Speaker 1: You ever noticed the more like the more luxury ship
Speaker 1: niggas have on the weaker their Oh yeah, because don't
Speaker 1: be like if your outfitish ten grade your peace sign so.
Speaker 2: Yo, but if you got that Walmart white tea at sharp,
Speaker 2: be sharp, dude, that's a Reebok piece.
Speaker 3: I need peace. I need this ship.
Speaker 4: I did have to funny act. I need peace.
Speaker 2: Chips in your.
Speaker 3: Own.
Speaker 2: Racists, money's stuff. I can't tell.
Speaker 3: Me booty but cheeks, Booty but cheeks that it is.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: It is hello to our little mamas and our gentiles alike.
Speaker 3: There it is, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal
Speaker 3: episode of My Mama Told Me.
Speaker 2: The podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of
Speaker 2: black conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3: And we finally worked to prove that they planted that
Speaker 3: gun on Gilbert the Erenus because they couldn't stick him
Speaker 3: for the cocaine he had fallen out of his socks
Speaker 3: during practice. This motherfucker was supposed to go to jail,
Speaker 3: and instead they just gave him a season long suspension.
Speaker 2: Come on, tell him, tell him, come on.
Speaker 3: He was in big trouble, baby, and they had to
Speaker 3: give him something.
Speaker 2: He really had No Chill, maybe one of the more
Speaker 2: apt names in sports of all times.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because he is just a nigga from Arizona,
Speaker 3: and so you I think in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 3: they're there's no reason for him to act like this,
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to be this guy. But it's
Speaker 3: just who the fuck he is?
Speaker 4: That guy, and I appreciate the energy.
Speaker 3: He don't even talk like the person that he is,
Speaker 3: but he is.
Speaker 2: As someone as someone in the same boat. I respect it, Ignie,
Speaker 2: I recognize my energy in another and I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: It's like, how is he bullying swaggy pe? This doesn't
Speaker 3: make stint.
Speaker 4: But he's doing it because he's got that jog in.
Speaker 4: That's all you need. It's not a vocal thing, it's
Speaker 4: its interior.
Speaker 3: Is something at the core of him, right at the
Speaker 3: goddamn man to underneath the mantle. Is is Gilbert fucking
Speaker 3: Magma Arenas.
Speaker 2: That nigga goes crazy? I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. With the guy with a very normal
Speaker 2: voice that you would think would be just like a
Speaker 2: nice dude, it's just a monster bo.
Speaker 3: He sounds like he'd be refilling the waters at your
Speaker 3: work and instead he's just a goddamn animal.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: He sounds like he's never touched a cigarette in his life,
Speaker 2: yet here he is cocaine.
Speaker 3: And it's not even because he's scared of it. He's
Speaker 3: just like, nah, I saw what it did to my uncle.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I feel like you adopt a baby outside
Speaker 2: of his race.
Speaker 4: But no, no.
Speaker 3: No, he's one of the worst humans on this here
Speaker 3: planet Earth.
Speaker 4: But the worst is not the fair word. I don't
Speaker 4: think that.
Speaker 2: I think that great is a word that has no
Speaker 2: morality touched to it. He manizes you.
Speaker 3: I think there's a bunch of people who side with
Speaker 3: the devil, and frankly, if you're comfortable inside of that,
Speaker 3: I'm not here to judge it. I'm here to support you.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: And now before we introduce our I guess let's just
Speaker 2: keep it clear. I think in your heart you would
Speaker 2: also like to side with the devil.
Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, But I think I think I
Speaker 3: am a Gilbert Arenas niggah whose voice matches his body.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, I am who I
Speaker 3: am the same way Gilbert is who he is. So
Speaker 3: my desire to be evil and devil worshiping is superseded
Speaker 3: by my spatial awareness and fucking sense of self.
Speaker 2: And if I'm not being too forward, I'll say that's
Speaker 2: to me one of the more charming things about you.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks man, Yeah, man, I need that devil right
Speaker 3: in May. It's not even like a fucking harrowing battle
Speaker 3: every day. It's like, yeah, I see you, devil, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, but you're you're I see you in the room
Speaker 2: and I like it.
Speaker 3: It's like that friend you hang out with who you
Speaker 3: can't invite in your house. You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: You know you can't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on the garage, seem.
Speaker 3: I fuck with you. Look I fuck with you. But
Speaker 3: my mom she don't fuck with you. Man, I like you,
Speaker 3: but there are children in the house. I guess today
Speaker 3: is someone I didn't bite in my home. He could
Speaker 3: come in my house anytime he wants. He's so fucking funny.
Speaker 3: He is a returning guest. We haven't had that many
Speaker 3: returning guests. It's actually not a common thing. But he's
Speaker 3: back and he's fucking phenomenal. You know him from the
Speaker 3: air Buds podcast. You know I'm from the Brandon and
Speaker 3: Jamel podcast. You know him from all I think he
Speaker 3: has eighty eight other podcasts.
Speaker 4: We just got canceled. We had a thing on them.
Speaker 1: We were doing TIMU was doing media and they just can't.
Speaker 3: You're gonna really want to get that team move out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a limited run podcast about illegal throwback jerseys and.
Speaker 4: Bill Burgess made a movie about it. It's called Real
Speaker 4: Hoopers Tapping and it didn't do well, but.
Speaker 3: Fabulous called every week. But but otherwise I'm.
Speaker 1: Not get niggas listens calling in.
Speaker 4: I know, districted with the Chinese niggas. He was downtown.
Speaker 2: I know, I know that you have to introduce him
Speaker 2: here on the second and say his name. But I
Speaker 2: will say, just for the record, I have bought a
Speaker 2: illegal throwback out of a backpack from this guest.
Speaker 4: Whoa, I still wear it? Nice? WHOA, I go get
Speaker 4: it right now. That's a great bootleg. Man. Oh it's
Speaker 4: a it's a beautiful but it's got the tackle twill.
Speaker 3: Oh that was what I was gonna That's what I
Speaker 3: was gonna ask, was was are we talking about? Because
Speaker 3: you said illegal and I wasn't sure if these were
Speaker 3: like these were just hot jerseys or if this was
Speaker 3: truly like, no, this is made by a man who
Speaker 3: is not the man who makes these.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit more, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: And nobody could tell every time I wear people just
Speaker 2: like oh that Temac's hard. Whoa Also, can I ask
Speaker 2: you guys this about illegal shit?
Speaker 4: And this is just a business question.
Speaker 3: So this is a wrong I guess for that, my man, But.
Speaker 2: I'm friend is a business question. It's just I got
Speaker 2: a chance. I got a chance to come up on
Speaker 2: like a lot of fake Louis. But it's a very
Speaker 2: good quality. But the issue was like, the.
Speaker 3: Issue is you keep telling it to people on podcasts.
Speaker 4: I know, well, this is you and my friends. You
Speaker 4: don't know where it's gonna come from.
Speaker 3: But now when I see you in Louie, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna be like, yeah.
