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Speaker 1: have on the podcast today none other than Peter Webber.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I feel like this has been an unusual

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Speaker 1: current Bachelorette season filming right now. Things were kind of

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Speaker 1: We've never seen an ending like this, so we were

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Speaker 1: finally we'll get to see what's going on from Peter himself. Yeah, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. This is one of the interviews that

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Speaker 1: this day gid DMS being like, bring Peter on, Bring

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Speaker 1: and Peter, Like I, regardless of what people think about

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Speaker 1: Bring him in because from the beginning, Becca, from the beginning, well, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, please give a

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Speaker 1: warm welcome to our latest bachelor, Peter Whipper Peter, Hi, Peter, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: how's it going. I'm good, showing like a villain, you know, Peter.

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Speaker 1: Where are you at right now? I'm in So, I'm

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Speaker 1: So that's the problem, Peter, That's why people were upset.

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Speaker 1: are so close and yeah, I did it kind of

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Speaker 1: seem like a little much and a little dramatic when

424
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Speaker 1: it was, you know, what transpired, But that's just like

425
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: that's also my family, and like I feel like that's

426
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot of families to be honest in everyday life,

427
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: just behind closed doors, you know, where people aren't going

428
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: to agree all the time. Family members are going to

429
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Speaker 1: just have their own opinions and be passionate about it.

430
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Speaker 1: And after kind of reflecting on it, it almost like

431
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: just made me even more proud of my mom that

432
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, she you know obviously is very outspoken and

433
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: we'll speak her mind. And you know, being on live TV,

434
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,719
Speaker 1: being in that pressure situation and having all this pressure

435
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: to kind of conform to like us maybe a possibly

436
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: a certain narrative. The fact that she didn't and doing

437
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: that out of her love for me is such a

438
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Um you know, delivery aside, like that's something nice,

439
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: respect the hell out of my mom for and something

440
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 1: I wish I could be a little bit more like

441
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: her in regards to just like putting your foot down

442
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: and just like you know speaking, you know, your your

443
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 1: too heart. So we're doing really good. Um, we have

444
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: that relationship where you know, we come in and we

445
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: give each other a hug and nothing is gonna nothing

446
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: is going to get in the way of that, and

447
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: it's all good. We'll always have each other's back. Um.

448
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: You know, we're a family, and you know, those are

449
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: the closest people to me and very lucky to have

450
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: that kind of relationship, you know. I I'm glad that

451
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: you guys are doing okay. I never had a doubt

452
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't be fine. I think things just needed

453
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: to cool down. I think that you know, it's not

454
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: to me. It was a cultural thing, which I understood. Yeah,

455
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: and that's that's just in general. Who watches the show.

456
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: They don't understand things. I agree, and I think, like

457
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: you said, your mom agrees the delivery wasn't right, but

458
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: I understood the passion and the intention behind it. Um.

459
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Speaker 1: You know, I've reach out to your mom. I talked

460
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Speaker 1: to your mom through so I definitely understand it all right.

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486
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Speaker 1: a question, Yeah, from what your mom said at the finale,

487
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: do you still think that mother knows best? And you know,

488
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: we can go into it you guys want, but you know,

489
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: the next two days with Madison and I, you know,

490
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: we had a lot of conversations and at the end

491
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: of the day, at the end of that second day,

492
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: we essentially were just proving my mom right. And um,

493
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: you know I've always heard that, yeah, mom's no best

494
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: and you know the reason that says out there, and

495
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: I think they do. I do have one main question.

496
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, we did get hannah AND's

497
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: take during the finale. The one question I have And

498
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: so I told Hannah, Hannah and this too. Like watching

499
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: that back, obviously I can empathize with her and relate

500
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: to her because I went through something so similar. I

501
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: want to know and this is one thing that and

502
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: I told her this. I don't think when I was

503
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: broken up with on TV and went through it all

504
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: like I wasn't able to process it with the cameras there.

505
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: I was so blindsided and just I really blacked out,

506
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: like I legit, did not know what to say. And

507
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: in her case, it seemed like she was much more

508
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: vocal to you. She she had a lot more to

509
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: say to you as I just hid in the bathroom

510
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: and cried. But my question for you, and this is

511
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: something that I had wanted to ask are during my

512
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: or his after the final roles, and I just never did.

513
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: When was the moment that it changed for you? Because

514
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: during the proposal and that day and we haven't talked

515
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: to Neil Lane seeing you, you looked so happy, so exctic,

516
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 1: you were kissing the ring. You just seemed like complete

517
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: one eighty from what we saw go down. And so

518
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: when was that one moment for you where things clicked

519
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, this relationship isn't going to work out

520
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: and I have to now end things with my fiance.

521
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: It was, man, that was just like that was absolutely

522
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: like I keep saying, those is the hardest week of

523
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: my life. And I remember, yeah, that interaction I had,

524
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: you know with Neil Lane before that had happened. I remember,

525
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, that their production was all setting up to film,

526
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: and that was in my hotel room and I was

527
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: like outside in the living room area, and before that happened,

528
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: like I like made an excuse to go into my

529
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: room and just get away from everyone for a second

530
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: and just like close the door and just like really

531
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: sat down and was like because I was just struggling

532
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: like no other obviously in regards like what had happened

533
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: with Madison and seeing if I could actually do this,

534
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: like the heartbreak that I was feeling, Could I actually

535
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: pull myself together? Is it something that I truly felt

536
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: like I should be doing? And I remember sitting there

537
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: thinking that was like my last chance to maybe go

538
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: a different direction. And I just sat there for probably

539
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: twenty minutes just in my own head like really like

540
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: what do I do? What do I do? Just so confused.

541
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: And I'm the reason I bring that up is just

542
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: like this stuff like I'll just be so honest, like

543
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: I'm not obviously proud of it, but these questions, you know,

544
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: began probably even before I even propose, And I know,

545
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: looking back on it now, that should have been like

546
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: a clear sign to me, but I did know that

547
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: I love Hannah Ann. I did know that I felt

548
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: heartbreak in the past, and then I could get over it.

549
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: I would get over it. And did I want to

550
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: possibly let this temporary pain that, Yeah, I can't have

551
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: time to process this right now like a normal relationship

552
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and grieve it, but I want to let this possibly

553
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: take away something or prevent me from getting into something

554
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: so beautiful down the road for the rest of my life.

555
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I made the decision to go forward, and I guess,

556
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, kind of convinced myself that I was ready

557
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: to propose to Hannah Anne. And again, I'm not proud

558
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: of that, but that's the truth. And I kept just

559
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: filding on to the love that I had for her

560
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: and just what the potential. And then I guess after

561
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: the show's over, now you know, we would do happy couples,

562
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: and you know, I got to see her, you know,

563
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: three or four times, and during those visits, you know,

564
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: I had I love like I love Hannah and I

565
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: truly I'm such a big fan of Hannah Ann and

566
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: I always will be. We've always had a great time together.

567
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: I just think that slowly but sure that I just

568
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: noticed that maybe we weren't as compatible as I thought

569
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: we were. And I say that in regards possibly just

570
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: like the two of us challenging each other in a relationship.

571
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: I just didn't I didn't necessarily feel it as much

572
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: as I thought I was going to UM in those

573
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: next couple of meetings and listen, a little bit of

574
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: it too was unresolved feelings for you know, for Madison,

575
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: and that was the stuff that I struggled with like

576
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: no other. So as crazy of an answer, you know,

577
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: obviously it started even before UM and that's not easy

578
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: to admit, but that's the truth, and so I lied.

579
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: Now I have questions. I knew you were going to rage. Well,

580
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: I I'm listening to you talk. Do you feel that

581
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: you were pressured into proposing to Hannah m Ask? Yeah?

582
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: I I think it was just my own self imposed pressure.

583
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: I really do think that, Like, yeah, I did. I

584
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: didn't need to come out of this? Was that no

585
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: go ahead? Sorry, I didn't like need to go into

586
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: the show and like come out of age and like

587
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: if I don't like it really wasn't like that. But

588
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't know at that at the end there I

589
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: just I saw such like a I really did I

590
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: saw all the potential in the world for an amazing relationship.

591
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: I had never ever felt, ever felt the love from

592
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: someone like Hannah and and showed me ever in my

593
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: entire life. And I was one of the biggest things

594
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: that I was looking for coming into this process, and

595
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: she showered that on me like no other. Similarly to

596
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: how I've felt like I've given that to women in

597
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: the past, it haven't you know, haven't reciprocated it to me.

598
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: I finally found that, and I was like, I can't

599
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: I can't lose this girl. Like this girl is like

600
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: she's just amazing in every way, She's perfect in every way.

601
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: It almost seems like too good to be true. But

602
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: that's just who Hannahn is. And so I put a

603
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on myself. I mean, I'm a little

604
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: bit from the show. Yeah sure I can. Yeah, I

605
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: can admit that, and um, yeah, it's just it's a

606
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: tough tough week for me. So Peter, that last week,

607
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: especially that last day, then do you think, like, did

608
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: it ever cross your mind to just say, you know,

609
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: I still love Hannah Ann even though I am heartbroken

610
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: from Madison leaving. But instead of committing and you know,

611
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: getting down on one knee and giving her that ring.

612
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: Did it ever cross your mind to just say, like, hey,

613
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: let's stay together, let's see where this goes. Let's not

614
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: put the pressure of an engagement on this relationship, but

615
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: I still want to see where our relationship can go.

616
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: It did. It totally did. And my thought process and

617
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: that just was I felt a little bit of it,

618
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, and grant looking back, Hannah and probably would have,

619
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, wish that I would have done that, But

620
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: in the moment, I was thinking, you know, it might

621
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: just be I was trying to pull myself in Hannah

622
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: and shoes and like if someone said that to me,

623
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: like it would obviously pull me back and take a

624
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: couple of steps back. Now thinking how serious you actually

625
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: were in the relationship, and you know, a lot of

626
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: this show too, it's like it's a beautiful, beautiful moment

627
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: that you two can share together and remember for the

628
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: rest of your lives. And while yes, I can admit

629
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: that I was heartbroken and I was dealing with a

630
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: lot of stuff at that time, again, I kept looking

631
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: too what could be with us, and I didn't want

632
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: to possibly take a beautiful moment that we could look

633
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: back on it and be like so happy that I

634
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: did do it and we have it documented now, you know,

635
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: for for the rest of our lives. Like that was

636
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: a big reason why I wanted to do the show,

637
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: was you know, to hopefully have my story documented that

638
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: I could pass down, you know, my kids and my

639
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: grandkids and they could all see it. And again that's

640
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: probably wasn't the best thinking, but that's what I was

641
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: going through my head. So when we had Hannah Ann

642
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: on the show, she you know, like she gave her

643
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: side and her like how it affected her and everything.

644
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: And one of the things that she said that really

645
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: stood out to us was that when your season started,

646
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: that's when you started to question things. Maybe you were

647
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: already questioning them internally, but you started to say things

648
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: to her that made her feel like, Okay, maybe we

649
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: aren't where I thought we were. So did making the

650
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: season back because like first first maybe first episode you

651
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: had your date with Madison, I think they structure was different.

652
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: So watching that first date, is that when you started

653
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: to say, oh, I need to actually start telling her

654
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: how I feel. Is that when it started for you?

