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Speaker 1: Every day, a weak.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast club finish for y'all done morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's d j en V just hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club. Lawla Ros

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Speaker 3: is here with us as well. We got a special

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Speaker 3: guest in the building. Yes, indeed, educated brother from the bank.

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Speaker 1: I never liked you anyway, Mistopher William.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad.

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Speaker 2: I'm another light skinned brother and he is.

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Speaker 1: To the writing you. He hates on us all day

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Speaker 1: every day.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate, but I did cheer with Nino Brown.

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Speaker 2: He talked me about it.

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Speaker 1: Reminds me about it all the time. You know, sel

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Speaker 1: Bay has a difficult job. He got the hottest seat

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Speaker 1: in America. How you feel, I'm great, I'm super great man.

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Speaker 1: How you feel everything is good? Man?

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Speaker 4: I don't think people realize how much your voice defined

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Speaker 4: an era. You saying like, like, how intentional was your

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Speaker 4: sound in the New Jack swing movement versus just being

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Speaker 4: a product.

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Speaker 2: Of that moment?

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Speaker 1: It was. It was intentional. I mean, I think we

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Speaker 1: were just trying at the time to fuse My thing

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Speaker 1: was so confusing because you know, everybody categorized me with

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Speaker 1: I'll be sure el the Barge, Chico Shamar, every light

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Speaker 1: skin dude that I had the voice of, uh perceived

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Speaker 1: darkston dude. I sounded like Teddy Pendergrass a little bit,

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Speaker 1: so it was kind of difficult. And I couldn't dance.

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Speaker 1: I'm from the Bronx. I can't even two step, so

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Speaker 1: I my rhythm is in other areas and I just

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Speaker 1: that was the most difficult thing earlier to finding that.

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Speaker 1: And once we got with Stanley Brown and I was

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Speaker 1: able to start honing in on exactly what that meant

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Speaker 1: frequency wise, what it sounded like. We came up with

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Speaker 1: dreaming and songs like every little thing and that kind

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Speaker 1: of like set the pace. And then I came home

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Speaker 1: because first I was signed to a rock label. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't get signed in New York because alb was so

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Speaker 1: hot wow. So I had to go to LA because

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Speaker 1: the similarity was, you know, different, really close, even though

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Speaker 1: we're really different. And I got a deal on a

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Speaker 1: rock label with David Geffen. They treated me like Elvis Presley,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't understand what we make. So I had

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Speaker 1: to come back home to wrestling. Andre didn't have to,

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Speaker 1: but Russell Andre would caught me the whole time, and

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Speaker 1: when I came back home to Uptown and the changes,

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Speaker 1: that's when I think the real defining happened, because if

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Speaker 1: you look at the timeline of my record in my

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Speaker 1: whole career, a lot of it is miscon screwed. Like

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Speaker 1: every dude on that record, from Tony Dopat to Puff

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Speaker 1: to DeVante to Vincent Herbert to Corey Rooney, Mark Morales.

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Speaker 1: Other than Corey and Mark, everybody was basically new and

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Speaker 1: we knew what they were gonna be, and we made

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Speaker 1: My Mama or Keith Sweat's first album, because at that

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Speaker 1: point those were the those were the marks, like you

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Speaker 1: need to make a record as hot as that first

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Speaker 1: I thought we did it, but internally there was just

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Speaker 1: a lot of things going on the Uptown and you know,

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Speaker 1: russ Andre sow We at the time didn't really after

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Speaker 1: the project was made, we didn't see eye to eye.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, our dream was the first guy who saw

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Speaker 1: me as an executive and that lived shortly. It was

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Speaker 1: a short lived thing, and then it was time for

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Speaker 1: me to just move on because I kind of like

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Speaker 1: at that point, I'm from the Bronx and I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about being from a certain environment,

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Speaker 2: Oh, rest in peace to Andre.

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Speaker 4: Andre told me a story one time, man, he said,

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Speaker 4: don't let that light skin in that curly head fool

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Speaker 4: you with Christopher Williams.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he said, Christopher Williams was.

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Speaker 1: I heard your boy tyson on here one day talk.

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Speaker 1: I was like, damn, he.

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Speaker 2: Told me a story one time.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what you was upset about, but you

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Speaker 4: came into the Uptown Records upset and don't I don't

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Speaker 4: they called Andrey.

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Speaker 2: He was on the way to the airport. He said,

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Speaker 2: we'll call the police.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Charlotte

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Speaker 1: Mayne back then, I think it's one of the things

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Speaker 1: his brother sometimes we don't get along. I experienced it

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Speaker 1: great at what you do, and there's a space for everything.

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Speaker 1: But at that time, the rubber had hit the road

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Speaker 1: and it was only my one career, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize how MCA had Andre bent over. For a lack

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Speaker 1: what somebody else is dealing with with their shoes. But

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Speaker 1: I was young then and full of gas, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't I just wanted out, and you know, I basically

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Speaker 1: and make oh my god, they were able to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and make Casey and jojo because you know everybody.

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Speaker 5: You said, make him free.

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Speaker 1: What did you mean to shut it down? Well, there

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Speaker 1: was no more uptown. There was no offices. There was,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a paperwork, that bad deal that

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Speaker 1: Andre had, but there was really no more uptown. The

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Speaker 1: offices were destroyed. There was no uptown, and I think

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Speaker 1: people then saw that there was something wrong and I

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Speaker 1: got all the blame for it. I got crucified for it,

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Speaker 1: that black ball for it. But for me, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: basically for me at that point, it was like I'm

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Speaker 1: getting out my deal. I ain't cuter Kente. I don't

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Speaker 1: know cuter Kentey. There's no cum to Kente in me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a person. I'm not a goone, but I'm a soldier.

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Speaker 1: I believe in fair play. But I'm at a point

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Speaker 1: in my life now and this has happened years ago

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Speaker 1: where I'm about picking my brothers up. Too many We've

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Speaker 1: been taught to knock each other down. Everybody has a

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Speaker 1: gift set, so that that's where I'm at now. So

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Speaker 1: in hindsight, looking back on the Uptown thing, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: open to talking about anything, but I want people to

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Speaker 1: understand that that whole experience in Uptown was dope. Creatively,

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Speaker 1: it was a moment in history that's my favorite and

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Speaker 1: never be created again. Like if we had to just

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Speaker 1: film the meetings on Wednesday, it's comedy for a century

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Speaker 1: of comedy, Like those meetings on Wednesday. I was there

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Speaker 1: when Jimmy Love was yelling at Puff to go get cheesecake,

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Speaker 1: and that re enacted itself again, and that's no dish

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Speaker 1: to Puff I'm just saying, I'm me and Heavy D

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Speaker 1: were like the elder statesman at the label. I was

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Speaker 1: a free agent who came in. Mary and Jodesy Have

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Speaker 1: and father were there, and there were other artists there

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Speaker 1: like Anthony Hamilton, Lord Jamal, Terry Robinson and them who

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Speaker 1: So just like a long story in Uptown. And to me,

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Speaker 1: it is the second greatest black label other than Motive.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing I think I used to call

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Speaker 1: Andre baby Berry because the only thing I think Dre

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Speaker 1: was missing was the fortitude to stand up to make

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Speaker 1: his brand be treated like it should have been treated.

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Speaker 1: Andre's whole deal was cross collateralized. So that's like you

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Speaker 1: guys having a show here and it's successful. You know

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Speaker 1: what your analytics are, and they tell you that your

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Speaker 1: worth is based upon something going on CBS or something.

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Speaker 1: You're like, wait a minute, this is iHeart. We have

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Speaker 1: our own things. So everything was cross collateralized. And that's

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Speaker 1: when I started reading about the business. Not that I

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Speaker 1: out and have a long hiatus, but I truthfully never

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Speaker 1: career would rekindle, like when I saw Charlie Wilson come back.

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Speaker 1: I had just done to play with Charlie. We was

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Speaker 1: him two thousand dollars a week and he had gotten sick.

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Speaker 1: Same thing happened in the Urban Theater with Allie Woodson.

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Speaker 1: he was also going through that and he got sick,

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Speaker 1: people will say, you know, I knew it. You're lying.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know anything. You had no idea. There was

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Speaker 1: no circumstantial evidence that Charlie Wilson return like that. But

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Speaker 1: man can't stop it. It's just your perspective. Prophet Bob

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Speaker 1: Marley said, you only you can free your mind from

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Speaker 1: mental slavery. All the stuff I listen to you guys

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Speaker 1: because again it all relates back to this system that

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Speaker 1: realize this whole thing is a system. The Rothschilds and

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Speaker 1: the Rockefellers created the economy, they created Washington, they created

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Speaker 1: the language, They named us what they thought our name

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Speaker 1: should be. And when you start reading and understanding who

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Speaker 1: you really are and going back to oneself, you find

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Speaker 1: your sister. So I believe that, you know I hear.

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Speaker 1: Like earlier you guys were talking, it's like, well, how

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Speaker 1: do you still have hope? It has to be in,

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Speaker 1: it has to be within, and your perspective has to

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Speaker 1: be yours. You know, it's easy to be a big mac.

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Speaker 1: Anybody could be a big Mac because you look at

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Speaker 1: what's trended and you go, Okay, I'm gonna put two

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Speaker 1: all beef patty special sauce letther cheese, pickles onions on me,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm cool. But do you really feel like yourself?

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Speaker 1: And biblically you could you could relate it to the

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna give you all the gold and

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Speaker 1: the chariots to slay the giant. He was like, I've

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Speaker 1: been slaying giants. You just don't know it. I've been

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Speaker 1: slaying giants, you just don't know it. I come from

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Speaker 1: But now I don't slam with this no more. I

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Speaker 1: and what I mean to the culture, it always touches me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm humble because I really feel the best is

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Speaker 6: Going back to the conversation earlier, were you Andre Herrel?

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Speaker 6: I saw somewhere that Andre was talking about that he

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Speaker 6: was willing to forgive that whole incident of y'all moved forward?

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Speaker 1: Was that true? Yes, it was very true, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: we loved each other. That's that's what hurts so bad.

