Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon, and this week we have a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer Julie Ankster, one of my favorite people in all
Speaker 1: of golf, talk some Solheim Cup a couple of months
Speaker 1: after talk about her golf game and just open to
Speaker 1: some issues. It was. It was a lot of fun
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Speaker 1: Let's get to Julie Inkster and we welcome back into
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. It's been a while, Julie Inkster, the Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer of course, Uh, a busy year. I was
Speaker 1: thinking you are part of the announcing team with us
Speaker 1: at Fox. You still play in a I'd say, I
Speaker 1: don't know half a dozen dozen of events. You had
Speaker 1: a Solheim Cup captaincy this season. Are you finally getting
Speaker 1: to kind of relax and chill. Yeah, it's actually been.
Speaker 1: It's been very nice. Um you know, I'm not playing
Speaker 1: much right now and Solheim done. Um it Fox, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to find things to do during the
Speaker 1: day when when you're I mean, you did that, you
Speaker 1: were a captain for the Solheim Cup three times. And
Speaker 1: I was around you early in the summer midsummer and
Speaker 1: then as you got closer and closer to having to
Speaker 1: make picks. How much time a week when it's a
Speaker 1: Solheim Cup year are you spending just doing stuff, researching,
Speaker 1: looking at how you know people are playing, having to
Speaker 1: do interviews and conference calls. How busy are you? Well, UM,
Speaker 1: the year after the Solheim you're not too busy. You
Speaker 1: do uniforms and and stuff like that. But UM, leading
Speaker 1: up to the Solheim every day you're kind of checking
Speaker 1: in with UM. I have a main guy named Dave
Speaker 1: Dennis Begett who works for the LPGA and he runs
Speaker 1: the Soulheim So he and are constantly UM talking each day.
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's UM, you know, UM lunch menus daniem,
Speaker 1: dinner menus, UM you know what time do you guys
Speaker 1: want to have lunch? UM? Practice schedule? Do you guys
Speaker 1: want to go first? You want to go second, off
Speaker 1: the front, off the back. Just this constant stuff that
Speaker 1: UM behind the scenes that no one really looks at.
Speaker 1: And we go over a year before and do like
Speaker 1: a site check. Uh, so you know you check out
Speaker 1: the golf course. You check out the locker rooms. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, are we staying on campus? Um? Or are
Speaker 1: we staying off site? Uh So stuff like that. Logistics,
Speaker 1: you know, buses, cars, so stuff like that. But it's
Speaker 1: it's all fun. I mean, it's really like I call
Speaker 1: it like planning a wedding, Like six months out you
Speaker 1: have to do this, you know, five monthsality you have
Speaker 1: to do that. So um and being my third time
Speaker 1: and I kind of knew what to expect. Well, we're
Speaker 1: a couple of months removed from it. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: I know you would have liked the finale to finish
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. But when you look back at
Speaker 1: it as a golfer, as a golf fan, as a
Speaker 1: fan of women's golf, as someone that has competed and
Speaker 1: obviously captained in Solheim Cuffs in the past, it has
Speaker 1: to be one of the most exciting finishes, not just
Speaker 1: in Solon Cup history, but in golf history. I mean,
Speaker 1: to have a putt. I think the put that Suzanne made.
Speaker 1: I feel like people don't totally understand that it was
Speaker 1: a make and you win, missing you lose put. I mean,
Speaker 1: there wasn't any in between ground and for that to
Speaker 1: kind of conclude the Solheim Cup. I mean again, I
Speaker 1: know you wanted the USA to walk away with a trophy,
Speaker 1: but it was an unbelievable event, especially late in that Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no regrets. I mean my team played the
Speaker 1: heart out, um, you know, and for Suzanne it was
Speaker 1: it was you know, she makes they win to she
Speaker 1: misses they lose. And you know, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: with um, the Ryder Cup of the Solheim Cup. It's
Speaker 1: not about the money. I mean, okay, you make you
Speaker 1: win the tournament, and she celebrates. I mean you saw
Speaker 1: when she made it that put. Um, how everybody celebrates.
Speaker 1: It's a team event and that's what's what to special
Speaker 1: about the Solheim Cup and the Ryder Cup is you know,
Speaker 1: you're not playing for yourself, You're playing for the US
Speaker 1: and next to you. And yes, I mean we I
Speaker 1: would have loved to win, but um, I have no regrets.
Speaker 1: My team played their heart out. I mean we had
Speaker 1: six rookies and three first time players that were playing
Speaker 1: overseas for the first time in Solheim Cup. I thought
Speaker 1: they played great, um, And it was great for women's golf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was so exciting it, and you obviously
Speaker 1: are are so focused on certain matches. You're driving around,
Speaker 1: you're bouncing between certain people, you're talking, you know, you're
Speaker 1: motivating certain players that need it. Maybe you're you're just
Speaker 1: kind of talking to other players that might need it.
Speaker 1: During the matches. As someone that was watching, you know,
Speaker 1: simply on my couch, there was a moment that just
Speaker 1: kind of flipped and it was really really late where
Speaker 1: I was I was thinking, you know, USA has got this,
Speaker 1: USA has got this, USA has got this, and there
Speaker 1: was just this quick moment where I went, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you know, Europe might actually win this. Did you have
Speaker 1: something similar out on the golf course. Was there a
Speaker 1: field that the momentum was kind of changing or was
Speaker 1: it just a couple of matches late flipped? Yeah, a
Speaker 1: couple of in the matches late, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was close, um pretty much
Speaker 1: all day. You know, there was a couple of matches
Speaker 1: that we're going to go US USA way, no no doubt.
