WEBVTT - Bachelor Peter Weber 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:06.800 What's up vasterination. Of course, we hope you're all staying safe, healthy, 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.800 saying I know you're probably a little stir crazy. I know, 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.600 I am, I know Becca is. Actually I'm oddly content 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:15.720 right now, which is weird. So I just feel like 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.720 I'm gonna crack any moment. But whatever you're feeling right now, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:23.040 we are here to make you feel better because we 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.040 have on the podcast today none other than Peter Webber. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.680 That's right. I feel like this has been an unusual 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.720 season because usually you get your answers, you kind of 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.000 know how things end, and you move on and you 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:36.959 get ready for the next season. Well that hasn't been 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.680 the case because we are in quarantine. There's not a 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.880 current Bachelorette season filming right now. Things were kind of 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:45.840 up in the air when it came to Peter's season. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:47.879 We've never seen an ending like this, so we were 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.919 just kind of left in limbo. So none of us 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.519 know much more than we're seeing out there today. So 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.840 finally we'll get to see what's going on from Peter himself. Yeah, Rachel, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.560 I cannot wait. This is one of the interviews that 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.000 I mean, obviously we have been waiting a while for 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.399 because we did not get to speak to Peter after 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.800 the finale unfortunately, and this is probably one of the 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.800 most requested interviews we've had yet. I'd literally still to 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.080 this day gid DMS being like, bring Peter on, Bring 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.440 Peter on. So today is that day. Now. I don't 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.640 know about you, but on a very selfish and personal level, 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.600 I'm just dying to know what's going on, because, like 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.320 you said, we kind of get little tidbits of info 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.880 here and there of what maybe maybe what he's doing, 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.039 where he is, who he's hanging out with, but it 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.920 hasn't been confirmed by Peter himself yet, and so I 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.679 can't wait to get him on. Obviously, we've spoken with 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.319 Hannah Ann after the finale, we got hert take, but 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.760 we need Peter's take too, because there's probably much more 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.000 to the story and we're missing a lot, you know, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:53.160 and Peter, Like I, regardless of what people think about 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.720 Peter and how his season ended, I still love him. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.040 I still want nothing but the best for him. So 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.560 I really want to hear from him because we have 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.200 some major questions, and so I just think for the 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.520 sake of everyone, we just have to get into it. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:11.560 Bring him in because from the beginning, Becca, from the beginning, well, Rachel, 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.080 we've joked all season, like we kept saying when it 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.639 was going on, there was so much John and we're like, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.040 we just needed to get to the end. We just 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.240 wanted to end and figure out what's going on, and 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.920 like we never got anything because obviously the way everything 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.760 panned out, he didn't end up with anyone as far 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.359 as we know at this point. Who knows if things 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.720 have changed since then. Um So I think, oh, well, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.880 we're gonna say well, no, I was gonna say even 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.840 the finale. Normally from the finale we get some type 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:43.480 of resolution, but because of Barbed who we adore, we 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.040 it was like the focus went towards that. So we 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.840 didn't even focus really on the fact that Peter dumped 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.600 hannah An his relationship with Madison because the focal point 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.840 was Barbed right, So Chris Harrison didn't get to dig deep. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.239 So today we're gonna play Chris Harrison can't wait. Well, 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.160 I think without further ado, we just have to get 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.000 into it. We have to get started with Peter. So, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.480 ladies and gentlemen, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, please give a 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:13.480 warm welcome to our latest bachelor, Peter Whipper Peter, Hi, Peter, Hello, Hello, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.920 how's it going. I'm good, showing like a villain, you know, Peter. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.720 Where are you at right now? I'm in So, I'm 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.679 in Chicago. I'm at Kelly's apartment right now. Getting to 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.120 the good stuff right away the way I got Dustin, 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:35.000 That says, Hi, Dusty waves. Hi. Wait, was Dustin Dustin's 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.880 met you, Rachel? Yeah, Peter? Was he supposed to be 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.480 our one of our bachelor's for the live show. Were 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.600 you supposed to be a bachelor for the live show? Oh? Yeah, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.600 he was. I don't even know. Yeah, we'll tell him 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.840 to keep next you're in February reserved. I'll keep next 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.680 February reserved because they're coming back to you. All right, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:59.840 says Okay, where's Kelly? Kelly's still asleeping? What time is it? 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.720 Which y'all do? Last night we had a good night 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.360 and sad some fun we had like a dance party. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:09.960 Because you have you seen like these DJs that have 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.720 been doing these like live shows, DJ Nice? Have you 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:17.239 watched his h not his? No, we're watching Griffin and 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.880 uh I think the guys or LOUI the child, But yeah, 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.839 we're just didn't you want to be a DJ? Weren't 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.240 you going to become a DJ? I would love to you. 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.440 That's always been like a huge passion of mine. So 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.839 really yeah, I've always just like known that I have 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.280 it in me, like I have that whatever that is, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.160 like just pump up a crowd and like give what 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:37.640 I feel to them. I just have to figure out 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.080 a way to take it out. I got to learn 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.120 what I'm doing obviously, But um, I know Blake he's 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:43.920 like he's doing. I've been talking to him a little bit, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.000 and uh, because I have so much free time, you know, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.200 I might as well do something else. So what would 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.080 be your style? Like your your your type of music 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.120 that you would do? Tropical house? So you know that 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.159 you ever heard of Kigo? Yes? Okay, So like his 0:04:58.240 --> 0:04:59.839 kind of music is like the music they talks to 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:02.279 me touches me the most. So like that exact vibe, 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.720 like a lot of like piano like instrumentals. Um, but 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.800 just like that good, feel good music. Did you know 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:14.240 that there's like a legit DJ school. Yeah? I did, okay, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.039 because because when I saw Blake at the Bachelor Live Tour, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:18.680 he was telling me. He's like, yeah, I went to 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.479 DJ school. I'm like, where the hell is a DJ school? 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.480 I've never heard of it, but it sounds cool. It 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.120 sounds like it'd because I mean not kind of a 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.760 pretty fun school, no, I think, Yeah, he went to 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.280 one in Denver, So I'm gonna look for one in LA. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.000 And all this stuff is said and done. But I 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.920 got my got my laptop, got all the equipment. So oh, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.239 you're serious. I mean, why not pick up a passion 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.920 in a hobby during this time? So I'm going to 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.080 ask you off the bat, have you changed your stance 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:49.200 on coronavirus? Uh? Are you talking about like? Yeah, I 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:54.680 need to ask you Peter like one like TMZ thing. Yes, yeah, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.040 yeah I can yeah, fully change my stance. That was 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.280 before everything I did. I used to think that, Yeah, 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.240 it was just kind of like an overblown thing, like 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.200 unwarranted spear. Obviously it is not. I was one billion 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:10.719 percent wrong, And yeah, I apologize for those comments. We'll 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.160 call this the Redemption Podcast. You got to give you 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.640 a chance to clear things up. I don't know what 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.400 I was thinking when I said that. The guy called 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.040 me off guard, but whatever, yeah, completely one eight. So hey, 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:23.760 I will say when I was still on the tour 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.640 before everything got shut down and we had to be 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.240 locked inside because I was on the tour with Ben, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.880 and Ben seemed overly paranoid at that point, and I 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:33.760 was like, Oh, I don't go away. It's not going 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.120 to be that bad. And then fast forward to a 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.880 month later, I'm like, I am biting my tongue right now. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.960 It's sad. I get it. It's sad, but yep, hopefully 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.760 it's you know, kind of blows over soon. Who knows. Yeah, 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.120 but you're doing You're saying you're quarantining, so you're doing 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.880 your part right. I as much as people think I 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.760 haven't been, I promise you've been quarantining in social distancing 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.800 here in Chicago. So for all of the listeners right now, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.960 you can't see us, were on zoom, so we're all 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.719 looking at each other. But Peter is quarantining. Um. I 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.200 don't know if you miss at the top of this, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:13.160 but he is quarantining where and good old Shytown Chicago 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:20.160 with with with good old Chop Chop Kelly and Dustin 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.600 good Chop Chop. That's a that's what that's the nickname 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.360 I've given Kelly. That's like on the last on her 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.440 last episode in Peru, she's like, Chop Chop, give me 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.440 the road. And so now I just call her Chop Chop. Oh, okay, okay, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:36.560 cute little nickname, a little pet name. So I was 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.440 gonna hold off on the Kelly stuff, but I will 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.880 ask you this, and I'm hoping by the time that 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.880 we've were into this podcast that she wakes up. I 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.440 really don't think she's asleep. I just think that she's hiding. 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.920 But that's okay, Kelly, that's okay. I'm going to send 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.560 a text Darren because because we've always been Kelly fans, 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.640 so you know, you got a friend in us on 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.440 this podcast. That's my sister in the law. So that's right, yep, exactly. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:08.360 So my question is we saw the TMZ photos come out. Yeah, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.160 whether you guys were aware of that was going to 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:11.880 happen or not, I don't know. You were in a 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.600 pretty public place, so it's it wasn't shocking. I guess 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.760 that somebody called. You know, you guys all hanging out right, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.360 So I guess my question is when you decided to 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.720 do it, where y'all like fuck it? You know what 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.040 I mean, we're just gonna go out, hang out. People 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.840 are gonna talk regardless, Let's go Honestly, So we had 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.000 been cooped up in Kelly's apartment for like quite like 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.760 almost like a week before that ever came out, those pictures, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.120 and then finally it was a gorgeous thing in Chicago. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.439 They really dustin and Kelly really wanted me to do 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.520 the Riverwalk, which is like this gorgeous thing to do here, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.120 And at first we were gonna do like a kind 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.920 of hidden one closer to Kelly's apartment, but then like, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.800 now let's do the main one. So we ended up 0:08:55.800 --> 0:09:01.080 doing it, and honestly, like more hat sack glasses, thought 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.840 we'd kind of be good. Wasn't trying to like put 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.560 it in people's faces at all? Um. And that first 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.080 picture I remember, I literally we were at like the 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.400 one of the slips there on the lake and like 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.360 I picked her up real quickly, like a little spinny thing, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.880 just for fun. And then someone taking dusts like well 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.080 someone just got a picture and we're like no, and 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.520 then whatever, you know, Peter, people are always watching. You 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.160 need to give a wig or something. I know, I know, seriously, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:26.679 I need to like work on like a better disguise. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.000 But um, I mean listen at that point too, I 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.640 don't think I know, people were like kind of upset 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.440 the whole social distancing thing, and they just didn't know. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.760 They didn't, you know, know the facts about what I 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.480 had chosen to do at that point. So I totally 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.240 get their frustration with that. But now that I can 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.320 kind of clear it up, we were social distancing. It 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.319 was just us. And at that point that riverwalk was 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.160 still open. Think there was thousands of people on it. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.640 So that's the problem, Peter, That's why people were upset. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.480 There were all those people there. Well, that's allowed at 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.199 that point that the order had been allowed to be 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.320 allowed to go walk and get exercise and get fresh air. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.640 And then the next they closed it. So yeah, because 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.480 of you guys, Honestly, you brought so much attention to 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.760 the riverwalk they close it down. So inquiring minds what 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.560 to know? How did you end up quarantining at Kelly's 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.240 take us back? Okay? Yeah, So I keep saying, just 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.320 with Kelly Knight, it's been like very serendipitous with just 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.600 everything's kind of happened from the very beginning. How we 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.320 met before the show. I don't know if everyone knows, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.480 but while this show is airing, we ran We ran 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.120 it in each other again in Miami on at the 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.480 super Bowl. That was crazy, just a brief brief you know, hello, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.520 how are you doing by? And then fast forward now 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.080 to a couple of weeks ago, through some mutual friends, 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.559 we ranched each other a third time out in La, 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.240 got her number, started communicating. She's always been very supportive 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.040 of me, and you know, I've tried my best be 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.360 supportive of her. Some stuff ended up happening with her family, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.920 some slight serious stuff like health stuff. So she was 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.520 kind of like in a just a sad place, a 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.760 rough place, and she was by herself, a roommates word 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.280 in Chicago. Her family was in Florida, you know, quarantine, 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.199 And so I decided to fly out, spent some time 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.360 with there, try to take her mind off things, and um, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.640 you know that's what I did. Um. I Also, it 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.680 actually ended up just working out because you know, obviously 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.400 I still live at home and I fly still I 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.800 have to do for the essential work. And I was 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.880 like it better just like make this my home base 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.200 and go back home and risk giving something to my parents, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.040 you know, who are in their sixties and they just 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.280 made sense on all fronts, and um, you know I 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.280 could be there for her and you know, hopefully I 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.880 put a stall on her face and you know, distractor 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:37.600 a little bit. So that was nicely put without being 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:42.600 too specific that I believe you know, I believe you. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.000 I want to did because I want to know personally. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.880 Wouldn't the third time that you say, there's muchild friends 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.719 who kind of hooked you guys up to bump into 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.199 each other. Was that? Did that happen to be during 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.520 the women tell all? No? This was this was way 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.400 after all of that. She's I guess her her brothers 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.840 are really good friends with Katie Agro and so I 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.160 guess through that connection she was saying with them, I'm 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.000 really good friends with Christian Haggarty. And I was out 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.839 with Dylan and Devon one night and then I Dylan 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.360 had been texting Christian, so I started texting Christian and 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.040 then we were like, yeah, come out and meet with 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.000 meet us. And you know, Kelly was what the on 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:24.560 like this it's crazy so serendipitous, like you said, yeah, 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.840 I'll say, I mean I was in Miami for the 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.000 Super bowl, and I didn't run into either one of y'all, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:33.199 So I mean, I guess maybe they were hiding at 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.240 that point. Peter. I'm excited that we have you and 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.440 that you're finally clearing it up because I cannot begin 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.760 to tell you the amount of DMS that I personally 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.120 receive or that Garrett receives asking about you and if 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.880 you and Kelly are together. And I've said this on 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.600 the podcast before with Rachel, like people think just because 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.640 we're part of this Bachelor world that we were on 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.559 the show, like we somehow magically know everything about everyone, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.360 and that's not the case. So I don't know that 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.680 we care to know. You don't even care to know. Yeah, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.720 I just there's too many of us now, Like there's 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.360 no way, and so I just don't even respond to 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.679 people that ask me about you. Guys. So everyone listening, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.839 you've heard it from the horse's mouth here, Peters. But 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.000 but listen, we aren't listen. We aren't dating right now. