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Speaker 1: that can play the football. Tyrone Matthew obviously comes into

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Speaker 1: the mix there and as Uh has really become the

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Speaker 1: leader of that football team on the back end, brilliant,

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Speaker 1: brilliant fit there. Um, we go to the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: we talk about that defensive front. That's where the this

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Speaker 1: team is really built around two things I would say,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan scheme offensively and the personnel they have on

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Speaker 1: the defensive line and them And the biggest piece of

439
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Speaker 1: that defensive line was their new addition this last year

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Speaker 1: in Nick Bosa. With these Nick and Pig. In the

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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen NFL Draft, the San Francisco forty nine

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Speaker 1: are selected Nick Bosa, So Buck, I mean, we've already

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Speaker 1: touched on it, but that was a little bit of

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Speaker 1: luck involved there, right. You know, unfortunately your quarterback gets hurt,

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Speaker 1: but then it puts you in a position to get

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Speaker 1: somebody in a Bosa And you also have to think

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Speaker 1: about the fact that it was the right move in hindsight.

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Speaker 1: But surprised us when when we learned that the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were gonna go back to back quarterbacks, uh taking

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray after having already taken Josh Rosen. If they

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Speaker 1: stick with Josh Rosen, then they take Nick Bosa. Um

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Speaker 1: and the forty Nights really would have lost out. So

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Speaker 1: it it benefited them that the team inside their division

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Speaker 1: went quarterback back to back years. Yeah, surprising pick by

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. At that time, they had just expended

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Speaker 1: a top pick on Josh Rosen. We thought Josh Rosen

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Speaker 1: was going to be the quarterback of the future for

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Speaker 1: their waching change, Cliff Kingsbury, Cayler Murray. It just worked.

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Speaker 1: That allowed them to get maybe the best player in

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Speaker 1: the draft at the number two overall pick, and it

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Speaker 1: kind of changed what their defensive front looked like. And

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Speaker 1: you talked about this team being built on Kyle Shanahan's

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Speaker 1: run game in that scheme and a dominant defense were

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Speaker 1: the one thing that we know over the history of

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Speaker 1: the league, those two things typically put you in the

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Speaker 1: position to get close to get into the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And so dominant run game, a disruptive defense, if you're

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Speaker 1: sprinkling a quarterback in there like they have in Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: that is the recipe to get into the Final four.

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Speaker 1: And more times than not, if you get enough cuts

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Speaker 1: at at at the plate, you're gonna eventually not went out.

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Speaker 1: They have certainly knocked it out of the park with

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Speaker 1: their combination with the run game defense and have the

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Speaker 1: quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo. All right, let's get to these, uh,

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Speaker 1: these general managers here. Brett Veach Um for the for

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chief, someone that I worked with there

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Speaker 1: with the with the Philadelphia Eagles. Brett is a great guy, high,

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Speaker 1: high energy, UM, very passionate about what he does. Somebody

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Speaker 1: that had started out kind of as his Coach Reads

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Speaker 1: kind of coaching intern, really was just kind of there

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Speaker 1: for him. Anything that Coach Read needed, Uh, that was Brett,

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Speaker 1: and he took care of him. And I think that

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Speaker 1: relationship between the two was big. And I also think

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Speaker 1: just having been around Coach this entire time during his career,

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Speaker 1: he knows exactly what they're looking for in their scheme,

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Speaker 1: what plays for them, what personality traits they like. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, Coach Read, I've told this story before. You

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Speaker 1: to always say, every player that you draft or sign

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Speaker 1: does one of two things. They bring energy to your

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Speaker 1: building or they suck energy from your building, and they've

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Speaker 1: done a good job. You look at guys like the

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Speaker 1: Honey Badger, Uh, look at Pat Mahomes and his energy

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Speaker 1: that he brings. UM, even you know, bringing over Shady

494
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Speaker 1: McCoy to get him back plugged in again, even though

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Speaker 1: he's not what he was. They've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys with a lot of energy and a lot of spark.

