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Speaker 1: niggas have on the weaker their Oh yeah, because don't

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Speaker 2: Yo, but if you got that Walmart white tea at sharp,

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Speaker 3: I need peace. I need this ship.

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Speaker 4: I did have to funny act. I need peace.

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Speaker 2: Chips in your.

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Speaker 3: Own.

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Speaker 2: Racists, money's stuff. I can't tell.

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Speaker 3: Me booty but cheeks, Booty but cheeks that it is.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: It is hello to our little mamas and our gentiles alike.

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Speaker 3: There it is, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal

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Speaker 3: episode of My Mama Told Me.

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Speaker 2: The podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of

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Speaker 2: black conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: And we finally worked to prove that they planted that

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Speaker 3: gun on Gilbert the Erenus because they couldn't stick him

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Speaker 3: for the cocaine he had fallen out of his socks

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Speaker 3: during practice. This motherfucker was supposed to go to jail,

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Speaker 3: and instead they just gave him a season long suspension.

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Speaker 2: Come on, tell him, tell him, come on.

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Speaker 3: He was in big trouble, baby, and they had to

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Speaker 2: He really had No Chill, maybe one of the more

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Speaker 3: It's so funny because he is just a nigga from Arizona,

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Speaker 3: and so you I think in my mind, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: Like you don't have to be this guy. But it's

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Speaker 4: That guy, and I appreciate the energy.

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Speaker 3: He don't even talk like the person that he is,

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Speaker 2: As someone as someone in the same boat. I respect it, Ignie,

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Speaker 3: It's like, how is he bullying swaggy pe? This doesn't

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Speaker 4: But he's doing it because he's got that jog in.

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Speaker 4: That's all you need. It's not a vocal thing, it's

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Speaker 3: Is something at the core of him, right at the

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Speaker 3: Magma Arenas.

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Speaker 2: That nigga goes crazy? I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it. With the guy with a very normal

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Speaker 3: He sounds like he'd be refilling the waters at your

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: He sounds like he's never touched a cigarette in his life,

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Speaker 3: And it's not even because he's scared of it. He's

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Speaker 3: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I feel like you adopt a baby outside

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Speaker 4: But no, no.

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Speaker 3: No, he's one of the worst humans on this here

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Speaker 4: But the worst is not the fair word. I don't

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Speaker 2: I think that great is a word that has no

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Speaker 3: I think there's a bunch of people who side with

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Speaker 3: I'm not here to judge it. I'm here to support you.

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Speaker 2: And now before we introduce our I guess let's just

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Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, But I think I think I

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, I am who I

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Speaker 2: And if I'm not being too forward, I'll say that's

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Speaker 3: Oh thanks man, Yeah, man, I need that devil right

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Speaker 3: It's like that friend you hang out with who you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come on the garage, seem.

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Speaker 3: I fuck with you. Look I fuck with you. But

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Speaker 3: He is a returning guest. We haven't had that many

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Speaker 4: We just got canceled. We had a thing on them.

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Speaker 1: We were doing TIMU was doing media and they just can't.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna really want to get that team move out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a limited run podcast about illegal throwback jerseys and.

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Speaker 4: Bill Burgess made a movie about it. It's called Real

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Speaker 4: Hoopers Tapping and it didn't do well, but.

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Speaker 3: Fabulous called every week. But but otherwise I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not get niggas listens calling in.

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Speaker 4: I know, districted with the Chinese niggas. He was downtown.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know that you have to introduce him

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Speaker 4: Whoa, I still wear it? Nice? WHOA, I go get

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Speaker 4: it right now. That's a great bootleg. Man. Oh it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit more, that's exactly.

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Speaker 2: And nobody could tell every time I wear people just

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Speaker 4: And this is just a business question.

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Speaker 2: I'm friend is a business question. It's just I got

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Speaker 2: like a lot of fake Louis. But it's a very

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Speaker 3: Issue is you keep telling it to people on podcasts.

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Speaker 4: I know, well, this is you and my friends. You

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Speaker 3: But now when I see you in Louie, I'm just

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Speaker 4: But maybe I'll mix it in with some real so

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Speaker 1: The mexicik. He posts him Louie down with the rags,

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Speaker 1: we could get a lot of Louis from China. But

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Speaker 1: you can't use your real credit card. You gotta buy

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Speaker 1: a gift card. No, you gotta get a preloaded gift

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Speaker 3: No man, know this.

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Speaker 4: If you had a fake identity stashed for an occasion

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Speaker 3: But I started talking about you buy a gift card.

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Speaker 3: This feels like you're in on something fucking crazy.

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Speaker 5: But I think if it works, it's kind of like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'll say that right on the record that that I

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Speaker 4: You start sucking around with.

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Speaker 2: But this is this is a This is a mutual aquaintance, acquaintance.

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Speaker 2: Our guest knows him, has done work with him.

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Speaker 4: I had a feeling I knew who you was.

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Speaker 2: You know who it is, a good guy. He's a

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Speaker 2: good guy, a weird guy. We've made plays together many times. Suddenly, yes,

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Speaker 3: Bro Okay, Okay, so if you have a history with

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Speaker 4: I'm not a monster.

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Speaker 2: I'm not just having dudes come up on the street saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: I got this lute for gift cards.

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Speaker 3: Bory, and I mean this as respectfully as I possibly can.

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Speaker 3: Anybody in my life is the type of person that

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Speaker 3: It's you, but a perfect That was a perfect drop, my.

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Speaker 4: Man, the best one I've ever done.

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Speaker 3: You went fucking crazy with that one. I'm not even

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Speaker 3: all hold you. That was fucking phenomenal work, Yo, that might.

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Speaker 2: That's I think so far as far as long as

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Speaker 2: It worked out. So it was like I was worried

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Speaker 3: Nah, I got way better because you needed that first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just yeah some Olivia's right, somebody's gonna crash

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Speaker 3: That's that was fucking our guest today. We haven't even

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Speaker 3: You've already heard a great comedy from the man in conversation,

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Speaker 6: Everybody, I actually have one point four percent Nigerian African.