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.120 I can set that straight. Um. I me personally, obviously, 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.880 have I've learned anything. It's to take things extremely slow 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.040 and not rush into anything. I just was engaged. I 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.840 just was finishing up another relationship, figuring out what was 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.400 going to happen with that. So, um, you know we're 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:37.880 there late, Peter, I gotta ask you a question. I'm sorry. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.359 I believe you that you're not dating one percent. Believe you. Um. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.480 I also like to point out that you were using 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:51.400 Kelly's I at her apartment. I don't know. Nothing gets 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.360 past me. I have never was I I was talking 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.880 to Caitlin the other day doing a podcast and she 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.520 like didn't want to say it. She's like, oh, is 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.720 he trying to hide this or something? And then she's like, 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.320 so whose computer are you on. I was like, oh, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.719 it's Kelly, he said. She's like, Okay, hows gonna see. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.480 I don't think you're trying to hide anything, which personally 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.720 I think is kind of refreshing. It's I think you've 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.000 learned the hard way. Like a lot of leads that 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.240 have had a difficult time, people have been hard on you, like, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.040 let's just call it what it is, and they're gonna 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.120 be hard on you. Some people are gonna like what 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:25.720 you do, some people aren't. So you just kind of 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.120 have to live your life and cancel out all the 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.040 other noise. And it seems like you're doing them. But 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.120 back to what you said, you said you're taking it 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.440 slow and you're not dating yet. You literally called where 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.840 you are home right now. You said, I'm just making 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.640 this my home base. That kind of sounds fast to 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.720 see each other every day where you're quarantining. How many 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.280 bedrooms does Kelly have? You know what I meant? Three bedrooms? 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.040 Don't even try to tell me that you and Dustin 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.960 are in your own rooms. We have our own room, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.280 and we got soph here too, Dustin's dogs. So we're 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.040 having a party. It's just I mean, like, obviously it 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.040 sounds like so much fun, you know, to have a 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:06.960 group of people, because a lot of people are alone 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.960 right now, But it also doesn't sound like you're taking 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.440 a slow I'm just I'm just saying, so the perfect 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.720 way to get to know somebody is like this. I 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.160 understand that, but I will use the defense that we 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.240 are quarantining together so that we have no choice. But 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.120 it's done all of our time together, and I just 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.760 I'm grateful for that, very grateful because we get along still. Well, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.240 I just yeah, I look up there and just have 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.280 so much respect for herself. So here's my segue into 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.800 moving on, do you feel like at this point, because 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.120 how many weeks have you been quarantined in Chicago? Um, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.120 I guess and now like a little over two and 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.520 a half maybe, So, do you feel like you know 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.720 Kelly better than you knew Hannah Ann or Madison at 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:50.280 this point? Yes? Yeah, yeah, sege go ahead. I know 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.360 you've spent a lot of time with her. Yea. I 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.560 know more about my husband now than I haven't. I 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.360 can see if the couples can make it through this 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.880 quarantine when you are locked in together twenty four seven, 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.040 you can make it through anything after this. It's very true. Yeah. No, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.440 I've definitely gotten to know her very well, everything that 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:11.960 kind of makes your tick and just kind of like 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:18.640 annoys all that stuff, and you're still there. Go ahead, Becca, Well, Peter, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.480 we have so many questions for you. I mean, we 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.360 have a list here and I was up late last 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.920 night writing and what I want to make sure to 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.080 ask you, because I'm sure I'm not the only one 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.360 who wants answers to everything. I want to start though, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.680 first by just kind of giving you the floor, because 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.720 I mean, it's been a while now since you're finale, 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.000 we haven't really heard too much from you. You know, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.400 you didn't do a press tour once everything went down, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.480 you kind of just, i mean not went off the grid, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.840 but you know, secluded away in Chicago, And so first 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.280 and foremost, I want to know, why, why now, why 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.640 this timing? Do you feel like it's right to finally 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.240 come out and chat with all of us and give 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.360 your side. And then I really want you to just 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.720 take it away. And I'm sure you have so much 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.360 on your chest that you want to start off by 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.280 saying and kind of clear the air on some things. Um, 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.680 So we'll save our deep, dark, tough questions for a 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.639 little bit later, Okay, Yeah, I, Um, I just I 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.400 just needed time that, you know, after the whole show ended. Obviously, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.159 you know a lot had gone on there. Um, you know, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.119 I obviously you know, yeah, I should do the press 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.119 to apologize for not really just being in headspace to 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:26.959 do that, but I just wasn't, um, and I know 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.000 Madison wasn't as well, And that was just a tough 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.000 couple of days for us. Right after. Um, that was 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.320 just kind of like the last thing on my mind. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.000 And um, obviously there was a lot of stuff that 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.919 had happened between Madison and I right after that show 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.600 and you know, into the next two days and then 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.800 after that, you know, I just wanted to essentially just 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.720 be there for my family. UM. I wanted us to 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.360 just you know, come together and um support each other. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:50.679 We were going through a lot. There was a lot 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.240 of you know, comments, all critics, everyone just it was 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.520 going It was kind of crazy, it was insane, and yeah, 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.520 I guess just press really was the last thing on 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.679 my mind. And um, you know, fast forward now a 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.280 couple of weeks, and I really like it. I know 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.440 it probably sounds crazy, like I'm in a really really 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.960 good place right now and I feel just really good, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.679 and um, I'm really happy to that you know that 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.560 I do feel that way, because it wasn't that way 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.000 for a while. Um, after everything kind of ended and 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.440 then just you know, having to see you so much 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.720 stuff and so much hate. That stuff's hard and that 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.440 stuff like just really took a while to kind of like, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.320 you know, I knew I thought I had tough skin, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.119 and this, you know, really tested that and now I 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:32.399 have even tougher skin. And um, yeah, I remember you know, 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.400 finally reaching out and like you know, saying like listen, 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.240 I'm ready to you know, kind of talk. And there's 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:37.919 just there was so much stuff out there that just 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.399 people were making all these claims and assumptions on just 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.600 like you know, guesses. There were no facts, like no 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.080 factual stuff, and so I'm all right, it's probably time 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.680 for me to just clear some stuff up. And and 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.920 so that's why I felt comfortable doing it. Um. Yeah, 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.440 it's been a rolwind crazy, crazy experience. But well, and 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.800 I will say this, I mean for people that come 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.000 for the shows, it's hard to kind of fathom like 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.800 what we go through. I think a lot of times, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.359 like any contestant who comes from the show kind of 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:13.439 gets objectified, and people think that they know everything about us, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.600 and they have their opinions and their comments. And it's 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.400 hard enough coming out of the show, especially as a lead, 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.560 and having all of that attention fixated on you, and 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.520 you have it coming in at all ends. You hear 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.080 great things, new hear terrible things. I can't imagine not 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.600 only that, but then having that come towards your family 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.560 members too, and the people you love the most. Like 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.600 I like props to you, and I hope that you 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.280 and your family you know, have taken some time to 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.560 talk and really sort things out and figure that out, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.520 because if anyone was coming from my mom like how 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.840 people were coming from barb Oh, I would have lost it. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.199 Like there's no way I would have been able to 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.360 handle that, and I would not have said cool, calm 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.520 and collected by any means. So props to you, I 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.440 hope I actually want to know. So you know, we 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.520 saw your parents take on after the final rows and 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.400 kind of where they stood in regards to your relationship 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.280 with Madison. Where are things now with you and especially 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.640 with your mom. Uh, we are in a really good 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.120 place as well right now, and I it's something that 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.280 like our relationship is just so close, like I sure 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.680 you guys have with your mom and I just you know, 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.040 I know she's just my number one fan and you 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.359 know it's only wanted what's best for me. Um, that 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.440 whole thing obviously just came from a place of love. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.080 Could the delivery of everything have been, you know, so different? Absolutely? 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.800 You know she's the first one to admit that, but 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.359 you know, from going down to that stage to or 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.199 having that stuff happen on stage, and then you know, 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:44.720 I didn't go home like for a couple because I 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.720 was still in the hotel being kept there for a 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.400 couple of days after. But when I did go home, 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.439 you know, it was just more of a and the 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.600 way my family dynamic kind of works is like we 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.320 are so close and yeah, I did it kind of 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.240 seem like a little much and a little dramatic when 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.399 it was, you know, what transpired, But that's just like 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.760 that's also my family, and like I feel like that's 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.520 a lot of families to be honest in everyday life, 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.919 just behind closed doors, you know, where people aren't going 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.879 to agree all the time. Family members are going to 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.239 just have their own opinions and be passionate about it. 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.520 And after kind of reflecting on it, it almost like 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.879 just made me even more proud of my mom that 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.840 you know, she you know obviously is very outspoken and 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.720 we'll speak her mind. And you know, being on live TV, 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.719 being in that pressure situation and having all this pressure 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.000 to kind of conform to like us maybe a possibly 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.280 a certain narrative. The fact that she didn't and doing 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.080 that out of her love for me is such a 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:40.040 beautiful thing. Um you know, delivery aside, like that's something nice, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.840 respect the hell out of my mom for and something 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.479 I wish I could be a little bit more like 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.680 her in regards to just like putting your foot down 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.359 and just like you know speaking, you know, your your 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:53.439 too heart. So we're doing really good. Um, we have 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.639 that relationship where you know, we come in and we 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.320 give each other a hug and nothing is gonna nothing 0:21:58.560 --> 0:21:59.879 is going to get in the way of that, and 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.960 it's all good. We'll always have each other's back. Um. 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.639 You know, we're a family, and you know, those are 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.679 the closest people to me and very lucky to have 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.760 that kind of relationship, you know. I I'm glad that 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.160 you guys are doing okay. I never had a doubt 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.400 that you wouldn't be fine. I think things just needed 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.560 to cool down. I think that you know, it's not 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:26.400 to me. It was a cultural thing, which I understood. Yeah, 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.200 and that's that's just in general. Who watches the show. 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.840 They don't understand things. I agree, and I think, like 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:36.000 you said, your mom agrees the delivery wasn't right, but 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.119 I understood the passion and the intention behind it. Um. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.560 You know, I've reach out to your mom. I talked 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:47.760 to your mom through so I definitely understand it all right. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.560 Happy our listeners. 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I do have 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.160 a question, Yeah, from what your mom said at the finale, 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:09.959 do you still think that mother knows best? And you know, 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.480 we can go into it you guys want, but you know, 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.000 the next two days with Madison and I, you know, 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.719 we had a lot of conversations and at the end 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:20.040 of the day, at the end of that second day, 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.760 we essentially were just proving my mom right. And um, 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.200 you know I've always heard that, yeah, mom's no best 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:27.920 and you know the reason that says out there, and 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.440 I think they do. I do have one main question. 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.240 I mean, as you know, we did get hannah AND's 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:37.600 take during the finale. The one question I have And 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.960 so I told Hannah, Hannah and this too. Like watching 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:44.399 that back, obviously I can empathize with her and relate 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.760 to her because I went through something so similar. I 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.560 want to know and this is one thing that and 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.560 I told her this. I don't think when I was 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.120 broken up with on TV and went through it all 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.640 like I wasn't able to process it with the cameras there. 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:01.440 I was so blindsided and just I really blacked out, 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.480 like I legit, did not know what to say. And 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.159 in her case, it seemed like she was much more 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.600 vocal to you. She she had a lot more to 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.520 say to you as I just hid in the bathroom 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.280 and cried. But my question for you, and this is 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.000 something that I had wanted to ask are during my 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.240 or his after the final roles, and I just never did. 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.640 When was the moment that it changed for you? Because 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.280 during the proposal and that day and we haven't talked 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.120 to Neil Lane seeing you, you looked so happy, so exctic, 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.719 you were kissing the ring. You just seemed like complete 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:35.840 one eighty from what we saw go down. And so 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.200 when was that one moment for you where things clicked 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.040 and you're like, this relationship isn't going to work out 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.320 and I have to now end things with my fiance. 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.760 It was, man, that was just like that was absolutely 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:53.679 like I keep saying, those is the hardest week of 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:57.040 my life. And I remember, yeah, that interaction I had, 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:02.320 you know with Neil Lane before that had happened. I remember, 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.000 you know, that their production was all setting up to film, 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:06.520 and that was in my hotel room and I was 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.080 like outside in the living room area, and before that happened, 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.200 like I like made an excuse to go into my 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.960 room and just get away from everyone for a second 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.399 and just like close the door and just like really 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.280 sat down and was like because I was just struggling 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.280 like no other obviously in regards like what had happened 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.840 with Madison and seeing if I could actually do this, 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.040 like the heartbreak that I was feeling, Could I actually 0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.200 pull myself together? Is it something that I truly felt 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.159 like I should be doing? And I remember sitting there 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.600 thinking that was like my last chance to maybe go 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.520 a different direction. And I just sat there for probably 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.480 twenty minutes just in my own head like really like 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.920 what do I do? What do I do? Just so confused. 