655
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Because then and this is the follow up. The second

656
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: episode was with Hannah Brown and then she made that

657
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: comment on stage, Oh you felt like you need a

658
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: closure with Hannah Brown? Right? Um? So I obviously was,

659
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with it internally in regards to just

660
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: my feelings though from Madison at that point, and hadn't

661
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: really vocalized that to her. Obviously. I when when I

662
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: saw the first episode, it made it tough for me,

663
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: It really didn't. Obviously, it was like a really great

664
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: memory for me. It was a great first you know,

665
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: one on one date with Madison. And that was again

666
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: the first time that I opened up to Hannah and

667
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: about kind of where I was struggling. And I struggled

668
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: with that so much because that's the last thing I

669
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: want to be putting on her is Yeah, She's like,

670
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, she's my person now and you should feel

671
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: comfortable leaning on that person and sharing anything with them

672
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: and you know, venting of them. But it's like that's

673
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: so inappropriate and so weird and not what she wants

674
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: to hear, um, especially them being the final two in

675
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: the end. So I like, I was like, how do

676
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: I go about this the right way? Um? But then

677
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: I just continued to open up and really let her know,

678
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: like where I was struggling and why I felt what

679
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: I felt. I just felt like I needed to tell

680
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: her that and she needed to know. And um. And

681
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: then in regards to like you know with Hannah Brown,

682
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: m listen on stage when she made those comments, but

683
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: and she she brought up yeah, we uh brought up

684
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: the closure with Hannah Brown. True. What that was in

685
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: reference to though, was so we had watched the first

686
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: two episodes I think like in December, we had gone

687
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: like the copy before obviously it all aired, and we

688
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: were watching it at our first Happy Couple weekend, and

689
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I guess Hannah Brown had been given the copy too,

690
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: say she watched it. And then Hannah Brown had reached

691
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: out to me on Instagram and direct message me and

692
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: said that, um, hey, like I had just seen the

693
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: first episode that was really rough, tough to watch, like

694
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, um, like, how are you doing with all that?

695
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how how I feel about it?

696
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: And so then when I got that, that's when I

697
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: went to Hannah Ann and I was like, hey, listen,

698
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: Hannah Brown and reached out to me, I want to

699
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: see if you're comfortable with me like continue to talk

700
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: and possibly give her closure give me closure and all

701
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: this because of how everything ended, would you be okay

702
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: with that? Um? And she, you know obviously was a

703
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: little like uneasy about it, understandably, and but finally I

704
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: was like, listen as long just don't see her in person,

705
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: but yeah you can, you guys can talk about it

706
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: and and you know, handle all that stuff. So I said, okay, thanks,

707
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: and then you know, Hannah and I, Hannah Brown and

708
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: I just continue to talk through things. And she had

709
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: been getting some like negative reactions from the you know,

710
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: from the first episode in the second one when I

711
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: actually started airing too, and so we're just being supportive

712
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: of each other. I've always been, you know, that way

713
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: for Hannah Brown as she's been for me. And that's

714
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: what that was. In regards to what kind of closure

715
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: in that scenario were you looking for, because it seems

716
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: like the way that you guys left it on the

717
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: show when you know she was in your dressing room

718
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: and who has had that moment, it seems like it

719
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: ended there. So what kind of closure for me as

720
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: a viewer? Like what was missing? Like what did you

721
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: both still need? I guess, well, I know you can't

722
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: speak for Hannah Brown, but what did you need in

723
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: that instance? Right? Um? And when I when I like,

724
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: I guess when I say closure, Um, I just like

725
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: I had brought that word up to Hannah and just

726
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: because Hannah Brown was expressing to me that she didn't

727
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: feel good about watching the episode, So like for me,

728
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was, I was moved on

729
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: and I I really was, and I was you know,

730
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the show, I kept thinking, to

731
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: be honest, I kept thinking, they're gonna bring Hanah Brown

732
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: at the finale and they were going to somehow sure,

733
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: why not possibly see you know what I would do?

734
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: But I really was like I had had the closure

735
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: that I needed. Was it tough to watch? Absolutely? But

736
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: closure wasn't one hundred It wasn't necessarily for me. Um.

737
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: But back to that first episode and that whole date. Honestly, Um,

738
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: we just ran out of time and we had to

739
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: go to a night portion of the date later on,

740
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: and a conversation had to get wrapped up. It wasn't

741
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: necessarily an our doing. We were told we had to,

742
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: we had to finish it, and and so kind of

743
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: left just like it was a little bit weird and

744
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: odd because here we are and we're obviously two people

745
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: that have had strong feelings for each other in the past,

746
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: and we're reminiscing on that and not knowing what to do.

747
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: I told people, like in that moment. It didn't get aired,

748
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: but I told her, like, I'll leave the show right now.

749
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: I got to the Bachelor if like there's something you

750
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: wanted to sue, and you know, you go from that

751
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: and you have that serious, serious conversation and then it

752
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: literally just was like, all right, guys, the time's up.

753
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: We have to we have to wrap this. And so

754
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: we gave each other a hug and and just like

755
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: wish each other well, and then I left and that's

756
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: how it ended. It was like, not the most ideal

757
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: way to end something like that. Yeah, well in that

758
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: on the show too, And what we saw is that

759
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: basically when Hannah, Hannah b said that, you know, single

760
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: out the end of this talk to her. So since then,

761
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we don't know what's going on with

762
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: her and Tyler and whatnot, but I mean, does that

763
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: off her soul stand or have you even heard from

764
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: her to this day? We've talked since I did get

765
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: her number from when she started DM and me on Instagram,

766
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: and you know, we've just been very very supportive of

767
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: each other. I saw her at Dylan and Hannah's engagement

768
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: party and just really just really cordial and um, yeah,

769
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: there's no love loss there at all. And she's just

770
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: been someone that I've been able to lean on a lot,

771
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: and she's like literally always been there for me. Does

772
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: any advice I needed? Just event like, she's been someone

773
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: that I've been able to go to and is a

774
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: really safe space and very grateful for her doing that

775
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: for me. But there's nothing there between the two of you. No, nothing,

776
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: nothing romantically as you know, pursuing each other. No. Great,

777
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: So Madison, wait are you done with Hannah Anne? Yes?

778
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, we can I think rocking and rolling. Well,

779
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: oh wait, I guess I will ask you. Have you

780
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: spoken to Hannah Ann since the finale? Not since the finale?

781
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: So just when? When? When the breakup day happened? Um,

782
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, she obviously left and then later that day

783
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: it was you know, I just sent her you know,

784
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: long text was kind of obviously just apologizing again, just

785
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: saying essentially that I will always me and my family

786
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: will always be there for her no matter what. And

787
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: I sent it a long text to the you know,

788
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: her family as well. We had a group text chain

789
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: going then heard back from anyone. I called Hnnah and

790
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: once later that day. Obviously she didn't you know, she

791
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: didn't pick her up, she didn't really want to talk

792
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: to me, and um, yeah, so then I saw her afar.

793
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: I talked with her dad a couple of times. He

794
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: had called me um on two occasions leading up to

795
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: a far just kind of trying to ask about, um,

796
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: where my head was at and what possibly might happen,

797
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: what he could expect, just as you know, protection protecting

798
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: his daughter, which I understood, um, and I tried to

799
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: give him as much as I could, but obviously contra

800
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: actually I wasn't necessary allowed to do so much. So

801
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: that was that was tough for me. Um. But I

802
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: haven't talked to Hannah and after yeah, and I mean

803
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: I guess I get that, and rightfully so like her

804
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: new brand now too is you know, she stood up

805
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: to you and you know, found her voice and you know,

806
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: moved on from that. So I think it will you know,

807
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: be backtracking exactly. You know, that's no, I believe me.

808
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: I want her to just thrive and just absolutely have

809
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: the most amazing, beautiful life ever find her person and

810
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: I treat you like I love that girl. I always

811
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: will and no matter how she feels about me, Um,

812
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: I'll always always want the best herd is Kelly friends

813
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: with Hannah Anne and Madison. She yeah, she is, Um

814
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: was she and maybe she's not now seeing the new circumstances. No,

815
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: she Kelly and Hannah Anna talked m and they're they're

816
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: they're very Yeah, Corgil, it's been very friendly. Um, you know,

817
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: she's uh, Hannah Anne's been you know, I guess understanding

818
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: of everything from what I've heard, and I know they

819
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: have talked. I don't know about with Madison, but um,

820
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: I do know that Hannah Anne and Kelly are good good.

821
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: I like to hear that. I want to know. I mean,

822
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: obviously we don't what's going on with filming future seasons

823
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: because of this whole coronavirus going on. But like, if

824
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: Hannah Ann or Madison or any of the other girls

825
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: like Kelly or I'm sorry Kelsey for that matter, where

826
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: to go on Paradise or potentially become Bouchart in the future,

827
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: would that be weird for you or are you at

828
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: the point where you do truly wish them the best,

829
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: and you're just like you know what you do, you

830
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: I promise, like I really am at that point. I

831
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: still see like I know how I felt about them

832
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, a few months ago. And

833
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: I say, I've said that before, like I was asked

834
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: that question since Chris Hannah Brown's season, Like it's the

835
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: same for them. I will always have rather than my

836
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: heart for them, like they are two very important people

837
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: to me that through two months we had an amazing,

838
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: amazing experience together in relationship. But I trust me, Like

839
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: I would that be weird obviously seeing them probably with

840
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: someone else, Yeah, I think so, But I really I

841
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: just want them to be happy and um just want

842
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: the best. I think it would be weird if it

843
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: depending on who it was, right, Like if you saw

844
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: them with another Batter Nation person, it would be like

845
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: whoa if it was yeah, it's one of the guys

846
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I think from like Hannah Brown season, it might be

847
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: a little bit stranger, But I can't right then, you'd

848
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: be pot kettle. Look look where you are right now.

849
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: You know exactly exactly. And I'm not trying to be

850
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: hypocrite at all. So um, okay, Madison, So where to

851
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: even start with this? I will preface this by saying

852
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: I was so pro Matt, you and Madison together until

853
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: you all had the second date and she spoke about

854
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: her faith. Totally fine, I'm a Christian as well. And

855
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: then I guess it was the next week where then

856
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: she told you she gave you the ultimatum call it

857
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: which you want, it's what it was, and but didn't

858
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: but then didn't tell you that she was saving herself

859
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: for marriage. Okay, So that's when things started to change

860
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: to me, because things don't make sense, and I think,

861
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: and my hope is to get some clarity here because

862
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: what you guys say, and by that I mean you

863
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: and Madison based on what she does or you do,

864
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: doesn't add up and doesn't make like. They don't match up.

865
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Your words don't match up with your actions, and I

866
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: think that's where I get confused. So then I have

867
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: to deduce, like logically, try to figure out Okay, well,

868
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: then this is what makes sense based on actions, right,

869
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: actions speak louder than words. So I'm trying, maybe Becca,

870
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: you go in, because I'm trying to figure out where

871
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: I want to start with this line of questioning to

872
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: try to understand your relationship with Madison. Well, and I

873
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: think this is a good point. You use the word ultimatum,

874
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Rachel and Peter. When she threw that out there, you said,

875
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, I agree to disagree with you. We haven't

876
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: had a conversation with you, and we haven't had one

877
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: with Madison yet. I think when that episode aired, I

878
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: believe that week we probably had to Chris Harrison or something,

879
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: and he obviously give his take, but it's not you

880
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: or Madison. And so you felt like it wasn't an ultimatum.