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of matches that were gonna go
Speaker 1: Yeurope's way, no doubt. So it was those in between
Speaker 1: matches that were just close all the time, and it
Speaker 1: was kind of Fronte Law and Alan McDonald's match that
Speaker 1: really flipped. Um. I think on the fifteenth hole she
Speaker 1: left in the bunker. Um, Fronte Law left in the
Speaker 1: bunker and then ended up getting it up and down
Speaker 1: making like a ten footer for bogey to tie Alley
Speaker 1: and then she blready sixteen and that kind of flipped there. Um.
Speaker 1: The um Susanne Petterson match was always close, back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth. So and and the thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows this. As a captain, I'm
Speaker 1: the only one that can give advice. So um, someone
Speaker 1: can call in and say, hey, can you come out
Speaker 1: and talk to ANGELI in or hey, and I could
Speaker 1: be this golf course was so spread out. I could
Speaker 1: be on the front side and take me fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: to get over on the other side. So um it
Speaker 1: was there was a lot of logistic problems, but uh, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it slipped quick. But in match play, as you know,
Speaker 1: it can flip. Yeah. I mean we we we get
Speaker 1: a chance to cover you know, these amateur events together
Speaker 1: throughout the summer, and I mean that that happens all
Speaker 1: the time, and when we see it from the broadcast booth.
Speaker 1: You obviously, as you're saying, see it as a captain,
Speaker 1: you're one of the more competitive people I've ever met.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say. When you're in the
Speaker 1: golf cart and you're watching these things, I mean, I
Speaker 1: can only imagine you're itching to be out there playing
Speaker 1: or wanting to hit a put. I mean, how hard
Speaker 1: is that three years into being a captain, three captaincy
Speaker 1: is in. When you're in this position, how hard is
Speaker 1: it to kind of keep your emotions in check? Considering again,
Speaker 1: how how fire you've always been out on the golf course.
Speaker 1: It's hard. I mean it's hard. Um. You know, as
Speaker 1: you know, golf is a really tough game, and you
Speaker 1: put the pressure of being on the Solheim or the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup or whatever it is, and it's intensified. And
Speaker 1: I've been there and I know how tough it is, um.
Speaker 1: But you know, watching um players, whether it be the
Speaker 1: European team or the American team, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: depends on the right and there's no way you can
Speaker 1: miss it right. It's shortside yourself, and they miss it
Speaker 1: right and you're like, oh my gosh, you just hit
Speaker 1: the middle of the Green, you know, so stuff like that,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I know, I believe me, I
Speaker 1: know how tough it is, and so I would never ever, um,
Speaker 1: you know, get down on anybody, whether you know they
Speaker 1: had a good day or a bad day. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just there trying to moral support and
Speaker 1: and really my job is to make it a fun week.
Speaker 1: And I think, um, we had probably the best loser
Speaker 1: party ever that we've had. Um, I mean it was epic.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, having six rookies on the team,
Speaker 1: they go okay, I can't even imagine if we won
Speaker 1: what it was like. So, um, they have good memories
Speaker 1: and that's what it's about. Yeah, I mean you you,
Speaker 1: you and I talked a lot about just the the
Speaker 1: youth of this American team, and as you were going
Speaker 1: into it, you were kind of eyeballing some of the
Speaker 1: veterans that we're having good weeks or maybe we're trending
Speaker 1: possibly in the direction of making the Solheim Cup team.
Speaker 1: When you have all these young players, I mean, are
Speaker 1: you talking to other people in other sports that have
Speaker 1: dealt with, you know, youthful programs before youthful organizations, or
Speaker 1: you're talking to other captains that have worked in the
Speaker 1: similar positions before, trying to find ways to make these
Speaker 1: people as comfortable as possible because you know you're there
Speaker 1: on the first team. I mean, Brad Faxton tells a
Speaker 1: great story at the Walker Cup where his partner couldn't
Speaker 1: even pull the trigger on the first tea and his
Speaker 1: first ever Walker Cup team and Brad dad hit the
Speaker 1: tea shot. I mean, it is a different type of pressure,
Speaker 1: way different than a major championship or trying to win
Speaker 1: an event for yourself. Well and Shane, everybody handles it different.
Speaker 1: You know. Some people say like a Daniel King, I
Speaker 1: mean they reliship and they they want to be on
Speaker 1: the first tea. Um, they want to be hitting the shot. Um.
Speaker 1: And then you know, everybody's personality is different. Everybody handles
Speaker 1: it different. But I can kind of see what's in
Speaker 1: their eyes, you know, if if they need a little
Speaker 1: pep talk, and really, I mean you can tell them
Speaker 1: what is going to happen, but until they experience it,
Speaker 1: until they go through it, um, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: you don't really know what to expect. I mean, had
Speaker 1: a really good conversation with Marine Alex, who I thought
Speaker 1: I played great all week. M she was kind of
Speaker 1: just under the radar but very consistent. Um. I played
Speaker 1: her with more compressive for a couple of alternate shots. UM.
Speaker 1: And we were having breakfast and and uh, she goes, she's, UM,
Speaker 1: this this golf is so much harder than individual golf.
Speaker 1: And I said it is. I said, but you realize
Speaker 1: how much more you have in yourself when you play
Speaker 1: in something like this, and how you can go to
Speaker 1: the next level. And she goes, You're right, She says,
Speaker 1: I never knew that I could play like this, um,
Speaker 1: under this much pressure. And you do. You learn a
Speaker 1: ton about yourself, whether it's you know, good or bad.
