1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: I see, for the most part the intentious there for 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: people who are running teams and showcases and things like that. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: They want to help kids, they just don't know how 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: de proactive. Don't rely on someone else you know to 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: help you. This is your future. You're position yourself with 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: good people with good references and things like that, but 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: you have got to be proactive in the process. This 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: is the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring healthy 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: balance and perspective in all areas of sports through education 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonaccourt from the Reformed 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Sports Project podcast. My guest today is the owner and 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: founder of the Dirt Bags Baseball Club and Impact Baseball. 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Andy Parton. Coach Parton pioneered the idea of promoting high 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: school baseball players both online and on field in showcase events. 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: His goal was to help them reach collegiate and professional 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: levels of baseball. Andy and I dive deep into the 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: travel sports industry, including its bad reputation, how travel coaches 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: interact with school coaches at all levels, and how to 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: manage player and parent expectations when looking at college man. 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: I am freaking once again fired up. I got another 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: awesome guest. We connected a couple of years ago. Man, 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: great dude, got to build a good, strong relationship with him. 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: He's here in North Carolina, founder and coached one of 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: the top travel and showcase organizations in the country, Dirt 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: Backs Baseball. The Dirt Backs coach Andy part and coach Parton. Man, 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: thanks for hopping on, sir. Thank you so much. Man, 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: I'm humble to be talking to you. Well, hell yeah, 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. I like that someone's 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: humbled to talk to me. Thank you is I'm humble 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: to talk to you like that. Thank you boost my 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: ego for the day. Man. I appreciate you. Man. Well, 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: you know we're talking you know everything youth sports athletic development. 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: You're someone who's you know, really you know, been on 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: the forefront of this thing. You know, started way back 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, and you know, obviously now 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: having one of the most formidable organizations in the country, 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: competing on the national scene, winning championships, developing players across 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: the country, have guys in the big leagues, colleges all 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: over the place, and you know, kids at every age. 40 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: You know, in your organization, what I want to ask coaches, 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, when you go back to when you started. 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: Can you tell us why? Can you talking about why 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: you decided to start the dirt bags kind of your 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: whole why behind the whole deal. Yeah, that's a that's 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: a great question. And I'm asked that, you know, every 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: now and then, and uh, I don't have like a 47 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: super sexy answer because back then I didn't know what 48 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: it would become today. So you know, saying saying things 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: are things are changing, you know each year, um, kind 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: of as we evolve. But back then, you know, I 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: started the dirt Bags back in two thousand and two, 52 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: and it was really piggyback and off another company that 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: started called Impact Baseball back in two thousand one. And 54 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: as a high school kid, I just didn't have and 55 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know it back then. You know, I'm just 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: going through the process like everybody else. I was a 57 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: good high school player, got injured, but just really didn't 58 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: have anybody there who pushed me along. There was nobody 59 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: there that really educated me on college baseball. There was 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: not There was never any talk about college baseball, professional baseball. 61 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean a showcase was was unheard of. That was 62 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: just real. There wasn't really any vehicles for for recruitment 63 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: so to speak back then. UM, so really, once I 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: got done planned at nineteen years old, I started to, Uh, 65 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: somebody told me about a publication called Team one and 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: there's a guy in Jeff Spellman ran that and they 67 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: started ranking kids throughout the state. And I knew a 68 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: couple of the kids that they had ranked, so I 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: checked that out and then I started something called Partons picks. 70 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Don't laugh at that ump his best name I could 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: come up at the time, and I started writing, uh, 72 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, just nice things about certain kids that would 73 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: run across and then you know, kind of that grew legs. 74 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you the quick version here that 75 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: bore anybody. But then it went to carolinea prospects. Um 76 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: we did that were we basically came up with a 77 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: list and we ranked kids by position in the state 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: of North Carolina by grand class. And that was the 79 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: first thing. There was nothing like that in uh in 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: this area, so that got a lot of attention. We 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: ended up running we called a showcase, and I tried 82 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: to explain to my girlfriend at the time, I'm twenty 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: two years old, and I said, look, strangers are gonna 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: send me a check in the mail, and we're gonna 85 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: do what they call a showcase. I've never run a 86 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: showcase before. And she laughed at me, and uh, I said, look, 87 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: these people are gonna pay for this because this is exposure. 