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Speaker 1: Well, Marv, it is such a special treat this month

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, so much Mark now today, Chip.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of Marvin one month.

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Speaker 1: That is a lot of Marvin one month.

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Speaker 3: But I'd enough for me though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, this is Chip's first time to do a

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when I found this out, Chip, I

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Speaker 2: Well, I approach all astrology from an evolutionary standpoint, So

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Speaker 1: At the whole thing. Well, because when I initially pulled

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Speaker 1: Okay, But can you explain marv like the difference between

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Speaker 1: Because his personality, well, he really came in for an

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Speaker 2: Well, no, look, this is the thing. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: That's what you're rising is, like, that's what the rising is.

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Speaker 1: Like we Okay, wait, so our relationship if you had

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Speaker 2: Five other energies that are working together. It's an attraction principle,

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Speaker 1: But Chip and I do share a lot of energies together.

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Speaker 1: We can't just go read about Pisces because we have

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the moon is nothing more than your

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that we both have the most emo

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Speaker 1: is that not accurate?

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Speaker 2: Emo?

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Speaker 1: Emo?

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Speaker 1: It's an abbreviation for emotional. It's what. That's all the kids,

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Speaker 2: Well I would submit to you that in self expression

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Speaker 1: Well, luck, you mean.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there is. Let's understand something. There's

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Speaker 2: a big difference betwe between sensitivity and emotion.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well, so Pisces is sensitive and cancer is emotional.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're both pretty emotional, but Pisces is more is

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Speaker 1: Well that makes sense, chief, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And so they may they may respond to the

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Speaker 2: Well, all your conditioning and pattering is, yes, set up.

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Speaker 2: And then Chip his his was his issue was survival

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Speaker 1: Ship does that feel right?

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Speaker 3: Hell, you got to get business lady for Halloween?

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Speaker 2: So that's a great question because this is how it

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that makes so much sense because at

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work. So that's like, what I equate to

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, it's nice to know that

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Speaker 3: So I was going to worry about, like this, is

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Speaker 2: If you okay, if you stay stuck in your ego

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, So like those people that were changed, that's

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, what if they're an asshole and they just

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Speaker 2: You're not going to know a failure because you're not

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Speaker 1: And let you be judged I know, I know, I

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Speaker 1: Right right, asshole?

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Speaker 2: what kind of lessons would you get from having a

442
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: child that is born with a mouth or an illness

443
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 2: or whatever. Oh God, it forces you to learn a

444
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: very valuable lesson. I mean, I just came across some

445
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: stuff I was material I was going through the other

446
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: day of why people come in that are you know,

447
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: maybe in wheelchairs and they're disfigured, but because they're serving people,

448
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: they're serving others by bye, by just projecting that, you know,

449
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: disability and.

450
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: All of that challenge.

451
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: And then the people have got to now internalize that

452
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: and come to terms with that. Uh So that's a

453
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: lesson in and of itself. And that's a gift because

454
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 2: that person that comes in as disabled and and and uh,

455
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: not able to live or be normal, that's a sacrifice

456
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: that they chose.

457
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: Right.

458
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: The favorite quote is La Zoo said, let reality be reality.

459
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: So you look at it. It's tragic, it's ugly, it's

460
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: it's it's uh, it's it's all the you know adjectives

461
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: you could you want to use against about it, because

462
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: we're all connected, and you're you're you're here and you've

463
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: you agreed to come here to serve in whatever capacity

464
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: that you're being given and shown and we're all I

465
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: like Yoga Nanda what he said, nobody gets out of

466
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: this until we all get out of this. So humanity

467
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: is a collective that we're all working together. We're all connected,

468
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: the universe is connected. We don't know the plan, we

469
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: don't know the rhyme and the reason. We just have

470
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: to have, you know, a sense of trust and faith

471
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: within ourselves to eve within who we are and become

472
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: the best persons we can.

473
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: Be, right, I think the hard part about the like

474
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: it is what it is, or everything has either there's

475
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: a plan for everything or whatever quote you just said

476
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: is I think people take that and I know I

477
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: personally have too, as like dismissive of the feelings around it.