881
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: But what makes you say that? Just because if I

882
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: were to say that, and I feel like I would

883
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: just be a hypocrite because the very first night of

884
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: the entire you know, the show, that's opening night in

885
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: the Mansion. In my opening toast to all the women,

886
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: I asked them to please, whatever is on your heart,

887
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: always feel comfortable sharing that with me. Don't hold back,

888
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: whether it's good, bad, ugly. You think it's gonna hurt

889
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: my feelings, piss me off, or make me happy, or

890
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: you're feeling it for me. Please, I want this to

891
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: be an open connection where you can feel comfortable. And

892
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was later, way later on in the

893
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: whole journey there, but all that Madison was doing, she

894
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: wasn't telling me you have to do this or this.

895
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: She simply had something on her heart that she felt

896
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I should know. We were in a relationship, and in

897
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: my opinion, that's completely acceptable for someone to express how

898
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: they're feeling. And if I were to do something, it

899
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: would make it really difficult for them to continue and

900
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: they possibly have to reevaluate. She was never making a

901
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: you have to do this or that. She said, and

902
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: this is how I'm going to feel. I feel like

903
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: you should know this. It's important because we are dating.

904
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: If you do this, then this right, that's an ultimatum.

905
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: You can call it whatever you want. It doesn't mean

906
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: that she can't express it to you, like to express

907
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: how she's feeling, you know. And I don't want to

908
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: argue whether it is an ultimatum or it isn't. My

909
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: issue more so is did you feel a certain way

910
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: knowing that you know you and Madison have this relationship.

911
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: You constantly defended her with your family, saying you don't

912
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: know Madison like I do. So obviously you guys shared

913
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: a lot that we didn't get to see and we

914
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: didn't really see the development of your relationship. So did

915
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: it not bother you that she could be so upfront

916
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: about everything except that, No, that did And I asked her,

917
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, why she didn't express that stuff to me

918
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: earlier on why she waited so long? And I do

919
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: think that it would have probably made a difference in

920
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: possing my actions moving forward. I can't say for sure,

921
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: because I truly wanted to stay so present and I'm

922
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 1: intentional with each of the other two relationships going forward

923
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: into that week. But yeah, I question that, and her

924
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: response to me was and I can I can understand

925
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: it is the timing of our relationship started off with

926
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: the first date. We were the very first one on one.

927
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: Maybe not something you bring up on the very first

928
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: date when you okay, so it wasn't going to happen

929
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: there group dates during the daytime, it doesn't happen. You're

930
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: having a fun time doing something in the night portions

931
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: if you do see the person, because it's not always guaranteed,

932
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: it's a quick maybe ten minutes, it's not necessarily something

933
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: super super allowable to have like a really deep important conversation.

934
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: I agree past there the next date wasn't. The one

935
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: on one was in Peru and an amazing part of

936
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: the day, and then the night portion she did open

937
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: up a lot to me about stuff and her faith,

938
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: and she could have brought it up there. I could

939
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: have seen that was the one opportunity for her to

940
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: do it if she wanted to. I think I maybe,

941
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: And she told me, She's like, I wasn't expecting you

942
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: to kind of like have a conversation go that way.

943
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: When I expressed her that I was falling in love

944
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: with her, I think that might have thrown her off

945
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: a little bit in regardless of what she fully wanted

946
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: to get out. Maybe maybe not. And then it just

947
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: to be honest, it's like, you look for the times

948
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: where it could have been really appropriate because we don't

949
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: get time off camera for her to have told me it.

950
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: It was kind of difficult just how the timing worked out.

951
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: Do you think religion is a difficult conversation to discuss

952
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: with someone when you don't know what their belief is. Yeah, exactly,

953
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I do too. And when she had that second date

954
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: with you, I thought, Wow, good for her. You know,

955
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: she's like, this is what I believe, this is my

956
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: faith this is what I want out of a husband,

957
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: and to me, it was the golden opportunity to express

958
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: all of it. And that's why I'm very curious as

959
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: to what you thought about that, because I thought, well,

960
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: why would you hold that back? You have admitted that

961
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: it probably would have affected your decision moving forward. You

962
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: don't know for sure because hindsight we just don't know,

963
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: but it would have made you kind of go, huh, okay,

964
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: that's that's I wasn't expecting that, especially since you were

965
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: You said you wanted the women to be open from

966
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: night one, and you gave that speech to the women

967
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: that first night. You also were very honest with them.

968
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: You're a very open person, intimate, believe in having that

969
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: intimacy with your significant other, and you don't you don't

970
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: hold back from that. I mean, you're in front of

971
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: your family. So I think my question was when when

972
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: she said when she didn't tell you, but then, as

973
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: from the audience, we knew at that point that she

974
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: was saving herself for marriage. I just didn't think that

975
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: it was fair to go on this season with a

976
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: man who has expressed is sexual, has expressed that intimacy

977
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: is important to him, so It's not like you're going

978
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: on Sean Lowe's season, right, He's going on your season. Okay,

979
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: Peter sex at all in Bill four times, blah bla

980
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. It's just saying, that's how

981
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: you were, That's how you were build America. Get it. Yeah,

982
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: So she comes on your season knowing that she wants

983
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: to save yourself, knowing that you're this person. Did you

984
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: ever question yourself? Why would you come on my season

985
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm this way only to possibly eliminate yourself

986
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: for that reason? Definitely question? It brought up a lot

987
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: of questions to her in kind of reference to that,

988
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: and I think to kind of start with, um, you know,

989
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: I remember asking her, like, so, why did you because

990
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people saying, you know, you

991
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: you most likely knew Peter and like what he kind

992
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: of was about and the person he was and what

993
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: he was comfortable and what he wasn't a little with doing.

994
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: Why did you feel like that would be the right

995
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: person to go on the Bachelor for it? And you know,

996
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: she came back and she listen that just it is

997
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: annoying to her to hear because She's never been someone

998
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: that wanted to judge, Like I truly don't feel like

999
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: Madison is a judgemental person like at all. She can

1000
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: be very you know, prideful, and that's like a great

1001
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: quality too, but she it's not someone that I think

1002
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: is is a huge judger. And you know, she said

1003
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: she had Listen, I didn't want to just because of

1004
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: what your past was, like, I'm not going to judge

1005
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: you at all and that hold anything against you, like

1006
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: I if this was going to work for us, let's

1007
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: take from that point on moving forward of of you know,

1008
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: any possible judgment if you wanted to use. She had

1009
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, she actually had been someone that had been

1010
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: I guess nominated by like a family friend to come

1011
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: on the show. And it wasn't necessarily her at first,

1012
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: and she didn't know she wanted to do it, and

1013
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: she thought about it a lot and kind of let

1014
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: the process run and then until she had to actually

1015
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: make a decision if this is something she wanted to do,

1016
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: and then she was you know, from what she told me,

1017
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: it was something that she just decided like why not.

1018
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: You know, this this could be a you know, an

1019
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: amazing opportunity to go find someone. Why not? Well, work,

1020
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but why not? I think maybe

1021
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: a little bit of it, if I had to guess,

1022
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: was her in the beginning thinking I don't know if

1023
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: this is my person, but like, this could be a

1024
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: really cool opportunity. I'll be fair. But I do know

1025
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: that that quickly changed with her, and she quickly realized, No,

1026
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: this is someone that I really actually am feeling something for.

1027
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: And again, I don't think there's really anything wrong with that.

1028
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Because people that you want to say, oh, I came

1029
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: on just for you, and I knew I was in

1030
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: love with you from the beginning, I don't know if

1031
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: I buy so her honesty with that is something I appreciated. Yeah,

1032
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like defend her too much in

1033
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: all this. I'm just very curious. We haven't had an

1034
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to her. So I'm just curious as

1035
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: to what your thoughts were about that, because I totally

1036
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: agree with that you have no idea at the beginning

1037
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: how it's going to be, and then you slowly start

1038
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: to see yourself fall, which is usually in most cases,

1039
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: and but then my thought is still, okay, so why

1040
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: couldn't you be fully open about what is so important

1041
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: to you and what you so value. If you value

1042
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: it like that, why are you waiting until you know

1043
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: the thirteenth hour right to finally say something. I wish

1044
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: I get confused. I do wish you would have I

1045
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: and I think I think maybe the fear might have

1046
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: been she would have gone home and she didn't want

1047
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: to go home for whatever reason that may be. That's it's,

1048
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, if I tell him this, maybe I'll

1049
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: go home. Yeah, that's that's totally fair. Um, I she

1050
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone home, but I could totally see her

1051
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: in that moment. Yeah, having those thoughts. Do you think

1052
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: And this is something that we've talked about obviously without

1053
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: you and trying to say like the what if, so

1054
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: say you get you got to that fantasy suite week. Obviously,

1055
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: that week in itself was very different for your season

1056
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: because this was the one time all of the girls

1057
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: were still living together under the same roof during that

1058
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: very weird intimate week. Had it gone differently, and I

1059
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: know you don't necessarily have a say in the dates

1060
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: and who goes win, but had Medicine gone first, had

1061
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: you spent that first overnight with her, maybe just talking,

1062
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: maybe just getting to know one another, and went on

1063
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: after that with the other two women. Do you think

1064
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: anything would have panned out differently? Do you think she

1065
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: still would have had that moment where she potentially was like, look,

1066
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: I can't do this, I have to remove myself or

1067
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: do you think that would not have taken place had

1068
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: she gone first? Yeah, I know it would. It wouldn't

1069
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: or it would have changed things that she would have

1070
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: gone first, and I would have known that obviously, we

1071
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: would have probably most likely I discussed that in the

1072
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: fantasy suite. Even look now, knowing what I know, if

1073
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: I would have had a fantasy suit with her, you know,

1074
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have at the night with each other. We

1075
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: would have she would have been comfortable with talking with me,

1076
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, for a couple of hours. But that's something

1077
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: also that you know, she had mentioned me she is

1078
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: saving her marriage. Is just that kind of time just

1079
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: spent with you know, someone overnight, even with nothing physically happening. Um,

1080
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: something I can totally respect. But yeah, if I if

1081
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I would have had her first, I would had a

1082
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: little bit more knowledge about everything. And again, the hardest

1083
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: part for me was I always tried my best to

1084
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: be so intentional with each relationship and just get lost

1085
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: in that relationship. That's what I did from the day

1086
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: one till the very end. That's how I felt I

1087
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: could actually make this work for me. And but yeah,

1088
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: if you asked that question, yeah, I think it would

1089
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: have been different. But if so, if that were the case,

1090
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: then and you know you had Medicine's fantasy sweet night.

1091
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: First move on to the next two girls. I mean,

1092
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: because you yourself admitted when she asked you that night,

1093
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, like have you been intimate with these two

1094
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: other women? And you and I will say, I think

1095
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: you handled that situation. Yeah you did. Like kudos to

1096
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: you for how you approached it, because that's really really

1097
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: tough situation had like would would you have gone in

1098
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: and still been intimate with those girls because of you know,

1099
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: it's it's an important part to relationships, as you've said yourself,

1100
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: And so I don't under like, I can't imagine you

1101
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: not having the same reaction in moment and evening with

1102
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: the other two girls. Like for me, it's like, if

1103
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: you want it's going to be intentional, If you're going

1104
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: to be intentional and put yourself in every single relationship, right,

1105
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: and it's like you want to exhaust every relationship till

1106
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: you get to the end. If that's where it needs,

1107
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: if that's what you need to do to get there,

1108
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: to figure out each relationship and what is truly best

1109
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: for you at the end of this, you probably would

1110
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: have still had to do the same things. And so

1111
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: in my mind then it makes it tough to see

1112
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: like had she gone first, yes, maybe you would have

1113
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: gone into the next two nights and the next two

1114
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: dates with the other two women, knowing how she would

1115
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: have felt. But at the end of the day, like

1116
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: things still probably would have taken place to I think,

1117
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: like allow for her to still have that moment of

1118
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: being like, maybe I do need to remove myself. No,

1119
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, I can't say for sure

1120
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: what I would have done. I guess I'll take that back.