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.159 And I'm the reason I bring that up is just 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.760 like this stuff like I'll just be so honest, like 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.679 I'm not obviously proud of it, but these questions, you know, 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.040 began probably even before I even propose, And I know, 0:26:58.240 --> 0:26:59.879 looking back on it now, that should have been like 0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:03.240 a clear sign to me, but I did know that 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.720 I love Hannah Ann. I did know that I felt 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:07.760 heartbreak in the past, and then I could get over it. 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:09.720 I would get over it. And did I want to 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.399 possibly let this temporary pain that, Yeah, I can't have 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.760 time to process this right now like a normal relationship 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.320 and grieve it, but I want to let this possibly 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.120 take away something or prevent me from getting into something 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.240 so beautiful down the road for the rest of my life. 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.760 I made the decision to go forward, and I guess, 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:27.640 you know, kind of convinced myself that I was ready 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.040 to propose to Hannah Anne. And again, I'm not proud 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.960 of that, but that's the truth. And I kept just 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.439 filding on to the love that I had for her 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.960 and just what the potential. And then I guess after 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.400 the show's over, now you know, we would do happy couples, 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:43.879 and you know, I got to see her, you know, 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.560 three or four times, and during those visits, you know, 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.760 I had I love like I love Hannah and I 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.520 truly I'm such a big fan of Hannah Ann and 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.919 I always will be. We've always had a great time together. 0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:58.960 I just think that slowly but sure that I just 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.520 noticed that maybe we weren't as compatible as I thought 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.719 we were. And I say that in regards possibly just 0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.280 like the two of us challenging each other in a relationship. 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.800 I just didn't I didn't necessarily feel it as much 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:13.240 as I thought I was going to UM in those 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.159 next couple of meetings and listen, a little bit of 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.840 it too was unresolved feelings for you know, for Madison, 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:19.560 and that was the stuff that I struggled with like 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:23.320 no other. So as crazy of an answer, you know, 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:29.000 obviously it started even before UM and that's not easy 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:33.040 to admit, but that's the truth, and so I lied. 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:38.600 Now I have questions. I knew you were going to rage. Well, 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.960 I I'm listening to you talk. Do you feel that 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.480 you were pressured into proposing to Hannah m Ask? Yeah? 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.800 I I think it was just my own self imposed pressure. 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.240 I really do think that, Like, yeah, I did. I 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:56.960 didn't need to come out of this? Was that no 0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:58.920 go ahead? Sorry, I didn't like need to go into 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:00.400 the show and like come out of age and like 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.560 if I don't like it really wasn't like that. But 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:07.880 I don't know at that at the end there I 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.880 just I saw such like a I really did I 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:14.040 saw all the potential in the world for an amazing relationship. 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.160 I had never ever felt, ever felt the love from 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.360 someone like Hannah and and showed me ever in my 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:20.840 entire life. And I was one of the biggest things 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.800 that I was looking for coming into this process, and 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.280 she showered that on me like no other. Similarly to 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.120 how I've felt like I've given that to women in 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.440 the past, it haven't you know, haven't reciprocated it to me. 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.080 I finally found that, and I was like, I can't 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:34.760 I can't lose this girl. Like this girl is like 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.920 she's just amazing in every way, She's perfect in every way. 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:39.680 It almost seems like too good to be true. But 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.080 that's just who Hannahn is. And so I put a 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.760 lot of pressure on myself. I mean, I'm a little 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.080 bit from the show. Yeah sure I can. Yeah, I 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.880 can admit that, and um, yeah, it's just it's a 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.200 tough tough week for me. So Peter, that last week, 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.600 especially that last day, then do you think, like, did 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.360 it ever cross your mind to just say, you know, 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.160 I still love Hannah Ann even though I am heartbroken 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:08.320 from Madison leaving. But instead of committing and you know, 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.440 getting down on one knee and giving her that ring. 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.480 Did it ever cross your mind to just say, like, hey, 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.840 let's stay together, let's see where this goes. Let's not 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.680 put the pressure of an engagement on this relationship, but 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.840 I still want to see where our relationship can go. 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.920 It did. It totally did. And my thought process and 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.600 that just was I felt a little bit of it, 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.280 you know, and grant looking back, Hannah and probably would have, 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:33.880 you know, wish that I would have done that, But 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:36.440 in the moment, I was thinking, you know, it might 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.000 just be I was trying to pull myself in Hannah 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:40.640 and shoes and like if someone said that to me, 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.120 like it would obviously pull me back and take a 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.840 couple of steps back. Now thinking how serious you actually 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.640 were in the relationship, and you know, a lot of 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.040 this show too, it's like it's a beautiful, beautiful moment 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.080 that you two can share together and remember for the 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.280 rest of your lives. And while yes, I can admit 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:57.760 that I was heartbroken and I was dealing with a 0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.680 lot of stuff at that time, again, I kept looking 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.200 too what could be with us, and I didn't want 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.480 to possibly take a beautiful moment that we could look 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.080 back on it and be like so happy that I 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.440 did do it and we have it documented now, you know, 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.960 for for the rest of our lives. Like that was 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:13.600 a big reason why I wanted to do the show, 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.080 was you know, to hopefully have my story documented that 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.920 I could pass down, you know, my kids and my 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.400 grandkids and they could all see it. And again that's 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.840 probably wasn't the best thinking, but that's what I was 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.240 going through my head. So when we had Hannah Ann 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.680 on the show, she you know, like she gave her 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.680 side and her like how it affected her and everything. 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.200 And one of the things that she said that really 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.280 stood out to us was that when your season started, 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.160 that's when you started to question things. Maybe you were 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.040 already questioning them internally, but you started to say things 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.560 to her that made her feel like, Okay, maybe we 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.920 aren't where I thought we were. So did making the 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:55.760 season back because like first first maybe first episode you 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.000 had your date with Madison, I think they structure was different. 0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.000 So watching that first date, is that when you started 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.760 to say, oh, I need to actually start telling her 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:07.160 how I feel. Is that when it started for you? 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.040 Because then and this is the follow up. The second 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.720 episode was with Hannah Brown and then she made that 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.320 comment on stage, Oh you felt like you need a 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:21.880 closure with Hannah Brown? Right? Um? So I obviously was, 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.840 you know, dealing with it internally in regards to just 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.080 my feelings though from Madison at that point, and hadn't 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.640 really vocalized that to her. Obviously. I when when I 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.320 saw the first episode, it made it tough for me, 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.840 It really didn't. Obviously, it was like a really great 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:38.479 memory for me. It was a great first you know, 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.880 one on one date with Madison. And that was again 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.240 the first time that I opened up to Hannah and 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.160 about kind of where I was struggling. And I struggled 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:46.880 with that so much because that's the last thing I 0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.520 want to be putting on her is Yeah, She's like, 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.680 you know, she's my person now and you should feel 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.760 comfortable leaning on that person and sharing anything with them 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.680 and you know, venting of them. But it's like that's 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.160 so inappropriate and so weird and not what she wants 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.680 to hear, um, especially them being the final two in 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:03.880 the end. So I like, I was like, how do 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.240 I go about this the right way? Um? But then 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.080 I just continued to open up and really let her know, 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.760 like where I was struggling and why I felt what 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:12.280 I felt. I just felt like I needed to tell 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:16.719 her that and she needed to know. And um. And 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.320 then in regards to like you know with Hannah Brown, 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:22.640 m listen on stage when she made those comments, but 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.280 and she she brought up yeah, we uh brought up 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:30.360 the closure with Hannah Brown. True. What that was in 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:35.040 reference to though, was so we had watched the first 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.960 two episodes I think like in December, we had gone 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.600 like the copy before obviously it all aired, and we 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.360 were watching it at our first Happy Couple weekend, and 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:46.680 I guess Hannah Brown had been given the copy too, 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.720 say she watched it. And then Hannah Brown had reached 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.080 out to me on Instagram and direct message me and 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.720 said that, um, hey, like I had just seen the 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.280 first episode that was really rough, tough to watch, like 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.680 you know, um, like, how are you doing with all that? 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:01.440 Like I don't know how how I feel about it? 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.280 And so then when I got that, that's when I 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.000 went to Hannah Ann and I was like, hey, listen, 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.080 Hannah Brown and reached out to me, I want to 0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:10.160 see if you're comfortable with me like continue to talk 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.480 and possibly give her closure give me closure and all 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.880 this because of how everything ended, would you be okay 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.600 with that? Um? And she, you know obviously was a 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.759 little like uneasy about it, understandably, and but finally I 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:23.480 was like, listen as long just don't see her in person, 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.520 but yeah you can, you guys can talk about it 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.400 and and you know, handle all that stuff. So I said, okay, thanks, 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:31.440 and then you know, Hannah and I, Hannah Brown and 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.640 I just continue to talk through things. And she had 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.160 been getting some like negative reactions from the you know, 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.000 from the first episode in the second one when I 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.800 actually started airing too, and so we're just being supportive 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.319 of each other. I've always been, you know, that way 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.560 for Hannah Brown as she's been for me. And that's 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.800 what that was. In regards to what kind of closure 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.520 in that scenario were you looking for, because it seems 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.040 like the way that you guys left it on the 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.480 show when you know she was in your dressing room 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:00.759 and who has had that moment, it seems like it 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.880 ended there. So what kind of closure for me as 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:06.879 a viewer? Like what was missing? Like what did you 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.160 both still need? I guess, well, I know you can't 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.160 speak for Hannah Brown, but what did you need in 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:15.759 that instance? Right? Um? And when I when I like, 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:20.000 I guess when I say closure, Um, I just like 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.879 I had brought that word up to Hannah and just 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.439 because Hannah Brown was expressing to me that she didn't 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.000 feel good about watching the episode, So like for me, 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.920 I was, you know, I was, I was moved on 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.120 and I I really was, and I was you know, 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:35.000 at the end of the show, I kept thinking, to 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:36.759 be honest, I kept thinking, they're gonna bring Hanah Brown 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:38.839 at the finale and they were going to somehow sure, 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.120 why not possibly see you know what I would do? 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.480 But I really was like I had had the closure 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.839 that I needed. Was it tough to watch? Absolutely? But 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.120 closure wasn't one hundred It wasn't necessarily for me. Um. 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:55.040 But back to that first episode and that whole date. Honestly, Um, 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.600 we just ran out of time and we had to 0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.759 go to a night portion of the date later on, 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.239 and a conversation had to get wrapped up. It wasn't 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.160 necessarily an our doing. We were told we had to, 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.719 we had to finish it, and and so kind of 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.400 left just like it was a little bit weird and 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.160 odd because here we are and we're obviously two people 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:16.200 that have had strong feelings for each other in the past, 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.000 and we're reminiscing on that and not knowing what to do. 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.160 I told people, like in that moment. It didn't get aired, 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.160 but I told her, like, I'll leave the show right now. 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.360 I got to the Bachelor if like there's something you 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:31.080 wanted to sue, and you know, you go from that 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.000 and you have that serious, serious conversation and then it 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:34.759 literally just was like, all right, guys, the time's up. 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:36.520 We have to we have to wrap this. And so 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.400 we gave each other a hug and and just like 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.640 wish each other well, and then I left and that's 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.279 how it ended. It was like, not the most ideal 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:46.960 way to end something like that. Yeah, well in that 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:48.880 on the show too, And what we saw is that 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.200 basically when Hannah, Hannah b said that, you know, single 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.839 out the end of this talk to her. So since then, 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.239 I mean, obviously we don't know what's going on with 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.440 her and Tyler and whatnot, but I mean, does that 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.239 off her soul stand or have you even heard from 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.839 her to this day? We've talked since I did get 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:09.080 her number from when she started DM and me on Instagram, 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.400 and you know, we've just been very very supportive of 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:16.280 each other. I saw her at Dylan and Hannah's engagement 0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:20.799 party and just really just really cordial and um, yeah, 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:25.000 there's no love loss there at all. And she's just 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:26.719 been someone that I've been able to lean on a lot, 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.879 and she's like literally always been there for me. Does 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.760 any advice I needed? Just event like, she's been someone 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:33.040 that I've been able to go to and is a 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.200 really safe space and very grateful for her doing that 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.960 for me. But there's nothing there between the two of you. No, nothing, 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:47.240 nothing romantically as you know, pursuing each other. No. Great, 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:52.399 So Madison, wait are you done with Hannah Anne? Yes? 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.160 So yeah, we can I think rocking and rolling. Well, 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:56.759 oh wait, I guess I will ask you. Have you 0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:01.920 spoken to Hannah Ann since the finale? Not since the finale? 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:07.680 So just when? When? When the breakup day happened? Um, 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.920 you know, she obviously left and then later that day 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:11.279 it was you know, I just sent her you know, 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.600 long text was kind of obviously just apologizing again, just 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.840 saying essentially that I will always me and my family 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.720 will always be there for her no matter what. And 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.360 I sent it a long text to the you know, 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.040 her family as well. We had a group text chain 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.080 going then heard back from anyone. I called Hnnah and 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.160 once later that day. Obviously she didn't you know, she 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.600 didn't pick her up, she didn't really want to talk 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.080 to me, and um, yeah, so then I saw her afar. 