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Speaker 1: Kelsey his personality, think about how much energy he brings. UM,

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Speaker 1: So they know what they're looking for. And I think

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Speaker 1: Brett Veitch in this role helping Andy read through this process,

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Speaker 1: I think that relationship is very important. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it is very important. I think I think it's great. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we're seeing a shift and the way that teams

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Speaker 1: are building their front offices. Uh. And as as always cyclical,

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Speaker 1: it used to be uh, the general manager, we get

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Speaker 1: in place and then you were hired the coach and

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Speaker 1: they were kind of getting a lockstep. We're seeing more

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Speaker 1: teams now have the coach that then finds the personnel

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Speaker 1: man they did desires so they can kind of work together.

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Speaker 1: I think that the beauty of what the Kan City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs have done with Brett Veach and Andy Reid is

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Speaker 1: because Veach served as maybe the assistant to Andy Reid.

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Speaker 1: He really knows what he wants. They are kind of

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Speaker 1: in unison and in lockstep in terms of players, style

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Speaker 1: of play, what fit, what works, what kind of guys

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Speaker 1: would be ideal Chiefs, and I think we have seen

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Speaker 1: them kind of do it now. I would give John

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Speaker 1: Dorsey a typical hap because he did a lot of

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Speaker 1: kind of like the foundation stuff for Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: this team. Brevett Brett Veach is taking it to another level.

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Speaker 1: And it's really the benefit of guys being to have

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Speaker 1: the steady dialogue, guys having the kind of trust and

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Speaker 1: commitment in the accountability to go back and forth. Um,

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Speaker 1: It's has been a perfect marriage for the Kansa City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and Brett Vach has done a great job of

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Speaker 1: quickly coming up, climbing up the tree, but really given

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Speaker 1: Andy Read exactly what he wants to kind of build

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Speaker 1: the team that he he envisions playing and dominating in

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Speaker 1: the a f C. No doubt. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: very good relationship there. And we flip over to John

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Speaker 1: Lynch and the forty Niners. I want to roll a

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Speaker 1: couple of bites here because one is an example of

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Speaker 1: John Lynch and his intelligence as a player. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: second one is going to go into his taking over

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Speaker 1: as the new general manager of the forty Niners. So

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Speaker 1: let's roll those clips. Don't let him pull you with

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Speaker 1: this pump we get to our landmarks up that let's

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Speaker 1: threaten first down China from the forty five and pump

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Speaker 1: fake and look you do us right thought Joe right something,

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Speaker 1: Dexter Jopson forty fifty, he's forty five, Jacks Jecksons two decks,

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Speaker 1: tex Our telling matters, it's not gonna safe. Text right

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Speaker 1: before the staff, it's gol right coming at you from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network newsroom with breaking news. Former safety and

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Speaker 1: Stanford along John Lynch has been named as the new

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Speaker 1: general manager of the San Francisco forty Niners. And with

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Speaker 1: that being said, let's now turn our attention to rap

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Speaker 1: sheet Ian Rappaport. Now, Ian, word on the street is

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Speaker 1: that his deal of the six year variety? What more

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Speaker 1: can you tell us about this? Yeah? The forty Niners

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Speaker 1: had two second interviews this week with general manager candidates

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Speaker 1: Terry Donnie You of the Arizona Cardinals and George Payton

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Speaker 1: from the Minnesota Vikings. But there was always a third candidate,

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Speaker 1: a mystery candidate who would only agree to take part

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Speaker 1: in the interview process if his name remained completely secret.