1121
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: I do. I believe it possibly could have changed things.

1122
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: It definitely, Listen would have given it a lot more

1123
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: gravity if I would have known that stuff before. And Listen, Peter,

1124
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: would you have pulled a Colton and just ended the

1125
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: season event like I'm all in with this one girl. No,

1126
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that, but I just again, it

1127
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: would have just given it a lot more gravity the

1128
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,959
Speaker 1: whole situation. And but then what you guys are saying,

1129
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: that's what I said as well, Like while I was,

1130
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, on this show, like I wanted to be intentional,

1131
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to get lost in that relationship and explore

1132
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: everything I needed to. I've always felt, and I still feel,

1133
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: like intimacy is a huge important part of relationship. I

1134
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: have different views, obviously than I see in regards to

1135
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: that and what I'm saving it for not saving it for.

1136
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: And that's totally fine that we have those different views.

1137
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: But for me, I guess, like you say, yeah, I say, swine, twine,

1138
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: We'll never know because I'll never be put in that

1139
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 1: situation again. She says that you're not compatible. She talks

1140
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: about you guys not being compatible. There's just too many differences.

1141
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: You just have two different lifestyles. Whether she realized that

1142
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: with you, with talking to your family, that was the

1143
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: conclusion that she came to, and so she felt it

1144
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: was best to self eliminate. I actually agreed with that decision.

1145
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: So then we see what happens move forward. You engaged

1146
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: to Hannah Anne, you break up with Hannah Anne, Then

1147
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: the moment you break up with Hannah, Anne, what is

1148
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: your thought? Is your thought I can go pursue Madison

1149
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: or you did you reach out to her? Tell the truth,

1150
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: because I've seen these rumors that apparently y'all have mutual

1151
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: friends and y'all were hanging out. So go ahead. Yeah, no,

1152
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: we So we do have a mutual friend that she

1153
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: had met on the first date, So one of my

1154
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: close friends from high school. She had met her on

1155
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: that first date of my parents dalarnual ceremony, and they

1156
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: had stayed close and connected. We would talk, you know,

1157
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: that mutual friend. I guess both of us obviously on

1158
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: our own and you know she did it. My friend

1159
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: did a good job of respecting each other's privacy and

1160
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: not like she wouldn't tell me anything that Madison was

1161
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: saying like she wouldn't. He was really respecting that. That's

1162
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: why I knew I could obviously trust her to do

1163
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: the same. Did I have like when the relationship ended

1164
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: it with Hannah, and did I have thoughts about possibly

1165
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: reaching out? I did, but I just feel like that

1166
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: that wasn't my place to do it. She had left me.

1167
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: I did not leave her, and if anything, like that

1168
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: was ever going to happen. It was like, I just

1169
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: didn't see how it'd be right for me to go

1170
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: reach out her, like she'd already said no to me once,

1171
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: and so that's why I didn't. So prior to breaking

1172
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: up with Hannah Anne, you you yourself had no contact

1173
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: with Madison up until that point, correct, And then afterwards

1174
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: then I guess I'm confused. And so we see Chris

1175
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Harrison go to Madison bring Madison back to you, and

1176
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: you didn't expect to see her. So did you have

1177
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: a conversation with Chris to be like, yeah, maybe go

1178
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: get hurt. Did you know any of this was going down?

1179
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: I knew none of that was going down. The only

1180
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: thing I knew about was one of the one of

1181
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: my producers, had just mentioned to me, like, hey, you

1182
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: see some pictures Madison was like a film crew right now.

1183
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: I guess they went to like in Auburn, in her hometown,

1184
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: and they couldn't tell me what it was about. And

1185
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of like they just wanted to give me

1186
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: heads up, Hey you might see some pictures, like don't

1187
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: like freak out. I was like, okay, but did you

1188
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: think she was going to be bachelorette. Did she think it? No,

1189
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: did you think that? I definitely thought there was a

1190
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: chance for that, and I guess that's where did I

1191
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: think possibly something could be going on in regards to

1192
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: like me, I did, but I didn't know for sure.

1193
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: So that's why when she did surprise me, I obviously

1194
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: was very shocked, and I expect to see her there.

1195
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: I was. I was told I was gonna talk to

1196
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Chris that dad, and so like they just had me

1197
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: doing some b roll looking around and and then I

1198
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: hear the heels come in and like that. But and

1199
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: then that's my soul Madison. Yeah, that interaction was weird.

1200
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I'll just be honest, y'all. Didn't I knew you were

1201
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: caught off guard. I could tell you were surprised. Yeah,

1202
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 1: but she knew she was coming to see you, right,

1203
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: and it was just off like she didn't seem that excited.

1204
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean, she we had just seen her say that

1205
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: she still loves you, right, obviously you still loved her.

1206
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: You didn't express it then, but we learned it. I

1207
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: just and you, being the person that you are, just

1208
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: just very passionate, y'all just seem like, okay, here we are.

1209
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: It just didn't seem it was kind of underwhelming. M Yeah,

1210
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: what what what was that? I agree? And because I

1211
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: even I think even to on stage at Afar people,

1212
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: I've heard comments like they just the chemistry didn't really

1213
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: seem there at all. Oh yeah, it was not Okay,

1214
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't you're you're right, You're totally right. I don't

1215
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: know if it was just nerves it was it was

1216
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: just being you know, uncomfortable. Um, I don't know what

1217
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: it was that you guys bring up a really valid point. Yeah,

1218
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: it seemed a little odd. I agree. Do you think

1219
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: it had something to do with and Rachel and I

1220
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: think talked about this on the same podcast that we

1221
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: had Hannah Ann on. So basically, I think my like

1222
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: as a viewer, I felt like I was lacking in

1223
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: that entire ending scenario because basically Madison had removed herself

1224
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: because she felt like, you guys weren't compatible, your lifestyles

1225
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: didn't maybe line up, and she just couldn't see it

1226
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: working in the long run. So she then removes herself

1227
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: at the end, only to then come back after talking

1228
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: with Chris, and you know, she told Chris like, I

1229
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: love Peter, who knows where this could go. Let's see.

1230
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: So she then comes to surprise you in La. But really,

1231
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: like what was going through my mind that entire time

1232
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: was that, like nothing's changed up until that point, Like

1233
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: guess maybe she still loves you, know, has those feelings,

1234
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: but if ultimately she felt like the lifestyles weren't going

1235
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: to be compatible, like that's still the case, Like nothing

1236
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 1: is any different besides here saying like, oh, Peter ended

1237
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: his engagement with Hannah Anne. So I feel like if

1238
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: I were to be you or her and this is

1239
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: just me being me and how I would react, I

1240
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: would like I probably wouldn't have gone out to La

1241
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: because I would have still been like, Okay, yeah, you

1242
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: can love somebody, but at the end of the day,

1243
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: some relationships just don't work out because you aren't compatible.

1244
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: And so for me watching it, I was like, what

1245
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: is going on? Because she was very like adamant about

1246
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: one thing and that thing is still present, but now

1247
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: she's doing something to try and see if it could

1248
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: maybe work. It just it didn't line up, and maybe

1249
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: that's what was causing the tension and why it seemed off.

1250
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: And before you answer to piggyback on what Becca saying,

1251
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: is she eliminates herself because you had been intimate during

1252
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: the same week with another woman, and then you propose

1253
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: to a woman you obviously are intimate with her. You've

1254
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: commits possibly spending the rest of your life with this person,

1255
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: which is even more than just you know, being intimate

1256
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: with women during fantasy week. And she can come back

1257
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: after that, but not come back but not deal with

1258
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: what she dealt with when the season was going on. Yeah,

1259
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: those are two good points, and I think real quick

1260
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: on the second one. I think that probably was a

1261
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: reason that it seemed very uncomfortable and from her obviously

1262
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: for me, I was probably picking up on that body

1263
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: language and just the vibe. But I do know that,

1264
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: like you know, stuff that didn't make it, that didn't air,

1265
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: We had more of a conversation than aired. You know,

1266
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: she did feel, you know, like a little bit uncomfortable

1267
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: in regards to me, just it was tough for her

1268
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: to take the fact that I had been engaged. That

1269
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: was hard for her. Swell and obviously coming out and

1270
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: making an effort to come and post to see if

1271
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: there's still something here with me was uncomfortable for her

1272
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: because she didn't want to be stepping on Hannah Anne's toes,

1273
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: and I remember her being like very thoughtful of that

1274
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: and kept like just wanting to make sure that she

1275
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: if we were going to do this, it'd be like

1276
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: done the right way. So I think I get it.

1277
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: Like it it seems a little odd. Why could she

1278
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: be not okay with Fantasy Suit Week but coming after,

1279
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, an engagement just ended. I definitely think she

1280
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: was uncomfortable about that. But was she? Did you ask

1281
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: her that question? Yeah? And she told me that, Like

1282
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: she straight up told me, like in our conversation that

1283
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: she she didn't know the best way to go about this.

1284
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: Um she had obviously when she had gone back home,

1285
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: she had started really processing everything that had just happened,

1286
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: and you know, she realized that her feelings for me

1287
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: weren't going away. She like really struggled that for a while,

1288
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: and kind of to what you were saying, Beccau, Yeah, ultimately, listen,

1289
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: did our differences and lack of compatibility be the reason

1290
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: that we stop things? Yes, But she admitted to me

1291
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: that she thought, like her exact words were, and obviously

1292
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: like I'm very different than you know, possibly her dad

1293
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: or whatnot. But and all the respect in the world

1294
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: for her dad, but she told me, she's like, I

1295
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: kept thinking that I wanted someone just like my dad,

1296
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how like I just grew up

1297
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: and people that I've dated, and then after reflect and

1298
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: everything in the months that ensued, she said that she

1299
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: realized that she doesn't need anyone like her dad because

1300
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: she's just like her dad. And the fact that I am,

1301
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, different in a lot of ways actually were

1302
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: qualities that she realized why she fell for me. And

1303
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, she admitted that, m And so that's I

1304
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: think why you know, she elected to kind of like

1305
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: restart this and give this, you know, hopefully another chance

1306
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: with us again. Ultimately, when we really just had an honest,

1307
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: honest conversation with each other the two days after Afar,

1308
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: and it was just me and her, and we said, listen,

1309
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: let's completely remove our heart, our feelings from this conversation

1310
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: and only speak logically about if this is possible, can

1311
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: this work? And it was it was no, And yeah,

1312
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: go ahead, Peter, I'm sorry. No, But like I mean,

1313
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: I just I think that what you saw there was

1314
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: was was two people that obviously had strong feelings for

1315
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: each other. And yeah, there was a reason issue why

1316
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: we ended, but weren't really ready to completely give up

1317
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: on those feelings. And again from what she realized, like

1318
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, she said she had dated a lot of

1319
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: other guys that were different from me, that were like

1320
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: what she thought she wanted, they weren't working out for

1321
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: a certain reason, and so this is something that she realized,

1322
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, before she came out. Yeah, I mean it

1323
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: gets it makes sense to me. It's just what doesn't

1324
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: make sense is okay, So you'll have that talk, glad.