Speaker 4: But maybe I'll mix it in with some real so
Speaker 4: you don't know.
Speaker 1: The mexicik. He posts him Louie down with the rags,
Speaker 1: with the scarf to the bell, showing just stuff they
Speaker 1: don't make. I got Louis wristband, you know what I was
Speaker 1: just saying about this. Louis was like he was like,
Speaker 1: we could get a lot of Louis from China. But
Speaker 1: you can't use your real credit card. You gotta buy
Speaker 1: a gift card. No, you gotta get a preloaded gift
Speaker 1: card because they they'll take your information but they do deliver.
Speaker 3: No man, know this.
Speaker 4: If you had a fake identity stashed for an occasion
Speaker 4: like this, I would say go for it.
Speaker 3: But I started talking about you buy a gift card.
Speaker 3: This feels like you're in on something fucking crazy.
Speaker 5: But I think if it works, it's kind of like, look,
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's funny either way.
Speaker 3: I'll say that right on the record that that I
Speaker 3: I will get a hearty laugh out of your choice
Speaker 3: in either direction. I don't think that this is gonna
Speaker 3: end in like fucking prison time or some ship. But
Speaker 3: but I do think you're taking You're taking a swing
Speaker 3: here when.
Speaker 4: You start sucking around with.
Speaker 2: But this is this is a This is a mutual aquaintance, acquaintance.
Speaker 2: Our guest knows him, has done work with him.
Speaker 4: I had a feeling I knew who you was.
Speaker 2: You know who it is, a good guy. He's a
Speaker 2: good guy, a weird guy. We've made plays together many times. Suddenly, yes,
Speaker 2: you make plays with the.
Speaker 3: Bro Okay, Okay, so if you have a history with
Speaker 3: this person, that does change the answer.
Speaker 4: I'm not a monster.
Speaker 2: I'm not just having dudes come up on the street saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I got this lute for gift cards.
Speaker 3: Bory, and I mean this as respectfully as I possibly can.
Speaker 3: Anybody in my life is the type of person that
Speaker 3: would have people come up to them and offer them
Speaker 3: a deal on Louis Vatan from China via gift cards.
Speaker 3: It's you, but a perfect That was a perfect drop, my.
Speaker 4: Man, the best one I've ever done.
Speaker 3: You went fucking crazy with that one. I'm not even
Speaker 3: all hold you. That was fucking phenomenal work, Yo, that might.
Speaker 4: Be the best. That's I think.
Speaker 2: That's I think so far as far as long as
Speaker 2: we've been doing this, that was that was.
Speaker 3: The best, so good.
Speaker 2: It worked out. So it was like I was worried
Speaker 2: because he said it twice, but it was even better.
Speaker 3: Nah, I got way better because you needed that first
Speaker 3: round to really know what he's saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just yeah some Olivia's right, somebody's gonna crash
Speaker 2: their car when they hear that.
Speaker 3: That's that was fucking our guest today. We haven't even
Speaker 3: fucking introduced him. He's a returning guest. He's so fucking funny.
Speaker 3: You've already heard a great comedy from the man in conversation,
Speaker 3: but now you know who he is. Jamel Johnson.
Speaker 6: Everybody, I actually have one point four percent Nigerian African.
Speaker 3: I'm a sister. Okay. Oh that wasn't as good, not
Speaker 3: as good.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I tried to go. I think I got
Speaker 4: cocky after Yeah.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 2: Chill.
Speaker 3: You gotta take this season off and just hold that
Speaker 3: championship trophy.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: On a related note, shout out to Gilbert Arenas Uh
Speaker 1: you is the devil, the only native played basketball in
Speaker 1: air Max's and Creative Wrecks.
Speaker 4: He played in an NBA game with Creative Recreation Sneakers,
Speaker 4: came from the club and took off everything but his shoes.
Speaker 3: That's nuts. That's nuts. He got his money, that's insane.
Speaker 4: He got off suit. He wore a snap off suit
Speaker 4: to the club and left his shoes on and played
Speaker 4: in the game.
Speaker 3: Bro It's he's nuts. Have y'all seen that video where
Speaker 3: he's just he went to Swaggy PE's house child not terrorized,
Speaker 3: Swaggy terrorized his his child. Yeah, he literally stole the
Speaker 3: child scooter and threw it like forty feet away from him,
Speaker 3: and then Swaggy Pe was like, bro, why you do that?
Speaker 3: He was just like, fuck that kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, nuts an inspiration to us a man.
Speaker 3: Well, Jamel, you came with a non Gilberterina's related conspiracy theory.
Speaker 3: One that I think I would say was I believe
Speaker 3: written in the original pitch of this show. Uh, and
Speaker 3: no one has touched it. Everyone else was afraid to
Speaker 3: bro this the listen.
Speaker 4: I say this as as we are three niggas trying
Speaker 4: to succeed in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: As I bring this up. Yeah, it's all love. What
Speaker 1: I'm about to say, there's nothing but love in my heart.
Speaker 1: All niggas involved need to know that this is love here.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just doing a podcast with my friends.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think we're treading into two very scary territory.
Speaker 3: Nobody supposed to be here. We get flu.
Speaker 4: I'm back.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you ain't crazy again.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 3: You know, it's nuts. It don't even really make sense,
Speaker 3: but it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4: It's just a field thing. It's just a thing.
Speaker 3: But you said, Jamel, my mama told me the secret
Speaker 3: affair of Eddie Murphy and Johnny Gill.
Speaker 1: Listen, man, that's what they was that according to my mama,
Speaker 1: being from d C, Johnny gil being in the closet
Speaker 1: is a DC rumor. Every time the Quiet Storm would
Speaker 1: come on, they played my my mind, somebody's like, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, bla blah, and but you're saying like that.
Speaker 3: Are you saying, are you saying that this is what
Speaker 3: what people around you are saying when the Quiet Storm
Speaker 3: is playing? Are you saying niggas were calling the race
Speaker 3: radio y'all just playing that new Johnny Gill. But you
Speaker 3: know that nigga both.
Speaker 4: I'm saying both things on the table that I know
Speaker 4: that w h u R had to sneak screen some calls.
Speaker 3: I'm calling to talk about Johnny Gil's second Eddie Murphy's deck.
Speaker 3: Put me on the radio, put me in right now.
Speaker 4: Now. Do I think this is true?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Yeah, all I know is some
Speaker 1: timelines match. I've seen some photos of Johnny Gill and
Speaker 1: some real deep cut cardigan V neck like a deep
Speaker 1: like a like the V on the card again is
Speaker 1: below his belly button with the basic boy. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's a strong look.
Speaker 4: He now? Were they now? Now?
Speaker 1: Was Johnny just crashing at Eddie's guesthouse or were they
Speaker 1: Were they just pals? Did they just happen to do
Speaker 1: Boomerang and the Boomerang soundtrack at the same time?
Speaker 4: Did they start dressing the same in the early nineties?