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Speaker 3: I'm a sister. Okay. Oh that wasn't as good, not

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I tried to go. I think I got

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Speaker 3: You got it.

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Speaker 2: Chill.

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Speaker 3: You gotta take this season off and just hold that

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Speaker 3: championship trophy.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 1: you is the devil, the only native played basketball in

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Speaker 1: air Max's and Creative Wrecks.

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Speaker 4: He played in an NBA game with Creative Recreation Sneakers,

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Speaker 4: came from the club and took off everything but his shoes.

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Speaker 3: That's nuts. That's nuts. He got his money, that's insane.

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Speaker 4: He got off suit. He wore a snap off suit

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Speaker 3: he's just he went to Swaggy PE's house child not terrorized,

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Speaker 3: Swaggy terrorized his his child. Yeah, he literally stole the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, nuts an inspiration to us a man.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jamel, you came with a non Gilberterina's related conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 4: I say this as as we are three niggas trying

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Speaker 1: As I bring this up. Yeah, it's all love. What

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Speaker 1: All niggas involved need to know that this is love here.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just doing a podcast with my friends.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think we're treading into two very scary territory.

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Speaker 3: Nobody supposed to be here. We get flu.

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Speaker 4: I'm back.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, you ain't crazy again.

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Speaker 4: That was.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's nuts. It don't even really make sense,

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Speaker 4: It's just a field thing. It's just a thing.

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Speaker 3: But you said, Jamel, my mama told me the secret

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, that's what they was that according to my mama,

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Speaker 1: is a DC rumor. Every time the Quiet Storm would

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Speaker 1: come on, they played my my mind, somebody's like, yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, bla blah, and but you're saying like that.

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Speaker 3: Are you saying, are you saying that this is what

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Speaker 3: radio y'all just playing that new Johnny Gill. But you

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Speaker 4: I'm saying both things on the table that I know

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Speaker 3: I'm calling to talk about Johnny Gil's second Eddie Murphy's deck.

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Speaker 3: Put me on the radio, put me in right now.

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Speaker 4: Now. Do I think this is true?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. Yeah, all I know is some

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Speaker 1: timelines match. I've seen some photos of Johnny Gill and

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Speaker 4: He now? Were they now? Now?

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Speaker 1: Was Johnny just crashing at Eddie's guesthouse or were they

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Speaker 1: Were they just pals? Did they just happen to do

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Speaker 4: Did they start dressing the same in the early nineties?

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Speaker 2: I don't that's that's okay, though I do think good

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Speaker 3: You you think that historically there are a bunch of

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Speaker 2: I think that if we look into our hearts and

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Speaker 2: done that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, were you like you were which a boy? You

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Speaker 3: were like, hey, dog, let's wear this outfit?

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Speaker 4: This?

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Speaker 2: Not that, but like we are so we're together every day,

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Speaker 2: we hang out all the time, we kind of dress

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Speaker 4: It could happen, because what happens when one person gets

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Speaker 4: a five pack of tall Tease? Come on, somebody else

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Speaker 4: might get a pack, remember, okay.

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Speaker 2: But.

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Speaker 3: Others, I guess to your credit, I will say that

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Speaker 3: I am omitting the Tall Tea era from my head.

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Speaker 3: When I'm thinking about this, I think of more distinct

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Speaker 3: dressing styles and ship. Like the early two thousands was

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I was trying to make fucking garbage work. Brother, our

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Speaker 3: bodies other eras feel like real fashion and ship.

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Speaker 2: Brother, I've been to a party with three other dudes

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Speaker 2: I ride with, arrived with all wearing double knead dickies.

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Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, we we made we made some insane choices.

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Speaker 4: And they let all in.

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Speaker 2: They let one of us walked through the side door.

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Speaker 4: But that's besides the point.

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Speaker 3: No, we were going crazy. So I have trouble with

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Speaker 3: the two thousands, but there's never been an row I

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Speaker 3: think personally where I was like intentionally being like, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Listen, come on, but have you also maybe been to

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Speaker 4: a party in Kisstrmn's You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: No, that's why I know, and that's why I'm saying

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Speaker 2: that I think that this could be a platonic friendship.

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Speaker 3: You genuinely believe in the possibility of this not being

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Speaker 4: I think that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a level of male bonding that is

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Speaker 2: where die about you, twin, That's what that is, right,

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Speaker 2: that's like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess where I do agree with you

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Speaker 3: is I do think that those levels of bonds exists

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Speaker 3: right where. That is just like, truly, that is my

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Speaker 3: tethered in a way that I can't undo. Yeah, here's

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Speaker 3: least question it is. I didn't form none of them

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Speaker 3: them bonds in my thirties. That shit happened, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that shit happened at like a

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Speaker 4: Hey, it doesn't strike you, doesn't mean it's not real.

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Speaker 4: Whoa heavy.

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Speaker 3: It didn't not hurt my feelings, but I do respect

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Speaker 3: what you're saying. It did feel painful to hear out loud,

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Speaker 3: but I do respect the words.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm just saying I mean, and you, everybody's

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Speaker 2: think it's possible that they just had an intense bawd. Also,

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Speaker 2: and this is this is when I first had thought

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Speaker 2: when I heard this conspiracy, I have never heard the

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Speaker 2: Johnny Gil. I had heard that it was Eddie Murphy

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Speaker 3: And Jamielle, I'd love to hear where this originated from.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 3: I think I had heard both. I think I had

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Speaker 4: But do you think.

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Speaker 2: Arsenio just got too busy with the show? He was like,

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Speaker 3: And I will say that there's there is a period

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Speaker 2: Said that, all right, wait on me, that's not That's

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Speaker 2: why I'm Kilbert readers on this podcast. I was like,

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Speaker 2: we got it.