1325
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: That was one of my questions. So glad to know

1326
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: after we saw you guys meet for the first time

1327
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: since the breakup, you guys had a full out conversation

1328
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: and everything. That's great. So I would imagine that you

1329
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: continue to talk from then up until the finale, which

1330
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: is kind of why the message you kept giving them,

1331
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: like Becca and I and other outlets is we don't

1332
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: know how this is going to end. We don't know

1333
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: how this is going to end. So I'm curious as

1334
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: to what was the game plan coming into the finale,

1335
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: Like what was it supposed to be? How were you

1336
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: guys supposed to because I think the most shocking thing

1337
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: is two days later, y'all are done. It's like, what

1338
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: the hell was all that? Or you stood up to

1339
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: your family, you know, you profess your love for each

1340
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: other and how difficult you know what's going to be,

1341
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,479
Speaker 1: and you're gonna work at it. Only for two days later,

1342
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: you guys ended, Which is why I think a lot

1343
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: of people thought it was staged. I'll yeah that, and

1344
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: it was not. Yeah, I got that, I've heard that,

1345
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: but it was not stage. I can promise you guys

1346
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: that We we didn't see each other until this on

1347
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: stage Life finale. We did talk. Obviously, we faced time

1348
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: a lot, and we just had a lot of those

1349
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, talks that we needed to have that I

1350
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: wish you would have had way sooner than we could

1351
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: have had in the Fantasy suite, you know, with time

1352
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: off camera, you know, it's kind of crazy. But really

1353
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: the main the first time that her and I ever

1354
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: spent time alone off camera was when after the show ended,

1355
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: and that was just like crazy for like such a

1356
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: serious relationship for that to have been the first time.

1357
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: But we really didn't know what we were going to do,

1358
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: and we knew that, like obviously there were still feelings there,

1359
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: but going into the finale, we really didn't know what

1360
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, and I don't like looking back on it,

1361
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm confused as why we didn't, like I didn't see

1362
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: each other before. Um, it was an option, and like

1363
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: I I wanted to do it, and you know, I

1364
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: remember her saying stuff like, well, maybe you should just

1365
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: like make this like really authentic on stage and like

1366
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: not like have that be the first time and and

1367
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: I saw I saw some of that like validity and um,

1368
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: but I remember, like before I saw Listen, I remember

1369
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: there too. Before I was like, I think I need

1370
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: to see her. I need to see her. And at

1371
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: that time, oh yeah, heater for somebody. I becka, back

1372
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: me up on this. When you love somebody and you

1373
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: have those happy couple weekends or you haven't seen anybody,

1374
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: you are itching there is like you are dying to

1375
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: see that person inside and the and I get you

1376
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: saying I wanted to see her. I wanted to see her,

1377
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: and to hear that she was like, maybe we should

1378
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: wait because it's more authentic on stage. Are you putting

1379
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: on a show or are you trying to get to

1380
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: know each other. That's where I have the conflict and

1381
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: you guys had already had so much lost time, and

1382
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: there was so much time that need to be made up,

1383
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: I think, to make to really solidified the relationship. And

1384
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: so if I was the two of you, I would

1385
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: have like from the moment she had flown out to

1386
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: La to try to rekindle things with you, that entire time,

1387
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: I would have been like, look, we need to be together.

1388
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: We need to see if we can make this work.

1389
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: We need to make up for all of the lost

1390
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: time there needed, like I think, for a relationship and

1391
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: for like you want to be with someone, as Rachel said,

1392
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: you want to spend those eppy couple moments together. And

1393
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: so to me, like I wouldn't have reacted that same

1394
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: way I would. I would not. I would have been

1395
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: so terrified to get on stage and have there be

1396
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: so many unknowns like I would have won. That's why

1397
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: it was awkward. I would not have you by my side, Peter,

1398
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: to really back each other up, to support one another,

1399
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: to feel super solid in that. And so I mean,

1400
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: and if you had that unity to do it, and

1401
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: it wasn't, it wasn't all her, I like I agreed

1402
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: to it too, Like I it wasn't just her all

1403
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: this happened. I don't you agreed. I just think the

1404
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: common thing theme that a lot of people saw is

1405
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: it looked like you were giving one hundred percent and

1406
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: one hundred percent wasn't being given back to you. That's

1407
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: just kind of how it comes off to an audience.

1408
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: So I'm very curious as we know how your family

1409
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: felt about Madison. Yeah, we saw it all play out.

1410
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't really want to get in all that, but

1411
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: I have to ask why did your family feel a

1412
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: certain way about Madison? And I mean like not just

1413
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: a feeling like it was. It was like a steadfast

1414
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: thing and it went from father, mother, brother, you know,

1415
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: let your mom tell it, friends as well. So why

1416
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: were there feelings so strong against Madison? I think all

1417
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: of that stuff really did start in Australia when they

1418
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: when they were out there and it was like the

1419
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: family visits and the you know, Hannah Anna gone first

1420
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: and that went she just knocked it out of the park.

1421
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: My family fell in love with her immediately, obviously I

1422
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: knew why, and which just was such a great day

1423
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: and the second day comes to Madison and just boom

1424
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: is granted this is all my doing. That got her

1425
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: in this headspace, and I can I can take that responsibility.

1426
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: But she was not in a good headspace at all.

1427
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: And like the talks about you know, being outside the

1428
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: house for three hours waiting, having my parents wait was

1429
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: one hundred percent try that was that was the case.

1430
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: And I was essentially trying to like convince her why.

1431
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: I felt like we needed it, like at least put

1432
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: this stuff behind us and talk to my family. You know,

1433
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: they had just flown halfway around the world. If we

1434
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: go in and if I go in and say, listen,

1435
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: Madison just can't talk right now, like that's just not

1436
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: going to be a good look. So she didn't want

1437
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: to talk to your family. She didn't. Yeah, she didn't

1438
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: feel like she was in the right headspace to be

1439
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: able to go do that, okay, And so I, you know,

1440
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: I understood why she was still in the way she did.

1441
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: I knew we had to work on our own stuff,

1442
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: but that's just the way the show goes and the schedule,

1443
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,520
Speaker 1: and like that was the one day we had allocated

1444
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: to go spend time with my family, and so I

1445
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: did my best to try to convince her why. You know,

1446
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: she finally, you know, realized Okay, you know she was

1447
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: gonna do it for me, and and then we went

1448
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: inside and obviously just off it was off to a

1449
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: bad start. You know, we my family obviously was you know,

1450
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: obviously annoyed. I think anyone would be like waiting three

1451
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: hours just doing nothing to have that conversation. It just

1452
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: got off to a bad start. Just immediately. You could

1453
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: feel the vibe was not the same with Hannah Anne.

1454
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: And you know they had, I guess known a little

1455
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: bit now about the differences that we had had I

1456
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: expressed to them, you know, the day prior about when

1457
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: I was talking about both women that you know, there

1458
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: had been some issues that Maddie and I were going

1459
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: through because of what had happened with the Fantasy Sweet Week,

1460
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: and so they had already seen, like started to see

1461
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: these differences. And they just being my family, and the

1462
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: one on one conversations I had with each of them,

1463
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: like we're just like, they didn't see this working. They

1464
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: just didn't see it working. And they saw that yes,

1465
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: she was an amazing girl, but the two of us

1466
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: were just too different, and they were just looking out

1467
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: for me, and you know, you see that passion kind

1468
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: of come out on stage and everything. And I think

1469
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: I do think as much as I can, you know,

1470
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: defend Maddie and everything, and I do think that she

1471
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: could have coming out on stage apologize, you know, really

1472
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: quick apology to to my parents about the last time

1473
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: she had seen him and what had gone down. I

1474
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: think that would have gone a long way, and I

1475
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: really really do, um you know, unfortunately that did happen.

1476
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. And that's kind of why that's

1477
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: really because that's the only time my parents saw Maddie

1478
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: like that was really where that passion and that just

1479
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: like them being just like, this is not going to work, Bud,

1480
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: you gotta like you gotta understand that that's where that

1481
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,560
Speaker 1: came from. Peter. So your mom said this during the finale,

1482
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: but she said that day after, you know, waiting a

1483
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: couple of hours and finally sitting down with Maddie, that

1484
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: she asked her flat out, like do you love my son?

1485
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: And she had said no. And that's what you So

1486
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: when your mom had told you that, and maybe and

1487
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: I think she had said that she your brother had

1488
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: asked Madison the same thing and Madison had said the

1489
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: same answer. So when you knew that what was going

1490
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: through your your brain and knowing like, Okay, you know

1491
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: she's still here, but she's been on the fence about

1492
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: sticking around her leaving, and now she's admitting that she's

1493
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: not in love with me to my family, Like, what

1494
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: was going through your brain? I was so confused because

1495
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: literally an hour before outside she said she did love me.

1496
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: That was the first time she told me. I remember

1497
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: like being ridiculous because I was like, it's all I've

1498
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: been wanting to hear the entire time. And then like

1499
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: I just we were having a very serious conversation and

1500
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: like I just completely lost all seriousness because I was

1501
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of happy and giddy. So she just told me

1502
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: that outside, and that's why my mom told me that.

1503
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: I was just very very confused and shocked because I'm like,

1504
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: what she just told me she did? And then but

1505
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: that's that's another thing. That's that's another thing of why

1506
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: my mom was, you know, very passionate about what she

1507
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: was saying. Was you hear she has Hannah Anne, Her

1508
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: and her hit it off like no other. Hannah's expressing

1509
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: how she does feel about me and she can totally

1510
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: see this with me, and then it's a literally complete opposite,

1511
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, with Maddie, and you know her saying that

1512
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: she didn't love me and that she couldn't see an

1513
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: engagement in the next couple of days. That part, I

1514
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: will say, I get why Maddie couldn't see an engagement

1515
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: after how strongly she felt about fantasy like intimacy. I

1516
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: get that. A couple days later, that's not ideally how

1517
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: you want to be proposed to knowing what happened a

1518
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: couple I get that, But I do know that like

1519
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: that went a long way with my mom to like

1520
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: not be the biggest fan of that relationship. When when

1521
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: Maddie told her that, well, then I guess where's the disconnect?

1522
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Like why did she just tell you that? And then

1523
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: she said no to your family? Did you ever ask

1524
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: her about that? Yeah? And I think I don't know.

1525
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: I think it's like semantic, all right. It was just

1526
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: like she I guess the way my mom had asked

1527
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: it was like, are you madly head over heels in

1528
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: love with my son or something like that, And I

1529
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: guess that made Maddie say no. I don't know. It

1530
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: was just a confusing day. I don't Yeah, it's it

1531
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: sounds very confusing. And it sounds like you're better off.

1532
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to see anybody fail. Yeah, but it

1533
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: sounds like you guys are better separate than together. Yeah,

1534
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: if you could, because I know that we were supposed

1535
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: to talk to you after the finale, and obviously nobody

1536
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: saw it going the way that it did. And Becca

1537
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: and I totally respected the fact that this is personal

1538
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: at this point and it's not about doing a podcast, Like,

1539
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: we care about you and we want you to be

1540
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: okay at the end of the day. So I don't

1541
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: want to get into the details of your conversation with Madison,

1542
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: but after you got off stage, and obviously there was

1543
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: some you know, you guys were upset and emotional. Did

1544
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: you know that it was over at that point? No,

1545
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 1: So we got off stage, I remember we were both

1546
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: in a bad headspace, just like down We walked up

1547
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: to like the changing room areas where we were waiting

1548
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: before it, just her and I. We had a quick

1549
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: moment just with each other. We just hugged each other

1550
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: and just kind of like we're supporting each other. Then

1551
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: we decided to talk to some producers. Um, at that point,

1552
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't from my side, I didn't think that it

1553
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: was it was over, over or anything. U. We then separated.

