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Speaker 1: Ms pod Robert, I'm behind the Bastards. This is Robert

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Speaker 1: Evans about people who aren't nice. Jesus Christ. That didn't

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Speaker 1: work out? Well, oh thank you? Okay, Well then that's

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Speaker 1: the intro every single day from now on, Christ just copy,

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Speaker 1: copy and paste that for every future. Well, we're here

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Speaker 1: today for a special episode of Behind the Bastards. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's very different from our normal episodes. I don't have

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Speaker 1: anything prepared or written. But after watching Tiger King, Billy

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Speaker 1: and I got together via Sophia via the text messaging

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Speaker 1: app that these kids are all using today's texting It's

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Speaker 1: with the kids, they love it, uh, and we started

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Speaker 1: talking about how this show made us feel, and we

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Speaker 1: decided that we should probably do that for like an

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Speaker 1: hour or so. And I think even more than talking

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Speaker 1: about Tiger King, we're gonna wind up talking about the

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Speaker 1: South and the rural United States because the the overwhelming

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Speaker 1: the South, most of my fellow Americans. I felt like

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Speaker 1: this was some sort of bizarre fairy tale as opposed

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Speaker 1: to like I've known every fucking one of these people,

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Speaker 1: every single one of them. Yeah. So, Billy, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing today? I'm good. It's good to see you

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Speaker 1: guys even Yeah, just like this, do you guys like

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Speaker 1: my attire today? I dressed I dressed it on theme.

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Speaker 1: Sophie's wearing leopard print. Uh so she's she's ready to go,

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Speaker 1: matching leopard print. Anderson's wearing some sort of jungle print.

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Speaker 1: We look awful. It's great. You do look like you're

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Speaker 1: like a like a super Target customers somewhere. Yeah. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Look like you're going to explain to me why the

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Speaker 1: cleaning up the elephant slop. H Yeah, which is a

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Speaker 1: thing that happens kind of two people who joined doc

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Speaker 1: at least. Anyway, Billy, you wanna tell me about your

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Speaker 1: experience with with with Tiger King, Well, I mean someone's

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Speaker 1: I had heard of it. I had heard of Joe

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Speaker 1: then it was like I think. My wife was like

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Speaker 1: where like there was some of it where it was like,

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Speaker 1: all of this makes perfect sense with people I grew

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Speaker 1: a legal animal. Well they're not illegal animals because Texas

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Speaker 1: should have in Texas. Very fair. Yeah, so we should

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Speaker 1: Coke Coke industries Charles Coke cannot get erect without bathing

428
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: his penis in the blood of an infant mountain lion. Um.

429
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's that's on record. He he talks

430
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: about that openly, so that this is considered this legally

431
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: binding Coke. I mean, there's a reason, absolutely it is

432
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: the masturbate with cat blood state. That's what they call Kansas.

433
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: Here's some ads services. We're back, um, and I kind

434
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: of wanted to move to telling some stories Billy, because

435
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: I think we both have stories of kookie folks we've

436
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: met out in nowhere who I kind of might go with.

437
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: This is like, I'm glad that people are enjoying Tiger King.

438
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: It is a fun show. I enjoyed it myself. I

439
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: would like people to understand how many Tiger Kings there

440
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: are out there in the world, even the ones that

441
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: don't have tigers. Yeah. I don't think if you didn't

442
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: grow up in the in the South, or not even

443
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: in the South, if you didn't grow up in a

444
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: rural area, I don't think you truly even then. Okay,

445
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Even then, if you didn't live outside

446
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 1: of town, you might not understand these people too. I

447
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: think that has something like because even where I'm from,

448
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: because of where I lived out in the quote unquote country,

449
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: part of my rural county, I was still like a country.

450
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: They were like we people that lived in town, we

451
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: consider them city kids. Yeah, yeah, and that that I

452
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: think that is a part of it. Like there's there's rural,

453
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: and then there's like fucking nowhere, you know. Yes, yeah,

454
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: there's rural, and then there's there are not services. Yeah, yeah,

455
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: there's rural and then there's where your buddy's dad who's

456
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: a game warden, tells you not to go. Yeah. Yeah,

457
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: they're if you cross onto the wrong line, they just

458
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: shoot people because they got pot fields out there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yes,

459
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So I was out nowhere adjacent and one

460
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: of those. I was in a rural town UM that

461
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: was kind of bordered by fucking nowhere. This would have

462
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: been five six years ago with my partner at the time,

463
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: and it was around Thanksgiving and we were out on

464
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: the town walking around and she had an an Israeli

465
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Air Force shirt on. Um. It was not a political statement,

466
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: I don't think either of us. Uh, we're yeah, it

467
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: was just she liked the logo on. It's a shirt

468
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: she'd had for years. So she's wearing the shirt and

469
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: a guy picks it out and he's like, hey, you know,

470
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: it's good to see somebody else who likes Israel. You

471
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: know I was in the I d F. And we're like,

472
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: oh cool. We talked for like ten minutes, UM and

473
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: he uh, he's he invites us over to his house

474
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: for dinner for the night. And this is a guy

475
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: like forties, early fifties something like that. UM does not

476
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: sound Israeli. Sounds very American. But you know, there's a

477
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: sizeable number of American like born, you know, Jewish folks

478
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: who went to Israel, serve in the I d F.

479
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: Came back. That's the thing that happened. So no alarm

480
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: bells yet. Just like this nice guy who uh invites

481
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: us out to his farm. So we drive out about

482
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: an hour and a half from the town, maybe less,

483
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: but we drive out quite a lot aways from the

484
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: town to get to this guy's house. And this is

485
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: the middle of the fucking mountains, and we are like

486
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: his his house is at the foot of one mountain

487
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: that's maybe five six seven thousand feet and then there's

488
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: a fourteen thousand foot peak like kind of a couple

489
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: of miles back. So he is he is in some

490
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: fucking rough country, and he's got this gigantic, beautiful stone

491
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: ranch mansion that's like my it's it's still to this

492
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: day like my from the outside, my dream home like

493
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: made out of like like clearly a hundred something years

494
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: old made out of like beautiful like stone work. Um.

495
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: And then there's this like massive complex of uh past

496
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: years and pins and like a ton of horses and

497
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: cows on. It's just this amazing ranch setup. And so

498
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, ship, we're gonna meet Like I love

499
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: meeting cool people who own compounds in the middle of

500
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: the woods because you get to do fun ship on them.

501
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: So we think this is that. So we meet this guy. Um,

502
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: we we head into his house and the first thing

503
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: we noticed is that there's no furniture in his house

504
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: except for in one corner of one room. The second

505
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: is that one of the empty living rooms is filled

506
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: with bags of marijuana, which is not that weird for us,

507
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: but it also makes it clear like, Okay, this is

508
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: a normal residence. He's probably sixty to one hundred pounds,

509
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: you know, that was just kind of sitting out, so

510
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: not like the biggest operation in the world. But he's

511
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: clearly running a pot farm that's not tiny, you know. Um,

512
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: And it's also clear that like, oh, you don't really

513
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: like you live here, but you don't really live here.

514
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: This is a bit of a trap house, you know. Like.

515
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: But the other thing that we notice is that the

516
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: one corner of the big living room that has furniture

517
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: has like a couple of couches and then probably five

518
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: hundred or more different kind of knives, knives and swords

519
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: and not. And this is the thing, you know, me,

520
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: I got I I love, I love, I love knives.

