Speaker 1: What's up vasterination. Of course, we hope you're all staying safe, healthy,
Speaker 1: saying I know you're probably a little stir crazy. I know,
Speaker 1: I am, I know Becca is. Actually I'm oddly content
Speaker 1: right now, which is weird. So I just feel like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna crack any moment. But whatever you're feeling right now,
Speaker 1: we are here to make you feel better because we
Speaker 1: have on the podcast today none other than Peter Webber.
Speaker 1: That's right. I feel like this has been an unusual
Speaker 1: season because usually you get your answers, you kind of
Speaker 1: know how things end, and you move on and you
Speaker 1: get ready for the next season. Well that hasn't been
Speaker 1: the case because we are in quarantine. There's not a
Speaker 1: current Bachelorette season filming right now. Things were kind of
Speaker 1: up in the air when it came to Peter's season.
Speaker 1: We've never seen an ending like this, so we were
Speaker 1: just kind of left in limbo. So none of us
Speaker 1: know much more than we're seeing out there today. So
Speaker 1: finally we'll get to see what's going on from Peter himself. Yeah, Rachel,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. This is one of the interviews that
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we have been waiting a while for
Speaker 1: because we did not get to speak to Peter after
Speaker 1: the finale unfortunately, and this is probably one of the
Speaker 1: most requested interviews we've had yet. I'd literally still to
Speaker 1: this day gid DMS being like, bring Peter on, Bring
Speaker 1: Peter on. So today is that day. Now. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, but on a very selfish and personal level,
Speaker 1: I'm just dying to know what's going on, because, like
Speaker 1: you said, we kind of get little tidbits of info
Speaker 1: here and there of what maybe maybe what he's doing,
Speaker 1: where he is, who he's hanging out with, but it
Speaker 1: hasn't been confirmed by Peter himself yet, and so I
Speaker 1: can't wait to get him on. Obviously, we've spoken with
Speaker 1: Hannah Ann after the finale, we got hert take, but
Speaker 1: we need Peter's take too, because there's probably much more
Speaker 1: to the story and we're missing a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: and Peter, Like I, regardless of what people think about
Speaker 1: Peter and how his season ended, I still love him.
Speaker 1: I still want nothing but the best for him. So
Speaker 1: I really want to hear from him because we have
Speaker 1: some major questions, and so I just think for the
Speaker 1: sake of everyone, we just have to get into it.
Speaker 1: Bring him in because from the beginning, Becca, from the beginning, well, Rachel,
Speaker 1: we've joked all season, like we kept saying when it
Speaker 1: was going on, there was so much John and we're like,
Speaker 1: we just needed to get to the end. We just
Speaker 1: wanted to end and figure out what's going on, and
Speaker 1: like we never got anything because obviously the way everything
Speaker 1: panned out, he didn't end up with anyone as far
Speaker 1: as we know at this point. Who knows if things
Speaker 1: have changed since then. Um So I think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna say well, no, I was gonna say even
Speaker 1: the finale. Normally from the finale we get some type
Speaker 1: of resolution, but because of Barbed who we adore, we
Speaker 1: it was like the focus went towards that. So we
Speaker 1: didn't even focus really on the fact that Peter dumped
Speaker 1: hannah An his relationship with Madison because the focal point
Speaker 1: was Barbed right, So Chris Harrison didn't get to dig deep.
Speaker 1: So today we're gonna play Chris Harrison can't wait. Well,
Speaker 1: I think without further ado, we just have to get
Speaker 1: into it. We have to get started with Peter. So,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, please give a
Speaker 1: warm welcome to our latest bachelor, Peter Whipper Peter, Hi, Peter, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how's it going. I'm good, showing like a villain, you know, Peter.
Speaker 1: Where are you at right now? I'm in So, I'm
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I'm at Kelly's apartment right now. Getting to
Speaker 1: the good stuff right away the way I got Dustin,
Speaker 1: That says, Hi, Dusty waves. Hi. Wait, was Dustin Dustin's
Speaker 1: met you, Rachel? Yeah, Peter? Was he supposed to be
Speaker 1: our one of our bachelor's for the live show. Were
Speaker 1: you supposed to be a bachelor for the live show? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. I don't even know. Yeah, we'll tell him
Speaker 1: to keep next you're in February reserved. I'll keep next
Speaker 1: February reserved because they're coming back to you. All right,
Speaker 1: says Okay, where's Kelly? Kelly's still asleeping? What time is it?
Speaker 1: Which y'all do? Last night we had a good night
Speaker 1: and sad some fun we had like a dance party.
Speaker 1: Because you have you seen like these DJs that have
Speaker 1: been doing these like live shows, DJ Nice? Have you
Speaker 1: watched his h not his? No, we're watching Griffin and
Speaker 1: uh I think the guys or LOUI the child, But yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just didn't you want to be a DJ? Weren't
Speaker 1: you going to become a DJ? I would love to you.
Speaker 1: That's always been like a huge passion of mine. So
Speaker 1: really yeah, I've always just like known that I have
Speaker 1: it in me, like I have that whatever that is,
Speaker 1: like just pump up a crowd and like give what
Speaker 1: I feel to them. I just have to figure out
Speaker 1: a way to take it out. I got to learn
Speaker 1: what I'm doing obviously, But um, I know Blake he's
Speaker 1: like he's doing. I've been talking to him a little bit,
Speaker 1: and uh, because I have so much free time, you know,
Speaker 1: I might as well do something else. So what would
Speaker 1: be your style? Like your your your type of music
Speaker 1: that you would do? Tropical house? So you know that
Speaker 1: you ever heard of Kigo? Yes? Okay, So like his
Speaker 1: kind of music is like the music they talks to
Speaker 1: me touches me the most. So like that exact vibe,
Speaker 1: like a lot of like piano like instrumentals. Um, but
Speaker 1: just like that good, feel good music. Did you know
Speaker 1: that there's like a legit DJ school. Yeah? I did, okay,
Speaker 1: because because when I saw Blake at the Bachelor Live Tour,
Speaker 1: he was telling me. He's like, yeah, I went to
Speaker 1: DJ school. I'm like, where the hell is a DJ school?
Speaker 1: I've never heard of it, but it sounds cool. It
Speaker 1: sounds like it'd because I mean not kind of a
Speaker 1: pretty fun school, no, I think, Yeah, he went to
Speaker 1: one in Denver, So I'm gonna look for one in LA.
Speaker 1: And all this stuff is said and done. But I
Speaker 1: got my got my laptop, got all the equipment. So oh,
Speaker 1: you're serious. I mean, why not pick up a passion
Speaker 1: in a hobby during this time? So I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you off the bat, have you changed your stance
Speaker 1: on coronavirus? Uh? Are you talking about like? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to ask you Peter like one like TMZ thing. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I can yeah, fully change my stance. That was
Speaker 1: before everything I did. I used to think that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just kind of like an overblown thing, like
Speaker 1: unwarranted spear. Obviously it is not. I was one billion
Speaker 1: percent wrong, And yeah, I apologize for those comments. We'll
Speaker 1: call this the Redemption Podcast. You got to give you
Speaker 1: a chance to clear things up. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I was thinking when I said that. The guy called
Speaker 1: me off guard, but whatever, yeah, completely one eight. So hey,
Speaker 1: I will say when I was still on the tour
Speaker 1: before everything got shut down and we had to be
Speaker 1: locked inside because I was on the tour with Ben,
Speaker 1: and Ben seemed overly paranoid at that point, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I don't go away. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be that bad. And then fast forward to a
Speaker 1: month later, I'm like, I am biting my tongue right now.
Speaker 1: It's sad. I get it. It's sad, but yep, hopefully
Speaker 1: it's you know, kind of blows over soon. Who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're doing You're saying you're quarantining, so you're doing
Speaker 1: your part right. I as much as people think I
Speaker 1: haven't been, I promise you've been quarantining in social distancing
Speaker 1: here in Chicago. So for all of the listeners right now,
Speaker 1: you can't see us, were on zoom, so we're all
Speaker 1: looking at each other. But Peter is quarantining. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you miss at the top of this,
Speaker 1: but he is quarantining where and good old Shytown Chicago
Speaker 1: with with with good old Chop Chop Kelly and Dustin
Speaker 1: good Chop Chop. That's a that's what that's the nickname
Speaker 1: I've given Kelly. That's like on the last on her
Speaker 1: last episode in Peru, she's like, Chop Chop, give me
Speaker 1: the road. And so now I just call her Chop Chop. Oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: cute little nickname, a little pet name. So I was
Speaker 1: gonna hold off on the Kelly stuff, but I will
Speaker 1: ask you this, and I'm hoping by the time that
Speaker 1: we've were into this podcast that she wakes up. I
Speaker 1: really don't think she's asleep. I just think that she's hiding.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, Kelly, that's okay. I'm going to send
Speaker 1: a text Darren because because we've always been Kelly fans,
Speaker 1: so you know, you got a friend in us on
Speaker 1: this podcast. That's my sister in the law. So that's right, yep, exactly.
Speaker 1: So my question is we saw the TMZ photos come out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whether you guys were aware of that was going to
Speaker 1: happen or not, I don't know. You were in a
Speaker 1: pretty public place, so it's it wasn't shocking. I guess
Speaker 1: that somebody called. You know, you guys all hanging out right,
Speaker 1: So I guess my question is when you decided to
Speaker 1: do it, where y'all like fuck it? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just gonna go out, hang out. People
Speaker 1: are gonna talk regardless, Let's go Honestly, So we had
Speaker 1: been cooped up in Kelly's apartment for like quite like
Speaker 1: almost like a week before that ever came out, those pictures,
Speaker 1: and then finally it was a gorgeous thing in Chicago.
Speaker 1: They really dustin and Kelly really wanted me to do
Speaker 1: the Riverwalk, which is like this gorgeous thing to do here,
Speaker 1: And at first we were gonna do like a kind
Speaker 1: of hidden one closer to Kelly's apartment, but then like,
Speaker 1: now let's do the main one. So we ended up
Speaker 1: doing it, and honestly, like more hat sack glasses, thought
Speaker 1: we'd kind of be good. Wasn't trying to like put
Speaker 1: it in people's faces at all? Um. And that first
Speaker 1: picture I remember, I literally we were at like the
Speaker 1: one of the slips there on the lake and like
Speaker 1: I picked her up real quickly, like a little spinny thing,
Speaker 1: just for fun. And then someone taking dusts like well
Speaker 1: someone just got a picture and we're like no, and
Speaker 1: then whatever, you know, Peter, people are always watching. You
Speaker 1: need to give a wig or something. I know, I know, seriously,
Speaker 1: I need to like work on like a better disguise.
Speaker 1: But um, I mean listen at that point too, I
Speaker 1: don't think I know, people were like kind of upset
Speaker 1: the whole social distancing thing, and they just didn't know.
Speaker 1: They didn't, you know, know the facts about what I
Speaker 1: had chosen to do at that point. So I totally
Speaker 1: get their frustration with that. But now that I can
Speaker 1: kind of clear it up, we were social distancing. It
Speaker 1: was just us. And at that point that riverwalk was
Speaker 1: still open. Think there was thousands of people on it.
Speaker 1: So that's the problem, Peter, That's why people were upset.
Speaker 1: There were all those people there. Well, that's allowed at
Speaker 1: that point that the order had been allowed to be
Speaker 1: allowed to go walk and get exercise and get fresh air.
Speaker 1: And then the next they closed it. So yeah, because
Speaker 1: of you guys, Honestly, you brought so much attention to
Speaker 1: the riverwalk they close it down. So inquiring minds what
Speaker 1: to know? How did you end up quarantining at Kelly's
Speaker 1: take us back? Okay? Yeah, So I keep saying, just
Speaker 1: with Kelly Knight, it's been like very serendipitous with just
Speaker 1: everything's kind of happened from the very beginning. How we
Speaker 1: met before the show. I don't know if everyone knows,
Speaker 1: but while this show is airing, we ran We ran
Speaker 1: it in each other again in Miami on at the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. That was crazy, just a brief brief you know, hello,
Speaker 1: how are you doing by? And then fast forward now
Speaker 1: to a couple of weeks ago, through some mutual friends,
Speaker 1: we ranched each other a third time out in La,
Speaker 1: got her number, started communicating. She's always been very supportive
Speaker 1: of me, and you know, I've tried my best be
Speaker 1: supportive of her. Some stuff ended up happening with her family,
Speaker 1: some slight serious stuff like health stuff. So she was
Speaker 1: kind of like in a just a sad place, a
Speaker 1: rough place, and she was by herself, a roommates word
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Her family was in Florida, you know, quarantine,
Speaker 1: And so I decided to fly out, spent some time
Speaker 1: with there, try to take her mind off things, and um,
Speaker 1: you know that's what I did. Um. I Also, it
Speaker 1: actually ended up just working out because you know, obviously
Speaker 1: I still live at home and I fly still I
Speaker 1: have to do for the essential work. And I was
Speaker 1: like it better just like make this my home base
Speaker 1: and go back home and risk giving something to my parents,
Speaker 1: you know, who are in their sixties and they just
Speaker 1: made sense on all fronts, and um, you know I
Speaker 1: could be there for her and you know, hopefully I
Speaker 1: put a stall on her face and you know, distractor
Speaker 1: a little bit. So that was nicely put without being
Speaker 1: too specific that I believe you know, I believe you.
Speaker 1: I want to did because I want to know personally.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't the third time that you say, there's muchild friends
Speaker 1: who kind of hooked you guys up to bump into
Speaker 1: each other. Was that? Did that happen to be during
Speaker 1: the women tell all? No? This was this was way
Speaker 1: after all of that. She's I guess her her brothers
Speaker 1: are really good friends with Katie Agro and so I
Speaker 1: guess through that connection she was saying with them, I'm
Speaker 1: really good friends with Christian Haggarty. And I was out
Speaker 1: with Dylan and Devon one night and then I Dylan
Speaker 1: had been texting Christian, so I started texting Christian and
Speaker 1: then we were like, yeah, come out and meet with
Speaker 1: meet us. And you know, Kelly was what the on
Speaker 1: like this it's crazy so serendipitous, like you said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll say, I mean I was in Miami for the
Speaker 1: Super bowl, and I didn't run into either one of y'all,
Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess maybe they were hiding at
Speaker 1: that point. Peter. I'm excited that we have you and
Speaker 1: that you're finally clearing it up because I cannot begin
Speaker 1: to tell you the amount of DMS that I personally
Speaker 1: receive or that Garrett receives asking about you and if
Speaker 1: you and Kelly are together. And I've said this on
Speaker 1: the podcast before with Rachel, like people think just because
Speaker 1: we're part of this Bachelor world that we were on
Speaker 1: the show, like we somehow magically know everything about everyone,
Speaker 1: and that's not the case. So I don't know that
Speaker 1: we care to know. You don't even care to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just there's too many of us now, Like there's
Speaker 1: no way, and so I just don't even respond to
Speaker 1: people that ask me about you. Guys. So everyone listening,
Speaker 1: you've heard it from the horse's mouth here, Peters. But
Speaker 1: but listen, we aren't listen. We aren't dating right now.
