Speaker 1: I Am all In. Hello, let's just Doro, I Am
Speaker 1: all in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio Podcast. Everybody, Hi,
Speaker 1: Welcome to season two, episode fourteen. It should have been
Speaker 1: Laurel I right. Oh man, um yeah. First of all,
Speaker 1: let me say hello, It's Scott Patterson. This is I
Speaker 1: Am I Am all In Podcast, I Heart Radio one
Speaker 1: eleven Productions. We have Danielle Romo joining us. Hello, Danielle.
Speaker 1: We have Riley pelusis coming off a huge, huge debut.
Speaker 1: The after party after the premiere was crazy. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that. I mean people were hanging off the rafters.
Speaker 1: I mean it was unbelievable. Amy Sugarman has joined us.
Speaker 1: Hello Amy. Riley got renewed for a second She got
Speaker 1: renewed for a second episode because the first uh pop
Speaker 1: culture minisod was huge success. Huge commenters liked her, so
Speaker 1: she gets to try again. That's you know what, that's
Speaker 1: pretty dark good. That's pretty dark good. So congratulations Riley. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're riding shotgun with you through uh the peaks and
Speaker 1: valleys of success. We got you that kiddo. Valleys will
Speaker 1: come yay, you know, but you know they're not going
Speaker 1: to feel like valleys they actually feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: the best times you're ever gonna have because we're all
Speaker 1: trying to make everybody feel better. I did. I did
Speaker 1: a lunge at the gym, and somebody's like, was that
Speaker 1: you stilly walking? Really, you're getting recognized already. Nice a
Speaker 1: lunge at the gym. Now it's Danielle's turn. But do
Speaker 1: you prefer to be the power behind the thrown the hand?
Speaker 1: I loving behind you? Like being that power, right, I know?
Speaker 1: I like me behind the scenes. I let Riley do
Speaker 1: the silly walking. You know, yeah, I know you know
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're just you know, we're puppets on
Speaker 1: a string and you were over there anyway. Um, what
Speaker 1: an episode? Good lord? Uh, you know what I loved.
Speaker 1: First of all, I think this is the best, best
Speaker 1: written episode, best act. I think this was number one
Speaker 1: for me. This replaces the dinner party so far. This
Speaker 1: had me so deeply engaged. Every single second. I did
Speaker 1: not waiver, I did not waver, And I know why.
Speaker 1: I just figured it out. Um because it was an
Speaker 1: adult themed show and the kids stuff doesn't interest me
Speaker 1: that much. And I love working. I love all these guys.
Speaker 1: I love Jared and Matt and Milow. I love working
Speaker 1: with him, but I tell you that stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: a c W dictate, right, Like it's a younger skewing audience.
Speaker 1: We've got to ramp up the rory stuff. We've got
Speaker 1: to give her some some pretty guys get around a
Speaker 1: love triangle. Uh And and that's not my demo, so
Speaker 1: I'm not as engaged when that comes on. Guess what
Speaker 1: the median age is for a c W viewer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is it? Forty or fourteen? Really? Everyone thinks c
Speaker 1: W viewers are so much younger. They're actually like a
Speaker 1: thirty five year old woman. Huh. Well, then continue, you know,
Speaker 1: then the kids stuff still works for them, right, I
Speaker 1: suppose it'd be interesting to sort of ask around if
Speaker 1: people like the lorelized stuff or if they really like
Speaker 1: the ror stuff. For me, it's all yeah, I personally
Speaker 1: I could do without it. I still like it, and
Speaker 1: I still love working with those guys, and I think
Speaker 1: they add a lot to the show, But me personally
Speaker 1: as an audience don't need it. What did you think
Speaker 1: of Paris? Because we'll get into the meat, but I
Speaker 1: just need to know off the top, what do you
Speaker 1: think of Paris? I think Paris is a very well
Speaker 1: established character, and I think whatever I was turned off
Speaker 1: by actually sort of clicked in for this episode because
Speaker 1: I knew what to expect, and I found myself kind
Speaker 1: of rooting for her. You know, I wanted her to win, um,
Speaker 1: and I thought that that boy that was melting down
Speaker 1: from Hillsdale School that was at Chiltern and transferred, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, he deserves to be crushed, for God's sake.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's if he's gonna pale like that
Speaker 1: at a high school debate, I mean, buck up, dude,
Speaker 1: come on. Always ultimately feel sorry for Paris, Like just
Speaker 1: when you're like she's so irritating and nuts, then you
Speaker 1: see like she really just wanted to hang out with
Speaker 1: Rory after she just wants a friend. Yeah, she's not
Speaker 1: gonna she's not she's not gonna have any friends, Like
Speaker 1: she doesn't have family there, everybody there. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: ultimately I was kind of feel bad for but she
Speaker 1: is irritating, like she isn't hidden irritating. But I didn't
Speaker 1: find her irritating in this episode. I found her with
Speaker 1: a real purpose and I relate to people that want
Speaker 1: to win and want to win badly, because that's how
Speaker 1: that's how I used to be. You've come around, Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I have come around a little bit to
Speaker 1: Paris because God, I think maybe I was reacting so
Speaker 1: strongly in a negative way because I just related to
Speaker 1: her too much. That's funny, you know, I decided to go.
Speaker 1: I decided to put myself on the couch and uh
Speaker 1: and you know, have a clubhouse meeting with myself and
Speaker 1: and and really think about it, you know, like, why
Speaker 1: am I having this adverse reaction to Paris? And and
Speaker 1: I realized it's because I'm a lot like her. I
Speaker 1: used to be a lot like that. She's much more
Speaker 1: complicated than just being nuts. Yeah, and it's not fair
Speaker 1: of me to to apply those labels to her. But
Speaker 1: the behavior is screaming out for some assistance, for sure. Um.