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.239 I talked with her dad a couple of times. He 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:35.520 had called me um on two occasions leading up to 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.480 a far just kind of trying to ask about, um, 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.160 where my head was at and what possibly might happen, 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.840 what he could expect, just as you know, protection protecting 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.360 his daughter, which I understood, um, and I tried to 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:48.919 give him as much as I could, but obviously contra 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.640 actually I wasn't necessary allowed to do so much. So 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.880 that was that was tough for me. Um. But I 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.200 haven't talked to Hannah and after yeah, and I mean 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.160 I guess I get that, and rightfully so like her 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.880 new brand now too is you know, she stood up 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.560 to you and you know, found her voice and you know, 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.359 moved on from that. So I think it will you know, 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:15.040 be backtracking exactly. You know, that's no, I believe me. 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.600 I want her to just thrive and just absolutely have 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.279 the most amazing, beautiful life ever find her person and 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.720 I treat you like I love that girl. I always 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.880 will and no matter how she feels about me, Um, 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.040 I'll always always want the best herd is Kelly friends 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:33.360 with Hannah Anne and Madison. She yeah, she is, Um 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:38.160 was she and maybe she's not now seeing the new circumstances. No, 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:42.000 she Kelly and Hannah Anna talked m and they're they're 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.000 they're very Yeah, Corgil, it's been very friendly. Um, you know, 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.600 she's uh, Hannah Anne's been you know, I guess understanding 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.719 of everything from what I've heard, and I know they 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.520 have talked. I don't know about with Madison, but um, 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.240 I do know that Hannah Anne and Kelly are good good. 0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.239 I like to hear that. I want to know. I mean, 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.040 obviously we don't what's going on with filming future seasons 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.399 because of this whole coronavirus going on. But like, if 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.280 Hannah Ann or Madison or any of the other girls 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.040 like Kelly or I'm sorry Kelsey for that matter, where 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:14.200 to go on Paradise or potentially become Bouchart in the future, 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.279 would that be weird for you or are you at 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.680 the point where you do truly wish them the best, 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.040 and you're just like you know what you do, you 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:26.239 I promise, like I really am at that point. I 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.759 still see like I know how I felt about them 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.520 just a few weeks ago, a few months ago. And 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.319 I say, I've said that before, like I was asked 0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:40.040 that question since Chris Hannah Brown's season, Like it's the 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:41.719 same for them. I will always have rather than my 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.080 heart for them, like they are two very important people 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.640 to me that through two months we had an amazing, 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:51.040 amazing experience together in relationship. But I trust me, Like 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.279 I would that be weird obviously seeing them probably with 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:58.480 someone else, Yeah, I think so, But I really I 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.400 just want them to be happy and um just want 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.840 the best. I think it would be weird if it 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.040 depending on who it was, right, Like if you saw 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.160 them with another Batter Nation person, it would be like 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.320 whoa if it was yeah, it's one of the guys 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.120 I think from like Hannah Brown season, it might be 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:15.480 a little bit stranger, But I can't right then, you'd 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:17.759 be pot kettle. Look look where you are right now. 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.480 You know exactly exactly. And I'm not trying to be 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:26.920 hypocrite at all. So um, okay, Madison, So where to 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:30.200 even start with this? I will preface this by saying 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:35.120 I was so pro Matt, you and Madison together until 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:40.320 you all had the second date and she spoke about 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:44.160 her faith. Totally fine, I'm a Christian as well. And 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.560 then I guess it was the next week where then 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.719 she told you she gave you the ultimatum call it 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:55.840 which you want, it's what it was, and but didn't 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.560 but then didn't tell you that she was saving herself 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:02.040 for marriage. Okay, So that's when things started to change 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.840 to me, because things don't make sense, and I think, 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.400 and my hope is to get some clarity here because 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.279 what you guys say, and by that I mean you 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:16.560 and Madison based on what she does or you do, 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.920 doesn't add up and doesn't make like. They don't match up. 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.719 Your words don't match up with your actions, and I 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.279 think that's where I get confused. So then I have 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:27.640 to deduce, like logically, try to figure out Okay, well, 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.960 then this is what makes sense based on actions, right, 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:35.560 actions speak louder than words. So I'm trying, maybe Becca, 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.439 you go in, because I'm trying to figure out where 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.719 I want to start with this line of questioning to 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.839 try to understand your relationship with Madison. Well, and I 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.560 think this is a good point. You use the word ultimatum, 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:49.200 Rachel and Peter. When she threw that out there, you said, 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.640 you know, I agree to disagree with you. We haven't 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:54.719 had a conversation with you, and we haven't had one 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:58.400 with Madison yet. I think when that episode aired, I 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:01.319 believe that week we probably had to Chris Harrison or something, 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:03.440 and he obviously give his take, but it's not you 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:07.400 or Madison. And so you felt like it wasn't an ultimatum. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:12.759 But what makes you say that? Just because if I 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.000 were to say that, and I feel like I would 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.920 just be a hypocrite because the very first night of 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.000 the entire you know, the show, that's opening night in 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.600 the Mansion. In my opening toast to all the women, 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.319 I asked them to please, whatever is on your heart, 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.600 always feel comfortable sharing that with me. Don't hold back, 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.000 whether it's good, bad, ugly. You think it's gonna hurt 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:33.960 my feelings, piss me off, or make me happy, or 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.080 you're feeling it for me. Please, I want this to 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.520 be an open connection where you can feel comfortable. And 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.320 so yeah, it was later, way later on in the 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:45.560 whole journey there, but all that Madison was doing, she 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.120 wasn't telling me you have to do this or this. 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:51.760 She simply had something on her heart that she felt 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:55.239 I should know. We were in a relationship, and in 0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.000 my opinion, that's completely acceptable for someone to express how 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.680 they're feeling. And if I were to do something, it 0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.560 would make it really difficult for them to continue and 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.360 they possibly have to reevaluate. She was never making a 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:09.160 you have to do this or that. She said, and 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:10.480 this is how I'm going to feel. I feel like 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:12.600 you should know this. It's important because we are dating. 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:18.440 If you do this, then this right, that's an ultimatum. 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.000 You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't mean 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.680 that she can't express it to you, like to express 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.440 how she's feeling, you know. And I don't want to 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:29.759 argue whether it is an ultimatum or it isn't. My 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:34.839 issue more so is did you feel a certain way 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.040 knowing that you know you and Madison have this relationship. 0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:41.560 You constantly defended her with your family, saying you don't 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.000 know Madison like I do. So obviously you guys shared 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.000 a lot that we didn't get to see and we 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.359 didn't really see the development of your relationship. So did 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:53.160 it not bother you that she could be so upfront 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:58.680 about everything except that, No, that did And I asked her, 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.719 you know, why she didn't express that stuff to me 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:05.440 earlier on why she waited so long? And I do 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:07.400 think that it would have probably made a difference in 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.080 possing my actions moving forward. I can't say for sure, 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.319 because I truly wanted to stay so present and I'm 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.959 intentional with each of the other two relationships going forward 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:21.080 into that week. But yeah, I question that, and her 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:26.000 response to me was and I can I can understand 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:31.400 it is the timing of our relationship started off with 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.920 the first date. We were the very first one on one. 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.160 Maybe not something you bring up on the very first 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.200 date when you okay, so it wasn't going to happen 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:43.399 there group dates during the daytime, it doesn't happen. You're 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.840 having a fun time doing something in the night portions 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.920 if you do see the person, because it's not always guaranteed, 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:52.040 it's a quick maybe ten minutes, it's not necessarily something 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:55.280 super super allowable to have like a really deep important conversation. 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.040 I agree past there the next date wasn't. The one 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.120 on one was in Peru and an amazing part of 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.799 the day, and then the night portion she did open 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:05.480 up a lot to me about stuff and her faith, 0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.520 and she could have brought it up there. I could 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.440 have seen that was the one opportunity for her to 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.680 do it if she wanted to. I think I maybe, 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.080 And she told me, She's like, I wasn't expecting you 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:16.279 to kind of like have a conversation go that way. 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:17.880 When I expressed her that I was falling in love 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.040 with her, I think that might have thrown her off 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.239 a little bit in regardless of what she fully wanted 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.560 to get out. Maybe maybe not. And then it just 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:27.880 to be honest, it's like, you look for the times 0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:29.879 where it could have been really appropriate because we don't 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.640 get time off camera for her to have told me it. 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.040 It was kind of difficult just how the timing worked out. 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.240 Do you think religion is a difficult conversation to discuss 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:43.560 with someone when you don't know what their belief is. Yeah, exactly, 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.279 I do too. And when she had that second date 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.960 with you, I thought, Wow, good for her. You know, 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.480 she's like, this is what I believe, this is my 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:56.880 faith this is what I want out of a husband, 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:00.840 and to me, it was the golden opportunity to express 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:04.640 all of it. And that's why I'm very curious as 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:06.920 to what you thought about that, because I thought, well, 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:09.640 why would you hold that back? You have admitted that 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:13.520 it probably would have affected your decision moving forward. You 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.960 don't know for sure because hindsight we just don't know, 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:20.280 but it would have made you kind of go, huh, okay, 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:24.799 that's that's I wasn't expecting that, especially since you were 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:27.120 You said you wanted the women to be open from 0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:30.440 night one, and you gave that speech to the women 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:33.239 that first night. You also were very honest with them. 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:37.640 You're a very open person, intimate, believe in having that 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:42.120 intimacy with your significant other, and you don't you don't 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:43.800 hold back from that. I mean, you're in front of 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:51.600 your family. So I think my question was when when 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.759 she said when she didn't tell you, but then, as 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.600 from the audience, we knew at that point that she 0:47:56.800 --> 0:48:00.400 was saving herself for marriage. I just didn't think that 0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:04.680 it was fair to go on this season with a 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:09.680 man who has expressed is sexual, has expressed that intimacy 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.879 is important to him, so It's not like you're going 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:17.120 on Sean Lowe's season, right, He's going on your season. Okay, 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.319 Peter sex at all in Bill four times, blah bla 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.960 blah blah blah blah blah. It's just saying, that's how 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.319 you were, That's how you were build America. Get it. Yeah, 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.640 So she comes on your season knowing that she wants 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:29.799 to save yourself, knowing that you're this person. Did you 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.600 ever question yourself? Why would you come on my season 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:37.440 knowing that I'm this way only to possibly eliminate yourself 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:43.960 for that reason? Definitely question? It brought up a lot 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.160 of questions to her in kind of reference to that, 0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:50.080 and I think to kind of start with, um, you know, 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:51.919 I remember asking her, like, so, why did you because 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:53.520 I've heard a lot of people saying, you know, you 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.919 you most likely knew Peter and like what he kind 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:58.560 of was about and the person he was and what 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:00.680 he was comfortable and what he wasn't a little with doing. 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:02.719 Why did you feel like that would be the right 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.520 person to go on the Bachelor for it? And you know, 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:07.759 she came back and she listen that just it is 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:11.080 annoying to her to hear because She's never been someone 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.920 that wanted to judge, Like I truly don't feel like 0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:16.560 Madison is a judgemental person like at all. She can 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:18.640 be very you know, prideful, and that's like a great 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:23.239 quality too, but she it's not someone that I think 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:27.160 is is a huge judger. And you know, she said 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:28.960 she had Listen, I didn't want to just because of 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:30.520 what your past was, like, I'm not going to judge 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:32.359 you at all and that hold anything against you, like 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:34.640 I if this was going to work for us, let's 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:39.759 take from that point on moving forward of of you know, 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:42.359 any possible judgment if you wanted to use. She had 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.480 you know, she actually had been someone that had been 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.000 I guess nominated by like a family friend to come 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.800 on the show. And it wasn't necessarily her at first, 0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:52.200 and she didn't know she wanted to do it, and 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:53.600 she thought about it a lot and kind of let 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:55.400 the process run and then until she had to actually 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.160 make a decision if this is something she wanted to do, 0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.560 and then she was you know, from what she told me, 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.839 it was something that she just decided like why not. 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.319 You know, this this could be a you know, an 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.960 amazing opportunity to go find someone. Why not? Well, work, 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:09.280 I have no idea, but why not? I think maybe 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:11.439 a little bit of it, if I had to guess, 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:16.000 was her in the beginning thinking I don't know if 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:17.360 this is my person, but like, this could be a 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.000 really cool opportunity. I'll be fair. But I do know 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.600 that that quickly changed with her, and she quickly realized, No, 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.480 this is someone that I really actually am feeling something for. 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.400 And again, I don't think there's really anything wrong with that. 