Speaker 1: I can set that straight. Um. I me personally, obviously,
Speaker 1: have I've learned anything. It's to take things extremely slow
Speaker 1: and not rush into anything. I just was engaged. I
Speaker 1: just was finishing up another relationship, figuring out what was
Speaker 1: going to happen with that. So, um, you know we're
Speaker 1: there late, Peter, I gotta ask you a question. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I believe you that you're not dating one percent. Believe you. Um.
Speaker 1: I also like to point out that you were using
Speaker 1: Kelly's I at her apartment. I don't know. Nothing gets
Speaker 1: past me. I have never was I I was talking
Speaker 1: to Caitlin the other day doing a podcast and she
Speaker 1: like didn't want to say it. She's like, oh, is
Speaker 1: he trying to hide this or something? And then she's like,
Speaker 1: so whose computer are you on. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's Kelly, he said. She's like, Okay, hows gonna see.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're trying to hide anything, which personally
Speaker 1: I think is kind of refreshing. It's I think you've
Speaker 1: learned the hard way. Like a lot of leads that
Speaker 1: have had a difficult time, people have been hard on you, like,
Speaker 1: let's just call it what it is, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: be hard on you. Some people are gonna like what
Speaker 1: you do, some people aren't. So you just kind of
Speaker 1: have to live your life and cancel out all the
Speaker 1: other noise. And it seems like you're doing them. But
Speaker 1: back to what you said, you said you're taking it
Speaker 1: slow and you're not dating yet. You literally called where
Speaker 1: you are home right now. You said, I'm just making
Speaker 1: this my home base. That kind of sounds fast to
Speaker 1: see each other every day where you're quarantining. How many
Speaker 1: bedrooms does Kelly have? You know what I meant? Three bedrooms?
Speaker 1: Don't even try to tell me that you and Dustin
Speaker 1: are in your own rooms. We have our own room,
Speaker 1: and we got soph here too, Dustin's dogs. So we're
Speaker 1: having a party. It's just I mean, like, obviously it
Speaker 1: sounds like so much fun, you know, to have a
Speaker 1: group of people, because a lot of people are alone
Speaker 1: right now, But it also doesn't sound like you're taking
Speaker 1: a slow I'm just I'm just saying, so the perfect
Speaker 1: way to get to know somebody is like this. I
Speaker 1: understand that, but I will use the defense that we
Speaker 1: are quarantining together so that we have no choice. But
Speaker 1: it's done all of our time together, and I just
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that, very grateful because we get along still. Well,
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I look up there and just have
Speaker 1: so much respect for herself. So here's my segue into
Speaker 1: moving on, do you feel like at this point, because
Speaker 1: how many weeks have you been quarantined in Chicago? Um,
Speaker 1: I guess and now like a little over two and
Speaker 1: a half maybe, So, do you feel like you know
Speaker 1: Kelly better than you knew Hannah Ann or Madison at
Speaker 1: this point? Yes? Yeah, yeah, sege go ahead. I know
Speaker 1: you've spent a lot of time with her. Yea. I
Speaker 1: know more about my husband now than I haven't. I
Speaker 1: can see if the couples can make it through this
Speaker 1: quarantine when you are locked in together twenty four seven,
Speaker 1: you can make it through anything after this. It's very true. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I've definitely gotten to know her very well, everything that
Speaker 1: kind of makes your tick and just kind of like
Speaker 1: annoys all that stuff, and you're still there. Go ahead, Becca, Well, Peter,
Speaker 1: we have so many questions for you. I mean, we
Speaker 1: have a list here and I was up late last
Speaker 1: night writing and what I want to make sure to
Speaker 1: ask you, because I'm sure I'm not the only one
Speaker 1: who wants answers to everything. I want to start though,
Speaker 1: first by just kind of giving you the floor, because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a while now since you're finale,
Speaker 1: we haven't really heard too much from you. You know,
Speaker 1: you didn't do a press tour once everything went down,
Speaker 1: you kind of just, i mean not went off the grid,
Speaker 1: but you know, secluded away in Chicago, And so first
Speaker 1: and foremost, I want to know, why, why now, why
Speaker 1: this timing? Do you feel like it's right to finally
Speaker 1: come out and chat with all of us and give
Speaker 1: your side. And then I really want you to just
Speaker 1: take it away. And I'm sure you have so much
Speaker 1: on your chest that you want to start off by
Speaker 1: saying and kind of clear the air on some things. Um,
Speaker 1: So we'll save our deep, dark, tough questions for a
Speaker 1: little bit later, Okay, Yeah, I, Um, I just I
Speaker 1: just needed time that, you know, after the whole show ended. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know a lot had gone on there. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I obviously you know, yeah, I should do the press
Speaker 1: to apologize for not really just being in headspace to
Speaker 1: do that, but I just wasn't, um, and I know
Speaker 1: Madison wasn't as well, And that was just a tough
Speaker 1: couple of days for us. Right after. Um, that was
Speaker 1: just kind of like the last thing on my mind.
Speaker 1: And um, obviously there was a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: had happened between Madison and I right after that show
Speaker 1: and you know, into the next two days and then
Speaker 1: after that, you know, I just wanted to essentially just
Speaker 1: be there for my family. UM. I wanted us to
Speaker 1: just you know, come together and um support each other.
Speaker 1: We were going through a lot. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, comments, all critics, everyone just it was
Speaker 1: going It was kind of crazy, it was insane, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess just press really was the last thing on
Speaker 1: my mind. And um, you know, fast forward now a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and I really like it. I know
Speaker 1: it probably sounds crazy, like I'm in a really really
Speaker 1: good place right now and I feel just really good,
Speaker 1: and um, I'm really happy to that you know that
Speaker 1: I do feel that way, because it wasn't that way
Speaker 1: for a while. Um, after everything kind of ended and
Speaker 1: then just you know, having to see you so much
Speaker 1: stuff and so much hate. That stuff's hard and that
Speaker 1: stuff like just really took a while to kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, I knew I thought I had tough skin,
Speaker 1: and this, you know, really tested that and now I
Speaker 1: have even tougher skin. And um, yeah, I remember you know,
Speaker 1: finally reaching out and like you know, saying like listen,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to you know, kind of talk. And there's
Speaker 1: just there was so much stuff out there that just
Speaker 1: people were making all these claims and assumptions on just
Speaker 1: like you know, guesses. There were no facts, like no
Speaker 1: factual stuff, and so I'm all right, it's probably time
Speaker 1: for me to just clear some stuff up. And and
Speaker 1: so that's why I felt comfortable doing it. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a rolwind crazy, crazy experience. But well, and
Speaker 1: I will say this, I mean for people that come
Speaker 1: for the shows, it's hard to kind of fathom like
Speaker 1: what we go through. I think a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like any contestant who comes from the show kind of
Speaker 1: gets objectified, and people think that they know everything about us,
Speaker 1: and they have their opinions and their comments. And it's
Speaker 1: hard enough coming out of the show, especially as a lead,
Speaker 1: and having all of that attention fixated on you, and
Speaker 1: you have it coming in at all ends. You hear
Speaker 1: great things, new hear terrible things. I can't imagine not
Speaker 1: only that, but then having that come towards your family
Speaker 1: members too, and the people you love the most. Like
Speaker 1: I like props to you, and I hope that you
Speaker 1: and your family you know, have taken some time to
Speaker 1: talk and really sort things out and figure that out,
Speaker 1: because if anyone was coming from my mom like how
Speaker 1: people were coming from barb Oh, I would have lost it.
Speaker 1: Like there's no way I would have been able to
Speaker 1: handle that, and I would not have said cool, calm
Speaker 1: and collected by any means. So props to you, I
Speaker 1: hope I actually want to know. So you know, we
Speaker 1: saw your parents take on after the final rows and
Speaker 1: kind of where they stood in regards to your relationship
Speaker 1: with Madison. Where are things now with you and especially
Speaker 1: with your mom. Uh, we are in a really good
Speaker 1: place as well right now, and I it's something that
Speaker 1: like our relationship is just so close, like I sure
Speaker 1: you guys have with your mom and I just you know,
Speaker 1: I know she's just my number one fan and you
Speaker 1: know it's only wanted what's best for me. Um, that
Speaker 1: whole thing obviously just came from a place of love.
Speaker 1: Could the delivery of everything have been, you know, so different? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: You know she's the first one to admit that, but
Speaker 1: you know, from going down to that stage to or
Speaker 1: having that stuff happen on stage, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't go home like for a couple because I
Speaker 1: was still in the hotel being kept there for a
Speaker 1: couple of days after. But when I did go home,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just more of a and the
Speaker 1: way my family dynamic kind of works is like we
Speaker 1: are so close and yeah, I did it kind of
Speaker 1: seem like a little much and a little dramatic when
Speaker 1: it was, you know, what transpired, But that's just like
Speaker 1: that's also my family, and like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: a lot of families to be honest in everyday life,
Speaker 1: just behind closed doors, you know, where people aren't going
Speaker 1: to agree all the time. Family members are going to
Speaker 1: just have their own opinions and be passionate about it.
Speaker 1: And after kind of reflecting on it, it almost like
Speaker 1: just made me even more proud of my mom that
Speaker 1: you know, she you know obviously is very outspoken and
Speaker 1: we'll speak her mind. And you know, being on live TV,
Speaker 1: being in that pressure situation and having all this pressure
Speaker 1: to kind of conform to like us maybe a possibly
Speaker 1: a certain narrative. The fact that she didn't and doing
Speaker 1: that out of her love for me is such a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Um you know, delivery aside, like that's something nice,
Speaker 1: respect the hell out of my mom for and something
Speaker 1: I wish I could be a little bit more like
Speaker 1: her in regards to just like putting your foot down
Speaker 1: and just like you know speaking, you know, your your
Speaker 1: too heart. So we're doing really good. Um, we have
Speaker 1: that relationship where you know, we come in and we
Speaker 1: give each other a hug and nothing is gonna nothing
Speaker 1: is going to get in the way of that, and
Speaker 1: it's all good. We'll always have each other's back. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we're a family, and you know, those are
Speaker 1: the closest people to me and very lucky to have
Speaker 1: that kind of relationship, you know. I I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you guys are doing okay. I never had a doubt
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't be fine. I think things just needed
Speaker 1: to cool down. I think that you know, it's not
Speaker 1: to me. It was a cultural thing, which I understood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's just in general. Who watches the show.
Speaker 1: They don't understand things. I agree, and I think, like
Speaker 1: you said, your mom agrees the delivery wasn't right, but
Speaker 1: I understood the passion and the intention behind it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I've reach out to your mom. I talked
Speaker 1: to your mom through so I definitely understand it all right.
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Speaker 1: a question, Yeah, from what your mom said at the finale,
Speaker 1: do you still think that mother knows best? And you know,
Speaker 1: we can go into it you guys want, but you know,
Speaker 1: the next two days with Madison and I, you know,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of conversations and at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, at the end of that second day,
Speaker 1: we essentially were just proving my mom right. And um,
Speaker 1: you know I've always heard that, yeah, mom's no best
Speaker 1: and you know the reason that says out there, and
Speaker 1: I think they do. I do have one main question.
Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, we did get hannah AND's
Speaker 1: take during the finale. The one question I have And
Speaker 1: so I told Hannah, Hannah and this too. Like watching
Speaker 1: that back, obviously I can empathize with her and relate
Speaker 1: to her because I went through something so similar. I
Speaker 1: want to know and this is one thing that and
Speaker 1: I told her this. I don't think when I was
Speaker 1: broken up with on TV and went through it all
Speaker 1: like I wasn't able to process it with the cameras there.
Speaker 1: I was so blindsided and just I really blacked out,
Speaker 1: like I legit, did not know what to say. And
Speaker 1: in her case, it seemed like she was much more
Speaker 1: vocal to you. She she had a lot more to
Speaker 1: say to you as I just hid in the bathroom
Speaker 1: and cried. But my question for you, and this is
Speaker 1: something that I had wanted to ask are during my
Speaker 1: or his after the final roles, and I just never did.
Speaker 1: When was the moment that it changed for you? Because
Speaker 1: during the proposal and that day and we haven't talked
Speaker 1: to Neil Lane seeing you, you looked so happy, so exctic,
Speaker 1: you were kissing the ring. You just seemed like complete
Speaker 1: one eighty from what we saw go down. And so
Speaker 1: when was that one moment for you where things clicked
Speaker 1: and you're like, this relationship isn't going to work out
Speaker 1: and I have to now end things with my fiance.
Speaker 1: It was, man, that was just like that was absolutely
Speaker 1: like I keep saying, those is the hardest week of
Speaker 1: my life. And I remember, yeah, that interaction I had,
Speaker 1: you know with Neil Lane before that had happened. I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, that their production was all setting up to film,
Speaker 1: and that was in my hotel room and I was
Speaker 1: like outside in the living room area, and before that happened,
Speaker 1: like I like made an excuse to go into my
Speaker 1: room and just get away from everyone for a second
Speaker 1: and just like close the door and just like really
Speaker 1: sat down and was like because I was just struggling
Speaker 1: like no other obviously in regards like what had happened
Speaker 1: with Madison and seeing if I could actually do this,
Speaker 1: like the heartbreak that I was feeling, Could I actually
Speaker 1: pull myself together? Is it something that I truly felt
Speaker 1: like I should be doing? And I remember sitting there
Speaker 1: thinking that was like my last chance to maybe go
Speaker 1: a different direction. And I just sat there for probably
Speaker 1: twenty minutes just in my own head like really like
Speaker 1: what do I do? What do I do? Just so confused.
Speaker 1: And I'm the reason I bring that up is just
Speaker 1: like this stuff like I'll just be so honest, like
Speaker 1: I'm not obviously proud of it, but these questions, you know,
Speaker 1: began probably even before I even propose, And I know,
Speaker 1: looking back on it now, that should have been like
Speaker 1: a clear sign to me, but I did know that
Speaker 1: I love Hannah Ann. I did know that I felt
Speaker 1: heartbreak in the past, and then I could get over it.