Speaker 2: I don't that's that's okay, though I do think good
Speaker 2: friends can do that. I don't think dressing the same
Speaker 2: as always an r Kelly a Lea situation.
Speaker 3: You you think that historically there are a bunch of
Speaker 3: instances where grown men dressed the same and that we
Speaker 3: were like accepting of that.
Speaker 2: I think that if we look into our hearts and
Speaker 2: we tell the truth, we can admit that we've all
Speaker 2: done that.
Speaker 3: Yes, were you like you were which a boy? You
Speaker 3: were like, hey, dog, let's wear this outfit?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 2: Not that, but like we are so we're together every day,
Speaker 2: we hang out all the time, we kind of dress
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 4: It could happen, because what happens when one person gets
Speaker 4: a five pack of tall Tease? Come on, somebody else
Speaker 4: might get a pack, remember, okay.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: Others, I guess to your credit, I will say that
Speaker 3: I am omitting the Tall Tea era from my head.
Speaker 3: When I'm thinking about this, I think of more distinct
Speaker 3: dressing styles and ship. Like the early two thousands was
Speaker 3: a dangerous time because we were all just desperately holding
Speaker 3: on to junk.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I was trying to make fucking garbage work. Brother, our
Speaker 3: bodies other eras feel like real fashion and ship.
Speaker 2: Brother, I've been to a party with three other dudes
Speaker 2: I ride with, arrived with all wearing double knead dickies.
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, we we made we made some insane choices.
Speaker 4: And they let all in.
Speaker 2: They let one of us walked through the side door.
Speaker 4: But that's besides the point.
Speaker 3: No, we were going crazy. So I have trouble with
Speaker 3: the two thousands, but there's never been an row I
Speaker 3: think personally where I was like intentionally being like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: me and I'm a boy dressing the same and going
Speaker 3: to the same places together.
Speaker 4: Listen, come on, but have you also maybe been to
Speaker 4: a party in Kisstrmn's You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: No, that's why I know, and that's why I'm saying
Speaker 2: that I think that this could be a platonic friendship.
Speaker 3: You genuinely believe in the possibility of this not being
Speaker 3: sexual and just being two men bonded in the nineties.
Speaker 4: I think that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think there's a level of male bonding that is
Speaker 2: maybe more intimate than just homies that people don't really
Speaker 2: feel like acknowledging until this most recent generation. I guess
Speaker 2: where die about you, twin, That's what that is, right,
Speaker 2: that's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess where I do agree with you
Speaker 3: is I do think that those levels of bonds exists
Speaker 3: right where. That is just like, truly, that is my
Speaker 3: fucking partner, that is my dog. We are we are
Speaker 3: tethered in a way that I can't undo. Yeah, here's
Speaker 3: where I get a little weird about it, or at
Speaker 3: least question it is. I didn't form none of them
Speaker 3: them bonds in my thirties. That shit happened, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that shit happened at like a
Speaker 3: young formative age, not while like I was the most
Speaker 3: famous human being on the planet.
Speaker 4: Hey, it doesn't strike you, doesn't mean it's not real.
Speaker 4: Whoa heavy.
Speaker 3: It didn't not hurt my feelings, but I do respect
Speaker 3: what you're saying. It did feel painful to hear out loud,
Speaker 3: but I do respect the words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm just saying I mean, and you, everybody's
Speaker 2: got their side to this. I'm just saying that I
Speaker 2: think it's possible that they just had an intense bawd. Also,
Speaker 2: and this is this is when I first had thought
Speaker 2: when I heard this conspiracy, I have never heard the
Speaker 2: Johnny Gil. I had heard that it was Eddie Murphy
Speaker 2: and Arsenio Hall. Of course, yeah, that was the one
Speaker 2: I heard. So that was always kind of where I
Speaker 2: had written on that.
Speaker 3: And Jamielle, I'd love to hear where this originated from.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 3: I think I had heard both. I think I had
Speaker 3: heard it was more of a generational relationship thing. So
Speaker 3: in the beginning it was Arsenio Hall and then it
Speaker 3: became Johnny Gill for whatever reason.
Speaker 4: But do you think.
Speaker 2: Arsenio just got too busy with the show? He was like,
Speaker 2: because I mean, we've all used that excuse. Right, I'm
Speaker 2: working so much. I can't have a girlfriend right now.
Speaker 3: And I will say that there's there is a period
Speaker 3: in in the Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2: Said that, all right, wait on me, that's not That's
Speaker 2: why I'm Kilbert readers on this podcast. I was like,
Speaker 2: we got it.
Speaker 1: He's going off.
Speaker 3: You think I'm not gonna drag me into it. They're
Speaker 3: not going to force my hand, you know, all right?
Speaker 3: All right, that there is a period where our Sineo
Speaker 3: and Eddie don't feel like they're as close anymore. Like
Speaker 3: they're not making films together, they're not really hanging out.
Speaker 3: They're they're sort of like out of the public eye.
Speaker 3: And maybe there's an argument to be made that that's
Speaker 3: where the relationship starts to wane or has faded, and
Speaker 3: Johnny gill is filling the void and bet between then.
Speaker 2: Like posts coming to America type of thing, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: That was when they were about as tight as can be.
Speaker 3: It felt like yeah, and then suddenly they weren't, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. They weren't like publicly beefing. Obviously
Speaker 3: Eddie went on the show and shit, but it didn't
Speaker 3: feel like they were like fucking partners anymore. It felt like, nah, y'all,
Speaker 3: y'all just cool now, And that's different.
Speaker 4: It also might be a change in relationship dynamics.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times, especially entertainers who are
Speaker 2: kind of the man if their man gets on. Now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they're not like, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, it was cool when you were Simy and
Speaker 2: you played my man slave in a movie. The Royal
Speaker 2: penis is clean, your highness, But now you got your
Speaker 2: own show. You got the dog found, he got your
Speaker 2: own penis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also clean, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, he was not. He did not have
Speaker 4: a dirty dick.
Speaker 3: Jamel, where are you with this? Both the dirty dick
Speaker 3: and the beginning of this conspiracy?
Speaker 1: So, I mean it starts with Johnny gil Like I said,
Speaker 1: being from DC, this was kind of a rumor that
Speaker 1: he was in the closet, which I didn't which I
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, hey, who knows you know? Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like sure, I've never I don't, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who Johnny Gills dated.
Speaker 4: Why would I you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, right, and you know, And it's like
Speaker 1: at the same time, I feel like like in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, like the pressure that R and B.
Speaker 1: Niggas was under to like want to have sex with
Speaker 1: women must have been so intense, like like the pressure
Speaker 1: you know how like comics be like like you have
Speaker 1: to tell the truth on stage now, you know people
Speaker 1: like when you say something like people are checking whatever
Speaker 1: say you're getting, we're getting fact checking.
Speaker 3: All Yeah, reflexes is live and well.
Speaker 4: It's really shit. And I think R and B niggas.