521
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: I have a ton of knives around me. There's knives

522
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: hanging up on my walls. I'm always surrounded by knives.

523
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Not I'm not going to judge a man for owning knives.

524
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: These were not the kind of knives that a person

525
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: who is that a reasonable person owns. Do you remember

526
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: bud K catalogs? May, yeah, vaguely. It's like all of

527
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: the knives that look like they were from like a

528
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: low budget horror movie where they're like claws, like wolverine

529
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: claws that you can stick on your fist, or like

530
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: these like curved daggers made out of and they're all

531
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: made out of like shitty steel, and they all break,

532
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: and they all look like something that like a bad

533
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: superhero from the nineteen nineties would have like welded to

534
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: his body like toy knives. And he has like five

535
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: hundred of these all stacked in a corner of the

536
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: room around his couch. And so that's weird. But he's

537
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: very nice and he brings us and he introduces us

538
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: to his child bride um, which is when things get problematic.

539
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: So again, this guy is in his mid forties to

540
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: early fifties, maybe his wife is not a day over eighteen,

541
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: and they have clearly been dating for a while, and

542
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: it becomes clear through conversations that she is, Yeah, this

543
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: is my wife. I'm raising um. And she cooks us

544
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: a lovely dinner and we have yes and doesn't talk much,

545
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: and he's very polite and tells us about his mom

546
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: who was some sort of great hero in the Israeli Army,

547
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: and it was all lies. It was very clear that

548
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: it was all like, no, your mom didn't kill sixty

549
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: guys in this one fight during the like it just

550
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: didn't happen, Like you're just lying about a person who

551
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: isn't real, um. And he repeatedly The thing that we

552
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: got to be really unsettling is he would repeatedly every

553
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: time like, you know, I try to be polite to

554
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: human beings. Every time, like his wife would like bring

555
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: in food or like would refa to drink, I would

556
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: thank her. I would thank him when he was like

557
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: bringing in and he'd be like every time either of

558
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: us thanked him, he would be like, you know, not

559
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: enough people show respect anymore. That's what I like is

560
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: seeing respect. People need to like, that's what maintenance makes

561
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: someone a good person or not a showing respect. And

562
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: it was such a constant thing he brought up to ours, like, oh,

563
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: something horrible happens in this household when you two are

564
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: the only ones here and she doesn't say thank you,

565
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: like and he he had big, doc ant lee and energy,

566
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: and I never got what his full grift was. But

567
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: he invited us to live with him by the end

568
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: of the night, which is not the first time that's

569
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: happened to me. It's actually happened quite a lot because again,

570
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: and this was a thing my partner and at the

571
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: eye at the time had this this habit of being

572
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: met by weird people in the middle of nowhere, and

573
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: they would invite us into their lives and we would

574
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: say yeah, sure, and then things would get horribly uncomfortable. Um.

575
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: And that time we were just like, as soon as

576
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: we got in the car, like, no, this guy lives

577
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: too far out in the middle of nowhere. He could

578
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: make us like it's we just lose this guy number

579
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: and never come back here. Um. So I don't know

580
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: what was going on there. You never You often don't

581
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: learn the whole story, right, You never know the whole

582
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: if you're smart, you never learned the whole story. That

583
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: that's something I learned. I mean just doing touring your

584
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: whole adult life. You do, especially in your twenties, because

585
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: you're looking for adventure more than you're just going through life,

586
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: especially if you're stand up, because you're like, I'm gonna

587
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: get I need some stories. Um. So early on I

588
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: would say yes to people after you know, I would

589
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: go places you're not supposed to go when it only

590
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: happened a couple of times. But there was always weird animals. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

591
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: red tiles are pretty common that normally dietn't told me off,

592
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: but like they would always be Like the time I

593
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: remember where I was like, oh, I'm never doing this again.

594
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Was these people I talked about pot and they're like, hey,

595
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: do you want to smoke afterwards? And I was like sure,

596
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: So I got in the car and went with them,

597
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: and then there weren't It was like there was a

598
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: snake and then they had weird rodents but as pets,

599
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: like ferret type rodents that weren't you know what I mean,

600
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: Like we're I was like, I don't know what those

601
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: are something, it's like what It was very clear that

602
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: they went to some effort to acquire animals people don't

603
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: normally have access to. Yes, and then by smoke they

604
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: pulled out Heroin and I was like, oh, yeah, okay,

605
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I can't. I was very polite and I was like,

606
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't That's not what I meant. I thought it

607
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: was pretty clear on stage in front of three D

608
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: people that I just smoke pot and they were like,

609
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: we thought you were speaking in code because you called

610
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: it dope, and I was like maybe it was just

611
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: like but then like that wasn't even the weirdest part.

612
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: It was those weird rodents. I kept thinking that was

613
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: the key to me that was weird. Like I might

614
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: have said there and watched them smoke Heroin, but the

615
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: animals where I was like, I don't understand what they

616
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: had this has to do with that, and I don't

617
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: like that. This is uncomfortable to me. My favorite weird

618
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: animal stories is my great great uncle. I remember going

619
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: this was like I was five or six. I remember

620
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: this so clearly. He had called a raccoon like he

621
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: had a bunch of coon dogs, so he did that,

622
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: I thought the dogs were cool, like a bunch of

623
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: beagles and a couple of actually at coon hounds, and

624
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: then they're cool. And then he had a trapped one

625
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: in a cage, and I remember me and my dad

626
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: walking up to look at it, and I went to

627
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: pet it, and my uncle I slapped my hand. He's like,

628
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: he don't want being paid. He's main. And I remember saying, then,

629
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: why do you have him? Why do you have him?

630
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: And I remember the look on my great great uncle's

631
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: face like that had never occurred to him. Well, yeah,

632
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: he shocked, like what, He's there an option besides having

633
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: this angry animal in my home? Like I caught one.

634
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot it. I called it so that would

635
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: be a nice And I was like, what they're just

636
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: being five, being like, let that fucker go. He doesn't

637
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: like that. Growing up, my my aunt was dating a

638
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: fellow who had a huge no This was in suburban Texas,

639
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: had a shocking number of exotic reptiles in it. He

640
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: had a shark in his suburban house like a nurse

641
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: shark um. And he also had a massive, very ill

642
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: to profoundly ill tempered iguana. Now I love reptiles. I'm

643
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: a big reptile fan, and as a little kid, I

644
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: was even more into them, and I desperately wanted this

645
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: animal to be my friend. And he had to sit

646
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: you down and explain to me, like when I got

647
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: this animal was already an adult. It is not hand trained,

648
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: and it will kill you if it gets out and

649
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: you get close to it. That tail can break a

650
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: grown man's thigh bone. He would smash you into bits.

651
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: And then it got out like three days later when

652
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: we were watching his house for him and his parents

653
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: had to come over and there was like all of

654
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: the adults in my life were basically like wielding broomsticks

655
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: to try to knock this animal into like a box

656
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: that they could lock it into and then throw the

657
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: box in the cage. This Uh, yeah, why do you

658
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: have this thing? As an adult? I wonder why would

659
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: you continue to own an animal that hates you that much?

660
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: It hates you, I get, yeah, profoundly hates you. I

661
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: get having an animal that's indifferent to your existence because

662
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: fish are fun, but hates you. Yeah, I don't know.

663
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: I was messing with that. I remember messing with the liger.

664
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: This guy had a when we went to the cat lady.