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.640 Because people that you want to say, oh, I came 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:32.799 on just for you, and I knew I was in 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:34.640 love with you from the beginning, I don't know if 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:41.000 I buy so her honesty with that is something I appreciated. Yeah, 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:43.040 I'm not trying to like defend her too much in 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:46.279 all this. I'm just very curious. We haven't had an 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:50.080 opportunity to talk to her. So I'm just curious as 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:52.920 to what your thoughts were about that, because I totally 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:54.800 agree with that you have no idea at the beginning 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.160 how it's going to be, and then you slowly start 0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:01.320 to see yourself fall, which is usually in most cases, 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:07.480 and but then my thought is still, okay, so why 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:12.319 couldn't you be fully open about what is so important 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.320 to you and what you so value. If you value 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:18.839 it like that, why are you waiting until you know 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.879 the thirteenth hour right to finally say something. I wish 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.920 I get confused. I do wish you would have I 0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.480 and I think I think maybe the fear might have 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:32.440 been she would have gone home and she didn't want 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:35.399 to go home for whatever reason that may be. That's it's, 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:37.600 oh my god, if I tell him this, maybe I'll 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:43.000 go home. Yeah, that's that's totally fair. Um, I she 0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:47.160 wouldn't have gone home, but I could totally see her 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.919 in that moment. Yeah, having those thoughts. Do you think 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:54.400 And this is something that we've talked about obviously without 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:57.200 you and trying to say like the what if, so 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:01.360 say you get you got to that fantasy suite week. Obviously, 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.000 that week in itself was very different for your season 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.040 because this was the one time all of the girls 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.719 were still living together under the same roof during that 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:14.000 very weird intimate week. Had it gone differently, and I 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:16.600 know you don't necessarily have a say in the dates 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:20.200 and who goes win, but had Medicine gone first, had 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.400 you spent that first overnight with her, maybe just talking, 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:26.160 maybe just getting to know one another, and went on 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:28.520 after that with the other two women. Do you think 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.239 anything would have panned out differently? Do you think she 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.759 still would have had that moment where she potentially was like, look, 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.120 I can't do this, I have to remove myself or 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.319 do you think that would not have taken place had 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.760 she gone first? Yeah, I know it would. It wouldn't 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:44.640 or it would have changed things that she would have 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:50.000 gone first, and I would have known that obviously, we 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:53.080 would have probably most likely I discussed that in the 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:57.399 fantasy suite. Even look now, knowing what I know, if 0:52:57.440 --> 0:52:59.239 I would have had a fantasy suit with her, you know, 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.080 we wouldn't have at the night with each other. We 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.200 would have she would have been comfortable with talking with me, 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:05.280 you know, for a couple of hours. But that's something 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:06.920 also that you know, she had mentioned me she is 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:09.840 saving her marriage. Is just that kind of time just 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:14.239 spent with you know, someone overnight, even with nothing physically happening. Um, 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:19.600 something I can totally respect. But yeah, if I if 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:21.680 I would have had her first, I would had a 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:25.520 little bit more knowledge about everything. And again, the hardest 0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:27.279 part for me was I always tried my best to 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.160 be so intentional with each relationship and just get lost 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:32.160 in that relationship. That's what I did from the day 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:33.680 one till the very end. That's how I felt I 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:38.440 could actually make this work for me. And but yeah, 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.160 if you asked that question, yeah, I think it would 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.279 have been different. But if so, if that were the case, 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.400 then and you know you had Medicine's fantasy sweet night. 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.400 First move on to the next two girls. I mean, 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:51.319 because you yourself admitted when she asked you that night, 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:53.080 you know, like have you been intimate with these two 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:54.960 other women? And you and I will say, I think 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.400 you handled that situation. Yeah you did. Like kudos to 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.879 you for how you approached it, because that's really really 0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:04.160 tough situation had like would would you have gone in 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.200 and still been intimate with those girls because of you know, 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.800 it's it's an important part to relationships, as you've said yourself, 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:15.319 And so I don't under like, I can't imagine you 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:20.160 not having the same reaction in moment and evening with 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:24.920 the other two girls. Like for me, it's like, if 0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:26.480 you want it's going to be intentional, If you're going 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:30.120 to be intentional and put yourself in every single relationship, right, 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:34.359 and it's like you want to exhaust every relationship till 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:35.879 you get to the end. If that's where it needs, 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:37.640 if that's what you need to do to get there, 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.520 to figure out each relationship and what is truly best 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:42.560 for you at the end of this, you probably would 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.680 have still had to do the same things. And so 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.200 in my mind then it makes it tough to see 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.160 like had she gone first, yes, maybe you would have 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.040 gone into the next two nights and the next two 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:54.399 dates with the other two women, knowing how she would 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.920 have felt. But at the end of the day, like 0:54:57.040 --> 0:55:01.040 things still probably would have taken place to I think, 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.120 like allow for her to still have that moment of 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:07.200 being like, maybe I do need to remove myself. No, 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:10.920 I think you're right. Yeah, I can't say for sure 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:13.040 what I would have done. I guess I'll take that back. 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.799 I do. I believe it possibly could have changed things. 0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:17.680 It definitely, Listen would have given it a lot more 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:23.120 gravity if I would have known that stuff before. And Listen, Peter, 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:25.080 would you have pulled a Colton and just ended the 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:28.759 season event like I'm all in with this one girl. No, 0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:32.200 I'm not gonna say that, but I just again, it 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.000 would have just given it a lot more gravity the 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.959 whole situation. And but then what you guys are saying, 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:40.600 that's what I said as well, Like while I was, 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.320 you know, on this show, like I wanted to be intentional, 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.240 I wanted to get lost in that relationship and explore 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.000 everything I needed to. I've always felt, and I still feel, 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:50.320 like intimacy is a huge important part of relationship. I 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.480 have different views, obviously than I see in regards to 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:54.000 that and what I'm saving it for not saving it for. 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:56.600 And that's totally fine that we have those different views. 0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:00.840 But for me, I guess, like you say, yeah, I say, swine, twine, 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:02.840 We'll never know because I'll never be put in that 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:05.959 situation again. She says that you're not compatible. She talks 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.520 about you guys not being compatible. There's just too many differences. 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.719 You just have two different lifestyles. Whether she realized that 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.000 with you, with talking to your family, that was the 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.880 conclusion that she came to, and so she felt it 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:21.560 was best to self eliminate. I actually agreed with that decision. 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.840 So then we see what happens move forward. You engaged 0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:28.320 to Hannah Anne, you break up with Hannah Anne, Then 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:30.759 the moment you break up with Hannah, Anne, what is 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.920 your thought? Is your thought I can go pursue Madison 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.840 or you did you reach out to her? Tell the truth, 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:40.160 because I've seen these rumors that apparently y'all have mutual 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:44.680 friends and y'all were hanging out. So go ahead. Yeah, no, 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:46.880 we So we do have a mutual friend that she 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:49.920 had met on the first date, So one of my 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.719 close friends from high school. She had met her on 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:54.960 that first date of my parents dalarnual ceremony, and they 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:59.640 had stayed close and connected. We would talk, you know, 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.839 that mutual friend. I guess both of us obviously on 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:05.919 our own and you know she did it. My friend 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:08.560 did a good job of respecting each other's privacy and 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:11.239 not like she wouldn't tell me anything that Madison was 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:13.600 saying like she wouldn't. He was really respecting that. That's 0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:15.200 why I knew I could obviously trust her to do 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:19.000 the same. Did I have like when the relationship ended 0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:21.600 it with Hannah, and did I have thoughts about possibly 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:23.880 reaching out? I did, but I just feel like that 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.480 that wasn't my place to do it. She had left me. 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.880 I did not leave her, and if anything, like that 0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:32.280 was ever going to happen. It was like, I just 0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:34.200 didn't see how it'd be right for me to go 0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:35.800 reach out her, like she'd already said no to me once, 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:40.000 and so that's why I didn't. So prior to breaking 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:43.720 up with Hannah Anne, you you yourself had no contact 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:47.840 with Madison up until that point, correct, And then afterwards 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:51.560 then I guess I'm confused. And so we see Chris 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.720 Harrison go to Madison bring Madison back to you, and 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.040 you didn't expect to see her. So did you have 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.280 a conversation with Chris to be like, yeah, maybe go 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.439 get hurt. Did you know any of this was going down? 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:04.480 I knew none of that was going down. The only 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.400 thing I knew about was one of the one of 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.080 my producers, had just mentioned to me, like, hey, you 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.920 see some pictures Madison was like a film crew right now. 0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:14.040 I guess they went to like in Auburn, in her hometown, 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.880 and they couldn't tell me what it was about. And 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:19.440 that's kind of like they just wanted to give me 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.480 heads up, Hey you might see some pictures, like don't 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:24.160 like freak out. I was like, okay, but did you 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:27.640 think she was going to be bachelorette. Did she think it? No, 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:30.120 did you think that? I definitely thought there was a 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:35.200 chance for that, and I guess that's where did I 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:37.400 think possibly something could be going on in regards to 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.120 like me, I did, but I didn't know for sure. 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:45.360 So that's why when she did surprise me, I obviously 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.080 was very shocked, and I expect to see her there. 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:48.400 I was. I was told I was gonna talk to 0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:50.000 Chris that dad, and so like they just had me 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:52.320 doing some b roll looking around and and then I 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.000 hear the heels come in and like that. But and 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:57.360 then that's my soul Madison. Yeah, that interaction was weird. 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:00.520 I'll just be honest, y'all. Didn't I knew you were 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:03.240 caught off guard. I could tell you were surprised. Yeah, 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.959 but she knew she was coming to see you, right, 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:10.160 and it was just off like she didn't seem that excited. 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:12.440 I mean, she we had just seen her say that 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:15.680 she still loves you, right, obviously you still loved her. 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.640 You didn't express it then, but we learned it. I 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:21.600 just and you, being the person that you are, just 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:27.919 just very passionate, y'all just seem like, okay, here we are. 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:33.000 It just didn't seem it was kind of underwhelming. M Yeah, 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:37.760 what what what was that? I agree? And because I 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.560 even I think even to on stage at Afar people, 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:42.920 I've heard comments like they just the chemistry didn't really 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.480 seem there at all. Oh yeah, it was not Okay, 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:48.439 it wasn't you're you're right, You're totally right. I don't 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:50.560 know if it was just nerves it was it was 0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:55.840 just being you know, uncomfortable. Um, I don't know what 0:59:55.880 --> 1:00:00.240 it was that you guys bring up a really valid point. Yeah, 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.560 it seemed a little odd. I agree. Do you think 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:05.640 it had something to do with and Rachel and I 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:07.440 think talked about this on the same podcast that we 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:10.640 had Hannah Ann on. So basically, I think my like 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:13.280 as a viewer, I felt like I was lacking in 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:18.680 that entire ending scenario because basically Madison had removed herself 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.720 because she felt like, you guys weren't compatible, your lifestyles 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:25.200 didn't maybe line up, and she just couldn't see it 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:28.000 working in the long run. So she then removes herself 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:31.200 at the end, only to then come back after talking 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:33.880 with Chris, and you know, she told Chris like, I 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:37.840 love Peter, who knows where this could go. Let's see. 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:41.840 So she then comes to surprise you in La. But really, 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:44.200 like what was going through my mind that entire time 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:47.800 was that, like nothing's changed up until that point, Like 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:49.960 guess maybe she still loves you, know, has those feelings, 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:54.840 but if ultimately she felt like the lifestyles weren't going 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.040 to be compatible, like that's still the case, Like nothing 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:01.959 is any different besides here saying like, oh, Peter ended 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:05.080 his engagement with Hannah Anne. So I feel like if 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:07.280 I were to be you or her and this is 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:09.600 just me being me and how I would react, I 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:11.880 would like I probably wouldn't have gone out to La 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:13.960 because I would have still been like, Okay, yeah, you 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:16.000 can love somebody, but at the end of the day, 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:19.600 some relationships just don't work out because you aren't compatible. 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:21.960 And so for me watching it, I was like, what 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:25.600 is going on? Because she was very like adamant about 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:29.160 one thing and that thing is still present, but now 1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:32.080 she's doing something to try and see if it could 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.560 maybe work. It just it didn't line up, and maybe 1:01:34.600 --> 1:01:37.640 that's what was causing the tension and why it seemed off. 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:41.360 And before you answer to piggyback on what Becca saying, 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:44.800 is she eliminates herself because you had been intimate during 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:49.920 the same week with another woman, and then you propose 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:54.040 to a woman you obviously are intimate with her. You've 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:57.080 commits possibly spending the rest of your life with this person, 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.720 which is even more than just you know, being intimate 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.480 with women during fantasy week. And she can come back 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:07.680 after that, but not come back but not deal with 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:10.040 what she dealt with when the season was going on. Yeah, 1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:11.919 those are two good points, and I think real quick 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:14.560 on the second one. I think that probably was a 1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:19.000 reason that it seemed very uncomfortable and from her obviously 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:21.000 for me, I was probably picking up on that body 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.880 language and just the vibe. But I do know that, 1:02:24.400 --> 1:02:27.480 like you know, stuff that didn't make it, that didn't air, 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:30.880 We had more of a conversation than aired. You know, 1:02:30.960 --> 1:02:33.920 she did feel, you know, like a little bit uncomfortable 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:35.600 in regards to me, just it was tough for her 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:37.680 to take the fact that I had been engaged. That 1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:41.200 was hard for her. Swell and obviously coming out and 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:43.200 making an effort to come and post to see if 1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:45.800 there's still something here with me was uncomfortable for her 1:02:45.840 --> 1:02:47.840 because she didn't want to be stepping on Hannah Anne's toes, 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:50.120 and I remember her being like very thoughtful of that 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:52.160 and kept like just wanting to make sure that she 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:53.560 if we were going to do this, it'd be like 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:56.480 done the right way. So I think I get it. 1:02:56.520 --> 1:02:58.160 Like it it seems a little odd. Why could she 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.520 be not okay with Fantasy Suit Week but coming after, 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:04.040 you know, an engagement just ended. I definitely think she 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:08.040 was uncomfortable about that. But was she? Did you ask 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:10.720 her that question? Yeah? And she told me that, Like 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:13.360 she straight up told me, like in our conversation that 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.200 she she didn't know the best way to go about this. 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:19.160 Um she had obviously when she had gone back home, 1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:22.280 she had started really processing everything that had just happened, 1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:24.920 and you know, she realized that her feelings for me 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:28.520 weren't going away. She like really struggled that for a while, 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:33.720 and kind of to what you were saying, Beccau, Yeah, ultimately, listen, 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:37.280 did our differences and lack of compatibility be the reason 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:41.520 that we stop things? Yes, But she admitted to me 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:45.120 that she thought, like her exact words were, and obviously 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:47.439 like I'm very different than you know, possibly her dad 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:49.720 or whatnot. But and all the respect in the world 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:51.480 for her dad, but she told me, she's like, I 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:55.160 kept thinking that I wanted someone just like my dad, 1:03:55.600 --> 1:03:57.400 and that's kind of how like I just grew up 1:03:57.400 --> 1:04:00.280 and people that I've dated, and then after reflect and 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:03.320 everything in the months that ensued, she said that she 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:05.560 realized that she doesn't need anyone like her dad because 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.160 she's just like her dad. And the fact that I am, 1:04:08.240 --> 1:04:10.440 you know, different in a lot of ways actually were 1:04:10.480 --> 1:04:14.480 qualities that she realized why she fell for me. And 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:19.400 you know, she admitted that, m And so that's I 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:22.640 think why you know, she elected to kind of like 1:04:22.800 --> 1:04:25.200 restart this and give this, you know, hopefully another chance 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:28.400 with us again. Ultimately, when we really just had an honest, 1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:31.320 honest conversation with each other the two days after Afar, 1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:33.440 and it was just me and her, and we said, listen, 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:36.560 let's completely remove our heart, our feelings from this conversation 1:04:36.600 --> 1:04:40.240 and only speak logically about if this is possible, can 1:04:40.240 --> 1:04:45.640 this work? And it was it was no, And yeah, 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:48.280 go ahead, Peter, I'm sorry. No, But like I mean, 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:51.160 I just I think that what you saw there was 1:04:51.160 --> 1:04:53.880 was was two people that obviously had strong feelings for 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:56.960 each other. And yeah, there was a reason issue why 1:04:57.000 --> 1:05:00.640 we ended, but weren't really ready to completely give up 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:03.400 on those feelings. And again from what she realized, like 1:05:03.480 --> 1:05:04.800 you know, she said she had dated a lot of 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:07.400 other guys that were different from me, that were like 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:09.840 what she thought she wanted, they weren't working out for 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:13.000 a certain reason, and so this is something that she realized, 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:17.720 you know, before she came out. Yeah, I mean it 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:20.720 gets it makes sense to me. It's just what doesn't 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:23.240 make sense is okay, So you'll have that talk, glad. 