88 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: This is what kids don't have, this is what I 89 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: didn't have. And it happened. We had like eighty something 90 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: kids sign up. We had over thirty college coaches. This 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: was unheard of, you know, in this area, and it 92 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: that just kind of grew legs. I was working with 93 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: somebody at the time. We ended up splitting the part 94 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: and I came up with Impact Baseball in two thousand 95 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: one and we started running showcases and tournaments way back then. 96 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: So then the next year to that, the two is 97 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: when I started to have teams and I had coached 98 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: right after I had got done playing. Um I ended 99 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: coaching three years at the high school. I went to 100 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: as an assistant. And I just love coaching, you know, 101 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: just just like everybody. You know, that's just once you 102 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of get out of playing man and if you 103 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: got that calling, I just I love to coach. I 104 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: love to help people, and I really you know, as 105 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm getting older, it's it's like, yeah, I like coaching. 106 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: I love baseball, but I like teaching and I like 107 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: helping people. And that's kind of what I'm I'm figuring 108 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: out as I'm getting older, and I just used baseball 109 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: to kind of to kind of feel that, you know 110 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So back then, I just you know, 111 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: I formed a team and we were really good. We 112 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: had some success, and there was nobody back then, you know, 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: promoting showcase teams. I was the first guy that I 114 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: can think of. The only other guy to do it 115 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: was a guy named Mike Schilt and that's a that's 116 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: a name you guys probably familiar with. He was the 117 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: manager for the Cardinals and I ended up, you know, 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: becoming good friends with Mike. And I was actually his 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: associate scout when he was coming through. He was the 120 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: area scouting supervisor at Cardinal before we started coaching with them, 121 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: and we would just play each other on the weekends. 122 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: We would play each other at Carolina, We would play 123 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: each other in NC State, at at Elon, at UNC Charlotte, 124 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: and it was fun, you know. We started doing that 125 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: and they started helping kids, and then it went for 126 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: one team to two teams to four teams, and you know, 127 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: it just kind of has has grown legs from there. 128 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: And um, obviously with success, you know, other people are 129 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: gonna jump on boards. So other other people out there 130 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: saw success, and you know other people are doing it 131 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: now and then it's really hard today, Nick to fall 132 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: through the cracks. I would say I was a good 133 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: player coming through high school and fell through the cracks. 134 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: There's so many people like me coming through the system 135 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: back then that nobody ever heard of. You know, there's 136 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: just uh, there was just no vehicle, like I said earlier, 137 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: to help kids get recruited. And hopefully I know for 138 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: a fact today you know we've created that four kids, 139 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: and there's so many people out there trying to help 140 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: kids today that it's really hard to fall through the cracks. 141 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: You know, you bring up a good point. Shout out 142 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: to my former coach Jerry Edwards, who's down there at 143 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Jacksonville now. You know, Jerry, I'm sure coach. We had 144 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: a conversation here and we talked about our days back 145 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, Wesley and when Mike Fox was there 146 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: and Charlie Long and you know, we're winning national titles, 147 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: competing on the national sheet scene and half of our 148 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: roster was from the Northeast, and I asked Coach Fox, 149 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, what was that like your intent? He goes yeah. 150 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because there was a time, Nick, 151 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: where I could drive around the state of New Jersey. 152 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't even need a map, like I knew where 153 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: I was going, I knew the schools, and you know, 154 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: the whole pitch was, let's bring some of these kids 155 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: that were tweener kids and we're gonna get them down 156 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: to the South. You know, kids that might be mid 157 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: major D one guys or D one guys in the Northeast. 158 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: Let's bring him down here and and win national titles. 