Speaker 1: And um, that's what the Fulham Cup brings out in players. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and every time the soul Him Cup happens, I
Speaker 1: feel like the l P g A and women's golf
Speaker 1: gets a big boost and it's exciting. It's a must watch.
Speaker 1: If you like any sort of sport, you know, competitiveness
Speaker 1: in any regard, you've got to watch it. What could
Speaker 1: the LPG do, What could women's golf do to kind
Speaker 1: of piggyback off of Solheim Cup so that they kind
Speaker 1: of ride that momentum Wave for a couple of months
Speaker 1: for you know, basically into the into the next season.
Speaker 1: Is there something they could do to kind of attach
Speaker 1: themselves to the Solheim Cup and how many eyeballs are
Speaker 1: on it to help push the tour a little bit more. Well,
Speaker 1: the problem is it's like, you know, we have the
Speaker 1: Solheim Cup and then I think they had a couple
Speaker 1: of domestic and now they're over in Aga for four months,
Speaker 1: four weeks, so they kind of lose a little momentum
Speaker 1: on that, you know, especially being at the end of
Speaker 1: the year. But um, I I really don't know. I
Speaker 1: I think we're you know, we're a global tour and um,
Speaker 1: you know, over and Malaysia and Korea and Taiwan and Japan,
Speaker 1: women's golf is huge. I mean the crowds they all
Speaker 1: over there is unbelievable. Um and you know over here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but you know, women's sports
Speaker 1: is not valued like it is over in other countries.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not only just golf, it's you know, basketball,
Speaker 1: it's um, you know, um hockey, it's you know other
Speaker 1: sports that women play college sports all the way up
Speaker 1: and then they get done and they got nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: So um, it's it's a slow processing, but I think
Speaker 1: it's getting better, especially with the women's initiatives that are
Speaker 1: coming out right now. Well, I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: for your memory. I know you've got a lot of them,
Speaker 1: but you've captained three teams and you also said you're
Speaker 1: done what you said after Iowa, by the way, but
Speaker 1: I actually believe you this time and say you're not
Speaker 1: doing You're not doing this again. But is there a
Speaker 1: memory that sticks out? I mean, you played in so
Speaker 1: many Solheim Cups, and I always know how important that
Speaker 1: that part of the competition was for you. You're a
Speaker 1: captain three times, you went twice, you lose in this epic,
Speaker 1: epic finale across the pond. Is there a memory that
Speaker 1: sticks out to you that you'll always carry with you
Speaker 1: as a captain of Team USA, that you'll never forget. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the dinners at night are the things that
Speaker 1: I will treasure. You know, a player standing up and talking.
Speaker 1: I think probably one of the best times is my
Speaker 1: first one over in Germany with Angelo Stanford and Christie
Speaker 1: kerr Um. They weren't best of friends, um, two completely
Speaker 1: different personalities, but they they really kind of bonded that
Speaker 1: week and and really kind of sorted out why, um,
Speaker 1: why they've never really got along, and they finally understood
Speaker 1: that they're just different personalities handle things different ways. And
Speaker 1: Christie Kerr every day on the bus would get up
Speaker 1: and read a quote from somebody and Angela was then
Speaker 1: interpret the quote and it was it was pretty cool
Speaker 1: to see two gals that really never got along, um
Speaker 1: really uh learn to respect each other and respect um
Speaker 1: how they go about different things. And that's something I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. I I can only imagine two months after
Speaker 1: this Solheim Cup wrapping up that you've probably had time
Speaker 1: to kind of look into yourself at this point in
Speaker 1: your career, because I mean, as I said, you were
Speaker 1: an unbelievable Solen Cup player. What was your record as
Speaker 1: an individual? Were you twelve and one? I don't know
Speaker 1: it was good? Yeah, I only lost one to know that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how. I think I was eight
Speaker 1: and one, eight one, seven one and one A tyed
Speaker 1: Laura Davis seven one one. So you know, you you
Speaker 1: play in so many, you're a captain three times. You
Speaker 1: kind of got a chance to see it all. Is
Speaker 1: this going to be something that four or five years
Speaker 1: from now that you're really really gonna miss or is
Speaker 1: this something you think you'll always be you know, I
Speaker 1: mean you know, if Captain's call you, or they need
Speaker 1: advice or they want to help, you'll always kind of
Speaker 1: be there to help out. No, it's something I'm gonna
Speaker 1: miss definitely. Um, you know, I would definitely do it.
Speaker 1: I do it for the next you know whatever Solheims.
Speaker 1: But it's such a great experience that other people should
Speaker 1: be able to experience it. And um, you know I've
Speaker 1: kind of I've done it, and I think the Solheims
Speaker 1: had a great place right now. And you know there's
Speaker 1: there are the Christie you know, the path Hurst, the
Speaker 1: Christie Kerr's, the Angelo Stanford's, Paula and Morrigan that are
Speaker 1: are really in line now, you know, Michelle, we that
Speaker 1: are in line to kind of do this now. And
Speaker 1: there was kind of a gap where you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know Christie and Angela were playing and it wasn't
Speaker 1: really anybody that was next in line. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why, um they gave me an opportunity to do it. So, UM,
Speaker 1: I am gonna miss it, but I am also um
Speaker 1: always going to be a big part of sohim. I mean,
Speaker 1: I won't miss one. I'll be over there. Um and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully they'll let me be a helper and
Speaker 1: I can walk in the roads and uh watch a mattitude.