665
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Her husband brought up this Liger cub, and I know

666
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: we thought he was kidding because I didn't know they

667
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: were really real because the Napoleon dynamite, that's what I

668
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: so like literally when he's like it's a liger and

669
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: me and the sound guy were like this fucking asshole. Um.

670
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: And then as they're shooting b row, I went and

671
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: looked it up. I was like, dude, the real they

672
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: are real. Um. So then I start messing with it

673
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: and it's about the size of like a big Labrador retriever,

674
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean, which is a cool

675
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: size for a cat, because like that's a fun dog

676
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: to mess with two like you can kind of waller

677
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: with it. And I was like messing with it like

678
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: a with a dog, like with its mouth and all that.

679
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: And then the guy goes stop that, and I was

680
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: just like, what what is gonna kill He's like no, no, no,

681
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: He's like when he gets older, he won't know that

682
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: that's playing and he'll kill me play. And I was like, oh, well,

683
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm leaving like an hour Thunder's gonna keep. Animals like

684
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: that are kind of like the weird people you meet

685
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: out in the woods and that you have to have

686
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: very strong and sturdy boundaries in order to keep them

687
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: successfully without getting killed by them. Y Um, but there's

688
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a healthy respect. I think, yeah,

689
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: that we had it U this this girl lived in

690
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: our back house for a while and she had a

691
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: hairless cat that she rescued, and that was meme mean cat,

692
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: ye attack everybody. Well, one day I walked in there

693
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: when we were first getting used to it, and it

694
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: was just me and the cat, and the cat came

695
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: at me. And I was raised on a farm, so

696
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: my foot did this instinct thing and kicked the ship

697
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: out of the cat across them, sir, because uh, we're

698
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: establishing boundaries. And then my wife and our tenant a

699
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later, like, why doesn't the cat attack you?

700
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, we haven't understand it because

701
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: I attacked back, and they would never the attack. They

702
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: were just afraid of the cat for two years. And

703
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: I was like, you, guys, it's an animal. There's a

704
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: certain level, and I think you have to grow up

705
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: around animal, like I grew up on a cow farm.

706
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: That was a lot of my earliest memories like it

707
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: wasn't we owned the farm. They weren't our cow. Somebody

708
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: else basically licensed the farm. But like it was my

709
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: backyard was like a hundred and fifty acres full of

710
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, a hundreds something that head of cattle and

711
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: these two bulls that were pinned up separately. That bulls

712
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: were and like the only, the only like warning I

713
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: got for my parents was like, don't get close to

714
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: the bulls because they'll they'll kill you. But it was

715
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: also just like go do like you have a dog,

716
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: like the dog is expected to keep you alive, go

717
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: out and wander around in the field. Um, And there's

718
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: a level of I was maybe six the first time

719
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: I saw like the severed head and spinal column of

720
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: a of a dead calf. Um. And it's because some

721
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: sort of some sort of animal was murdering calves in

722
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: our yard. And then my dog found it in the

723
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: morning and dragged it out to show us and was like, look, guys,

724
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: look what I got. This is so happy, this is

725
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: such a good day. This is the best team thing ever. Yeah. Um,

726
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: it was just this to your comment about just sort

727
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: of like responding to an animal attack, he was like, yeah,

728
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: you fucking kick it, you know, like you kick it.

729
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: There's a level of brutality is the wrong word because

730
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: brutality implies that it's pointless there. But there's a level

731
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: of acceptance of physicality that is sometimes violent with animals

732
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: that comes with growing up in the country. Um, there

733
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: was a thing like again on my like um my partners,

734
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: former partners, um land out in the middle of nowhere,

735
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Like they had a farm and every now and then

736
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: they would shoot a coyote on and in order to

737
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: keep the coyote away from the things you don't the

738
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: other coyotes away, you would hang the dead coyote up.

739
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: There's a warning to the others because they're smart enough

740
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: they know what like that means. Like they see it

741
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: the corps about coyote hanging above a bar and they're like, oh, yeah,

742
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: don't fucking go near there. Those people will kill you.

743
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: Um it's just like a thing that you do. Um

744
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: that that I think, Uh, it's communication, and yeah, it's

745
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: a it's nature's communication is more aggressive than a lot

746
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: of uh, city dwelling people understand. Yeah, I see it

747
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: like one of the things that frustrates me and actually

748
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: makes me laugh. Uh. It used to frustrate me. Now

749
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: it just makes me laugh. Uh, it's still frustrating me.

750
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Is in l a you see, because vanity is such

751
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: a problem here, and aesthetic is what people are going for.

752
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: They'll they like the look of a certain dog. Yeah,

753
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: and they'll buy a dog that's not like it's breed.

754
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: Is like like a good example is like my cousin

755
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: in law, he had a beagle and he was like,

756
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: the thing is so loud and it just tears up

757
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: my house and they have horrible health problems with their ears. Yeah,

758
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, because you shouldn't have it

759
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: in Culver City, California. That dog needs to be just

760
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: chasing whatever. And and it's loud because it needs me

761
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: to hear it, so I go shoot the thing it's chasing. Yeah.

762
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: It's like it's like people, I don't know. I don't

763
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: want to go in like a rant about huskies, but

764
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: it's Hollywood's a weird place for a dog like that

765
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: to exist and you see them. Um. But it's also like, yeah,

766
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: there there's there's this. There's two kinds of people who

767
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: will tell you that their dog is a wolf. Um.

768
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: It's that it's people in like fucking Portland, Oregon who

769
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: want to seem cool and just have a perfectly normal

770
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: husky dog. And then it's people out in the middle

771
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: of nowhere who we're telling you don't go into that

772
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: fenced in yard. That's where we keep the fucking wolf wolf.

773
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't have him inside. He just destroys things.

774
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: He will eat his way, He will get bored and

775
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: eat his way through the wall. Let me show you

776
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: what he did to the last wall when we let

777
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: him inside. Before we tried to domesticate him. But then

778
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: we realize evolution hadn't domesticated him yet we keep him outside.

779
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: Now turns out he's just a hundred and eighty pound

780
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: monster that we keep in the yard. Yeah, hey, and

781
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: what we've and if we're being real honest, he allows

782
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: us to keep him. That fence won't hold him. If

783
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: he continues to not eat the children, we'll we'll keep

784
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 1: feeding it. We're good, We're good. Um. I think that's

785
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: the whole thing with the Tiger King. Like they don't.

786
00:43:53,800 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: I don't think people city people understand the relationship that

787
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: you have to have with animals in rural areas. They're

788
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: more part of your life like when I go to Alaska,

789
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: I know, I had to learn what animals like. You

790
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: see a moose and they look goofy and silly. They're huge,

791
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: but the way they move is just like but they

792
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: or than humans do in Alaska. So it's like that

793
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of stuff where it's like someone got Someone walked

794
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: out of the Anchorage Public Library while I was up

795
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: there one time, and a moose kicked his head off,

796
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: not completely, but like enough to make him dead. And

797
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: that is why basically everywhere in Alaska you're allowed to

798
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: carry a gigantic handgun around it and then you can

799
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: be a little drunk. That's sure. Yes, I don't see

800
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: how being drunk should stop anyone from carrying a gun. Billy,

801
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: that's your right as an American. I just just like

802
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: found out of place. So you can't be drunk and

803
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: with a gun, but Alaska you can be. And when

804
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: you go up there like this, that makes sense you

805
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: should be a little drunk. It's interesting on a little

806
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: of a rant which place because in Texas, right, if

807
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: you have a concealed handgun license in the state of Texas,

808
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: any amount of alcohol, you could potentially get arrested. It's

809
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: kind of up to the officers discretion even if you're

810
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: under the legal limit. If you have a concealed handgun

811
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: license and are carrying, they can add their discretion arrest you.