Speaker 1: I would get over it. And did I want to
Speaker 1: possibly let this temporary pain that, Yeah, I can't have
Speaker 1: time to process this right now like a normal relationship
Speaker 1: and grieve it, but I want to let this possibly
Speaker 1: take away something or prevent me from getting into something
Speaker 1: so beautiful down the road for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: I made the decision to go forward, and I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of convinced myself that I was ready
Speaker 1: to propose to Hannah Anne. And again, I'm not proud
Speaker 1: of that, but that's the truth. And I kept just
Speaker 1: filding on to the love that I had for her
Speaker 1: and just what the potential. And then I guess after
Speaker 1: the show's over, now you know, we would do happy couples,
Speaker 1: and you know, I got to see her, you know,
Speaker 1: three or four times, and during those visits, you know,
Speaker 1: I had I love like I love Hannah and I
Speaker 1: truly I'm such a big fan of Hannah Ann and
Speaker 1: I always will be. We've always had a great time together.
Speaker 1: I just think that slowly but sure that I just
Speaker 1: noticed that maybe we weren't as compatible as I thought
Speaker 1: we were. And I say that in regards possibly just
Speaker 1: like the two of us challenging each other in a relationship.
Speaker 1: I just didn't I didn't necessarily feel it as much
Speaker 1: as I thought I was going to UM in those
Speaker 1: next couple of meetings and listen, a little bit of
Speaker 1: it too was unresolved feelings for you know, for Madison,
Speaker 1: and that was the stuff that I struggled with like
Speaker 1: no other. So as crazy of an answer, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously it started even before UM and that's not easy
Speaker 1: to admit, but that's the truth, and so I lied.
Speaker 1: Now I have questions. I knew you were going to rage. Well,
Speaker 1: I I'm listening to you talk. Do you feel that
Speaker 1: you were pressured into proposing to Hannah m Ask? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I I think it was just my own self imposed pressure.
Speaker 1: I really do think that, Like, yeah, I did. I
Speaker 1: didn't need to come out of this? Was that no
Speaker 1: go ahead? Sorry, I didn't like need to go into
Speaker 1: the show and like come out of age and like
Speaker 1: if I don't like it really wasn't like that. But
Speaker 1: I don't know at that at the end there I
Speaker 1: just I saw such like a I really did I
Speaker 1: saw all the potential in the world for an amazing relationship.
Speaker 1: I had never ever felt, ever felt the love from
Speaker 1: someone like Hannah and and showed me ever in my
Speaker 1: entire life. And I was one of the biggest things
Speaker 1: that I was looking for coming into this process, and
Speaker 1: she showered that on me like no other. Similarly to
Speaker 1: how I've felt like I've given that to women in
Speaker 1: the past, it haven't you know, haven't reciprocated it to me.
Speaker 1: I finally found that, and I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: I can't lose this girl. Like this girl is like
Speaker 1: she's just amazing in every way, She's perfect in every way.
Speaker 1: It almost seems like too good to be true. But
Speaker 1: that's just who Hannahn is. And so I put a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on myself. I mean, I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit from the show. Yeah sure I can. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can admit that, and um, yeah, it's just it's a
Speaker 1: tough tough week for me. So Peter, that last week,
Speaker 1: especially that last day, then do you think, like, did
Speaker 1: it ever cross your mind to just say, you know,
Speaker 1: I still love Hannah Ann even though I am heartbroken
Speaker 1: from Madison leaving. But instead of committing and you know,
Speaker 1: getting down on one knee and giving her that ring.
Speaker 1: Did it ever cross your mind to just say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's stay together, let's see where this goes. Let's not
Speaker 1: put the pressure of an engagement on this relationship, but
Speaker 1: I still want to see where our relationship can go.
Speaker 1: It did. It totally did. And my thought process and
Speaker 1: that just was I felt a little bit of it,
Speaker 1: you know, and grant looking back, Hannah and probably would have,
Speaker 1: you know, wish that I would have done that, But
Speaker 1: in the moment, I was thinking, you know, it might
Speaker 1: just be I was trying to pull myself in Hannah
Speaker 1: and shoes and like if someone said that to me,
Speaker 1: like it would obviously pull me back and take a
Speaker 1: couple of steps back. Now thinking how serious you actually
Speaker 1: were in the relationship, and you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: this show too, it's like it's a beautiful, beautiful moment
Speaker 1: that you two can share together and remember for the
Speaker 1: rest of your lives. And while yes, I can admit
Speaker 1: that I was heartbroken and I was dealing with a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff at that time, again, I kept looking
Speaker 1: too what could be with us, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to possibly take a beautiful moment that we could look
Speaker 1: back on it and be like so happy that I
Speaker 1: did do it and we have it documented now, you know,
Speaker 1: for for the rest of our lives. Like that was
Speaker 1: a big reason why I wanted to do the show,
Speaker 1: was you know, to hopefully have my story documented that
Speaker 1: I could pass down, you know, my kids and my
Speaker 1: grandkids and they could all see it. And again that's
Speaker 1: probably wasn't the best thinking, but that's what I was
Speaker 1: going through my head. So when we had Hannah Ann
Speaker 1: on the show, she you know, like she gave her
Speaker 1: side and her like how it affected her and everything.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that she said that really
Speaker 1: stood out to us was that when your season started,
Speaker 1: that's when you started to question things. Maybe you were
Speaker 1: already questioning them internally, but you started to say things
Speaker 1: to her that made her feel like, Okay, maybe we
Speaker 1: aren't where I thought we were. So did making the
Speaker 1: season back because like first first maybe first episode you
Speaker 1: had your date with Madison, I think they structure was different.
Speaker 1: So watching that first date, is that when you started
Speaker 1: to say, oh, I need to actually start telling her
Speaker 1: how I feel. Is that when it started for you?
Speaker 1: Because then and this is the follow up. The second
Speaker 1: episode was with Hannah Brown and then she made that
Speaker 1: comment on stage, Oh you felt like you need a
Speaker 1: closure with Hannah Brown? Right? Um? So I obviously was,
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with it internally in regards to just
Speaker 1: my feelings though from Madison at that point, and hadn't
Speaker 1: really vocalized that to her. Obviously. I when when I
Speaker 1: saw the first episode, it made it tough for me,
Speaker 1: It really didn't. Obviously, it was like a really great
Speaker 1: memory for me. It was a great first you know,
Speaker 1: one on one date with Madison. And that was again
Speaker 1: the first time that I opened up to Hannah and
Speaker 1: about kind of where I was struggling. And I struggled
Speaker 1: with that so much because that's the last thing I
Speaker 1: want to be putting on her is Yeah, She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's my person now and you should feel
Speaker 1: comfortable leaning on that person and sharing anything with them
Speaker 1: and you know, venting of them. But it's like that's
Speaker 1: so inappropriate and so weird and not what she wants
Speaker 1: to hear, um, especially them being the final two in
Speaker 1: the end. So I like, I was like, how do
Speaker 1: I go about this the right way? Um? But then
Speaker 1: I just continued to open up and really let her know,
Speaker 1: like where I was struggling and why I felt what
Speaker 1: I felt. I just felt like I needed to tell
Speaker 1: her that and she needed to know. And um. And
Speaker 1: then in regards to like you know with Hannah Brown,
Speaker 1: m listen on stage when she made those comments, but
Speaker 1: and she she brought up yeah, we uh brought up
Speaker 1: the closure with Hannah Brown. True. What that was in
Speaker 1: reference to though, was so we had watched the first
Speaker 1: two episodes I think like in December, we had gone
Speaker 1: like the copy before obviously it all aired, and we
Speaker 1: were watching it at our first Happy Couple weekend, and
Speaker 1: I guess Hannah Brown had been given the copy too,
Speaker 1: say she watched it. And then Hannah Brown had reached
Speaker 1: out to me on Instagram and direct message me and
Speaker 1: said that, um, hey, like I had just seen the
Speaker 1: first episode that was really rough, tough to watch, like
Speaker 1: you know, um, like, how are you doing with all that?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how how I feel about it?
Speaker 1: And so then when I got that, that's when I
Speaker 1: went to Hannah Ann and I was like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: Hannah Brown and reached out to me, I want to
Speaker 1: see if you're comfortable with me like continue to talk
Speaker 1: and possibly give her closure give me closure and all
Speaker 1: this because of how everything ended, would you be okay
Speaker 1: with that? Um? And she, you know obviously was a
Speaker 1: little like uneasy about it, understandably, and but finally I
Speaker 1: was like, listen as long just don't see her in person,
Speaker 1: but yeah you can, you guys can talk about it
Speaker 1: and and you know, handle all that stuff. So I said, okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: and then you know, Hannah and I, Hannah Brown and
Speaker 1: I just continue to talk through things. And she had
Speaker 1: been getting some like negative reactions from the you know,
Speaker 1: from the first episode in the second one when I
Speaker 1: actually started airing too, and so we're just being supportive
Speaker 1: of each other. I've always been, you know, that way
Speaker 1: for Hannah Brown as she's been for me. And that's
Speaker 1: what that was. In regards to what kind of closure
Speaker 1: in that scenario were you looking for, because it seems
Speaker 1: like the way that you guys left it on the
Speaker 1: show when you know she was in your dressing room
Speaker 1: and who has had that moment, it seems like it
Speaker 1: ended there. So what kind of closure for me as
Speaker 1: a viewer? Like what was missing? Like what did you
Speaker 1: both still need? I guess, well, I know you can't
Speaker 1: speak for Hannah Brown, but what did you need in
Speaker 1: that instance? Right? Um? And when I when I like,
Speaker 1: I guess when I say closure, Um, I just like
Speaker 1: I had brought that word up to Hannah and just
Speaker 1: because Hannah Brown was expressing to me that she didn't
Speaker 1: feel good about watching the episode, So like for me,
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was, I was moved on
Speaker 1: and I I really was, and I was you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the show, I kept thinking, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I kept thinking, they're gonna bring Hanah Brown
Speaker 1: at the finale and they were going to somehow sure,
Speaker 1: why not possibly see you know what I would do?
Speaker 1: But I really was like I had had the closure
Speaker 1: that I needed. Was it tough to watch? Absolutely? But
Speaker 1: closure wasn't one hundred It wasn't necessarily for me. Um.
Speaker 1: But back to that first episode and that whole date. Honestly, Um,
Speaker 1: we just ran out of time and we had to
Speaker 1: go to a night portion of the date later on,
Speaker 1: and a conversation had to get wrapped up. It wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily an our doing. We were told we had to,
Speaker 1: we had to finish it, and and so kind of
Speaker 1: left just like it was a little bit weird and
Speaker 1: odd because here we are and we're obviously two people
Speaker 1: that have had strong feelings for each other in the past,
Speaker 1: and we're reminiscing on that and not knowing what to do.
Speaker 1: I told people, like in that moment. It didn't get aired,
Speaker 1: but I told her, like, I'll leave the show right now.
Speaker 1: I got to the Bachelor if like there's something you
Speaker 1: wanted to sue, and you know, you go from that
Speaker 1: and you have that serious, serious conversation and then it
Speaker 1: literally just was like, all right, guys, the time's up.
Speaker 1: We have to we have to wrap this. And so
Speaker 1: we gave each other a hug and and just like
Speaker 1: wish each other well, and then I left and that's
Speaker 1: how it ended. It was like, not the most ideal
Speaker 1: way to end something like that. Yeah, well in that
Speaker 1: on the show too, And what we saw is that
Speaker 1: basically when Hannah, Hannah b said that, you know, single
Speaker 1: out the end of this talk to her. So since then,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we don't know what's going on with
Speaker 1: her and Tyler and whatnot, but I mean, does that
Speaker 1: off her soul stand or have you even heard from
Speaker 1: her to this day? We've talked since I did get
Speaker 1: her number from when she started DM and me on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and you know, we've just been very very supportive of
Speaker 1: each other. I saw her at Dylan and Hannah's engagement
Speaker 1: party and just really just really cordial and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no love loss there at all. And she's just
Speaker 1: been someone that I've been able to lean on a lot,
Speaker 1: and she's like literally always been there for me. Does
Speaker 1: any advice I needed? Just event like, she's been someone
Speaker 1: that I've been able to go to and is a
Speaker 1: really safe space and very grateful for her doing that
Speaker 1: for me. But there's nothing there between the two of you. No, nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing romantically as you know, pursuing each other. No. Great,
Speaker 1: So Madison, wait are you done with Hannah Anne? Yes?
Speaker 1: So yeah, we can I think rocking and rolling. Well,
Speaker 1: oh wait, I guess I will ask you. Have you
Speaker 1: spoken to Hannah Ann since the finale? Not since the finale?
Speaker 1: So just when? When? When the breakup day happened? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, she obviously left and then later that day
Speaker 1: it was you know, I just sent her you know,
Speaker 1: long text was kind of obviously just apologizing again, just
Speaker 1: saying essentially that I will always me and my family
Speaker 1: will always be there for her no matter what. And
Speaker 1: I sent it a long text to the you know,
Speaker 1: her family as well. We had a group text chain
Speaker 1: going then heard back from anyone. I called Hnnah and
Speaker 1: once later that day. Obviously she didn't you know, she
Speaker 1: didn't pick her up, she didn't really want to talk
Speaker 1: to me, and um, yeah, so then I saw her afar.
Speaker 1: I talked with her dad a couple of times. He
Speaker 1: had called me um on two occasions leading up to
Speaker 1: a far just kind of trying to ask about, um,
Speaker 1: where my head was at and what possibly might happen,
Speaker 1: what he could expect, just as you know, protection protecting
Speaker 1: his daughter, which I understood, um, and I tried to
Speaker 1: give him as much as I could, but obviously contra
Speaker 1: actually I wasn't necessary allowed to do so much. So
Speaker 1: that was that was tough for me. Um. But I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to Hannah and after yeah, and I mean
Speaker 1: I guess I get that, and rightfully so like her
Speaker 1: new brand now too is you know, she stood up
Speaker 1: to you and you know, found her voice and you know,
Speaker 1: moved on from that. So I think it will you know,
Speaker 1: be backtracking exactly. You know, that's no, I believe me.
Speaker 1: I want her to just thrive and just absolutely have
Speaker 1: the most amazing, beautiful life ever find her person and
Speaker 1: I treat you like I love that girl. I always
Speaker 1: will and no matter how she feels about me, Um,
Speaker 1: I'll always always want the best herd is Kelly friends
Speaker 1: with Hannah Anne and Madison. She yeah, she is, Um
Speaker 1: was she and maybe she's not now seeing the new circumstances. No,
Speaker 1: she Kelly and Hannah Anna talked m and they're they're
Speaker 1: they're very Yeah, Corgil, it's been very friendly. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: she's uh, Hannah Anne's been you know, I guess understanding
Speaker 1: of everything from what I've heard, and I know they
Speaker 1: have talked. I don't know about with Madison, but um,
Speaker 1: I do know that Hannah Anne and Kelly are good good.