Speaker 1: But uh, it's a big part of my life and
Speaker 1: and it's something I'm proud of and and um, I'm
Speaker 1: I've always been a team um kind of player. I
Speaker 1: I grew up playing team sports, and um, it's kind
Speaker 1: of funny I play an individual sports because I love
Speaker 1: team sports so much. But uh, um, it's yeah, it
Speaker 1: will definitely always be a big part of my my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like you're I always say there's
Speaker 1: two types of pros, you know, people that that have
Speaker 1: played professional golf for decades. You know, there's the player
Speaker 1: that had it. It was their job, it was what
Speaker 1: they did, and once they're kind of done with it,
Speaker 1: they don't part ways, but they're not passionate about playing still.
Speaker 1: And then there's the people like you who still play
Speaker 1: and still grind and still look for the answer in
Speaker 1: the secret to golf. And when I'm with you throughout
Speaker 1: the summer, I mean, you're out there before the broadcast
Speaker 1: with Brad Faxton on the putting green, going over stuff.
Speaker 1: You're always hitting range balls. You're I would say, you
Speaker 1: kind of define what a golfer is because you've obviously
Speaker 1: got the pedigree in the resume to back it up.
Speaker 1: But you're always searching, still at this point in your career,
Speaker 1: to perfect your craft in your game, and and you're
Speaker 1: still competing, You're still playing a lot of events. It's
Speaker 1: it's still something that you do day to day. I
Speaker 1: I I am so weird and I love the game golf,
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's weird. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of people, like you said, once they get done, they're dead,
Speaker 1: they hit their last ball. They don't want to play,
Speaker 1: they don't want to compete. I love playing. I just
Speaker 1: you know, it's weird. But I'll play with anybody as
Speaker 1: long as they're fun. They have to be fun and
Speaker 1: they like have to be able to banter. But you're right,
Speaker 1: I like tinkering. I liked um. I think that um
Speaker 1: the solidarity of just being on a range by yourself,
Speaker 1: listen to some music. I mean really, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a pretty cool office. And UM, I have no I
Speaker 1: mean I look forward to getting up and going out
Speaker 1: and hit ball. Yeah, it's it's fun too. It's fun.
Speaker 1: I I brag about our Fox Golf team a lot
Speaker 1: because we have a group that really does enjoy each other,
Speaker 1: and we enjoy not just on air and working and
Speaker 1: preparing and getting set for the week, but you know,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of fun off air. I mean,
Speaker 1: we go play golf a lot together. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've always served is that
Speaker 1: everybody that we work with is in the second category.
Speaker 1: I mean, Brett Quigley and Brad Factson and yourself and
Speaker 1: our boss. I mean, there's so many people that we
Speaker 1: work with that they are a part of golf because
Speaker 1: it's a part of their job. But they absolutely will
Speaker 1: go play any golf course anywhere with anybody, and they
Speaker 1: don't and it doesn't it doesn't matter. I mean, if
Speaker 1: there's daylight to be had, we're gonna go out and
Speaker 1: find nine holes to play. And you and I had
Speaker 1: a great experience this summer. We played sand Valley up
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin after a broadcast one day of the US Girls,
Speaker 1: and we carried our own bags and we kind of
Speaker 1: played like makeshift to nine holes and we got done
Speaker 1: and had dinner and we were all saying, you know, this,
Speaker 1: this is what golf is. I mean, it's it's wonderful
Speaker 1: to be playing between ropes and playing for cash. But
Speaker 1: it felt a little bit like golf when we were kids,
Speaker 1: it did, I think Brett quickly and I bought dinner
Speaker 1: that night. But um, yeah, I think we're there as
Speaker 1: the losers, but it isn't in know, you look at
Speaker 1: our crew. Um, we all like the banter. And you
Speaker 1: know we we banter, you know when we're off there,
Speaker 1: and we banter when really when we're on there too.
Speaker 1: But uh, and that's what makes it fun. And we
Speaker 1: all we do, we all love the game. And I
Speaker 1: think we're all very um happy and and and fortunate
Speaker 1: that this game is in our lives because I can
Speaker 1: see the passion that we all have for you know.
Speaker 1: And as Brett Quickly, you know, he just turned fifty
Speaker 1: and and you know, I'm I know, we're all wishing
Speaker 1: him luck so he gets back out on that senior
Speaker 1: tour because he's got a lot of game left and
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him compete out there. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: had dinner last night with with Steve Flesh and his wife,
Speaker 1: and you know, Steve works with us a little bit.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's playing a lot on the Champions Tour. And
Speaker 1: I said, you know, did you have a fun year
Speaker 1: if you enjoyed the season? He was kind of battling
Speaker 1: an injury last year, and he's like, I absolutely love playing.
Speaker 1: And he said, I I go home for two weeks
Speaker 1: and I get stir crazy and I get antsy, and
Speaker 1: I want to be out there and I want to
Speaker 1: go out and compete again. And uh. And it's it's
Speaker 1: to this whole passion of the game and love of playing,
Speaker 1: and it's, uh, it's fun that it's still great for
Speaker 1: people like you and Steve Flash, that you still are
Speaker 1: excited about it and you want to get out there
Speaker 1: and play because you know you've been doing it for
Speaker 1: you know, twenty thirty years, and and you're gonna keep
Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, you've got tournaments next year you're
Speaker 1: gonna play in. Well, I think also, um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a ste Flash or Brett Quickly. I know,
Speaker 1: Brett Let's hurt a lot. But you get to a
Speaker 1: point where really you can't compete with the younger players,
Speaker 1: and um, and you burned out. And you've been playing
Speaker 1: golf since college, and you know, full time dadada, and
Speaker 1: you get to a point where I'm over it, and
Speaker 1: then you know, you wait a couple of years, and
Speaker 1: then I think when you get to be fifty or
Speaker 1: forty nine, fifty one, you really appreciate, um, what you
Speaker 1: had and being able to play on a professional level
Speaker 1: and and and then giving an opportunity to compete again,
Speaker 1: um with your peers that you played in college golf
Speaker 1: with and then you played on the tour, and I
Speaker 1: think you get to a point where you appreciate what
Speaker 1: you have instead of boy, I have to go out
Speaker 1: and play again, or I have to travel here, and
Speaker 1: I want to be home with the kids and Dada.
