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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, December eighteenth, and as

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Speaker 1: we're putting this episode out, a man in Florida is

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Speaker 1: and the state of Florida is going to execute what

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Speaker 1: is now the nineteenth inmate of the year, far far

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Speaker 1: surpassing its previous record. Welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ and Romes. I mentioned that, and this is

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Speaker 1: scheduled to be the last execution of the year, but

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Speaker 1: strangely enough, we'll get into why it might not be.

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Speaker 1: And just an execution night is always a solemn.

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Speaker 2: Night, it is, and the details surrounding what this man

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Speaker 2: was convicted of and what he's admitted to are especially horrific. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: anyone on death row has admitted the worst of the

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Speaker 2: worst crimes, but this one actually blew my mind when

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Speaker 2: I started reading the details. I didn't even know. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I haven't even ever heard of a teenage serial killer,

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Speaker 2: but that's what this man was.

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Speaker 1: And strangely enough, there was so much distance between tonight

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Speaker 1: his execution night and the night of the first murder

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Speaker 1: he ever committed. And we are talking about forty years ago.

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Speaker 1: This has been forty years almost that he has been

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Speaker 1: on death row to get to this point. Is this

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Speaker 1: justice anymore? Everybody involved in the case is dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: family members, a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: As we were researching this, it said so many of

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Speaker 2: the victim's family members who were seeking justice, who were

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Speaker 2: the family members who will talk about who is speaking out,

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Speaker 2: was two at the time of the murders. That's how

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Speaker 2: much time has passed. Four decades has passed since he

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Speaker 2: began his murder spring.

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Speaker 1: And it was her grandmother, the two year all you're

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Speaker 1: tell you where we are tonight, folks. Again, as we're

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Speaker 1: putting this episode out, six o'clock Eastern time is when

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Speaker 1: the lethal injection execution is to take place for Frank

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Speaker 1: Athan Walls, a fifty eight year old man who, as

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Speaker 1: you said, Robes, was involved in what at the time

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Speaker 1: were called the Tuesday murders, but he committed what helped

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Speaker 1: me with my account, five murders, five essentially between the

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Speaker 1: ages of seventeen and nineteen, all before the age of twenty.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of that before. And this all took

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Speaker 2: place in the Panhandle of Florida between yes nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: blowing to think someone that young could be that vicious

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Speaker 1: Well, it says again Frank Athan Walls. He is being

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Speaker 1: executed tonight for the conviction in a double murder in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. However, after he was caught and convicted

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Speaker 1: of that, he ends up making a deal in which

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Speaker 1: he is admitting to three other murders of women. Those murders,

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Speaker 1: This was just a bizarre detail, and they called him

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Speaker 2: At the time, Yeah, I had never heard of this,

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Speaker 2: Tuesday murders. All of the murders happened on a Tuesday

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Speaker 1: See anything or what was the Was this just a

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Speaker 2: Who knows. But obviously, if you've been slightly obsessed with

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Speaker 2: That was his mark. I'll do it on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Well, in nineteen eighty seven, on a Tuesday, here a

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Speaker 1: double murder. This is when he broke into the home

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Speaker 1: Edgar Alger, happened to be an airman's a US Service member.

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Speaker 1: These folks pretty vicious here. The woman and Louise Peterson

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Speaker 2: It might have been a crime of opportunity, but they

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Speaker 2: I was reading the details of this attack and look

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Speaker 2: Edward Alger. It just it's heartbreaking when you hear about this.

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Speaker 2: You put yourself in that place at that time, And

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Speaker 2: they said he fought like hell. He fought like hell,

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Speaker 2: the Tuesday killer, Frank Athan Wall, preferred to use a knife,

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Speaker 1: And to that point, the person he ends up admitting

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned the share was talking about how they

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Speaker 2: Yes, this was Audrey Geege. She was forty seven years

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Speaker 2: and she had children and actually grandchildren. And we will

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Speaker 2: read you her granddaughter's statement because it's very powerful and

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Speaker 1: And the killing he admitted to from the previous year,

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Speaker 1: This was vicious and I read somewhere he had no

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Speaker 1: just has these fits of rage sometimes that overcome him.

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Speaker 1: He in trying to explain some of his behavior, which

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Speaker 1: it seems like robes. He didn't have answers either. But

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Speaker 1: this is some This is some vicious stuff. In every

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Speaker 1: another one that just you're like Jesus.

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Speaker 2: She was lying out in the sun, sunbathing in her bikini.