159 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: And it worked for years, and Coach Edwards told me, 160 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: he goes, Nick, It'd be so hard to do that 161 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: now at the Division three level because half of our 162 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 1: team could have played. I mean, I know our pitching staff, 163 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Buddy Ernandez, Shawn Fleming, James Pitney, Jason Sigley, these guys 164 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: could have pitched in the A C. C. For crying 165 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: out loud, I mean we had a guy in our 166 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: buddy Hernandez, who was on the forty man for the 167 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Braves for three years. I mean, you know, these guys 168 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: were on our staff and they were d one guys. 169 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: So to your point, there are no secrets anymore. So 170 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, though with that comes 171 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: like you mentioned your success and other organizations like hers 172 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: who have had success. A lot of times people will 173 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: say it's become somewhat watered down, you know, water down, 174 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: and that there are so many teams, so many showcases 175 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: that the travel organizations get a bad in many cases, 176 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: a bad rep, you know, like a lot of people 177 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: are out there just for the money. Can you talk 178 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: about that, because there's certainly that's that's a black cloud 179 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: that hovers over it's not just baseball, but the entire 180 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: travel industry. Yeah, you know, the world is filled with 181 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: uh with with some awful people, and it's so different 182 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: in travel baseball. Now there are a handful of people 183 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: like that, but obviously the world and travel baseball is 184 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: filled with awesome people, you know that people that that 185 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: want to help. But I think I think for the 186 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: most part, is there for people who are running teams 187 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: and showcases and things like that, they to help kids, 188 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: they just don't know how, all right, There's not many 189 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: people out there, not many organizations that can actually help kids. 190 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about just uh not from just a 191 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: development standpoint, you know, practice and things like that I'm 192 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: talking about, can actually pick up a phone and make 193 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: a call to a college coach and that phone call work. 194 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these guys they just don't know. Um, 195 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: they don't have those relationships, and you know, they just 196 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: haven't been doing it very long. And I think that's 197 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: just kind of today. You everybody wants success very quickly, 198 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: and I've been doing it for twenty years. You know 199 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: it's taking me that long to get to And plus 200 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I was, like you mentioned earlier, was kind of one 201 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: of the early ones, um. And it's the same college 202 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: coaches today that there was back then. Obviously a lot 203 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: of the arrow guys, but a lot of those guys today. 204 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned one already. Um, you know, so the black 205 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: I I hate that trowcase organizers and uh, travel team 206 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: organizations kinda are put in that box. Um, there's some 207 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: great people out there. You know, you're gonna have to 208 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: do your homework as mom and dad, um, but remember 209 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: these are the people that can actually help. And I 210 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: hear that quite often in youth baseball and then at 211 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: a high school baseball. You know this organization, they charge 212 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: this much money, you know they're only in it for 213 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: the money. Well, people have got to be reasonably compensated. 214 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure what you do for a living 215 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: or what people do for a living that are listening 216 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: to this podcast, but I assume those people have bills. 217 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: And I know that you know, the grocery store, they 218 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: don't give away food for free. And the gas stations obviously, 219 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: those gas prices are getting hired and high, so things 220 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: cost money, and so we're all trading time for money. 221 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: You know, you need to be reasonably compensated. And again, 222 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: these are the people that can actually help your kid. 223 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: Mom and dad don't seem to have a problem with 224 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: given Marriott or Hilton, you know, for a week's trip 225 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: down to Atlanta, Georgia, you know, and spending thousands of 226 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: dollars during that. You know, Mom and dad don't even 227 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: have a problem dropping for you know, on a new back. 228 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: But you know, people don't pay to play on you know, 229 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: a team that can actually help their kids. So that's 230 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: such a valuable point. And when you were talking about 231 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: being able to pick up the phone and quite frankly, 232 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: you know what I have learned you know since starting 233 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: Reform Sports Project, is that the baseball community small man. 234 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: I was fortunate to play in college, and I played 235 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: a little, you know, one year of pro ball, but 236 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: I have as you know, we have many mutual friends 237 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: who are in the game at high levels. And man, 238 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: if I get on the phone with a coach and say, hey, 239 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: I really like this kid here, They're gonna take me seriously, 240 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: like there is definitely a value in having relationships, and 241 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: I've actually been told by Power five coaches like it 242 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: means a lot more when a coach vouches for a player. 