Speaker 1: But I do have a little more empathy for her
Speaker 1: now because I was her, So, I mean I used
Speaker 1: to really really push push push people and really want
Speaker 1: to win, and it was all it was just all
Speaker 1: about winning. And that does come And maybe we'll talk
Speaker 1: to the psychologist about this. That does come from a
Speaker 1: deficit on the family side. Yeah, we should do another
Speaker 1: therapy session like we did before. You've healed a lot,
Speaker 1: so you don't have as much growing to do. But
Speaker 1: I think she could still help everybody sort of come
Speaker 1: to understand Paris. Yeah, I think one of the very
Speaker 1: positive things about her she she does what it takes
Speaker 1: to win, leaves no stone unturned. I do think perfectionism
Speaker 1: like that is it's really just you know, anxiety run
Speaker 1: amuck um, and to be around that can be really annoying.
Speaker 1: But if you're in a debate, you do want to win.
Speaker 1: You do want to talk fast, you do want to
Speaker 1: crush the opposition. You don't want to give him a
Speaker 1: chance to get up off the mat. And that's how
Speaker 1: you want to debate. So here's a little segue for you.
Speaker 1: Because as I'm thinking about Paris, like Paris is a
Speaker 1: little bit about Paris, you know, she's always sort of
Speaker 1: fighting for herself, gotta win, gotta win. Like you said
Speaker 1: to me, what was not shocking because we've known it
Speaker 1: was the true flaw we saw in Lower Lie. At
Speaker 1: the end of this episode, Man, that was just a
Speaker 1: knockout punch, wasn't it. Because I know we'll go out
Speaker 1: of order, so we need to get to it, but
Speaker 1: I had to agree with Christopher. It was heartbreaking for
Speaker 1: me because now I see and I'm listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: watching this as Luke anymore. I'm watching this as a fan, now, okay.
Speaker 1: And um, not that Luke wasn't a fan of the show.
Speaker 1: Luke wasn't aware of the show. He's in the show.
Speaker 1: He's not aware of the show. We'd like to ask
Speaker 1: you a question, is Luke, did you go home and
Speaker 1: watch you while I was I was in the show.
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of the show. It's a different It's
Speaker 1: not it's a different reality. It's like I'm a hologram.
Speaker 1: What who me? Um? I was a little taken aback
Speaker 1: by that. I thought I thought it had a real,
Speaker 1: real dramatic impact. I mean it was it was unexpected,
Speaker 1: and I mean he was kind of right, and that
Speaker 1: he was also wrong. Um. And she was also full
Speaker 1: of full of bleep. She is full of crap. She's
Speaker 1: trying to convince herself. But she was still in a
Speaker 1: mode where she was in pain from the drubbing she
Speaker 1: took from her mother. And I think she was reaching
Speaker 1: out to Christopher for an answer, to to somebody please
Speaker 1: comfort me somehow, and this is how I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to do it. And I think all her I
Speaker 1: think her intentions were pure, and I think they were good.
Speaker 1: But she the blind spot she had was that dysfunction
Speaker 1: with her mother, and it made her say that. It
Speaker 1: put her in a position to say that and not
Speaker 1: consider his feelings. She had to figure out some way
Speaker 1: like how do I make peace with this? How do
Speaker 1: I not make my mother be right? Even though she
Speaker 1: I know she's right. It's like, Okay, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and twist this and say, well, she was right, but
Speaker 1: now she's not right because I'm moving on. And it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you love him? Yeah, I think not. I think she
Speaker 1: wanted Christopher to say, yeah, you're right. I had to
Speaker 1: go through that same feeling. But now that I'm with Sherry,
Speaker 1: I'm finally over you. Like she wanted him to comfort
Speaker 1: her during that time and she was seeking and she
Speaker 1: and he did he did not do that. That was
Speaker 1: I was heartbroken for her. I really was, because I
Speaker 1: was heartbroken for him as an audience, you know, as
Speaker 1: an audience, I'm looking at this like, Wow, these two
Speaker 1: are are good together. They're kind of right, and and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again. Um, you know, it's a searing pain
Speaker 1: for a child to see their parents apart. They do
Speaker 1: want their parents together. No matter what Rory said or
Speaker 1: how she tried to play it off, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: she's she was a little bit in denial. She does
Speaker 1: want her parents together. Of course she does. It is
Speaker 1: a big deal to her. But she's not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: she's not like Laurea la in that sense where she's
Speaker 1: gonna you know, she's wearing her heart on her sleeve necessarily. Um.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I it was just so sad
Speaker 1: to see it end like that, in in another bitter fight. Well,
Speaker 1: and Christopher's right, although maybe he could have reacted to
Speaker 1: it differently, I'm not saying him just like blowing up
Speaker 1: was that was the best thing to do. But he
Speaker 1: always loved lorli He wanted to be with lor Lai
Speaker 1: from the start. She was the one that said no,
Speaker 1: you know, he would have stayed and raised the baby
Speaker 1: with her and then you know, beholden to the parents whatever.
Speaker 1: But she knew he didn't have it in it. But
Speaker 1: she always loved him. He always loved her, and in
Speaker 1: a sense he wasn't wrong to interpret what she was
Speaker 1: saying as blaming him, So I get why he was like,
Speaker 1: screw you, but he but he but he, but he
Speaker 1: has sounded needy in past episodes when he has called,
Speaker 1: and it always sounds like for him, the doors open
Speaker 1: to maybe giving it another shot. I'm not he's not
Speaker 1: saying that, and maybe he is. And I've missed it
Speaker 1: but or forgot about it already my short term memory.
Speaker 1: But you know, he always sounds like he's kind of
Speaker 1: her guy and still still wants to be her guy.
Speaker 1: And I'm open to it. And did it not long ago?
Speaker 1: And yes? And that's what's so shocking about that final scene.