Speaker 1: I like to hear that. I want to know. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we don't what's going on with filming future seasons
Speaker 1: because of this whole coronavirus going on. But like, if
Speaker 1: Hannah Ann or Madison or any of the other girls
Speaker 1: like Kelly or I'm sorry Kelsey for that matter, where
Speaker 1: to go on Paradise or potentially become Bouchart in the future,
Speaker 1: would that be weird for you or are you at
Speaker 1: the point where you do truly wish them the best,
Speaker 1: and you're just like you know what you do, you
Speaker 1: I promise, like I really am at that point. I
Speaker 1: still see like I know how I felt about them
Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, a few months ago. And
Speaker 1: I say, I've said that before, like I was asked
Speaker 1: that question since Chris Hannah Brown's season, Like it's the
Speaker 1: same for them. I will always have rather than my
Speaker 1: heart for them, like they are two very important people
Speaker 1: to me that through two months we had an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing experience together in relationship. But I trust me, Like
Speaker 1: I would that be weird obviously seeing them probably with
Speaker 1: someone else, Yeah, I think so, But I really I
Speaker 1: just want them to be happy and um just want
Speaker 1: the best. I think it would be weird if it
Speaker 1: depending on who it was, right, Like if you saw
Speaker 1: them with another Batter Nation person, it would be like
Speaker 1: whoa if it was yeah, it's one of the guys
Speaker 1: I think from like Hannah Brown season, it might be
Speaker 1: a little bit stranger, But I can't right then, you'd
Speaker 1: be pot kettle. Look look where you are right now.
Speaker 1: You know exactly exactly. And I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: hypocrite at all. So um, okay, Madison, So where to
Speaker 1: even start with this? I will preface this by saying
Speaker 1: I was so pro Matt, you and Madison together until
Speaker 1: you all had the second date and she spoke about
Speaker 1: her faith. Totally fine, I'm a Christian as well. And
Speaker 1: then I guess it was the next week where then
Speaker 1: she told you she gave you the ultimatum call it
Speaker 1: which you want, it's what it was, and but didn't
Speaker 1: but then didn't tell you that she was saving herself
Speaker 1: for marriage. Okay, So that's when things started to change
Speaker 1: to me, because things don't make sense, and I think,
Speaker 1: and my hope is to get some clarity here because
Speaker 1: what you guys say, and by that I mean you
Speaker 1: and Madison based on what she does or you do,
Speaker 1: doesn't add up and doesn't make like. They don't match up.
Speaker 1: Your words don't match up with your actions, and I
Speaker 1: think that's where I get confused. So then I have
Speaker 1: to deduce, like logically, try to figure out Okay, well,
Speaker 1: then this is what makes sense based on actions, right,
Speaker 1: actions speak louder than words. So I'm trying, maybe Becca,
Speaker 1: you go in, because I'm trying to figure out where
Speaker 1: I want to start with this line of questioning to
Speaker 1: try to understand your relationship with Madison. Well, and I
Speaker 1: think this is a good point. You use the word ultimatum,
Speaker 1: Rachel and Peter. When she threw that out there, you said,
Speaker 1: you know, I agree to disagree with you. We haven't
Speaker 1: had a conversation with you, and we haven't had one
Speaker 1: with Madison yet. I think when that episode aired, I
Speaker 1: believe that week we probably had to Chris Harrison or something,
Speaker 1: and he obviously give his take, but it's not you
Speaker 1: or Madison. And so you felt like it wasn't an ultimatum.
Speaker 1: But what makes you say that? Just because if I
Speaker 1: were to say that, and I feel like I would
Speaker 1: just be a hypocrite because the very first night of
Speaker 1: the entire you know, the show, that's opening night in
Speaker 1: the Mansion. In my opening toast to all the women,
Speaker 1: I asked them to please, whatever is on your heart,
Speaker 1: always feel comfortable sharing that with me. Don't hold back,
Speaker 1: whether it's good, bad, ugly. You think it's gonna hurt
Speaker 1: my feelings, piss me off, or make me happy, or
Speaker 1: you're feeling it for me. Please, I want this to
Speaker 1: be an open connection where you can feel comfortable. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was later, way later on in the
Speaker 1: whole journey there, but all that Madison was doing, she
Speaker 1: wasn't telling me you have to do this or this.
Speaker 1: She simply had something on her heart that she felt
Speaker 1: I should know. We were in a relationship, and in
Speaker 1: my opinion, that's completely acceptable for someone to express how
Speaker 1: they're feeling. And if I were to do something, it
Speaker 1: would make it really difficult for them to continue and
Speaker 1: they possibly have to reevaluate. She was never making a
Speaker 1: you have to do this or that. She said, and
Speaker 1: this is how I'm going to feel. I feel like
Speaker 1: you should know this. It's important because we are dating.
Speaker 1: If you do this, then this right, that's an ultimatum.
Speaker 1: You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that she can't express it to you, like to express
Speaker 1: how she's feeling, you know. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: argue whether it is an ultimatum or it isn't. My
Speaker 1: issue more so is did you feel a certain way
Speaker 1: knowing that you know you and Madison have this relationship.
Speaker 1: You constantly defended her with your family, saying you don't
Speaker 1: know Madison like I do. So obviously you guys shared
Speaker 1: a lot that we didn't get to see and we
Speaker 1: didn't really see the development of your relationship. So did
Speaker 1: it not bother you that she could be so upfront
Speaker 1: about everything except that, No, that did And I asked her,
Speaker 1: you know, why she didn't express that stuff to me
Speaker 1: earlier on why she waited so long? And I do
Speaker 1: think that it would have probably made a difference in
Speaker 1: possing my actions moving forward. I can't say for sure,
Speaker 1: because I truly wanted to stay so present and I'm
Speaker 1: intentional with each of the other two relationships going forward
Speaker 1: into that week. But yeah, I question that, and her
Speaker 1: response to me was and I can I can understand
Speaker 1: it is the timing of our relationship started off with
Speaker 1: the first date. We were the very first one on one.
Speaker 1: Maybe not something you bring up on the very first
Speaker 1: date when you okay, so it wasn't going to happen
Speaker 1: there group dates during the daytime, it doesn't happen. You're
Speaker 1: having a fun time doing something in the night portions
Speaker 1: if you do see the person, because it's not always guaranteed,
Speaker 1: it's a quick maybe ten minutes, it's not necessarily something
Speaker 1: super super allowable to have like a really deep important conversation.
Speaker 1: I agree past there the next date wasn't. The one
Speaker 1: on one was in Peru and an amazing part of
Speaker 1: the day, and then the night portion she did open
Speaker 1: up a lot to me about stuff and her faith,
Speaker 1: and she could have brought it up there. I could
Speaker 1: have seen that was the one opportunity for her to
Speaker 1: do it if she wanted to. I think I maybe,
Speaker 1: And she told me, She's like, I wasn't expecting you
Speaker 1: to kind of like have a conversation go that way.
Speaker 1: When I expressed her that I was falling in love
Speaker 1: with her, I think that might have thrown her off
Speaker 1: a little bit in regardless of what she fully wanted
Speaker 1: to get out. Maybe maybe not. And then it just
Speaker 1: to be honest, it's like, you look for the times
Speaker 1: where it could have been really appropriate because we don't
Speaker 1: get time off camera for her to have told me it.
Speaker 1: It was kind of difficult just how the timing worked out.
Speaker 1: Do you think religion is a difficult conversation to discuss
Speaker 1: with someone when you don't know what their belief is. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I do too. And when she had that second date
Speaker 1: with you, I thought, Wow, good for her. You know,
Speaker 1: she's like, this is what I believe, this is my
Speaker 1: faith this is what I want out of a husband,
Speaker 1: and to me, it was the golden opportunity to express
Speaker 1: all of it. And that's why I'm very curious as
Speaker 1: to what you thought about that, because I thought, well,
Speaker 1: why would you hold that back? You have admitted that
Speaker 1: it probably would have affected your decision moving forward. You
Speaker 1: don't know for sure because hindsight we just don't know,
Speaker 1: but it would have made you kind of go, huh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's I wasn't expecting that, especially since you were
Speaker 1: You said you wanted the women to be open from
Speaker 1: night one, and you gave that speech to the women
Speaker 1: that first night. You also were very honest with them.
Speaker 1: You're a very open person, intimate, believe in having that
Speaker 1: intimacy with your significant other, and you don't you don't
Speaker 1: hold back from that. I mean, you're in front of
Speaker 1: your family. So I think my question was when when
Speaker 1: she said when she didn't tell you, but then, as
Speaker 1: from the audience, we knew at that point that she
Speaker 1: was saving herself for marriage. I just didn't think that
Speaker 1: it was fair to go on this season with a
Speaker 1: man who has expressed is sexual, has expressed that intimacy
Speaker 1: is important to him, so It's not like you're going
Speaker 1: on Sean Lowe's season, right, He's going on your season. Okay,
Speaker 1: Peter sex at all in Bill four times, blah bla
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. It's just saying, that's how
Speaker 1: you were, That's how you were build America. Get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So she comes on your season knowing that she wants
Speaker 1: to save yourself, knowing that you're this person. Did you
Speaker 1: ever question yourself? Why would you come on my season
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm this way only to possibly eliminate yourself
Speaker 1: for that reason? Definitely question? It brought up a lot
Speaker 1: of questions to her in kind of reference to that,
Speaker 1: and I think to kind of start with, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember asking her, like, so, why did you because
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people saying, you know, you
Speaker 1: you most likely knew Peter and like what he kind
Speaker 1: of was about and the person he was and what
Speaker 1: he was comfortable and what he wasn't a little with doing.
Speaker 1: Why did you feel like that would be the right
Speaker 1: person to go on the Bachelor for it? And you know,
Speaker 1: she came back and she listen that just it is
Speaker 1: annoying to her to hear because She's never been someone
Speaker 1: that wanted to judge, Like I truly don't feel like
Speaker 1: Madison is a judgemental person like at all. She can
Speaker 1: be very you know, prideful, and that's like a great
Speaker 1: quality too, but she it's not someone that I think
Speaker 1: is is a huge judger. And you know, she said
Speaker 1: she had Listen, I didn't want to just because of
Speaker 1: what your past was, like, I'm not going to judge
Speaker 1: you at all and that hold anything against you, like
Speaker 1: I if this was going to work for us, let's
Speaker 1: take from that point on moving forward of of you know,
Speaker 1: any possible judgment if you wanted to use. She had
Speaker 1: you know, she actually had been someone that had been
Speaker 1: I guess nominated by like a family friend to come
Speaker 1: on the show. And it wasn't necessarily her at first,
Speaker 1: and she didn't know she wanted to do it, and
Speaker 1: she thought about it a lot and kind of let
Speaker 1: the process run and then until she had to actually
Speaker 1: make a decision if this is something she wanted to do,
Speaker 1: and then she was you know, from what she told me,
Speaker 1: it was something that she just decided like why not.
Speaker 1: You know, this this could be a you know, an
Speaker 1: amazing opportunity to go find someone. Why not? Well, work,
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but why not? I think maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit of it, if I had to guess,
Speaker 1: was her in the beginning thinking I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is my person, but like, this could be a
Speaker 1: really cool opportunity. I'll be fair. But I do know
Speaker 1: that that quickly changed with her, and she quickly realized, No,
Speaker 1: this is someone that I really actually am feeling something for.
Speaker 1: And again, I don't think there's really anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1: Because people that you want to say, oh, I came
Speaker 1: on just for you, and I knew I was in
Speaker 1: love with you from the beginning, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I buy so her honesty with that is something I appreciated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like defend her too much in
Speaker 1: all this. I'm just very curious. We haven't had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to her. So I'm just curious as
Speaker 1: to what your thoughts were about that, because I totally
Speaker 1: agree with that you have no idea at the beginning
Speaker 1: how it's going to be, and then you slowly start
Speaker 1: to see yourself fall, which is usually in most cases,
Speaker 1: and but then my thought is still, okay, so why
Speaker 1: couldn't you be fully open about what is so important
Speaker 1: to you and what you so value. If you value
Speaker 1: it like that, why are you waiting until you know
Speaker 1: the thirteenth hour right to finally say something. I wish
Speaker 1: I get confused. I do wish you would have I
Speaker 1: and I think I think maybe the fear might have
Speaker 1: been she would have gone home and she didn't want
Speaker 1: to go home for whatever reason that may be. That's it's,
Speaker 1: oh my god, if I tell him this, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: go home. Yeah, that's that's totally fair. Um, I she
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone home, but I could totally see her
Speaker 1: in that moment. Yeah, having those thoughts. Do you think
Speaker 1: And this is something that we've talked about obviously without
Speaker 1: you and trying to say like the what if, so
Speaker 1: say you get you got to that fantasy suite week. Obviously,
Speaker 1: that week in itself was very different for your season
Speaker 1: because this was the one time all of the girls
Speaker 1: were still living together under the same roof during that
Speaker 1: very weird intimate week. Had it gone differently, and I
Speaker 1: know you don't necessarily have a say in the dates
Speaker 1: and who goes win, but had Medicine gone first, had
Speaker 1: you spent that first overnight with her, maybe just talking,
Speaker 1: maybe just getting to know one another, and went on
Speaker 1: after that with the other two women. Do you think
Speaker 1: anything would have panned out differently? Do you think she
Speaker 1: still would have had that moment where she potentially was like, look,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, I have to remove myself or
Speaker 1: do you think that would not have taken place had
Speaker 1: she gone first? Yeah, I know it would. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: or it would have changed things that she would have
Speaker 1: gone first, and I would have known that obviously, we
Speaker 1: would have probably most likely I discussed that in the
Speaker 1: fantasy suite. Even look now, knowing what I know, if
Speaker 1: I would have had a fantasy suit with her, you know,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have at the night with each other. We
Speaker 1: would have she would have been comfortable with talking with me,
Speaker 1: you know, for a couple of hours. But that's something
Speaker 1: also that you know, she had mentioned me she is
Speaker 1: saving her marriage. Is just that kind of time just
Speaker 1: spent with you know, someone overnight, even with nothing physically happening. Um,
Speaker 1: something I can totally respect. But yeah, if I if
Speaker 1: I would have had her first, I would had a
Speaker 1: little bit more knowledge about everything. And again, the hardest
Speaker 1: part for me was I always tried my best to
Speaker 1: be so intentional with each relationship and just get lost
Speaker 1: in that relationship. That's what I did from the day
Speaker 1: one till the very end. That's how I felt I
Speaker 1: could actually make this work for me. And but yeah,
Speaker 1: if you asked that question, yeah, I think it would
Speaker 1: have been different. But if so, if that were the case,
Speaker 1: then and you know you had Medicine's fantasy sweet night.