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Speaker 1: He's going off.

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Speaker 3: You think I'm not gonna drag me into it. They're

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Speaker 3: not going to force my hand, you know, all right?

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Speaker 3: All right, that there is a period where our Sineo

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Speaker 2: Like posts coming to America type of thing, right, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: That was when they were about as tight as can be.

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Speaker 3: It felt like yeah, and then suddenly they weren't, you

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Speaker 4: It also might be a change in relationship dynamics.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times, especially entertainers who are

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was cool when you were Simy and

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Speaker 2: you played my man slave in a movie. The Royal

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Speaker 2: penis is clean, your highness, But now you got your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also clean, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, he was not. He did not have

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Speaker 3: Jamel, where are you with this? Both the dirty dick

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Speaker 3: and the beginning of this conspiracy?

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Speaker 1: So, I mean it starts with Johnny gil Like I said,

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Speaker 4: Why would I you know.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying, right, and you know, And it's like

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Speaker 3: All Yeah, reflexes is live and well.

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Speaker 4: It's really shit. And I think R and B niggas.

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Speaker 1: In the eighties it was like that times a million,

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Speaker 4: The right way? Well, here's a pussy right here, niggie,

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Speaker 4: what's up? Better fuck me right now, right now.

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Speaker 3: I came here to fuck you and only you, whereas

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Speaker 3: I think now concerts people are like, I came here

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Speaker 4: Over your body, your specific body. And so that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: So if Johnny's not like out with a bunch of hoes,

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Speaker 1: they sure, And it kind of didn't really, it had

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Speaker 1: that's not a this level of a v neck is

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Speaker 4: I can't you know what I'm saying, Like that's all

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Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about like, okay, so Eddie

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Speaker 4: You're pretty distracted. You're trying to make distinguished gentlemen, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a good because what happened to that movie.

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Speaker 1: wasn't good kind of started to make this like I

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Speaker 1: could see.

443
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Speaker 2: Why Now do you take do you take the Distinguished

444
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 2: Gentleman not working? Do you feel like maybe you take

445
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: that a little more personally because you're from DC and

446
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: is a DC based movie?

447
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Okay, we all were supposed to have parts in that.

448
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 4: This is a little Niggas six.

449
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: There was supposed to be a trilogy and I will

450
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 3: never get it because because Johnny that is mouthed on Eddie.

451
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Speaker 7: Do we keep going back to that being the dynamic

452
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 7: that Johnny had his mouth on Eddie.

453
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't think he could have gone the other way.

454
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 3: That Eddie had his mouth on Johnny. Yeah, I think

455
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: it was mutual. I think they both put their mouths

456
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 3: on each other. Yeah. I don't think only one of

457
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: them got their dick sucked ever, I think they both

458
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: did it. If that's the argument, what if it was

459
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: just like a group thing, Well, okay, let's talk about

460
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: this because I do think.

461
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Speaker 4: I think that there is a level of that is

462
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 4: a type of friends as well.

463
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: I do think that there is, and this often feels

464
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: like at least a root of all the gay rumors

465
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: that happen in Hollywood is that I think when you

466
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: reach a certain level of success and fame and money

467
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: and status and shit, sex changes and it stops just

468
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: being sort of like this this you know, fucking analog

469
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: version of like a me, my wife, We have sex.

470
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: That's it is what it is. And I think these

471
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: motherfuckers open up their worlds then like try different shit

472
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: and do it with a bunch of people in the room,

473
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 3: because why not, I've had all the sex. And if

474
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 3: I'm in a novice entering this space, y'all niggas gay,

475
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like I don't even know

476
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: how to explain what the fuck I just saw. So, yeah,

477
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: you're gay and that may not even be true, it

478
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 3: just is. You don't get it.

479
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: Bro Wow Langston positioning themself to be an elite one day,

480
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: I like.

481
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Speaker 1: This, Hey, we're not doing the show to we're trying

482
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Speaker 1: to build the bridges.

483
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Speaker 2: No, I feel also, I also think that that's a

484
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: very good point though. I think that at some point

485
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 2: it becomes like a bacchanall orgy type of situation, and

486
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: maybe some people don't understand that, you know what I mean,

487
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: and it's like they love they do. There's a bunch

488
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: of people there, and yeah, I feel like it maybe

489
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: like a Studio fifty four type of situation.

490
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 4: You know, we're.

491
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: Upstairs, some people are dancing, some people are fucking. Sometimes

492
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Johnny and Eddie are dancing, are fucking sometimes they're like

493
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: but maybe they maybe it's just like because they were

494
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: both on the same wave, that's what's kind of caused

495
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: them to bond. Because you you bond with people that

496
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: you kind of do dirt with, you know.

497
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, those are the people I'm probably closest to,

498
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: the ones that I've not my secret.

499
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly and not I'm not saying I understand,

500
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm not sex shaming. I don't think sex is dirt,

501
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: but I think in the eighties and early nineties, these

502
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: type of parties were considered maybe like an underground fetish

503
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: type of thing. It's like when you know Keith, communities

504
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: are so tight, like you see furries and they're like

505
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: tight with each other because they share this thing.

506
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: I think I think, even if we are not calling

507
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: it dirt, it was considered dirt of that era. And

508
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: in that way, if you are a celebrity of a

509
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: certain status, or specifically a black man in a community

510
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 3: that or that specifically is making art trying to to

511
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: engage the black community, the fear is that they are

512
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: going to label my sexuality, my sexual behavior whatever, dirt,

513
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: and now I'm going to lose my entire fucking fan base.

514
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: Like I don't even think white people are aware of

515
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 3: Johnny Gill's existence. I think they can't see that.

516
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: I don't think I think you're completely right. I've tried

517
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: to bring up LSG at like white gatherings, and it never.

518
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: It's like a ghost in a room when they walk.