Speaker 1: It's the last thing I expected to happen. I thought
Speaker 1: he would show a little more compassion, but I think
Speaker 1: he saw it as maybe a little bit of manipulation
Speaker 1: on her part, an attack on him to try to
Speaker 1: mess up his relationship with maian Aman. Right, Well, he
Speaker 1: said it himself. So she has brought guys around, She
Speaker 1: was even engaged the girl around, and she's going to
Speaker 1: act like this. He's kind of like, what the hell
Speaker 1: do you not when I'm happy? Right? And he made
Speaker 1: that point to her when he picked her up and
Speaker 1: they were getting into the car said, you were engaged
Speaker 1: in Max mctina. You didn't tell me. I wasn't a
Speaker 1: part of that equation. I wasn't a part and she said, well,
Speaker 1: you eventually would have been. It's like, what, screw you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think that's what pissed him off.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm calling yeah, because she is not that
Speaker 1: what she said at the diner, even though I think
Speaker 1: she is trying to convince herself, I don't think it
Speaker 1: was true. I think what she wanted to say was like,
Speaker 1: am I going to be with this chip? Right or wrong?
Speaker 1: M h. I agree, and so so it was wrong
Speaker 1: multiple level. Yeah, And it's like I get it what
Speaker 1: she was sort of trying. And I think she's trying
Speaker 1: to convince herself, Okay, now that he is with this person,
Speaker 1: I can move on. But she should have just said
Speaker 1: it to her bathroom mirror, not him. I think she
Speaker 1: has I think she is so much stronger and Christopher,
Speaker 1: and I think she has matured at a faster rate
Speaker 1: than Christopher. And she was waiting for Christopher for years
Speaker 1: to get it together. He never got it together. He
Speaker 1: always tried something right. This is what I do remember
Speaker 1: about the show what I do remember about his character
Speaker 1: is that he was you know, he tried something for
Speaker 1: six months and then leave. He'd go to California's a
Speaker 1: great opportunity. Then he can be back, you know, so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. So this was his pattern. How
Speaker 1: can how can she have a life with somebody like that? Right?
Speaker 1: How can she depend on that kind of a guy?
Speaker 1: She can't. He's bouncing all over the country. He's got
Speaker 1: this idea, and now he's got six months later he's
Speaker 1: got another ideas, and it's like, at a certain point
Speaker 1: you just throw up your hands. Um. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, to me, the only person that she has
Speaker 1: chemistry with like she has with you, Luke, is Christopher.
Speaker 1: There's no sorry, there's no there can be only one.
Speaker 1: There can be only one. But if you were just
Speaker 1: looking for the outside, the only one that has a
Speaker 1: close second to Luke is Christopher. I see it in
Speaker 1: their banter, I see it in their chemistry. It's Luke's
Speaker 1: up here, okay, and then Christopher's will okay, But then
Speaker 1: show me where Max is lower than Christopher? Right, Gosh,
Speaker 1: you know what I don't know. I agree with you
Speaker 1: Amy about Leonard, like he knows her a little. He
Speaker 1: knows those things correct, right, But I think that just
Speaker 1: because he's from the same social class. I mean, he
Speaker 1: gets it. And how could you not hear her from
Speaker 1: the kitchen by the way he knows her. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: We can debate it. But I know, I know, I
Speaker 1: know the only other one that really knows her. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying she's meant to be with him. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying he's the only one that has a shot
Speaker 1: at it other than you know, Luke did seem like
Speaker 1: an outsider in this situation, didn't he. He really did.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially Emily doesn't want Luke around. Laurel I
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to want Luke around. It's like he's just
Speaker 1: the guy that brings us to you know. He really
Speaker 1: felt h neutralized and even minimized in this episode. I
Speaker 1: thought a little bit. Well, but remember it was only
Speaker 1: last week, so in in Gilmore time, that could have
Speaker 1: been just a few days ago that you two are
Speaker 1: having the moment with the with the tis get a
Speaker 1: task at basket. So like that's what I always love too,
Speaker 1: is like we didn't even see Jess this week too,
Speaker 1: and we just had that huge Jess episode so they
Speaker 1: just never pound us over the head with things. That's
Speaker 1: why we are so cooked. Boy, it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: a very complex, very layered situation walking into any kind
Speaker 1: of a situation with Laurel I, with her history and
Speaker 1: what she's been through. I mean, if you want to
Speaker 1: get involved with her romantically, wow, I mean you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with a lot of baggage. And should
Speaker 1: we talk about Sherry? Should we take a break and
Speaker 1: talk about Cherry and talking about sharing a little bit?
Speaker 1: I want to think of sharing. All right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a little pause here, and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Sherry, the lovely and talented Mansion Amick.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back after these words. Yeah, okay, everybody,
Speaker 1: we're back. We're gonna talk about Sherry played by Mansion Amock, who, um,
Speaker 1: I think was considered uh to play uh Laura I
Speaker 1: Gilmore originally. Yes, I think that's uh. I think that
Speaker 1: is true. Yeah, And she wasn't available and they kept
Speaker 1: looking looking looking, um, but yeah, she's she's something, isn't
Speaker 1: she on screen? Wow? What a face? What a what
Speaker 1: a talent? What a just a wow factor? There? Um right,
Speaker 1: I mean she's still just works so much. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she's great. Um and uh, completely different type of personality
Speaker 1: from Laurela. And you know what, I can you know
Speaker 1: if you compare the two. And I think this is
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think Laurelai was really
Speaker 1: afraid at the end of this episode that gosh, darn it,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something wrong with me. Maybe maybe he I'm
Speaker 1: just not good enough for him. Maybe I never was.
Speaker 1: Do you think she is experiencing some self doubt on
Speaker 1: that level because now that she's seen Sherry, and Sherry
Speaker 1: is a completely different animal from her, thinks different than
Speaker 1: I mean Sherry. Sherry is like one of the most
Speaker 1: considerate people. And I'm not saying she's as multifaceted or
Speaker 1: entertaining as Laura La. She's very successful, she's very right,
Speaker 1: she's very she's kind of corporate, she's very successful. She
Speaker 1: says the right thing, she dresses in the right way.