Speaker 1: First move on to the next two girls. I mean,
Speaker 1: because you yourself admitted when she asked you that night,
Speaker 1: you know, like have you been intimate with these two
Speaker 1: other women? And you and I will say, I think
Speaker 1: you handled that situation. Yeah you did. Like kudos to
Speaker 1: you for how you approached it, because that's really really
Speaker 1: tough situation had like would would you have gone in
Speaker 1: and still been intimate with those girls because of you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's an important part to relationships, as you've said yourself,
Speaker 1: And so I don't under like, I can't imagine you
Speaker 1: not having the same reaction in moment and evening with
Speaker 1: the other two girls. Like for me, it's like, if
Speaker 1: you want it's going to be intentional, If you're going
Speaker 1: to be intentional and put yourself in every single relationship, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like you want to exhaust every relationship till
Speaker 1: you get to the end. If that's where it needs,
Speaker 1: if that's what you need to do to get there,
Speaker 1: to figure out each relationship and what is truly best
Speaker 1: for you at the end of this, you probably would
Speaker 1: have still had to do the same things. And so
Speaker 1: in my mind then it makes it tough to see
Speaker 1: like had she gone first, yes, maybe you would have
Speaker 1: gone into the next two nights and the next two
Speaker 1: dates with the other two women, knowing how she would
Speaker 1: have felt. But at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: things still probably would have taken place to I think,
Speaker 1: like allow for her to still have that moment of
Speaker 1: being like, maybe I do need to remove myself. No,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, I can't say for sure
Speaker 1: what I would have done. I guess I'll take that back.
Speaker 1: I do. I believe it possibly could have changed things.
Speaker 1: It definitely, Listen would have given it a lot more
Speaker 1: gravity if I would have known that stuff before. And Listen, Peter,
Speaker 1: would you have pulled a Colton and just ended the
Speaker 1: season event like I'm all in with this one girl. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that, but I just again, it
Speaker 1: would have just given it a lot more gravity the
Speaker 1: whole situation. And but then what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: that's what I said as well, Like while I was,
Speaker 1: you know, on this show, like I wanted to be intentional,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get lost in that relationship and explore
Speaker 1: everything I needed to. I've always felt, and I still feel,
Speaker 1: like intimacy is a huge important part of relationship. I
Speaker 1: have different views, obviously than I see in regards to
Speaker 1: that and what I'm saving it for not saving it for.
Speaker 1: And that's totally fine that we have those different views.
Speaker 1: But for me, I guess, like you say, yeah, I say, swine, twine,
Speaker 1: We'll never know because I'll never be put in that
Speaker 1: situation again. She says that you're not compatible. She talks
Speaker 1: about you guys not being compatible. There's just too many differences.
Speaker 1: You just have two different lifestyles. Whether she realized that
Speaker 1: with you, with talking to your family, that was the
Speaker 1: conclusion that she came to, and so she felt it
Speaker 1: was best to self eliminate. I actually agreed with that decision.
Speaker 1: So then we see what happens move forward. You engaged
Speaker 1: to Hannah Anne, you break up with Hannah Anne, Then
Speaker 1: the moment you break up with Hannah, Anne, what is
Speaker 1: your thought? Is your thought I can go pursue Madison
Speaker 1: or you did you reach out to her? Tell the truth,
Speaker 1: because I've seen these rumors that apparently y'all have mutual
Speaker 1: friends and y'all were hanging out. So go ahead. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we So we do have a mutual friend that she
Speaker 1: had met on the first date, So one of my
Speaker 1: close friends from high school. She had met her on
Speaker 1: that first date of my parents dalarnual ceremony, and they
Speaker 1: had stayed close and connected. We would talk, you know,
Speaker 1: that mutual friend. I guess both of us obviously on
Speaker 1: our own and you know she did it. My friend
Speaker 1: did a good job of respecting each other's privacy and
Speaker 1: not like she wouldn't tell me anything that Madison was
Speaker 1: saying like she wouldn't. He was really respecting that. That's
Speaker 1: why I knew I could obviously trust her to do
Speaker 1: the same. Did I have like when the relationship ended
Speaker 1: it with Hannah, and did I have thoughts about possibly
Speaker 1: reaching out? I did, but I just feel like that
Speaker 1: that wasn't my place to do it. She had left me.
Speaker 1: I did not leave her, and if anything, like that
Speaker 1: was ever going to happen. It was like, I just
Speaker 1: didn't see how it'd be right for me to go
Speaker 1: reach out her, like she'd already said no to me once,
Speaker 1: and so that's why I didn't. So prior to breaking
Speaker 1: up with Hannah Anne, you you yourself had no contact
Speaker 1: with Madison up until that point, correct, And then afterwards
Speaker 1: then I guess I'm confused. And so we see Chris
Speaker 1: Harrison go to Madison bring Madison back to you, and
Speaker 1: you didn't expect to see her. So did you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with Chris to be like, yeah, maybe go
Speaker 1: get hurt. Did you know any of this was going down?
Speaker 1: I knew none of that was going down. The only
Speaker 1: thing I knew about was one of the one of
Speaker 1: my producers, had just mentioned to me, like, hey, you
Speaker 1: see some pictures Madison was like a film crew right now.
Speaker 1: I guess they went to like in Auburn, in her hometown,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't tell me what it was about. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of like they just wanted to give me
Speaker 1: heads up, Hey you might see some pictures, like don't
Speaker 1: like freak out. I was like, okay, but did you
Speaker 1: think she was going to be bachelorette. Did she think it? No,
Speaker 1: did you think that? I definitely thought there was a
Speaker 1: chance for that, and I guess that's where did I
Speaker 1: think possibly something could be going on in regards to
Speaker 1: like me, I did, but I didn't know for sure.
Speaker 1: So that's why when she did surprise me, I obviously
Speaker 1: was very shocked, and I expect to see her there.
Speaker 1: I was. I was told I was gonna talk to
Speaker 1: Chris that dad, and so like they just had me
Speaker 1: doing some b roll looking around and and then I
Speaker 1: hear the heels come in and like that. But and
Speaker 1: then that's my soul Madison. Yeah, that interaction was weird.
Speaker 1: I'll just be honest, y'all. Didn't I knew you were
Speaker 1: caught off guard. I could tell you were surprised. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she knew she was coming to see you, right,
Speaker 1: and it was just off like she didn't seem that excited.
Speaker 1: I mean, she we had just seen her say that
Speaker 1: she still loves you, right, obviously you still loved her.
Speaker 1: You didn't express it then, but we learned it. I
Speaker 1: just and you, being the person that you are, just
Speaker 1: just very passionate, y'all just seem like, okay, here we are.
Speaker 1: It just didn't seem it was kind of underwhelming. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what what was that? I agree? And because I
Speaker 1: even I think even to on stage at Afar people,
Speaker 1: I've heard comments like they just the chemistry didn't really
Speaker 1: seem there at all. Oh yeah, it was not Okay,
Speaker 1: it wasn't you're you're right, You're totally right. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was just nerves it was it was
Speaker 1: just being you know, uncomfortable. Um, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was that you guys bring up a really valid point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seemed a little odd. I agree. Do you think
Speaker 1: it had something to do with and Rachel and I
Speaker 1: think talked about this on the same podcast that we
Speaker 1: had Hannah Ann on. So basically, I think my like
Speaker 1: as a viewer, I felt like I was lacking in
Speaker 1: that entire ending scenario because basically Madison had removed herself
Speaker 1: because she felt like, you guys weren't compatible, your lifestyles
Speaker 1: didn't maybe line up, and she just couldn't see it
Speaker 1: working in the long run. So she then removes herself
Speaker 1: at the end, only to then come back after talking
Speaker 1: with Chris, and you know, she told Chris like, I
Speaker 1: love Peter, who knows where this could go. Let's see.
Speaker 1: So she then comes to surprise you in La. But really,
Speaker 1: like what was going through my mind that entire time
Speaker 1: was that, like nothing's changed up until that point, Like
Speaker 1: guess maybe she still loves you, know, has those feelings,
Speaker 1: but if ultimately she felt like the lifestyles weren't going
Speaker 1: to be compatible, like that's still the case, Like nothing
Speaker 1: is any different besides here saying like, oh, Peter ended
Speaker 1: his engagement with Hannah Anne. So I feel like if
Speaker 1: I were to be you or her and this is
Speaker 1: just me being me and how I would react, I
Speaker 1: would like I probably wouldn't have gone out to La
Speaker 1: because I would have still been like, Okay, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can love somebody, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: some relationships just don't work out because you aren't compatible.
Speaker 1: And so for me watching it, I was like, what
Speaker 1: is going on? Because she was very like adamant about
Speaker 1: one thing and that thing is still present, but now
Speaker 1: she's doing something to try and see if it could
Speaker 1: maybe work. It just it didn't line up, and maybe
Speaker 1: that's what was causing the tension and why it seemed off.
Speaker 1: And before you answer to piggyback on what Becca saying,
Speaker 1: is she eliminates herself because you had been intimate during
Speaker 1: the same week with another woman, and then you propose
Speaker 1: to a woman you obviously are intimate with her. You've
Speaker 1: commits possibly spending the rest of your life with this person,
Speaker 1: which is even more than just you know, being intimate
Speaker 1: with women during fantasy week. And she can come back
Speaker 1: after that, but not come back but not deal with
Speaker 1: what she dealt with when the season was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are two good points, and I think real quick
Speaker 1: on the second one. I think that probably was a
Speaker 1: reason that it seemed very uncomfortable and from her obviously
Speaker 1: for me, I was probably picking up on that body
Speaker 1: language and just the vibe. But I do know that,
Speaker 1: like you know, stuff that didn't make it, that didn't air,
Speaker 1: We had more of a conversation than aired. You know,
Speaker 1: she did feel, you know, like a little bit uncomfortable
Speaker 1: in regards to me, just it was tough for her
Speaker 1: to take the fact that I had been engaged. That
Speaker 1: was hard for her. Swell and obviously coming out and
Speaker 1: making an effort to come and post to see if
Speaker 1: there's still something here with me was uncomfortable for her
Speaker 1: because she didn't want to be stepping on Hannah Anne's toes,
Speaker 1: and I remember her being like very thoughtful of that
Speaker 1: and kept like just wanting to make sure that she
Speaker 1: if we were going to do this, it'd be like
Speaker 1: done the right way. So I think I get it.
Speaker 1: Like it it seems a little odd. Why could she
Speaker 1: be not okay with Fantasy Suit Week but coming after,
Speaker 1: you know, an engagement just ended. I definitely think she
Speaker 1: was uncomfortable about that. But was she? Did you ask
Speaker 1: her that question? Yeah? And she told me that, Like
Speaker 1: she straight up told me, like in our conversation that
Speaker 1: she she didn't know the best way to go about this.
Speaker 1: Um she had obviously when she had gone back home,
Speaker 1: she had started really processing everything that had just happened,
Speaker 1: and you know, she realized that her feelings for me
Speaker 1: weren't going away. She like really struggled that for a while,
Speaker 1: and kind of to what you were saying, Beccau, Yeah, ultimately, listen,
Speaker 1: did our differences and lack of compatibility be the reason
Speaker 1: that we stop things? Yes, But she admitted to me
Speaker 1: that she thought, like her exact words were, and obviously
Speaker 1: like I'm very different than you know, possibly her dad
Speaker 1: or whatnot. But and all the respect in the world
Speaker 1: for her dad, but she told me, she's like, I
Speaker 1: kept thinking that I wanted someone just like my dad,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how like I just grew up
Speaker 1: and people that I've dated, and then after reflect and
Speaker 1: everything in the months that ensued, she said that she
Speaker 1: realized that she doesn't need anyone like her dad because
Speaker 1: she's just like her dad. And the fact that I am,
Speaker 1: you know, different in a lot of ways actually were
Speaker 1: qualities that she realized why she fell for me. And
Speaker 1: you know, she admitted that, m And so that's I
Speaker 1: think why you know, she elected to kind of like
Speaker 1: restart this and give this, you know, hopefully another chance
Speaker 1: with us again. Ultimately, when we really just had an honest,
Speaker 1: honest conversation with each other the two days after Afar,
Speaker 1: and it was just me and her, and we said, listen,
Speaker 1: let's completely remove our heart, our feelings from this conversation
Speaker 1: and only speak logically about if this is possible, can
Speaker 1: this work? And it was it was no, And yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Peter, I'm sorry. No, But like I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I think that what you saw there was
Speaker 1: was was two people that obviously had strong feelings for
Speaker 1: each other. And yeah, there was a reason issue why
Speaker 1: we ended, but weren't really ready to completely give up
Speaker 1: on those feelings. And again from what she realized, like
Speaker 1: you know, she said she had dated a lot of
Speaker 1: other guys that were different from me, that were like
Speaker 1: what she thought she wanted, they weren't working out for
Speaker 1: a certain reason, and so this is something that she realized,
Speaker 1: you know, before she came out. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: gets it makes sense to me. It's just what doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense is okay, So you'll have that talk, glad.
Speaker 1: That was one of my questions. So glad to know
Speaker 1: after we saw you guys meet for the first time
Speaker 1: since the breakup, you guys had a full out conversation
Speaker 1: and everything. That's great. So I would imagine that you
Speaker 1: continue to talk from then up until the finale, which
Speaker 1: is kind of why the message you kept giving them,
Speaker 1: like Becca and I and other outlets is we don't
Speaker 1: know how this is going to end. We don't know
Speaker 1: how this is going to end. So I'm curious as
Speaker 1: to what was the game plan coming into the finale,
Speaker 1: Like what was it supposed to be? How were you
Speaker 1: guys supposed to because I think the most shocking thing
Speaker 1: is two days later, y'all are done. It's like, what
Speaker 1: the hell was all that? Or you stood up to
Speaker 1: your family, you know, you profess your love for each
Speaker 1: other and how difficult you know what's going to be,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna work at it. Only for two days later,
Speaker 1: you guys ended, Which is why I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought it was staged. I'll yeah that, and
Speaker 1: it was not. Yeah, I got that, I've heard that,
Speaker 1: but it was not stage. I can promise you guys
Speaker 1: that We we didn't see each other until this on
Speaker 1: stage Life finale. We did talk. Obviously, we faced time
Speaker 1: a lot, and we just had a lot of those
Speaker 1: you know, talks that we needed to have that I
Speaker 1: wish you would have had way sooner than we could
Speaker 1: have had in the Fantasy suite, you know, with time
Speaker 1: off camera, you know, it's kind of crazy. But really
Speaker 1: the main the first time that her and I ever
Speaker 1: spent time alone off camera was when after the show ended,
Speaker 1: and that was just like crazy for like such a
Speaker 1: serious relationship for that to have been the first time.