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Speaker 1: Again when you when it's your brothers, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think all of us. I know you can and ye

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Speaker 1: and I know you can. You grown up where you

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Speaker 1: Wesley didn't pay he got me to go to school.

430
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: So him and thryn Coin was like, YO, you're talented.

431
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: If you stay on this road, you're gonna you're gonna

432
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 1: fuck your life up. And I was having my first

433
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 1: child at the time, so it was important for me.

434
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: I was paying attention. So I wound up going to Purchase.

435
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: While at Purchased, I caught the acting and music, but

436
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: actually through West because I got to watch him do

437
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: a one man play I'll Never Forget This written by

438
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 1: John Williams called The Riven Niger, and I was like, Yo,

439
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: this dude is a super nova. Then he would stop

440
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: doing the play and on Wednesday he was the DJ.

441
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: West was a DJ called West his Best, We's his Best,

442
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: and every Wednesday night of South he would perform and

443
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: he would vogue all night while DJing. So I caught

444
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 1: the entertainment bug there, and I literally at that point

445
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going back to no hustle. I'm

446
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: not going back to no street active, no nothing. I

447
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: was dating and I'm not name dropping. I was dating

448
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: Stacy Dash at the time, I had we had a child.

449
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: I was living and actually I was living forgot about,

450
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: so we were living on eighty Second in York. I

451
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: used to actually wake up every morning and walk by

452
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: Mayor Conscia's house and I would talk to security. So

453
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: all of this stuff was evolving and I was seeing

454
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: my dreams coming true. But at that very summer, it

455
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: was April, it was spring, my best friend Greg Chandler

456
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: was murdered on College Avenue and that changed everything for me.

457
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: It was like, very second, shut everything down, went straight

458
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: to California with Stacey, and that's how I got my

459
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: record deal. I was hanging out one night in Dancy, Terria.

460
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: We were visiting for the holidays, and Stacey had Marissa

461
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: to May and Lisa Bonet and all her girlfriends were

462
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: hanging out. So Michael Rosenblat from Geffen Records comes up

463
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: to me and he's like, who are you? Because I

464
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: got a bunch of fine girls with me, and I

465
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: was like who are you? And he was like, I

466
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: signed Madonna and I was like yeah, and I'm king tut.

467
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: But the truth was he had signed Madonna. I never

468
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: again I never chased a record deal. It was like

469
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: the breadcrumbs of my life. So he says, listen, you know,

470
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: we don't do black music, but I think you're. I

471
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: think you're you know, the son. You got something I

472
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,239
Speaker 1: just need to hear. Can you really sing? Because at

473
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: that point they were gonna sign me sightseeing because really,

474
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: because I'll be sure, because they were like, whether you

475
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: could sing or not, we want to sign you. But

476
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: then I hooked up with Timmy Allen Fritz Cadet to

477
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: old friends who went on to do R Kelly to

478
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: me work with R Kelly and the Backstreet Boys. We

479
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: made a song called Lover Come Back and I forget

480
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: that it's been thirty six years, guys. But we made

481
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: two songs and that got me my record deal, and

482
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: all along I started singing. So the first attorney tried

483
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: to jerk me. Then I went to my aunt Ella,

484
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to correlate the stories. That was the

485
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: only time I ever asked my aunt for help. I

486
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: asked her for legal help how to deal with the

487
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: situation I was in. She referred me to somebody. I

488
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: got a different attorney. Then I made my first major

489
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: record deal with Geffen Records, and they treated me amazing.

490
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: They just did not know black music at the time.

491
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: They had David Pison and Ray Parker Jr. And Jennifer Holliday.

492
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: Those were the acts that were there. And we did good,

493
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: but not great because they did not understand what to

494
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: make on me. So a lot of the producers they

495
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: were coming, they didn't want me dealing with New York

496
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: because they didn't really want me going back to New

497
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: York because of what I was just coming out of.

498
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: So fast forward, we did a little action on promises.

499
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: In the first song, I talked to Myself, which was

500
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: a rip of Bobby Brown's My parajh. So again they

501
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: get me in the office talk to Myself. Ain't even

502
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: on the record, and they're like, you know, they got

503
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: everybody there shooting the spiel. They got the stylust with

504
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: Bobby's pants, the barber who cut Bobby's hair. But I

505
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: was like, I don't I'm not doing that. I can't

506
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: do it. But then they gave me a check for

507
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, and I said, Okay, let's let's go

508
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: sing talk to Myself. So we did that. It was

509
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: a long break. I remember trying to break the record,

510
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: and this is music language. Back then, you had to

511
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: break the record at radio. It took us about fourteen

512
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: weeks to make Breaker. We finally did it and then

513
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, we got something. Then I dropped

514
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: the song I wrote called Promises Promises, which was really

515
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: the pre limb to smile again for Bell Biv Devau

516
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: and I can explain how that happened, but that sort

517
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: of launched my career and kind of separate me. Separated

518
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: me from the other people they will mention me against

519
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: because they were like, wow, based upon what promises is

520
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: the frequency and promises this dude can sing. He can

521
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: sing sing, So Promises hit got my first I think

522
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: it was top five record, and then it moved onto

523
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: New Jack City and the rest was history. I wound

524
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: up reuniting with Wesley, which was really dope. Did Wesley

525
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: get you in New Jack City? Know? Our auditioned with

526
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: Pat Golden won it. But the great thing about it

527
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: was when they told me I got the job. They

528
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: were like, Nino Brown is going to be played by

529
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: a guy named Wesley Snipes, and again this is the

530
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: bread crumbs of my life. I'm like, yo, this is crazy.

531
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: This can't be. And I remember seeing one hundred twenty

532
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: fifth Street in front of the old Floor Shine before

533
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: they closed it out, and we were laughing about British

534
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 1: Walkers not being in style anymore, and he was like, Yo,

535
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: this is gonna be so dope to shoot the movie. Now,

536
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: by the time we shot the movie, my record was

537
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: blowing promises in the first album and my star was shining.

538
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: So by the time we got to shoot New Jack

539
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: they couldn't even put me with the rest of the

540
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: cast because they were knocking my trailer over chasing us.

541
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: It was I was getting the Bobby I'll be Shore treatment,

542
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: And that's what I used to call it, because that's

543
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: what that's why I first witnessed the power of music

544
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: for my own Like I've seen it through Michael Jackson

545
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: and obviously my aunt being Elephant Gerald, but I'd never

546
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: seen it for me in my own eyes. And when

547
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: I saw Bobby and got a chance to be cool

548
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: with him, Oh, when I saw Bobby and got a

549
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: chance to be you know, cool with him, I was

550
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: like the pandemonian he would cause was crazy. Bobby was

551
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: the king and alb was the Prince, and I was

552
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: the Enigma and those times were great, and uh, that's

553
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: kind of how it came.

554
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

555
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: Nah, I mean it's a staple.

556
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: And I mean it's iconic.

557
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 5: It's yes, iconic, cultural and you.

558
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: Know, it's funny now that we're shooting the Book of Aqua,

559
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: it's funny to see that. You know, New Jack was

560
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: originally written by a Caucasian brother. Really, yeah, Dwight, and

561
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: uh they had Barry Michael Cooper rest in Peace Barry

562
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: rewrite it, and Uh, I was originally g money. Really,

563
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: kudos to my brother. I was on Al Hayman's Superfest,

564
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: a butvewise a superfest, and you know, I wasn't gonna

565
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: break my deal with Al for one k Newjack wasn't

566
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: paying like the Superfest, and I wanted the opportunity. But

567
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: I Cassandra Mills at the time, who was my manager.

568
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: She got George and Doug to agree that if I

569
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: did dreaming, she had found the song from Hiram Hicks

570
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: and Stanley Brown. If I did dreaming, could we create

571
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: a character. And you know, I think we all were like, yo,

572
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: there's no five percenters of Muslims or anything like that.

573
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: So they created Kareem Mockbar and that's how I became

574
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Kareem Mockbar. And now thirty years later I wrote the

575
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: book of Ockba, which is so Kareem's coming out to

576
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: fed So at the end of the movie, when the

577
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: tapes were stolen and they were making deals, Kareem actually

578
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: in real time had his own deal, but with the

579
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: real cartel, and he basically took the money that was

580
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: stolen and invested in gold and silver bars and bitcoin,

581
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: which was actually around then but we didn't know about it.

582
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: So Kareem stays ten toes down with the cartel. He

583
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: doesn't snitch on anybody Italians other Mexicans. He comes out

584
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: twenty some years later. He's a made man. But he's

585
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: an interesting character because Kareem is really like Abo Vacari.

586
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: His perspective is to take the street thing and build

587
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: the youth so that we have a different perspective about

588
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: each other. So it's a it's a duel between good

589
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: and evil the whole time. And the young people that

590
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: we got slated. I want Davey used to play Mustafa,

591
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: who's Kareem Mockbar's son. We got a boogie with the

592
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Hoodie slated to play Nico who's the illegitimate son of

593
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: Nino which Kareem raised, and then you find out later

594
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: on it's not really Nino's son. But that's one of

595
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: the twists. Iced Tea is interested in still being Scotty.

596
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: He's now internal affairs, So it's a it's a crazy

597
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: I was.

598
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: Talking about the New Jack City sequel, and everything I

599
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: was hearing was corny.

600
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: But and they waited too long. Like we all in

601
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: our late fifties and some of us in our sixties,

602
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. The geriatric Street you.

603
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: Would have got about thirty years you was deleted, the

604
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: tam you got about.

605
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Thirty Yeah, so we we basically did it like that,

606
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: and the story has so much more Again, this story

607
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: in a hundred episodes will go from what we loved

608
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: in New Jack to a new perspective that's gonna be modern, chemic,

609
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: and it's something that we've not seen on television before.

610
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Imagine a world where we all were who we really are,

611
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: where nothing was taken, nothing was indoctrinated, nothing with nothing,

612
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: no identities, no no anything like really understanding who we

613
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: are and living in real time in it.