1554
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 1: I went back to my hotel, She went back to

1555
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: her hotel, called her parents for a little bit, then

1556
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 1: came back to my hotel. We spent a couple of

1557
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: hours and just you know, we're there for each other.

1558
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: Didn't really have a serious conversation about figuring this out,

1559
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: but just wanted to be there for each other and

1560
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: spend time. Fast forward to the next day. I didn't

1561
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: see her mom had flown out, and spent the day

1562
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: with her. The next day, the second day is when

1563
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: I went over to her hotel and we spent just

1564
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: like you know, six hours probably just talking. And that

1565
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: was when they had that sentiment going into the conversation

1566
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: that this is this is it, this is not this

1567
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: is unfortunately as sad as it is, like it's not

1568
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: going to work as much as like maybe we might

1569
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: want it to have worked. And that was the day

1570
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: where we both I think knew that it was it

1571
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,520
Speaker 1: was over. So you guys agree to do an Instagram

1572
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: post to kind of announce the same time And then

1573
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: what did you do after that? Did you go home? Yes? Um?

1574
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: So that day was when I left her hotel. Um

1575
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: I went straight home, and I was the first time

1576
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: I saw my family and m first just you know,

1577
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: went in, gave him a hug and just like told

1578
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: him I loved him and everything and um, and then

1579
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: expressed him what had just happened with with Mattie and

1580
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,520
Speaker 1: I and what we had decided to do and um,

1581
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: you know kind of began that whole healing process with

1582
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: my family and everything and just sticking together. But yeah,

1583
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: that was the first day I went home. And then

1584
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: she went to go play board games with Selena Gomez.

1585
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: So I know, I didn't know that actually until the

1586
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: TMZ guys told me that. But um was that who

1587
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: Toulture I went from? I know, Jesus um I had

1588
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: found out. So she had told me that night that

1589
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: she was going to go spend some time with one

1590
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 1: of her friends, one of her good girlfriends that was

1591
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: living in la Um. Talking to Maddie later after because

1592
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: we had text here and there after was she told

1593
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: me like listen, I know how I guess how that

1594
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: could look. But like she did go over to her

1595
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: friend's place and her friend just ended up being really

1596
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: good friends with Selena, and I guess Selena said something

1597
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: about you know, hey, we're like going to my grandmother's

1598
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: house play board games, like come over here and something.

1599
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: They went over there. That's what I heard you. I

1600
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: believe it. I believe it. So have you and Maddie

1601
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: staying content contact since all of that? Or is it

1602
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: pretty much you know you've shut the door. You guys

1603
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: have both moved on. Yeah, we talked. We text for

1604
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: a little bit after, and you know, it was sad.

1605
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: You know, there was obviously like you know, missing each

1606
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: other kind of stuff like that and whatnot. And um,

1607
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: you know I remember she'd like send me like a

1608
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: video and it's just like it was. It was tough,

1609
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: but we we we both knew it was over. And

1610
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: then um kind of just all ended. Yeah, like we

1611
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: all right center one thing and like I never really

1612
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: heard any came back and like okay, yeah, like this

1613
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: is I gotta stop doing this. And then um, and

1614
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: then the little Kelly stuff happened, and you know, I

1615
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: came out here to be here for her, and yeah,

1616
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: I had sound like a text to Madison just kind

1617
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: of explaining everything so she could hear it from me,

1618
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: and she was like really you know brigg and rock

1619
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: Star and under you know, wasn't like trying to be

1620
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: even bigtive it or anything that I didn't think it

1621
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: was like, wasn't trying to be mean about it. Um,

1622
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: and just like kind of like told me that, so

1623
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: like like I appreciated that, and uh, yeah, then I

1624
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: haven't talked to her since. So, Becca, I don't know

1625
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: if I've ever asked you this question before or I've

1626
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: even said this, but so, Peter, I'm directing this to you,

1627
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 1: and Becca, you can answer too. I in Fantasy Suite,

1628
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: I asked all of my guys if I didn't choose them,

1629
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: would they be the bachelor? Like I wanted to. It

1630
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: wasn't really a trick question. It was just more of

1631
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how you would respond to this.

1632
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: And so Beca, did you ask your guys? Well? So,

1633
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: when I had fantasy suits, I only had two because

1634
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: I had sent Jason home prior to spending the night

1635
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: with him. Um, so I had Garrett and Blake. Had

1636
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: I gone a different route and ended up with Blake, Hell, no,

1637
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: would Garrett have been the Bachelor? There's no way. No.

1638
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: Garret wouldn't have done he would, you know? And well

1639
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: and I do know. I mean Blake was in talks

1640
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: to potentially be the Bachelor um along with some of

1641
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: the other guys when Colton season happened. So, um, I'm

1642
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: sure he would have said. Yes. I never asked him that,

1643
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: but yeah, I know Garrett would have. You paid Garrett

1644
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: one million dollars and he would have not been the Bachelor.

1645
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: I think Brian would have would have done it. Um.

1646
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: So I'm going somewhere with this. I'm asking you, Peter, Yeah,

1647
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: do you think that because we kind of touched on this,

1648
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: but we didn't go into this when you were told

1649
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: that the cameras were at Madison's UM and I said, oh,

1650
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 1: did you think that she was going to be asked

1651
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: to be the bacherette? Do you think that if she

1652
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: was asked she would have done it? No? I don't.

1653
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: What about Hannah Anne Um? Yeah, okay, what about Kelly Um? No, Kelly,

1654
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: no one. So why do you think Hannah Anne would

1655
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: have and not the other two? Well? I guess so,

1656
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: I to be fair, I didn't actually ask them. So

1657
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: like my final three of this, and I never I

1658
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: never asked Hannah Anne. Um. It came up and talks

1659
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: to Madison and I and I tell you no, because

1660
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: she told me she would have said no, like that

1661
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: wasn't something she would have done. Um, but I guess

1662
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: with Hannah Anne, I mean because it's it's not there's

1663
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: there's nothing negative about that. Like I if you would

1664
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: if I would be talking to two former bacherettes here, yeah,

1665
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: in your final three, like if someone or my you know,

1666
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: Hannah Brown would ask you like, I would have been like,

1667
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: if you don't pick me, this is really weird question.

1668
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: But of course, like obviously it's working for me right now,

1669
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: so I know that it could work. If you broke

1670
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: my show now and it's not gonna work, why wouldn't

1671
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: I want to? Um, So it's nothing negative, but I think, yeah,

1672
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: Hannah and you know would have would have what are you?

1673
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? Kind of sneak behind me?

1674
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: Is that Kelly? Yeah, she's trying to crawl on the

1675
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: floor behind me. Kelly, we heard you were Oh she

1676
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: didn't hear us because he's got headphones on. Binger on,

1677
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: come on it, come on it, say hi, can you

1678
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: hear us sneak around? Kelly's being bashful? Wait, we actually

1679
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: called to talk to you and I Peter just happened

1680
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: to pick up. I was just hogging the zoom screen.

1681
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: nowI Hi, Kelly, No, that's the question. We were just

1682
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: asking him. Listen. I think got a little too awkward

1683
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: on this show. No, you're not awkward. You just I think, yeah, spoken,

1684
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think you would have Kelly. You

1685
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: would have good because you would have kept the men

1686
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: in their place. True, you just get it. Becca and

1687
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: I are also two Batcheloris who didn't have a lot

1688
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: of drama in our season because we were kind of like,

1689
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 1: we're here to do something and it's like it is

1690
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: what it is. So you probably would have been like that.

1691
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: Like it's changed a little bit, like in the past

1692
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: couple of years, it's more drama focused. So do they

1693
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: hold on to that? Did they reverse it and go

1694
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: back to what you guys had say, she's already she's

1695
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: asking the wrong this. Yeah, she couldn't do it. Are

1696
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: you do? You still have to work right now? Um?

1697
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: I should be working more than I am, but there's

1698
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: little things that I still have to do. Yeah. I

1699
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: just didn't know. I mean, I don't practice anymore, so

1700
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, what's what's going on in the legal world?

1701
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: Or people. Still, I did finish my cls this month,

1702
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: so I was so proud of myself for finishing. Remember. Yeah, hey,

1703
01:23:55,120 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: hey Rachel, may it please the court. I'm so proud

1704
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: out of you. I'm so proud of you. Look at

1705
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: you two steps away from a courtroom. No, we've just

1706
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: been having fun asking Peter questions about and Kelly, you're

1707
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: somebody we wanted to talk to on the show. I

1708
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: feel like we've hot We've No. No, I'm not gonna

1709
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: hog your time because we've been talking to Peter. I

1710
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: feel like for an hour and a half. At this point,

1711
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm in my closet. So Specca, we have nothing else

1712
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: to do, so the dance parties with the DJs on

1713
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: the team. Okay, well, here's a question. Why were you

1714
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: at women till all? I honestly don't know. No, No,

1715
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: not at women? Sorry, why were you am? I really

1716
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's just from the only The

1717
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: only thing that I got was Chris Harrison doing an

1718
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: interview saying that they wanted to throw people off because

1719
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,480
Speaker 1: they thought I was pregnant with Peter's child or something like, Yeah,

1720
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: was that a rumor? Practice? Yeah, people call up with

1721
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: the weirdest crap you guys. I swear well, Kelly, when

1722
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: when rached I saw you because we were there. We

1723
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: were just watching backstage. We weren't allowed out there, which

1724
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: we really wanted to, but when we saw you, were like,

1725
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: let us go sit with Kelly and Barr. Why are

1726
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: you guys keeping her back here? You were sitting next

1727
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: to my friend Kelly, my two guests on the show.

1728
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: The guy, it was a couple that was sitting next

1729
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: to you. Yea, yeah. So like they're big Bachelor fans.

1730
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: They do like he does ESPN stuff and he's like,

1731
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: I was like, we were sitting next to Kelly. I

1732
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 1: was like, well, you're welcome. I didn't even plan it

1733
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: that way, but you're welcome. That's so funny. And the

1734
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: first time I ever saw her there, it was there

1735
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: in the first commercial break and then Chris is like, hey,

1736
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: so I just did a little shift that out to Kelly.

1737
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: She's up there, and I looked at it. Kelly just waving,

1738
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: like what were y'all communication at that point? Like were

1739
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 1: y'all like cool? Y'all hadn't okay? I like people think

1740
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: everything happened like before. I didn't get her number until

1741
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: so I was talking about Christian that night, like nothing before. Well,

1742
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: in all fairness, you don't really need numbers these days,

1743
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to communicate. So, Kelly, I'll ask

1744
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: you this question because we asked Peter when we know

1745
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: that you guys have been quarantined before those infamous TMZ

1746
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: photos when you decided to say, you know what, we're

1747
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Riverwalk where y'all just like fuck it,

1748
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna go who cares who sees? No, not the

1749
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: social distancing, I mean like being out in public. Oh No,

1750
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: to be completely honest, I think we're pretty naive. And

1751
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: in that aspect um, you know, I was wearing like

1752
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: two hoods. He was wearing sunglasses and a hat, and

1753
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: I guess that just doesn't really work well with Clay

1754
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: and dust In two. I mean like stick out like sort.

