WEBVTT - The Rumor Gill (with Jamel Johnson) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.440 You ever noticed the more like the more luxury ship 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:07.200 niggas have on the weaker their Oh yeah, because don't 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:14.080 be like if your outfitish ten grade your peace sign so. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:20.880 Yo, but if you got that Walmart white tea at sharp, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.640 be sharp, dude, that's a Reebok piece. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.320 I need peace. I need this ship. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.159 I did have to funny act. I need peace. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:39.560 Chips in your. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:42.440 Own. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:53.559 Racists, money's stuff. I can't tell. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:01:00.639 Me booty but cheeks, Booty but cheeks that it is. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:00.960 There. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:05.680 It is hello to our little mamas and our gentiles alike. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.160 There it is, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.039 episode of My Mama Told Me. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.040 The podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.000 black conspiracy theories. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.720 And we finally worked to prove that they planted that 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.759 gun on Gilbert the Erenus because they couldn't stick him 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.720 for the cocaine he had fallen out of his socks 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.720 during practice. This motherfucker was supposed to go to jail, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:36.160 and instead they just gave him a season long suspension. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.960 Come on, tell him, tell him, come on. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.319 He was in big trouble, baby, and they had to 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:44.120 give him something. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:50.200 He really had No Chill, maybe one of the more 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.160 apt names in sports of all times. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.280 It's so funny because he is just a nigga from Arizona, 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.200 and so you I think in my mind, I'm like, 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.280 they're there's no reason for him to act like this, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.280 Like you don't have to be this guy. But it's 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.000 just who the fuck he is? 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.600 That guy, and I appreciate the energy. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.240 He don't even talk like the person that he is, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:14.360 but he is. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.680 As someone as someone in the same boat. I respect it, Ignie, 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.600 I recognize my energy in another and I appreciate it. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.040 It's like, how is he bullying swaggy pe? This doesn't 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.120 make stint. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:29.760 But he's doing it because he's got that jog in. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.880 That's all you need. It's not a vocal thing, it's 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:34.800 its interior. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.480 Is something at the core of him, right at the 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.519 goddamn man to underneath the mantle. Is is Gilbert fucking 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.440 Magma Arenas. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:49.240 That nigga goes crazy? I love it. I love it. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.320 I love it. With the guy with a very normal 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.520 voice that you would think would be just like a 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.880 nice dude, it's just a monster bo. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.760 He sounds like he'd be refilling the waters at your 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.400 work and instead he's just a goddamn animal. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.359 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.440 He sounds like he's never touched a cigarette in his life, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.000 yet here he is cocaine. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.760 And it's not even because he's scared of it. He's 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.040 just like, nah, I saw what it did to my uncle. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.000 I don't know that. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.840 Yeah yeah, I feel like you adopt a baby outside 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:22.400 of his race. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:23.400 But no, no. 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.959 No, he's one of the worst humans on this here 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:27.680 planet Earth. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.919 But the worst is not the fair word. I don't 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:31.360 think that. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.480 I think that great is a word that has no 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.440 morality touched to it. He manizes you. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.920 I think there's a bunch of people who side with 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.360 the devil, and frankly, if you're comfortable inside of that, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.720 I'm not here to judge it. I'm here to support you. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:46.280 I think. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.560 And now before we introduce our I guess let's just 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.160 keep it clear. I think in your heart you would 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:52.840 also like to side with the devil. 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.400 I think so. Yeah, But I think I think I 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.480 am a Gilbert Arenas niggah whose voice matches his body. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.480 You know what I'm saying, Like, I am who I 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.600 am the same way Gilbert is who he is. So 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:11.720 my desire to be evil and devil worshiping is superseded 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.360 by my spatial awareness and fucking sense of self. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.800 And if I'm not being too forward, I'll say that's 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.680 to me one of the more charming things about you. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.960 Oh thanks man, Yeah, man, I need that devil right 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.560 in May. It's not even like a fucking harrowing battle 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.440 every day. It's like, yeah, I see you, devil, but yeah. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.960 Man, but you're you're I see you in the room 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:40.239 and I like it. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.120 It's like that friend you hang out with who you 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.120 can't invite in your house. You know what I mean, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.120 You know you can't. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.760 Yeah, come on the garage, seem. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.280 I fuck with you. Look I fuck with you. But 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.599 my mom she don't fuck with you. Man, I like you, 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:05.920 but there are children in the house. I guess today 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.920 is someone I didn't bite in my home. He could 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.560 come in my house anytime he wants. He's so fucking funny. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.360 He is a returning guest. We haven't had that many 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.599 returning guests. It's actually not a common thing. But he's 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.919 back and he's fucking phenomenal. You know him from the 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.600 air Buds podcast. You know I'm from the Brandon and 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.680 Jamel podcast. You know him from all I think he 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.880 has eighty eight other podcasts. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.760 We just got canceled. We had a thing on them. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.320 We were doing TIMU was doing media and they just can't. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.880 You're gonna really want to get that team move out. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:44.560 Yeah. 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.240 It's a limited run podcast about illegal throwback jerseys and. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.960 Bill Burgess made a movie about it. It's called Real 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.160 Hoopers Tapping and it didn't do well, but. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.680 Fabulous called every week. But but otherwise I'm. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.280 Not get niggas listens calling in. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.920 I know, districted with the Chinese niggas. He was downtown. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.240 I know, I know that you have to introduce him 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:10.600 here on the second and say his name. But I 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.720 will say, just for the record, I have bought a 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.800 illegal throwback out of a backpack from this guest. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.800 Whoa, I still wear it? Nice? WHOA, I go get 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.760 it right now. That's a great bootleg. Man. Oh it's 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.400 a it's a beautiful but it's got the tackle twill. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.000 Oh that was what I was gonna That's what I 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.840 was gonna ask, was was are we talking about? Because 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.039 you said illegal and I wasn't sure if these were 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.120 like these were just hot jerseys or if this was 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.039 truly like, no, this is made by a man who 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.839 is not the man who makes these. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.599 Yeah, a little bit more, that's exactly. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.919 And nobody could tell every time I wear people just 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.880 like oh that Temac's hard. Whoa Also, can I ask 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:55.200 you guys this about illegal shit? 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.400 And this is just a business question. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.520 So this is a wrong I guess for that, my man, But. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.680 I'm friend is a business question. It's just I got 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.800 a chance. I got a chance to come up on 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.520 like a lot of fake Louis. But it's a very 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.680 good quality. But the issue was like, the. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.880 Issue is you keep telling it to people on podcasts. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.000 I know, well, this is you and my friends. You 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:20.560 don't know where it's gonna come from. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.000 But now when I see you in Louie, I'm just 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.880 gonna be like, yeah. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.720 But maybe I'll mix it in with some real so 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:29.320 you don't know. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.440 The mexicik. He posts him Louie down with the rags, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:39.880 with the scarf to the bell, showing just stuff they 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.680 don't make. I got Louis wristband, you know what I was 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.280 just saying about this. Louis was like he was like, 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.880 we could get a lot of Louis from China. But 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.200 you can't use your real credit card. You gotta buy 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.800 a gift card. No, you gotta get a preloaded gift 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.440 card because they they'll take your information but they do deliver. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.600 No man, know this. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.680 If you had a fake identity stashed for an occasion 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:04.960 like this, I would say go for it. 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:09.240 But I started talking about you buy a gift card. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.120 This feels like you're in on something fucking crazy. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:21.680 But I think if it works, it's kind of like, look, 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.480 I think it's I think it's funny either way. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.800 I'll say that right on the record that that I 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.280 I will get a hearty laugh out of your choice 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.679 in either direction. I don't think that this is gonna 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.480 end in like fucking prison time or some ship. But 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.880 but I do think you're taking You're taking a swing 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:39.440 here when. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:40.559 You start sucking around with. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.280 But this is this is a This is a mutual aquaintance, acquaintance. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.960 Our guest knows him, has done work with him. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:48.920 I had a feeling I knew who you was. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.520 You know who it is, a good guy. He's a 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:59.600 good guy, a weird guy. We've made plays together many times. Suddenly, yes, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.040 you make plays with the. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.000 Bro Okay, Okay, so if you have a history with 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.240 this person, that does change the answer. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:08.280 I'm not a monster. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.600 I'm not just having dudes come up on the street saying, hey, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.520 I got this lute for gift cards. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.400 Bory, and I mean this as respectfully as I possibly can. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.520 Anybody in my life is the type of person that 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.199 would have people come up to them and offer them 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:27.160 a deal on Louis Vatan from China via gift cards. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:40.439 It's you, but a perfect That was a perfect drop, my. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.680 Man, the best one I've ever done. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.440 You went fucking crazy with that one. I'm not even 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:52.960 all hold you. That was fucking phenomenal work, Yo, that might. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:53.920 Be the best. That's I think. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.760 That's I think so far as far as long as 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.240 we've been doing this, that was that was. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.800 The best, so good. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.520 It worked out. So it was like I was worried 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.800 because he said it twice, but it was even better. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.319 Nah, I got way better because you needed that first 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.120 round to really know what he's saying. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.960 Yeah, that's just yeah some Olivia's right, somebody's gonna crash 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.200 their car when they hear that. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:22.480 That's that was fucking our guest today. We haven't even 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.839 fucking introduced him. He's a returning guest. He's so fucking funny. 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.800 You've already heard a great comedy from the man in conversation, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.240 but now you know who he is. Jamel Johnson. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.640 Everybody, I actually have one point four percent Nigerian African. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.520 I'm a sister. Okay. Oh that wasn't as good, not 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:44.080 as good. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.360 I'm sorry. I tried to go. I think I got 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.480 cocky after Yeah. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:47.880 You got it. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:48.240 Chill. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.760 You gotta take this season off and just hold that 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:53.920 championship trophy. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:54.199 Baby. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.040 On a related note, shout out to Gilbert Arenas Uh 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:02.760 you is the devil, the only native played basketball in 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.480 air Max's and Creative Wrecks. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.199 He played in an NBA game with Creative Recreation Sneakers, 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.960 came from the club and took off everything but his shoes. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:19.000 That's nuts. That's nuts. He got his money, that's insane. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:25.560 He got off suit. He wore a snap off suit 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:30.760 to the club and left his shoes on and played 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:31.320 in the game. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.440 Bro It's he's nuts. Have y'all seen that video where 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:42.840 he's just he went to Swaggy PE's house child not terrorized, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:48.280 Swaggy terrorized his his child. Yeah, he literally stole the 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.880 child scooter and threw it like forty feet away from him, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.160 and then Swaggy Pe was like, bro, why you do that? 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.040 He was just like, fuck that kid. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:03.280 Yeah, man, nuts an inspiration to us a man. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:11.840 Well, Jamel, you came with a non Gilberterina's related conspiracy theory. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.240 One that I think I would say was I believe 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.600 written in the original pitch of this show. Uh, and 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.520 no one has touched it. Everyone else was afraid to 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:24.800 bro this the listen. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.680 I say this as as we are three niggas trying 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:29.959 to succeed in Hollywood. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.360 As I bring this up. Yeah, it's all love. What 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.839 I'm about to say, there's nothing but love in my heart. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.480 All niggas involved need to know that this is love here. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.280 You know, I'm just doing a podcast with my friends. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:53.280 Yes, I think we're treading into two very scary territory. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.440 Nobody supposed to be here. We get flu. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:04.000 I'm back. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.120 Oh man, you ain't crazy again. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.840 That was. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.880 You know, it's nuts. It don't even really make sense, 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.280 but it makes perfect sense. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.319 It's just a field thing. It's just a thing. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.840 But you said, Jamel, my mama told me the secret 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.440 affair of Eddie Murphy and Johnny Gill. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:34.040 Listen, man, that's what they was that according to my mama, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.680 being from d C, Johnny gil being in the closet 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.280 is a DC rumor. Every time the Quiet Storm would 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.120 come on, they played my my mind, somebody's like, yeah, you. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:51.120 Know, bla blah, and but you're saying like that. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.800 Are you saying, are you saying that this is what 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.520 what people around you are saying when the Quiet Storm 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.960 is playing? Are you saying niggas were calling the race 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.680 radio y'all just playing that new Johnny Gill. But you 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.360 know that nigga both. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.160 I'm saying both things on the table that I know 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.640 that w h u R had to sneak screen some calls. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.160 I'm calling to talk about Johnny Gil's second Eddie Murphy's deck. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:24.640 Put me on the radio, put me in right now. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:30.440 Now. Do I think this is true? 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:36.320 I have no idea. Yeah, all I know is some 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.480 timelines match. I've seen some photos of Johnny Gill and 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.640 some real deep cut cardigan V neck like a deep 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.840 like a like the V on the card again is 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.800 below his belly button with the basic boy. You know 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:55.360 what I'm saying, it's a strong look. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.280 He now? Were they now? Now? 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.320 Was Johnny just crashing at Eddie's guesthouse or were they 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.520 Were they just pals? Did they just happen to do 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.320 Boomerang and the Boomerang soundtrack at the same time? 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.640 Did they start dressing the same in the early nineties? 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.720 I don't that's that's okay, though I do think good 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.360 friends can do that. I don't think dressing the same 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.400 as always an r Kelly a Lea situation. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.440 You you think that historically there are a bunch of 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.520 instances where grown men dressed the same and that we 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:31.880 were like accepting of that. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.560 I think that if we look into our hearts and 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.240 we tell the truth, we can admit that we've all 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:36.600 done that. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.800 Yes, were you like you were which a boy? You 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.240 were like, hey, dog, let's wear this outfit? 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:42.480 This? 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.760 Not that, but like we are so we're together every day, 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.480 we hang out all the time, we kind of dress 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:49.960 the same. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.880 It could happen, because what happens when one person gets 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:59.240 a five pack of tall Tease? Come on, somebody else 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.800 might get a pack, remember, okay. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:02.640 But. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.400 Others, I guess to your credit, I will say that 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.600 I am omitting the Tall Tea era from my head. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.080 When I'm thinking about this, I think of more distinct 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.440 dressing styles and ship. Like the early two thousands was 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:25.200 a dangerous time because we were all just desperately holding 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:26.000 on to junk. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:26.920 Do you know what I mean? 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.880 I was trying to make fucking garbage work. Brother, our 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.600 bodies other eras feel like real fashion and ship. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.600 Brother, I've been to a party with three other dudes 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.360 I ride with, arrived with all wearing double knead dickies. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:43.680 I know what you're talking about. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:48.640 Yeah, No, we we made we made some insane choices. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:49.240 And they let all in. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.600 They let one of us walked through the side door. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:54.760 But that's besides the point. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:01.560 No, we were going crazy. So I have trouble with 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.320 the two thousands, but there's never been an row I 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.280 think personally where I was like intentionally being like, Yeah, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.560 me and I'm a boy dressing the same and going 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.199 to the same places together. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:20.720 Listen, come on, but have you also maybe been to 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.560 a party in Kisstrmn's You know what I'm saying. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:30.800 No, that's why I know, and that's why I'm saying 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.600 that I think that this could be a platonic friendship. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.359 You genuinely believe in the possibility of this not being 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.320 sexual and just being two men bonded in the nineties. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.119 I think that's what I'm saying. 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.880 I think there's a level of male bonding that is 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:54.160 maybe more intimate than just homies that people don't really 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.200 feel like acknowledging until this most recent generation. I guess 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.480 where die about you, twin, That's what that is, right, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:03.040 that's like. 