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Speaker 1: it in this brand new book took two years to

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Speaker 1: fighting back against America's crime wave. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: be power less. You can fight back. And let's start

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Speaker 1: with you in your car driving dangers. I want you

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Speaker 1: to meet who I now consider a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Dorothy Baker. She's a mother of six,

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Speaker 1: First of all, Dorothy Baker, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: of course, Dorothy Baker. Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at Butler snow dot com. Karen Stark,

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Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark

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Speaker 1: dot com. Steve Lampley detective all They of twelve and

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Speaker 1: Murdered on Amazon at Steve Lampley dot com. Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on

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Speaker 1: Amazon and Starve and You Showed Poisonous Liaisons on the

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Speaker 1: True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, Tom Pateri, America's leading

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Speaker 1: it's awesome. And to Ray Kiputo, lead news anchor w

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Speaker 1: the rest of Dorothy's story. But crimes on people in

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Speaker 1: to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Took over

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Speaker 1: With me. Special guest Tom Petteri, America's leading personal safety expert,

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Speaker 1: if their predators around every corner. Because Nancy reality is

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Speaker 1: is that there are crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys

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Speaker 1: we're talking about don't be a victim fighting back against

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Speaker 1: America's Crime Wave, a new book that took over two

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Speaker 1: years to write. For you to take back the power

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Speaker 1: and fight back against criminals. Don't be a statistic. Jenna

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Speaker 1: Zipton WSLS tells us the story of Heather she Can.

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Speaker 1: An investigation underway after a woman was found dead in

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Speaker 1: a vehicle in Spotsylvania County. Deputy has discovered twenty one

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Speaker 1: year old Heather Scone's body in the passenger seat of

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Speaker 1: her car Monday. The car was parked at the end

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Speaker 1: of a driveway about thirty minutes from her home. Police

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Speaker 1: say she had been shot at Her death is suspicious.

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Speaker 1: Police don't know of any connection between the woman and

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Speaker 1: the home where she was found. Her parents say she

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Speaker 1: lived with them and told them she was going to

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Speaker 1: help a friend whose car broke down. Now the family

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Speaker 1: is pleading for answers. Please, if anybody has any information,

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Speaker 1: can bring whoever did this to justice, please do so.

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Speaker 1: Family members believe she was killed by another woman. They

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Speaker 1: say she had been recently getting death threats, so lured

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Speaker 1: out in her car on the side of the road,

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Speaker 1: try to repair a flat, everything goes wrong. Heather dead?

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Speaker 1: How did it happen? And what can we do to

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Speaker 1: stop crimes like that. Back to Tom Petteri, America's leading

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Speaker 1: expert personal safety author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook,

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Speaker 1: and it's awesome pulling over to fix a flat. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: it hurts me to even say it, Tom. I know

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Speaker 1: one of the newest ploys out there is that that

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Speaker 1: flat was set up. In most cases it was done

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Speaker 1: with a little puncture of a sole leak, somebody following you,

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Speaker 1: waiting for, you know, an isolation zone, and then take

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Speaker 1: advantage of you know, the old adage was stay in

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Speaker 1: your car, call the police and wait. The new adages

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Speaker 1: ride that car on the rim as you're calling the police.

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Speaker 1: Don't stop the vehicle and they will be within prompt time.

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Speaker 1: All right. The police are there to help, but they

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Speaker 1: can't help if they don't know. So don't pull over

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Speaker 1: in isolation zones. No matter what, the vehicle can be replaced,

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Speaker 1: but you cannot. I go through pages and pages of

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Speaker 1: tips that I've gotten from experts from real life cases

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Speaker 1: to help you not be a victim when it comes

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Speaker 1: to being in your car. Don't be a victim. Here

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Speaker 1: are a few, of course. Make sure your doors are locked.

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Speaker 1: How often do you drive around with them unlocked. Don't

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Speaker 1: do it at red lights when you park you're sitting target.

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Speaker 1: Some repairs have to wait. I get it, but not

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Speaker 1: when it comes to your doors being locked. You heard

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Speaker 1: Dorothy say she thought she locked her car, but her

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Speaker 1: key fob wasn't working. The car never locked. When you

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Speaker 1: find yourself stopped to traffic, being at a red light

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Speaker 1: or stop sign, waiting for the person in front of

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Speaker 1: you to move, always leave plenty of space between yourself

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Speaker 1: and them so you're never blocked in to Tomati Erie.

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Speaker 1: Why is that so important, Well, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that people do is called the box and two. A

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Speaker 1: boxing two is basically to get you in a situation

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Speaker 1: where you can't move the vehicle. When you can't move

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Speaker 1: the vehicle, you are at their bay. So if you

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Speaker 1: give yourself that little extra out, you always stay out

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Speaker 1: of fast lanes when you're coming to a light. If

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Speaker 1: you are at a light and somebody approaches you, look

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Speaker 1: left and right go through the light. You could always

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Speaker 1: explain to the police officer, listen, you are fear of

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Speaker 1: your life and this is why you did what you do.

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Speaker 1: We have to start listening to ourselves, our situational awareness

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Speaker 1: is inside of us. That's the tingling all the experts

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Speaker 1: talked about before. Be your own bodyguard by being proactive,

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Speaker 1: be super cautious at crowded intersections. How often has squeegee

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Speaker 1: guys come up? Street vendors, people asking for money, panhandles,

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Speaker 1: newspaper water salesman. I learned the hard ways the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: that very often youths are tricked by adults into working scams.