812
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: Because um, Texas has good it's not a terrible rule necessary.

813
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: Especially Texas has um one of the highest rates of

814
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: alcohol related violent crimes in the United States. So like

815
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: there's a specific thing they're dealing with. The I have

816
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: a friend who was driving down fucking the fucking the

817
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: High Five and DFW and a bullet just went through

818
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: the windshield of his car right in front of his face.

819
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: It seems driving like who knows, I'm sure alcohol was involved. Um,

820
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: Whereas in Oregon you can be as drunk as you

821
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: want while carrying a concealed handgun. As far as I know,

822
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: it's never caused a problem, and I choose not to

823
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: look into that any further. Billy, Um, you need people,

824
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: you need lumberjacks. Lumberjack that's not drunk with a gun. Yeah,

825
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: I'll do your best drug tests and servers. There's yeah. Yeah.

826
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: If you if you require chefs to be sober, there

827
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: will be no food. Yeah, it just won't happen. Yeah,

828
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: So Billy, we're gonna roll out to ADS here and

829
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a good transition, But when we come back,

830
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about what happens

831
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: when like this, the specific the specific species of rural

832
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: weirdo goes elsewhere in the world, because I have a

833
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: story or two about that. Um yeah, yeah, I want

834
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: to talk about an expat. I knew the rough story.

835
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: The title of the story I'll give you is the

836
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: pedophile who saved my life. Um, so we'll we'll talk

837
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: about that. Uh when we come back from Ads. Okay,

838
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: we're back. If Jared what if what if the pedophile

839
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: hostage lave was just Jared Fogel from Subway because he

840
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: just lost a lot of weight eating. He was a

841
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: little bit like if um Baga van aunty Uh was

842
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: a was a was a pedophile, which he might in

843
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: fact be, um but if he was doesn't help. There

844
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: was a weird Hindu mystic connection to this guy. Silly,

845
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: take my money for that. So we're talking about like

846
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: the weirdos, like because the kind of people who are

847
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: the focus of Tiger King and the kind of people

848
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: that I think I certainly find really charming about rural America,

849
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: Like is part of what draws me out to the

850
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere is meeting these weirdos who are too weird.

851
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: They couldn't live in a city. They just wouldn't. It wouldn't.

852
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: The most normal guy in the entire docuseries was that

853
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: Mario guy that was sentenced to a hundred years behind bars. Yeah, yeah, guy,

854
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: the guy in South Florida that was had the compound

855
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't let people in. Oh, the guy that

856
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: Scarface was based on. The Scarface guy as that guy.

857
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: He he was the normal guy in the entire thing,

858
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: and he was the guy that was sentenced to prison

859
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: for a hundred years and after twelve My friend Brooks Whalen,

860
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: a very funny comedian, said that about He was like,

861
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, the guy that based scarf they

862
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: based Scarface on, he's not even interesting enough to be

863
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: in this documentary exactly. That was like, that is true,

864
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: because he's he's pretty smart. Yeah, he's smart. He clearly

865
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: like the murders and stuff that he was related and

866
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: we're you know, business related as sort of like a

867
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: practical pragmatic thing. And I think all of the other

868
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: people who again I am explicitly alleging here have committed

869
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: mur um. I think they were more passionate killers. You know,

870
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: they got in the way of something they want. They

871
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: got business problem. Yeah, yeah, like you, if you were

872
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: to hang out on Mario's land with him, you'd be

873
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: perfectly safe, right unless you, like try to do violence

874
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: to him. And I'm sure you would have a great

875
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: time because he seems like he seems like a pretty

876
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: cool dude in spite of the fact that I'm sure

877
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: there's mountains of blood on his hands. But sometimes you

878
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: meet cool dudes who have killed a lot of people.

879
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: It's what I don't think that shook him. Yeah, like

880
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: you said, I think he's a business person, so he's yeah, Hey,

881
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: there's a good UFC fight on. I've got it. I'm

882
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: gonna use a projector the lins. We're gonna watch. It's

883
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a good time, right. I bet he's got

884
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: good pot. I bet he's got great pot. He reminds

885
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: me of some folks I've hung out with in like

886
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: rural Bosnia, where it's like you, about fifteen years ago,

887
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: you did some things that I wouldn't believe if you

888
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: told me. But we're having a good time him now,

889
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: and you have so many weird puppies. Yes, respected his

890
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: wife's monkey clothes collection as somebody who dresses their animal

891
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: and clothes against their will. Yeah, yeah, it's the same time.

892
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: Animals don't have a right to not be dressed up.

893
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: I believe that strongly. Yeah, that is me. But it

894
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: is the type of like that Mario goes that. You're

895
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: exactly right. He has the same energy as like a

896
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: former like I worked for military intelligence and that's why

897
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 1: I married this Russian lady and I and I helped

898
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: were raised his lions. We're just like, my life was

899
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: very exciting. Now I'm retired and this is kind of

900
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: boring and nice to me. Yeah, this is boring and nice.

901
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: And I need I need whatever I do during the

902
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: day to have like a chance of killing me, But

903
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: I don't want it to require that much effort. Yes, yes,

904
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: I need to know why it's gonna kill me every

905
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: day and not change. Yeah. I've known variants of that

906
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: guy Who's dangerous thing was they were self taught electricians

907
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: who had like retired to the land and had they

908
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: had projects, and every one of their projects was like, well,

909
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: one of these days, you're gonna slip up like this

910
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: will catch up to you, and negative stuff about the

911
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: b L m Oh, they're very angry at the b

912
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: lm Okay, I got yeah. As a general rule, of

913
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: the folks we've talked about today, probably less than a

914
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: third of them have legal driver's licenses, but all of

915
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: them drive. Um, So the pedophile who saved my life,

916
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: we've got these. There are all these weird people that

917
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: we've talked about who live out in the middle of

918
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: the country, and they're because they're too weird for cities.

919
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: And then there's another classification of people, and most of

920
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: the ones I've met are in fact Southerners, but they're

921
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: too weird to live in the middle of nowhere. They

922
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: do something that gets them exiled for the United States

923
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: and they wind up as ex pats um and they're

924
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: they're always it's so I'll just tell you about this guy.

925
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: So I'm in guatemala Um and where I'm hiking there's

926
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: this big fucking volcano, the tallest peak in Central America

927
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: that I I hike up with a friend of mine

928
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: and we have a little a couple of friends of mine,

929
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: and we have a little standoff with some bandits and

930
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: it was a great, great memory. And so we come

931
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: down this mountain um and we get on a bus

932
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: to head back to the place we're staying, which is

933
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: like five hours away from the mountain and in rural Guatemala.