243 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: And another good question I want to ask us. Let's 244 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: say you get on the phone with Brian O'Connor, uh, 245 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, from University of Virginia just uses as our 246 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Scott Forbes whoever from Carolina, and you say, hey, Forbes, 247 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: I love this kid. What are the questions he's gonna 248 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: ask you about that kid? That's I'm glad you brought 249 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: that up of it, and that seems to be something 250 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: that parents and players are really misinformed about. If I'm 251 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: talking to coach Forbes about a player or coach O'Connor whoever, 252 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: really are they gonna ask me like, is this kidny good, 253 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: but they already know he's good. That's why that's when 254 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: we're talking. Um, it's usually not a lot to do 255 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: with the skill level. Now that if they hadn't seen 256 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: that kid very often, I had to see him enough 257 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: maybe so at one time, you know, we can get 258 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: into that type of stuffing and they will. Um. You know, 259 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: and those guys like to they want to know that 260 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: they're right to, you know, they want to know, like, hey, 261 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm not missing something? Am I? From a skill standpoint? 262 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: But most of the stuff is is make up? Hey 263 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: does he does he show up on time? You know? What? 264 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: What's he like? Man? To his teammates like him? You know? 265 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: Do his do his coaches like him? You know? How's 266 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: he doing? Like I want to say, talking almost all 267 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: thirty Major league teams this past year about Khalil Watson, 268 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: who was the first rounder of this past year, and 269 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: none of those guys asked me do you think Khalil 270 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: is good? They just wanted to know, you know, what 271 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: kind of kid is he? And so if that's what 272 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: these coaches are really asking, you know, unless they just 273 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: haven't seen a kid, or maybe if somebody had as 274 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: a recommendation or something like that. You know that they 275 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: don't know, they'll call. They'll you know, if the kid 276 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: does play for for me or something like that, they'll call. 277 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: And you know, we may talk a little bit about 278 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: skill level, but a lot of us got to do 279 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: with the makeup. When we come back, Andy and I 280 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: chat about expectations and the conflict around prioritizing one team 281 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: over another when playing on multiple teams. When we left off, 282 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: Andy and I were about to discuss how to manage 283 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: player and parent expectations on which school and division level 284 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: makes sense for that. You know, one of the other 285 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: hot topics obviously is the transfer portal. And and some 286 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: people will will point a finger and say, well, a 287 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: lot of times these parents and kids are misinformed that 288 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: their talent is a Division one talent. And you know 289 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: that everyone likes to point the finger right past the buck. 290 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: But even Coach Fox told me goes, it's hard for 291 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: parents to look at their kids through you know, they're 292 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: looking up through rose colored glasses. It's hard to be 293 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: up jective. You know it is, it's your kid. It's hard. 294 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: But here's the double edged sword, Andy, is that people 295 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: need to hear the truth. But for crying out. A 296 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: lot a lot of them don't want to hear the truth, right, 297 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: So don't allow them don't and then they'll go, They'll 298 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: go find somewhere that tells them what they want to hear. 299 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: So like, I'm gonna use these college names because I 300 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: know him. But let's say let's say you know, a 301 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: kid is a college level player, right, but he wants 302 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: to go to North Carolina NC State, right, the Power 303 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: five school, but his talent manly be good enough to play. Now, 304 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this as if it's a step back, 305 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: but it's really not at Mount Olive, un C Pembroke 306 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: right top twenty five national contending Division two programs, or 307 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: even North Carolina Wesley In or mephis at Division three 308 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: school that can go win a national title. Like, are 309 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: you gonna be forthcoming with that kid and with those 310 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: parents and say, hey, I know you can play in college, 311 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: but you're probably better off taking a look at these 312 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: smaller schools. How do you manage that? That's a great question. 313 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: So the first thing I would say is, you know, 314 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: where do you want to go? You know that that 315 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: would be the conversation as they say I want to go, 316 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: do Okay, great, you want to go to Duke, Well, 317 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: this is where this is what guys at Duke look like. 318 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: This is you know, and let's talk about your skill 319 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: set and kind of where you are physically. Do you 320 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: want to go to Duke, Well, you're gonna have to 321 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: be able to do X, Y and Z. Okay, so 322 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do this, this and this to 323 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: get to that level. So if you want to get 324 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: to that level, you'll have to improve these things. And 325 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: then it all becomes, uh, you know, do I have 326 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: the time to do that? You know, if it's kids 327 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: a senior in high school, it's probably not gonna work out, 328 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: all right. But if this kid is a younger kid, well, 329 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: now I can help give him a plan, all right, 330 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Now I can help it get to where I think 331 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: he needs to get to to get to that level. 