Speaker 1: In the eighties it was like that times a million,
Speaker 1: because it'd be girls and shows like, oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: singing about oh you wanna, oh you wanna? You want
Speaker 1: to rub me.
Speaker 4: The right way? Well, here's a pussy right here, niggie,
Speaker 4: what's up? Better fuck me right now, right now.
Speaker 3: I came here to fuck you and only you, whereas
Speaker 3: I think now concerts people are like, I came here
Speaker 3: to fuck in whichever direction I can find a dude
Speaker 3: in the crowd. I can fuck the star, it don't
Speaker 3: really matter. In the nineties, it was like, I came
Speaker 3: here for Keith sweat balls. I don't want no other
Speaker 3: balls anybody all.
Speaker 4: Over your body, your specific body. And so that's a lot.
Speaker 1: So if Johnny's not like out with a bunch of hoes,
Speaker 1: they sure, And it kind of didn't really, it had
Speaker 1: no steam in my head until I started seeing recent
Speaker 1: pictures of Johnny with the d V necks. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's not a this level of a v neck is
Speaker 1: somebody who is sexually curious.
Speaker 4: I can't you know what I'm saying, Like that's all
Speaker 4: I can say about that.
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about like, okay, so Eddie
Speaker 1: in the Early Night, like this would explain why Distinguished
Speaker 1: Gentleman wasn't a hit, Like just being in a secret
Speaker 1: like a relationship that you can't talk about.
Speaker 4: You're pretty distracted. You're trying to make distinguished gentlemen, right.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a good because what happened to that movie.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Is this is why just the fact that Distinguished Gentleman
Speaker 1: wasn't good kind of started to make this like I
Speaker 1: could see.
Speaker 2: Why Now do you take do you take the Distinguished
Speaker 2: Gentleman not working? Do you feel like maybe you take
Speaker 2: that a little more personally because you're from DC and
Speaker 2: is a DC based movie?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Okay, we all were supposed to have parts in that.
Speaker 4: This is a little Niggas six.
Speaker 3: There was supposed to be a trilogy and I will
Speaker 3: never get it because because Johnny that is mouthed on Eddie.
Speaker 7: Do we keep going back to that being the dynamic
Speaker 7: that Johnny had his mouth on Eddie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't think he could have gone the other way.
Speaker 3: That Eddie had his mouth on Johnny. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it was mutual. I think they both put their mouths
Speaker 3: on each other. Yeah. I don't think only one of
Speaker 3: them got their dick sucked ever, I think they both
Speaker 3: did it. If that's the argument, what if it was
Speaker 3: just like a group thing, Well, okay, let's talk about
Speaker 3: this because I do think.
Speaker 4: I think that there is a level of that is
Speaker 4: a type of friends as well.
Speaker 3: I do think that there is, and this often feels
Speaker 3: like at least a root of all the gay rumors
Speaker 3: that happen in Hollywood is that I think when you
Speaker 3: reach a certain level of success and fame and money
Speaker 3: and status and shit, sex changes and it stops just
Speaker 3: being sort of like this this you know, fucking analog
Speaker 3: version of like a me, my wife, We have sex.
Speaker 3: That's it is what it is. And I think these
Speaker 3: motherfuckers open up their worlds then like try different shit
Speaker 3: and do it with a bunch of people in the room,
Speaker 3: because why not, I've had all the sex. And if
Speaker 3: I'm in a novice entering this space, y'all niggas gay,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like I don't even know
Speaker 3: how to explain what the fuck I just saw. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're gay and that may not even be true, it
Speaker 3: just is. You don't get it.
Speaker 2: Bro Wow Langston positioning themself to be an elite one day,
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: This, Hey, we're not doing the show to we're trying
Speaker 1: to build the bridges.
Speaker 2: No, I feel also, I also think that that's a
Speaker 2: very good point though. I think that at some point
Speaker 2: it becomes like a bacchanall orgy type of situation, and
Speaker 2: maybe some people don't understand that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and it's like they love they do. There's a bunch
Speaker 2: of people there, and yeah, I feel like it maybe
Speaker 2: like a Studio fifty four type of situation.
Speaker 4: You know, we're.
Speaker 2: Upstairs, some people are dancing, some people are fucking. Sometimes
Speaker 2: Johnny and Eddie are dancing, are fucking sometimes they're like
Speaker 2: but maybe they maybe it's just like because they were
Speaker 2: both on the same wave, that's what's kind of caused
Speaker 2: them to bond. Because you you bond with people that
Speaker 2: you kind of do dirt with, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, those are the people I'm probably closest to,
Speaker 3: the ones that I've not my secret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly and not I'm not saying I understand,
Speaker 2: I'm not sex shaming. I don't think sex is dirt,
Speaker 2: but I think in the eighties and early nineties, these
Speaker 2: type of parties were considered maybe like an underground fetish
Speaker 2: type of thing. It's like when you know Keith, communities
Speaker 2: are so tight, like you see furries and they're like
Speaker 2: tight with each other because they share this thing.
Speaker 3: I think I think, even if we are not calling
Speaker 3: it dirt, it was considered dirt of that era. And
Speaker 3: in that way, if you are a celebrity of a
Speaker 3: certain status, or specifically a black man in a community
Speaker 3: that or that specifically is making art trying to to
Speaker 3: engage the black community, the fear is that they are
Speaker 3: going to label my sexuality, my sexual behavior whatever, dirt,
Speaker 3: and now I'm going to lose my entire fucking fan base.
Speaker 3: Like I don't even think white people are aware of
Speaker 3: Johnny Gill's existence. I think they can't see that.
Speaker 2: I don't think I think you're completely right. I've tried
Speaker 2: to bring up LSG at like white gatherings, and it never.
Speaker 3: It's like a ghost in a room when they walk.
Speaker 2: In, which is strange that they missed he was in
Speaker 2: new edition. I mean, arguably not the best new edition.
Speaker 4: But new edition. He wasn't in the new addition that
Speaker 4: white people know, I know, when they were cute they
Speaker 4: was he in mint condition?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, I'm sorry for derailing this.
Speaker 2: I just mint condition was a new edition reboot, right,
Speaker 2: it was mint conditioned other.
Speaker 4: Dudes, I think the other dudes. Yeah, different beaters, a
Speaker 4: whole different thing. I didn't know different leaders, different color beats.
Speaker 2: I didn't whoa. I don't know why I thought that
Speaker 2: mint condition I thought it was I thought it was
Speaker 2: in the new edition universe.
Speaker 4: See, this is a problem, man, I'll be getting caught
Speaker 4: up on ship rhymes.
Speaker 1: I just I just imagine you explaining that to your doctor, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not dyslexic.
Speaker 3: Rhyme like trying to kill me. I make try me.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: Oh man, this might be this is actually helping me
Speaker 2: because it is when ship rhymes. I do think that
Speaker 2: it's related.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense? Yeah, of course. I don't like.
Speaker 4: I don't like the way you guys were quiet.