934
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: And the place we're staying is Lago A Tit Lawn,

935
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: is this beautiful place that has a decent amount of tourism,

936
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, relatively built up cities, even though it's kind

937
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: of out of off like a little in the middle

938
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: of nowhere. But the road there, you're just in the

939
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: fucking jungle. So like a couple of weeks earlier, when

940
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: we've been on one of these drives we've been we'd

941
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: like charted a bus and had been driving in a

942
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: bus and we just got stopped in the middle of

943
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: the jungle in midnight by a dozen men in camouflage

944
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: with no patches or rank or insignia and machine guns

945
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: who stopped us and searched our vehicle, said nothing and

946
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: then waved us on. And that's that's the way you

947
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: want that to happen, though, Yeah, that is the way

948
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: you want that to happen. And there was like an empty,

949
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: flipped over box truck, you know, a quarter mile down

950
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: the road with its lights on that had clearly been robbed, Like,

951
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: who the funk knows what was going on. But this

952
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: is like the kind of country that you're driving through,

953
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: and we're driving through it, and we take what's called

954
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: a chicken bus, And a chicken bus is a giant

955
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: school bus that's been covered in chrome and painted ridiculous colors.

956
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: And they drive them on these hairpin a lot of

957
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: times unpaved mountain roads. They'll fill them up with fucking

958
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: two hundred people and just be darting down these things.

959
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: It's seventy miles an hour. It's it's real fun. So

960
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: we're taking this chicken bus and there's the aside from

961
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, my friends and I it's it's my partner

962
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: at the time, her girlfriend, and my friend Josh, and

963
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: we're all fucking uh, we're all in this car and

964
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: we're the only other like uh, we're we're we're the

965
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: only other white people other than um, this one French

966
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: Canadian girl who set it up front, and everyone else

967
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: is a local. And when we get the bus stops

968
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of a random small town and they

969
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: tell us are connecting buses there and it's the middle

970
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: of the night, and they toss our bags off, and

971
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: they tossed the French Canadian girls bags off, and then

972
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: they drive off with her still in the bus. So

973
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: we realize, thirty minutes are so into this. We're in

974
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: the middle of a jungle, there's no one around us,

975
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: we're not in a town, and no buses coming to

976
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: pick us up. And also we have this stranger's back

977
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: and we're in fucking bandit country. So after you know,

978
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what, So thirty or forty minutes going

979
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: to this and we just start hiking. Um, and it's

980
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: a kind of situation where like, yeah, this could go

981
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: really really badly, Like we're we're in the middle of nowhere.

982
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: We don't even really know how to We have a

983
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: vague direction for where the town we're going is, but

984
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: it's probably at least a five hour hike away. Um,

985
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: we're just in the middle of nowhere, in the jungle

986
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: in a foreign country. And as we're hiking and like

987
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: terrified as to whether or not we're ever going to

988
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: like figure out how to get to where we're trying

989
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: to go, this range rover pulls up and sitting in

990
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: the front of a range rover is a dude who

991
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: looked like the Doughbert guy. He was a yeah, land

992
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: Rover or range rover, land rover, because that would even

993
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: that's even more like, what where the fun you got

994
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: a range rover? No? No, this was like a real act.

995
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: Like this wasn't like a like a like an l

996
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: a mom land Rover either, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

997
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: So he pulls up and he's like this Gilbert Dad

998
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Scott Adams looking motherfucker like he's he's thin and he's

999
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: bald and he has a very like gentle Arkansas accent

1000
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: um so like and yeah, so he pulls us. So

1001
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: he pulls over by the side and he asks, like,

1002
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: very politely, do you all need to ride? We're like yes,

1003
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, what are the odds that we run into

1004
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: this American in the middle of someone like we can

1005
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: talk to and very easily explain where we're going? And

1006
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: so we pile into his car and he's like, oh,

1007
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's great that y'all are heading to

1008
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: a title and I'm headed there myself. And then he

1009
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: picks up a bag of raw meat of an indeterminate

1010
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: type that is sitting like by my feet in the

1011
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: front seat. Of the car and says, I'm going to

1012
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: go sell this to my friend Paul, he runs a

1013
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: hotel in the town. And this sparks a very strange

1014
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: series of conversation. So it comes clear that he's butchered

1015
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: some some animals um and has decided to drive the

1016
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: unrefrigerated meat down to try to sell to a hotel,

1017
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: and that sparks the conversation about why he had to

1018
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: leave the United States in the first place, which is see,

1019
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: he has these theories, Billy Wayne. He had these very

1020
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: theories based on Hindu mythology about how his wife needed

1021
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: to eat and hydrate while she was pregnant with their child,

1022
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: and this has been I would have been asleeping back

1023
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: and I would have woke up me and like keep going,

1024
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: So what's happening here? Well, his theory was that it

1025
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: was actually all of the problems kids have is because

1026
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: their moms eat while they're pregnant, and that his wife

1027
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't eat anything at all, nothing but water. Um. And

1028
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: his proof that this has had worked was that his

1029
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: baby came out blue, which meant that it was blessed

1030
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: by So at this point we're still in the in

1031
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: the jungles of Guatemala in a guy's car who we're

1032
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: reliant on to get us to the town. And now

1033
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: we're having this and I look back and like everyone,

1034
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: everyone in the back of the car has kind of

1035
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: that look on your face, and I realized, like I

1036
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: have to I have to continue this conversation for however

1037
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: long it takes us to get where we're going. Oh,

1038
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: is free me? Yeah, there's a tax on this ride.

1039
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: So we talk about he has a lot of opinions

1040
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: on rainbow gatherings, which are like this thing that hippies

1041
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: do that's kind of like a precursor to burning Man

1042
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: and also still occurs. It's like a gathering, and you'll

1043
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: you'll encounter different opinions on rainbow gatherings depending on who

1044
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: you talk to. This guy thinks they're a great thing,

1045
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: but it is very angry, angry because he got banned

1046
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: from ever attending again for misunderstandings. Um and it becomes

1047
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: very clear that the misunderstandings are consent based, and also

1048
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: very clear this is a lifelong pattern for this guy.

1049
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: So we're taught as we we finally do get close

1050
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: to town, which I was happy to hear, and as

1051
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: we get close to our hotel, and our hotel is

1052
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: the guy who ran it was another creepy expat, but

1053
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: a British expat, so not dangerous, um and not at all.

1054
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: He had like four wives, but it was fine. I

1055
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: mean it wasn't fine. One of them like anyway, Um,

1056
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't. This guy there was there would make lates

1057
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: and their stories you'd be like, there's some parts I

1058
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: think they're leaving out. Yeah, that's okay, what just happened

1059
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: right now? Continue? So we're we roll up to the

1060
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: hotel and he's so Paul doesn't like to talk to

1061
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: me anymore, but I need to sell him this meat

1062
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: because it won't survive the trip back. Could you convince

1063
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: him to buy meat from me? Which I have to

1064
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: try to do because he's given us a ride. I

1065
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: was gonna say, this is like and I and I do,

1066
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: and Paul does not want to buy the meat. And

1067
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: the guy hangs out in town, sleeping in his car

1068
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 1: for another couple of days, trying to sell this meat

1069
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: to people. And we had a couple of local friends

1070
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: like I know who sent you here, I know who

1071
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: sent So the next day we're like walking around town

1072
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: and we see this guy and say hi, and one

1073
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: of our local friends. We had a couple of friends

1074
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: who are like actually like Guatemalan locals. Um. He sees

1075
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: us talking to this guy as a dude. We like,

1076
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: we drunk with a little bit. He was the security

1077
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: guard at our hotel, so we would hang out at

1078
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: night and have a couple of beers and he would

1079
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: let us shot his gun into the air, because every

1080
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: night he would shoot his gun into the air, so

1081
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: people knew a guy with a gun was at the hotel. Um.

1082
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: So that guy that we were sold us pot too.

