had a 507 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: week off, involuntarily, but a week off, so I think 508 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: whatever they're going to do, they got a really nice 509 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: plan in place that you know, they've been able to 510 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: sketch a lot of this stuff out, They've been able 511 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: to game plan, and I think they're going to put 512 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: him being JT. Daniels in an environment very conducive for success. 513 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot will be answered Saturday. I think 514 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot of folks will watch this game Saturday, myself included. 515 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: It's not like I've had access to practice, and we'll 516 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: get to see Daniels in a Georgia uniform for the 517 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: first time actually playing. And I don't think that you're 518 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: going to watch him Saturday and just say wow. You know, 519 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: like the first time you ever saw to a tongue 520 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: of Iiloa, he said whoa, like it was mop up 521 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: duty and whatnot, but you still said, boy, that guy's different. 522 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: I don't know that we're going to watch JT. Daniels 523 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: Saturday and think that. In fact, I don't know that 524 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: anyone's going to watch that game even the most pessimistic 525 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: among you. I don't know that any of you are 526 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: going to watch that game, watch JT. Daniel's performance and 527 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: think to yourself, had we had this earlier in the year, 528 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: would be undefeated right now. We probably beat Alabama with this, 529 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: or we probably beat Florida with this. I could be 530 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: wrong about that. He has the arm talent. I think 531 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: you may see flashes of arm talent, but I don't 532 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: know that you're going to watch a product that you 533 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: would say that right there at quarterback all year. If 534 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: we got that level of production, hey man, that'd make 535 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: us an overwhelming favorite to win the East, and we'd 536 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: be right there in the college football playoff conversation. Now. 537 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: Having said that, as I said, I've been wrong before. 538 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: If I'm wrong about that, though, I don't think we 539 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: need to even venture down the hypothetical road of what 540 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: Saturday Night's going to be like on a Georgian message 541 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: board over on the Junkyard on Dogs twenty four to seven. 542 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: If Daniels went out and lit it up, and it 543 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: was thirty four to three at the half, and he 544 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: had two hundred ninety five passing yards and three touchdowns, 545 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: I shudder to think shutter, shutter, shutter, to think what 546 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: the conversations it's going to be like, because I know 547 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: some of you. I'm from Georgia. I'm headed down there 548 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: this weekend after we do our Sunday night show. I 549 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: know some of you. And as soon as I watch JT. 550 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: Daniels have any kind of success on the field Saturday, 551 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: I know what's coming. I might as well just keep 552 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: my iPhone charged and plugged in all day because if 553 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: they start moving the ball successfully, I know what's going 554 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: to happen. I know you all too well. I know 555 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: you all right, let's move on here. Got a David 556 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: Shaw question in the inbox this morning from our good 557 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: old buddy, Irish politico. He said, now that Stanford is 558 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: zero to two, do you think we hear more talk 559 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: about David Shaw to the NFL. It wouldn't be the 560 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: most shocking thing in the world. But here's the whole 561 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: deal with the David Shaw NFL conversation. This is again 562 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: the head coach at stan For those unfamiliar, and there 563 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: are those who are unfamiliar with the head coach at Stanford, 564 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, there's always been talk about that, 565 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: but it's largely been talk, at least from my perspective, 566 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: amongst fans and media. I've never heard David Shaw say, hey, 567 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: the NFL is eventually where I'm headed. It's just kind 568 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: of been this broadly held to, widely held assumption that 569 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: one day David Shaw man his next job, it's going 570 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: to be an NFL job. I understand the I understand 571 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: the perspective, I understand the rationale behind it. I don't 572 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: know about the legitimacy of it. So my answer, in 573 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: short is no, I don't necessarily think that Stanford's zero 574 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: to two start is indication that David Shaw one foot 575 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: out the door. Eventually he's going to be out of here. 576 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: By the way, you're got to have a job offer 577 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: to take it, and to this point, to my knowledge, 578 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: there isn't a job offer on the table. I think 579 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: there probably would be. David Shaw is a guy who's 580 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: very widely respected inside the coaching industry. But I'm looking 581 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: at Stanford's records right now, capturing your head. What is 582 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: your perspective of Stanford football? And your perspective, as far 583 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: as I can tell, the Stanford football is most folks 584 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: think they've fallen off drastically well think about where they've 585 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: fallen off too, where have they fallen They've just fallen 586 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: back down to what they always were historically, because right 587 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: now I'm looking at Harball Lee there after the twenty 588 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: ten season, so in twenty eleven, that's when Shaw took over. 589 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: Here are there win totals