1755
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy? They're real quick. This is insane. Um.

1756
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: So Katrina, who lives in Chicago as well, she sent

1757
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: a picture to Kelly, this is insane like those Katrina

1758
01:26:52,080 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: Katrina night one with the pussycat. Oh, let's I don't

1759
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: start knowing name. Still halfway through she had taken a

1760
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: picture like a selfie sitting on the riverwalk. This is crazy,

1761
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: and then in the background it's the three was the

1762
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: three of us with Dustin as well. You could tell

1763
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,759
Speaker 1: what we were wearing if you compare to other pictures

1764
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: and we're like, this is insane. You can't go the

1765
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: leek one who I thought looked like me and a

1766
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: Dobrev Right, who's that? I thought she looked like some actress.

1767
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: I think that was her? Okay, she was she was

1768
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: at woman tell all? Okay, yeah, how was that? Woman's all?

1769
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: Definitely I'm sorry. I would say, well, we'll see her

1770
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: on Paradise, but who knows if Paradise is even moving forward? Yeah? Well, okay,

1771
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, because Kelly Peter's being very

1772
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: quoit about where your relationship stands these days. If Paradise

1773
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: happens and you get asked, would you go, yeah, I don't.

1774
01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm made for these shows. Inspect it.

1775
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: They're amazing. It was an experience, but I don't know.

1776
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of the future I have

1777
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,879
Speaker 1: with them. Well, what about friends? Because like I remember,

1778
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: coming on, I was like, I'm gonna stick to myself.

1779
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest one in the house. I'm just going

1780
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: to read my books, go on these dates, do my thing.

1781
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: And I was pleasantly surprised that I had friends on

1782
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: the show and that I know we'll be friends forever.

1783
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: Was that the same experience you had? And if so,

1784
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 1: who are you close to? Yeah? Um, coming off the show.

1785
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: It's funny because when you're on the show and off

1786
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: the show, you you gravitate towards other people. But yeah,

1787
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: I talked to like McKenna and Kelsey every day, Um

1788
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: and throughout throughout the whole you know, of it airing back,

1789
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: you kind of just gravitate towards what episode is going

1790
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: on and who you're with on that group date or

1791
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: what happened there you know. Um, but I'm friends with

1792
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: with all the girls. I don't have any beef with

1793
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: any of them. Um, But yeah, Kelsey and McKenna are

1794
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: the ones that day keeping intact with a lot. Well,

1795
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: my forever favorite moment of you will be laying back

1796
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: on that bench with that foot up twirl. Like I said,

1797
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: Kelly is an entire mood. That is me. I was, like,

1798
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I have Kelly, Kelly is me. I tell him all

1799
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: the time, like I've listened to y'all's podcasts, and the

1800
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: way that you think is very similar to mine, Like

1801
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: everything you usually say. I was likes fun Ons fun On, Like,

1802
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, And I keep telling

1803
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: him that I was, like just the way that she

1804
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: thinks like is incredible, Like I'm so, I'm literally jealous

1805
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: because you can tell you're you're super intelligent with everything

1806
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: you say. And we thank you fun On for I

1807
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: don't know everything. It's you know, you know, law school

1808
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: is like it teaches you a certain way to think

1809
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: more than anything else. But it's nice to hear it's

1810
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: appreciated because it's not appreciated by most. I always say

1811
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: our podcast is a logical like it's not for the

1812
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: hopeless romantics. You know. We're here to just like have

1813
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: a discussion and to talk things out, and not everybody

1814
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 1: wants to hear that. And there are other podcasts you

1815
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: can go to for that. Kelly, I will say you

1816
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 1: watching you and Rache and I have loved you the

1817
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: entire season. You were one of our favorites because you're

1818
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: just a breath of fresh air. Because you are logical,

1819
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: you are intelligent, you speak your mind, You are very articulate.

1820
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 1: But Rachel, I'm gonna disagree, and I'm gonna say the

1821
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: best moment of Kelly on the season was when you

1822
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: were the aboila yea, yes, that moment You're right, You're right, Becca,

1823
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 1: that was I knew I liked you before, but watching

1824
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: you was the aboila. I was like, God, she's good.

1825
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 1: And then when and when she and then when she

1826
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: like changed the script up though, because like that she

1827
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 1: wasn't the script and it was just like, pought me

1828
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 1: off guard. While we're filming O, I'm like, what was like,

1829
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: let's go, oh Quarantine? Can you like play act and

1830
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: do another telenovela together? That's what you should do. Believe. Yeah,

1831
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: we didn't give them the TikTok. We don't have when

1832
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: it takes that TikTok. But can get listen? I am

1833
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: an anti TikTok person, Becca, just one. I can't get it.

1834
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: I would I would be worse than you, So kudos

1835
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: to you for doing it. I can't. Kelly, have you

1836
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: been on any of the other podcasts? Did you do

1837
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: Nick or Caitlin's or are we the first? No? She

1838
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: she was with Caitlin and m Ben Okay can you

1839
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: tell Can you guys, tell us like one thing that

1840
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: you didn't tell them, like some juicy detail, some juicy

1841
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 1: d give us, Like, give us something good that we

1842
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: can run with here, an exclusive, an exclusive? Kind of boring, Kelly,

1843
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 1: have you seen Peter in the shower during this quarantine?

1844
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Is Peter better in real life or on the show? Oh?

1845
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: My god, in real life better? I like to pick

1846
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: up for him. I was like, some parts of him

1847
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: that you saw were like necessarily him. But I even

1848
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: used to stay on the show. I was like, there's

1849
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: Peter Webber and then there's Bachelor the Peter or the

1850
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Bachelor Peter, and you know they're big. You stop saying that.

1851
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,839
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, true, I met him outside

1852
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: of this and he's so much cooler than he is. Peter,

1853
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: you are cooler than what we did see on the show.

1854
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: I guess I'd rather have it that way than vice versus.

1855
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: So thank you. No, absolutely, So you feel like if

1856
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you met Peter, well you did beat him in real

1857
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: life before, but like you guys could hit it off.

1858
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's definitely

1859
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: a It's yes, it's a compliment taken. It's a fine

1860
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 1: line to try to be both. The same person you

1861
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: see on TV is the same person you are in person,

1862
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: so right, you know, I know, yeah, Well, and that's

1863
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: the thing I think as leads, there's so much that

1864
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: happens that can't be portrayed on TV, and so I

1865
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: think for everyone, anyone who's ever been on the show,

1866
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: there's so much more. People are way funnier or more

1867
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: charismatic than what they come across. And Peter, I mean,

1868
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: I've met you now a few times in person, and um,

1869
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: like you really are just this very warm, bighearted, like

1870
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: fun charismatic guy that that I think we saw a

1871
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: good part of it on the show, but I think

1872
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,520
Speaker 1: that they're so much more. And so, you know, regardless

1873
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: of what happened throughout the entire season and it didn't

1874
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: pan out, I'm sure as anyone had expected. Um, I

1875
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: think you are on your own path and I'm so

1876
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: happy you are about Shore. I really am. Yeah, you

1877
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: seem happy. Like we've talked to you a couple of

1878
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:32,520
Speaker 1: times in studio. You're different, You're different. Thanks Kelly, Thanks Kelly,

1879
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: she's been amazing. How many times have you FaceTime Barb? Yeah,

1880
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: she's obsessed with Sophie Dustin's dogs, and she's always calling, Hey,

1881
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: let me see Sophie, let me see Sophie. Let me

1882
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: see Chop Chop. So that's that's Kelly. Chop Chop were

1883
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: heard about? Chop chopped up? All right? Well, Kelly, we're

1884
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: so happy you popped into this. Thank you boys, Thanks Kelly.

1885
01:33:56,680 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: We hope to see more at you. Um So, Peter,

1886
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: as I just said, you know, there's obviously so much

1887
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: more than what anyone can ever see on a TV show.

1888
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: And when people say like they thought the ending was

1889
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: staged and the finale was staged, I don't think so,

1890
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,719
Speaker 1: because like when we met with you in the studio

1891
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: before the season started, we asked you, like, what are

1892
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: you hoping from this, Like what do you want to

1893
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 1: be known for? And you were like, I don't want

1894
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: to be known for a windmill or an inanimate object,

1895
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: like I want to be known for having the best

1896
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: love story. And unfortunately, for your time on the show itself,

1897
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. Like, yes, you fell in love with

1898
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: a couple of girls, you were engaged, it didn't pan

1899
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: out with either of them, and I don't think that's

1900
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: anything you expected going into it. I don't think you

1901
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: could have foreseen any of what went down. So that's why,

1902
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: like watching it, I'm like, dude, like no offense, but

1903
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: this really sucks. Like all he wanted was to share

1904
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: his heart and to share this love story with the world.

1905
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: And so you know, you're making your own story now

1906
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: away from the TV. We don't know what's gonna necessarily

1907
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 1: happen with Kelly. But going back to your time, obviously

1908
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 1: it didn't pan out as you thought. But I'm sure

1909
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: we all have regrets going through it at moments. But

1910
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: what was your biggest regret and biggest takeaway from being

1911
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: the lead? My biggest regret I think was and it

1912
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: for me, it's so tough to like kind of admit

1913
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: or be okay with because, like I know the kind

1914
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: of person that I am, and at the end of

1915
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: the day, I can't change myself to like be different.

1916
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 1: But the one thing that kind of sucked the most,

1917
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: I think was me just being a little bit too

1918
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 1: empathetic throughout the entire process and not putting my foot

1919
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: down in certain situations. And I guess do if I

1920
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: could have done it again, had a second chance, I

1921
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 1: could have tried a little bit harder, but at the

1922
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: end of the day, I am who I am, and

1923
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 1: so it's like it's a regret, but it's like something

1924
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: I regret that I would I would continue to keep

1925
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 1: making because that's just the person I am. And maybe

1926
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: that's this kind of process wasn't ideal for me being

1927
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: on this side, as you know, the back, sir, but

1928
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: that's who I am, and I can't change who I am.

1929
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 1: And in regards like what you said about you know, yeah,

1930
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: I remember saying that, like I didn't want I didn't

1931
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 1: care about any drama of being remembered for this or

1932
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 1: that I wanted to give people because I've been such

1933
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: a hopeless romantic. The romantic like that story they could

1934
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: live vicariously through and like inspire them to like never

1935
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: settle and like look for hopefully what I was going

1936
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 1: to go fine, But even though it didn't work out

1937
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: that way, I still I hope that it can inspire

1938
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: people just kind of seeing me now and where I'm at.

1939
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: And I've always said, like, I'm not a hopeless romantic.

1940
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't like the word hopeless because I'm the kind

1941
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: of romantic that never loses hope that you know what

1942
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: that didn't work, and that didn't work, and there was

1943
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 1: so much should I had to go through with that.

1944
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: But guess what, I'm still having that mindset that you know,

1945
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: the next person is going to be my girl, And

1946
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: if I can still feel that way after what I

1947
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 1: just went through, hopefully that can in a different way

1948
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 1: inspire people in a way I didn't think was possibly

1949
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: going to at the beginning of the season. Yeah, you

1950
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: are very well said. So I have one last question

1951
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: for you, being that this is kind of like a

1952
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: redemption podcast for you and a ringwrit just on Thost

1953
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: failed out a lot going on in this closet. Seeing

1954
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: that this is a redemption podcast for you, and we

1955
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: started out at the beginning asking you about the coronavirus,

1956
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this last question. It's interesting

1957
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: you say empathy because I think a lot of people

1958
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: would have labeled that that you were indecisive. So that's

1959
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: why I think what you said is very powerful, because

1960
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I actually can see that, I can

1961
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: see how you were being very empathetic, but a lot

1962
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: of people have labeled you as indecisive. A lot of

1963
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,799
Speaker 1: people have had opinions on you one way or another.