614
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: Did you know film in New Jack City that the

615
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: characters in New Jack City were going to be as

616
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: big as they were, Like you're Chris rocksheah, of course

617
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: I see, But I did an actor, Wesley as.

618
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: An actor, g Money as an actor.

619
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: Did you see that, I'm not gonna lie in viall?

620
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. We were having fun. Man. It was like

621
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: you know again for me at the time too, I

622
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: really didn't get the whole gist of the movie because

623
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: I had to be set art it a lot, because

624
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: it was disruptive to the shooting. Like I remember once

625
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: we were shooting at the Carter and our trailers were

626
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: right one hundred and seventeenth Street. They knocked my trail

627
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: over like like literally, there was like we're getting in,

628
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: We're getting in this niggas trail all women. Well, I

629
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: hope so.

630
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: So Keisha daughter.

631
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: No. But but what we do have the guys in

632
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: is there getting the rights is that he has trouble

633
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: sleeping after all these years. He did four years in

634
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: the shoe at different times. And I'll explain why he

635
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: had to do four years in the shoe because Nino

636
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: sent people to kill him. There's a small twist. Nino's

637
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: not dead, okay, Okay, I heard that. So, but the

638
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: thing is, Wesley's never wanted to do another gangster thing

639
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: because even when we were trying to make New Jack two,

640
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: was always West saying, I don't want to do another

641
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. And even though he did the Dependables,

642
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: so I mean, this is a small joke. I don't

643
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: like if you're going to do the Dependables too, So

644
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: we never got to do it. And then the time

645
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: went on and we would hear other things, and then

646
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: all of us were kind of like now. So basically

647
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: the main people are dream Sequence because Kareem is an

648
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: interesting dude. Like his whole mannerisms, he's going to remind

649
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: you of like a cross between Denzel and the Equalizer

650
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: in Abu Bakari, because his forward thinking is like Billy

651
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: Carson or Yaki Awaken. His nutrition is like Aries Latham.

652
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: He's an indigenous dude who's been stripped of everything, kind

653
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: of like Christopher Williams. But through that he's not bitter.

654
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: It makes him better. He gets a different perspective about oneself,

655
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: so he's able to interact with people differently, how he

656
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: takes everything in life different. So back to the original,

657
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go around the block. But that's

658
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: when I died Charlemagne. That's what happened, Like everything became

659
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: precious to me. I literally just started moving this right arm,

660
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: like maybe six months ago. But I was able to

661
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: mock that it wasn't hurting to get my performance going

662
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: again because I knew that it would take building a platform,

663
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: because you have to have a voice. And you know,

664
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of times when things would come

665
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: against me, I wouldn't speak on it because I was like,

666
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: if someone knows me, they know me, they know what

667
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: I stand for, they know what they know the man

668
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: that I am, and as long as my kids and

669
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: my family are straight, the rest is kind of like,

670
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, I can't control that narrative. So you know,

671
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: I got black ball. And again, I never felt the

672
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: chain because I've always been a rebel in a sence,

673
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: and I know that this whole indoctrination is a chain.

674
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if you realize, I mean, but you

675
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: know it was like you know they had to do.

676
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: There was you know, fixed up the crack and coca

677
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: the building.

678
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: So you want me to be one of them?

679
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: One of them?

680
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: Yes, it's a timeless record. What was happening in your

681
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: life when you recorded that record.

682
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: Fun Rock, rock Star, rock Star, Crazy Again. That was

683
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: a time like when me Alan Bobby were hanging out

684
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot and we were just really on some twenty

685
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: two twenty three year old rock star. It was, you

686
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: know again, every day it was feet partner. Everywhere there

687
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: was a feet would partner. They were arching point and

688
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of shit. So we was having fun and

689
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I just was also trying to experience transitioning from the

690
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: Bronx and the life that I was coming out of.

691
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: And people don't realize, like at the peak of my career,

692
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I lost my little brother, my grandmother, and my mother

693
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: back year one one one year after year, so that

694
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: kind of slowed me down a little bit. And then

695
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: when the things from the business started weighing on me,

696
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: and you know, the heartbreak with Andre, I think the

697
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: I think sitting out and going in a hiatus or

698
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: a wilderness sort of like going through the wilderness. That

699
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: was my that was my journey, that was to be

700
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: my thing, and it was a cross that only Christopher

701
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: could bear. I started witness a lot of artists who

702
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: were like, you know, bitter, and I was like, I don't.

703
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. I mean, even with cats my

704
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: age come and do interviews, a lot of times they'll

705
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: be like, well, yo, what do you think about the

706
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: crap that's out right now? I'm like, what are you

707
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: talking about? Chris Brown ain't crap. Her ain't crap, Jasmine

708
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: Sullivant ain't crap, Ellie Mayin crat, some of Walker's not crap.

709
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: These people are young, gifted people, and just like when

710
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: we were coming up, we loved hip hop, or we

711
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: loved what we loved, and they didn't get that. They

712
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: said hip hop was from the devil and that it

713
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: would never last. Fifty years later, the whole world fifty

714
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: two years later, the whole world is honoring it. And

715
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: these brothers who stood for who they really were, are

716
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: not only just icons. Like what do you say about

717
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: the dialogue and prognostication of KRS one. Chris is a teacher.

718
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: He's a better teacher than any Board of Education teacher

719
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: ever history. And no dish to the teachers out here

720
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing. But I remember my

721
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: godson was on his way to Harvard and in ninth grade,

722
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: they were trying to literally pusic persecute Drew because they

723
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: were like, yo, he's cheating. My godson had read by

724
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: thirteen all the bought of education books, so he looked

725
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: at the teacher straight in his face, like, I know

726
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: the lessons you're giving me before you give them to me.

727
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: So this isn't there's no teaching. We leave school not

728
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: knowing taxes or credit. They're not teaching, they're setting you up.

729
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: We go to an institution where the teachers don't know us.

730
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: It looks just like a prison. If you put barb

731
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: wires and somebody on a watchtower, it's basically a prison.

732
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: And then doctrination that it teaches you food wise everything.

733
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: I stayed in the hospital six months. I was with

734
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: a dude, old Kat from Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska. Forget his name,

735
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: honestly because I watched some of it out, but I

736
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: remember him having really bad diabetes where they would come

737
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the morning, take them and you know,

738
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: they take him and get him his treatments and stuff,

739
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: and he was in a lot of pain. But that

740
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: next morning they would bring him high fruit toast corn

741
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: syrup for breakfast.

742
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

743
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, so I pushed back off

744
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: of it. They were trying to give me drugs, and

745
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: it's funny that they're trying to give me drugs. The

746
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: world is calling me a crackhead. I'm fighting for my

747
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: life and I don't even want those drugs. I just

748
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: want to split and goddamn herbs. So again enduring all

749
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: of that and saying, Okay, you got to stand strong

750
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: and have the right perspective in order to go forward

751
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: the proper way, what your path is. So that's really

752
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: what it was about. Man, I just I started not

753
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: this is a society where everybody's looking left and looking right.

754
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: And I tell Christians this all the time. You're so

755
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: worried about what the bottom line is in the church

756
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: or what your pastor you forgot about the work of

757
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: the Creator. You're doing the work of the church. And

758
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: if you really have faith and you have this relationship

759
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: and shit, one, where was he from twelve to thirty

760
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: that shuts the holes, that shuts everything down? Then two,

761
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: if you if you're paying attention to him, why you

762
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: worried about what jay Z got it? You worried about

763
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: what Puff got, You worried what Michael Gate, what Bill

764
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: Gates got you what if you if you paid attention

765
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: to who you were, you were the first to get

766
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: a zillion, but you so enamored with the billion or

767
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: the six hundred million, you ain't gonna get to it

768
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: because we're so busy looking left and looking right and

769
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: having contempt and envy and jealousy and this no pun intended.

770
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: So I had to get out of that, you know.

771
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: And it was important for me to do that for

772
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: me as a man and who I am as a man,

773
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: and for my kids so they could see that music

774
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: don't make me. I make music. I put my pants

775
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: on the same way at thirteen that I do now,

776
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: so no matter the snare or whatever's going on. And

777
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I in doing that, when I came out of the hospital,

778
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: I felt like I was a much better person and

779
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: I see things super clear, and it's just my path.

780
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying I'm right for me.

781
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at today.

782
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: When you talk about the.

783
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 6: Time when you were like a black ball, you mentioned

784
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 6: that your relationships overshadowed a lot of your talent. Yeah yeah,

785
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 6: what from that time of who you were dating? So

786
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 6: you mentioned Stacy Dash also halle Berry was a person.

787
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: I broke up with Hallie because of that. Nothing ever

788
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: happened with me and Hollie. Holly's an amazing girl. I

789
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: heard y'all talking about her earlier, with her staying against

790
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: Governor Nusom, so shout out to my friend, that's always

791
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: gonna be, Sir Rafie. I hope I'm saying that're right.

792
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: They called me Mufassa. So these are characters from the

793
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: Lion King. My son is Simba, my g baby is Copa,

794
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: so she's We've always been friends in that whole thing

795
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: with both Leo's and I always again, I remember Vincent

796
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: coming to me and be like, hey, pal, you listen.

797
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: He used to talk like Burt Pidell. You know, How's

798
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: got a great future in front of right, And I'm like, yeah,

799
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: she got a great future behind her too. So he'd

800
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: be like, but man, you know all the tension in

801
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: your career. Man, you know, you and wrestling, Andrea fighting,

802
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I love Leor, but you know and

803
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: Leor Again, Leo was like, my man, fifty grand Leor

804
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: got me my apartment on Houston Street, and he used

805
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: to live right around the corner on Avenue A or

806
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: B one or the other, I can't remember, but we

807
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: were politics every day and this was a really thriving time.

808
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: But again the heartbreak of before the breakup was so

809
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: the week before I signed the Uptown, Mark Siegel, who

810
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: was at ICM, told me to stop messing with my

811
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: brother Mark Cheatham. Don't mess with the help because Mark

812
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: at the time was getting me all the work. I

813
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: never knew Mark Siegel, after signing the Uptown would become

814
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: the president of my record label when I had signed

815
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: to him being my agency. So now I'm in bed

816
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: with an agency who no longer wants me to work

817
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: because now the agent who signed me is now running

818
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: the record and then the whole dichotomy at Uptown changes.