1083
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: He was a great dude. He was awesome. He comes

1084
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: up to us after we say goodbye to this fellow,

1085
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: and he says it notably, he looks less friendly than

1086
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: he ever has before, and he very carefully asks us,

1087
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: is that man your friend? And I say very clearly, no,

1088
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: not really. He just gave us a ride last night.

1089
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't really know him. And he said, yeah, well,

1090
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: that guy has done some very bad things to some

1091
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: of the kids in this town, and we're going to

1092
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: run him out of town tonight. And if he doesn't

1093
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: leave on his own, like he's going to go by

1094
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: other means. Um and you probably shouldn't be seen talking

1095
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: to him. So that was the that's my story if

1096
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: the pedophile who saved my life. It's not as exciting

1097
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: maybe as it sounds, but it was a fun two

1098
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: days and then you you gave him some extra time

1099
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: in town. Not not on purpose, no, that's what I mean,

1100
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: but like he saw you guys and was like, oh,

1101
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: this is this is my take it in Yes, this

1102
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: is because these guys are mad at me because of

1103
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: my ye, my misunderstandings. I don't know. I love weirdos,

1104
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: like obviously, I don't love that this guy was has

1105
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: been leaving a trail of broken lives and had to

1106
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: flee the United States because he definitely poisoned his kid.

1107
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: Who he was. He assured us his kid was doing

1108
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: great and the genius. But no, no, no he's not.

1109
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: Now what he did was malnutrition. That's what what you

1110
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: did was malnutrition. And you are the kind of ex

1111
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:46,959
Speaker 1: pat who just can't ever come back home. Yes, oh man,

1112
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: yeah is it was fun um those places though, like

1113
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: where like it just made me think of like a

1114
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: friend of mine was touring the world doing stand up

1115
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: and he was like I called him and I was

1116
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: like where are you at? And he's like, I'm trying

1117
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: to get out of and I'm not gonna say the

1118
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: islands he was in in the South Pacific or Southeast Asia,

1119
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: but he was trying because he was like I just

1120
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: realized the guy I was staying with is not as

1121
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: cool as I thought. I was like why. He was like, well,

1122
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: he said he's not allowed back in South Africa. And

1123
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, you should go right, you should.

1124
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna hang up right now. I don't want

1125
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: to be talking. You know, that's not super easy to

1126
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: get banned from South Africa, That's what I told. I

1127
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: was like, it's I was like, they're pretty loose on

1128
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: what you can do there. And he's like, no, I'm away.

1129
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: You need to have done a very specific kind of

1130
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: bad thing to get banned from South Yes, yes, yeah,

1131
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: yeah that and that was he was like no, no,

1132
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: and that he said it so casually too. I was like,

1133
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: yeah that you gotta go mm hmm, yeah, yeah, you

1134
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: wind up. I wound up kind of slightly beholden to

1135
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: some folks like that over the years, because like I

1136
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: was always working while I was living on the road,

1137
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: and so I would it was critical to me to

1138
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: have internet access. So sometimes you just have to be

1139
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: good friends with whoever owns the business with the best

1140
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: internet access in town. And sometime like there was this

1141
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: other guy who owned a bar in Guatemala who was

1142
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: a former highway patrol officer from Arizona, UM and said

1143
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: that It's one of the first things he told me

1144
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: when I met him, was like, I used to be

1145
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: a highway patrol officer in Arizona and I can never

1146
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: go back now. And he clearly had in the recent past,

1147
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: had a couple of hundred grand to spend on buying

1148
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: a hotel in a bar, and those two things were connected. Yeah,

1149
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: he was a cricket highway patrol officer, yes, And and

1150
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 1: he was also like the big drug dealer in town UM,

1151
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: which I'm sure also tied into why he's no longer

1152
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: a highway patrol office. He sell a business opportunity and

1153
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't want to be at law before,

1154
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: I want to run a shady ass bar that gets

1155
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: European kids dangerously intoxicated UH on their holidays, And that's

1156
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: what he did. My last memory of this guy is

1157
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: because he also had a seventeen year old wife who

1158
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: had just given birth. Um, which another it's high. That's

1159
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: what I don't think. People that don't same eyes, they

1160
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I've told people this a long time ago too.

1161
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: Was like some of my friends that don't travels, like,

1162
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: we'll be on a bar and I'm like, hey, this

1163
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. They

1164
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: be like what and then it would happen there? How

1165
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: did you know that? I'm like, I just I've seen this.

1166
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: We're all the same. This guy got invited us to

1167
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: a cool party. No, I've known this guy before, and

1168
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: you do not want to go to that party? And

1169
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: no you don't. It's gonna get weird about in the morning.

1170
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: That's when it gets. It's gonna be fun until then

1171
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh were this This wasn't the party,

1172
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: was it? Yeah, And it's not gonna just get like weird,

1173
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: like your f gets drunk and starts crying. It's gonna

1174
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: get like nothing else will ever be normal again for

1175
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: the rest of your life weird. Yes, it will change

1176
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: you as a person, yes, yes, um yeah. My last

1177
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: memory of that cop was he had his baby on

1178
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: a bassinet around his chest, and he was shirtless other

1179
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: than the baby he was wearing. And he was leaning

1180
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: over the counter of his bar with a jar of

1181
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: mushrooms preserved and honey, and he was spooning them into

1182
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: a naked Danish boy's mouth. Yes, just like by Alan. Yes.

1183
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I don't think people understand, like

1184
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: unless you've been in these situations, like I could. I

1185
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: could do this podcast for eighteen hours because everything you

1186
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: bring up there's like things that I've forgotten. Oh yeah

1187
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: that guy or oh that time. It's like you like,

1188
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: you can't stop these people. You can't stop the Tiger King,

1189
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: you can't stop Carol Baskins. They have an energy that

1190
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: that's what propels them in this life. It's like a

1191
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: Trump kind of person that kind of goes through the

1192
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: only thing that stops them is there. Yeah, like Carol

1193
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: Baskins will eventually, like her wanting fame the way she

1194
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: does is gonna be her undoing. Yeah. Yeah, it's the

1195
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know philosophy. But there's the thing.

1196
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: People who I know who talk about philosophy talk about

1197
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: the phrase they use the will to power, And I

1198
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: don't really know what that means, but there is a

1199
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: will to something specific in all of these people. Power,

1200
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: I guess might be one way to find it, but

1201
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: it's usually something weirder than that. I think Carol Baskin

1202
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: has this will to like I want to be the

1203
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: person who takes care of the most hurt cats. Um,

1204
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: like the bogwan Baga Van wants what it like you

1205
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: see what he wants like this, He's built this little

1206
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 1: paradise for himself. They all want called himself lord. Yeah.

1207
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's very clear where you're like, is it? Yeah,

1208
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm on an armchair therapist. This make oh okay yeah yeah.

1209
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: And most of them are harmless on the societal level

1210
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: because their dreams are so specific, right, they want to

1211
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: have a hundred cockatoos or something like that, and it's

1212
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: like okay, like, yeah, I want to give more mushrooms

1213
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: to seventeen year old Danish kids than anyone else has

1214
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: ever done. Yeah. Fine, Like I mean not fine, because

1215
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: some kids got into some really bad health situations over there,

1216
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: but like whatever, they knew what they were getting into

1217
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: some stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's whatever. Um, most of

1218
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: them don't do societal levels of harm because of the

1219
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: specificity of their dreams. And I guess that's the thing.