519
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: In, which is strange that they missed he was in

520
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: new edition. I mean, arguably not the best new edition.

521
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Speaker 4: But new edition. He wasn't in the new addition that

522
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: white people know, I know, when they were cute they

523
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: was he in mint condition?

524
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, I'm sorry for derailing this.

525
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: I just mint condition was a new edition reboot, right,

526
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: it was mint conditioned other.

527
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Speaker 4: Dudes, I think the other dudes. Yeah, different beaters, a

528
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: whole different thing. I didn't know different leaders, different color beats.

529
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: I didn't whoa. I don't know why I thought that

530
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: mint condition I thought it was I thought it was

531
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: in the new edition universe.

532
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: See, this is a problem, man, I'll be getting caught

533
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: up on ship rhymes.

534
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: I just I just imagine you explaining that to your doctor, like, yo,

535
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not dyslexic.

536
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: Rhyme like trying to kill me. I make try me.

537
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: It is.

538
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: Oh man, this might be this is actually helping me

539
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: because it is when ship rhymes. I do think that

540
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: it's related.

541
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: Does that make sense? Yeah, of course. I don't like.

542
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't like the way you guys were quiet.

543
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: I just think, and I can only speak for myself.

544
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: I just think it's completely unrelatable for me. So I

545
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: can only acknowledge that this is a real thing you're experiencing.

546
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm an iconic class. You know a lot of people,

547
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people say they're built different, but they're

548
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: built similarly.

549
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: And brother, you built different.

550
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying not a lot of guys have had that

551
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: thought in their head where they were like, is mint

552
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: condition related to New Edition.

553
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's had that thought. And that's fucking cool.

554
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 4: It's journalism. Yeah, it's an issue I deal with. We're

555
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: all fighting our battles. Anyways, what I think about this

556
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: is is, yeah, it's like these two guys at the

557
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: height of their powers, Johnny Gale and ENnie Murphy in

558
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 4: the early nineties. Bro, It's like, this is it, Bro,

559
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: come on the hair alone. They're hanging in LA and yeah,

560
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: you know, things might have got bachan alien And I

561
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: just think I think Johnny Gill is like the type

562
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: of like, only Johnny Gill could shoot a shot like

563
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: this because dudes from DC, we'll shoot some shots we're

564
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: not supposed to.

565
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: That is crazy.

566
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: I will tell will go in.

567
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: I will say, and maybe this is a nice way

568
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: for us to go to break is I've never thought

569
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: about how cool that is that Johnny Gill pulled the

570
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: Beyonce of an era being fucking Johnny Gill, you know

571
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like he wasn't even supposed to be

572
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: over there. Somehow he got bitch in the room.

573
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: It's a tiger style move where you're like, wow, this

574
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: doesn't even I.

575
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: Don't even know how you're doing this. Man, This is

576
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: like early Nick Cannon. Ye were like, that's.

577
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: Cannon.

578
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense because early she was just Paris

579
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: Hilton's assistant.

580
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: That's I'm thinking, not not so much early Nick Cannon,

581
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: but I'm thinking more the era after we discovered that

582
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: he could he could do this over.

583
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: And over and over, Okay, you know what I mean.

584
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: Like it was cool when he had like him, and

585
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: then it was crazy when he got Christina Milian. But

586
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: then he did Mariah and we were like, this nigga

587
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: might be the goat.

588
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 4: It was amazing. He might be insane off like a

589
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: couple of songs, off like a song and a half

590
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 4: and cost the thing, what's the thing that's a half

591
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: a book? That's a book.

592
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: That's maybe that's a book. I think is a book.

593
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: And I don't think he had another one and and.

594
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: A book for the time where we're not saying you

595
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: should go listen to Jigglo now, don't, please don't. There's

596
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: a lot of problematic reasons for listening to the song,

597
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: including the artist that it features.

598
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's not a problem. Always shining with the

599
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: fresh press clothes. I'm just saying, spending lots of dough,

600
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: always surrounded by so many hosts.

601
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: It was a good song.

602
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: The message, the message is still powerful.

603
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Don't worry about him, don't worry about Nick and who

604
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: were on Ducati's don't worry about it.

605
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: All right, we need to take a break. We are

606
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: long past our time. We're gonna be back with more

607
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: Jamil Johnson and more.

608
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: My mama told me.

609
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: Landa is not what Johnny gill or Eddie Murphy said

610
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: when they were involved impossibly a love affair in the

611
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties. We're back with Jamel Johnson. Let's discuss.

612
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 3: Let's let's dig into it.

613
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: Jamel.

614
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so you you hear this in your early formative years.

615
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: It is circulating on the radio, that's circulating in your community.

616
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: When you're hearing this as a young person, do you

617
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: do you believe it. Are you bought in immediately or

618
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: are you skeptical until you find yourself seeing the dpvs

619
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: later in life.

620
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: I'm skeptical until later in life. And then later in

621
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 4: life I'm like, I'm seeing that and then I'm going

622
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 4: back and I'm rewatching Eddie movies and like he's just

623
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: one of the wildest kissers.

624
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: Something to about the way he kisses. Remember when he

625
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: slops down halle Berry and Boomerang, it's so insane that

626
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: I don't I'm just like, I ain't know what I'm

627
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: like this dude, my fuck anybody?

628
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is man, that's a very good point.

629
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, slobbing her down, there was no there's no like

630
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: professional awareness in the way that he was kissing her,

631
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, you're not treating her like, yeah,

632
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: obviously we have sexual chemistry and we'll demonstrate that chemistry,

633
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: but we are we are not together, we are not

634
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: actually fucking I'll give you some sort of courtesy as

635
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: a human. There's none of that.

636
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 7: It's just like pure fucking throat Campbell type of situation

637
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 7: to it.

638
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: And it's just like WHOA just seeing that again and

639
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: as an adult and you're like ep I don't know

640
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: what to think anymore.