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Speaker 1: And we now know that candidate was John Lynch, the

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Speaker 1: former Broncos great and of course the Fox analysts, who

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Speaker 1: has spent a lot of time over the last week

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Speaker 1: trying to get out of his Fox deal, several complications

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Speaker 1: with that. Out of nowhere, John Lynch expected to be

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Speaker 1: named the fort general manager. So Buck, you can tell

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Speaker 1: from that first bite there, um, just his awareness knowing

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Speaker 1: exactly what was coming in that Super Bowl, telling Dexter

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Speaker 1: Jackson to watch out for the pump fake, which led

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Speaker 1: to an interception there for Jackson. Uh. Sometimes there's players

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Speaker 1: that just seem like a natural progression, you know, with

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Speaker 1: just their intelligence and the way they play on the field.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention um having been a part of great

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Speaker 1: teams and knowing what great defenses specifically look like. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think John Lynch was a great fit here, absolutely

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Speaker 1: great fit. Didn't really know obviously because he's coming from

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Speaker 1: the TV booth to jumping into the front office, so

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Speaker 1: there was a huge learning curve. But here's what I

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Speaker 1: will say about John Lee John Lynch and what I

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Speaker 1: really like about what he did with the front office.

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Speaker 1: In the front office, he wouldn't got a lot of experience.

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Speaker 1: He got guys who had done the job, guys who

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Speaker 1: had done it Martin May who comes over and helps

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Speaker 1: out Adam Peters coming over from Denver. When I look

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Speaker 1: at their pro department now they have Ran Carthon, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they have some other experienced guys kind of doing very

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Speaker 1: very critical job ops in the scouting department. And what

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Speaker 1: Lynch has done is he's been able to be very

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Speaker 1: very uh self critical and understand his own strengths and weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of uh and locks up with Kyle Shanahan. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan kind of sets division for how he wants

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Speaker 1: the team to operate. But then John Lynch can kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about like what players smell like, what they

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Speaker 1: feel like, what it should be like. Based on his

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Speaker 1: experience as a player and being around great organizations, first

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Speaker 1: with the Tama Bay Buccaneers, then with the Denver Broncos,

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Speaker 1: I just believe all of it coming together has really

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Speaker 1: helped the San Francisco Ford and Honors build this team

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Speaker 1: and a team that looks like it's built for the

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Speaker 1: long caul and the ownership group deserves a lot of

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Speaker 1: credit for one making themselves be patient with this six

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Speaker 1: year deals for Shanahan and Lynch. They weren't able to

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Speaker 1: pour the plug on the experiment early, they had to

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Speaker 1: sit and wait forward to grow. And because they were

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Speaker 1: forced to sit and wait, John Lynch Kyle Shanahan had

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Speaker 1: the luxury of really being able to build this team

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Speaker 1: in the image that they saw would be best suited

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Speaker 1: for long term dominance and winning. It's all worked out,

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Speaker 1: but I give John Lynch a ton of credit for

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Speaker 1: being able to carry some of the experiences from the

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Speaker 1: field into the front office and have success. Two things

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Speaker 1: you said there Um that to me are interesting talking

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Speaker 1: about the patients, um getting guys that are on the

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Speaker 1: same page and then having patients giving them those six

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Speaker 1: year deals to let this plan unfold. And I also

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Speaker 1: think what you mentioned Buck talking about Martin Mayhew's presence there,

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Speaker 1: Adam Peters ran Carthon, it's more of that baseball approach.

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Speaker 1: In other words, John Lynch is humble enough to know

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Speaker 1: what he doesn't know where I still has to learn

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Speaker 1: and grow and in a new role for him having

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Speaker 1: not been in personnel, So to have a team of

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Speaker 1: guys that can help you collectively make good decisions, John

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Speaker 1: Lynch then being able to take all that information in

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Speaker 1: a work with Kyle Shanahan to come up with the

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Speaker 1: best decision I think is the way to go. I think, look,

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Speaker 1: you can look at Bill Belichick and that is the one,

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Speaker 1: one example, one shining example of you could say, okay,

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Speaker 1: that is a one man band that he can do

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. That is very rare and unusual to me.