1220
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: The ones that are can be fun to hang out

1221
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: with and that can give you cool stories are the

1222
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: ones who have a weird, specific dream um and but

1223
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: also sometimes that dream is to see what happens if

1224
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: they don't let their white eat wife eat while she's pregnant.

1225
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: It is well, it breeds that because like it reminds

1226
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: me of like because the eighties and nineties when there

1227
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: was a huge comedy boom, like these guys would own

1228
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: these clubs, and some of them still exist, and there's

1229
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: like a handful of them that are very Tiger king

1230
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: esque type because what it is they own their own

1231
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: little kingdom that doesn't really mess with anything else, and

1232
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: the people that come in their kingdom come and go,

1233
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: but it's there's so they make the rules. Like there's

1234
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: certain clubs where I'm like, oh, I just don't play

1235
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: there anymore because you just that's you just can't. I

1236
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: don't have to. He has this trap where like that's

1237
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: the business model or whatever, where it's like he's gonna

1238
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: drink three bottles of Crown Royal in three days and

1239
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: then take his shirt off after the show. You know what,

1240
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: he gets to do that because he's the owner and

1241
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:13,799
Speaker 1: I need dollars this week. Yeah, yep, yep, that's it. Yeah,

1242
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: that's capitalism too. Yeah, that's that's the problem like that.

1243
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: That's a big part of my issue with capitalism is

1244
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: the amount of power it gives these people. Like these

1245
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: people are a product of capitalism in a lot of ways.

1246
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: Like there's aspects of what's going on their head that obviously,

1247
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure whatever it is makes these people the way

1248
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: they are. People like this have always existed, but the

1249
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: fact that they are able to hold money over other

1250
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: people is at the end of the day, what makes

1251
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: almost all of them able to do the bad stuff

1252
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: that they do. Um, because that gives them power over people.

1253
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: And it is this the problem, isn't It's not necessarily

1254
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: a bad thing to want to live on a compound

1255
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: in the woods because I have a fond dream, Billy,

1256
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: I have several zelo properties, yeah yeah, yeah, and getting

1257
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: to shoot off my porch and write a TV S

1258
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: with my friends and maybe keep a tiger or two

1259
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: and some alligators, right, well, a couple of alligators looking Yeah,

1260
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: I think a tiger too. Much just end up on

1261
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: our property if possible. And what's what's the harm. The

1262
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: problem is is that they build these fiefdoms that are

1263
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: based on this very strict hierarchy that is them and

1264
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: the only thing that really meant they're all cults, right, Um,

1265
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: even if there's no religious like, all of the people

1266
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: in Tiger King are cult leaders. Um. That guy I

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Speaker 1: met in his fucking ranch in nowhere, California was a

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Speaker 1: cult leader. He just only had one member, but he

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: was hoping he would do more. Yeah. Um, that's that's

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01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 1: what it is. And it's if we discarded capitalism tomorrow

1271
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: for a more ethical system, they would still exist, but

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01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: it would be harder for the to do what it

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01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: is they do. Yu. It would take longer and it

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: would be a Carole Baskin situation. You have to volunteer.

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01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: And then these this tiered because they're all they're all

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01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: wonderful manipulators. Yeah yeah, yeah, because that's what they're doing

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Speaker 1: to the animals is they're manipulating these base animals. Um,

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean they're manipulating these animals on this base thing

1279
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: like you want food, you gotta do this, you gotta

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: do this, And that's what they're doing to these people

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01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: that want to be around the cats. Yeah, and that's

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: why my motto is, never trust anyone with a well

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01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: behaved dog. Just any anyone who can train a dog

1284
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: is a dangerous, manipulative person. That is my I'm taking

1285
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: a strong stance against the training of dogs here. That's well,

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: some of them, Yeah, it's it's it's a bit that

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01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: didn't doesn't have any legs, but it's safe. That German

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01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: shepherd is like, you can't really control. And they say

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: they're very smart, but they, like everybody I've ever talked to,

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 1: it like, every now and then they just get nuts

1291
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, it's like that'd be like if

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01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: you're you're like, yeah, I mean, I have this machine gun.

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01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. Every now and then it just shoots

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: for enough fucking reachon it usually only fires when I

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01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. I mean that's a little bit like

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: owning a Taurus actually, but or certain rimming tunes. Unfortunately.

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: Um yeah, you go, look, triggers are hard. You can't

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: be expected to get them all right. They're not that importanate,

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, no, exactly, there's so many other parts of

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01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: the gun to get right. But the triggers, right Jesus, Well, Billy,

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01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: I feel like you got any other stories you wanted

1302
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: to make sure to drop out on this one before

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01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: we roll out from this special episode. I mean, I'm

1304
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: just I'm trying to I mean, there's not like I mean,

1305
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: I went to people in the body that was the

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: one that stood up because she was a big cat,

1307
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,480
Speaker 1: and that was very specific type of human being. Um,

1308
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: but animal people are weird. Animal people are always fascinating.

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01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got that's been a lot of time

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01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: in Florida, so I've got I could I'll write a

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01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: book about some of these characters, because it's just, yeah,

1312
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: I there's an I know that I am profoundly driven

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01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: to meet and hang out with these kinds of people

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01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: in my life, and it has caused me to make

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01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: a number of decisions that if my life were a movie,

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01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: I would have gotten murdered very quickly. Oh I'm in

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01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 1: a cabin in the woods and there's a dangerous person

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01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: showing me his antique. Got okay, you know, Like I

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: got a drunk Native girl in our cabin in Alaska

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: at the morning. I mean I eventually got her out,

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: but the next day I told people about it, and

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: they were they yelled at me. Not They're like, oh,

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01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: that would have been that could have been terrible because

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01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: everyone's armed. I was like, oh, it was snow and

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: it was cold. I don't know right now, just leave her.

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01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, all right, just because like

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01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to let strangers into your cabin at night. Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,

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01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: I we I make the we make these bad calls

1329
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: because there there is something like with the tigers, there's

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01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: something intoxicating about being around this kind, which is why

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01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: they're able to form cults. And the healthy amount to

1332
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: be around them is just long enough to realize they're

1333
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: profoundly dangerous. And then you leave with the story. Um,

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure you just nailed why I love the show.

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: That's it's because I've been around all these people. It's scary,

1336
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: but when I'm watching them through the television, I can

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01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: turn it off in it's just funny. Yeah, this won't

1338
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: be a problem for me. For me, it's from me.

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 1: It will be a problem. It is a problem. Yeah,

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: on a societal level, it's a problem. Um, and another

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01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: lot of individuals, guys, you another just a quick when

1342
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: did you realize math was such a part of it before?

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01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, because they don't tell you too later, but

1344
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: like when was it clear? Oh, when I saw when

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01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: I saw the boyfriend's teeth, you know, yeah, that was

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01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: a pretty clear like Okay, that's what that's that's I mean,

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01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: there's also like Joe's general demeanor. You can tell when

1348
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: people have been abusing methamphetamine for a long period of

1349
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: time because of their speech patterns, in the way that

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01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: they move their body in a lot of ways, and

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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: the way that kind of like the their emotions within

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01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: a sentence will art. Yeah, he's on the four wheeler

1353
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: chase in that tornado. I was cry laughing, and I

1354
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: was like, they've got to talk about him being on drugs.

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01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: That's someone on drugs. Yeah, And I was like, well,

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't know people that the tornadoes happened there a lot.