332 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: All right. But if we're talking about comparing, uh, you 333 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: know some of these really really good smaller schools you 334 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: want to have these kids and these parents. Have you 335 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: seen these schools play, Darren? I mean, I don't know 336 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: of many Division one schools that want to go down 337 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: to Mount all of the play or go to UNC. 338 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: Pimber can play because they're gonna lose and they don't 339 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: want that. Um it's like, uh, it's so I don't 340 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: know where and I don't know why, and I hate 341 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: hereing this. You know, the season has started, you know, 342 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: this whole thing. Remember this on line this past week 343 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: because Division one season and started. Well, all the smaller 344 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: schools have already started. To me that, well, the season 345 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: has already started. So why are why are we so 346 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: excited now? You know, just because Division one baseball is happening. Obviously, 347 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, kids grow up they see you know, we're 348 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: talking about a CC you know around here, they see 349 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: a CEC basketball and football and things like that on TV. 350 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: So that's kind of what they're growing up, you know seeing. 351 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: So I get that side of it. But my advice 352 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: to every kid, into every parent is go watch these 353 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: guys play. Go watch North Carolina Wesleyan play, and you 354 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: will be shocked, surprisingly shocked that you're not as good 355 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: as those kids. But we're talking about some really, really 356 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: good players. Now, these guys are good players come out 357 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: of high school. But I don't think mom and dad 358 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: and kids know a lot of these guys who went 359 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: to these big schools, and it didn't pan out for him. 360 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: You know where they're transferring to Scarla Westling, they're transferring, 361 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: So you're talking about, you know, a different type of athlete. 362 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: You know a lot of these smaller schools now and 363 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: those are the guys you know, kicking everybody's ass. All 364 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: these bells are going off in my head. We both 365 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: know Matt McKay shout out Matt McKay. Uh, my former 366 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: teammate at Wesley And when I was a freshman, he 367 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: was a sophomore, he was an All American. Well then 368 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: after that season, you know, coach Fox took the job 369 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: at Carolina and McKay actually went with him and ended 370 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: up being a two year starter at Carolina. And that's 371 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: summer or that spring now here we are. Our team 372 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: took a trip to Chapel Hill and we watched Carolina 373 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: play and here we are, we're one, like number one 374 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: in the country at the time. That was the year 375 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: we won the national title. But I remember watching now 376 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Carolina at the time that Tyrell Godwin, Um, you know 377 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: he was the first rounder, right, I mean just that 378 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: they were loaded. Now Here, I am watching guys who 379 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: play at Chip who are my age thinking man, that 380 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: ball comes out of their hand differently. Man. Now watching 381 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: them field the groundball, you know, watching them place you know, 382 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: small ball, I felt like we can play with them, 383 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: but I mean they're bigger and stronger. Man. I played 384 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: summer ball with these guys and then they're different. They're 385 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: built different. And like we talked about off fair before, 386 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: our staff had guys stingine three, which was a big 387 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: deal back then. But now, for God's sakes, turn on Twitter. 388 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: You got guys stowing nine to a hundred and every 389 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: level of college baseball. It's unbelievable. And I think one 390 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: of the things that stands out to me is the 391 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: strength training. You know, there's a massive difference I think 392 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: than it was twenty plush years ago on strength training 393 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: and hitting the weight room, which I think is I 394 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: think it shows on the field. How do you incorporate 395 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: strength training? I know it's something you're passionate about with 396 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: these kids, asn't developing through your program? Yeah, just you know, 397 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: as a young kid twelve years old, I mean, you know, 398 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: my dad was really big into fitness and things like that. 399 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: I remember him showing the kind of lift waiste and 400 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: I remember it carrying over, you know, as a young kid, 401 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: just messing around the way m not not like I 402 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: had a program, you know, to follow, but just doing 403 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: that type of stuff. But I remember, man, this this 404 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: does help. I wasn't the biggest guy, but you know, 405 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: I was one of the stronger kids at that age 406 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: because I was doing that and nobody else was. And 407 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I was ahead of anybody or anything 408 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: like that, but it made me realize at a young age. 409 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: And then I've kind of carried that through, you know, 410 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: my life. And I mean in two thousand eleven, I 411 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: was a high school baseball coach and four se country day, 412 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: we broke the state record in home runs. We had 413 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: sixty two on runs as a team. Now that's a 414 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: lot for a high school team. But this is what 415 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: we did. Two days a week. We met at the 416 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: weight room and then you know, we lifted for forty 417 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: five minutes and then we went to practice. So during 418 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: the season, dent during the season. Obviously we lifted weights 419 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: in the off season, but guys, this is what happens. 