Speaker 1: But we really didn't know what we were going to do,
Speaker 1: and we knew that, like obviously there were still feelings there,
Speaker 1: but going into the finale, we really didn't know what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, and I don't like looking back on it,
Speaker 1: I'm confused as why we didn't, like I didn't see
Speaker 1: each other before. Um, it was an option, and like
Speaker 1: I I wanted to do it, and you know, I
Speaker 1: remember her saying stuff like, well, maybe you should just
Speaker 1: like make this like really authentic on stage and like
Speaker 1: not like have that be the first time and and
Speaker 1: I saw I saw some of that like validity and um,
Speaker 1: but I remember, like before I saw Listen, I remember
Speaker 1: there too. Before I was like, I think I need
Speaker 1: to see her. I need to see her. And at
Speaker 1: that time, oh yeah, heater for somebody. I becka, back
Speaker 1: me up on this. When you love somebody and you
Speaker 1: have those happy couple weekends or you haven't seen anybody,
Speaker 1: you are itching there is like you are dying to
Speaker 1: see that person inside and the and I get you
Speaker 1: saying I wanted to see her. I wanted to see her,
Speaker 1: and to hear that she was like, maybe we should
Speaker 1: wait because it's more authentic on stage. Are you putting
Speaker 1: on a show or are you trying to get to
Speaker 1: know each other. That's where I have the conflict and
Speaker 1: you guys had already had so much lost time, and
Speaker 1: there was so much time that need to be made up,
Speaker 1: I think, to make to really solidified the relationship. And
Speaker 1: so if I was the two of you, I would
Speaker 1: have like from the moment she had flown out to
Speaker 1: La to try to rekindle things with you, that entire time,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, look, we need to be together.
Speaker 1: We need to see if we can make this work.
Speaker 1: We need to make up for all of the lost
Speaker 1: time there needed, like I think, for a relationship and
Speaker 1: for like you want to be with someone, as Rachel said,
Speaker 1: you want to spend those eppy couple moments together. And
Speaker 1: so to me, like I wouldn't have reacted that same
Speaker 1: way I would. I would not. I would have been
Speaker 1: so terrified to get on stage and have there be
Speaker 1: so many unknowns like I would have won. That's why
Speaker 1: it was awkward. I would not have you by my side, Peter,
Speaker 1: to really back each other up, to support one another,
Speaker 1: to feel super solid in that. And so I mean,
Speaker 1: and if you had that unity to do it, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't, it wasn't all her, I like I agreed
Speaker 1: to it too, Like I it wasn't just her all
Speaker 1: this happened. I don't you agreed. I just think the
Speaker 1: common thing theme that a lot of people saw is
Speaker 1: it looked like you were giving one hundred percent and
Speaker 1: one hundred percent wasn't being given back to you. That's
Speaker 1: just kind of how it comes off to an audience.
Speaker 1: So I'm very curious as we know how your family
Speaker 1: felt about Madison. Yeah, we saw it all play out.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to get in all that, but
Speaker 1: I have to ask why did your family feel a
Speaker 1: certain way about Madison? And I mean like not just
Speaker 1: a feeling like it was. It was like a steadfast
Speaker 1: thing and it went from father, mother, brother, you know,
Speaker 1: let your mom tell it, friends as well. So why
Speaker 1: were there feelings so strong against Madison? I think all
Speaker 1: of that stuff really did start in Australia when they
Speaker 1: when they were out there and it was like the
Speaker 1: family visits and the you know, Hannah Anna gone first
Speaker 1: and that went she just knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 1: My family fell in love with her immediately, obviously I
Speaker 1: knew why, and which just was such a great day
Speaker 1: and the second day comes to Madison and just boom
Speaker 1: is granted this is all my doing. That got her
Speaker 1: in this headspace, and I can I can take that responsibility.
Speaker 1: But she was not in a good headspace at all.
Speaker 1: And like the talks about you know, being outside the
Speaker 1: house for three hours waiting, having my parents wait was
Speaker 1: one hundred percent try that was that was the case.
Speaker 1: And I was essentially trying to like convince her why.
Speaker 1: I felt like we needed it, like at least put
Speaker 1: this stuff behind us and talk to my family. You know,
Speaker 1: they had just flown halfway around the world. If we
Speaker 1: go in and if I go in and say, listen,
Speaker 1: Madison just can't talk right now, like that's just not
Speaker 1: going to be a good look. So she didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk to your family. She didn't. Yeah, she didn't
Speaker 1: feel like she was in the right headspace to be
Speaker 1: able to go do that, okay, And so I, you know,
Speaker 1: I understood why she was still in the way she did.
Speaker 1: I knew we had to work on our own stuff,
Speaker 1: but that's just the way the show goes and the schedule,
Speaker 1: and like that was the one day we had allocated
Speaker 1: to go spend time with my family, and so I
Speaker 1: did my best to try to convince her why. You know,
Speaker 1: she finally, you know, realized Okay, you know she was
Speaker 1: gonna do it for me, and and then we went
Speaker 1: inside and obviously just off it was off to a
Speaker 1: bad start. You know, we my family obviously was you know,
Speaker 1: obviously annoyed. I think anyone would be like waiting three
Speaker 1: hours just doing nothing to have that conversation. It just
Speaker 1: got off to a bad start. Just immediately. You could
Speaker 1: feel the vibe was not the same with Hannah Anne.
Speaker 1: And you know they had, I guess known a little
Speaker 1: bit now about the differences that we had had I
Speaker 1: expressed to them, you know, the day prior about when
Speaker 1: I was talking about both women that you know, there
Speaker 1: had been some issues that Maddie and I were going
Speaker 1: through because of what had happened with the Fantasy Sweet Week,
Speaker 1: and so they had already seen, like started to see
Speaker 1: these differences. And they just being my family, and the
Speaker 1: one on one conversations I had with each of them,
Speaker 1: like we're just like, they didn't see this working. They
Speaker 1: just didn't see it working. And they saw that yes,
Speaker 1: she was an amazing girl, but the two of us
Speaker 1: were just too different, and they were just looking out
Speaker 1: for me, and you know, you see that passion kind
Speaker 1: of come out on stage and everything. And I think
Speaker 1: I do think as much as I can, you know,
Speaker 1: defend Maddie and everything, and I do think that she
Speaker 1: could have coming out on stage apologize, you know, really
Speaker 1: quick apology to to my parents about the last time
Speaker 1: she had seen him and what had gone down. I
Speaker 1: think that would have gone a long way, and I
Speaker 1: really really do, um you know, unfortunately that did happen.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. And that's kind of why that's
Speaker 1: really because that's the only time my parents saw Maddie
Speaker 1: like that was really where that passion and that just
Speaker 1: like them being just like, this is not going to work, Bud,
Speaker 1: you gotta like you gotta understand that that's where that
Speaker 1: came from. Peter. So your mom said this during the finale,
Speaker 1: but she said that day after, you know, waiting a
Speaker 1: couple of hours and finally sitting down with Maddie, that
Speaker 1: she asked her flat out, like do you love my son?
Speaker 1: And she had said no. And that's what you So
Speaker 1: when your mom had told you that, and maybe and
Speaker 1: I think she had said that she your brother had
Speaker 1: asked Madison the same thing and Madison had said the
Speaker 1: same answer. So when you knew that what was going
Speaker 1: through your your brain and knowing like, Okay, you know
Speaker 1: she's still here, but she's been on the fence about
Speaker 1: sticking around her leaving, and now she's admitting that she's
Speaker 1: not in love with me to my family, Like, what
Speaker 1: was going through your brain? I was so confused because
Speaker 1: literally an hour before outside she said she did love me.
Speaker 1: That was the first time she told me. I remember
Speaker 1: like being ridiculous because I was like, it's all I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to hear the entire time. And then like
Speaker 1: I just we were having a very serious conversation and
Speaker 1: like I just completely lost all seriousness because I was
Speaker 1: kind of happy and giddy. So she just told me
Speaker 1: that outside, and that's why my mom told me that.
Speaker 1: I was just very very confused and shocked because I'm like,
Speaker 1: what she just told me she did? And then but
Speaker 1: that's that's another thing. That's that's another thing of why
Speaker 1: my mom was, you know, very passionate about what she
Speaker 1: was saying. Was you hear she has Hannah Anne, Her
Speaker 1: and her hit it off like no other. Hannah's expressing
Speaker 1: how she does feel about me and she can totally
Speaker 1: see this with me, and then it's a literally complete opposite,
Speaker 1: you know, with Maddie, and you know her saying that
Speaker 1: she didn't love me and that she couldn't see an
Speaker 1: engagement in the next couple of days. That part, I
Speaker 1: will say, I get why Maddie couldn't see an engagement
Speaker 1: after how strongly she felt about fantasy like intimacy. I
Speaker 1: get that. A couple days later, that's not ideally how
Speaker 1: you want to be proposed to knowing what happened a
Speaker 1: couple I get that, But I do know that like
Speaker 1: that went a long way with my mom to like
Speaker 1: not be the biggest fan of that relationship. When when
Speaker 1: Maddie told her that, well, then I guess where's the disconnect?
Speaker 1: Like why did she just tell you that? And then
Speaker 1: she said no to your family? Did you ever ask
Speaker 1: her about that? Yeah? And I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's like semantic, all right. It was just
Speaker 1: like she I guess the way my mom had asked
Speaker 1: it was like, are you madly head over heels in
Speaker 1: love with my son or something like that, And I
Speaker 1: guess that made Maddie say no. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was just a confusing day. I don't Yeah, it's it
Speaker 1: sounds very confusing. And it sounds like you're better off.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see anybody fail. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like you guys are better separate than together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you could, because I know that we were supposed
Speaker 1: to talk to you after the finale, and obviously nobody
Speaker 1: saw it going the way that it did. And Becca
Speaker 1: and I totally respected the fact that this is personal
Speaker 1: at this point and it's not about doing a podcast, Like,
Speaker 1: we care about you and we want you to be
Speaker 1: okay at the end of the day. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to get into the details of your conversation with Madison,
Speaker 1: but after you got off stage, and obviously there was
Speaker 1: some you know, you guys were upset and emotional. Did
Speaker 1: you know that it was over at that point? No,
Speaker 1: So we got off stage, I remember we were both
Speaker 1: in a bad headspace, just like down We walked up
Speaker 1: to like the changing room areas where we were waiting
Speaker 1: before it, just her and I. We had a quick
Speaker 1: moment just with each other. We just hugged each other
Speaker 1: and just kind of like we're supporting each other. Then
Speaker 1: we decided to talk to some producers. Um, at that point,
Speaker 1: I don't from my side, I didn't think that it
Speaker 1: was it was over, over or anything. U. We then separated.
Speaker 1: I went back to my hotel, She went back to
Speaker 1: her hotel, called her parents for a little bit, then
Speaker 1: came back to my hotel. We spent a couple of
Speaker 1: hours and just you know, we're there for each other.
Speaker 1: Didn't really have a serious conversation about figuring this out,
Speaker 1: but just wanted to be there for each other and
Speaker 1: spend time. Fast forward to the next day. I didn't
Speaker 1: see her mom had flown out, and spent the day
Speaker 1: with her. The next day, the second day is when
Speaker 1: I went over to her hotel and we spent just
Speaker 1: like you know, six hours probably just talking. And that
Speaker 1: was when they had that sentiment going into the conversation
Speaker 1: that this is this is it, this is not this
Speaker 1: is unfortunately as sad as it is, like it's not
Speaker 1: going to work as much as like maybe we might
Speaker 1: want it to have worked. And that was the day
Speaker 1: where we both I think knew that it was it
Speaker 1: was over. So you guys agree to do an Instagram
Speaker 1: post to kind of announce the same time And then
Speaker 1: what did you do after that? Did you go home? Yes? Um?
Speaker 1: So that day was when I left her hotel. Um
Speaker 1: I went straight home, and I was the first time
Speaker 1: I saw my family and m first just you know,
Speaker 1: went in, gave him a hug and just like told
Speaker 1: him I loved him and everything and um, and then
Speaker 1: expressed him what had just happened with with Mattie and
Speaker 1: I and what we had decided to do and um,
Speaker 1: you know kind of began that whole healing process with
Speaker 1: my family and everything and just sticking together. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first day I went home. And then
Speaker 1: she went to go play board games with Selena Gomez.
Speaker 1: So I know, I didn't know that actually until the
Speaker 1: TMZ guys told me that. But um was that who
Speaker 1: Toulture I went from? I know, Jesus um I had
Speaker 1: found out. So she had told me that night that
Speaker 1: she was going to go spend some time with one
Speaker 1: of her friends, one of her good girlfriends that was
Speaker 1: living in la Um. Talking to Maddie later after because
Speaker 1: we had text here and there after was she told
Speaker 1: me like listen, I know how I guess how that
Speaker 1: could look. But like she did go over to her
Speaker 1: friend's place and her friend just ended up being really
Speaker 1: good friends with Selena, and I guess Selena said something
Speaker 1: about you know, hey, we're like going to my grandmother's
Speaker 1: house play board games, like come over here and something.
Speaker 1: They went over there. That's what I heard you. I
Speaker 1: believe it. I believe it. So have you and Maddie
Speaker 1: staying content contact since all of that? Or is it
Speaker 1: pretty much you know you've shut the door. You guys
Speaker 1: have both moved on. Yeah, we talked. We text for
Speaker 1: a little bit after, and you know, it was sad.
Speaker 1: You know, there was obviously like you know, missing each
Speaker 1: other kind of stuff like that and whatnot. And um,
Speaker 1: you know I remember she'd like send me like a
Speaker 1: video and it's just like it was. It was tough,
Speaker 1: but we we we both knew it was over. And
Speaker 1: then um kind of just all ended. Yeah, like we
Speaker 1: all right center one thing and like I never really
Speaker 1: heard any came back and like okay, yeah, like this
Speaker 1: is I gotta stop doing this. And then um, and
Speaker 1: then the little Kelly stuff happened, and you know, I
Speaker 1: came out here to be here for her, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I had sound like a text to Madison just kind
Speaker 1: of explaining everything so she could hear it from me,
Speaker 1: and she was like really you know brigg and rock
Speaker 1: Star and under you know, wasn't like trying to be
Speaker 1: even bigtive it or anything that I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was like, wasn't trying to be mean about it. Um,
Speaker 1: and just like kind of like told me that, so
Speaker 1: like like I appreciated that, and uh, yeah, then I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to her since. So, Becca, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever asked you this question before or I've
Speaker 1: even said this, but so, Peter, I'm directing this to you,
Speaker 1: and Becca, you can answer too. I in Fantasy Suite,
Speaker 1: I asked all of my guys if I didn't choose them,
Speaker 1: would they be the bachelor? Like I wanted to. It
Speaker 1: wasn't really a trick question. It was just more of
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how you would respond to this.