Speaker 1: She's perfect. It's like she's this perfect person. Would you
Speaker 1: say it's the first person that Laurela has been sort
Speaker 1: of jealous of. Yeah, she was jealous of her right away.
Speaker 1: And uh, um, I mean that is a fully formed,
Speaker 1: mature adult woman who has who's responsible, who wants children?
Speaker 1: Who wants a good man? And I don't know if
Speaker 1: Christopher is going to make it well his weakness his
Speaker 1: surface eventually that will be interesting to say. Uh, but
Speaker 1: that is I mean that character, her character, Sherry is
Speaker 1: is a substantial person. I mean that is a well bred,
Speaker 1: well educated, professional, considerate, courteous um. I mean she was
Speaker 1: letter perfect on everything, even to the point where she
Speaker 1: was disarming Lee honest about isn't this awkward? And you know,
Speaker 1: I just want you to know there's no pressure on
Speaker 1: you to be friends with me or spect. I mean
Speaker 1: it was just like what you think of that scene.
Speaker 1: I thought it was an adult, uh, taking the reins
Speaker 1: and trying to make things easy for Laura la Let's
Speaker 1: acknowledge that it's an awkward situation and let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: But she she was so direct with it. And I
Speaker 1: think she's so used to coming from the sales sales
Speaker 1: e world where she's she's great at if she's the
Speaker 1: East Coast rep for Laurel. For God's sake, she's a
Speaker 1: heck of a salesperson, right. I mean she knows how
Speaker 1: to charm the pants off of anybody. I mean for
Speaker 1: God's sake. I mean, they only hire the most talented people,
Speaker 1: and there are people out there like that who can
Speaker 1: you know they can sell ice to an eskimo. Um,
Speaker 1: what did you guys think of that scene in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me because I feel like I know
Speaker 1: too much what I thought. I thought Laura la got
Speaker 1: into the ring with somebody who had who had more
Speaker 1: punching power. She got into the ring with an adult,
Speaker 1: I mean, a real adult, and it's like she was outmatched. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you say, and then I'll say, because I don't want to,
Speaker 1: I don't know if other things are clouding my opinion,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I appreciated where Sherry was going, like trying
Speaker 1: to be quote unquote cool, but I thought she she
Speaker 1: she like tried going too much. Like she just kept
Speaker 1: repeating herself and repeating herself. We don't need to be friends.
Speaker 1: I just want to be cool with Rory. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like it was too much. I don't know.
Speaker 1: One time was to say that was great, and then
Speaker 1: she just lost me after the fifth time. You can
Speaker 1: only imagine what Christopher said behind Laurel ized back to
Speaker 1: Sherry about her personality, and it's like you know, you're
Speaker 1: walking into a bunch of landmines. Be careful. She's a
Speaker 1: little off center. Um, she may be crazy. She'll say
Speaker 1: anything at any time. She's got a she's an extremely smart,
Speaker 1: very complex person, you know. So it's like this this
Speaker 1: disconnect where Laurel I thinks that she's got some kind
Speaker 1: of relationship or even chance with Christopher and he's like, man,
Speaker 1: I finally found somebody that isn't nuts, you know, I
Speaker 1: think us. Yeah, And what I don't know is if
Speaker 1: it's because of something I know. And everyone listening is
Speaker 1: probably with me on this, So like, you guys, aren't
Speaker 1: she seemed nuts? Yeah, I'm with you, and it's my
Speaker 1: first time watching it. One thing I did want to say,
Speaker 1: back to what you were saying, Scott about how you
Speaker 1: felt that Lorala was a little jealous. I I don't
Speaker 1: think she was a little jealous. But I think she
Speaker 1: had this realization that Christopher's going somewhere, like he's going places,
Speaker 1: he has this superstar girlfriend, like things are panning out
Speaker 1: for him, and I think she kind of had this
Speaker 1: realization that where am I going? What's what? What am
Speaker 1: I adding to my life? Like, what's what's going on
Speaker 1: and she's not where he is, and he's kind of yeah, yeah, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: I is jos of the situation, but not so much
Speaker 1: jealous of Sherry. Sure she was are you kidding? Oh god,
Speaker 1: she looked great. I mean she looked letter perfect, perfect,
Speaker 1: She looked like she I mean, she just looked like
Speaker 1: a really classy woman. I agree with you, and beautiful.
Speaker 1: She seemed a little nuts. What do you mean, Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, come on, nuts, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: What pushy? She was too pushy. She was being a
Speaker 1: little aggressive, and so therefore she's nuts. I don't know,
Speaker 1: aggressive because it's like she you're right, aggressive, but she's
Speaker 1: not like aggressive about it. It's like she's a little
Speaker 1: to ask KISSI to Rory. She's a little too hashtag
Speaker 1: trying too hard, which I get because if you're in
Speaker 1: that position, that is a super difficult position to navigate.
Speaker 1: But if, but if Christopher prepped her about what she
Speaker 1: was really walking into, and of course she's going to
Speaker 1: be disarmingly charming and actually aggressive about it, just to
Speaker 1: diffuse any potential situation that could arise, because you know,
Speaker 1: the wild card is what is Laura? Like? How's Laura?
Speaker 1: I gonna react. What's she gonna say? I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a moment there on a couch when Laura la
Speaker 1: had a couple of quippy, very funny things, and Sherry
Speaker 1: just looked at her said, excuse me, she doesn't right,
Speaker 1: she doesn't get you, don't look. Rory summed her up
Speaker 1: really well at breakfast, like she drives the speed limit
Speaker 1: and uses her blinker. I'll say it like this because
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin too much. She's not an artist.
Speaker 1: In other words, she's not fun like Laurea la Is.