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Speaker 1: I've been an advocate of this baseball approach where you

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Speaker 1: have a five six man leadership team, um, put all

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Speaker 1: your strengths together, cover up your weak your weaknesses collectively,

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Speaker 1: and make the right decision. I think that's the best

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Speaker 1: way moving forward. I think that's where football is a

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Speaker 1: little bit behind in my opinion. Yeah, and I I

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Speaker 1: think it'll be interested and we'll talk about this in

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Speaker 1: future podcast about the kind of the baseball influence on

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Speaker 1: what's beginning to happen in front offices. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: do believe it is kind of a collective, a group

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Speaker 1: of uh big thinkers that are able to kind of

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Speaker 1: sit and talk and and hash out different ideas based

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Speaker 1: on the experiences. Someone ultimately has to have the gavel

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Speaker 1: and to make the decision. But as you and I

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Speaker 1: know DJ, when you sit in these rooms and if

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Speaker 1: the person at the top has enough courage and confidence

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Speaker 1: to allow others to speak. It allows you to uh

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Speaker 1: kind of have some interesting discussions that may let you

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Speaker 1: think of out situations and scenarios in a different, uh,

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00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: in a different light. I think what John Lynch has

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Speaker 1: assembled in San Francisco allows him to make really good

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Speaker 1: decisions because he is kind of pushed and prided with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different decision makers who were also well

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Speaker 1: regarded in their own areas of expertise. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: get to these coaches here, because it's definitely uh contrast

648
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: there in age and experience, um, but both outstanding, offensive

649
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: minded coaches. Uh. Andy Reid when he was hired by

650
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs was a big coup. He could

651
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: have had any job he wanted that offseason, the Chiefs

652
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: ended up getting him. Uh. And here's co owner UH

653
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Speaker 1: Clark Hunt discussing why he hired Andy Reid. Well, when

654
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Speaker 1: we went into the search process, we were looking for

655
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Speaker 1: somebody who had been a proven leader, UM, somebody who

656
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Speaker 1: had been part of a successful program. Uh, somebody with

657
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Speaker 1: integrity who would hold their players accountable. And really Andy

658
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: fits all those qualities and so many more. He's really

659
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: the right person. And when he and I sat down

660
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: last Wednesday for interview. It was pretty clear early on

661
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: that there was great chemistry and that it was gonna

662
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Speaker 1: be a good fit between the two of us. Well

663
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: block that was really kind of just a stroke of

664
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Speaker 1: luck there for the Chiefs that that they had Andy

665
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Speaker 1: Reid available and they decided just to pounce on it

666
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: right away. I want to say the Chargers might have

667
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: had an opening that year as well. Uh, there was

668
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: several openings where it looked like Andy Reid would be

669
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Speaker 1: the uh, you know, would be the number one candidate

670
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: after all the success he had in Philadelphia, a mutual

671
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: parting of ways there in Philly. Philly needed a fresh voice.

672
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Andy needed a new start, and man, uh it worked

673
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Speaker 1: out tremendously well for the Chiefs. It did work out

674
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Speaker 1: very very well. And my relationship with Andy Reid goes

675
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Speaker 1: all the way back to my playing days with the

676
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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers in the mid nineties. Andy Reid was

677
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: initially the tight end coach uh for me. I was

678
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Speaker 1: playing defense at the time. Andy Reid was responsible for

679
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: running the scout team defense, so he would put the

680
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: cards up. He was very very meticulous in details and

681
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Speaker 1: demanding in terms of what he wanted to present to

682
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Speaker 1: the first team offense. It was a little surprising when

683
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: the win a phil when he went to Philadelphia because

684
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: he was hired as a head coach before he ever

685
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: called plays with the Green Bay Packers. He said at

686
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: the knee of Mike Homegrown, he ran the quarterback room

687
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: with Brett Farve and others. But his ability to kind

688
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: of learn and do those things in Philadelphia really has

689
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: made him one of the top coaches, not only in

690
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: the league now, but he would be celebrated as one

691
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: of the best coaches that we've seen in NFL history

692
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: based on his accomplishments in Kansas City. He was able

693
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: to take a very very successful blueprint in Philadelphia replicated

694
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. While first bringing over Alex Smith really

695
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: changed the way we perceived Alex Smith to be in

696
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: terms of how he played, elevated him. Then he gets

697
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: the transcendent talent and Pat Mahomes and away they go.