819
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: So what me and Andre had agreed to I was

820
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: executive producer. Andre saw me because again he saw the

821
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: moves I was making outside of music and just my

822
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: general heart like I always know that giving people opportunity

823
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: is a great thing. Now what they do with it

824
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: is on you, and I have no expectations from it.

825
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: So then I'm free of it. I've sown the seed,

826
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm free of it. And that's not how this business works.

827
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: All of us sitting here. No, that is not how

828
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: this business works. So I've always been, like I guess

829
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: perceived a little different in music. And that was the

830
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: whole come about after when I got out the hospital,

831
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: just saying I'm confident in who I am. I'm a

832
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: better man than I was when I was twenty five.

833
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: And that's evolution. I think we all know are I

834
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: think my daughters grew me up a lot, big shouting.

835
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: My oldest daughter, Chrissy, her birthday was yesterday and she

836
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: just got back from Iceland. She's an oceanographer. She dives

837
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: in the ocean and films. So my daughter's like, you know,

838
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: my kids are blessed. Everything is in a good place. Again,

839
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here at the breakfast club twenty nine years move.

840
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: Why because of your gifts?

841
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

842
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: So I want to about the coma thing, right, you said,

843
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: I know when I'll be sure announced that you were

844
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 4: in a coma.

845
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Your team came out and said it wasn't true.

846
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: True. Well, my sister, Belinda, my sister did we don't

847
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: you know I've never involved my family. You know, it's

848
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: you know again, you're to bring your your family into

849
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: what you already endure. Everyone's not made like that. You

850
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: you have a shield, you have a perspective of who

851
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: Charlemagne is, and you're like, I can deal with this.

852
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: But a lot of people are not built for this,

853
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: and it really affects them. We see that all the

854
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: time with artists. I see artists who are always you know,

855
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: like they're bitter, they're making excuses, and I'm like, this

856
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: is not life.

857
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 7: It is.

858
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: It is a job in a sense now it is

859
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: an art form, and it's dope to be able to do.

860
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: Like when you love something, you don't see it really

861
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: as a job. You get to make money and take

862
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: care of your family. So that's the space I've always

863
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: been in, and you know, I'm just again. My journey's

864
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: been amazing. You know, like any other life, there's been

865
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: ups and downs and challenges, but you know, because of

866
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: grace and mercy, I've always rise to the occasion. And

867
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: I think this comeback for me is going to be

868
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: kind of strange to a lot of people because why now,

869
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: why so long? Why did they roam around in the

870
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: wilderness for forty years before they got to the Promised Land?

871
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: And my company has been called Promise Land for twenty

872
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: five years and my email for my whole life has

873
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: been clw Lyon of Judah. So again, these breadcrumbs have

874
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: all come full circle to who I've become as a person,

875
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: a man and an artist.

876
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: What did Andre Herell seeing you early on that maybe

877
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: you didn't even see.

878
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: In yourself a business man and he took I learned

879
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: a lot from Dre and Russell, I really did. But

880
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: I also learned about the pitfalls of this business, you know,

881
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: I you know again, we had a lot of fun.

882
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: But my approach to fund was different. You know. I

883
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: grew up in a time where you courted women, you know,

884
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: if you liked each other certain you know, look, and

885
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: gave each other whatever. And I got music and it

886
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: was like, okay, they're buying girls. I remember Burt Padel

887
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: used to call me in office be hey, hey, how

888
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: many models made the shopping spree last night? When Russell

889
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: Landre and I'll be like, bro, I don't know, And

890
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: not as a disrespect to them or as a disservice,

891
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: but we were doing the best. People don't realize Russell,

892
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: Dre and the people who had production labels, Dick Griffy

893
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 1: rap a lot these guys went against all odds, even

894
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: Sugar Knight. Death Row was brilliantly formatted. It had a

895
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: bad intent. The heart behind it became bad. The vanity

896
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: became more important than the original mission, which was to

897
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: be owners. I used to see checks and people don't

898
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: really well. Me and me and Eric B were the

899
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: East Coast reps for Death Row. No one ever knew that,

900
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: but it's true. If you check Tupac when he was

901
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: going off in New York, he was like the only

902
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: niggas in New York. After what is Eric being Crystal Williams.

903
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: We opened up a death ro ease and I was like,

904
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: whoa easy bro, I'm from New York. I got to

905
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: go back home. But it never happened, unfortunately, but fortunately

906
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: because there was so much of the same going on

907
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: in Death Row, not respecting dre discounting who Snoop was,

908
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: discounting the artists, the treachery, the beatings, the debauchery, and

909
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: I see the residue of all this stuff, and again

910
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel fortunate that I'm unscathed in it.

911
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I have no malice for

912
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: marrying that sugar Sugar. We were super cool. I remember

913
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Sugar approached my girl at the time. They was at

914
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: some awards and he was like, yo, you know who

915
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: I am. And she was like, yeah, you know who

916
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: I am. And he was like, oh, you want to

917
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: be from New York. She was like, well, I'm here alone,

918
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: but I know I have a man. He was like,

919
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: who's your man? He's like Christal Williams. He was like,

920
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: his whole energy change. He was like, give him my number.

921
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I've been looking for him, but he was being brutus

922
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: until because I really am one of the Titans changed.

923
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: I've just changed. My heart is different, bro, I'm better.

924
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: I want to build my brothers. I want to build

925
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: my sisters. You know what I'm saying. I can't do

926
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: it by myself. It's not my mission. But if one

927
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: person takes that perspective, and each one of us take

928
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: that perspective, then things could change. Now, the important key

929
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: is when this platform comes about and I'm given the

930
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: autonomy to do that, then I got to stay true

931
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: to the mission because that's when the vanity and all

932
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: the crazy stuff happens, and that's when you got to

933
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: be really strong. I mean, it's no different than any

934
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: other person's purpose or journey. We're seeing all the stuff

935
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: that's going on in the world right now. There's no

936
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: apparent reason why this government should be in the shambles

937
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: that it's in. But I've never believed in government because

938
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm well read. The only systems that have ever worked,

939
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: and the history of man is ancient chemic. That's why

940
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: all the names are changed. We call it Africa. That's

941
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: not even the name of the continent. It's not any

942
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: And if anybody doesn't believe me, fact checked everything I'm

943
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: saying everything we are indigenous means what first, It don't

944
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: mean better. But a black woman is the only woman

945
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: on earth who can have every race of kid. That's

946
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: why they sell melanie. That's why it's a commodity. That's

947
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: why they're poisoning us with food. We're obsessed with deities

948
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: instead of truth. Because a man says, I've got so

949
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: much money, and you stand while I'm Bill Gates, I'm

950
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna put peel on your food, and we say, it's

951
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: like when Rockefeller said I'm gonna give jobs to all

952
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: the Negroes. We're like, yeah, and you're gonna work for

953
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: our system and there's nothing wrong with it. We're all

954
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: in this system, but it's finding perspective and balance so

955
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 1: that it works for you and your family or whatever

956
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: you're riding for now. My family stuff is one thing.

957
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: But I've been I've been given an assignment on this

958
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: earth we all have.

959
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: What do you think it is?

960
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: The truth? I think it starts through Ocbar and some

961
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: of the things that I know are true. I think

962
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: that our kids need to be re educated, all kids,

963
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: because there's a severe indoctrination. I mean they spent hundreds

964
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: I could go on and on for a million years.

965
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: Shout out to my brother Terrence Howard. I mean you

966
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: call something multiplication. How can you have three components and

967
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: multiplied like so, if you got three dollars and I say, Charlemagne,

968
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm your big bro, I want to multiply that three dollars.

969
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to teach you multiplication, but you're gonna have

970
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: to give me one of the components to get the

971
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: right answer. You're gonna say that doesn't work for me

972
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: because I had three dollars, I multiplied one times one.

973
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: How does this stay one? How does this stay one?

974
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: There's two components that become one, and that happens in

975
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: improper mathematics, same thing that happens in the church says

976
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: it's powering words. So why do you say civilization? Why

977
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: do you say the word Jesus. The letter J wasn't

978
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: introduced to the human language till five hundred years ago,

979
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: so who was he before that? And this is not

980
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: a disc This is not a disc to Christianity. But

981
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: even when you read where Christianity comes from is from

982
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: the Spanish Inquisition. They went around in the name of

983
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Jesus and murdered people and said you're going to be

984
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: christ And again, don't believe me.

985
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh is it Roman Emperor Constantine?

986
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't believe it? Like again all over the world.

987
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: October is what eight ol cho every language, same thing

988
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: with ten d s dees. Why is December twelfth in

989
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: the calendar? If he's lord at a harvest, why would

990
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: he be born in the middle of the winter. What

991
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: have you ever seen grow in the middle of the winter?

992
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: So how could his birthday be December twenty fifth? And

993
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: we know these things, most of us know these things.

994
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything really new to anybody. I don't know.

995
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: It's warm, but not the harvest season, so you know

996
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: the harvest just left. The harvest would be between September

997
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: October somewhere around and there. But again, it's just again,

998
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: we are taught these things because we're thrown off. That's

999
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: why we're That's why they don't interject sound into healing.

1000
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: Why do you think we love music? The sound heals us.

1001
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: It literally makes us feel a certain way. If I

1002
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: play the record you Love from nineteen seventy eight, you

1003
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: might have not even been born then, but the way

1004
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: it makes you feel never goes away. That's why everything

1005
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: with medicine, they're saying, don't do drugs. What do you

1006
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: think is in the drugs? Opioids, heroin and coke? And

1007
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: from my past life, I'm an expert on it. I

1008
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: know to cut it, mix it, cook it, what you

1009
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: want to do with it. But it's introduced into modern

1010
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: medicine because of the profit. And I'm not even mad

1011
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: in saying it. They're great doctors, some of them help me,

1012
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: but the whole system is broken. We're the The Western

1013
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: medicine treats the case, not the person. How can you

1014
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: take the same medicine for the same sickness and you

1015
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: have a different body, This disease in your cell not sickness.