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Speaker 2: This was in March of nineteen eighty five. She was

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Speaker 2: She was nineteen. Just can you I think about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, my daughters loved doing this. Laying out

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Speaker 2: But he admitted to raping her and slashing her throat,

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Speaker 2: and that was the first murder. Although he was never

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so an avoiding a trial. But yeah, idea, it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I was asking you, but it was possible. He was

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Speaker 1: that's why the deals were made.

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Speaker 1: I just that's tough roles when you talk about justice.

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Speaker 1: A conviction, okay, is one thing, but the punishment hasn't

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Speaker 1: been carried out. It's almost it sounds crazy, but if

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Speaker 1: the death penalty is carried out, and to wait forty

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Speaker 2: And so look, wherever you stand on the death penalty,

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Speaker 2: this is wrong. This is wrong because if you are

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Speaker 2: that sentence should be carried out. Yes, somebody has to

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Speaker 2: So fine, I understand there has to some period of

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Speaker 2: deterrent for criminals. First of all, no one thinks they're

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Speaker 2: a lot of them might think, yeah, but I'm still

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Speaker 2: going to have thirty years before I'm actually going to

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Speaker 2: I'll be able to overturn it. It doesn't feel as

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Speaker 2: is not the first time we have seen forty years

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Speaker 1: You were telling me there have been a couple more.

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Speaker 1: I remember the thirty seven. But this is just nobody. Again,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, no matter how you feel about it,

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Speaker 1: through forty years is too long for any family to

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Speaker 1: have to wait for justice to be carried out. We

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Speaker 1: did mention a family member. Some are speaking again with

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Speaker 1: so many I think I saw that a husband and

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Speaker 1: still fighting for her family. I applaud that I do too.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine she probably, I mean, obviously, she grew

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Speaker 2: she felt that even though she doesn't remember her grandmother,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure she sees pictures and has heard all the stories.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, she's passionate about this, and so she told

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Speaker 2: She told a local reporter, I am going to have

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Speaker 2: a drink and toast to my grandma and close that chapter.

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Speaker 2: She's probably pouring her drink right now as you listen

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Speaker 1: I didn't get word of who was attending. I don't

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Speaker 2: No, no, this this is something that at least we're here,

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Speaker 1: But what do they get? I mean, defendants, right, people

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Speaker 1: Why is anybody having to wait forty years for this

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Speaker 2: Yes, and he tried very like diligently through his attorneys

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, as you have been listening to us in

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Speaker 1: We'll explain. Stay here, Welcome back, folks to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. No matter what we talk about

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's life is life, and I

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Speaker 2: It's heavy. It's a solemn event, it's a solemn occasion,

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Speaker 2: and it marks closure for a lot of families. It

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Speaker 2: It's something you can't take back, it's not something you

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Speaker 2: We should, yes, make sure someone this evil Frank Athan

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Speaker 2: Walls clearly evil. I don't think that's even up for

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Speaker 1: If that gives them peace today, then God bless them.

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Speaker 1: That's just he wiped out and changed, he altered generations

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Speaker 1: Not twenty two, twenty four? And the first one was nineteen.

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Speaker 1: So again, folks, we say the country has been a

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Speaker 2: It's unclear. So the death warrant goes, as you said,

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Speaker 2: The problem was two of the members on this Board

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Speaker 2: It's not just that it's Christmas Eve. It's the holidays and.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's out of town. Everybody wants to do something else.

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Speaker 1: Certain they don't want to be dealing with this. And

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine if they do a Christmas Eve execution.

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Speaker 1: That's not happening.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't seem right possible.

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Speaker 1: So it would have to be much sooner now. If

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't appear they can get this worked out

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Speaker 1: the year and won't get to forty eight. But my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Florida nineteen executions this year, previous record with eight. Desantas

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Speaker 2: No, he isn't in Florida. I guess Georgia might have

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Speaker 2: But DeSantis, he was. He was dotting all those eyes

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. He's one that if you're on death row,

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Speaker 2: of Florida from DeSantis. He's made that very clear.

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Speaker 1: Don't bother to type that letter.

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Speaker 2: Don't even the phone could be off the hook, it's

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Speaker 2: not going to ring at the last second. I think

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Speaker 2: we feel very confident in that Florida no need.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, folks, Well, we always appreciate you, and

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Speaker 1: it's been a hell of a year with these executions,

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Speaker 1: but we always appreciate you spending some time and having

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Speaker 1: this year, I would say rogues. So, folks, we will

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Speaker 1: talk to you soon on behalf of my dear Amy Robot.

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Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Hawks.