Speaker 3: I just think, and I can only speak for myself.
Speaker 3: I just think it's completely unrelatable for me. So I
Speaker 3: can only acknowledge that this is a real thing you're experiencing.
Speaker 2: No, I'm an iconic class. You know a lot of people,
Speaker 2: a lot of people say they're built different, but they're
Speaker 2: built similarly.
Speaker 3: And brother, you built different.
Speaker 2: I'm saying not a lot of guys have had that
Speaker 2: thought in their head where they were like, is mint
Speaker 2: condition related to New Edition.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's had that thought. And that's fucking cool.
Speaker 4: It's journalism. Yeah, it's an issue I deal with. We're
Speaker 4: all fighting our battles. Anyways, what I think about this
Speaker 4: is is, yeah, it's like these two guys at the
Speaker 4: height of their powers, Johnny Gale and ENnie Murphy in
Speaker 4: the early nineties. Bro, It's like, this is it, Bro,
Speaker 4: come on the hair alone. They're hanging in LA and yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, things might have got bachan alien And I
Speaker 4: just think I think Johnny Gill is like the type
Speaker 4: of like, only Johnny Gill could shoot a shot like
Speaker 4: this because dudes from DC, we'll shoot some shots we're
Speaker 4: not supposed to.
Speaker 3: That is crazy.
Speaker 4: I will tell will go in.
Speaker 3: I will say, and maybe this is a nice way
Speaker 3: for us to go to break is I've never thought
Speaker 3: about how cool that is that Johnny Gill pulled the
Speaker 3: Beyonce of an era being fucking Johnny Gill, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like he wasn't even supposed to be
Speaker 3: over there. Somehow he got bitch in the room.
Speaker 2: It's a tiger style move where you're like, wow, this
Speaker 2: doesn't even I.
Speaker 3: Don't even know how you're doing this. Man, This is
Speaker 3: like early Nick Cannon. Ye were like, that's.
Speaker 4: Cannon.
Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense because early she was just Paris
Speaker 2: Hilton's assistant.
Speaker 3: That's I'm thinking, not not so much early Nick Cannon,
Speaker 3: but I'm thinking more the era after we discovered that
Speaker 3: he could he could do this over.
Speaker 4: And over and over, Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like it was cool when he had like him, and
Speaker 3: then it was crazy when he got Christina Milian. But
Speaker 3: then he did Mariah and we were like, this nigga
Speaker 3: might be the goat.
Speaker 4: It was amazing. He might be insane off like a
Speaker 4: couple of songs, off like a song and a half
Speaker 4: and cost the thing, what's the thing that's a half
Speaker 4: a book? That's a book.
Speaker 2: That's maybe that's a book. I think is a book.
Speaker 2: And I don't think he had another one and and.
Speaker 3: A book for the time where we're not saying you
Speaker 3: should go listen to Jigglo now, don't, please don't. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of problematic reasons for listening to the song,
Speaker 3: including the artist that it features.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not a problem. Always shining with the
Speaker 2: fresh press clothes. I'm just saying, spending lots of dough,
Speaker 2: always surrounded by so many hosts.
Speaker 4: It was a good song.
Speaker 3: The message, the message is still powerful.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about him, don't worry about Nick and who
Speaker 2: were on Ducati's don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: All right, we need to take a break. We are
Speaker 3: long past our time. We're gonna be back with more
Speaker 3: Jamil Johnson and more.
Speaker 4: My mama told me.
Speaker 2: Landa is not what Johnny gill or Eddie Murphy said
Speaker 2: when they were involved impossibly a love affair in the
Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties. We're back with Jamel Johnson. Let's discuss.
Speaker 3: Let's let's dig into it.
Speaker 4: Jamel.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you you hear this in your early formative years.
Speaker 3: It is circulating on the radio, that's circulating in your community.
Speaker 3: When you're hearing this as a young person, do you
Speaker 3: do you believe it. Are you bought in immediately or
Speaker 3: are you skeptical until you find yourself seeing the dpvs
Speaker 3: later in life.
Speaker 4: I'm skeptical until later in life. And then later in
Speaker 4: life I'm like, I'm seeing that and then I'm going
Speaker 4: back and I'm rewatching Eddie movies and like he's just
Speaker 4: one of the wildest kissers.
Speaker 1: Something to about the way he kisses. Remember when he
Speaker 1: slops down halle Berry and Boomerang, it's so insane that
Speaker 1: I don't I'm just like, I ain't know what I'm
Speaker 1: like this dude, my fuck anybody?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is man, that's a very good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, slobbing her down, there was no there's no like
Speaker 3: professional awareness in the way that he was kissing her,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, you're not treating her like, yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously we have sexual chemistry and we'll demonstrate that chemistry,
Speaker 3: but we are we are not together, we are not
Speaker 3: actually fucking I'll give you some sort of courtesy as
Speaker 3: a human. There's none of that.
Speaker 7: It's just like pure fucking throat Campbell type of situation
Speaker 7: to it.
Speaker 1: And it's just like WHOA just seeing that again and
Speaker 1: as an adult and you're like ep I don't know
Speaker 1: what to think anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that.
Speaker 3: Is fair. I did some research on this conspiracy theory,
Speaker 3: and I will say that very little of it actually
Speaker 3: feels geared towards the root of the conspiracy theory, like
Speaker 3: how this actually started. And instead is a lot, a
Speaker 3: lot a lot of articles refuting and or like addressing
Speaker 3: the conspiracy theory. So specifically, my personal favorite, there's a
Speaker 3: twenty third bossip article and it's bossip, so y'all already
Speaker 3: know how they move. But they said gay rumor control,
Speaker 3: Johnny Gil.
Speaker 4: Is that a section that they run.
Speaker 3: Round It's gay rumor control colon, which implies that they
Speaker 3: do this all the time.
Speaker 4: And another one.
Speaker 3: You already know how we get down on the gay
Speaker 3: roomor control. Nobody's safe. And this is the best part
Speaker 3: of it, it's gay rumor control. Johnny Gil finally confirms
Speaker 3: whether or not Eddie Murphy has been smashing his R
Speaker 3: and B backs to smithering.
Speaker 4: He doesn't say that.
Speaker 3: I swear to God that's the tail to smithereens the
Speaker 3: smitherings backs multiple backs.
Speaker 4: When this nigga's back just pulverizing.
Speaker 3: Smashing his R and B backs. The smitherings.
Speaker 4: What are R and B backs? Figgre What even is
Speaker 4: a smithereen? I don't know. Is there such thing as
Speaker 4: a singular smithereen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you who knows Eddie Murphy because he'd
Speaker 3: be smashing.
Speaker 6: Backs and tell that at oh So In this article,
Speaker 6: this bossip article, they basically are doing their their bossip
Speaker 6: recap of specifically an interview gilded.