Speaker 1: It's very mom like. I think that also makes Lorelai
Speaker 1: I think, well, this is Christopher's type. I might not
Speaker 1: Christopher's type because I'm completely different than Sherry right exactly.
Speaker 1: It puts her in It puts her in a very
Speaker 1: precarious position psychologically speaking, because she just never imagined that
Speaker 1: she wasn't even being considered all those years, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And and why was Christopher sleeping with me?
Speaker 1: And why was he you know, laurelized just confused. I
Speaker 1: think it was just all out of confusion. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then he drops the hammer on her like that. Man,
Speaker 1: what a moment to have for I felt really bad
Speaker 1: for her. You know, I'm not sure Sherry is Christopher's type.
Speaker 1: I think Christopher thinks he needs to have a girl
Speaker 1: like Sherry. I think Sherry's a lot like Emily, which
Speaker 1: is kind of weird. Yeah, that's not that she's more
Speaker 1: like Emily that she uh than she is Laurela. And look,
Speaker 1: Laurela is you know, she has the personality of an
Speaker 1: artist and um, you know, a free spirit, a rebel
Speaker 1: of Maverick, a loner, you know, but she's sotistic and everything.
Speaker 1: You know, her life is like this this work of
Speaker 1: art that's in progress and she's adding colors and she's
Speaker 1: being entertaining and vibrant. She's she really is a live wire.
Speaker 1: She's very, very compelling. And I I don't think she's crazy.
Speaker 1: I just think that she's she just found herself wanting
Speaker 1: more as a kid and it wasn't that life. And
Speaker 1: I just think I just think she could write a novel,
Speaker 1: or she could paint, or she could write poetry. Just
Speaker 1: she's got such poetry inside her. She's got artistic expression
Speaker 1: and and and and subtleties inside her. You know, she's
Speaker 1: so here's she's so literate, and you So here's the question.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. And you really need
Speaker 1: to be Scott, like you've got to be the ultimate Scott.
Speaker 1: Although it I know it's hard for you to like
Speaker 1: separate fully from Luke if you had to date. So
Speaker 1: you're Scott, You're not Luke and Danielle and Riley. This
Speaker 1: question is for you too. You have to dates. Got
Speaker 1: either Lorely or Sherry and Danielle and Riley. You have
Speaker 1: to be best friends with Lorelei or Sherry? Only one?
Speaker 1: Who are you picking? H I mean friends Lordly. I
Speaker 1: wanna have fun. Yeah, you want to have a lot
Speaker 1: of laughs because you can enter, you know, and it
Speaker 1: would be it's just fun to engage that. You know.
Speaker 1: As perfect as Sherry is, she's not Laura and vice versa.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, I I think after a while,
Speaker 1: anybody can get on your nerves. It's just like, how
Speaker 1: how long would it take for Sherry to get on
Speaker 1: your nerves? So let her perfect, right, She's so let
Speaker 1: her perfect her approach in life. She's already on my
Speaker 1: nerves marked for death. And I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: because I am such a fan of lor Lie, like
Speaker 1: I want to be lor lie to me like I
Speaker 1: want to be lor Lie. I love everything about lord Lye.
Speaker 1: I love the way she is with men, I love
Speaker 1: the way she is with friends. I love everything about her.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like I would say, Sherry is probably the
Speaker 1: first character that I don't love. I was a little
Speaker 1: surprised that she agreed so quickly to let her skip
Speaker 1: Friday night dinner and go out with Sherry. I mean
Speaker 1: that was a little inappropriate. I thought. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a little pushy. It was a little abrupt, and like, well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it next time. But but there's Sherry,
Speaker 1: the expert salesperson, just selling her side, and it's such
Speaker 1: a rare opportunity. We're never down this way, you know,
Speaker 1: So can you just make it happen for me? You
Speaker 1: know she got the sale. This is so complicated for
Speaker 1: me because I also love Christopher. I love Look, Luke
Speaker 1: is my guy, you know that. Like, I have a
Speaker 1: total crush on Luke. It's embarrassing when I watch it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am able to separate Scott from Luke
Speaker 1: because I am like hot for Luke and I know
Speaker 1: that's creepy, but I am no, it's why is it creepy.
Speaker 1: It's not creepy, but because you're still the guy who
Speaker 1: played Luke is fascinating. Of course you're smitten. But I
Speaker 1: love Christopher. I love everything about Christopher. There's one fashion
Speaker 1: moment that I didn't like, which i'll reveal at the end.
Speaker 1: But I love Christopher. I love the way he banters,
Speaker 1: I love the I love that Richard and Emily adore him.
Speaker 1: I love everything about Christopher. So maybe that's also why
Speaker 1: I don't like Sherry, because I don't want Sherry with Christopher.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm gonna say it right now. I don't
Speaker 1: want her with him at all. And I didn't like
Speaker 1: it when he had her before we saw her and
Speaker 1: I and I I don't want it. But he can't
Speaker 1: handle Laurela. He will never be able to handle Laurela.
Speaker 1: He can't. He needs Sherry. He needs Sherry. He's the
Speaker 1: unstable one. He needs a stable adult woman to guide him.
Speaker 1: That's exactly he needs a mommy, and that's that's exactly
Speaker 1: what he got. That's what he needs. They aren't equals,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, from what I have seen, personality wise.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I don't know, but she's making him grow up.
Speaker 1: She's forcing him to grow up. And it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: natural for us to see Christopher that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's really got it together. He's dressed really sharp, he's
Speaker 1: looking good, he's saying all the right things. He's being
Speaker 1: cool right Volvo motorcycle. Christopher's changing, She's affecting these changes.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be sad if she goes. I'm saying, Laura,
Speaker 1: I needs a guy that's just going to allow her
Speaker 1: to be her, not getting her way. It's obviously Luke,
Speaker 1: but we have to be patient. Laurla is grounded and
Speaker 1: who she is. She's very comfortable in her own skain.
Speaker 1: She's there's not a lot of self doubt in her life.