641
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: I don't know what that.

642
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: Is fair. I did some research on this conspiracy theory,

643
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: and I will say that very little of it actually

644
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: feels geared towards the root of the conspiracy theory, like

645
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: how this actually started. And instead is a lot, a

646
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: lot a lot of articles refuting and or like addressing

647
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: the conspiracy theory. So specifically, my personal favorite, there's a

648
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: twenty third bossip article and it's bossip, so y'all already

649
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: know how they move. But they said gay rumor control,

650
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: Johnny Gil.

651
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: Is that a section that they run.

652
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: Round It's gay rumor control colon, which implies that they

653
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: do this all the time.

654
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: And another one.

655
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: You already know how we get down on the gay

656
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: roomor control. Nobody's safe. And this is the best part

657
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: of it, it's gay rumor control. Johnny Gil finally confirms

658
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: whether or not Eddie Murphy has been smashing his R

659
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: and B backs to smithering.

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00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 4: He doesn't say that.

661
00:36:42,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: I swear to God that's the tail to smithereens the

662
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: smitherings backs multiple backs.

663
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: When this nigga's back just pulverizing.

664
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: Smashing his R and B backs. The smitherings.

665
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: What are R and B backs? Figgre What even is

666
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: a smithereen? I don't know. Is there such thing as

667
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 4: a singular smithereen?

668
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you who knows Eddie Murphy because he'd

669
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 3: be smashing.

670
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: Backs and tell that at oh So In this article,

671
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 6: this bossip article, they basically are doing their their bossip

672
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 6: recap of specifically an interview gilded.

673
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: With Yahoo OMG news. Remember this is twenty thirteen. Yahoo

674
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: is still a reliable source for information. But Kevin Fraser,

675
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: if you guys are right familiar with Kevin Frasier, he's

676
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: interviewing Johnny gil and pretty much asked him straight up

677
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: about why there are so many rumors as it relates

678
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: to his sexuality. And Johnny says, if I could tell

679
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: you why, I sure would have by now at this

680
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 3: point in time, I would have been able to cure

681
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: that issue, to get rid of that issue. I took

682
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: this for the life of me, never never understood where

683
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: it came from, why it lasted as it's lasted.

684
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 4: Well, I guess this podcast part of it. But listen, bru, Yeah,

685
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: what are we supposed to do? I was just I

686
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: was given this world. I didn't make it.

687
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Here's where I take a little bit of issue

688
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: is him sort of being like, I truly have no

689
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: clue for the life of me how this rumor could

690
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: have started or where it could have come from. And

691
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: it's like, Bro, you know where the fuck this came from.

692
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: You don't have to agree with it. You don't have

693
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: to like, uh, h.

694
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: Roup might have the role, or you know where it

695
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: could have came from?

696
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown, because that was the you know, Johnny gil

697
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: comes in a new addition to replace.

698
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: Replace the specifically coin him as a replacement. It isn't

699
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: even yeah.

700
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: And I mean Bobby does seem like he could be

701
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: petty like that. And he was killing too, Bobby. I mean,

702
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: Johnny went into audition, he's crushing. So Bobby's like, Bobby's

703
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: got his solo ship, but you know he mad that

704
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: these niggas didn't fall off.

705
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but his ship was so high.

706
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know even still, you know he looking over

707
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: there like these niggas still got hits man, fuck.

708
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: And I bet Bobby was looking down the down the

709
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: line a little bit as some of them songs, and

710
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: you're like, Ali, these ain't all of these ain't bangers

711
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: after this first album. This is starting to get a little.

712
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: I don't I would not feel this. I agree to disagree.

713
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: If I had put out Don't be Cruel, I would

714
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: maybe I would behave.

715
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: In a way as if I could not be touched. Mmm,

716
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: you did hear you?

717
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: I think had I put out Don't be Cruel at

718
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: the height of the time where you could also be

719
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: famous and still smoke or do cocaine, I think my behavior.

720
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh man, but I think the cocaine might have made

721
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: him petty. I'm just imagining him on something like David Ruffing.

722
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: He's leaving new edition, like David Ruffing, like y'all ain't

723
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: about to be shipped without me kicking me out of

724
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: the group, all right, we'll see.

725
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: And the new Nigga gay and yeah, yeah, yeah, which

726
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 3: does sound like something you would say in the nineties,

727
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: right yeah, And that new motherfucker gay and you just

728
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: let that be a rumor that everybody deals with.

729
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 4: Honestly, that's some shit you saying. Now.

730
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: Now everybody's gay, right, you can talk to anybody, and

731
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: everybody's gay to anybody.

732
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 4: Ye.

733
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: Ralph Trevan's like, I know, that's why we picked him.

734
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 3: That's why we like him so much.

735
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: Here's the right question about this, Why does it seem

736
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 4: like this rumor seems to play Johnny Gill and not

737
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: Eddie Murphy.

738
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: That that was something that I thought about quite a bit,

739
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: and it's actually does come up a little bit in

740
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: the research in that same interview with Kevin Fraser, because

741
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: he actually says some some more interesting shit that I

742
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: want to read to you guys as we move along.

743
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: But to your question, Bory, in terms of the Eddie

744
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: of it all, Kevin Fraser asked him specifically, Yo, why

745
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: do you think specifically it's Eddie Murphy that you're so

746
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: sexually attached to, and what does Eddie think about that?

747
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: And he pretty much says that, like Eddie doesn't think

748
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: about any of this stuff at all, that like he

749
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: essentially is like indifferent to it. He laughs at it.

750
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: He says if anybody were to even bring this up

751
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: around him, he'd tell them he'd smack them with his wallet.

752
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: That like he he just would flex his money and

753
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: be like, bitch, I'm Eddie Murphy more than give a

754
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: shit about rumors of homosexuality.

755
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: Pretty cool take. And then you gotta think, Eddie, you

756
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: gotta think Eddie came up.