698
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: But as a play call it, he's terrific um an

699
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: innovator despite being older. And so that's why I think

700
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Speaker 1: when we began to look at head coaches and head

701
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: coaching candidates, throw age out. I think you gotta dig

702
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: deeper and see how imagine that there are. Are they

703
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: lifelong learners and are they willing to be a little

704
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: different when it comes to looking at different ways to

705
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: really get their team up and going. Yeah, I heard

706
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: this little video. I actually retweeted it the other day,

707
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: but John Maxwell, who's as good as it gets in

708
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: the leadership space, had had used this line. It was fantastic.

709
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: It's like that either grow through life or you go

710
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: through life like we all go through life. Not everybody

711
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: grows through life. And I think that's a compliment I'd

712
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: love to pay Coach read Is because he's somebody that

713
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: never thinks he has it all figured out. He's constantly

714
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: looking for what's next, what's new, talking to college coaches,

715
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: bringing in different guys, looking at different schemes, where is

716
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: the game of football headed? And being ahead of the curve,

717
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: And that is something that's unusual for somebody with as

718
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Speaker 1: much success as he's had to have the humility to say, Okay,

719
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Speaker 1: I need to learn more, I need to know what's next,

720
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Speaker 1: and I need to constantly keep growing. And that's what

721
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: he's done throughout his career. Absolutely uh growth mindset, continue

722
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: to take it to the next level. Uh, looking for

723
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: different ways to push the envelope when it comes to

724
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Speaker 1: running his offense and then his team, and and so

725
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I I give him a ton of credit because having

726
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: sat there and watch stun knew how rigid it coach

727
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Holmgren was when it came to running an offense. Andy

728
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: Reid has some of those core beliefs, but he's also

729
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of opened it up. And when we see the

730
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: way that the Kansas City Chiefs play, it's a mix

731
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: of that old school West Coast offense with a lot

732
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: of the new ideas that are really present in the

733
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: Laura levels. Give Andy Read a lot of credit for

734
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: being able to open his mind and continue to expand

735
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: his playbook when there's so many different things that are

736
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: going on that are really trendy and offensive football no doubt. Uh.

737
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: And we go to from Andy Reid, who um Andy

738
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Speaker 1: Reid at sixty one years old the Kyle Shanahan at

739
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: forty years old. Kyle Shanahan. Let's go back to the

740
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: day February, one day after the Super Bowl. Uh. This

741
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: was the day the San Francisco forty Niners announced Shanahan

742
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: as their coach. Here's the little nuggets here, some little

743
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: a little little inside look here at Kyle Shanahan, Guys

744
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: like Harris Barton, Tom Rathman, Steve Young, Um, Jerry Rice,

745
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: just all these guys have really been a big part

746
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: of my life. Even though it's only with those guys

747
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: for three years, it's just those are the guys I

748
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: looked up to and guys I wanted to be. UM

749
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: had a hard time being them as a player, even

750
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: I tried my hardest. Um as much easier as a

751
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: coach to be involved with this stuff and to be

752
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: back to this what I've always known the Niners to be. UM.

753
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: I can't wait to have the opportunity, and we owe

754
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: it to the fans and everyone out here that together

755
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: we we bring it back to what it was. And

756
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm very confident we're gonna do that. Buck I. I I

757
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: would say the word genius is uh it's overused in sports,

758
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: but when you ask anybody that's played for Kyle Shanahan

759
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: UM their thoughts on him, that is the word that

760
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: comes up more than any other. I mean, it's really

761
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: fascinating to me to see how he's involved as a

762
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: play caller. Uh DJ, I don't know if he had

763
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: a chance to go through the Super Bowl research package yet,

764
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: but I saw something that stood out to me. Over

765
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: the last foot wor one. Over the last four years,

766
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: he has taken his game up a notch in terms

767
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: of pre snap shifting and motioning. They up it by

768
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: five percent each year, and in the last two years,

769
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: UH the same Francisco forty Niners. They motion or shift

770
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: prior to an offensive play on seventy percent of their

771
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: plays a season ago and seventy non percent of their

772
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: plays this year. So before every play there's some kind

773
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: of shift motion that diverts the eyes of the defense.