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:24.840 That was one of my questions. So glad to know 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:27.960 after we saw you guys meet for the first time 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:32.280 since the breakup, you guys had a full out conversation 1:05:32.320 --> 1:05:35.040 and everything. That's great. So I would imagine that you 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:39.320 continue to talk from then up until the finale, which 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:42.120 is kind of why the message you kept giving them, 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:44.280 like Becca and I and other outlets is we don't 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:45.560 know how this is going to end. We don't know 1:05:45.640 --> 1:05:47.760 how this is going to end. So I'm curious as 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:50.880 to what was the game plan coming into the finale, 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:53.840 Like what was it supposed to be? How were you 1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:56.560 guys supposed to because I think the most shocking thing 1:05:56.640 --> 1:05:59.000 is two days later, y'all are done. It's like, what 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:00.920 the hell was all that? Or you stood up to 1:06:00.960 --> 1:06:04.080 your family, you know, you profess your love for each 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:05.880 other and how difficult you know what's going to be, 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:09.479 and you're gonna work at it. Only for two days later, 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:11.920 you guys ended, Which is why I think a lot 1:06:11.960 --> 1:06:15.160 of people thought it was staged. I'll yeah that, and 1:06:15.160 --> 1:06:18.120 it was not. Yeah, I got that, I've heard that, 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.120 but it was not stage. I can promise you guys 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:23.040 that We we didn't see each other until this on 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:26.240 stage Life finale. We did talk. Obviously, we faced time 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:28.960 a lot, and we just had a lot of those 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:30.840 you know, talks that we needed to have that I 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:32.520 wish you would have had way sooner than we could 1:06:32.520 --> 1:06:34.680 have had in the Fantasy suite, you know, with time 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:38.000 off camera, you know, it's kind of crazy. But really 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:39.920 the main the first time that her and I ever 1:06:39.960 --> 1:06:42.920 spent time alone off camera was when after the show ended, 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:45.400 and that was just like crazy for like such a 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:47.520 serious relationship for that to have been the first time. 1:06:48.000 --> 1:06:51.080 But we really didn't know what we were going to do, 1:06:51.200 --> 1:06:53.560 and we knew that, like obviously there were still feelings there, 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:56.120 but going into the finale, we really didn't know what 1:06:56.120 --> 1:06:58.040 we're gonna do, and I don't like looking back on it, 1:06:58.080 --> 1:07:01.880 I'm confused as why we didn't, like I didn't see 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:04.600 each other before. Um, it was an option, and like 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:08.680 I I wanted to do it, and you know, I 1:07:08.720 --> 1:07:10.360 remember her saying stuff like, well, maybe you should just 1:07:10.360 --> 1:07:12.440 like make this like really authentic on stage and like 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:15.560 not like have that be the first time and and 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:19.880 I saw I saw some of that like validity and um, 1:07:19.920 --> 1:07:24.000 but I remember, like before I saw Listen, I remember 1:07:24.080 --> 1:07:26.480 there too. Before I was like, I think I need 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:28.200 to see her. I need to see her. And at 1:07:28.200 --> 1:07:33.600 that time, oh yeah, heater for somebody. I becka, back 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:37.120 me up on this. When you love somebody and you 1:07:37.200 --> 1:07:40.480 have those happy couple weekends or you haven't seen anybody, 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:44.800 you are itching there is like you are dying to 1:07:44.960 --> 1:07:47.600 see that person inside and the and I get you 1:07:47.680 --> 1:07:49.760 saying I wanted to see her. I wanted to see her, 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:52.280 and to hear that she was like, maybe we should 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:55.400 wait because it's more authentic on stage. Are you putting 1:07:55.440 --> 1:07:57.560 on a show or are you trying to get to 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:00.320 know each other. That's where I have the conflict and 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:03.640 you guys had already had so much lost time, and 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:06.280 there was so much time that need to be made up, 1:08:06.320 --> 1:08:09.720 I think, to make to really solidified the relationship. And 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:13.520 so if I was the two of you, I would 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:15.520 have like from the moment she had flown out to 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:19.840 La to try to rekindle things with you, that entire time, 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:21.479 I would have been like, look, we need to be together. 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:23.960 We need to see if we can make this work. 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:26.160 We need to make up for all of the lost 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:29.800 time there needed, like I think, for a relationship and 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:32.120 for like you want to be with someone, as Rachel said, 1:08:32.160 --> 1:08:36.040 you want to spend those eppy couple moments together. And 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:39.920 so to me, like I wouldn't have reacted that same 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:41.920 way I would. I would not. I would have been 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:46.160 so terrified to get on stage and have there be 1:08:46.280 --> 1:08:48.760 so many unknowns like I would have won. That's why 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:52.080 it was awkward. I would not have you by my side, Peter, 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:54.599 to really back each other up, to support one another, 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:59.040 to feel super solid in that. And so I mean, 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:03.559 and if you had that unity to do it, and 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:05.599 it wasn't, it wasn't all her, I like I agreed 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:07.960 to it too, Like I it wasn't just her all 1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:09.960 this happened. I don't you agreed. I just think the 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:13.559 common thing theme that a lot of people saw is 1:09:13.600 --> 1:09:16.439 it looked like you were giving one hundred percent and 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:19.000 one hundred percent wasn't being given back to you. That's 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:21.040 just kind of how it comes off to an audience. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:25.599 So I'm very curious as we know how your family 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:28.720 felt about Madison. Yeah, we saw it all play out. 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:30.080 I don't really want to get in all that, but 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:34.000 I have to ask why did your family feel a 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:36.800 certain way about Madison? And I mean like not just 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:40.880 a feeling like it was. It was like a steadfast 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:44.960 thing and it went from father, mother, brother, you know, 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.599 let your mom tell it, friends as well. So why 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:51.439 were there feelings so strong against Madison? I think all 1:09:51.439 --> 1:09:54.160 of that stuff really did start in Australia when they 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:55.400 when they were out there and it was like the 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:59.080 family visits and the you know, Hannah Anna gone first 1:09:59.120 --> 1:10:01.439 and that went she just knocked it out of the park. 1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:03.800 My family fell in love with her immediately, obviously I 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:06.559 knew why, and which just was such a great day 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:09.240 and the second day comes to Madison and just boom 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:12.280 is granted this is all my doing. That got her 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:15.320 in this headspace, and I can I can take that responsibility. 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:17.080 But she was not in a good headspace at all. 1:10:17.400 --> 1:10:19.600 And like the talks about you know, being outside the 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:22.360 house for three hours waiting, having my parents wait was 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:24.320 one hundred percent try that was that was the case. 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:27.360 And I was essentially trying to like convince her why. 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:29.760 I felt like we needed it, like at least put 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:32.280 this stuff behind us and talk to my family. You know, 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:34.519 they had just flown halfway around the world. If we 1:10:34.640 --> 1:10:36.160 go in and if I go in and say, listen, 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:38.160 Madison just can't talk right now, like that's just not 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:40.120 going to be a good look. So she didn't want 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:42.360 to talk to your family. She didn't. Yeah, she didn't 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:43.519 feel like she was in the right headspace to be 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:46.920 able to go do that, okay, And so I, you know, 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:48.760 I understood why she was still in the way she did. 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:50.680 I knew we had to work on our own stuff, 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:53.080 but that's just the way the show goes and the schedule, 1:10:53.080 --> 1:10:55.520 and like that was the one day we had allocated 1:10:55.560 --> 1:10:57.760 to go spend time with my family, and so I 1:10:57.800 --> 1:10:59.640 did my best to try to convince her why. You know, 1:10:59.720 --> 1:11:02.760 she finally, you know, realized Okay, you know she was 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:05.720 gonna do it for me, and and then we went 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:07.720 inside and obviously just off it was off to a 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:10.960 bad start. You know, we my family obviously was you know, 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:13.920 obviously annoyed. I think anyone would be like waiting three 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:17.920 hours just doing nothing to have that conversation. It just 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:19.880 got off to a bad start. Just immediately. You could 1:11:19.920 --> 1:11:21.719 feel the vibe was not the same with Hannah Anne. 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:25.400 And you know they had, I guess known a little 1:11:25.400 --> 1:11:27.400 bit now about the differences that we had had I 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:30.360 expressed to them, you know, the day prior about when 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:32.680 I was talking about both women that you know, there 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:34.960 had been some issues that Maddie and I were going 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:37.200 through because of what had happened with the Fantasy Sweet Week, 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:39.720 and so they had already seen, like started to see 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:43.680 these differences. And they just being my family, and the 1:11:43.720 --> 1:11:45.559 one on one conversations I had with each of them, 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:49.000 like we're just like, they didn't see this working. They 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:51.160 just didn't see it working. And they saw that yes, 1:11:51.240 --> 1:11:52.960 she was an amazing girl, but the two of us 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:55.240 were just too different, and they were just looking out 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:58.439 for me, and you know, you see that passion kind 1:11:58.439 --> 1:12:01.000 of come out on stage and everything. And I think 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:03.200 I do think as much as I can, you know, 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:05.760 defend Maddie and everything, and I do think that she 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:10.120 could have coming out on stage apologize, you know, really 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:13.360 quick apology to to my parents about the last time 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:14.800 she had seen him and what had gone down. I 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:17.680 think that would have gone a long way, and I 1:12:17.800 --> 1:12:21.320 really really do, um you know, unfortunately that did happen. 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:25.040 That wasn't the case. And that's kind of why that's 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:27.320 really because that's the only time my parents saw Maddie 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:29.400 like that was really where that passion and that just 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:31.840 like them being just like, this is not going to work, Bud, 1:12:31.880 --> 1:12:33.680 you gotta like you gotta understand that that's where that 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:38.560 came from. Peter. So your mom said this during the finale, 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:43.680 but she said that day after, you know, waiting a 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.559 couple of hours and finally sitting down with Maddie, that 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:50.479 she asked her flat out, like do you love my son? 1:12:50.640 --> 1:12:54.639 And she had said no. And that's what you So 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:59.040 when your mom had told you that, and maybe and 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:01.320 I think she had said that she your brother had 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.840 asked Madison the same thing and Madison had said the 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:07.320 same answer. So when you knew that what was going 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:10.840 through your your brain and knowing like, Okay, you know 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:13.280 she's still here, but she's been on the fence about 1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:16.760 sticking around her leaving, and now she's admitting that she's 1:13:16.800 --> 1:13:19.160 not in love with me to my family, Like, what 1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:22.719 was going through your brain? I was so confused because 1:13:22.760 --> 1:13:26.479 literally an hour before outside she said she did love me. 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:28.439 That was the first time she told me. I remember 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:30.479 like being ridiculous because I was like, it's all I've 1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:32.240 been wanting to hear the entire time. And then like 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:34.880 I just we were having a very serious conversation and 1:13:35.000 --> 1:13:37.120 like I just completely lost all seriousness because I was 1:13:37.160 --> 1:13:39.880 kind of happy and giddy. So she just told me 1:13:39.880 --> 1:13:41.720 that outside, and that's why my mom told me that. 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:43.920 I was just very very confused and shocked because I'm like, 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:47.720 what she just told me she did? And then but 1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:50.000 that's that's another thing. That's that's another thing of why 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:52.280 my mom was, you know, very passionate about what she 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:54.800 was saying. Was you hear she has Hannah Anne, Her 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:57.599 and her hit it off like no other. Hannah's expressing 1:13:57.640 --> 1:13:59.360 how she does feel about me and she can totally 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:02.800 see this with me, and then it's a literally complete opposite, 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:05.320 you know, with Maddie, and you know her saying that 1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:07.120 she didn't love me and that she couldn't see an 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:09.960 engagement in the next couple of days. That part, I 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:12.479 will say, I get why Maddie couldn't see an engagement 1:14:12.479 --> 1:14:15.720 after how strongly she felt about fantasy like intimacy. I 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:18.280 get that. A couple days later, that's not ideally how 1:14:18.320 --> 1:14:20.120 you want to be proposed to knowing what happened a 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.800 couple I get that, But I do know that like 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:24.400 that went a long way with my mom to like 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:27.320 not be the biggest fan of that relationship. When when 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:29.800 Maddie told her that, well, then I guess where's the disconnect? 1:14:29.800 --> 1:14:31.320 Like why did she just tell you that? And then 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:33.400 she said no to your family? Did you ever ask 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:42.200 her about that? Yeah? And I think I don't know. 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:46.080 I think it's like semantic, all right. It was just 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:49.280 like she I guess the way my mom had asked 1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:51.880 it was like, are you madly head over heels in 1:14:51.960 --> 1:14:54.200 love with my son or something like that, And I 1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:57.600 guess that made Maddie say no. I don't know. It 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:00.320 was just a confusing day. I don't Yeah, it's it 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:03.880 sounds very confusing. And it sounds like you're better off. 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:07.960 I don't want to see anybody fail. Yeah, but it 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:12.240 sounds like you guys are better separate than together. Yeah, 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:15.479 if you could, because I know that we were supposed 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:19.320 to talk to you after the finale, and obviously nobody 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:22.000 saw it going the way that it did. And Becca 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:25.080 and I totally respected the fact that this is personal 1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:28.479 at this point and it's not about doing a podcast, Like, 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:30.600 we care about you and we want you to be 1:15:30.640 --> 1:15:33.960 okay at the end of the day. So I don't 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:36.679 want to get into the details of your conversation with Madison, 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:39.479 but after you got off stage, and obviously there was 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:43.320 some you know, you guys were upset and emotional. Did 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:47.040 you know that it was over at that point? No, 1:15:47.479 --> 1:15:49.679 So we got off stage, I remember we were both 1:15:49.680 --> 1:15:52.800 in a bad headspace, just like down We walked up 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:55.160 to like the changing room areas where we were waiting 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:57.760 before it, just her and I. We had a quick 1:15:57.800 --> 1:15:59.840 moment just with each other. We just hugged each other 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:02.680 and just kind of like we're supporting each other. Then 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:05.400 we decided to talk to some producers. Um, at that point, 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:08.120 I don't from my side, I didn't think that it 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:12.040 was it was over, over or anything. U. We then separated. 1:16:12.080 --> 1:16:13.600 I went back to my hotel, She went back to 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:16.040 her hotel, called her parents for a little bit, then 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:17.680 came back to my hotel. We spent a couple of 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:19.519 hours and just you know, we're there for each other. 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:22.519 Didn't really have a serious conversation about figuring this out, 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:23.800 but just wanted to be there for each other and 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:27.840 spend time. Fast forward to the next day. I didn't 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:29.800 see her mom had flown out, and spent the day 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:33.040 with her. The next day, the second day is when 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:35.439 I went over to her hotel and we spent just 1:16:35.479 --> 1:16:38.320 like you know, six hours probably just talking. And that 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:41.320 was when they had that sentiment going into the conversation 1:16:41.360 --> 1:16:44.559 that this is this is it, this is not this 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:46.559 is unfortunately as sad as it is, like it's not 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:48.760 going to work as much as like maybe we might 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:53.000 want it to have worked. And that was the day 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:54.720 where we both I think knew that it was it 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:58.520 was over. So you guys agree to do an Instagram 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:01.920 post to kind of announce the same time And then 1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:06.320 what did you do after that? Did you go home? Yes? Um? 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:11.080 So that day was when I left her hotel. Um 1:17:11.120 --> 1:17:13.240 I went straight home, and I was the first time 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:16.360 I saw my family and m first just you know, 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:18.599 went in, gave him a hug and just like told 1:17:18.680 --> 1:17:21.479 him I loved him and everything and um, and then 1:17:21.479 --> 1:17:23.479 expressed him what had just happened with with Mattie and 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:26.520 I and what we had decided to do and um, 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:28.760 you know kind of began that whole healing process with 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:31.760 my family and everything and just sticking together. But yeah, 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:33.880 that was the first day I went home. And then 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:36.800 she went to go play board games with Selena Gomez. 