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.879 Yeah, And I guess where I do agree with you 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.959 is I do think that those levels of bonds exists 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.600 right where. That is just like, truly, that is my 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.400 fucking partner, that is my dog. We are we are 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:22.320 tethered in a way that I can't undo. Yeah, here's 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.040 where I get a little weird about it, or at 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:29.480 least question it is. I didn't form none of them 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.639 them bonds in my thirties. That shit happened, you know 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.960 what I mean? Like that shit happened at like a 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.720 young formative age, not while like I was the most 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.680 famous human being on the planet. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.080 Hey, it doesn't strike you, doesn't mean it's not real. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.399 Whoa heavy. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.440 It didn't not hurt my feelings, but I do respect 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:59.919 what you're saying. It did feel painful to hear out loud, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.280 but I do respect the words. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.320 Yeah, Okay, I'm just saying I mean, and you, everybody's 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.600 got their side to this. I'm just saying that I 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.119 think it's possible that they just had an intense bawd. Also, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.040 and this is this is when I first had thought 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.840 when I heard this conspiracy, I have never heard the 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.480 Johnny Gil. I had heard that it was Eddie Murphy 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.480 and Arsenio Hall. Of course, yeah, that was the one 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.040 I heard. So that was always kind of where I 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.199 had written on that. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.480 And Jamielle, I'd love to hear where this originated from. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:35.720 You. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.919 I think I had heard both. I think I had 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:43.000 heard it was more of a generational relationship thing. So 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.280 in the beginning it was Arsenio Hall and then it 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.080 became Johnny Gill for whatever reason. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:50.040 But do you think. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.560 Arsenio just got too busy with the show? He was like, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.040 because I mean, we've all used that excuse. Right, I'm 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.240 working so much. I can't have a girlfriend right now. 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.400 And I will say that there's there is a period 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.960 in in the Eddie Murphy. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:18.879 Said that, all right, wait on me, that's not That's 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.560 why I'm Kilbert readers on this podcast. I was like, 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:22.560 we got it. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:23.760 He's going off. 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:29.240 You think I'm not gonna drag me into it. They're 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:36.320 not going to force my hand, you know, all right? 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.400 All right, that there is a period where our Sineo 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:44.399 and Eddie don't feel like they're as close anymore. Like 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.160 they're not making films together, they're not really hanging out. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.640 They're they're sort of like out of the public eye. 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.320 And maybe there's an argument to be made that that's 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:57.520 where the relationship starts to wane or has faded, and 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.720 Johnny gill is filling the void and bet between then. 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.360 Like posts coming to America type of thing, right, yeah, exactly. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.159 That was when they were about as tight as can be. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.679 It felt like yeah, and then suddenly they weren't, you 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.600 know what I mean. They weren't like publicly beefing. Obviously 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:15.879 Eddie went on the show and shit, but it didn't 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.719 feel like they were like fucking partners anymore. It felt like, nah, y'all, 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.480 y'all just cool now, And that's different. 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.679 It also might be a change in relationship dynamics. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.000 I think a lot of times, especially entertainers who are 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.000 kind of the man if their man gets on. Now 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:34.800 all of a sudden, they're not like, you know what 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:36.480 I mean, it was cool when you were Simy and 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.920 you played my man slave in a movie. The Royal 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.239 penis is clean, your highness, But now you got your 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.280 own show. You got the dog found, he got your 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:43.800 own penis. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:48.760 Yeah, and it's also clean, exactly exactly. 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.000 Yeah, oh yeah, he was not. He did not have 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:52.640 a dirty dick. 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.440 Jamel, where are you with this? Both the dirty dick 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.320 and the beginning of this conspiracy? 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.000 So, I mean it starts with Johnny gil Like I said, 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.159 being from DC, this was kind of a rumor that 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.960 he was in the closet, which I didn't which I 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.080 was like, I mean, hey, who knows you know? Sure, 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.879 I don't know, Like sure, I've never I don't, Like, 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:15.960 I don't know who Johnny Gills dated. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:17.280 Why would I you know. 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.040 What I'm saying, right, and you know, And it's like 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.280