Speaker 3: With Yahoo OMG news. Remember this is twenty thirteen. Yahoo
Speaker 3: is still a reliable source for information. But Kevin Fraser,
Speaker 3: if you guys are right familiar with Kevin Frasier, he's
Speaker 3: interviewing Johnny gil and pretty much asked him straight up
Speaker 3: about why there are so many rumors as it relates
Speaker 3: to his sexuality. And Johnny says, if I could tell
Speaker 3: you why, I sure would have by now at this
Speaker 3: point in time, I would have been able to cure
Speaker 3: that issue, to get rid of that issue. I took
Speaker 3: this for the life of me, never never understood where
Speaker 3: it came from, why it lasted as it's lasted.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess this podcast part of it. But listen, bru, Yeah,
Speaker 4: what are we supposed to do? I was just I
Speaker 4: was given this world. I didn't make it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Here's where I take a little bit of issue
Speaker 3: is him sort of being like, I truly have no
Speaker 3: clue for the life of me how this rumor could
Speaker 3: have started or where it could have come from. And
Speaker 3: it's like, Bro, you know where the fuck this came from.
Speaker 3: You don't have to agree with it. You don't have
Speaker 3: to like, uh, h.
Speaker 4: Roup might have the role, or you know where it
Speaker 4: could have came from?
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown, because that was the you know, Johnny gil
Speaker 1: comes in a new addition to replace.
Speaker 3: Replace the specifically coin him as a replacement. It isn't
Speaker 3: even yeah.
Speaker 2: And I mean Bobby does seem like he could be
Speaker 2: petty like that. And he was killing too, Bobby. I mean,
Speaker 2: Johnny went into audition, he's crushing. So Bobby's like, Bobby's
Speaker 2: got his solo ship, but you know he mad that
Speaker 2: these niggas didn't fall off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but his ship was so high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know even still, you know he looking over
Speaker 1: there like these niggas still got hits man, fuck.
Speaker 3: And I bet Bobby was looking down the down the
Speaker 3: line a little bit as some of them songs, and
Speaker 3: you're like, Ali, these ain't all of these ain't bangers
Speaker 3: after this first album. This is starting to get a little.
Speaker 4: I don't I would not feel this. I agree to disagree.
Speaker 2: If I had put out Don't be Cruel, I would
Speaker 2: maybe I would behave.
Speaker 4: In a way as if I could not be touched. Mmm,
Speaker 4: you did hear you?
Speaker 2: I think had I put out Don't be Cruel at
Speaker 2: the height of the time where you could also be
Speaker 2: famous and still smoke or do cocaine, I think my behavior.
Speaker 1: Oh man, but I think the cocaine might have made
Speaker 1: him petty. I'm just imagining him on something like David Ruffing.
Speaker 1: He's leaving new edition, like David Ruffing, like y'all ain't
Speaker 1: about to be shipped without me kicking me out of
Speaker 1: the group, all right, we'll see.
Speaker 3: And the new Nigga gay and yeah, yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 3: does sound like something you would say in the nineties,
Speaker 3: right yeah, And that new motherfucker gay and you just
Speaker 3: let that be a rumor that everybody deals with.
Speaker 4: Honestly, that's some shit you saying. Now.
Speaker 1: Now everybody's gay, right, you can talk to anybody, and
Speaker 1: everybody's gay to anybody.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: Ralph Trevan's like, I know, that's why we picked him.
Speaker 3: That's why we like him so much.
Speaker 4: Here's the right question about this, Why does it seem
Speaker 4: like this rumor seems to play Johnny Gill and not
Speaker 4: Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 3: That that was something that I thought about quite a bit,
Speaker 3: and it's actually does come up a little bit in
Speaker 3: the research in that same interview with Kevin Fraser, because
Speaker 3: he actually says some some more interesting shit that I
Speaker 3: want to read to you guys as we move along.
Speaker 3: But to your question, Bory, in terms of the Eddie
Speaker 3: of it all, Kevin Fraser asked him specifically, Yo, why
Speaker 3: do you think specifically it's Eddie Murphy that you're so
Speaker 3: sexually attached to, and what does Eddie think about that?
Speaker 3: And he pretty much says that, like Eddie doesn't think
Speaker 3: about any of this stuff at all, that like he
Speaker 3: essentially is like indifferent to it. He laughs at it.
Speaker 3: He says if anybody were to even bring this up
Speaker 3: around him, he'd tell them he'd smack them with his wallet.
Speaker 3: That like he he just would flex his money and
Speaker 3: be like, bitch, I'm Eddie Murphy more than give a
Speaker 3: shit about rumors of homosexuality.
Speaker 4: Pretty cool take. And then you gotta think, Eddie, you
Speaker 4: gotta think Eddie came up.
Speaker 1: Under prior, right, and prior prior was fucking Marlon Brando,
Speaker 1: And I think and Eddie's Eddie's hip to that, and
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, well, this is like, how how
Speaker 1: else am I going to become the Highlander?
Speaker 4: I got? I gotta get me an R and B diva.
Speaker 3: Yeah wow. And I will say this does also explain
Speaker 3: the beef between Cosby and them more, I think, because
Speaker 3: I've never for a seconds imagine Cosby fucking around with
Speaker 3: a man and being like open in that way, right,
Speaker 3: Like he was probably an obviously a violent horrible man,
Speaker 3: but he was a conservative, violent horrible man. He was repressed.
Speaker 3: He was never going to actually explore his sexuality, which
Speaker 3: is why he turns probably to fucking queludes to earn
Speaker 3: the sexual exploration that he otherwise cannot just get on
Speaker 3: his own.
Speaker 4: Thea to the Akuma to Eddie Murphy's Ryu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly that.
Speaker 1: Wos these niggas had to fight in the woods. It
Speaker 1: was it was like, you know what I'm saying, niggas
Speaker 1: throwing fireballs.
Speaker 4: And ship fucking bugs don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this nigga's been.
Speaker 4: I don't even have anything to say. He's been mine.
Speaker 4: If Eddie Murphy ever hears this, Nigga, I called you ryu.
Speaker 3: Nigga said, everybody knows akuma. Bill Cosby's a cuma in
Speaker 3: this story.
Speaker 4: There's no, it's not clearly the hero get well.
Speaker 3: I would say Eddie Murphy's can uh and Richard Pryor's
Speaker 3: ryu in this in this story in this specific Yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Say, Johnny gil was and I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna, okay, I want to read you guys some of
Speaker 3: the more interesting quotes that happened inside of this interview.
Speaker 3: He goes on to say, let me make sure we're
Speaker 3: clear on something, whether it's being called gay, accused of
Speaker 3: being gay, accused of a thief, accused of being anything
Speaker 3: or any or somebody's lying about you and saying something
Speaker 3: about you that's not true. It just doesn't feel good.
Speaker 3: I have such compassion for gay people now more than ever,
Speaker 3: just simply because in some odd way I've been able
Speaker 3: to walk in their shoes or to see how they
Speaker 3: feel and how people treat them and deal with them
Speaker 3: because of their sexuality.