Speaker 1: And now your kids are grown and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they're off of college and um, and then you have
Speaker 1: the second life and the second win where you appreciate, um,
Speaker 1: what you have and being able to compete and and play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean on the flip side of of that is
Speaker 1: these young players that are basically deciding on when they're
Speaker 1: going to turn professional. I mean, we follow a lot
Speaker 1: of the young amateur players. Lucy Lee announcing this week
Speaker 1: she's going to turn professional. That's somebody we have watched
Speaker 1: a lot I mean it feels like she's forty years
Speaker 1: old and she's a teenagers still. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure, Julie, on these young players. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so much pressure to turn professional. I mean, Michelle, we
Speaker 1: you know, turns pro really really young, and we've seen
Speaker 1: players kind of follow in her footsteps. How much pressure
Speaker 1: on some of these young players that have early success
Speaker 1: in the amateur basically in the amateur world, and they
Speaker 1: play well, maybe in the US Women's Open, or they
Speaker 1: have some success in smell PG events, how much pressure
Speaker 1: is on them to turn professional quickly and get out
Speaker 1: there and start competing. Well, there's I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's pressure. I think it's, um, the opportunities there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, Luke, Lucy's been, as you said, competing.
Speaker 1: You know, we are at twelve at the US Open
Speaker 1: at Pinehurst. Um. I think I think, UM, a lot
Speaker 1: of it is expectations on these kids. Um. The g
Speaker 1: A right now is staffed with great young players that
Speaker 1: are really good. I mean, there is a huge difference
Speaker 1: to be playing college golf and playing professional golf. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, you can be a great collegiate golfer, but
Speaker 1: the next level up is completely different. Uh. They're they're good,
Speaker 1: They're they're very um, long and athletic. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at someone like a Nelly Korda who's twenty
Speaker 1: and uh, she's the highest ranked American right now. Um,
Speaker 1: but she's got pedigree and she's tall and long and lengthy.
Speaker 1: And as you know, in the men's game, it's gotten
Speaker 1: to be a bomber's game. I mean you just look
Speaker 1: at the the money list and who's on top. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't see anybody that is average off the tea.
Speaker 1: They're all bombers. And it's the same way on our
Speaker 1: our tour. And that's where I think a lot of
Speaker 1: these UM players coming out is they're just not physically
Speaker 1: developed yet. And I think the problem is if they
Speaker 1: do start out and struggle a little bit, how they
Speaker 1: handle that. Take a quick break in our conversation with
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Speaker 1: to Julie, Yeah, I mean it's it's easy to play
Speaker 1: for a year and you know, not have a top
Speaker 1: ten or not have a top twenty and think to yourself,
Speaker 1: am I good enough to do this? And I mean
Speaker 1: I can only imagine that when you're bouncing between Summetra
Speaker 1: and the LPGA Tour, back and forth and back and forth,
Speaker 1: and you're seeing the successes of somebody, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: that's twenty years of age, that's one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the world. I mean, it can be discouraging.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the scary part for me as a
Speaker 1: fan of some of these people, is you know, when
Speaker 1: you go when you turn pro, there's no real turning back.
Speaker 1: I mean you're not gonna flow back and be an
Speaker 1: amateur and go you know, actually, I am going to
Speaker 1: go to college for two or three years. You know,
Speaker 1: when when you turn pro, like ax Shay or Lucy Lee,
Speaker 1: you're now doing this for a living. And there are
Speaker 1: times where it is a grind and it is grueling,
Speaker 1: and you're on the road and your game's not there,
Speaker 1: and I mean it can feel overwhelming. And to your point,
Speaker 1: the LPGA tour has gotten you know, so polished that
Speaker 1: if you're not absolutely on the top of your game,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not even gonna sniff week to week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's and that's where you know you're out
Speaker 1: there by yourself. Um. You know the thing with college,
Speaker 1: I mean not everybody is is wired to go to
Speaker 1: school and get a degree. I mean I get that,
Speaker 1: And but what's wrong with going to a year to
Speaker 1: college just to really, um learn how to be by yourself. Um,
Speaker 1: because a lot of these kids are going to be
Speaker 1: traveling with their parents, and as a as a mom
Speaker 1: and as you as a father, there's no way you're
Speaker 1: gonna let your seventeen year old kid or daughter, boy
Speaker 1: or daughter go out and play on the tour by themselves,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna be with him. So, um, the whole
Speaker 1: social part of it is, it's it's now a full
Speaker 1: time job at seventeen. You work out, you play, you practice,
Speaker 1: you go to bed, you work out. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's day after day after day one. Are their
Speaker 1: bodies going to hold up and too? Mentally? Are they
Speaker 1: strong enough to go through the ups and downs of
Speaker 1: being a professional golfer? And that's right, that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I I worry about, is you know, if how
Speaker 1: are they going to write the ship when a lot
Speaker 1: of these kids have never really not had success. Now
Speaker 1: they've always been, you know, the top amateur or they've
Speaker 1: always played well in amateur events. Match play, the junior,
Speaker 1: the um you know, the trans the Western, all of
Speaker 1: these things. But match play, as you know, a metal
Speaker 1: players are two different components. And are they going to
Speaker 1: be strong enough mentally to play day in and day
Speaker 1: out and handle the successes and the failures the right way? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean you you think of two young players over
Speaker 1: the last few years on the men's and women's side
Speaker 1: of golf, and you've got you know, Lydia co on
Speaker 1: the women's side and Jordan's Speek on the men's side,
Speaker 1: and they burst on the scene. I mean they were unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lydia was much younger than Jordan's Speek, but
Speaker 1: I mean speed wins on the PGA Tours a teenager,
Speaker 1: Lydia is kind of winning everything. And now they're going
Speaker 1: through this lull in their careers where they don't have
Speaker 1: the same game and they're not dominant and they're not
Speaker 1: the talk of the town week to week to week.