1016
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: So if you have dissease and the cell, you have

1017
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: to create an alkaline environment to reform the disease. But

1018
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: that's not the approach we take. And I witnessed it

1019
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: for the first time. I should be dead because the

1020
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: three people that were in my room died in that

1021
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: facility in Inglewood. I've been paying insurance since I got

1022
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: a record deal, but because I wouldn't take the shot,

1023
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't get my insurance straight. So I had to

1024
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: pay out a pocket. And I learned all these things

1025
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: and not to be mad or shoot at people. But

1026
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: I feel for humans. We're all in a place like

1027
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: everybody has basic common desires to feed their family, be healthy.

1028
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: You know, what are you putting in our water? Why

1029
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: don't you teach us coconut water and watermelon water is

1030
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: God's water. Why are you teaching us to drink eight

1031
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 1: glasses of twelve glass of water day when you washing

1032
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: all your nutrients out? Why are you drinking water with

1033
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: estrogen in it? And guys are wondering why they getting

1034
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: titties and why they getting disformed and all this stuff,

1035
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: and again you don't got no more. So again I

1036
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: don't say these things like I'm not on a mission

1037
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: to hurt anybody anything. I'm on a mission to heal,

1038
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a lot of people, there's a

1039
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: core people on the same thing. I think internally we

1040
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: all want to but in the daily rigs of life,

1041
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to pay mortgages and rant

1042
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: take care of our kids and loved ones, there are

1043
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: decisions that we have to make to keep continuing. And

1044
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: I've been given a hiatus to really like sit back

1045
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: and the fact that I'm still okay, My kids are good.

1046
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: I never had to go out begging for record deals

1047
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: or any of that kind of stuff, you know, notwithstanding

1048
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: what people have said about me, But those snaires don't

1049
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: bother me. You know. There's been many crazy things said

1050
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: about me, but people know me, know me, and they

1051
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: know my hot what's the craziest thing. I think the

1052
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: thing with Puff might have been the craziest thing that

1053
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: I heard. And again, I'll say this a lot of people,

1054
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people, well Jaguar right allegedly says something

1055
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: crazy about me and Puffy, But again, Puffy is a

1056
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: kid to me, and I even feel for Puff, like again,

1057
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: you got documentary, you got I didn't. I won't because

1058
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: again I just you know, I'm not a dude that

1059
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: you looked it up what she said, right So, allegedly

1060
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: it was said that me and Puffy has some kind

1061
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: of homosexual relationship or something. Right now she said, she

1062
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: said a lawyer walked in right now. Again, we could

1063
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: take two theories at this. Is she still talking? When

1064
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: was the last time you heard from Jaguar right.

1065
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: Every day?

1066
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 5: Online? Something?

1067
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: But I mean it's her, it's her presence, felt like

1068
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: when she's just torturing these A list artists. So again

1069
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: she included me in a little something. I'm not mad,

1070
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: but again, Jean and genas Gene is actually an old

1071
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: friend of mine, and he cleared it up. No, he

1072
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: cleared me up. He was like, First of all, he

1073
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: was like, no, totally, he totally said the opposite. But

1074
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: he got into it a little bit with me because

1075
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: he felt like I was saying like I sunned him.

1076
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: But me and Gene always had respect for each other.

1077
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: I just don't go into those areas. Again, I'm not

1078
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: part of Pop's business. I knew Puff as a kid.

1079
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: I knew Puff who used to run behind Mark Bonds

1080
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: in Washington because again I'm a o G. They were

1081
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: like groovy Liu and all the people uptown they're my

1082
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: little brothers. So when it was said, you know my

1083
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: boys like Willie D and Prince and them, was like, yo,

1084
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: you gotta respond. So I wound up going on Willie

1085
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: D's I don't know if I can say his name,

1086
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm for this one time. I'm a

1087
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: clear air because I was on the time during the

1088
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: cruise and there was a gentleman who I think was

1089
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, he was of the other persuasion. He likes

1090
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: the colors and all that. He was in the front

1091
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: of the audience and I was like, yo, I don't

1092
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: know why he's at the front of the stage with

1093
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: all these girls. We were the times, and he just

1094
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: kept saying he don't want no girls, you know, he

1095
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: kept saying crazy stuff. So I had to stop the show.

1096
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: And again I had to figure out, like you said,

1097
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: not to let my emotions of the momentary disrespect dictate

1098
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: what was going to come out my mouth. So I

1099
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: felt like I cleared it up. But you know how

1100
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: we are, we like we go to wrong. We want

1101
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: to see the lion eat the human. That's human nature.

1102
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: That's why we watched MMA, That's why we watched Tyson

1103
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: crush people. A part of us is carnivorous, and it's

1104
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: partly because of what we've been taught to eat too.

1105
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother long story, but basically we just

1106
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: deflected it by clearing it up. But I think that's

1107
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: the craziest thing because, for one, Puff's always been a

1108
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: kid to me. Again, I was there when Jimmy Love

1109
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: was screaming in his face this close, telling him to

1110
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: go get the cheesecake from Jimmy's when Uptown was in

1111
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and they were getting threatened by Brooklyn dudes. So

1112
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: they were calling us from the Bronx to come down

1113
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: and help them. So Jimmy and then would come up

1114
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: to College Avenue in the Bronx one hundred seventy street

1115
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, YO, were getting pressured, we need help.

1116
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: So again, I wanted to get in music. This was

1117
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: my opportunity, and that's how I met Teddy and al

1118
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: Me and al formed the friendship, and so did Me

1119
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: and Teddy, but Teddy was with Gene Griffin and Jean.

1120
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: I knew Jane in the street through Bill Underwood. You

1121
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: know I'm a young knough, but at the same time,

1122
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm now twenty, so the forty year old was like,

1123
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: he can't handle me. I'm bro don't even do it

1124
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: to youself. So I was like, okay. I was always

1125
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: the champion for somebody getting abused, somebody getting mishandled, and

1126
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: that's how me and Al became friends. And the first

1127
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: thing in my career that experience again was his fame,

1128
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: and I was al stunt double. So Jimmy Love and

1129
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: Andre would send me out one door. The crowd would

1130
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: be like, oh my godness, I'll be sure, and they'd

1131
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: run after me and then they'd take Al out the

1132
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 1: back door. So that was my first just the music,

1133
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: and I wanted to sign uptown, but I realized that

1134
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: was never going to happen. So at the time I

1135
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: was dating Stacy and she was getting gigs. I think

1136
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: she had just done the Cosby Show. And again, because

1137
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: I was in a different kind of business, I would

1138
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: send Stacey to auditions in town cars and she'd be fly.

1139
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: You know, she wasn't missing a beat, she just wasn't

1140
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: as famous as some of the other girls she was

1141
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: up against. And she finally got a movie called Enemy Territory.

1142
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. Kadeem Hardistan, Ray Parker Jr. Anthony Todd,

1143
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: Peter Wise. A lot of old heads were in it,

1144
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: and they were peeking in Stacy's dressing room watching her

1145
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: get dressed. So I'm on College Avenue. She calls me.

1146
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: Me and two of my friends ride down on our motorcycles.

1147
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: Dow Alphabet City shut the whole movie down. So these

1148
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: were things that I had to learn that they were

1149
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: not advantageous to my career, and they were emotional things

1150
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: that I was trying to represent something that really wasn't me.

1151
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: That's honorable, though, you know what I'm saying. But if

1152
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: a woman called you when she feels uncomfortable.

1153
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: And they were caught, they were literally watching her for day,

1154
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: So again I was irate. So again I got blamed

1155
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: for it. But I'm always blamed for a reaction. I'm

1156
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: never again. Oh no, they never filmed again. They never again.

1157
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: You know, I want to ask me when we talk

1158
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: about systems.

1159
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: Right, that's why no one knows about enemy terrorists.

1160
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 4: When we talk about these systems that we know exists,

1161
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 4: how much of this stuff we see? What people like

1162
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 4: puff is learned, behaviors learned, and it's sad.

1163
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: That's why I said, people, people I know, listen, I

1164
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: like you, Charlamagne, a lot of the goofy stuff. I'd

1165
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: be like, man, it's sad that this is because again

1166
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: it's people are looking at you. People are looking at us.

1167
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: And when you have a success story like sugar Puff,

1168
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: it's like you want someone to get it, like you

1169
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: want something to be like, yo, I can touch this,

1170
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: this is tangible, I can do this. But then when

1171
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: you start to have an overflow of negative condenttation from it,

1172
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: it starts to really be like damn, why is Holmes

1173
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: moving like this? But again, I can't dictate or I

1174
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: don't have a real judgment over anything. I have my opinion,

1175
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: like I don't get down with nipple milk, you know

1176
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm just saying I don't get down

1177
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: with that. But at the same time, I'm gonna be honest.

1178
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: I hope that whatever he has to go through, he

1179
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: comes out of it, you know. I hope that he

1180
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: realizes who he is and finds a real path for

1181
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: what he is supposed to be doing with his life.

1182
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: Because he's a Puffs probably the hardest work I've ever

1183
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: seen in music. I don't know if I can say

1184
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: he's the most talented person, but he's probably one of

1185
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: the hardest workers. But again, I knew Puffy the kid,

1186
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't know the Icon, the mogul and all that.

1187
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: So just to say as far as him, man, I

1188
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: hope that whatever he has to go through it because again,

1189
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: we all have nice lives. Imagine having to go to

1190
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: a cell and you got to be around a bunch

1191
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: of dudes all day and he's now learning a new system.

1192
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: Jail is a different life. It's a whole different life.

1193
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: You know, your head gotta be on a swivel twenty

1194
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: four seven. And that money that you can give to commissary,

1195
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: yeah that's cool. But if that ever jumps out of pocket,

1196
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: you got a whole nother You got a whole nother thing.