1964
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: For various reasons, kind of as if I don't want

1965
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: to use certain words, but basically is if you don't

1966
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: make your own decisions, and I'm going outside of even

1967
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: them saying because of your mom. Just a lot of

1968
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: people have had a lot to say about you that

1969
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with. Beca and I have had

1970
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: the chance to get to know you off of the podcast.

1971
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 1: You're a great guy. Your character's outstanding. I mean, like,

1972
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: you send us a voicemail the other day and I

1973
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 1: turned to Brian, I was like, you couldn't be mad

1974
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: at Peter if you tried, You just couldn't. He's just

1975
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: such a good person. But I feel defensive of you,

1976
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: and I've said this before just because I feel like

1977
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: people have a lot to say about you. So I

1978
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: just kind of want to give you the opportunity and

1979
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: give you the floor like Becca did at the beginning

1980
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: of this podcast, to just address it. The people who

1981
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: have stuff to say about you, and that like you

1982
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: can't make your own decisions and you're indecisive. What do

1983
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 1: you have to say about that? Uh? You know, and

1984
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,759
Speaker 1: yeah I heard that. It's ton and listen, I'll admit

1985
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: to a lot of it I was indecisive in regards

1986
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: to a lot of situations. But and I'm okay with

1987
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: that because that to me was just showing how how

1988
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,799
Speaker 1: well this did work for me, and it was working

1989
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I didn't want to fall from

1990
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: multiple women. I didn't want to have to have these

1991
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: crazy confusion you know days, these weeks I had to

1992
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: deal with, but I did. And so you know, I

1993
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: look the way I look at it, it's like I

1994
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 1: wasn't indecisive. That'd probably be a little bit weird because

1995
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't working as well as maybe maybe it's

1996
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: the wrong opinion. But that's honestly that that's that's how

1997
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 1: I look at it. Um, you know, in regards of

1998
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: being like empathetic and like, I know there's a lot

1999
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: of relationships why people like didn't understand why I was

2000
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 1: like maybe possibly giving that person so many chances or um,

2001
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, not seeing the red flags right away or whatnot.

2002
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: And you know, and I'll specifically say like one with

2003
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 1: like Victoria, if I know, I got a lot of

2004
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: like backlash on that relationship, Like me going into this

2005
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: and like I've always been such a proponent for grace

2006
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,560
Speaker 1: and like in a relationship that's so important also to

2007
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: be able to give it's one of the most beautiful

2008
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 1: gifts you can give. Um. The definition of grace is

2009
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: like is unwarranted us undeserved forgiveness and like, so that's

2010
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: how that was my mindset, and a lot of these

2011
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 1: relationships that people didn't get why I was doing what

2012
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 1: I was doing or whatnot, Like I always trying to

2013
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: practice that and like, you know, not just preachip, but

2014
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: practice it, um, So listen, that's still though, doesn't I

2015
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 1: made a ton of mistakes. I fess up to that

2016
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: over and over. The biggest one and the one that

2017
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: I hurt, My biggest regret I take back was you know,

2018
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: putting hand and what I put her through and like

2019
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: that to me, you know, is something that I will

2020
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: forever feel horrible about because I just care for her

2021
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 1: so much. But you know, through all that, I do

2022
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: feel like she's going to be Madison's going to be

2023
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: all the other women myself, like we are gonna still

2024
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 1: forever be grateful for this experience we share together. And

2025
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I never, for sure we'll ever regret being

2026
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, that's for sure, just the experience I had

2027
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: the lessons I learned I'll take with me for the

2028
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: rest of our life. So that's great. And luckily bachelination

2029
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: is a short term memory. So that's what I hear.

2030
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: But there's no other show being film right now. I

2031
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: kind of take the attention, all, yeah, you really are

2032
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 1: you really are getting the short end of the stake

2033
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: stick here because yeah, I know what I mean. Until

2034
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: Listen to Your Heart starts, no one's going to be

2035
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: able to talk about another show. So Peter, one last

2036
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 1: question before we let you get going here the entire season,

2037
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: I think it can be said, and Rachel and I

2038
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: have said this to like, what does Peter want? What

2039
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: do you want? It might have been different going into

2040
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: the season than it is now, but what ultimately do

2041
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 1: you want in a partner? What are you looking for

2042
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: that's really going to fill you at the end of

2043
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 1: the day. I want someone that listen all, I still

2044
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 1: want a lot of the same things I wanted from

2045
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, but someone that you know,

2046
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: really just gets me for who I am and it

2047
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: is never going to try to have me change in

2048
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: any way, even if they think it might be a

2049
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: weakness in me. It's something they appreciate about me and

2050
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, someone that I do feel like we can

2051
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: really challenge each other. And that's not to be negative

2052
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: or like, oh he needs to have a problem or

2053
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: an issue or he needs the drama. That's not what

2054
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 1: it is. But someone that really just you both challenge

2055
01:41:55,960 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 1: each other really well. And you know, I've had the

2056
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: opportunity just to see and date a lot of different

2057
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: personalities in different women obviously in the last two months,

2058
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 1: and like, so I see a lot of what I

2059
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 1: like and what I don't like now, um, and so

2060
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to use that for sure moving forward. UM.

2061
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: And you know, at the end of day, just someone

2062
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: that just makes me happy, and um, I can make

2063
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: them happy. And it's nothing really much more complicated than that. UM.

2064
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 1: And I know that's that's gonna happen for me. We

2065
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 1: know it will, and we'll be watching, We will be

2066
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 1: watching and hopefully well, Peter, we loved having you on.

2067
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean we said it before, but we're always going

2068
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 1: to root for your happiness. We're always gonna want you

2069
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 1: to find love because, like I said, you have such

2070
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 1: a big heart and we've seen that and so I

2071
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: really want you at the end of the day to

2072
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 1: hopefully find what you're looking for. Um. You know, we

2073
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 1: all go through these crazy ups and downs, especially being

2074
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: from the show. Um, but it seems like you did

2075
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: learn a lot and took a lot. So we're always

2076
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: going to be your biggest supporters here, um, because we

2077
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 1: can wait. It's it's a crazy world that you've gotten

2078
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 1: yourself into and you're part of it now you're stuck

2079
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 1: with us. Um, but we're happy that we can all

2080
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: be in it together. No, I love you both so

2081
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 1: much to thank you for everything, just always being there

2082
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: for me and you know, the whole whole way, So

2083
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: thank you, Oh Peter. And one thing too, I should say, Um,

2084
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 1: my mom was actually asking for your mom's number because

2085
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 1: my mom, my mom struggled a lot while I was

2086
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: gone on the show, just because she she couldn't really

2087
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 1: talk to me, you know. Um, So she she wants,

2088
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 1: she was joking the other day, she wants to start

2089
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: like a support group of bachelor parents. So I think

2090
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: she actually reached out to your mom on Instagram, so

2091
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: hopefully they can chat aside. Um. Yeah, but when all

2092
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: this quarantine is said and done, we're all coming over

2093
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: and bringing my mom for some Cuban food. Okay, thank you, Yeah,

2094
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 1: I want to fire it up. No, for sure, she's

2095
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna love that, so I can't wait. Thanks Peter so

2096
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: much for doing this. Hopefully this is if for you.

2097
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,640
Speaker 1: Now you can live your life. That's for do you?

2098
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Just do you? Thank you so much for giving us

2099
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 1: your time. Thank Kelly, and tell Dustin what's up to us?

2100
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: All right? Love you guys, Peter. You know it's so.

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad we talked to Peter Becca because I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, I was a little indifferent about doing an

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Speaker 1: interview because I thought, Okay, are we just going to

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Speaker 1: be rehashing the same things over and over again? Is

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Speaker 1: this just gonna be you know, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: just didn't think that. I know our listeners wanted it,

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Speaker 1: but I just wasn't sure how the podcast would go.

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Speaker 1: And I am so glad we did it. I thought

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Speaker 1: that Peter is a new Peter. Dare I say it.

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Speaker 1: I think people will be surprised, pleasantly surprised at what

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Speaker 1: they heard Peter say and where he is and where

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Speaker 1: he was coming from. And I honestly think he's in

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Speaker 1: a headspace now to clearly talk about it. Without being

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Speaker 1: biased or too emotional from what had happened before. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think a little time and space and distance always helps.

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Speaker 1: And and even for me, I mean, be worth supposed

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Speaker 1: to speak to him right after the finale, and I personally,

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Speaker 1: I think in that moment I would have come at

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Speaker 1: the interview as like a scorned woman because I could

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Speaker 1: relate with him Anne, and I was in that mindset.

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Speaker 1: And so it's good to now have a little distance

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Speaker 1: from everything that went down. We've seen Peter kind of

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Speaker 1: move on from his season with Kelly, We've seen the

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Speaker 1: girls kind of move on, and so I think it

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Speaker 1: helps to shape the conversation a little bit better. And

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Speaker 1: as you said, Peter now has some space, he has

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Speaker 1: some clarity, He can come at this and finally really

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Speaker 1: say what he wants to say and what he wants

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Speaker 1: to get off of his chest. So I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: we finally spoke with him. Yeah, Plus we got Kelly. Now,

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Speaker 1: if we had done this interview right after the finale,

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Speaker 1: we never would have gone Kelly. So thank you for that,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for Kelly for making a guest appearance on

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Speaker 1: That's a Happy Hours. So glad we finally got you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was a good one, guys, but we have to

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Speaker 1: start leaving him alone because a new show is coming

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Speaker 1: up starting this Monday. We have Listened to Your Heart,

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Speaker 1: which we have to look forward to and I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: But Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, you can actually get our

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Speaker 1: first interviews on the show. We have a new podcast

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Speaker 1: dropping this Friday where you can get our take on

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Speaker 1: what's to come and listen to your Heart. That's right.

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Speaker 1: We are the official podcast, which means we are dropping

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Speaker 1: things first, So you're welcome. For Peter, that is over

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Speaker 1: and done with. We're entering a new season. Listen to

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Speaker 1: your Heart so excited. April thirteenth, eight seven Central. We've

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Speaker 1: got two contestants coming up on the show. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be so good and you're only going to hear

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Speaker 1: them here on Bachelor Happy Hour. So thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. You know, we love diving

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Speaker 1: into all things Bachelor with you every single week on

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour. We're hoping that we're providing you some normalcy

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Speaker 1: during these really trying times right now. We hope that

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Speaker 1: you're safe, healthy. We thank you so much for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Are tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour and another wild

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Speaker 1: season of the Bachelor is finally in the books. I

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Speaker 1: cannot wait. And now, Listeners, we always love to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. If you ever have praises or comments or questions,

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Speaker 1: please on them our way. You can always email us

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Speaker 1: at happy hour at batnation dot com. Also head to

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Speaker 1: batchelnation dot com to get the latest and greatest details

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Speaker 1: about the show and everything that's coming up. We are,

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Speaker 1: of course the first place to announce everything coming in

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Speaker 1: the weeks to come.