Speaker 1: And so Beca, did you ask your guys? Well? So,
Speaker 1: when I had fantasy suits, I only had two because
Speaker 1: I had sent Jason home prior to spending the night
Speaker 1: with him. Um, so I had Garrett and Blake. Had
Speaker 1: I gone a different route and ended up with Blake, Hell, no,
Speaker 1: would Garrett have been the Bachelor? There's no way. No.
Speaker 1: Garret wouldn't have done he would, you know? And well
Speaker 1: and I do know. I mean Blake was in talks
Speaker 1: to potentially be the Bachelor um along with some of
Speaker 1: the other guys when Colton season happened. So, um, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he would have said. Yes. I never asked him that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I know Garrett would have. You paid Garrett
Speaker 1: one million dollars and he would have not been the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: I think Brian would have would have done it. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm going somewhere with this. I'm asking you, Peter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think that because we kind of touched on this,
Speaker 1: but we didn't go into this when you were told
Speaker 1: that the cameras were at Madison's UM and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: did you think that she was going to be asked
Speaker 1: to be the bacherette? Do you think that if she
Speaker 1: was asked she would have done it? No? I don't.
Speaker 1: What about Hannah Anne Um? Yeah, okay, what about Kelly Um? No, Kelly,
Speaker 1: no one. So why do you think Hannah Anne would
Speaker 1: have and not the other two? Well? I guess so,
Speaker 1: I to be fair, I didn't actually ask them. So
Speaker 1: like my final three of this, and I never I
Speaker 1: never asked Hannah Anne. Um. It came up and talks
Speaker 1: to Madison and I and I tell you no, because
Speaker 1: she told me she would have said no, like that
Speaker 1: wasn't something she would have done. Um, but I guess
Speaker 1: with Hannah Anne, I mean because it's it's not there's
Speaker 1: there's nothing negative about that. Like I if you would
Speaker 1: if I would be talking to two former bacherettes here, yeah,
Speaker 1: in your final three, like if someone or my you know,
Speaker 1: Hannah Brown would ask you like, I would have been like,
Speaker 1: if you don't pick me, this is really weird question.
Speaker 1: But of course, like obviously it's working for me right now,
Speaker 1: so I know that it could work. If you broke
Speaker 1: my show now and it's not gonna work, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: I want to? Um, So it's nothing negative, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: Hannah and you know would have would have what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? Kind of sneak behind me?
Speaker 1: Is that Kelly? Yeah, she's trying to crawl on the
Speaker 1: floor behind me. Kelly, we heard you were Oh she
Speaker 1: didn't hear us because he's got headphones on. Binger on,
Speaker 1: come on it, come on it, say hi, can you
Speaker 1: hear us sneak around? Kelly's being bashful? Wait, we actually
Speaker 1: called to talk to you and I Peter just happened
Speaker 1: to pick up. I was just hogging the zoom screen.
Speaker 1: nowI Hi, Kelly, No, that's the question. We were just
Speaker 1: asking him. Listen. I think got a little too awkward
Speaker 1: on this show. No, you're not awkward. You just I think, yeah, spoken,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think you would have Kelly. You
Speaker 1: would have good because you would have kept the men
Speaker 1: in their place. True, you just get it. Becca and
Speaker 1: I are also two Batcheloris who didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of drama in our season because we were kind of like,
Speaker 1: we're here to do something and it's like it is
Speaker 1: what it is. So you probably would have been like that.
Speaker 1: Like it's changed a little bit, like in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years, it's more drama focused. So do they
Speaker 1: hold on to that? Did they reverse it and go
Speaker 1: back to what you guys had say, she's already she's
Speaker 1: asking the wrong this. Yeah, she couldn't do it. Are
Speaker 1: you do? You still have to work right now? Um?
Speaker 1: I should be working more than I am, but there's
Speaker 1: little things that I still have to do. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just didn't know. I mean, I don't practice anymore, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, what's what's going on in the legal world?
Speaker 1: Or people. Still, I did finish my cls this month,
Speaker 1: so I was so proud of myself for finishing. Remember. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: hey Rachel, may it please the court. I'm so proud
Speaker 1: out of you. I'm so proud of you. Look at
Speaker 1: you two steps away from a courtroom. No, we've just
Speaker 1: been having fun asking Peter questions about and Kelly, you're
Speaker 1: somebody we wanted to talk to on the show. I
Speaker 1: feel like we've hot We've No. No, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: hog your time because we've been talking to Peter. I
Speaker 1: feel like for an hour and a half. At this point,
Speaker 1: I'm in my closet. So Specca, we have nothing else
Speaker 1: to do, so the dance parties with the DJs on
Speaker 1: the team. Okay, well, here's a question. Why were you
Speaker 1: at women till all? I honestly don't know. No, No,
Speaker 1: not at women? Sorry, why were you am? I really
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's just from the only The
Speaker 1: only thing that I got was Chris Harrison doing an
Speaker 1: interview saying that they wanted to throw people off because
Speaker 1: they thought I was pregnant with Peter's child or something like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: was that a rumor? Practice? Yeah, people call up with
Speaker 1: the weirdest crap you guys. I swear well, Kelly, when
Speaker 1: when rached I saw you because we were there. We
Speaker 1: were just watching backstage. We weren't allowed out there, which
Speaker 1: we really wanted to, but when we saw you, were like,
Speaker 1: let us go sit with Kelly and Barr. Why are
Speaker 1: you guys keeping her back here? You were sitting next
Speaker 1: to my friend Kelly, my two guests on the show.
Speaker 1: The guy, it was a couple that was sitting next
Speaker 1: to you. Yea, yeah. So like they're big Bachelor fans.
Speaker 1: They do like he does ESPN stuff and he's like,
Speaker 1: I was like, we were sitting next to Kelly. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, you're welcome. I didn't even plan it
Speaker 1: that way, but you're welcome. That's so funny. And the
Speaker 1: first time I ever saw her there, it was there
Speaker 1: in the first commercial break and then Chris is like, hey,
Speaker 1: so I just did a little shift that out to Kelly.
Speaker 1: She's up there, and I looked at it. Kelly just waving,
Speaker 1: like what were y'all communication at that point? Like were
Speaker 1: y'all like cool? Y'all hadn't okay? I like people think
Speaker 1: everything happened like before. I didn't get her number until
Speaker 1: so I was talking about Christian that night, like nothing before. Well,
Speaker 1: in all fairness, you don't really need numbers these days,
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to communicate. So, Kelly, I'll ask
Speaker 1: you this question because we asked Peter when we know
Speaker 1: that you guys have been quarantined before those infamous TMZ
Speaker 1: photos when you decided to say, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Riverwalk where y'all just like fuck it,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go who cares who sees? No, not the
Speaker 1: social distancing, I mean like being out in public. Oh No,
Speaker 1: to be completely honest, I think we're pretty naive. And
Speaker 1: in that aspect um, you know, I was wearing like
Speaker 1: two hoods. He was wearing sunglasses and a hat, and
Speaker 1: I guess that just doesn't really work well with Clay
Speaker 1: and dust In two. I mean like stick out like sort.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy? They're real quick. This is insane. Um.
Speaker 1: So Katrina, who lives in Chicago as well, she sent
Speaker 1: a picture to Kelly, this is insane like those Katrina
Speaker 1: Katrina night one with the pussycat. Oh, let's I don't
Speaker 1: start knowing name. Still halfway through she had taken a
Speaker 1: picture like a selfie sitting on the riverwalk. This is crazy,
Speaker 1: and then in the background it's the three was the
Speaker 1: three of us with Dustin as well. You could tell
Speaker 1: what we were wearing if you compare to other pictures
Speaker 1: and we're like, this is insane. You can't go the
Speaker 1: leek one who I thought looked like me and a
Speaker 1: Dobrev Right, who's that? I thought she looked like some actress.
Speaker 1: I think that was her? Okay, she was she was
Speaker 1: at woman tell all? Okay, yeah, how was that? Woman's all?
Speaker 1: Definitely I'm sorry. I would say, well, we'll see her
Speaker 1: on Paradise, but who knows if Paradise is even moving forward? Yeah? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, because Kelly Peter's being very
Speaker 1: quoit about where your relationship stands these days. If Paradise
Speaker 1: happens and you get asked, would you go, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm made for these shows. Inspect it.
Speaker 1: They're amazing. It was an experience, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of the future I have
Speaker 1: with them. Well, what about friends? Because like I remember,
Speaker 1: coming on, I was like, I'm gonna stick to myself.
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest one in the house. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to read my books, go on these dates, do my thing.
Speaker 1: And I was pleasantly surprised that I had friends on
Speaker 1: the show and that I know we'll be friends forever.
Speaker 1: Was that the same experience you had? And if so,
Speaker 1: who are you close to? Yeah? Um, coming off the show.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when you're on the show and off
Speaker 1: the show, you you gravitate towards other people. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I talked to like McKenna and Kelsey every day, Um
Speaker 1: and throughout throughout the whole you know, of it airing back,
Speaker 1: you kind of just gravitate towards what episode is going
Speaker 1: on and who you're with on that group date or
Speaker 1: what happened there you know. Um, but I'm friends with
Speaker 1: with all the girls. I don't have any beef with
Speaker 1: any of them. Um, But yeah, Kelsey and McKenna are
Speaker 1: the ones that day keeping intact with a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: my forever favorite moment of you will be laying back
Speaker 1: on that bench with that foot up twirl. Like I said,
Speaker 1: Kelly is an entire mood. That is me. I was, like,
Speaker 1: I have Kelly, Kelly is me. I tell him all
Speaker 1: the time, like I've listened to y'all's podcasts, and the
Speaker 1: way that you think is very similar to mine, Like
Speaker 1: everything you usually say. I was likes fun Ons fun On, Like,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, And I keep telling
Speaker 1: him that I was, like just the way that she
Speaker 1: thinks like is incredible, Like I'm so, I'm literally jealous
Speaker 1: because you can tell you're you're super intelligent with everything
Speaker 1: you say. And we thank you fun On for I
Speaker 1: don't know everything. It's you know, you know, law school
Speaker 1: is like it teaches you a certain way to think
Speaker 1: more than anything else. But it's nice to hear it's
Speaker 1: appreciated because it's not appreciated by most. I always say
Speaker 1: our podcast is a logical like it's not for the
Speaker 1: hopeless romantics. You know. We're here to just like have
Speaker 1: a discussion and to talk things out, and not everybody
Speaker 1: wants to hear that. And there are other podcasts you
Speaker 1: can go to for that. Kelly, I will say you
Speaker 1: watching you and Rache and I have loved you the
Speaker 1: entire season. You were one of our favorites because you're
Speaker 1: just a breath of fresh air. Because you are logical,
Speaker 1: you are intelligent, you speak your mind, You are very articulate.
Speaker 1: But Rachel, I'm gonna disagree, and I'm gonna say the
Speaker 1: best moment of Kelly on the season was when you
Speaker 1: were the aboila yea, yes, that moment You're right, You're right, Becca,
Speaker 1: that was I knew I liked you before, but watching
Speaker 1: you was the aboila. I was like, God, she's good.
Speaker 1: And then when and when she and then when she
Speaker 1: like changed the script up though, because like that she
Speaker 1: wasn't the script and it was just like, pought me
Speaker 1: off guard. While we're filming O, I'm like, what was like,
Speaker 1: let's go, oh Quarantine? Can you like play act and
Speaker 1: do another telenovela together? That's what you should do. Believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't give them the TikTok. We don't have when
Speaker 1: it takes that TikTok. But can get listen? I am
Speaker 1: an anti TikTok person, Becca, just one. I can't get it.
Speaker 1: I would I would be worse than you, So kudos
Speaker 1: to you for doing it. I can't. Kelly, have you
Speaker 1: been on any of the other podcasts? Did you do
Speaker 1: Nick or Caitlin's or are we the first? No? She
Speaker 1: she was with Caitlin and m Ben Okay can you
Speaker 1: tell Can you guys, tell us like one thing that
Speaker 1: you didn't tell them, like some juicy detail, some juicy
Speaker 1: d give us, Like, give us something good that we
Speaker 1: can run with here, an exclusive, an exclusive? Kind of boring, Kelly,
Speaker 1: have you seen Peter in the shower during this quarantine?
Speaker 1: Is Peter better in real life or on the show? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, in real life better? I like to pick
Speaker 1: up for him. I was like, some parts of him
Speaker 1: that you saw were like necessarily him. But I even
Speaker 1: used to stay on the show. I was like, there's
Speaker 1: Peter Webber and then there's Bachelor the Peter or the
Speaker 1: Bachelor Peter, and you know they're big. You stop saying that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, true, I met him outside
Speaker 1: of this and he's so much cooler than he is. Peter,
Speaker 1: you are cooler than what we did see on the show.
Speaker 1: I guess I'd rather have it that way than vice versus.
Speaker 1: So thank you. No, absolutely, So you feel like if
Speaker 1: you met Peter, well you did beat him in real
Speaker 1: life before, but like you guys could hit it off.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 1: a It's yes, it's a compliment taken. It's a fine
Speaker 1: line to try to be both. The same person you
Speaker 1: see on TV is the same person you are in person,
Speaker 1: so right, you know, I know, yeah, Well, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing I think as leads, there's so much that
Speaker 1: happens that can't be portrayed on TV, and so I
Speaker 1: think for everyone, anyone who's ever been on the show,
Speaker 1: there's so much more. People are way funnier or more
Speaker 1: charismatic than what they come across. And Peter, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've met you now a few times in person, and um,
Speaker 1: like you really are just this very warm, bighearted, like
Speaker 1: fun charismatic guy that that I think we saw a
Speaker 1: good part of it on the show, but I think
Speaker 1: that they're so much more. And so, you know, regardless
Speaker 1: of what happened throughout the entire season and it didn't
Speaker 1: pan out, I'm sure as anyone had expected. Um, I
Speaker 1: think you are on your own path and I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you are about Shore. I really am. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: seem happy. Like we've talked to you a couple of
Speaker 1: times in studio. You're different, You're different. Thanks Kelly, Thanks Kelly,
Speaker 1: she's been amazing. How many times have you FaceTime Barb? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's obsessed with Sophie Dustin's dogs, and she's always calling, Hey,
Speaker 1: let me see Sophie, let me see Sophie. Let me
Speaker 1: see Chop Chop. So that's that's Kelly. Chop Chop were
Speaker 1: heard about? Chop chopped up? All right? Well, Kelly, we're
Speaker 1: so happy you popped into this. Thank you boys, Thanks Kelly.