1197
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: And then it forces you to say, am I going

1198
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: to be the victim? Or am I going to be

1199
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: the animal? And once you join into that, it's over

1200
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: because once you stab a few people and all that

1201
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: your eye and eargates open. You send a boy to

1202
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: ward eighteen. He's not a killer until he sees murder,

1203
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: but once he sees that and he comes back. You're

1204
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: asking this dude to be a civilian, but he's now

1205
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: a murderer. He's desensitized from murder, So cutting somebody's throat,

1206
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: shooting somebody in the face is again this is programmed.

1207
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: And then they make one of these people opposed a

1208
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: child for mental illness. So no, this is what's bredding him.

1209
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: This is what's bredding him. There's no these this government

1210
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: food is left in the urban projects for a reason,

1211
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: they're called projects, and now they're housing authorities for a reason.

1212
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: So again it's not like again I'm not on a mission.

1213
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: These are all things that have been said. We tend

1214
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: to get the popular quota of today. Like everybody thinks

1215
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: health comes from doctor Sabe. No dis to the late

1216
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: great doctor Sabe. But Dick Gregory and people long before

1217
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: Dick Gregory were preaching the same thing exactly, you know,

1218
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: and our four yeah, our Forefather's third Good Marshall, cryptosactist

1219
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: Frederick Douglass. These people fought for our rights. We've been

1220
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: told they were certain things. These were all Republicans. We

1221
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: are the innovative party. All this stuff has been stripped

1222
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: from us, and it's not again, I truly believe that

1223
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: if the shoe is on the other foot, the conditions

1224
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: would not be this way. They wouldn't be this way.

1225
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: We have empathy, we have compassion, and that's how we

1226
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: lost it by trust. Now there are some people like

1227
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: people would argue, well, how did the Again, we're not

1228
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: all from Africa. We're gonna prove that the now rivers

1229
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River. If you read how the river runs,

1230
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: it's the only river that operates that way. So all

1231
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: of this stuff has been turned around so that we

1232
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: feel like we're just with the picture. And that Smithsonian

1233
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: dictates you look at this picture as a black kid

1234
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: with beautiful skin, white eyes, and white teeth, and they

1235
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: got a seated watermelon. Watermelon is the fruit of the gods,

1236
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: but it's depicted to be like you a porch monkey,

1237
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: because I want you to feel like a porch monkey.

1238
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: So I watched sisters in the sixties and seventies feel

1239
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: like Naomi Campbell wasn't fine, so they said she was fine.

1240
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: Beverly Johnson was as fine until they said she was fine.

1241
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: Black is fine. Black has always been fine. So now

1242
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: the light skins are not fine. Me and you ugly.

1243
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: Now we're always fine, brother were now out of pocket.

1244
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: In the nineties we had no presence. Obama splash Brothers. Nah,

1245
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: we're gone. The nineties, well the two but again Obama

1246
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: splash brothers. Where we go. We're all one. Frankie Beverley

1247
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: said it the best way you can say it. We

1248
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: really are one when you get to the truth of

1249
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: it all with one. But we're not treated like that,

1250
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1251
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 6: So I was going to ask before we get away

1252
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 6: from the systems thing and hearing what you're saying and

1253
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 6: you talk about did he being able to like basically

1254
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 6: rehabilitate Do you think being in the system will rehabilitate

1255
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 6: him the way that he should be or should he

1256
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 6: have been there?

1257
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: Only he can free his mind from mental slavery. Only

1258
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: he can. They'll teach him systems. They'll almost make him

1259
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: feel secure that now he's a he's had some Now

1260
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: you got street crag. So they'll pit him into that.

1261
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: And then he's gonna carry the burden of carrying inmates

1262
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: and correcting their lives and giving them opportunities. But only

1263
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: if he leads properly will he do that. The same

1264
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: thing with the Honods Elijah Muhammad. He stands before thousands

1265
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: and thousands of men, millions of men around the world.

1266
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: If they find one single hair missing out of pocket,

1267
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: that's not who he says he is. They're waiting for that,

1268
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: just like they were. They were waiting for Obama. If

1269
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: Obama had it done with Bill Clinton done, oh my God,

1270
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: get a little head in the Oval office.

1271
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 5: Damn right, like like what she just asked you.

1272
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 7: I'm glad that you said it, because he already has

1273
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Speaker 7: like a program.

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Speaker 1: Do whatever to you.

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Speaker 7: It is something like that, like he has like inmates

1276
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 7: can like he's giving him game on something. But you

1277
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 7: can't teach somebody something if you're not well again.

1278
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the church. They say Jesus was

1279
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: a Hebrew and he's spoken Aramaic. He taught Aramaically. What

1280
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: pastor the church you go to can speak Hebrew Aramaic

1281
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: in America.

1282
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Speaker 2: That's not speaking tongues.

1283
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: No tongues. Tongues is the spiritual connection between the Trinity.

1284
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: That's why it's an utterance. That's the words saying. Aramaica

1285
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: is a language. It's in the Middle East somewhere. I

1286
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: don't want to say the wrong thing. But again, the

1287
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: way he taught in his journey was a love journey.

1288
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: That's why I was just in the mountains with Benny

1289
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: Hannon and my pastor. When I was going to church

1290
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: in O six, I met a brother named doctor Dimitri Bradley,

1291
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Speaker 1: who really touched my life because he was a teacher,

1292
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: not a pastor. And we went through the book and

1293
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: I remember one day I pondered, I said, I started

1294
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: looking at all these great moves of God Kendeth Copeland.

1295
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: But even when you look the history of religion, if

1296
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: you have a turn on a religious ceremony from the sixties,

1297
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: you see Billy Grahama saying, if you've seen you die,

1298
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: it'll be burning brimstoning, You're gonna go to hell. How

1299
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: would a gapier loving father talk like that? Would you

1300
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: talk to your kids like that? Would you talk to

1301
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: your kids like that? So, why would a sovereign father

1302
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: talk to his kids like that? Why how would he

1303
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: do that? And if he forgives us for all of

1304
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: these things, as a creator of all things, why would

1305
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: he send us to a master? Would you send your

1306
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: kids to a master? But we do it unknowingly when

1307
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: we send them to public school or we send them

1308
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: to mont we feel like, oh we've arrived because now

1309
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm paying for Montessiri school or private school. We relyed,

1310
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: but now they're just And I learned this by my

1311
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: kids going to Harvard. My children went to Harvard, the

1312
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: biggest systematic joint you can get in. And my son

1313
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: is like, this is garbage because all I am is

1314
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: hired at the top tier of this same farm, the

1315
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: same system that was created in nineteen forty one, an

1316
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: economy by the Rothschilds. And if you go back in

1317
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: history and check the whole families, the twelve thirteen families,

1318
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: the old re God, you'll see all of this stuff.

1319
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: If you look on your birth skill forget, you see

1320
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: you're owned by the Crown Corporation. There is there is

1321
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: a bank account with your name on it with millions

1322
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: of dollars in it that you can never touch.

1323
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 7: My cousin, that's so crazy that you're saying is And

1324
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 7: I be honest. My cousin had tried to tell me

1325
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 7: about Roth's Child's like a couple of years ago, and

1326
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 7: I thought she was crazy, like because she she went

1327
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 7: down a rabbit hole man and she ain't really have

1328
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 7: a lot of friends that me and my cousin like this,

1329
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 7: you know.

1330
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: So was she trying to tell me the stuff.

1331
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 7: I'm not receptive of it because I never heard anything

1332
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 7: about it, and she's trying to teach me, and I'm

1333
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 7: just like, not, like, come on you this thirteenth day.

1334
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 7: This the thirteenth day, you.

1335
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: Calling me about this.

1336
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: So I got other stuff to do. But like she's like, yo,

1337
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: you really need to get into it.

1338
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 7: So to hear you saying it now, you know, I'm sorry.

1339
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: I kept telling her she was crazy.

1340
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, we're all we all are incorporated into this system

1341
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: because again, there's only so much time in the day.

1342
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: We got to get to what we're trying to get to.

1343
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: So again that's why I say I learned these things

1344
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 1: with a clean open heart, not for judgment. I'm not bitter.

1345
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: I understand exactly what it is. But love is the

1346
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: only thing that's going to conquer this thing. We keep

1347
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: searching for a ballot, we keep searching for a savior.

1348
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: And government they're all on the same team. It's all

1349
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: one government. They're all on the same team. Blue, red,

1350
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. When you mix it together, it's purple.

1351
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: What is the significant purple. What does that mean? In

1352
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: the color system of America? They said Prince was weird.

1353
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: It's easy to get to it. It's like the purple

1354
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: was evil. It was some kind of weirdness about it.

1355
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: And people are like, well, where you going with the colors?

1356
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: Everything in this system? Every word? Okay, let's go at midnight.

1357
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: Who can prove midnights in the middle of the night

1358
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: one day of the year. I want somebody to do

1359
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: that and call into the show because it never happens.

1360
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: Who can prove that the word midnight falls in the

1361
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: middle of the evening one day out of three hundred

1362
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: and sixty five years. It doesn't we learn words like civilization.

1363
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: They told they spend four husand four million dollars on

1364
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 1: milk will do your body good. Milk is the worst

1365
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: thing you could put in your body. We're the only

1366
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: mammals who go past suckling from our mother's and our

1367
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: mother's milk is designed for us, not other children. But

1368
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: out when we were taking care of their children, they

1369
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: were drinking our milk. So again, all of this stuff,

1370
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: I call it the porch monkeyism. And it's hard to

1371
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: get out of it because it's covered through everything. We

1372
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: go to church and say we have been given dominion

1373
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: of everything and all therein we are sovereign. How we

1374
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: sovereign getting taxed? And how does our president escape tax

1375
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: because he knows America is a corporation and he uses

1376
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: the corporate law of America to use against America, which

1377
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: we don't. There's a lot of brothers here who sign

1378
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: up to be They get their paperwork, they can't be arrested,

1379
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: they have to go to the embassy. But isn't it

1380
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: ironic that if you take that and become free, you

1381
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: can't own anything. You can't own anything here, You can't

1382
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: own anything in your name. They don't teach us to

1383
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: open up irrevocable trust, to live through trust. They don't

1384
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: teach us that. And then getting to that is like

1385
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: you need an opportunity to get to that. So then

1386
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 1: once you get to it, they're trying to move you

1387
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: so fast through your stardom and your vanity that you're like, oh,

1388
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: I'll catch up later, and then before you know it,

1389
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: you're going through your first tail spin because you didn't

1390
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: stick to what your path is. I always say this,

1391
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: Aini Comosi is one of the greatest artists. I ever met.