774
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: And then when you think about how simple their run

775
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: game really is, you're talking about outside zone, a couple

776
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: of gaps schemes. He masked it beautifully with all of

777
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: the motion. And so we talked about the genius of

778
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: simplicity is something that people used to talk about with

779
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs and Apple. He is really an offensive genius

780
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: by really taking something something that looks very very complex,

781
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: but it's really very very simple. He's had a really

782
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: great job with this offensive scheme. I think about him,

783
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: I think about Christmas Buck and I think about he's

784
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: giving you the same present, but it's just different wrapping paper,

785
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: sums in the bag as some of it, like the

786
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: little box. It's the same thing, right, It's the at

787
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the President is the same thing.

788
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: It's all the it's all the wrapping paper in the

789
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: bags and the tissue he makes, all that stuff. Kind

790
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: of take all your attention away from the fact it's

791
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: just the same plays his dad has been running for

792
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: thirty years. Man, it's the same tried and true formula

793
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: that works. This zone scheme that they're so good at.

794
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: Now you're mixing in some of the traps and power

795
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: scheme that they do in the run game. But it's

796
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: all dressed up and gussied up by a by a

797
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: bunch of motion. It's all wrapping paper. I mean, it's

798
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: unbelievable to see it. I mean it's it's unbelievable just

799
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: what what they're able to do. And I think it's funny.

800
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: Um with his dad's scheme. Haven't played against it. I

801
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: mean it was it was pretty generic. You knew what

802
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: was coming. You just can't stop TV coming downhill and

803
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: that split zone and outside zone in the six core

804
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: plays that they use. But imagine you being Kyle Shanahan

805
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: and your dad is a I mean, a highly regarded coach.

806
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: But being able to take what your dad built as

807
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: a foundation and even add more to it, um, it's

808
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. It's unbelievable that he has been able to

809
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: take his dad's initial scheme, go to Gary Kubiak, and

810
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: then add his own pieces to it. He deserves a

811
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: lot of credit because when I look at the San

812
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: Francisco forty now is I've never been more excited by

813
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: watching a team run it on almost every down. What

814
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: they did in the championship game against the Green Bay Packers,

815
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: to me was beautiful football and it involved what eight passes.

816
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: I just don't know if I ever could think of

817
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: beautiful football not involving the passing game being featured prominently.

818
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: What I'm hoping is that more owners were looking see,

819
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: oh man, they're creative ways to run the football, and

820
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: give more attention to guys that are in charge of

821
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: run game stuff and kind of see the beauty that exists,

822
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: uh within really creating a very very dynamic running game.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be fun to watch the Super Bowl. Man,

824
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: It's a it's a fantastic matchup from organizations that have

825
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: been built the right way, great coaching staff, star players

826
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: all over the place. Uh. It should be a fantastic game.

827
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: And we'll be right here um to give you the

828
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 1: feedback and our reaction to what we see next week

829
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: on the podcast as well. We've got your mock draft

830
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: podcasts coming up on Thursday, Bucks, So the mock draft

831
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: is out there NFL dot com slash Bucky Brooks, you

832
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: can find it. We're gonna break the whole thing down

833
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: on Thursday's episode, so be on the lookout for that.

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Speaker 1: Remember all of our video's NFL dot com slash MTS

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Speaker 1: video YouTube dot com slash NFL podcast. That's gonna do

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Speaker 1: it for us today. Thank you guys so much for listening.

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