Speaker 1: I mean she's already sort of gazed at her navel
Speaker 1: for you know, ten thousand hours and contemplated, undazed her
Speaker 1: fate right and how she got there. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: a she's a you know, she's a she's a self
Speaker 1: self analytical person. She's highly intelligent. She Christopher cannot hang
Speaker 1: with her, and he never could. It doesn't matter. But
Speaker 1: it's so far off. And look, I'm not saying Looke's
Speaker 1: a perfect guy. I'm not this is not me advocating
Speaker 1: for Look, I'm just saying that she needs somebody to
Speaker 1: let her be herself. Okay, so let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. There're on a lot of
Speaker 1: guys out there like that, Max or Christopher. Forget Luke again,
Speaker 1: there is no Luke. Who do you think was better
Speaker 1: or is better for Lorlie? Max or Christopher? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: no because because Max, I don't know. I loved Max,
Speaker 1: but no, Christopher is way more for her. Thanks, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I have a seriously hot topic
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. But first, how heck funny
Speaker 1: wasn't when they were trying to get a look see
Speaker 1: at share the tissue? Yeah, Melissa, Melissa was very funny.
Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought the way she held her
Speaker 1: hand out and dropped the tissue was a little obvious
Speaker 1: because if Sherry saw it, it it would be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's checking out. Wanted to do you think that choice?
Speaker 1: She was so genius? Ohlisa, Yeah, it's the first time
Speaker 1: I left in the episode was one Melissa said that
Speaker 1: the first line She's then, oh, I forget Oh you
Speaker 1: have a very smooth dress. So good. Do you want
Speaker 1: my hot topic now or like, do you want to
Speaker 1: go to commercial? And then I'll tell you. Now, let's
Speaker 1: go to commercial. All right, we'll be back after these words, ladies,
Speaker 1: and gent's yea all everybody, We're back to Amy's got
Speaker 1: a hot topic. She's gonna share it with us. We've
Speaker 1: been waiting with baby breath. What is it? This is
Speaker 1: not it? But also, did anyone notice how does Lorela
Speaker 1: always get such amazing parking at Chilton? Like? I don't
Speaker 1: buy it? Why is that jeep always literally parked right
Speaker 1: in front of because it's not a parking space and
Speaker 1: she's parking there illegally. She's just making it. Yes, because
Speaker 1: she's Laurela and she's good. She's gonna park anywhere she wants.
Speaker 1: See what I mean, that's her personality. I'm gonna park
Speaker 1: anywhere I want. I hope I find a guy that
Speaker 1: lets me park anywhere I want. There my hot topic
Speaker 1: for you. I need you all to discuss this. Emily.
Speaker 1: What do we make of her meltdown? Was it so like? Yes,
Speaker 1: it was totally over the top, But what do you
Speaker 1: make of it? Break it down? I need to know
Speaker 1: what Emily is on her track? She wants what she
Speaker 1: wants she's disappointed. She's holding out hope for all these years,
Speaker 1: fifteen years. She can't make adjustments. People that age just
Speaker 1: do not make those kinds of adjustments. Um, a mother,
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't even anything to do with age, it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, her heart wants her daughter her. Emily's definition
Speaker 1: of success is raising a daughter that ends up with
Speaker 1: a guy Christopher, and they have Friday night dinners and
Speaker 1: they have children, and they all go to the country
Speaker 1: club and they play golf, and then they go to
Speaker 1: Switzerland in the winter for a week ist gang and
Speaker 1: you know that, they go down to Palm Beach for
Speaker 1: a week and they you know what, they hopped up.
Speaker 1: So it's if that, I mean, that is the good life.
Speaker 1: She wants the good life for her daughter because she
Speaker 1: wants the good life for herself, because she can't enjoy
Speaker 1: her life fully without her daughter involved. That's her daughter. Mhmm,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have it. I mean, Laurel is an only child, right,
Speaker 1: So you know what you were talking about Rory wanting
Speaker 1: her parents together absolutely more than Rory. Emily wants those
Speaker 1: two together exactly. She is just holding on to every
Speaker 1: bit of hope that it can happen. Yeah, Emily doesn't
Speaker 1: see that those two are not suited for one of them.
Speaker 1: That it was truly that, it was truly understand. I
Speaker 1: apologize for saying, but she lost her when she realized
Speaker 1: what the He's got another girlfriend and it's like her
Speaker 1: dream was like slipping away from her in front of
Speaker 1: her eyes, and she lost it. I don't blame her first,
Speaker 1: it was the lack of courtesy for not calling her
Speaker 1: and telling her about or not attending um it's it's
Speaker 1: just another example of Yeah, she did. She cared that
Speaker 1: her daughter deceptively behind her back change plans, didn't consult
Speaker 1: her and didn't Christopher didn't have a girlfriend. She wouldn't
Speaker 1: have cared. She cared only she would have cared. She
Speaker 1: wouldn't have cared that much, but she would have cared.
Speaker 1: She was pissed because she doesn't want Rory with this woman. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One it's shattering her dream of Christopher and Laura being together,
Speaker 1: and two, she doesn't want this woman having anything to
Speaker 1: do with her granddaughter. Look, Sherry is not stupid. She
Speaker 1: got warned, She knew what she was walking into, she
Speaker 1: knew she had to get As Emily said, her claws
Speaker 1: into Rory fast because Rory is the key to this, right,
Speaker 1: and she wanted to and and she executed. She's Sherry
Speaker 1: is just trying to survive because she wants that man.