1392
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: He got in, got his bread, he robbed them and

1393
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: went back to Jamaica. Here comes a hot step bar.

1394
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm theo lyrical gangster. Give me your money and I'm out.

1395
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: And if you call me to leave you for dead,

1396
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: period Now that's not my approach, but I respect that.

1397
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,440
Speaker 1: He was like, this is such sewage is so bittersweet,

1398
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: because life is sweet, this business is beautiful. We get

1399
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: to watch creatives. That's why in my hiatus, I was

1400
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: able to sit back and be a fan again, like

1401
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: when I was a kid watching Marvin Gay and Luther

1402
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: Vangels and James Enwin. I just became a fan and

1403
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: I was cool with that, and it only sharpened my

1404
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: knife as a creative. And the only person that convince

1405
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: you that is good. It can't be when they say

1406
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: or when you get an award. It has to be

1407
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: before that ever happens. Because again, before you became Charlemagne,

1408
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: who believed you, but you, other than your mother or

1409
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: someone that you had close to you, you believe it,

1410
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: no matter what obscacles were put before you or what

1411
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: things didn't work out. I'm a baseball player. I never

1412
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: care about striking out. I only care about the home

1413
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: run or the triple double, or the walk, the bunt,

1414
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: whatever I gotta do to advance the game.

1415
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 4: Now, I think God gives us all clear visions, and

1416
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 4: at some point, just going through this process of life,

1417
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 4: if we don't stay focused on that vision, God gave

1418
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 4: us the world and just distract us and we start

1419
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 4: seeing all types of other things and start seeing ourselves

1420
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 4: in ways that we aren't naturally.

1421
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: Designed to be. And you're right, and it's a beautiful distraction,

1422
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: because again, who doesn't like stuff? But it's a matter

1423
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: of whether the stuff becomes a deity. And when that happens,

1424
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 1: then we start witnessing again, whether it's Bill Cosby or

1425
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: my brother who I love, Rob Kelly, or my basketball

1426
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 1: nemesis or a puff or Russell. Don't we see the signs?

1427
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: Shug Yo. We used to have an office. We called

1428
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: it the Red Room at Death Row. This dude had

1429
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: publishing checks. I think the lowest check was two hundred

1430
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: and eighty grand Wow. And it was a wall full

1431
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: of publishing checks.

1432
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 2: Are you the reason that he was gonna sign Jodasy

1433
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: and Mary J.

1434
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: Blige? Yes? I brought Javonte, me and Eric b not

1435
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: just me, Me and Eric Be and again, I'm sorry

1436
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: it happened. I was you know what's funny, Charlamagne the

1437
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: Knight that Tupac got shot. Me and Eric B and

1438
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: Snoop's uncle got together and we were like, we ain't

1439
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: going to Vegas because we can literally feel you ever

1440
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: been in a room that's so thick. We of course,

1441
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: we never thought it would be Pac dying. But I

1442
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: always say this, like, Yo, my nigga, y'all killed hip hop.

1443
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: You killed Biggie and Pac. Imagine if those brothers were

1444
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: making cop movies together, or making filmed or did a

1445
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: record together. Imagine if Michael Whitney and Prince were here

1446
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: to unite, the whole world would listen to something united

1447
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: with those three people involved. Who is y'all you said

1448
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,520
Speaker 1: y'all killed big Whoever was behind all of this nonsense

1449
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: about hating each other? And I don't mean us here,

1450
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to generalize it, but I don't

1451
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: know as a fact too. Of course I have an

1452
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: idea because I know a lot of stuff. But again

1453
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: today I don't know where snitching comes from. There's honor

1454
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: and being a snitch. Now young business on ig snitching

1455
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: on themselves I'm like, where do they get this unmanly behavior?

1456
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: And they think this is hot and it's a setup

1457
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: because again they're like, listen, that money you pull out

1458
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: on the table, that's all you got. You don't even

1459
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: know how to make that money work for you. It's

1460
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna work actually against you. So that's what a lot

1461
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: of ocbars about too, is like I want young kids

1462
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: to see like, yo, instead of getting a fight and

1463
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: killing each other, let's get in a fight and be like, yo,

1464
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: I took it twenty thousand dollars and I put it

1465
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: in a roth. Ira F you, nigga, damn f you what.

1466
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: Somebody goes to jail for twenty years, they come home

1467
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: to eight hundred million dollars. They ain't got to ask

1468
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 1: nobody for nothing. You ain't got to be supreme asking

1469
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: people like yo, I need you to put me back on.

1470
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: You're already on, because obviously you are a smart businessman,

1471
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: just in their illegal business. Right saw that and trading places.

1472
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: We saw a bomb depicted as Eddie Murphy who outsmarted

1473
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: the Wall Street cats the system, and they laughed so

1474
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: trucklingly as they done it until they were broke, because

1475
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: that's their deity what they stole. They didn't earn nothing,

1476
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: they stole it, and then they make us feel like

1477
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: we're half we're nothing, we're less y'all trying to get

1478
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: to our bag. No, we're trying to get what was ours.

1479
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 1: And we're dealing with this mentally because we're out of alignment.

1480
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: So I feel for Puff and r. Kelly and these

1481
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: people because again, imagine going from living in Florida in

1482
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: his house or living wherever his homes are, to living

1483
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: in a cell. He can't even die is here Joe

1484
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: can't even get them, no color, no doubt. But again,

1485
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: like you said earlier question, charloam Mane, I wonder if

1486
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: sometimes if it was sexy or there were depictions of

1487
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: of men who are trying to build men up respect women.

1488
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I've come from that my whole life.

1489
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying I had to get over that, even spreading

1490
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: myself then as a young person, I don't do that

1491
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: no more. I'm looking for one good one or maybe two,

1492
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: but a big shot.

1493
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 5: The life.

1494
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we do have a character that would

1495
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: fit you. And I'm really a fan, just like for real,

1496
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: I've seen your comedy I never I was at your

1497
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: show in Detroit, and I never said I was in

1498
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: the building. I just was. I wanted to see you

1499
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: do your thing. And I was like, funny as hell.

1500
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: It's hard to be funny when you're sexy. It's hard

1501
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: to be funny when you're sexy because it's not.

1502
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: Mentioned.

1503
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he got one. Wednesday, we were talking out Doc,

1504
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: I call him Doc. Doc used to rap. So his

1505
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: testimony was like he was in the street. They were

1506
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: getting ready to serve him with twenty five years, and

1507
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: he said he had been in Church's whole life. The

1508
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: first time he ever got on his knee and he prayed.

1509
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: The next day he went to go get sentenced. Everything released. Wow,

1510
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: he made a covenant with the creator, and he says,

1511
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: I didn't make a promise. I made a covenant. There's

1512
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: a difference. Just like words of power. They had us going,

1513
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: we'll give you liberty. You know what liberty means. I

1514
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: give you niggas permission. That ain't freedom, that's liberty. So

1515
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: he taught me what that spiritual freedom was. Even though

1516
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: it was through a system that wouldn't work for me

1517
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: per se, it doesn't mean it doesn't work for other people.

1518
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: But I had to give back to the grail of everything,

1519
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: where we come from, who we are, what these lands

1520
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: really mean, Like you know, telling us that ten thousand

1521
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: slaves built pyramids and all that weird ood stuff. All

1522
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: that stuff is just indoctrination and its lies, and it's

1523
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: not to be hated, but it's to be basically ascertained

1524
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: in oneself and then find the balance in it. And

1525
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: how can you get to a place where your life

1526
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: can be enriched so that you can enrich somebody else's life.

1527
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: That's really what's about so limited freedom, justice for all?

1528
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: What is it free? I don't like it because it

1529
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: does do I mean? Have you felt free your whole life? Honestly?

1530
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe inside, but when you see the parallels of

1531
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: people and the fact that your acts to cast.

1532
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: If we're wearing an oppressive system.

1533
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: But I've always felt, well, see, that's the power of

1534
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: what's in you. And that needs to be something learned

1535
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: by people. Especially we see all these kids going through

1536
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: mental health. They've got to be spoken into because a

1537
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: lot of what's being spoke into them is like, Okay,

1538
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: we'll fix you with add or that you take this drug,

1539
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: you take that drug, you take this drug. It's not

1540
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 1: helping anybody. It's just going back into a system where

1541
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: drugs are still the most powerful entity, along with hair

1542
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: care products, land value and all these different things. And

1543
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: these are the things that we are less involved in.

1544
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: They're all in our communities, but we don't own any

1545
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: of it. So that's a strength that you have that

1546
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: maybe just in that needs to be taught to some kids,

1547
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: because young black men are struggling with who they and

1548
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: having the confidence say yeah, I see all this like

1549
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: we're acts to cast a vote. You know what cast

1550
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: means witchcraft? No, I want you to cast something a vote.

1551
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: Who here is pleased with any votes that they've made

1552
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: in the last since they were adults. That's something that

1553
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: is an uncomfortable conversation because there's all these systems in place,

1554
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: the Blue against the Red, the House against the Senate,

1555
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: but it's all the same team. Every brick in DC

1556
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: is an indoctrination of slavery. Every brick, every done that's

1557
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: houses kids that are being destroyed under the Getty Museum,

1558
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 1: in all these places. This can't go on in humanity.

1559
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: So again, music is a soother. So if I've been

1560
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: given the gift of music, and my music does something

1561
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: for people. My music usually makes people feel romantic or

1562
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: feel good. But while I'm going in my journey, I

1563
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: gotta be real about what I am in the music.