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:42.240 So I know, I didn't know that actually until the 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:45.559 TMZ guys told me that. But um was that who 1:17:45.640 --> 1:17:54.160 Toulture I went from? I know, Jesus um I had 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:57.320 found out. So she had told me that night that 1:17:57.400 --> 1:17:59.680 she was going to go spend some time with one 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:01.600 of her friends, one of her good girlfriends that was 1:18:01.640 --> 1:18:05.320 living in la Um. Talking to Maddie later after because 1:18:05.320 --> 1:18:08.639 we had text here and there after was she told 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:10.320 me like listen, I know how I guess how that 1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:12.360 could look. But like she did go over to her 1:18:12.360 --> 1:18:14.320 friend's place and her friend just ended up being really 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:17.360 good friends with Selena, and I guess Selena said something 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:19.559 about you know, hey, we're like going to my grandmother's 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:21.880 house play board games, like come over here and something. 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:25.600 They went over there. That's what I heard you. I 1:18:25.720 --> 1:18:28.160 believe it. I believe it. So have you and Maddie 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:31.800 staying content contact since all of that? Or is it 1:18:31.960 --> 1:18:33.880 pretty much you know you've shut the door. You guys 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:37.160 have both moved on. Yeah, we talked. We text for 1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:40.000 a little bit after, and you know, it was sad. 1:18:40.160 --> 1:18:43.080 You know, there was obviously like you know, missing each 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:45.400 other kind of stuff like that and whatnot. And um, 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:47.479 you know I remember she'd like send me like a 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:49.920 video and it's just like it was. It was tough, 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:52.160 but we we we both knew it was over. And 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:55.680 then um kind of just all ended. Yeah, like we 1:18:57.040 --> 1:18:59.000 all right center one thing and like I never really 1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:00.720 heard any came back and like okay, yeah, like this 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:04.080 is I gotta stop doing this. And then um, and 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:07.559 then the little Kelly stuff happened, and you know, I 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:11.439 came out here to be here for her, and yeah, 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:13.880 I had sound like a text to Madison just kind 1:19:13.880 --> 1:19:15.760 of explaining everything so she could hear it from me, 1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:18.960 and she was like really you know brigg and rock 1:19:19.000 --> 1:19:22.000 Star and under you know, wasn't like trying to be 1:19:22.000 --> 1:19:23.640 even bigtive it or anything that I didn't think it 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:25.280 was like, wasn't trying to be mean about it. Um, 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.000 and just like kind of like told me that, so 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:31.880 like like I appreciated that, and uh, yeah, then I 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:33.800 haven't talked to her since. So, Becca, I don't know 1:19:33.840 --> 1:19:36.120 if I've ever asked you this question before or I've 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:39.120 even said this, but so, Peter, I'm directing this to you, 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:42.639 and Becca, you can answer too. I in Fantasy Suite, 1:19:42.960 --> 1:19:46.800 I asked all of my guys if I didn't choose them, 1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:50.559 would they be the bachelor? Like I wanted to. It 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:53.479 wasn't really a trick question. It was just more of 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:58.080 I'm very curious to see how you would respond to this. 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:01.800 And so Beca, did you ask your guys? Well? So, 1:20:01.800 --> 1:20:03.920 when I had fantasy suits, I only had two because 1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:07.000 I had sent Jason home prior to spending the night 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:10.120 with him. Um, so I had Garrett and Blake. Had 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:14.200 I gone a different route and ended up with Blake, Hell, no, 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:17.360 would Garrett have been the Bachelor? There's no way. No. 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:22.000 Garret wouldn't have done he would, you know? And well 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:25.000 and I do know. I mean Blake was in talks 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:27.760 to potentially be the Bachelor um along with some of 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:31.760 the other guys when Colton season happened. So, um, I'm 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:33.920 sure he would have said. Yes. I never asked him that, 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:37.559 but yeah, I know Garrett would have. You paid Garrett 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:40.000 one million dollars and he would have not been the Bachelor. 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:43.479 I think Brian would have would have done it. Um. 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:47.920 So I'm going somewhere with this. I'm asking you, Peter, Yeah, 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:52.320 do you think that because we kind of touched on this, 1:20:52.320 --> 1:20:54.280 but we didn't go into this when you were told 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:58.519 that the cameras were at Madison's UM and I said, oh, 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:00.719 did you think that she was going to be asked 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:03.000 to be the bacherette? Do you think that if she 1:21:03.120 --> 1:21:06.120 was asked she would have done it? No? I don't. 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:22.479 What about Hannah Anne Um? Yeah, okay, what about Kelly Um? No, Kelly, 1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:26.599 no one. So why do you think Hannah Anne would 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:30.639 have and not the other two? Well? I guess so, 1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:33.680 I to be fair, I didn't actually ask them. So 1:21:33.800 --> 1:21:36.000 like my final three of this, and I never I 1:21:36.400 --> 1:21:39.320 never asked Hannah Anne. Um. It came up and talks 1:21:39.360 --> 1:21:41.000 to Madison and I and I tell you no, because 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:42.599 she told me she would have said no, like that 1:21:42.680 --> 1:21:46.519 wasn't something she would have done. Um, but I guess 1:21:46.520 --> 1:21:48.920 with Hannah Anne, I mean because it's it's not there's 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.559 there's nothing negative about that. Like I if you would 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:54.240 if I would be talking to two former bacherettes here, yeah, 1:21:54.240 --> 1:21:56.400 in your final three, like if someone or my you know, 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.040 Hannah Brown would ask you like, I would have been like, 1:21:58.520 --> 1:22:00.360 if you don't pick me, this is really weird question. 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:03.040 But of course, like obviously it's working for me right now, 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:05.559 so I know that it could work. If you broke 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:07.160 my show now and it's not gonna work, why wouldn't 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:10.320 I want to? Um, So it's nothing negative, but I think, yeah, 1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:12.559 Hannah and you know would have would have what are you? 1:22:12.600 --> 1:22:14.960 What are you trying to do? Kind of sneak behind me? 1:22:15.080 --> 1:22:17.840 Is that Kelly? Yeah, she's trying to crawl on the 1:22:17.880 --> 1:22:20.559 floor behind me. Kelly, we heard you were Oh she 1:22:20.560 --> 1:22:24.519 didn't hear us because he's got headphones on. Binger on, 1:22:25.880 --> 1:22:28.439 come on it, come on it, say hi, can you 1:22:28.520 --> 1:22:34.160 hear us sneak around? Kelly's being bashful? Wait, we actually 1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:36.960 called to talk to you and I Peter just happened 1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:39.000 to pick up. I was just hogging the zoom screen. 1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:49.200 nowI Hi, Kelly, No, that's the question. We were just 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:51.880 asking him. Listen. I think got a little too awkward 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:57.360 on this show. No, you're not awkward. You just I think, yeah, spoken, 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:59.640 I don't think. I think you would have Kelly. You 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:01.280 would have good because you would have kept the men 1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:05.200 in their place. True, you just get it. Becca and 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:07.280 I are also two Batcheloris who didn't have a lot 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:09.400 of drama in our season because we were kind of like, 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:11.640 we're here to do something and it's like it is 1:23:11.680 --> 1:23:13.800 what it is. So you probably would have been like that. 1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:16.320 Like it's changed a little bit, like in the past 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:20.000 couple of years, it's more drama focused. So do they 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:21.720 hold on to that? Did they reverse it and go 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:24.519 back to what you guys had say, she's already she's 1:23:24.520 --> 1:23:31.000 asking the wrong this. Yeah, she couldn't do it. Are 1:23:31.080 --> 1:23:34.160 you do? You still have to work right now? Um? 1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:38.400 I should be working more than I am, but there's 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:40.840 little things that I still have to do. Yeah. I 1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:43.240 just didn't know. I mean, I don't practice anymore, so 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:46.040 I'm like, Oh, what's what's going on in the legal world? 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:49.200 Or people. Still, I did finish my cls this month, 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:55.080 so I was so proud of myself for finishing. Remember. Yeah, hey, 1:23:55.120 --> 1:24:00.000 hey Rachel, may it please the court. I'm so proud 1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:04.080 out of you. I'm so proud of you. Look at 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:11.080 you two steps away from a courtroom. No, we've just 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:14.680 been having fun asking Peter questions about and Kelly, you're 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:17.880 somebody we wanted to talk to on the show. I 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.000 feel like we've hot We've No. No, I'm not gonna 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:21.760 hog your time because we've been talking to Peter. I 1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:24.040 feel like for an hour and a half. At this point, 1:24:24.080 --> 1:24:26.920 I'm in my closet. So Specca, we have nothing else 1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:30.080 to do, so the dance parties with the DJs on 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:33.200 the team. Okay, well, here's a question. Why were you 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:36.200 at women till all? I honestly don't know. No, No, 1:24:36.280 --> 1:24:39.519 not at women? Sorry, why were you am? I really 1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:43.439 don't know. I think it's just from the only The 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:46.120 only thing that I got was Chris Harrison doing an 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:48.479 interview saying that they wanted to throw people off because 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:51.480 they thought I was pregnant with Peter's child or something like, Yeah, 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:55.960 was that a rumor? Practice? Yeah, people call up with 1:24:56.000 --> 1:24:58.880 the weirdest crap you guys. I swear well, Kelly, when 1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:01.240 when rached I saw you because we were there. We 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:04.240 were just watching backstage. We weren't allowed out there, which 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:06.160 we really wanted to, but when we saw you, were like, 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:08.439 let us go sit with Kelly and Barr. Why are 1:25:08.479 --> 1:25:13.519 you guys keeping her back here? You were sitting next 1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:16.479 to my friend Kelly, my two guests on the show. 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:18.400 The guy, it was a couple that was sitting next 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:22.280 to you. Yea, yeah. So like they're big Bachelor fans. 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:24.760 They do like he does ESPN stuff and he's like, 1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:27.280 I was like, we were sitting next to Kelly. I 1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:29.600 was like, well, you're welcome. I didn't even plan it 1:25:29.720 --> 1:25:33.680 that way, but you're welcome. That's so funny. And the 1:25:33.680 --> 1:25:36.000 first time I ever saw her there, it was there 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:38.599 in the first commercial break and then Chris is like, hey, 1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:40.479 so I just did a little shift that out to Kelly. 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:42.200 She's up there, and I looked at it. Kelly just waving, 1:25:42.360 --> 1:25:46.479 like what were y'all communication at that point? Like were 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.639 y'all like cool? Y'all hadn't okay? I like people think 1:25:50.040 --> 1:25:52.639 everything happened like before. I didn't get her number until 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:58.200 so I was talking about Christian that night, like nothing before. Well, 1:25:58.200 --> 1:26:01.040 in all fairness, you don't really need numbers these days, 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:04.639 there's so many ways to communicate. So, Kelly, I'll ask 1:26:04.680 --> 1:26:07.120 you this question because we asked Peter when we know 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:11.000 that you guys have been quarantined before those infamous TMZ 1:26:11.240 --> 1:26:15.240 photos when you decided to say, you know what, we're 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:18.200 gonna go to the Riverwalk where y'all just like fuck it, 1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:22.240 We're gonna go who cares who sees? No, not the 1:26:22.280 --> 1:26:25.200 social distancing, I mean like being out in public. Oh No, 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:27.800 to be completely honest, I think we're pretty naive. And 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:31.320 in that aspect um, you know, I was wearing like 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.120 two hoods. He was wearing sunglasses and a hat, and 1:26:34.160 --> 1:26:37.320 I guess that just doesn't really work well with Clay 1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:40.920 and dust In two. I mean like stick out like sort. 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:43.880 You know what's crazy? They're real quick. This is insane. Um. 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:48.000 So Katrina, who lives in Chicago as well, she sent 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:51.880 a picture to Kelly, this is insane like those Katrina 1:26:52.080 --> 1:27:00.360 Katrina night one with the pussycat. Oh, let's I don't 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:04.320 start knowing name. Still halfway through she had taken a 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:07.479 picture like a selfie sitting on the riverwalk. This is crazy, 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:10.160 and then in the background it's the three was the 1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:12.920 three of us with Dustin as well. You could tell 1:27:12.960 --> 1:27:14.759 what we were wearing if you compare to other pictures 1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:17.400 and we're like, this is insane. You can't go the 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:20.519 leek one who I thought looked like me and a 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:26.120 Dobrev Right, who's that? I thought she looked like some actress. 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:29.000 I think that was her? Okay, she was she was 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:34.479 at woman tell all? Okay, yeah, how was that? Woman's all? 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:39.080 Definitely I'm sorry. I would say, well, we'll see her 1:27:39.120 --> 1:27:44.000 on Paradise, but who knows if Paradise is even moving forward? Yeah? Well, okay, 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:46.479 let me ask you this, because Kelly Peter's being very 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:50.200 quoit about where your relationship stands these days. If Paradise 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:55.280 happens and you get asked, would you go, yeah, I don't. 1:27:55.800 --> 1:28:00.680 I don't think I'm made for these shows. Inspect it. 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:05.000 They're amazing. It was an experience, but I don't know. 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:07.160 I don't know how much of the future I have 1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:10.879 with them. Well, what about friends? Because like I remember, 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:13.120 coming on, I was like, I'm gonna stick to myself. 1:28:13.439 --> 1:28:15.479 I'm the oldest one in the house. I'm just going 1:28:15.520 --> 1:28:17.800 to read my books, go on these dates, do my thing. 1:28:17.840 --> 1:28:21.080 And I was pleasantly surprised that I had friends on 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:23.880 the show and that I know we'll be friends forever. 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:26.519 Was that the same experience you had? And if so, 1:28:26.560 --> 1:28:30.799 who are you close to? Yeah? Um, coming off the show. 1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:32.800 It's funny because when you're on the show and off 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:36.599 the show, you you gravitate towards other people. But yeah, 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:39.040 I talked to like McKenna and Kelsey every day, Um 1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:44.000 and throughout throughout the whole you know, of it airing back, 1:28:44.040 --> 1:28:47.200 you kind of just gravitate towards what episode is going 1:28:47.240 --> 1:28:49.760 on and who you're with on that group date or 1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:52.559 what happened there you know. Um, but I'm friends with 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:54.880 with all the girls. I don't have any beef with 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:58.479 any of them. Um, But yeah, Kelsey and McKenna are 1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:01.559 the ones that day keeping intact with a lot. Well, 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:05.400 my forever favorite moment of you will be laying back 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:08.840 on that bench with that foot up twirl. Like I said, 1:29:08.920 --> 1:29:12.559 Kelly is an entire mood. That is me. I was, like, 1:29:12.640 --> 1:29:17.720 I have Kelly, Kelly is me. I tell him all 1:29:17.720 --> 1:29:19.960 the time, like I've listened to y'all's podcasts, and the 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:23.439 way that you think is very similar to mine, Like 1:29:23.560 --> 1:29:26.000 everything you usually say. I was likes fun Ons fun On, Like, 1:29:26.040 --> 1:29:27.400 I get it, I get it, And I keep telling 1:29:27.439 --> 1:29:29.040 him that I was, like just the way that she 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:33.240 thinks like is incredible, Like I'm so, I'm literally jealous 1:29:33.320 --> 1:29:36.400 because you can tell you're you're super intelligent with everything 1:29:36.439 --> 1:29:39.680 you say. And we thank you fun On for I 1:29:39.680 --> 1:29:42.479 don't know everything. It's you know, you know, law school 1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:44.599 is like it teaches you a certain way to think 1:29:44.680 --> 1:29:47.160 more than anything else. But it's nice to hear it's 1:29:47.200 --> 1:29:50.599 appreciated because it's not appreciated by most. I always say 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.439 our podcast is a logical like it's not for the 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:56.040 hopeless romantics. You know. We're here to just like have 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:59.559 a discussion and to talk things out, and not everybody 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:01.640 wants to hear that. And there are other podcasts you 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:04.720 can go to for that. Kelly, I will say you 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.600 watching you and Rache and I have loved you the 1:30:07.720 --> 1:30:09.599 entire season. You were one of our favorites because you're 1:30:09.600 --> 1:30:12.080 just a breath of fresh air. Because you are logical, 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:15.800 you are intelligent, you speak your mind, You are very articulate. 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:18.760 But Rachel, I'm gonna disagree, and I'm gonna say the 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:21.519 best moment of Kelly on the season was when you 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:27.479 were the aboila yea, yes, that moment You're right, You're right, Becca, 1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:32.080 that was I knew I liked you before, but watching 1:30:32.080 --> 1:30:34.840 you was the aboila. I was like, God, she's good. 1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:36.600 And then when and when she and then when she 1:30:36.680 --> 1:30:38.960 like changed the script up though, because like that she 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:40.640 wasn't the script and it was just like, pought me 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:43.000 off guard. While we're filming O, I'm like, what was like, 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:47.439 let's go, oh Quarantine? Can you like play act and 1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:51.679 do another telenovela together? That's what you should do. Believe. Yeah, 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:53.680 we didn't give them the TikTok. We don't have when 1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:57.360 it takes that TikTok. But can get listen? I am 1:30:57.400 --> 1:31:02.000 an anti TikTok person, Becca, just one. I can't get it. 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:04.280 I would I would be worse than you, So kudos 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:08.240 to you for doing it. I can't. Kelly, have you 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:10.920 been on any of the other podcasts? Did you do 1:31:11.040 --> 1:31:13.960 Nick or Caitlin's or are we the first? No? She 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:19.120 she was with Caitlin and m Ben Okay can you 1:31:19.160 --> 1:31:20.800 tell Can you guys, tell us like one thing that 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:25.200 you didn't tell them, like some juicy detail, some juicy 1:31:25.280 --> 1:31:27.680 d give us, Like, give us something good that we 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:35.360 can run with here, an exclusive, an exclusive? Kind of boring, Kelly, 1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:40.679 have you seen Peter in the shower during this quarantine? 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:48.800 Is Peter better in real life or on the show? Oh? 1:31:48.840 --> 1:31:54.960 My god, in real life better? I like to pick 1:31:55.040 --> 1:31:56.599 up for him. I was like, some parts of him 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:59.960 that you saw were like necessarily him. But I even 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:01.559 used to stay on the show. I was like, there's 1:32:01.600 --> 1:32:04.320 Peter Webber and then there's Bachelor the Peter or the 1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:07.680 Bachelor Peter, and you know they're big. You stop saying that. 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:09.839 And I was like, no, true, I met him outside 1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:13.360 of this and he's so much cooler than he is. Peter, 1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:17.240 you are cooler than what we did see on the show. 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:20.559 I guess I'd rather have it that way than vice versus. 