Speaker 1: And to your point, that's still your job. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still what you've got to go do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure players come to you at times for advice
Speaker 1: when they're struggling, and uh, what do you tell someone
Speaker 1: that's two, three or four years into their professional career
Speaker 1: and it's not exactly where they hoped it would be. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I say, you know, everything comes in
Speaker 1: cycles and stuff. That's it's really when you're playing well,
Speaker 1: it's easy, it is, I mean it's and it's weird.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you know, you hit it in
Speaker 1: the trees and it bounces out in the fairway. It's
Speaker 1: or and when you're not playing well. When you hit
Speaker 1: the trees, it's right behind the route or it is
Speaker 1: incredible how when things are going bad, how things go bad.
Speaker 1: And what I say is you can't get it all
Speaker 1: back in once. I mean, it's all about confidence. It's
Speaker 1: getting your confidence back and and bree me for someone
Speaker 1: that's gone through a ton of cycles with my game,
Speaker 1: because you know, I kind of had it a start
Speaker 1: before kids, and then I struggled, and then I had
Speaker 1: it after kids, and then I struggled, and so you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it was all about um not the end results.
Speaker 1: It was more of the results of of how I'm
Speaker 1: playing um hold the whole. I mean, I just really tried.
Speaker 1: When I was in like not playing well, It's okay today,
Speaker 1: I just want to shoot under park just I don't
Speaker 1: care if it's one under or five under. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna shoot. I really was all about baby steps, is
Speaker 1: building that ladder again of confidence and competitiveness and and
Speaker 1: learning how to get back in um the saddle again,
Speaker 1: because when you're not playing well, you can get woe
Speaker 1: with me, and that's the worst thing you can do.
Speaker 1: You always got, you know, like I always told my
Speaker 1: long cut players I don't care if you're five down
Speaker 1: or five up. You keep your head up and you
Speaker 1: keep marching, because golf is really what you do. It's
Speaker 1: not who you are. It's not the person you are,
Speaker 1: and sometimes your golf can affect who you are, and
Speaker 1: that's when things goes out. Yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 1: talking to James Hahn a couple of years ago. We
Speaker 1: were playing in some you know, media event, and you know,
Speaker 1: he had that long like miss cut streak and then
Speaker 1: he wins the Wells Fargo out of nowhere, and he
Speaker 1: said that when he was in that streak of missing
Speaker 1: cut after cut after cut, he would hit it in
Speaker 1: a divot, you know, hit the fairway on on the
Speaker 1: fourth hole on Thursday, and it would be in a
Speaker 1: divot and he would get so frustrated. He would look
Speaker 1: at his cat. He would say, this is why I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss the cut by one or you know who
Speaker 1: gets these kind of breaks. And it was basically a
Speaker 1: mentality change of it's okay, you know, go out there
Speaker 1: and you know, as Paul Easing always says, if you
Speaker 1: hit in a bad spots, show off. You know, you
Speaker 1: want to go show off to everybody. I can still
Speaker 1: hit this shot, and he said he had to kind
Speaker 1: of flip that thought because to your point, the woe
Speaker 1: is me was following him around even if he was
Speaker 1: hitting good shots and getting the bad breaks then and
Speaker 1: that's where you know, I you know James, he's kind
Speaker 1: of figured out at a certain age. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's why I worry about these younger players, is not
Speaker 1: being able to figure that out. And and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they just disappear. You don't you don't
Speaker 1: see him again. Um. So I mean it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to follow uh, you know, Lucy Lee and see how
Speaker 1: she does. Um. You know you have all Valenteuola and
Speaker 1: Andrew Lee who just got their cards, but they still
Speaker 1: have another semester at Stanford, so be interesting what they do,
Speaker 1: what they decided to do. Um, are they going to
Speaker 1: be uh you know um um uh Fozzy uh kept
Speaker 1: kept kept kept, Yeah, are they gonna is she gonna
Speaker 1: go back and and differ and come out. So you've
Speaker 1: got all these things, you know, happening on the on
Speaker 1: the tour, which I think it's good because people start
Speaker 1: talking about it. Who is the most I'm not saying
Speaker 1: the best, but who over the last year year and
Speaker 1: a half two years. Who has impressed you the most
Speaker 1: with their games on the LPG tour. Well, that's a
Speaker 1: good question, um boy. I mean there's there's so many
Speaker 1: good I mean, I think Nnji Lee could be the
Speaker 1: number one player in the world. Um. You know, she's
Speaker 1: got such credibility. Um, but after playing um with the
Speaker 1: Solan Watkins two quarter sisters, it's impressive. It's impressive how
Speaker 1: good they are and how good that family is. I mean, um,
Speaker 1: the athletic ability is off the church, but watch it
Speaker 1: off for Nella Korda. Noa Korda has the inside part