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01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, they do. And that's why

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01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: people don't chase them on fucking four wheelers. They do

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01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: a lot. They know not to do that. And I

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01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: think the thing people have to understand about methamphetamine as

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01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: it relates to these folks is that it isn't the

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01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: cause of the behavior in the same way that if

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: you start a gasoline fire, the gasoline doesn't cause the fire.

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01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: The lighter causes the fire, just like any other fire

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01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 1: you light. But the gasoline alters the character of the

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01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: fire in certain predictable ways that can be dangerous. Yes, yes,

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01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: um yeah, there's certain barriers in nature has put in

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01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: front of that human being that math is like, we'll

1369
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: just get rid of those. Yep, yep. I've only done

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01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: meth once and it wasn't crystal meth, you know it was.

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01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: It was in its pill form um and that was

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01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: about enough. You know it? It it. I can see

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01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: how you can lose yourself in it because what it

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01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: what it really does that's that I imagined would be

1375
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: most addictive, is it makes it so much easier to

1376
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: tunnel into a task like that thing people talk about

1377
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: about that state of flow um like that like fucking

1378
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, everybody in Silicon valleys trying to figure out

1379
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: how to like hack your brains. You can be in

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01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: a flow state and produce more. Um. Meth is a

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01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: shortcut to that in some ways. And I was in

1382
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: the one of the most blissful flow states of my

1383
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: life filling up a hundred and twenty gallons worth of

1384
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: five gallon gasoline cans shirtless in the back of a

1385
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: truck in rural Texas. And I was not taking the

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01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: proper safety precautions, but I loved every minute of that.

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: It done. Yeah, um, it's that and and it's that

1388
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: Joe is in. Joe lived his life in a state

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01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: of flow, um until he wound up in prison because

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: he was not thinking about certain consequences. No, no, he

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01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: was not. No, that is an interest that flow is

1392
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: like I know, uh, friends of mine talk about the

1393
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: sipping that syrup, that codeine syrup. Oh yeah, yeah, like

1394
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: uh and they talked about like, oh I was there.

1395
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: Comedie is a comedian friend of mine, and he was

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01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: like I was rapping and flowing like it was unbelievable.

1397
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: I was like, oh so that. He's like it's He's like,

1398
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: your brain doesn't work until you start talking, and then

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01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: it's the sharpest thing you've ever Like, you you're the

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01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: sharpest you've ever been when you talk. And I was like, Oh,

1401
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: that's why rappers. He was like, that's exactly why rappers

1402
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: use it. He's like, because it channels this thing. And

1403
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:58,879
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like it also calls the seizures.

1404
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: He's like, that's why I had to stop doing. Yeah,

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01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: it's that fucking d x m m hmm. Fascinating because

1406
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: that's what we're all trying to get too, is that. Yeah,

1407
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: And I think that, um, drugs and the kind of

1408
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: people who can make us feel like we're on drugs

1409
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: are are the most dangerous thing in the world. Um,

1410
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 1: and uh, they're also pretty fun. So go drive out

1411
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: into the middle of nowhere, find a rich, dangerous person

1412
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: and hang out for no more than three hours or so. Yeah,

1413
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna I was gonna say, treat in like like

1414
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: it's like Vegas is three or four days. Treated that

1415
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: kind of person like three or four hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1416
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: And like don't like when when you're hanging around with

1417
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: a tiger, don't turn your back on him. That that's

1418
01:19:53,840 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: they're both wild animals. Yes, yeah, And and if you

1419
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen the Carol Baskins TikTok video, you should probably

1420
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: go do that. So iph he's a fan of the talks.

1421
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to catch on. No, don't

1422
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: don't like to talks like this. Talks the Chinese are

1423
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: opening will Yeah, I don't know. I'm not gonna make it.

1424
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: Although there's an easy one to make. There's an easy

1425
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: one to make. Yeah, they can put that one together.

1426
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: There's enough of that from the racists that I don't

1427
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: need to encourage it. I hate when like I have

1428
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: an idea for like this would be a good joke,

1429
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: but it's not far enough from what racist people like

1430
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: from that, from that kind of humor for me to

1431
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: make it. It's not a racist, but it's my whole career.

1432
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: I know this mouth Yeah, yeah, oh, I've got it.

1433
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: I could sell that got to I can't do it.

1434
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to sell the Yeah. We did eventually,

1435
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: just as a coda to the story of the pedophile

1436
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: who saved me, we did eventually. Um, we we got

1437
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: into contact. So like the next day when we were

1438
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: in town, like the Ia Dante, which is like the

1439
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: assistant bus driver like found us and got the woman's bag,

1440
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: and like I we reached out to her on Facebook

1441
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: that night because we found her info written in the

1442
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: bag and like he got the bag and we assumed

1443
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 1: everything was fine. And three years later she messages me

1444
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: on Facebook like I never saw this message until now, No,

1445
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: no one ever brought my bag to me? Guy, just

1446
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: stole your bag. It was a good time. It was

1447
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: d Yeah, and that's the end of this episode. Um, yep,

1448
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: go Where can people follow you, Billy christ Be Davis

1449
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. Uh if you want to catch where,

1450
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be touring one day uh one day bwd

1451
01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: tour dot com. And then I have a cannabis uh

1452
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: podcast coming out April. It's called Grown Local where we

1453
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: go to the first season's about Eugene, Oregon and the

1454
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: community and people that make up their cannabis excellent. Well,

1455
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 1: speaking of cannabis. A lot of dangerous rich people in

1456
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: the cannabis industry, so hang out in rural Oregon too.

1457
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: It's a great place to meet him. Um, you should listen.

1458
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: This is that I was doing that edit where I

1459
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: was like a couple of them and I was like,

1460
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: oh that, well, we'd that's a different podcast, so I

1461
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: can't talking about that all right. This has been Behind

1462
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: the Bastards. You can find us online up Behind the

1463
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: Bastards dot com. But there's no sources for this episode.

1464
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Just life experience. Um. You can watch Tiger King if

1465
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 1: you haven't yet. It's fun. It's exploited, but whatever. Like

1466
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: I I'm going to rule right now that it's okay

1467
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: to make exploitative TV about the South because of the Confederacy. Yes,

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01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: that's the way we're going on. This has been trying

1469
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: to change the correct perception of the South. Also, I

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01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: guarantee we end up doing it behind the Bastards on

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01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: Jeff Low one day. That guy seems to have so

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Speaker 1: many Oh you wear an Oakley hat like that. Immediately

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Speaker 1: I was like, immediately, yeah, oh my god. Anyways, you

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Speaker 1: can follow us at Bastards pod on Twitter, Instagram, you

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Speaker 1: can follow Robert and I right okay, And you can

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Speaker 1: buy a shirt or a mug or uh waal art

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Speaker 1: or a sticker or a magnet at public dot com.

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Speaker 1: And you can take my again legally actionable advice to

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Speaker 1: hang out with dangerous people in the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: It always ends well. Or if you're board, you can

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Speaker 1: listen to the Women's War. You can do it on

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Speaker 1: the way to where they live, because you're gonna you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be driving ninety minutes or more. Yeah, they're always

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Speaker 1: like and they always talk about like it's a short drive.

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Speaker 1: You need to ask what that means to a lot

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Speaker 1: of people like that. Yeah, you get a lot of

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Speaker 1: direction that tells you to turn its stumps and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Anyways, this is this is the episode. This

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Speaker 1: is done. It's over. Bye bye