Speaker 1: We hope to see more at you. Um So, Peter,
Speaker 1: as I just said, you know, there's obviously so much
Speaker 1: more than what anyone can ever see on a TV show.
Speaker 1: And when people say like they thought the ending was
Speaker 1: staged and the finale was staged, I don't think so,
Speaker 1: because like when we met with you in the studio
Speaker 1: before the season started, we asked you, like, what are
Speaker 1: you hoping from this, Like what do you want to
Speaker 1: be known for? And you were like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be known for a windmill or an inanimate object,
Speaker 1: like I want to be known for having the best
Speaker 1: love story. And unfortunately, for your time on the show itself,
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. Like, yes, you fell in love with
Speaker 1: a couple of girls, you were engaged, it didn't pan
Speaker 1: out with either of them, and I don't think that's
Speaker 1: anything you expected going into it. I don't think you
Speaker 1: could have foreseen any of what went down. So that's why,
Speaker 1: like watching it, I'm like, dude, like no offense, but
Speaker 1: this really sucks. Like all he wanted was to share
Speaker 1: his heart and to share this love story with the world.
Speaker 1: And so you know, you're making your own story now
Speaker 1: away from the TV. We don't know what's gonna necessarily
Speaker 1: happen with Kelly. But going back to your time, obviously
Speaker 1: it didn't pan out as you thought. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: we all have regrets going through it at moments. But
Speaker 1: what was your biggest regret and biggest takeaway from being
Speaker 1: the lead? My biggest regret I think was and it
Speaker 1: for me, it's so tough to like kind of admit
Speaker 1: or be okay with because, like I know the kind
Speaker 1: of person that I am, and at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I can't change myself to like be different.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that kind of sucked the most,
Speaker 1: I think was me just being a little bit too
Speaker 1: empathetic throughout the entire process and not putting my foot
Speaker 1: down in certain situations. And I guess do if I
Speaker 1: could have done it again, had a second chance, I
Speaker 1: could have tried a little bit harder, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I am who I am, and
Speaker 1: so it's like it's a regret, but it's like something
Speaker 1: I regret that I would I would continue to keep
Speaker 1: making because that's just the person I am. And maybe
Speaker 1: that's this kind of process wasn't ideal for me being
Speaker 1: on this side, as you know, the back, sir, but
Speaker 1: that's who I am, and I can't change who I am.
Speaker 1: And in regards like what you said about you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember saying that, like I didn't want I didn't
Speaker 1: care about any drama of being remembered for this or
Speaker 1: that I wanted to give people because I've been such
Speaker 1: a hopeless romantic. The romantic like that story they could
Speaker 1: live vicariously through and like inspire them to like never
Speaker 1: settle and like look for hopefully what I was going
Speaker 1: to go fine, But even though it didn't work out
Speaker 1: that way, I still I hope that it can inspire
Speaker 1: people just kind of seeing me now and where I'm at.
Speaker 1: And I've always said, like, I'm not a hopeless romantic.
Speaker 1: I don't like the word hopeless because I'm the kind
Speaker 1: of romantic that never loses hope that you know what
Speaker 1: that didn't work, and that didn't work, and there was
Speaker 1: so much should I had to go through with that.
Speaker 1: But guess what, I'm still having that mindset that you know,
Speaker 1: the next person is going to be my girl, And
Speaker 1: if I can still feel that way after what I
Speaker 1: just went through, hopefully that can in a different way
Speaker 1: inspire people in a way I didn't think was possibly
Speaker 1: going to at the beginning of the season. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: are very well said. So I have one last question
Speaker 1: for you, being that this is kind of like a
Speaker 1: redemption podcast for you and a ringwrit just on Thost
Speaker 1: failed out a lot going on in this closet. Seeing
Speaker 1: that this is a redemption podcast for you, and we
Speaker 1: started out at the beginning asking you about the coronavirus,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this last question. It's interesting
Speaker 1: you say empathy because I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: would have labeled that that you were indecisive. So that's
Speaker 1: why I think what you said is very powerful, because
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I actually can see that, I can
Speaker 1: see how you were being very empathetic, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people have labeled you as indecisive. A lot of
Speaker 1: people have had opinions on you one way or another.
Speaker 1: For various reasons, kind of as if I don't want
Speaker 1: to use certain words, but basically is if you don't
Speaker 1: make your own decisions, and I'm going outside of even
Speaker 1: them saying because of your mom. Just a lot of
Speaker 1: people have had a lot to say about you that
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with. Beca and I have had
Speaker 1: the chance to get to know you off of the podcast.
Speaker 1: You're a great guy. Your character's outstanding. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you send us a voicemail the other day and I
Speaker 1: turned to Brian, I was like, you couldn't be mad
Speaker 1: at Peter if you tried, You just couldn't. He's just
Speaker 1: such a good person. But I feel defensive of you,
Speaker 1: and I've said this before just because I feel like
Speaker 1: people have a lot to say about you. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of want to give you the opportunity and
Speaker 1: give you the floor like Becca did at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this podcast, to just address it. The people who
Speaker 1: have stuff to say about you, and that like you
Speaker 1: can't make your own decisions and you're indecisive. What do
Speaker 1: you have to say about that? Uh? You know, and
Speaker 1: yeah I heard that. It's ton and listen, I'll admit
Speaker 1: to a lot of it I was indecisive in regards
Speaker 1: to a lot of situations. But and I'm okay with
Speaker 1: that because that to me was just showing how how
Speaker 1: well this did work for me, and it was working
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I didn't want to fall from
Speaker 1: multiple women. I didn't want to have to have these
Speaker 1: crazy confusion you know days, these weeks I had to
Speaker 1: deal with, but I did. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: look the way I look at it, it's like I
Speaker 1: wasn't indecisive. That'd probably be a little bit weird because
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't working as well as maybe maybe it's
Speaker 1: the wrong opinion. But that's honestly that that's that's how
Speaker 1: I look at it. Um, you know, in regards of
Speaker 1: being like empathetic and like, I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of relationships why people like didn't understand why I was
Speaker 1: like maybe possibly giving that person so many chances or um,
Speaker 1: you know, not seeing the red flags right away or whatnot.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I'll specifically say like one with
Speaker 1: like Victoria, if I know, I got a lot of
Speaker 1: like backlash on that relationship, Like me going into this
Speaker 1: and like I've always been such a proponent for grace
Speaker 1: and like in a relationship that's so important also to
Speaker 1: be able to give it's one of the most beautiful
Speaker 1: gifts you can give. Um. The definition of grace is
Speaker 1: like is unwarranted us undeserved forgiveness and like, so that's
Speaker 1: how that was my mindset, and a lot of these
Speaker 1: relationships that people didn't get why I was doing what
Speaker 1: I was doing or whatnot, Like I always trying to
Speaker 1: practice that and like, you know, not just preachip, but
Speaker 1: practice it, um, So listen, that's still though, doesn't I
Speaker 1: made a ton of mistakes. I fess up to that
Speaker 1: over and over. The biggest one and the one that
Speaker 1: I hurt, My biggest regret I take back was you know,
Speaker 1: putting hand and what I put her through and like
Speaker 1: that to me, you know, is something that I will
Speaker 1: forever feel horrible about because I just care for her
Speaker 1: so much. But you know, through all that, I do
Speaker 1: feel like she's going to be Madison's going to be
Speaker 1: all the other women myself, like we are gonna still
Speaker 1: forever be grateful for this experience we share together. And
Speaker 1: you know, I never, for sure we'll ever regret being
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, that's for sure, just the experience I had
Speaker 1: the lessons I learned I'll take with me for the
Speaker 1: rest of our life. So that's great. And luckily bachelination
Speaker 1: is a short term memory. So that's what I hear.
Speaker 1: But there's no other show being film right now. I
Speaker 1: kind of take the attention, all, yeah, you really are
Speaker 1: you really are getting the short end of the stake
Speaker 1: stick here because yeah, I know what I mean. Until
Speaker 1: Listen to Your Heart starts, no one's going to be
Speaker 1: able to talk about another show. So Peter, one last
Speaker 1: question before we let you get going here the entire season,
Speaker 1: I think it can be said, and Rachel and I
Speaker 1: have said this to like, what does Peter want? What
Speaker 1: do you want? It might have been different going into
Speaker 1: the season than it is now, but what ultimately do
Speaker 1: you want in a partner? What are you looking for
Speaker 1: that's really going to fill you at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. I want someone that listen all, I still
Speaker 1: want a lot of the same things I wanted from
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, but someone that you know,
Speaker 1: really just gets me for who I am and it
Speaker 1: is never going to try to have me change in
Speaker 1: any way, even if they think it might be a
Speaker 1: weakness in me. It's something they appreciate about me and
Speaker 1: you know, someone that I do feel like we can
Speaker 1: really challenge each other. And that's not to be negative
Speaker 1: or like, oh he needs to have a problem or
Speaker 1: an issue or he needs the drama. That's not what
Speaker 1: it is. But someone that really just you both challenge
Speaker 1: each other really well. And you know, I've had the
Speaker 1: opportunity just to see and date a lot of different
Speaker 1: personalities in different women obviously in the last two months,
Speaker 1: and like, so I see a lot of what I
Speaker 1: like and what I don't like now, um, and so
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that for sure moving forward. UM.
Speaker 1: And you know, at the end of day, just someone
Speaker 1: that just makes me happy, and um, I can make
Speaker 1: them happy. And it's nothing really much more complicated than that. UM.
Speaker 1: And I know that's that's gonna happen for me. We
Speaker 1: know it will, and we'll be watching, We will be
Speaker 1: watching and hopefully well, Peter, we loved having you on.
Speaker 1: I mean we said it before, but we're always going
Speaker 1: to root for your happiness. We're always gonna want you
Speaker 1: to find love because, like I said, you have such
Speaker 1: a big heart and we've seen that and so I
Speaker 1: really want you at the end of the day to
Speaker 1: hopefully find what you're looking for. Um. You know, we
Speaker 1: all go through these crazy ups and downs, especially being
Speaker 1: from the show. Um, but it seems like you did
Speaker 1: learn a lot and took a lot. So we're always
Speaker 1: going to be your biggest supporters here, um, because we
Speaker 1: can wait. It's it's a crazy world that you've gotten
Speaker 1: yourself into and you're part of it now you're stuck
Speaker 1: with us. Um, but we're happy that we can all
Speaker 1: be in it together. No, I love you both so
Speaker 1: much to thank you for everything, just always being there
Speaker 1: for me and you know, the whole whole way, So
Speaker 1: thank you, Oh Peter. And one thing too, I should say, Um,
Speaker 1: my mom was actually asking for your mom's number because
Speaker 1: my mom, my mom struggled a lot while I was
Speaker 1: gone on the show, just because she she couldn't really
Speaker 1: talk to me, you know. Um, So she she wants,
Speaker 1: she was joking the other day, she wants to start
Speaker 1: like a support group of bachelor parents. So I think
Speaker 1: she actually reached out to your mom on Instagram, so
Speaker 1: hopefully they can chat aside. Um. Yeah, but when all
Speaker 1: this quarantine is said and done, we're all coming over
Speaker 1: and bringing my mom for some Cuban food. Okay, thank you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to fire it up. No, for sure, she's
Speaker 1: gonna love that, so I can't wait. Thanks Peter so
Speaker 1: much for doing this. Hopefully this is if for you.
Speaker 1: Now you can live your life. That's for do you?
Speaker 1: Just do you? Thank you so much for giving us
Speaker 1: your time. Thank Kelly, and tell Dustin what's up to us?
Speaker 1: All right? Love you guys, Peter. You know it's so.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad we talked to Peter Becca because I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I was a little indifferent about doing an
Speaker 1: interview because I thought, Okay, are we just going to
Speaker 1: be rehashing the same things over and over again? Is
Speaker 1: this just gonna be you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just didn't think that. I know our listeners wanted it,
Speaker 1: but I just wasn't sure how the podcast would go.
Speaker 1: And I am so glad we did it. I thought
Speaker 1: that Peter is a new Peter. Dare I say it.
Speaker 1: I think people will be surprised, pleasantly surprised at what
Speaker 1: they heard Peter say and where he is and where
Speaker 1: he was coming from. And I honestly think he's in
Speaker 1: a headspace now to clearly talk about it. Without being
Speaker 1: biased or too emotional from what had happened before. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think a little time and space and distance always helps.
Speaker 1: And and even for me, I mean, be worth supposed
Speaker 1: to speak to him right after the finale, and I personally,
Speaker 1: I think in that moment I would have come at
Speaker 1: the interview as like a scorned woman because I could
Speaker 1: relate with him Anne, and I was in that mindset.
Speaker 1: And so it's good to now have a little distance
Speaker 1: from everything that went down. We've seen Peter kind of
Speaker 1: move on from his season with Kelly, We've seen the
Speaker 1: girls kind of move on, and so I think it
Speaker 1: helps to shape the conversation a little bit better. And
Speaker 1: as you said, Peter now has some space, he has
Speaker 1: some clarity, He can come at this and finally really
Speaker 1: say what he wants to say and what he wants
Speaker 1: to get off of his chest. So I'm so happy
Speaker 1: we finally spoke with him. Yeah, Plus we got Kelly. Now,
Speaker 1: if we had done this interview right after the finale,
Speaker 1: we never would have gone Kelly. So thank you for that,
Speaker 1: Thank you for Kelly for making a guest appearance on
Speaker 1: That's a Happy Hours. So glad we finally got you. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was a good one, guys, but we have to
Speaker 1: start leaving him alone because a new show is coming
Speaker 1: up starting this Monday. We have Listened to Your Heart,
Speaker 1: which we have to look forward to and I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: But Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, you can actually get our
Speaker 1: first interviews on the show. We have a new podcast
Speaker 1: dropping this Friday where you can get our take on
Speaker 1: what's to come and listen to your Heart. That's right.
Speaker 1: We are the official podcast, which means we are dropping
Speaker 1: things first, So you're welcome. For Peter, that is over
Speaker 1: and done with. We're entering a new season. Listen to
Speaker 1: your Heart so excited. April thirteenth, eight seven Central. We've
Speaker 1: got two contestants coming up on the show. It's going
Speaker 1: to be so good and you're only going to hear
Speaker 1: them here on Bachelor Happy Hour. So thank you guys
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