Speaker 1: that wants to be number one. Jessica is a hell
Speaker 1: of a player and loves loves to compete, but she
Speaker 1: also really likes to have fun and enjoy her time,
Speaker 1: which is fine. Um, but I think I think those
Speaker 1: two are gonna be fun to watch, you know. Maria
Speaker 1: Juchanagarten is she's got so much potential and she's still
Speaker 1: so young. Um you know, but is she going to
Speaker 1: get better or is she going to burn out? I
Speaker 1: mean that's kind of where she's at right now. I
Speaker 1: think we'll last question, and I was gonna save it
Speaker 1: for the last one. Because it's I would say it's
Speaker 1: it's I don't know if it's complicated, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was a strange thing this week, this whole Christina
Speaker 1: Kim rules deal. Uh. And I don't know how much
Speaker 1: you you read up on it or looked at it,
Speaker 1: but you know, a couple of players in Q school
Speaker 1: we're giving signaling clubs and Christina waited till after and
Speaker 1: told the rules official and the players got a two
Speaker 1: stroke Penaltas. It's a rule that I feel like is
Speaker 1: one of the simpler rules in golf. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't give advice to a player or a caddy. You
Speaker 1: know you can you can look over at a bag
Speaker 1: and see what club they hit. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of little uh workarounds that golfers do throughout rounds
Speaker 1: and throughout tournaments. But I feel like Christina Kim gets
Speaker 1: kind of, for whatever reason, was was villainized for this
Speaker 1: and she did nothing wrong, especially in a Q school
Speaker 1: situation where you're literally playing for a job. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it is. I mean, I mean, it's a basic
Speaker 1: rule that everybody knows, but it's also kind of a
Speaker 1: basic rule that everybody. It's there's a huge gray area
Speaker 1: there because you know, as people that work for Fox
Speaker 1: and and for the people that are on the ground
Speaker 1: TV commentators, you need those caddies to flash those those
Speaker 1: fingers so you know what they're hitting. So I'm on
Speaker 1: the right side of the fairway and um, you know,
Speaker 1: someone um say Kay Cockrells out there, um commentating, and
Speaker 1: and my caddy flashes you know three for an eight.
Speaker 1: Are well the person next to me sees that, so
Speaker 1: they know I'm hitting an eight. R Um. I have
Speaker 1: to say, I've never really I've never seen a player
Speaker 1: put up three fingers or four fingers, but I see
Speaker 1: the caddies do it all the time. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you still got to hit the shot. Um, it's so
Speaker 1: you know, and they even they didn't even hit the
Speaker 1: the club that they said they hit. You know, one
Speaker 1: hits the nine and one hits the seven irons. But
Speaker 1: you know, to Christstina's it is a rule and it
Speaker 1: was broken and I think they both owned it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know the problem that the thing that I have
Speaker 1: a problem with is the caddy for the other player.
Speaker 1: The player didn't even know this was going on, and
Speaker 1: she's hitting, she's hitting a chat she didn't doesn't even
Speaker 1: realize that what's going on, and it is a player
Speaker 1: and caddy. They're a team there. So if your caddy
Speaker 1: mess is up, you take you take the front of it.
Speaker 1: So there is a huge gray area and so as
Speaker 1: the USC are gonna do something about it now, I
Speaker 1: mean I think now everybody's kind of on standby right now.
Speaker 1: That all right? You know, I know Bubba Watson is
Speaker 1: a huge um opponent of never giving even to anybody,
Speaker 1: even to the TV commentators, to the player, to a
Speaker 1: player next to him. Um, but he, I mean really
Speaker 1: is the only one I've ever known not to you know,
Speaker 1: flash a caddy, flash um fingers or whatever. So you
Speaker 1: know what, was Christina in the wrong, No, she was
Speaker 1: totally in the right. Um with the other girls. You
Speaker 1: have to know that role. That's the base cool. Um
Speaker 1: does it happen all the time? It happens a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that was kind of what the
Speaker 1: takeaway was, is that you you get this a lot
Speaker 1: because it happens consistently. But to your point, rarely is
Speaker 1: a player doing it. It's mostly a caddy that's doing
Speaker 1: it to a spot or for TV or or to anyone.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna ask you, Juliingster, what's the what's
Speaker 1: the worst ruling you've ever received and maybe the maddest
Speaker 1: you've been about a ruling in your career? Like you yourself,
Speaker 1: like you were like I need a drap here, or
Speaker 1: I did this, or somebody called you out on something.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have a moment that stands out? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I got two of them, but I'll just well
Speaker 1: the one that that that was called on me where
Speaker 1: I was in Portland's UM I want to say probably
Speaker 1: ten years ago, eight years ago. I was in UH
Speaker 1: probably the last group, maybe the second the last group,
Speaker 1: and we had like a half our weight on number
Speaker 1: ten and for some stupid reason, I get out my
Speaker 1: little donut and put it on my club on the
Speaker 1: test and I started swinging to kind of loosen up. Again.