Speaker 1: She wants Christopher, she really does. That might be a
Speaker 1: step up for her, right in class, never know, right
Speaker 1: everything of that. You know, Christopher's cute. I mean Christopher,
Speaker 1: Christopher comes from real money, doesn't he That fact doesn't
Speaker 1: change because he's, you know, a little bit of a loser, right,
Speaker 1: He's not because because Sherry came into his life and
Speaker 1: change at listen, the right woman really changes your perspective
Speaker 1: on things, and can really, you know, can really really
Speaker 1: make your life happen. You know, it's it's hugely important
Speaker 1: to have a healthy, happy relationship. And if you're how
Speaker 1: did Emily's meltdown land on you, guys? I think I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: it may have been triggering for Emily because she thought
Speaker 1: of Laura La and Mia. Maybe she was thinking Rory
Speaker 1: would go with Sherry and like Laura Lee would lose Rory.
Speaker 1: Like she maybe thought it was like history repeating itself
Speaker 1: of Laura Lee maybe losing Rory to Sherry. It's not
Speaker 1: a terrible like observation. Yeah, and she did say the
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, I'll never see Rory again. I mean,
Speaker 1: the real key to this is seeing Rory. She wants
Speaker 1: to see your granddaughter. I had two theories so that
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head. Um. She is
Speaker 1: finally close with Rory and now she doesn't want another
Speaker 1: woman getting in the way, you know, like stealing that time,
Speaker 1: stealing that attention, hanging out with her like she wants
Speaker 1: that with Rory, and she feels threatened a little bit. Listen,
Speaker 1: she's justified and getting pisted laure Ali for that. That
Speaker 1: is her time. She made a deal on paying for
Speaker 1: your daughter's school. It's probably fifty bucks fifty thousand bucks
Speaker 1: a year plus plus, right, so we're talking seventy because
Speaker 1: you know they're going to donate money to make sure
Speaker 1: Rory gets into Harvard. Yeah, you can be at a
Speaker 1: hundred veries even back then. So you know that is
Speaker 1: her time. You're right, Danielle, that is her time that
Speaker 1: she paid for, that she deserves, that she earned. And
Speaker 1: how dare somebody just ripped Rory away from her for
Speaker 1: some strange woman that's after Christophy. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that's the ticket. It's Emily would not
Speaker 1: have been mad. If Rory had a school thing or
Speaker 1: was with Paris, she would have liked. She wouldn't have
Speaker 1: liked it, but she wouldn't have cared. I think if
Speaker 1: there's a school dance, she would have been fine with it.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want Rory with this other woman. She doesn't
Speaker 1: want Christopher this with this other woman, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: want la allowing this right. She doesn't want Laura allowed
Speaker 1: to be so blind she doesn't even see what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, it was hilarious, the slow
Speaker 1: build to the meltdown when she's like, I had hold
Speaker 1: off on buying a place with this one and lots
Speaker 1: of mold. You know, then those scores kill you very slowly.
Speaker 1: Do you how much Richard and Emily love Christopher. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean, it's the it's in their minds.
Speaker 1: It's the best thing for Rory, and it's the probably
Speaker 1: it's the only way to keep Laurel I on straight
Speaker 1: and narrow right. And Richard is just waiting, waiting to
Speaker 1: help Christopher, waiting to get him into the family so
Speaker 1: that he can get him in the insurance business at
Speaker 1: a higher level than he would normally go in and begin.
Speaker 1: Richard would would have guaranteed Christopher be successful in that
Speaker 1: field and give Laureli. They go to the country club together,
Speaker 1: they play golf together. He and he likes Christopher, He
Speaker 1: really likes them. So yes, yeah, he's he's their breed,
Speaker 1: you know, of the manner Born And uh wow, what
Speaker 1: a good episode it really was. And you know, we
Speaker 1: haven't even got to the funny stuff. I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was the most deliciously funny smart stuff hit him
Speaker 1: the home run running around, what the what the c
Speaker 1: D drop? Yeah, they borrowed it from a film, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I love it when they do that and
Speaker 1: they take these iconic film scenes and they put him
Speaker 1: in the show. I mean, it's it really isn't homage.
Speaker 1: It's not stealing Kirk. I mean, but can we talk
Speaker 1: wait a minute, can we talk about how flipping crazy
Speaker 1: Mrs Kim is. She doubles down. I mean, after that
Speaker 1: impactful scene with her daughter realizing, I mean she didn't
Speaker 1: she didn't even have a moment of reflection. Thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm I need to pull back on this stuff a
Speaker 1: little bit. As she doubles down and punishes her in
Speaker 1: grounds or for how long pulled her out of school?
Speaker 1: And it's playing records of psalms. I mean, what what
Speaker 1: is happening? That woman is out of her off her
Speaker 1: go word? What was the first thing that came into
Speaker 1: your mind when Lane says like her mom mentioned she
Speaker 1: was contagious, all of a sudden, I was like, she's coronavirus. Well,
Speaker 1: what about the debate topic? You know, I'm worried about Lane.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's going to happen in
Speaker 1: the future, but I'm and I know nothing really bad
Speaker 1: can happen in the future, but you know, these are
Speaker 1: the kinds of kids that sort of contemplate taking their
Speaker 1: own lives to get Yeah, but I mean if you
Speaker 1: have a parent like that, who's that oppressive? I mean,
Speaker 1: my god, it where it really worries me. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I know nothing bad is going to happen,
Speaker 1: But that's the form that's a recipe right there for disaster,
Speaker 1: not not Yeah, I think that you are being very
Speaker 1: accurate about that. That like, because this is a comedy
Speaker 1: drama and that's the comedy part. We can make light
Speaker 1: of it. But like in the the world. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a different movie. And as an independent film, that relationship
Speaker 1: right there, that's a very heavy movie. That's a tax
Speaker 1: having minding these plumbing, these emotional depths in this show.