Speaker 4: Oh, Johnny, why you throw the liar thing in there,
Speaker 4: the thief part?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why you throw the thiet part. Is this because
Speaker 1: of the because doesn't he own the name new edition?
Speaker 1: Didn't he pulled like a he pulled a little move
Speaker 1: on the squad. And I think I think that is true.
Speaker 3: That Wow, that's fucking nuts. If it is.
Speaker 4: My mama didn't even tell me that. I just that
Speaker 4: was some shit. I think that might have just been
Speaker 4: from the b T joint. Let me see holding.
Speaker 2: Also shut out for you actually doing a conspiracy theory
Speaker 2: that your mom told you. My mom's the case. My
Speaker 2: mom did tell me this. My mom is also a
Speaker 2: woman who thinks everyone's gay. My mom is totally on
Speaker 2: some like. My mom's got a little more diamond and
Speaker 2: silk to it than I'd like to admit.
Speaker 3: I can say that I think about say there's a.
Speaker 1: Mom my mom thinks Jimmy Butler gay. Now my mom
Speaker 1: thinks Patrick Mahomes is gay because of his voice this.
Speaker 1: Now my mom thinks having sex with white women is gay.
Speaker 1: That's what I say.
Speaker 3: I think. I think, if we're really unpacking this ship,
Speaker 3: every black mother in the world thinks that having sex
Speaker 3: with a white woman is like a gateway dro.
Speaker 4: To be and will being.
Speaker 3: You literally destroyed Bory he's not even cable woman anymore.
Speaker 3: This nigga's done. No man, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: As far as humor goes, that's oh man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: The uh or was that where we were? Oh no?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's weird that he sort of is making these
Speaker 3: comparisons of Thief and all that other ship. It also
Speaker 3: bumped me a little bit that he sort of is
Speaker 3: like trying to squeeze in this I've walked in your
Speaker 3: shoes ship where it's like, I don't know, big dog,
Speaker 3: I don't think you get to be like I've walked
Speaker 3: in your shoes.
Speaker 4: While and be like, but yeah, I am gay too. Though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when people trying to be like so
Speaker 2: I felt a little bit of racism and it's like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Like, maybe chill, big dog. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 3: think y'all are bonded, especially with the way you've been
Speaker 3: reacting to it.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, they settled all six members own a piece of
Speaker 1: the name, but it started with Johnny and Ralph. Johnny
Speaker 1: and Ralph got it trademarked.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is is it actually makes sense
Speaker 3: and this is actually, I think a pretty fucked up
Speaker 3: thing about the way the music industry works. But you know,
Speaker 3: like any band is only technically owned by the lead
Speaker 3: singer of that band, So like like Destiny's Child cannot
Speaker 3: exist without Beyonce, like.
Speaker 4: For a multitude reason.
Speaker 3: Sure, but like they literally can't even like pretend to
Speaker 3: exist without that person because they own the rights to
Speaker 3: that thing. Like fucking you know, Maroon five, Adam Levine
Speaker 3: got to go do He's the only one that's actually
Speaker 3: signed on the contract, so he can go do a
Speaker 3: solo thing, but his other bandmates cannot until they get
Speaker 3: permission or like essentially get a new contract for themselves essentially.
Speaker 4: Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I know it's fucked up.
Speaker 4: It doesn't work that.
Speaker 2: Way in the podcast world, though, y'all me and want
Speaker 2: to say it now.
Speaker 4: So if I disappear, you know what happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my lawyers are working pretty hard to get those
Speaker 3: numbers changed.
Speaker 2: But we are fifty fifty to Johnny kill me.
Speaker 3: Hey, but not in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, just the one. Yeah, not the way that
Speaker 2: could be confused with love or not. I could have love.
Speaker 3: So the wildest quote that I think that I'm excited
Speaker 3: to hear both of your reactions on. At one point,
Speaker 3: Johnny says, I'm going to tell you guys something off
Speaker 3: the record that I know my girlfriend probably won't be
Speaker 3: happy with me for saying this, which, first of all.
Speaker 2: Brother, you're already dangerous. Yeah, why why is this? How
Speaker 2: that you stated that?
Speaker 3: And it's it's not off the record, Johnny, You're in
Speaker 3: a video interview. This is it, this is it. There's
Speaker 3: a video.
Speaker 4: Oh god, damn it. What are you thinking? Man?
Speaker 3: It's not he ain't thinking it through. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: But but he goes on to say, but I'm going
Speaker 3: to say it. When we first got together, we've been
Speaker 3: together for five years, there were so there was so
Speaker 3: much stuff floating around. Why are you dating this guy?
Speaker 3: He's gay, blah blah blah, Eddie Murphy, all this stuff
Speaker 3: is going on, And I'm like, do you believe it?
Speaker 3: She says no, I just hear everybody just keep saying.
Speaker 3: And I said, let me tell you something. Here's what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do. Woke up, we got we got the
Speaker 3: Yellow Pages, and you know, I mean that was five
Speaker 3: years ago. So we called this guy. He brought out
Speaker 3: his machine, strapped down to a lie detective I wrote
Speaker 3: down questions I made I made her write down questions.
Speaker 3: When the guy called back with the results and we
Speaker 3: both laying there in bed, tears came down. I would
Speaker 3: never want to lay next to someone that might even
Speaker 3: remotely have any doubt or question of who I am.
Speaker 2: It's just that you might be gay. You killed somebody.
Speaker 2: This is that's and also not a true story.
Speaker 3: It's not a true story.
Speaker 1: What it is. We both wrote down questions. So the
Speaker 1: detective dudes like, Johnny Gill, are you gay?
Speaker 4: Okay? Johnny Gill's girlfriend, do you think he's gay? He's
Speaker 4: the only two questions.
Speaker 3: I don't understand what this questions could have been. It's like,
Speaker 3: are you gay? But are you for real?
Speaker 2: Now gay?
Speaker 1: All right, here's your question, Johnny. Here's your first question.
Speaker 1: Have you had sexual intercourse with Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 4: Okay? Johnny Gill's girlfriend, here's your first question. Is your
Speaker 4: favorite color red?
Speaker 2: You was lying.
Speaker 3: It's your favorite color? Actually, Johnny Gill, chocolate. Because there's
Speaker 3: a part of me that feels like you was just
Speaker 3: gassing me up.
Speaker 4: Girl. Man, some one sided light detectory, Like, what.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about? Man? You got a lie detector
Speaker 3: to come to your house and you wrote the questions.
Speaker 3: This is crazy. I'm so glad crazy it is twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. I just feel like we could the opposite
Speaker 3: of the Brummers. We could actually get this off.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 1: If this was nineteen ninety five, we would get kicked
Speaker 1: out of town. Oh, they make us leave the country.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: We would never work with anybody ever again. I think
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 2: I think I feel like we might have some listeners
Speaker 2: of a certain age who are not going to take
Speaker 2: wealth to this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair that this does feel like we're punching
Speaker 3: down at whack was struggling with their sexuality. Blah blah blah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe No, I don't have the answer.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be better. I work harder every day
Speaker 3: to figure this out.