478
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: And nobody's trying to say that, oh, that happened for

479
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: a reason, like you deserve it, you know, like you

480
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: you everything happens for a reason. Sounds dismissive of all

481
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: the pain, right that people would feel, And that's not

482
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: at all what it is. It's just sort of like

483
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: what Marve always says to me, is it's already mapped out,

484
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: And that kind of like hits in a different way

485
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: because it's like, right, if you think about that, we

486
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: did this before we came in, and we are doing

487
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: it for our soul's evolution, even the pain, probably especially

488
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: the pain it kind of then maybe leaves more space

489
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: for the feelings around it, because yeah, like you said, Chip,

490
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: that is probably the worst pain anyone could ever go through,

491
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: right yeah.

492
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: And I think that what is done is I mean,

493
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, this is like any you know, it's the

494
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: jargon that we use in different decades and so forth,

495
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. And you know, it

496
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: kind of lends people to think that, you know, there's

497
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: no change there, you're accepting bad things and so forth.

498
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: So I think that you know that, that's why I like,

499
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: just let it be what it be. Let reality be reality. Yeah,

500
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: I mean the reality is is this is that, and

501
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: this affects you in a certain way, and you grow

502
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: from it hopefully, and life continues.

503
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: Right, And I mean I think the reality is also

504
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: it's painful, so it does acknowledge that, like that is

505
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: the reality that the people that are left behind are

506
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: dealing well.

507
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: And I mean, look how we're programmed. We're programmed to

508
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: get out.

509
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: Of pain, right yeah.

510
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so in other words, instead of just you know, accepting,

511
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the best way to get rid of pain,

512
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: the best way to deal with pain is accept the

513
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: pain and use the subconscious to understand that it's simply

514
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: a signal. You can get rid of fifty percent of

515
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: your pain right just by that.

516
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: It's so true. The more you try to avoid it,

517
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: the worse it feels. Actually yeah, yeah.

518
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: And so everything works together. I mean, you know, I

519
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: just saw a map. I'm forgetting where I was looking

520
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: at it. But the spider web, and it's even more

521
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: intricate than the web. I mean, it's a the way

522
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: the universe is constructed. The whole universe is constructed through

523
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: this tons of web of connections of strings running off

524
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: a like a tree, but only a thousand times more

525
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: intricate than a tree. So that if you look down

526
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: into the body, I mean you're looking down into some

527
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: of the nuclei. The body is connect connected, just like

528
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: the is uh, just like the universe is connected. So

529
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: all that connection is total and complete on all the

530
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: physical realm. Yeah, all connected.

531
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: Here sitting here and listening to this, it's you know,

532
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: it's not dissimilar to sort of Christian beliefs too. You know,

533
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: it's like God's plan. It's it's you hear it all

534
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: the time, like you know, this is what God shows

535
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: to me It's what's interesting is when I look at

536
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: an astrology chart and can sort of see the like

537
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: physical manifestation of how things are connected, it makes a

538
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: lot more sense to me than Bible and Christianity because

539
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: those are stories, and I don't discount it because I

540
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: think people need that. But to me, it's like, how

541
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: is an astrologer not sort of the central like some

542
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: world famous astrologer, sort of the god that we.

543
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: All know, you mean, like why is it not in

544
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: comparison to like Jesus.

545
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like I can see this map and be like, oh,

546
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: well that line goes there, and that line goes oh,

547
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: that makes sense, whereas the Bible is just something that

548
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: you have to believe in, you know, like and there's no.

549
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: That's that's the problem with dogma. I mean, they use

550
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: it as a battlestick when they can't when they have

551
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: no further explanation, right when when you're really looking at

552
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: it from a universal consciousness, you're understanding that that gives

553
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: you an opportunity to go deeper into a spiritual paradigm. Right.

554
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: That is not just you know, it isn't just what

555
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: is what it is. It's a universal consciousness that we're

556
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: all connected, we're all growing and learning and interacting so

557
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: that we can become all self realized. And so the

558
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: you know, the Carl Jung of astrology was is Dane

559
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: Rudyar and one of my teachers called him the greatest

560
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: astrologer in the last epoch, which is twenty six thousand years.