757
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Under prior, right, and prior prior was fucking Marlon Brando,

758
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: And I think and Eddie's Eddie's hip to that, and

759
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, well, this is like, how how

760
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: else am I going to become the Highlander?

761
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: I got? I gotta get me an R and B diva.

762
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah wow. And I will say this does also explain

763
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: the beef between Cosby and them more, I think, because

764
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: I've never for a seconds imagine Cosby fucking around with

765
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: a man and being like open in that way, right,

766
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: Like he was probably an obviously a violent horrible man,

767
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: but he was a conservative, violent horrible man. He was repressed.

768
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: He was never going to actually explore his sexuality, which

769
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: is why he turns probably to fucking queludes to earn

770
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: the sexual exploration that he otherwise cannot just get on

771
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: his own.

772
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 4: Thea to the Akuma to Eddie Murphy's Ryu.

773
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly that.

774
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: Wos these niggas had to fight in the woods. It

775
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: was it was like, you know what I'm saying, niggas

776
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: throwing fireballs.

777
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 4: And ship fucking bugs don't know nothing about that.

778
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this nigga's been.

779
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 4: I don't even have anything to say. He's been mine.

780
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: If Eddie Murphy ever hears this, Nigga, I called you ryu.

781
00:43:53,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: Nigga said, everybody knows akuma. Bill Cosby's a cuma in

782
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: this story.

783
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: There's no, it's not clearly the hero get well.

784
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: I would say Eddie Murphy's can uh and Richard Pryor's

785
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: ryu in this in this story in this specific Yeah, you.

786
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: Say, Johnny gil was and I was.

787
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: Gonna, okay, I want to read you guys some of

788
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: the more interesting quotes that happened inside of this interview.

789
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 3: He goes on to say, let me make sure we're

790
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: clear on something, whether it's being called gay, accused of

791
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: being gay, accused of a thief, accused of being anything

792
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: or any or somebody's lying about you and saying something

793
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: about you that's not true. It just doesn't feel good.

794
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: I have such compassion for gay people now more than ever,

795
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: just simply because in some odd way I've been able

796
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: to walk in their shoes or to see how they

797
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 3: feel and how people treat them and deal with them

798
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: because of their sexuality.

799
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: Oh, Johnny, why you throw the liar thing in there,

800
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: the thief part?

801
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, why you throw the thiet part. Is this because

802
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: of the because doesn't he own the name new edition?

803
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: Didn't he pulled like a he pulled a little move

804
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: on the squad. And I think I think that is true.

805
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: That Wow, that's fucking nuts. If it is.

806
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 4: My mama didn't even tell me that. I just that

807
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: was some shit. I think that might have just been

808
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: from the b T joint. Let me see holding.

809
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: Also shut out for you actually doing a conspiracy theory

810
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: that your mom told you. My mom's the case. My

811
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: mom did tell me this. My mom is also a

812
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: woman who thinks everyone's gay. My mom is totally on

813
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: some like. My mom's got a little more diamond and

814
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: silk to it than I'd like to admit.

815
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: I can say that I think about say there's a.

816
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: Mom my mom thinks Jimmy Butler gay. Now my mom

817
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: thinks Patrick Mahomes is gay because of his voice this.

818
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: Now my mom thinks having sex with white women is gay.

819
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: That's what I say.

820
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: I think. I think, if we're really unpacking this ship,

821
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: every black mother in the world thinks that having sex

822
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 3: with a white woman is like a gateway dro.

823
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 4: To be and will being.

824
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: You literally destroyed Bory he's not even cable woman anymore.

825
00:46:51,200 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: This nigga's done. No man, Oh my god.

826
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: As far as humor goes, that's oh man, I'm sorry.

827
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: The uh or was that where we were? Oh no?

828
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

829
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: So it's weird that he sort of is making these

830
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: comparisons of Thief and all that other ship. It also

831
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: bumped me a little bit that he sort of is

832
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: like trying to squeeze in this I've walked in your

833
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: shoes ship where it's like, I don't know, big dog,

834
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: I don't think you get to be like I've walked

835
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: in your shoes.

836
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 4: While and be like, but yeah, I am gay too. Though.

837
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when people trying to be like so

838
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: I felt a little bit of racism and it's like, yeah, it's.

839
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: Like, maybe chill, big dog. I don't think. I don't

840
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: think y'all are bonded, especially with the way you've been

841
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: reacting to it.

842
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: Right, Okay.

843
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Also, they settled all six members own a piece of

844
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: the name, but it started with Johnny and Ralph. Johnny

845
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: and Ralph got it trademarked.

846
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is is it actually makes sense

847
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: and this is actually, I think a pretty fucked up

848
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: thing about the way the music industry works. But you know,

849
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: like any band is only technically owned by the lead

850
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: singer of that band, So like like Destiny's Child cannot

851
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: exist without Beyonce, like.

852
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 4: For a multitude reason.

853
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: Sure, but like they literally can't even like pretend to

854
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: exist without that person because they own the rights to

855
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: that thing. Like fucking you know, Maroon five, Adam Levine

856
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: got to go do He's the only one that's actually

857
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: signed on the contract, so he can go do a

858
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 3: solo thing, but his other bandmates cannot until they get

859
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: permission or like essentially get a new contract for themselves essentially.

860
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: Damn, that's crazy.

861
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: I know it's fucked up.

862
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: It doesn't work that.

863
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: Way in the podcast world, though, y'all me and want

864
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: to say it now.

865
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 4: So if I disappear, you know what happens.

866
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, my lawyers are working pretty hard to get those

867
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: numbers changed.

868
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: But we are fifty fifty to Johnny kill me.

869
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 3: Hey, but not in a multitude of ways.

870
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, just the one. Yeah, not the way that

871
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: could be confused with love or not. I could have love.