from twenty eleven to now eleven, twelve, eleven, eight, twelve, ten, nine, nine, 590 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: and then last year was the four and eight year, 591 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: and they've started off very poorly. Right now, You want 592 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: me to blow your mind for a second, because think 593 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: about how unacceptable that feels, and think about how much 594 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: of a lost cause your program feels like these days. 595 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: If you're putting up a four and eight season and 596 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: then you back it up with an H to two start, 597 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: and even before the four and eight season, well you 598 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: had to win a bowl game to even get nine wins. 599 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: So there's certainly a downward trend there. Well, yeah, a 600 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: very short term downward trend. You want me to blow 601 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: your mind, though, Tell you how perception about coaching realities 602 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: has changed. I'm I'm going to kind of read you 603 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: a blind resume here of a coach, not going to 604 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: tell you who it is, but I'm just going to 605 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: tell you the win total and the result of that year, 606 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: and you spot the day onward trend. You tell me 607 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: where it's past the point of no return. So there 608 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: is a season here that we're just going to start 609 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: in a national championship year. So eleven wins and a 610 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: national title. Ten wins, nine wins, ten wins, national title, 611 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: nine wins. Next year, next year after that, eleven wins, 612 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: national title, eight wins, eight wins, six wins, six wins. 613 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: All right, let's pause there. I think we can pretty 614 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: well tell where the precipitous drop off was in that 615 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: coach's resume. So we had a nice run three national titles. 616 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: But now we've got four years in a row. Think 617 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: about this, four years in a row. Eight wins, eight wins, 618 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: six wins, six wins. I mean it's time to move 619 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: on at that point, right, burnout has set in and 620 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: we've just got to We just got to make that 621 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: uncomfortable decision to part ways. And you delivered unprecedented results 622 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: to us. Well, this school did not do that. This 623 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: school continued to sojourn on with said coach. Would you 624 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: like to know how it turned out? Friends, So we 625 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: got eight wins, eight wins, six wins, six wins. They 626 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: stick with him. Here's how the next few years went. 627 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,239 Speaker 1: Keep in mind we're coming off three national titles, but 628 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: then four years in a row of eight, eight, six, 629 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: and six respectively. They stick with him. Following year eleven wins, 630 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: ten wins, eleven wins, National title, eleven wins, eleven wins, 631 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: nine wins, eleven wins, eleven wins, twelve wins, national title, 632 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: ten wins. We're talking about Paul Bryant. Oh probably left 633 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: out a national title there in seventy eight, by the way, 634 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: so he got to a point. No one remembers this 635 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: in the late sixties. Bryant got to a point after 636 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: he'd won three national titles at Alabama where they were down. 637 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: This part of the story is left out of the 638 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: legacy of Bryant. They had four years in a row, 639 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: including two years there at the end of the sixties. 640 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: Maybe he was distracted by the space race, I don't know, 641 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: but they were barely above five hundred. Couple of years 642 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: in a row. That is death for a coach these days. 643 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: But they stick with him in Alabama and he goes 644 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: on a run in the seventies. The likes of which 645 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: the sport may never see again. I think they lost 646 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: three conference games the entire decade. It's some absurd number 647 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: like that. They won a title in seventy three, seventy eight, 648 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: seventy nine, and so they stuck with him. Now, I 649 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that that's going to happen at Stanford, 650 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is, think about the perception right now. 651 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: David Shaw. Oh, he's lost it out there. He had 652 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: a nice little run, but I mean, they're not going 653 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: to get that back. You never know. You never know 654 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: what having patience and sticking with a guy, especially one 655 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: that's proven he can do it already, you never know 656 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: what that could bring you. I know what we're bringing 657 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: you tonight. We're bringing you Late Kick Live. We got 658 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: a Thursday night show. It's always pretty fun because we 659 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: got the predictions. We got the hay in the barn 660 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the predictions. But yet we still got 661 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: a ton to talk about. Our best bets will be 662 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: wrapped up tonight. Hopefully had a nice start last night 663 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: with Northern Illinois. Our best bets, by the way, have 664 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: hit five weeks in a row. I am no mathematician, 665 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: but that seems like a streak to me. So we're 666 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna continue to deliver you our other batch of best 667 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: bets tonight, so tune in for that. Subscribe to the 668 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel if you haven't already, 669 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: and give us a five star review on the podcast. 670 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: We're trying to get to one thousand five star reviews, 671 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: so keep that train chugging along, and we appreciate you, 672 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you wherever you're listening. 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