420 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: I think, you know, and then this could be a 421 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: really long conversation, so I don't want to think too 422 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: much time, but you know, the off season is so important. 423 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: I think guys get excited about the weight room and 424 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: things like that in the off season and then it's like, 425 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: all right, seasons here and they just shut it down. 426 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: And then what happens. What these guys get they stopped 427 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: with the weights, all right, So then there, you know, 428 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: they start to lose strength. And because they're on the 429 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: field all day, you know, and practice and things like that, 430 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: they're not resting, they're not recovering, they're not eating, they're 431 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: not staying hydrated. They're starting to lose weight. And obviously, 432 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: is you lose weight, you're gonna lose strengths, especially if 433 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: you're not trying to maintain and that's the key word, 434 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: you maintain um, your strength during the season. It's funny 435 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about this. We just sent this out. I 436 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: just did a video for the kids in our organization 437 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: and sent in their in season high school spring plan. 438 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: And in that video we're talking about, you know, the 439 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: importance of you know, still trying to you know, find 440 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: one to two days a week where you can maintain 441 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: that strength. Um. It's just I don't know why, And 442 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: I think mom and Dad, I think kids sometimes coaches, 443 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: for sure, they just don't put the emphasis on the 444 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: strength plan, especially during the season days. They see it 445 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: as dangerous and things like that. You know, lifting weights 446 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: and getting stronger is going to keep you healthy. It's 447 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: gonna keep you healthy longer. I remember at the end 448 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: of the season, that's when you're trying to win championships, right, 449 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: So you want to be at your strongest. You don't 450 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: want to be at your weakest because if you stop 451 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: with the weights during the season, your your your strength 452 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: and things are gonna decline, right, So you want to 453 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: be on a steady incline or at least may maintaining 454 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: your strength during the season. So you know, I don't 455 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: have time. I hear that all the time, Like you 456 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: gotta be kidney, dude, you don't have time. You can't 457 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: find one hour a week, that's all it's gonna take, 458 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, and you can just do some basic stuff, 459 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, to maintain that strength. Now, I think everyone 460 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: is seeking the quote unquote like the plan. I need 461 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: the best plan. You don't need the best plan. You 462 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: need to move a little bit of heavyweight, a lot 463 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: of fests, low reps, so we're not breaking down a 464 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: lot of muscle tissues. So we're not sore. And I 465 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: think that's what people don't want to I don't want 466 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: the soreness during the season because guys are already soared 467 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: from you know, running around the field all day. There's 468 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: ways to do that. There's obviously differences, you know, between 469 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: off season and in season and things like that. But 470 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: if you talk to kids who move along to play 471 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: college baseball, what's the biggest adjustment when you get there 472 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: in the fall where they talk about, Man, they talk 473 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: about the weight room, the strength training is so you 474 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: know that part of it is so overwhelming for many 475 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: of these guys because they've ever done it before. Why 476 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to get three or four years ahead 477 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: of the game. That's a great point, man, And I 478 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: want to want to touch on one other things you 479 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: mentioned bringing up time right, not enough time And a 480 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: lot of our kids, a lot of your kids are 481 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: playing high school ball and they're playing travel, right, So 482 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: how do they prioritize How do you as someone who's 483 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: coaching these kids seventeen, you eight, and you whatever it is, 484 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: because some of them get confused, like which one is 485 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: the priority is that my school or is in my travel? 486 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: How do you navigate that during the season. Well, for 487 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: us hard you know, the school season is top priority. 