Speaker 4: I want to be good.
Speaker 3: I want to be a better guy. And if you
Speaker 3: have an explanation, or rather a suggestion for where we
Speaker 3: can improve, we accept that that option. But for now,
Speaker 3: we three thirty six year old men laughing at uh
Speaker 3: at our heroes having secret affairs with each other.
Speaker 4: Only one of these men is my hero.
Speaker 3: Look, you've been a Johnny Gill guy from the beginning
Speaker 3: of the podcast. I always like Eddie Murphy, but you
Speaker 3: were like, no, Johnny, that's the talent.
Speaker 4: That's the talent.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I don't, can I say ultimately to round
Speaker 2: this all out, it's just fun to talk about.
Speaker 4: Truthfully, if they were fucking I really don't care.
Speaker 3: No, it wouldn't bother me at all.
Speaker 4: I did. I do change nothing about anything that they've
Speaker 4: ever done.
Speaker 3: I do think that was the feeling I had more
Speaker 3: when I was reading all these quotes and interactions between
Speaker 3: the two of them, is like, it made me sad
Speaker 3: that this is the game that a fifty year old
Speaker 3: man has to play, right, more than it makes me
Speaker 3: grossed out or curious, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 3: I truly don't give a fuck. I just wish that
Speaker 3: Johnny Gill and Eddie Murphy respectively could be whatever version
Speaker 3: of sexually fluid they've always been, and maybe it's, you know,
Speaker 3: truly bisexual. Maybe there's some other game, rich people game
Speaker 3: inside of it that I don't get. But go be free, bro,
Speaker 3: don't keep being all bottled up and shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: The truth to this is we don't know shit about
Speaker 1: what any of these dudes did, but we do know
Speaker 1: that there has been a sexual awakening in the streets
Speaker 1: as of late, and you can't act like, oh so
Speaker 1: everybody just everybody just got non binary this year, Like nah,
Speaker 1: a lot of niggas in the eighties got to just
Speaker 1: keep that shit to themselves.
Speaker 4: They didn't even know they were just like nah, No,
Speaker 4: I just watched Gordon Girls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm just a blanche. I'm not he Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a blanch.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that, to me is the shame of why
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy's come back, even if he doesn't if he
Speaker 3: doesn't ever come back, which I suspect he never will,
Speaker 3: but even if he does come back, I think that's
Speaker 3: gonna be the only thing that truly could satisfy this
Speaker 3: distance in his career right as a stand up is like,
Speaker 3: come on, man, just talk about it. I truly just
Speaker 3: want to hear you say it out loud, all the
Speaker 3: things that we've always wanted to know. But if you
Speaker 3: just come back with jokes about like how the president
Speaker 3: walks or whatever the fuck it is, I don't need
Speaker 3: that ship, man, keep it.
Speaker 2: I also worry that that's why there will never be
Speaker 2: an Eddie Murphy stand up or come back because like,
Speaker 2: even at his height, I don't think he was that
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He was never like a
Speaker 2: prior style. Yeah, so I think that that would be
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He was like I got
Speaker 2: some eye cream, like that was what the bits were.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that there's as much of a
Speaker 2: space for that. And I think he's smart. Why would
Speaker 2: you want to come back to this? You think I'm
Speaker 2: going to keep doing this when I get rich?
Speaker 4: Ye? Wait to leave this behind? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I agree. I I wouldn't come back. I'd stay. My
Speaker 3: boy makes reggae music sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to be sixty eating chicken tenders regularly
Speaker 2: at a comedy club.
Speaker 4: That's insane. Damn. Maybe at the crib, not at the club.
Speaker 3: So it seems like and and well, I'll hit you
Speaker 3: guys with one more piece of research and we'll wrap
Speaker 3: this up. But there is an article that I found
Speaker 3: that I dare it's tough to even call it an
Speaker 3: article at this point, but it's something what's the name
Speaker 3: of this, oh, live journal? This is from two thousand
Speaker 3: and five, back when live journals, I guess, thank goodness,
Speaker 3: but I found this quote unquote article where Johnny Gill's
Speaker 3: unnamed girlfriend of the time, who he had just split
Speaker 3: up with sort of like comes forward to basically say
Speaker 3: that the ending of their relationship was the result of
Speaker 3: his down low lifestyle, that she had spent years with him.
Speaker 3: He was on the down low, and the article claims
Speaker 3: that Johnny was sleeping at Eddie's house on a near
Speaker 3: nightly basis, and also suggests that Tevin Campbell, Sugar Ray Leonard,
Speaker 3: Tyler Perry, and Shamar Moore are also involved. And they
Speaker 3: tried to recruit Mike Tyson. But it wasn't his scene,
Speaker 3: is what they say.
Speaker 2: This is where, and I know we got it. Wrap
Speaker 2: this up soon. I'm just saying, of course it wasn't his.
Speaker 2: That's where this whole thing. I believed it until she said,
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, this is not true.
Speaker 3: I was like, which one of these brave niggas was
Speaker 3: going to walk up to Mike Tyson?
Speaker 4: Can't be like.
Speaker 3: I okay, okay. I wanted to make fun of it,
Speaker 3: but you're not wrong if there was the bravest man,
Speaker 3: because Sugar Ray Leonard knows that he knows boxing too
Speaker 3: well to know he's not doing that with Mike Tyson.
Speaker 3: He's in his fucking prime. You're not taking that risk.
Speaker 3: Shamar Moore is such a psychopath.
Speaker 4: He has an unbridled confidence.
Speaker 3: That that he would do it, and I bet he
Speaker 3: was so gorgeous at the time that fucking Mike Tyson
Speaker 3: was like, I'm not gonna hit this nigga, But nah,
Speaker 3: it ain't my saying, Shamal mooris stay away from.
Speaker 2: Me, respectfully. I'm not going to do to your face
Speaker 2: what I need to do. What I want to do
Speaker 2: to your face.
Speaker 3: Is that's your money, and you deserve your money, and
Speaker 3: you look good as Jamal and Moore. But I'll beat
Speaker 3: your ass if you ever do that again.
Speaker 4: Well, I think we did.
Speaker 3: I do think we did it. I think it seems
Speaker 3: like none of us really feel solid in this conspiracy theory,
Speaker 3: but we do feel solid that Eddie Murphy and Johnny
Speaker 3: Gill deserve whatever love that they want or are having,
Speaker 3: and frankly, they should spend a little bit more time
Speaker 3: just being open with themselves rather than repressing it and
Speaker 3: pretending like this is some poisonous fate cursed upon them.
Speaker 4: I think I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, just rewatch on it, Mansion, and you tell
Speaker 1: me what you think when you rewatch it. If you
Speaker 1: tell me what Eddie's trying to tell us, that's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go watch a thousand words, Jamelle.
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