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:23.400 So thank you. No, absolutely, So you feel like if 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:26.040 you met Peter, well you did beat him in real 1:32:26.080 --> 1:32:28.559 life before, but like you guys could hit it off. 1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:33.559 Oh for sure, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's definitely 1:32:33.600 --> 1:32:36.360 a It's yes, it's a compliment taken. It's a fine 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:38.640 line to try to be both. The same person you 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:40.880 see on TV is the same person you are in person, 1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:43.800 so right, you know, I know, yeah, Well, and that's 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:45.720 the thing I think as leads, there's so much that 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:49.000 happens that can't be portrayed on TV, and so I 1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:51.519 think for everyone, anyone who's ever been on the show, 1:32:51.560 --> 1:32:54.599 there's so much more. People are way funnier or more 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:57.120 charismatic than what they come across. And Peter, I mean, 1:32:57.120 --> 1:33:00.599 I've met you now a few times in person, and um, 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:05.880 like you really are just this very warm, bighearted, like 1:33:06.360 --> 1:33:10.280 fun charismatic guy that that I think we saw a 1:33:10.320 --> 1:33:11.639 good part of it on the show, but I think 1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:14.520 that they're so much more. And so, you know, regardless 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:16.920 of what happened throughout the entire season and it didn't 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:19.920 pan out, I'm sure as anyone had expected. Um, I 1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:21.920 think you are on your own path and I'm so 1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:24.880 happy you are about Shore. I really am. Yeah, you 1:33:25.000 --> 1:33:27.120 seem happy. Like we've talked to you a couple of 1:33:27.160 --> 1:33:32.520 times in studio. You're different, You're different. Thanks Kelly, Thanks Kelly, 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:41.000 she's been amazing. How many times have you FaceTime Barb? Yeah, 1:33:40.280 --> 1:33:44.519 she's obsessed with Sophie Dustin's dogs, and she's always calling, Hey, 1:33:44.600 --> 1:33:46.320 let me see Sophie, let me see Sophie. Let me 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:49.080 see Chop Chop. So that's that's Kelly. Chop Chop were 1:33:49.080 --> 1:33:52.160 heard about? Chop chopped up? All right? Well, Kelly, we're 1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:56.559 so happy you popped into this. Thank you boys, Thanks Kelly. 1:33:56.680 --> 1:34:00.800 We hope to see more at you. Um So, Peter, 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:03.960 as I just said, you know, there's obviously so much 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:08.240 more than what anyone can ever see on a TV show. 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:11.760 And when people say like they thought the ending was 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:14.240 staged and the finale was staged, I don't think so, 1:34:14.439 --> 1:34:17.719 because like when we met with you in the studio 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:20.960 before the season started, we asked you, like, what are 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:22.680 you hoping from this, Like what do you want to 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:24.800 be known for? And you were like, I don't want 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:27.519 to be known for a windmill or an inanimate object, 1:34:27.520 --> 1:34:29.200 like I want to be known for having the best 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:34.000 love story. And unfortunately, for your time on the show itself, 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:36.640 that didn't happen. Like, yes, you fell in love with 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:38.920 a couple of girls, you were engaged, it didn't pan 1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:41.240 out with either of them, and I don't think that's 1:34:41.280 --> 1:34:43.720 anything you expected going into it. I don't think you 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:47.080 could have foreseen any of what went down. So that's why, 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:49.760 like watching it, I'm like, dude, like no offense, but 1:34:49.840 --> 1:34:52.880 this really sucks. Like all he wanted was to share 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:55.360 his heart and to share this love story with the world. 1:34:56.280 --> 1:34:58.960 And so you know, you're making your own story now 1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:02.160 away from the TV. We don't know what's gonna necessarily 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:05.639 happen with Kelly. But going back to your time, obviously 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:08.240 it didn't pan out as you thought. But I'm sure 1:35:08.320 --> 1:35:11.360 we all have regrets going through it at moments. But 1:35:11.439 --> 1:35:15.000 what was your biggest regret and biggest takeaway from being 1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:18.800 the lead? My biggest regret I think was and it 1:35:18.960 --> 1:35:22.640 for me, it's so tough to like kind of admit 1:35:22.760 --> 1:35:24.400 or be okay with because, like I know the kind 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:26.479 of person that I am, and at the end of 1:35:26.479 --> 1:35:30.000 the day, I can't change myself to like be different. 1:35:30.400 --> 1:35:33.360 But the one thing that kind of sucked the most, 1:35:33.400 --> 1:35:35.840 I think was me just being a little bit too 1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:38.679 empathetic throughout the entire process and not putting my foot 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:43.120 down in certain situations. And I guess do if I 1:35:43.120 --> 1:35:45.200 could have done it again, had a second chance, I 1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:46.720 could have tried a little bit harder, but at the 1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:48.439 end of the day, I am who I am, and 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:50.800 so it's like it's a regret, but it's like something 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:52.760 I regret that I would I would continue to keep 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:54.679 making because that's just the person I am. And maybe 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:58.519 that's this kind of process wasn't ideal for me being 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:00.720 on this side, as you know, the back, sir, but 1:36:01.439 --> 1:36:04.880 that's who I am, and I can't change who I am. 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:07.599 And in regards like what you said about you know, yeah, 1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:09.439 I remember saying that, like I didn't want I didn't 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:11.600 care about any drama of being remembered for this or 1:36:11.640 --> 1:36:13.720 that I wanted to give people because I've been such 1:36:13.720 --> 1:36:16.519 a hopeless romantic. The romantic like that story they could 1:36:16.560 --> 1:36:19.760 live vicariously through and like inspire them to like never 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:21.920 settle and like look for hopefully what I was going 1:36:22.000 --> 1:36:24.400 to go fine, But even though it didn't work out 1:36:24.479 --> 1:36:29.360 that way, I still I hope that it can inspire 1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:31.960 people just kind of seeing me now and where I'm at. 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:35.519 And I've always said, like, I'm not a hopeless romantic. 1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:38.000 I don't like the word hopeless because I'm the kind 1:36:38.000 --> 1:36:40.240 of romantic that never loses hope that you know what 1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:42.080 that didn't work, and that didn't work, and there was 1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:43.439 so much should I had to go through with that. 1:36:43.600 --> 1:36:45.800 But guess what, I'm still having that mindset that you know, 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:47.880 the next person is going to be my girl, And 1:36:48.880 --> 1:36:50.519 if I can still feel that way after what I 1:36:50.720 --> 1:36:52.599 just went through, hopefully that can in a different way 1:36:52.640 --> 1:36:54.759 inspire people in a way I didn't think was possibly 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:57.000 going to at the beginning of the season. Yeah, you 1:36:57.120 --> 1:37:01.040 are very well said. So I have one last question 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:03.160 for you, being that this is kind of like a 1:37:03.240 --> 1:37:07.960 redemption podcast for you and a ringwrit just on Thost 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:12.559 failed out a lot going on in this closet. Seeing 1:37:12.560 --> 1:37:14.479 that this is a redemption podcast for you, and we 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:17.360 started out at the beginning asking you about the coronavirus, 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:21.080 I want to ask you this last question. It's interesting 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:24.360 you say empathy because I think a lot of people 1:37:24.800 --> 1:37:28.000 would have labeled that that you were indecisive. So that's 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:30.080 why I think what you said is very powerful, because 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:31.840 it's like, Okay, I actually can see that, I can 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:34.519 see how you were being very empathetic, but a lot 1:37:34.560 --> 1:37:36.920 of people have labeled you as indecisive. A lot of 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:40.799 people have had opinions on you one way or another. 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:45.200 For various reasons, kind of as if I don't want 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:46.840 to use certain words, but basically is if you don't 1:37:46.880 --> 1:37:50.000 make your own decisions, and I'm going outside of even 1:37:50.560 --> 1:37:52.320 them saying because of your mom. Just a lot of 1:37:52.320 --> 1:37:54.040 people have had a lot to say about you that 1:37:54.120 --> 1:37:56.640 I don't necessarily agree with. Beca and I have had 1:37:56.680 --> 1:37:59.840 the chance to get to know you off of the podcast. 1:38:00.120 --> 1:38:02.559 You're a great guy. Your character's outstanding. I mean, like, 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:06.160 you send us a voicemail the other day and I 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:08.439 turned to Brian, I was like, you couldn't be mad 1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:11.000 at Peter if you tried, You just couldn't. He's just 1:38:11.120 --> 1:38:15.040 such a good person. But I feel defensive of you, 1:38:15.080 --> 1:38:16.680 and I've said this before just because I feel like 1:38:16.680 --> 1:38:18.960 people have a lot to say about you. So I 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:21.120 just kind of want to give you the opportunity and 1:38:21.160 --> 1:38:23.280 give you the floor like Becca did at the beginning 1:38:23.280 --> 1:38:26.360 of this podcast, to just address it. The people who 1:38:26.360 --> 1:38:28.479 have stuff to say about you, and that like you 1:38:28.520 --> 1:38:31.320 can't make your own decisions and you're indecisive. What do 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:34.640 you have to say about that? Uh? You know, and 1:38:34.960 --> 1:38:38.759 yeah I heard that. It's ton and listen, I'll admit 1:38:38.800 --> 1:38:41.120 to a lot of it I was indecisive in regards 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:42.880 to a lot of situations. But and I'm okay with 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:45.479 that because that to me was just showing how how 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:47.799 well this did work for me, and it was working 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:50.080 for me. You know, I didn't want to fall from 1:38:50.120 --> 1:38:52.200 multiple women. I didn't want to have to have these 1:38:52.200 --> 1:38:55.360 crazy confusion you know days, these weeks I had to 1:38:55.360 --> 1:38:58.400 deal with, but I did. And so you know, I 1:38:58.439 --> 1:39:00.720 look the way I look at it, it's like I 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:04.080 wasn't indecisive. That'd probably be a little bit weird because 1:39:04.400 --> 1:39:07.200 maybe it wasn't working as well as maybe maybe it's 1:39:07.200 --> 1:39:09.160 the wrong opinion. But that's honestly that that's that's how 1:39:09.200 --> 1:39:11.760 I look at it. Um, you know, in regards of 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:13.720 being like empathetic and like, I know there's a lot 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:16.640 of relationships why people like didn't understand why I was 1:39:16.640 --> 1:39:20.000 like maybe possibly giving that person so many chances or um, 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:22.320 you know, not seeing the red flags right away or whatnot. 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:25.559 And you know, and I'll specifically say like one with 1:39:25.600 --> 1:39:27.160 like Victoria, if I know, I got a lot of 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:31.400 like backlash on that relationship, Like me going into this 1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:35.040 and like I've always been such a proponent for grace 1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:37.560 and like in a relationship that's so important also to 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:39.080 be able to give it's one of the most beautiful 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:42.840 gifts you can give. Um. The definition of grace is 1:39:42.920 --> 1:39:48.840 like is unwarranted us undeserved forgiveness and like, so that's 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:51.000 how that was my mindset, and a lot of these 1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:52.840 relationships that people didn't get why I was doing what 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:55.920 I was doing or whatnot, Like I always trying to 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:58.080 practice that and like, you know, not just preachip, but 1:39:58.120 --> 1:40:01.720 practice it, um, So listen, that's still though, doesn't I 1:40:01.800 --> 1:40:04.240 made a ton of mistakes. I fess up to that 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:06.040 over and over. The biggest one and the one that 1:40:06.120 --> 1:40:09.639 I hurt, My biggest regret I take back was you know, 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:12.519 putting hand and what I put her through and like 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:15.120 that to me, you know, is something that I will 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:19.400 forever feel horrible about because I just care for her 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:24.640 so much. But you know, through all that, I do 1:40:24.760 --> 1:40:27.840 feel like she's going to be Madison's going to be 1:40:27.920 --> 1:40:31.360 all the other women myself, like we are gonna still 1:40:31.560 --> 1:40:34.400 forever be grateful for this experience we share together. And 1:40:35.240 --> 1:40:37.680 you know, I never, for sure we'll ever regret being 1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:40.920 the Bachelor, that's for sure, just the experience I had 1:40:40.960 --> 1:40:42.880 the lessons I learned I'll take with me for the 1:40:42.920 --> 1:40:45.880 rest of our life. So that's great. And luckily bachelination 1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:48.760 is a short term memory. So that's what I hear. 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:50.720 But there's no other show being film right now. I 1:40:50.760 --> 1:40:54.000 kind of take the attention, all, yeah, you really are 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:56.280 you really are getting the short end of the stake 1:40:56.520 --> 1:40:59.280 stick here because yeah, I know what I mean. Until 1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:01.040 Listen to Your Heart starts, no one's going to be 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:03.360 able to talk about another show. So Peter, one last 1:41:03.439 --> 1:41:07.240 question before we let you get going here the entire season, 1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:09.240 I think it can be said, and Rachel and I 1:41:09.240 --> 1:41:11.160 have said this to like, what does Peter want? What 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:14.479 do you want? It might have been different going into 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:17.280 the season than it is now, but what ultimately do 1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:19.760 you want in a partner? What are you looking for 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:21.479 that's really going to fill you at the end of 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:27.840 the day. I want someone that listen all, I still 1:41:27.840 --> 1:41:29.280 want a lot of the same things I wanted from 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:35.040 the beginning of the show, but someone that you know, 1:41:36.240 --> 1:41:38.840 really just gets me for who I am and it 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:40.519 is never going to try to have me change in 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:43.000 any way, even if they think it might be a 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:46.040 weakness in me. It's something they appreciate about me and 1:41:46.640 --> 1:41:48.920 you know, someone that I do feel like we can 1:41:48.920 --> 1:41:50.880 really challenge each other. And that's not to be negative 1:41:51.000 --> 1:41:52.439 or like, oh he needs to have a problem or 1:41:52.439 --> 1:41:53.840 an issue or he needs the drama. That's not what 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:55.960 it is. But someone that really just you both challenge 1:41:55.960 --> 1:42:00.920 each other really well. And you know, I've had the 1:42:00.920 --> 1:42:03.639 opportunity just to see and date a lot of different 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.519 personalities in different women obviously in the last two months, 1:42:06.600 --> 1:42:08.120 and like, so I see a lot of what I 1:42:08.160 --> 1:42:10.080 like and what I don't like now, um, and so 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:12.719 I'm going to use that for sure moving forward. UM. 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:15.479 And you know, at the end of day, just someone 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:19.000 that just makes me happy, and um, I can make 1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:22.280 them happy. And it's nothing really much more complicated than that. UM. 1:42:22.400 --> 1:42:25.800 And I know that's that's gonna happen for me. We 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:28.080 know it will, and we'll be watching, We will be 1:42:28.080 --> 1:42:36.120 watching and hopefully well, Peter, we loved having you on. 1:42:36.240 --> 1:42:38.280 I mean we said it before, but we're always going 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:40.720 to root for your happiness. We're always gonna want you 1:42:41.520 --> 1:42:43.760 to find love because, like I said, you have such 1:42:43.800 --> 1:42:46.200 a big heart and we've seen that and so I 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:48.280 really want you at the end of the day to 1:42:48.360 --> 1:42:50.760 hopefully find what you're looking for. Um. You know, we 1:42:50.800 --> 1:42:53.639 all go through these crazy ups and downs, especially being 1:42:53.680 --> 1:42:56.360 from the show. Um, but it seems like you did 1:42:56.439 --> 1:42:58.280 learn a lot and took a lot. So we're always 1:42:58.280 --> 1:43:01.040 going to be your biggest supporters here, um, because we 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:03.160 can wait. It's it's a crazy world that you've gotten 1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:05.519 yourself into and you're part of it now you're stuck 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:08.280 with us. Um, but we're happy that we can all 1:43:08.320 --> 1:43:10.880 be in it together. No, I love you both so 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:13.000 much to thank you for everything, just always being there 1:43:13.040 --> 1:43:14.800 for me and you know, the whole whole way, So 1:43:14.960 --> 1:43:17.920 thank you, Oh Peter. And one thing too, I should say, Um, 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:21.559 my mom was actually asking for your mom's number because 1:43:22.200 --> 1:43:24.560 my mom, my mom struggled a lot while I was 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:27.960 gone on the show, just because she she couldn't really 1:43:27.960 --> 1:43:30.599 talk to me, you know. Um, So she she wants, 1:43:30.640 --> 1:43:32.599 she was joking the other day, she wants to start 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:35.200 like a support group of bachelor parents. So I think 1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:37.160 she actually reached out to your mom on Instagram, so 1:43:37.200 --> 1:43:41.720 hopefully they can chat aside. Um. Yeah, but when all 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:44.479 this quarantine is said and done, we're all coming over 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:49.200 and bringing my mom for some Cuban food. Okay, thank you, Yeah, 1:43:50.560 --> 1:43:53.760 I want to fire it up. No, for sure, she's 1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:56.120 gonna love that, so I can't wait. Thanks Peter so 1:43:56.240 --> 1:43:58.080 much for doing this. Hopefully this is if for you. 1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:01.640 Now you can live your life. That's for do you? 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:03.960 Just do you? Thank you so much for giving us 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:07.599 your time. Thank Kelly, and tell Dustin what's up to us? 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:11.320 All right? Love you guys, Peter. You know it's so. 1:44:11.439 --> 1:44:13.720 I'm really glad we talked to Peter Becca because I'll 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:16.880 be honest, I was a little indifferent about doing an 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:19.120 interview because I thought, Okay, are we just going to 1:44:19.240 --> 1:44:23.040 be rehashing the same things over and over again? Is 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:25.200 this just gonna be you know, I don't know. I 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:27.920 just didn't think that. I know our listeners wanted it, 1:44:27.960 --> 1:44:29.840 but I just wasn't sure how the podcast would go. 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:33.559 And I am so glad we did it. I thought 1:44:33.560 --> 1:44:37.160 that Peter is a new Peter. Dare I say it. 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:41.360 I think people will be surprised, pleasantly surprised at what 1:44:41.400 --> 1:44:44.400 they heard Peter say and where he is and where 1:44:44.400 --> 1:44:46.640 he was coming from. And I honestly think he's in 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:50.200 a headspace now to clearly talk about it. Without being 1:44:50.280 --> 1:44:53.920 biased or too emotional from what had happened before. I agree. 1:44:54.000 --> 1:44:57.840 I think a little time and space and distance always helps. 1:44:57.920 --> 1:45:00.679 And and even for me, I mean, be worth supposed 1:45:00.680 --> 1:45:03.759 to speak to him right after the finale, and I personally, 1:45:04.200 --> 1:45:06.800 I think in that moment I would have come at 1:45:06.840 --> 1:45:09.840 the interview as like a scorned woman because I could 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:13.000 relate with him Anne, and I was in that mindset. 1:45:13.080 --> 1:45:16.240 And so it's good to now have a little distance 1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:19.400 from everything that went down. We've seen Peter kind of 1:45:19.439 --> 1:45:22.080 move on from his season with Kelly, We've seen the 1:45:22.120 --> 1:45:24.800 girls kind of move on, and so I think it 1:45:24.840 --> 1:45:27.519 helps to shape the conversation a little bit better. And 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:30.160 as you said, Peter now has some space, he has 1:45:30.160 --> 1:45:33.439 some clarity, He can come at this and finally really 1:45:33.520 --> 1:45:35.320 say what he wants to say and what he wants 1:45:35.320 --> 1:45:36.920 to get off of his chest. So I'm so happy 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:40.240 we finally spoke with him. Yeah, Plus we got Kelly. Now, 1:45:40.240 --> 1:45:42.599 if we had done this interview right after the finale, 1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:44.680 we never would have gone Kelly. So thank you for that, 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:46.519 Thank you for Kelly for making a guest appearance on 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:49.240 That's a Happy Hours. So glad we finally got you. Yes, 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:51.680 it was a good one, guys, but we have to 1:45:51.720 --> 1:45:54.400 start leaving him alone because a new show is coming 1:45:54.520 --> 1:45:57.160 up starting this Monday. We have Listened to Your Heart, 1:45:57.200 --> 1:45:59.479 which we have to look forward to and I cannot wait. 1:46:00.200 --> 1:46:03.200 But Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, you can actually get our 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:05.799 first interviews on the show. We have a new podcast 1:46:05.880 --> 1:46:08.200 dropping this Friday where you can get our take on 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:10.920 what's to come and listen to your Heart. That's right. 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:13.439 We are the official podcast, which means we are dropping 1:46:13.439 --> 1:46:16.639 things first, So you're welcome. For Peter, that is over 1:46:16.720 --> 1:46:19.200 and done with. We're entering a new season. Listen to 1:46:19.240 --> 1:46:23.559 your Heart so excited. April thirteenth, eight seven Central. We've 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:26.160 got two contestants coming up on the show. 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