Speaker 1: Well you can't do that, I mean, so someone saw
Speaker 1: it on TV. They called it in I finished the
Speaker 1: nine holes. I didn't really you know, didn't realize I
Speaker 1: had a um A violation. UM. I was in third
Speaker 1: place going in the last round. They hit me on
Speaker 1: the UH in the tent rules violation and I didn't
Speaker 1: even get too shock. I just got d H which
Speaker 1: is a little, a little drastic, I thought. But uh
Speaker 1: and then as you know, my other one was a
Speaker 1: drop at the open um in the US Open at
Speaker 1: Oakmont in Uh, Patty, she and hits it the in
Speaker 1: the rough. They give her a drop for casual water
Speaker 1: on a hill in of the fairway. How do you
Speaker 1: get a drop into the saily by the way and
Speaker 1: he it fit on the green? Granted, great shot makes
Speaker 1: the cut, was going to playoff. I lose. I'm not,
Speaker 1: but you know you don't sound like it. You don't
Speaker 1: sound like it's still sitting with you. But just twenty
Speaker 1: years later, you know, I'm good. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think about it daily. You know. The nice thing this
Speaker 1: year was we got a chance to go back and
Speaker 1: do an event. We did the US Women's aim it
Speaker 1: or at a place that you won your first US
Speaker 1: Women's Open at. And uh, let me just tell you,
Speaker 1: if you ever want to feel really important, go to
Speaker 1: like an old Waverley with Juli Inkster, because before, I mean,
Speaker 1: you had volunteers coming up. I was here when you won.
Speaker 1: I remember you said this and we did that. It
Speaker 1: was it was it was quite the coronation for you.
Speaker 1: I know you've been back once before, but it was
Speaker 1: pretty fun to to be at that golf course with
Speaker 1: you in particular. It was you know, it's always great
Speaker 1: to go back to of courses that you've had a
Speaker 1: lot of success and and they are I mean, they
Speaker 1: love their golf and they were passionate about about having
Speaker 1: the US Amateur there and uh, you know it was
Speaker 1: it was a great tournament. Uh. Yeah, Riell just put
Speaker 1: on a clinic as far as closing out a match,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm sure all buns gonna be thinking about
Speaker 1: that for the rest of her life too. So little
Speaker 1: things like that kind of get you in your crawl
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, they kind of sit with you
Speaker 1: for sure. By the way, have you currently your golf
Speaker 1: game currently? Do you have it figured out or are
Speaker 1: you searching? I'm searching. I'm gonna go hit balls after
Speaker 1: this change, just to kind of go figure it out.
Speaker 1: We've got a nice day here and lost, but seventy
Speaker 1: five degrees and uh, it's gonna be a perfect time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a couple of friends. I had
Speaker 1: dinner a couple of nights ago with some guys out
Speaker 1: here for the Charles Schwab Cup, and uh and they
Speaker 1: recently did a video from Posta Tempo. I've still never
Speaker 1: played it, and I said, I'm my goal and my
Speaker 1: rule is, I'm only gonna play Posta Tempo if you'll
Speaker 1: play with me, because I know it's it's a place
Speaker 1: that you get a chance to play a decent amount
Speaker 1: and I want I want to I want to have
Speaker 1: the Julie Inkster inside information about where to play the holes.
Speaker 1: Well you know what I Where your drives go and
Speaker 1: where my drives go are two different area coaches. But
Speaker 1: I would be honored. I think it's golf course that
Speaker 1: you would love to play. Yeah, it looks awesome, you know.
Speaker 1: I gotta give you a quick shout out. By the
Speaker 1: way we played. Uh. I think it was Mossy Yoke
Speaker 1: we played this summer we were doing the Women's Amateur
Speaker 1: at Old Waverley, went across the street and you played
Speaker 1: from the back tease Julie. You would not move up.
Speaker 1: You go, I'm playing back here with you guys, and
Speaker 1: uh and and it was I don't think I would
Speaker 1: say you were probably the a player that day anyway,
Speaker 1: no matter what club you were hitting into the green.
Speaker 1: So I was I was impressed. My sister would be
Speaker 1: proud of that. She Uh, she was always pretty anti
Speaker 1: women's teath to begin with. So Julie used to play
Speaker 1: in the backs. They having two older brothers and growing
Speaker 1: up around guys playing golf. That's how I grew up.
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of in your d n a um.
Speaker 1: But I think there was one hole that I did
Speaker 1: move up because I don't think I could have reached
Speaker 1: it into. He was like, now the carry's to thirty
Speaker 1: over that I'm I'm moving off. We're good to go,
Speaker 1: but I'm moving That was That was fun, Julie. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'll have a great offseason. We'll see you.
Speaker 1: We'll see you before you know it. I mean, the
Speaker 1: season is gonna come come right up on us. But
Speaker 1: senior women's I'm assuming you're playing in and then you know,
Speaker 1: all the all the events we get to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be there and and uh give a little Henry
Speaker 1: I hug for me. I will do he Uh, he'll
Speaker 1: be happy to He keeps growing. He's growing like a weed.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's pretty crazy. But I'm gonna take him
Speaker 1: to his first golf tournament this weekend. So hopefully enjoys it. Oh,
Speaker 1: there you go. It's a backpack or how you how
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm gonna, I'm gonna stroller it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pack the stroller. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: Try to park as close to the club house as possible.
Speaker 1: He'll probably will last about an hour. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to go fallow. Flesh is group so we can cry
Speaker 1: and stee Flesh's back swing and flesh and get bad
Speaker 1: at us. That's the that's the go, that's a goal.
Speaker 1: That's that's the plan for the weekend. Alright, give him
Speaker 1: give flashing my best. Thanks again, Shane. It looks like
Speaker 1: I'm a wreck already. A big thanks to Julie Inkster
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