488 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Nothing that the dirtbags, you know, do should interfere with 489 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: high school season or middle school season. Okay, And it's 490 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: it's funny. We have people that work with us who 491 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: have children in other sports and they're playing let's say, uh, 492 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: middle fool soccer girls soccer. We have we have a 493 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: lady that works with us, and she says their daughter 494 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: leaves middle school school season soccer to go to her 495 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: select team soccer practice, and that's accepted. That's kind of like, Hey, 496 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: that happens. That's that's weird, you know, because I know 497 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: your audience is just from multiple sports, but in baseball, 498 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: to me, that's a big note. You know, we would 499 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: ever dream of of having a kid miss a school 500 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: activity of school team activity to do something that we're doing. Um, 501 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: it's it's got to be completely separate. Now, we would respect, 502 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: you know, we would hope we would get that equal 503 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: amount of respect in the summer, you know, when we're 504 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: having our season, you know, where the kids are having 505 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: to miss you know, some sort of school function or 506 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: something like that. But you know, we've gotta we've gotta 507 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: work together. And we've got a really good relationship you 508 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: know with a lot a lot of high school coaches 509 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: and they actually coach with us. And we've got, you know, 510 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: same type relationship with middle school coaches. And we have 511 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: both school coaches coach with us. So we've got to 512 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: work together. Um, you know, so we're not getting into this, uh, 513 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: this overuse type thing, he say, like middle school baseball 514 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: for example, I'm I'm coaching middle school right now form 515 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: a player of mine. You know, my son goes there. 516 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: He asked me to help coach, so we're doing that. 517 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: So I'm doing that with him. You know. He also 518 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: have our thirteen new dirtback scenes that my son's off. 519 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: But we're we don't interfere with the middle school season, 520 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, on purpose. So we got we gotta really 521 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: start thinking about overuse and and things like that as well. 522 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: So recovery is big. Coach, I want you to tell me, 523 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: if you know, what are these parents, what should these 524 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: kids be doing when you got the mic? You know, 525 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: what's the best way for them to put I know 526 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: we touched on a lot of this. What would be 527 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: the best piece of advice you'd give these high school 528 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: kids you know, freshman enough, how to put themselves in 529 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: the best position to be recognized and be seen, you know, 530 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: on the radar for college coaches. Be good. That's it. 531 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: Everyone is so interested in, Like what showcase should I 532 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: go through? What camp should I go through? You know, 533 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: what profiles did I make? And video and all this stuff? 534 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: And if you're good, like you say, things get so easy. 535 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: Putting way more of your time into your development, making 536 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: yourself a better baseball player, a better athlete in general. 537 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: You know what a college coach is looking for. I 538 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: hear that all the time. Well, you know, ask yourself, 539 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: if you're a college coach, where are you looking for? 540 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: You looking for you? We're gonna help you win games? Right, 541 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: So what is an athlete? As a baseball player or 542 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: wherever sport you play, What do you do that that 543 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: can actually help that college coach win games? That's what 544 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: they're looking for, you know. So you've got to spend 545 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: way more time on development. But but say you are 546 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: a good play here, I'll wrap this up. Be proactive. 547 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: Don't rely on someone else you know to help you. 548 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: This is your future. Okay. You're position yourself with good 549 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: people with good references and things like that. But you 550 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: have got to be proactive in the process. You need 551 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: to be calling those college coaches. You need to be 552 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: contacting those coaches. You need to be going to their 553 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: camps and taking those unofficial business, and you need to 554 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: try to seek all of that knowledge that can put 555 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: yourself in the position to move on to your highest level. 556 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: I love it, Andy Parton the dirt Bags check them out. 557 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: I love your content, love your message. Man. I'm grateful 558 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: for your time. I can't thank you enough for coming on. Brother. 559 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, Nick, I appreciate it. Man, thank you 560 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: so much for having me. That's Andy Parton, owner and 561 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: founder of Dirt Backs Baseball and Impact Baseball. Thanks for 562 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: listening to the Reformed Sports Project podcast. I'm Nick Boncourt 563 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: and our goal is to restore a healthy balance and 564 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: perspective in all areas of sport through education and advocacy. 565 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: For updates, please follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, 566 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: or check out our website by searching for the Reform 567 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: Sports Project.