872
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 3: So the wildest quote that I think that I'm excited

873
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: to hear both of your reactions on. At one point,

874
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: Johnny says, I'm going to tell you guys something off

875
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: the record that I know my girlfriend probably won't be

876
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: happy with me for saying this, which, first of all.

877
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: Brother, you're already dangerous. Yeah, why why is this? How

878
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: that you stated that?

879
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: And it's it's not off the record, Johnny, You're in

880
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: a video interview. This is it, this is it. There's

881
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: a video.

882
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: Oh god, damn it. What are you thinking? Man?

883
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: It's not he ain't thinking it through. I'll tell you that.

884
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 3: But but he goes on to say, but I'm going

885
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: to say it. When we first got together, we've been

886
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: together for five years, there were so there was so

887
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: much stuff floating around. Why are you dating this guy?

888
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: He's gay, blah blah blah, Eddie Murphy, all this stuff

889
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: is going on, And I'm like, do you believe it?

890
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: She says no, I just hear everybody just keep saying.

891
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: And I said, let me tell you something. Here's what

892
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna do. Woke up, we got we got the

893
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: Yellow Pages, and you know, I mean that was five

894
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: years ago. So we called this guy. He brought out

895
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: his machine, strapped down to a lie detective I wrote

896
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: down questions I made I made her write down questions.

897
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: When the guy called back with the results and we

898
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: both laying there in bed, tears came down. I would

899
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: never want to lay next to someone that might even

900
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: remotely have any doubt or question of who I am.

901
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: It's just that you might be gay. You killed somebody.

902
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: This is that's and also not a true story.

903
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 3: It's not a true story.

904
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: What it is. We both wrote down questions. So the

905
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: detective dudes like, Johnny Gill, are you gay?

906
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 4: Okay? Johnny Gill's girlfriend, do you think he's gay? He's

907
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: the only two questions.

908
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: I don't understand what this questions could have been. It's like,

909
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: are you gay? But are you for real?

910
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: Now gay?

911
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: All right, here's your question, Johnny. Here's your first question.

912
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: Have you had sexual intercourse with Eddie Murphy?

913
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: Okay? Johnny Gill's girlfriend, here's your first question. Is your

914
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: favorite color red?

915
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: You was lying.

916
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: It's your favorite color? Actually, Johnny Gill, chocolate. Because there's

917
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: a part of me that feels like you was just

918
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: gassing me up.

919
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 4: Girl. Man, some one sided light detectory, Like, what.

920
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 3: Are you talking about? Man? You got a lie detector

921
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: to come to your house and you wrote the questions.

922
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: This is crazy. I'm so glad crazy it is twenty

923
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: twenty four. I just feel like we could the opposite

924
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: of the Brummers. We could actually get this off.

925
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: Brother.

926
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: If this was nineteen ninety five, we would get kicked

927
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: out of town. Oh, they make us leave the country.

928
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: That's true.

929
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 3: We would never work with anybody ever again. I think

930
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: that time.

931
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: I think I feel like we might have some listeners

932
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 2: of a certain age who are not going to take

933
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: wealth to this.

934
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair that this does feel like we're punching

935
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: down at whack was struggling with their sexuality. Blah blah blah. Yeah,

936
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

937
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: Maybe No, I don't have the answer.

938
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be better. I work harder every day

939
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 3: to figure this out.

940
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: I want to be good.

941
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: I want to be a better guy. And if you

942
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: have an explanation, or rather a suggestion for where we

943
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 3: can improve, we accept that that option. But for now,

944
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: we three thirty six year old men laughing at uh

945
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 3: at our heroes having secret affairs with each other.

946
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 4: Only one of these men is my hero.

947
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: Look, you've been a Johnny Gill guy from the beginning

948
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: of the podcast. I always like Eddie Murphy, but you

949
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: were like, no, Johnny, that's the talent.

950
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: That's the talent.

951
00:53:51,800 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I don't, can I say ultimately to round

952
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: this all out, it's just fun to talk about.

953
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 4: Truthfully, if they were fucking I really don't care.

954
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 3: No, it wouldn't bother me at all.

955
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 4: I did. I do change nothing about anything that they've

956
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 4: ever done.

957
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 3: I do think that was the feeling I had more

958
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: when I was reading all these quotes and interactions between

959
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: the two of them, is like, it made me sad

960
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: that this is the game that a fifty year old

961
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: man has to play, right, more than it makes me

962
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: grossed out or curious, you know what I mean? Like,

963
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 3: I truly don't give a fuck. I just wish that

964
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: Johnny Gill and Eddie Murphy respectively could be whatever version

965
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: of sexually fluid they've always been, and maybe it's, you know,

966
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: truly bisexual. Maybe there's some other game, rich people game

967
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 3: inside of it that I don't get. But go be free, bro,

968
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: don't keep being all bottled up and shit.

969
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

970
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: The truth to this is we don't know shit about

971
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: what any of these dudes did, but we do know

972
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: that there has been a sexual awakening in the streets

973
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: as of late, and you can't act like, oh so

974
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: everybody just everybody just got non binary this year, Like nah,

975
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of niggas in the eighties got to just

976
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: keep that shit to themselves.

977
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 4: They didn't even know they were just like nah, No,

978
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: I just watched Gordon Girls.

979
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm just a blanche. I'm not he Yeah,

980
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: I'm a blanch.

981
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

982
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: I think that, to me is the shame of why

983
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy's come back, even if he doesn't if he

984
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: doesn't ever come back, which I suspect he never will,

985
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 3: but even if he does come back, I think that's

986
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: gonna be the only thing that truly could satisfy this

987
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: distance in his career right as a stand up is like,

988
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: come on, man, just talk about it. I truly just

989
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: want to hear you say it out loud, all the

990
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 3: things that we've always wanted to know. But if you

991
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: just come back with jokes about like how the president

992
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: walks or whatever the fuck it is, I don't need

993
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: that ship, man, keep it.