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Speaker 1: You let your window down to buy a bottle of

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Speaker 1: water or a candy bar from a kid who looks

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Speaker 1: like they're trying to earn money, and the next thing

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody comes in from the other side and

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Speaker 1: gets in your car. And that's why your car has

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Speaker 1: got to be a lot and the windows up when

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Speaker 1: you come to intersect intersections. Agree or disagree? Steve Lampley agree,

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Speaker 1: Nancy agree. Even as a retired police officer, I do

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Speaker 1: that I leave space enough room between me and the

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Speaker 1: vehicle in front of me. If I need to get out,

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Speaker 1: I can. I sit still, and some people call me paranoid.

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Speaker 1: I just call it being observant and being safe. I

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Speaker 1: still sit with my back in the corner in a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: These are things too second nature. It is, and I

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Speaker 1: know everybody can't sit in the corner in a restaurant

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Speaker 1: is over thes But you have to do the things

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Speaker 1: that you have to do to keep yourself, your friends

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Speaker 1: and family safe. Like locking your door. For me now

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Speaker 1: a second nature. I immediately punch the butt until locking

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Speaker 1: my doors, avoid distractions, keep the volume low on podcast

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Speaker 1: news or music. And in the same vein, do you

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Speaker 1: really need to update your Instagram or text while you're

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Speaker 1: a driving or while you're at a red light, or

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Speaker 1: after you park your car? Can't you do it when

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Speaker 1: you get home for Pete's sake? So show some self control.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. How many times

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Speaker 1: have you heard of death fatalities because people are on

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Speaker 1: their phone when they're driving, much less at red lights

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Speaker 1: and when they first part their car or sit back

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Speaker 1: down in their car in the parking lot. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Nancy. It used to be where

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Speaker 1: I was terrified of drunk drivers, and I still am,

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Speaker 1: but now I see you know, I'm a college professor.

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Speaker 1: I see kids walking around campus all the time with

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Speaker 1: their nose buried in a phone. I see people riding

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Speaker 1: around campus with their nose buried in the phone. There's

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Speaker 1: so many distractions in this world, and it is absolutely

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Speaker 1: terrifying because, like I have said, predators are looking for

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Speaker 1: that way in, They're looking for that leverage. They're looking

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Speaker 1: for that place where they can attack you and get

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Speaker 1: what they want, either property, maybe your wallet, maybe your car.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they want your car or at you know, in

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Speaker 1: these horrible situations your life, they want to do harm

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Speaker 1: to you and your family. And the reality is to

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Speaker 1: get the things you're mentioning, they will kill you to

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Speaker 1: get them. And to Jim Elliott, attorney with Butler Snow

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Speaker 1: at Butler snow dot com, Jim, isn't it a traffic

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Speaker 1: violation or a crime now? For you to be texting

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Speaker 1: and driving? Is every stage of adopted laws of that sort,

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Speaker 1: Yet you see people all the time doing it. It's amazing. Predators, criminals,

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Speaker 1: they can't wait for you to ease up at a

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Speaker 1: red light or stop sign and get on that phone.

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Speaker 1: You'll never hear them walking up to your driver's side door.

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Speaker 1: The next thing you know, the first thing you'll know,

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Speaker 1: that door is open and they're in your car. So

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Speaker 1: where are you supposed to go. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: they're in your car? They want something like Joe Scott said,

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Speaker 1: you're a pocketbook, your money, your laptop or you. So

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Speaker 1: many of these ladies are raped, sodomized and murdered, taken

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Speaker 1: out of their car. How are these people getting in?

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Speaker 1: That predator is just walking around that parking lot at

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Speaker 1: the CVS waiting for you to come part and then

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Speaker 1: look down on your phone. They can't wait. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Karen start I keep talking about them like

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Speaker 1: their wolves. They very much are like let's just say

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Speaker 1: the hyena at the watering hole in the Seengetti. Here

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Speaker 1: we are the gazelle coming up to drink, and we're

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Speaker 1: not looking up, We're looking down, and that's just what

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Speaker 1: they want. Why after all this time, do we still

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Speaker 1: seem to go to our safe spot in our head

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Speaker 1: and not realize what's going on around us. Well, there's

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Speaker 1: so many distractions, especially today against as you said, we've

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Speaker 1: got iPhones. We could look at social media, and there's

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Speaker 1: this false sense of security. It's just we're not living

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Speaker 1: anymore in where the Serengetti world. We're supposed to be

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Speaker 1: very conscious of the fact that we're prey, but we

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Speaker 1: are prey, and the more that you're in a vulnerable situation,

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Speaker 1: the more you're going to attract somebody who's just looking

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Speaker 1: to attack you. Don't give rides to stranger. Think Ted Bundy.

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Speaker 1: Charge your phone, keeper charger in your car, use GPS,

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Speaker 1: Be careful when you ask strangers for directions. What do

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Speaker 1: you do if you have a flat or a car trouble?

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Speaker 1: What do you do if somebody bumps into you on

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Speaker 1: purpose at a red light. I'm not trying to scare you,

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Speaker 1: none of us on the panel today, or trying to

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Speaker 1: scare you or actually trying to save your life. Don't

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Speaker 1: be a victim. Fight back. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,