1564
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: We don't. We become this thing because of vanity and

1565
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: success and money, and it becomes a deity. But like

1566
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: somebody mentioned Bruce Lee earlier, what did he say? Numbers

1567
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: are what infinite? So you could chase numbers forever. You

1568
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: become a billionaire. I guarantee you want to be a trillionaire.

1569
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: You become a trillionaire, I guarantee you want to become

1570
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: a zillionaire. So you could go on and on and on.

1571
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: But you're chasing a number and there's only nine numbers

1572
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: in the whole number system. Other than that, it just

1573
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: goes another another, but it's only zero to nine. Those

1574
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: are the only numbers. So we've been taught time is wrong,

1575
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: our mathematics are wrong, the power of what we speak

1576
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,759
Speaker 1: out of our tongue is wrong. So we're up against

1577
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And then we're going, well, why

1578
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,799
Speaker 1: do I feel off? Why am I mentally depressed? Because

1579
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: this is the crap that we've been served up and

1580
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: we believe it.

1581
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: We're not in the by alignment.

1582
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 6: No.

1583
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 7: So when you bring it all back to music, everything

1584
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 7: that you're saying, right, it is perfect for your album

1585
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 7: War and Peace because you teaching through your music.

1586
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: Ye, War and Peace, and because this Phy and Watch

1587
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: one piece, and I think that it's really a perfect

1588
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 1: depiction of we try to assimilate. Especially with a Christopher

1589
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: Williams record. I think me and Vince and Vince sees me.

1590
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: He knows how to simulate who I am as a

1591
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: man and the message in my music. We're not taking

1592
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: the romance or the good feeling out the music, but

1593
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: there's a simulation in each message. War and peace, who's

1594
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: gonna win Peace? But we're gonna show you the War

1595
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: two because we got to keep it a buck. We

1596
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: gotta keep it real. We have to show you that

1597
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: these challenges in a relationship assimilate the same way as

1598
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: the challenges in life. And you'll hear that in the music.

1599
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: I think good Enough is a perfect example that it is. Basically,

1600
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: I just want to I hope my best is good enough.

1601
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose your love. It could be

1602
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: Aero's love, it could be child love, it could be

1603
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: brotherly love. I don't want to lose your love. And

1604
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: it's hard for black men to say that, like I

1605
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: love Charlamage. When I was coming in today, you know,

1606
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: my friends will brob like yo, you know he's gonna

1607
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: attack you, He's gonna get you. I'm like, I'm like, damn.

1608
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: His reputation proceeds again, and you you got to have

1609
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: an experience with somebody to say listen, and I go

1610
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: into it open heartily. Even if there was a conversation

1611
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: here that wasn't so positive, we could agree to disagree

1612
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: to talk you about the stuff. Well, I'm open to

1613
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: talking about it again. A lot of it again is

1614
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: the same contempt, jealousy. And this man is successful. People

1615
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: hear his name every day. People know people know you,

1616
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: not even from here, people know you from different things.

1617
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,520
Speaker 1: You're not just a comedian, You're not just a personality.

1618
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: You're a lot of different things. So people get a

1619
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: preconceived notion, just like I've heard people walk up to

1620
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: me and be like, I thought you'd be arrogant. Why

1621
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: because I'm light skinned. If anybody should be arrogant, it

1622
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: should be Sidney Poitier. Absolutely, have you seen pictures of

1623
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: his name we heven twenty four years old and no more.

1624
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: But none of that. Yes, but the talent him and

1625
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: Harry Belafonte should be arrogant. Yeah, God bless their souls.

1626
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: And again big shout out to his daughters. I went

1627
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: to purchase with his daughters. So again all these bread

1628
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: crumbs from a little dude from eating wall projects. So

1629
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:42,839
Speaker 1: I've been blessed.

1630
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 7: Is it a song on an album called bread crumbs?

1631
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 7: Because you love saying bread crown it?

1632
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 5: Well?

1633
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Funny day. The other day, Vincent was

1634
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: having a conversation and I said rebirth. He wrote a

1635
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: song rebirth him was sick Pit.

1636
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 3: Food A long way man, This is good enough. The

1637
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: other song, the other song you mentioned all the time too.

1638
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 3: We can get that song too, Vince, what was the Gentleman?

1639
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: Is it?

1640
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 5: What is it?

1641
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: That's a great record.

1642
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 5: But this song called Gentleman is incredible.

1643
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: Christian mentioned.

1644
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 5: We can't.

1645
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 8: He's he has Divante on the album Swiss Beats, Troy Taylor,

1646
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 8: Troy Oliver, Brian Michael Cox, who else, Belly Sick Pins,

1647
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 8: Sean Garrett, Rico Love just incredible. This guy's voices forhen

1648
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 8: you know.

1649
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: Again, one thing again, I get a kick out of it,

1650
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: because again I get a kickout of events because again

1651
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: I met him when he was fourteen years old. So

1652
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: again to watch him go through this whole gamut and

1653
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: to me beat again, we don't little get to see

1654
01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: like a black Man Usher the greatest, one of the

1655
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: greatest white artists ever, one hundred and.

1656
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 8: Seventy million albums today, black man from King Jersey, pop

1657
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 8: star in the world. No, but it's a blessing. Like

1658
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 8: Chris don't believe in me. I don't meet him at fourteen.

1659
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 8: He doesn't give you my first thousand dollars ago in

1660
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 8: the studio. I never meet none of you guys. I

1661
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 8: never meet Gaga. None of that never happens. But this

1662
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 8: guy believed in me and saw something in me. And

1663
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 8: I'm like, all I'm not is paying it for he

1664
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 8: believed in me. You gave me an opportunity when no

1665
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 8: one knew who I was. Like I fell in love

1666
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 8: with Edgeward, I fell in love with a bmw all

1667
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 8: because like you said, we learned from our you know,

1668
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:33,959
Speaker 8: our people.

1669
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 5: In our behavior to be around and I just.

1670
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: Shoes white.

1671
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 8: But no, now I'm able to make this great album

1672
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 8: wh him like this is probably the best R and

1673
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 8: B album I've ever made in my life. WHOA Like,

1674
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 8: it's that really good? And even that he talked about

1675
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 8: the thing for book, I just to give you guys,

1676
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 8: I just brought Tomaino on and Ta Main's gonna be

1677
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 8: the musical supervision for the for the bookwat.

1678
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 2: And you definitely definitely got so you already sold the show.

1679
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we gotta deal right now, HBO.

1680
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 8: Come on, Wow, I don't want to sugar cread congratulate

1681
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 8: HBO and me and Chris are executive producer and producer

1682
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 8: there together and the people they're just it's just a

1683
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 8: beautiful time to be able to do this with people

1684
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 8: that have done something for you in your life, like

1685
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 8: uplifting each other and supporting each other. Like that's just

1686
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 8: like when I talk to Jermain about these events. Of course,

1687
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 8: whatever you guys want to do, I'm just happy to

1688
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 8: have the Jamaie never did a music supervision for any

1689
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 8: project in his life.

1690
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 5: Wow, there's all these hits. He's there and made all

1691
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 5: these records and it never did me.

1692
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 8: But we don't get that opportunity because we don't look

1693
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 8: at each other to help each other. It always goes

1694
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 8: to the other side, and it's like I made Universal

1695
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 8: three billion dollars with Gaga. I got to make sure

1696
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 8: this time I'm incorporating my people, you know, and making

1697
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 8: sure that they're able to get a bit because when

1698
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 8: I met her, she was got dropped from deaf Jam.

1699
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 8: They gave me two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to

1700
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 8: make an album. I've signed two x that day, and

1701
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 8: the spent eight million dollars.

1702
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 5: In the other girls. There were three little white girls,

1703
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 5: and we so one hundred and seventy million dollars a.

1704
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 2: Day, and those three white goes you don't even hear

1705
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 2: from them.

1706
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 8: Jimmy wanted to make the album. He spent eight million dollars.

1707
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 8: I don't know what you know but that and then god,

1708
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 8: Guy's nominated. It's a fifth time getting nominated for how

1709
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 8: many years. It's just like before my son was born.

1710
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 8: So now it's just like thirteen years later. It's a blessing,

1711
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 8: and it's a blessing for me to be able to

1712
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 8: do this with Chris and really make this project, the

1713
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 8: TV show, the movie, the music, the albums phenomenal. He

1714
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 8: sounds unbelievable, like people like write our people off and

1715
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 8: we don't pay attention. But this guy voice is unmatched.

1716
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 5: It is really, really really spress good enough.

1717
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 7: His voice is you don't want to do good in

1718
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 7: the Chris, you gotta cut the I'm so crazy. And

1719
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 7: the fact that you shouted out the artist her, right,

1720
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 7: that's what he said. When the be drops in good enough,

1721
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 7: it reminds me of her damage right And and like

1722
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 7: you said, like that was the second artist that you

1723
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 7: said out your my best I love her.

1724
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm not just because the name is her. Jeannegize and

1725
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: Sullivan all a lot of young people man like Bruno Mars,

1726
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: Andy Pack. We steal a movement. Our culture still in

1727
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: good hands musically. I think the people in my generation

1728
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: got to understand they don't make what we make. It's

1729
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: for us to fuse into being relevant today and not

1730
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: being afraid to be new. You don't get stuck. Like

1731
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: youth needs wisdom, wisdom needs innovation. So when you take

1732
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: youth out of your life, or you take elderly out

1733
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: of your life, there's a part missing that our ancestors

1734
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: are speaking to us right now. That's why they rolled

1735
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: all those the stuff they wrote in those caves and

1736
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: it's still significant thousands and thousands of years later. They

1737
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: gonna try to explain how the pyramids and Antarctica are

1738
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: popping up right now. They're gonna lie about that. We

1739
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie about.

1740
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 5: This new music.

1741
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: Look forward to this new act from y'all.

1742
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: Man.

1743
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: Congratulations right crazy with this this this TV.

1744
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: We get that out there. It's good way, good enough.

1745
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 2: It's the breakfast Club.

1746
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: Good morning.

1747
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 4: Hold every day a week ago, clicks up the Breakfast Club.

1748
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: You're finish for y'all done