994
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: I also worry that that's why there will never be

995
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: an Eddie Murphy stand up or come back because like,

996
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: even at his height, I don't think he was that

997
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He was never like a

998
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: prior style. Yeah, so I think that that would be

999
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He was like I got

1000
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: some eye cream, like that was what the bits were.

1001
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: So I don't think that there's as much of a

1002
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: space for that. And I think he's smart. Why would

1003
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: you want to come back to this? You think I'm

1004
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 2: going to keep doing this when I get rich?

1005
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: Ye? Wait to leave this behind? Yeah?

1006
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 3: I agree. I I wouldn't come back. I'd stay. My

1007
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 3: boy makes reggae music sometimes.

1008
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to be sixty eating chicken tenders regularly

1009
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: at a comedy club.

1010
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 4: That's insane. Damn. Maybe at the crib, not at the club.

1011
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: So it seems like and and well, I'll hit you

1012
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: guys with one more piece of research and we'll wrap

1013
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: this up. But there is an article that I found

1014
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 3: that I dare it's tough to even call it an

1015
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 3: article at this point, but it's something what's the name

1016
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: of this, oh, live journal? This is from two thousand

1017
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: and five, back when live journals, I guess, thank goodness,

1018
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: but I found this quote unquote article where Johnny Gill's

1019
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: unnamed girlfriend of the time, who he had just split

1020
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 3: up with sort of like comes forward to basically say

1021
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: that the ending of their relationship was the result of

1022
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: his down low lifestyle, that she had spent years with him.

1023
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: He was on the down low, and the article claims

1024
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: that Johnny was sleeping at Eddie's house on a near

1025
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: nightly basis, and also suggests that Tevin Campbell, Sugar Ray Leonard,

1026
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: Tyler Perry, and Shamar Moore are also involved. And they

1027
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: tried to recruit Mike Tyson. But it wasn't his scene,

1028
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 3: is what they say.

1029
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: This is where, and I know we got it. Wrap

1030
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: this up soon. I'm just saying, of course it wasn't his.

1031
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: That's where this whole thing. I believed it until she said,

1032
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, this is not true.

1033
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: I was like, which one of these brave niggas was

1034
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: going to walk up to Mike Tyson?

1035
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 4: Can't be like.

1036
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 3: I okay, okay. I wanted to make fun of it,

1037
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: but you're not wrong if there was the bravest man,

1038
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: because Sugar Ray Leonard knows that he knows boxing too

1039
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: well to know he's not doing that with Mike Tyson.

1040
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 3: He's in his fucking prime. You're not taking that risk.

1041
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: Shamar Moore is such a psychopath.

1042
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: He has an unbridled confidence.

1043
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: That that he would do it, and I bet he

1044
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: was so gorgeous at the time that fucking Mike Tyson

1045
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: was like, I'm not gonna hit this nigga, But nah,

1046
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: it ain't my saying, Shamal mooris stay away from.

1047
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: Me, respectfully. I'm not going to do to your face

1048
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: what I need to do. What I want to do

1049
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: to your face.

1050
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: Is that's your money, and you deserve your money, and

1051
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: you look good as Jamal and Moore. But I'll beat

1052
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: your ass if you ever do that again.

1053
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 4: Well, I think we did.

1054
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: I do think we did it. I think it seems

1055
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: like none of us really feel solid in this conspiracy theory,

1056
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 3: but we do feel solid that Eddie Murphy and Johnny

1057
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: Gill deserve whatever love that they want or are having,

1058
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 3: and frankly, they should spend a little bit more time

1059
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: just being open with themselves rather than repressing it and

1060
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: pretending like this is some poisonous fate cursed upon them.

1061
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 4: I think I agree with that.

1062
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, just rewatch on it, Mansion, and you tell

1063
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: me what you think when you rewatch it. If you

1064
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: tell me what Eddie's trying to tell us, that's all

1065
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1066
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, go watch a thousand words, Jamelle.

1067
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 3: You want to tell the people where they can find

1068
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: you and what cool shit you have going on.

1069
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: You can find me at Broccoli House on Instagram. That's

1070
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of the main non off. A comic on Twitter,

1071
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: still over there getting It and several shows. It's the

1072
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: air Buds at Airbuds Podcast for basketball things, the Brand

1073
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 1: and Jamail Show for just general pop culture, and Little

1074
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: Football Show Coach Sar we love football as well.

1075
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 4: That's me. Hell yeah, thank you boys.

1076
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: Go listen to every podcast Jamail has follow him on

1077
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: all the socials, Bory what you Got.

1078
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: Cool guy joke Saty seven on Instagram. Tour is over, baby,

1079
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: so I'm just download playing the next one, you know

1080
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: what I mean?

1081
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1082
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm rubbing. I'm headlining Comedy Work Denver Comedy Works November twelfth,

1083
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: and I have a little bit of extra merge from

1084
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: the tour, so I might put that online here in

1085
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, So watch for that. If you

1086
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: wanted to support and buy a T shirt or something

1087
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: like that. But other than that, yeah, just check the Instagram.

1088
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm around hell Yeah.

1089
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: November tenth and eleventh, you can see me at the

1090
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: Vermont Comedy Club in Bloomington, uh. And then November seventeenth

1091
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: and eighteenth you can see me at Hyenas in Dallas, Texas.

1092
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: And as always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman.

1093
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: And if you want to send us your own drops,

1094
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: your own conspiracy theories, if you want to tell me

1095
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 3: who else was in those orgies that was brave enough

1096
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: to talk to Mike Tyson, send it all to my

1097
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: Mama pod at gmail dot com and subscribe, like do

1098
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: all the shit that you're supposed to do on all

1099
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: the social media stuff to support the podcast. And that's

1100
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: the whole thing. By bitch, the government babies my chips

1101
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: in your namies. All Kuala bears.

1102
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: Are racist, the hostal layer hosting money, Mars Turney stuff.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell me, Governor