Speaker 1: It's comedic relief, like comic really, yeah, comic relief, comic.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right because I'm not making light of
Speaker 1: what you just said, like you're accurate. In a different circumstance,
Speaker 1: that would be a little bit. You know, she's literally
Speaker 1: trapped in her room. It's very strange. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mrs Kim doubled down on the punishment instead
Speaker 1: of saying, oh, I screwed up and had a moment
Speaker 1: of a real honesty with herself like this, I did
Speaker 1: this to my daughter, and I screwed my daughter up,
Speaker 1: and I screwed myself up. And Henry Cho was gone
Speaker 1: and debate topic what a very serious debate coating assistant
Speaker 1: soon settled, right. I don't know I would have been
Speaker 1: sweating like that kid when when Paris said and we're pro,
Speaker 1: and you know the kid that was melting down says shocker.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I thought the quippy, funny lines were
Speaker 1: so beautifully set up in this episode because the drama.
Speaker 1: The drama was so heightened in this episode. Everything was
Speaker 1: so taught that those jokes really really resonated. I mean
Speaker 1: they're running around cleaning, cleaning, the house closing. Do you
Speaker 1: have anything to serve them? You have to serve people things.
Speaker 1: We had the leftover Halloween candy. We don't want to
Speaker 1: waste that on that, and then it was out. Did
Speaker 1: you guys see that it was out? Anything like he
Speaker 1: didn't want anything? Yeah, at the candy like an okay
Speaker 1: date on that? Okay, what else before we wrapped this?
Speaker 1: What else? What else? Okay, here's my question. Should it
Speaker 1: have been Laurel? So that's the title of the episode.
Speaker 1: It should have been Laurel. Yes, it should have been
Speaker 1: Laurel I. But then there wouldn't have been a show.
Speaker 1: It would have been a really boring, major network sort
Speaker 1: of drama or something that was so light in the
Speaker 1: asset nobody could wash it. That would probably been a
Speaker 1: big hit. It would be you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, what would it have been. It would have
Speaker 1: been called you know, I don't know. It would have
Speaker 1: been called the Gilmore's or something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: opening scene would be at the eighteenth hole. Oh Richard,
Speaker 1: you know I, oh yeah, another hundred grand on that one,
Speaker 1: nice pot pal. You know, how's Laurela doing. She's fantatic.
Speaker 1: You know, it would have been that show, right, It
Speaker 1: would not have been a quirky mother daughter drama. It
Speaker 1: would not have been as delightful and charming as this show.
Speaker 1: So it should not have been Laurel. I that's the
Speaker 1: point of Gilmore Girls. I was just about to say that.
Speaker 1: I've it shouldn't have been Lorelie. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I vote that way is I think they're great young
Speaker 1: love story. Like I love that story, and I just
Speaker 1: I don't think I see them in their forties. I
Speaker 1: think it was young love. They had a baby, and
Speaker 1: they get each other and they get all their you know,
Speaker 1: little little things about them, and they know each other
Speaker 1: more than anyone else, like childhood friends do. But that's
Speaker 1: where it ends. That's where it ends. It's almost too familiar, right,
Speaker 1: it's too familiar. There's a big, big world out there
Speaker 1: full of really interesting people. And you know, he's you know,
Speaker 1: the show should have been called um should it should
Speaker 1: have been Christopher? And no, it should not have been
Speaker 1: It's kind of an insult to Laurel life. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think yes. I think you say yes to Laurel,
Speaker 1: I you know at the time, but you say no
Speaker 1: to Christopher about the same same amount of times. I think.
Speaker 1: My take on it is it should have been Laurelie.
Speaker 1: My response is too soon to tell. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think the jury is in. Riley, you have the
Speaker 1: final vote. I agree with Danielle on this one, three
Speaker 1: to one against the sugar shark Amy. Sugar shack opening.
Speaker 1: And you can still be best friends, best friends, you know,
Speaker 1: but things, best friends, co parenting. Just you know that
Speaker 1: the relationship had its moment. He leads with her heart.
Speaker 1: Don't falter for that. She leads with her heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I stand strong on it. To be continued, Amy's mad,
Speaker 1: She's like, whatever, guys favorite lines? Amy, what's your favorite line?
Speaker 1: I wonder? I mean, I really that tickled me. But
Speaker 1: there are a lot of them, and you know, just
Speaker 1: one of those weird lulls happens occasionally. I was in
Speaker 1: there on that one too. Right. Oh, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't speak geek right right right, outer limits Riley favorite
Speaker 1: line I love When I was talking about her humor
Speaker 1: and she goes. Yeah, it comes and goes. You'll learn,
Speaker 1: You'll learn to see the signs. Danielle, I stand by.
Speaker 1: You have a very smooth dress, smooth address. Yeah. Suk's line, Um, god,
Speaker 1: I don't know favorite line. There were so many, there
Speaker 1: were so many. I Kenny, what was what was? You know?
Speaker 1: It's gotta It's gotta be Michelle. I thought, Michelle showed
Speaker 1: up and stole the episode. It's like the Evil Girl
Speaker 1: get Away from the Evil Girl. Absolutely absolutely loved Paris
Speaker 1: at the door and she's all, can I come in
Speaker 1: and guess? And then Laurel I went to the bedroom
Speaker 1: to see what was going on, and and and Paris
Speaker 1: got This was by far the most layer, the most intricate,
Speaker 1: the funniest, the most dramatic, the highest level of drama,
Speaker 1: the highest level of comedy of any episode I've seen
Speaker 1: so far. I thought this was the ultimate episode. Um,
Speaker 1: are they actually going to top this? I mean, does
Speaker 1: this show this good? Yes? It is. Wow, I'm very impressed.
Speaker 1: I am very very impressed. Well, the next episode we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into, number fifteen is called Lost and Found,
Speaker 1: So everybody out there, best fans in the world, please
Speaker 1: watch that. And we will opine on it UH soon anyway,
Speaker 1: I want to thank uh Danielle Romo, Riley pelusis the
Speaker 1: newly crowned queen a podcasting pop culture UH, and Amy Sugarman,
Speaker 1: who is still putting the flames out around her in
Speaker 1: her own house. Be okay, alright, guys, have a good one, uh,
Speaker 1: and everybody stay safe out there. All the best m
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