561
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, when you look at his

562
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: work and the way he broke it all down, it

563
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: was just I mean it was I mean, to me,

564
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: it was all channeled. I mean it was coming straight

565
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: from spirit. And so the great teachers are all like that.

566
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: They all kind of right in the same way. Their

567
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: verbiage connects in the same way. And so you know,

568
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: I to that kind of thing an astrology. I mean,

569
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, look, I can look at your energy and

570
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: I can say, oh, this is that energy there, But

571
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't know how you're going to use it until

572
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: I talk to you. I mean, you use it whatever

573
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: way you want to use it.

574
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: Right. That circles back to what we were saying at

575
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: the beginning of the conversation, Like Chip and I could

576
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of the same energies, but we might

577
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: use it completely differently.

578
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean you know, you have to understand

579
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: when you're using energy, the way we astrologers really look

580
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: at it is in pairs. Okay, if you look at

581
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: the pair, then what you're looking at is let's just

582
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: take Mars's action. Well, if you take an action based

583
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 2: upon your solar principle of what you desire, well, then

584
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: who's the payoff. The payoff is Venus. The payoff is love,

585
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: joy happen as harmony, musical, and so every action you

586
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 2: take is you are trying to look for something that's bigger, better,

587
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: greater than where you're at it this moment. So there's

588
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: compensation there. When we look at your reality structure that

589
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: has the flaws of perspective, perception, opinion, and judgment, well,

590
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: your growth factor is Jupiter. That says, well, if you

591
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: move towards a spiritual concept, then you'll have more gifts

592
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: than you can ever imagine. And you'll see the rime

593
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: and the reason of why you've constructed reality that is

594
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: just so painful when you experience some aspects of it,

595
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: and this gives you an opportunity to change your perspective

596
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: and uh, your attitude.

597
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that to me is why I've

598
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: gotten into astrology so much, and like just to even

599
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: bring it back to the comparison of religion, I think

600
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: everyone gets it in whatever way that works for them.

601
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: So whatever works for you is always kind of like

602
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: what I support. But for me, this understanding of the

603
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: different parts of my chart and even like my friends charts.

604
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: That's why I was so excited to like see chips

605
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: stuff is because then I can kind of see maybe

606
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: why we're in each other's lives like I do.

607
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: Ya, because with three planets and scorpio, you don't really

608
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: see Chip.

609
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Oh look at that. Where is he? Where am I? I? Oh,

610
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: my god, that's six foot wall.

611
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: Just about the time you think you know the old

612
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: Chipper buddy, it starts grinding away.

613
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: Well, that is true about Chip, Like there have been

614
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, wait, what something. He'll do something

615
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: or say something, or even get emotional about something or

616
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: go deep and it throws me sometimes because it wasn't

617
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: what I would have expected.

618
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: So I'm constantly well, And I mean, you know, when

619
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 2: I looked at his shard, I mean the wonderful thing

620
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: that I saw, and no one knows what little bit

621
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: I know about him. I mean, he's got a Mars retrograde.

622
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: That means he actually has to ask the question of

623
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: why people are like they are?

624
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: Do you know what?

625
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: Ja says? That helps him. That helps him to individuate

626
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: and become his own man. Okay, and that grows his

627
00:40:52,080 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: pathology by questioning society's raw laws and rules and oh,

628
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: if this is a way it's supposed to be, it

629
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: should be, says who.

630
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: He does do that all the time.

631
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: You can do that, literally, Marv. The question that Chip

632
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: ask almost every day in some capacity is what if?

633
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: And he creates a scenario that we're all like.

634
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: What, how did she even come up with that?

635
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like constantly weighing other options or he has

636
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: this like innate curiosity about everything.

637
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: So now you see what his prology does. It's a

638
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: built in factor to help him grow to become his

639
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: self made man.

640
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: Right, and with being.

641
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: Scorpio, it's a spiritual man because ultimately scorpio is the

642
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: first sign of spiritualizing. And so until the Scorpio learns

643
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: how to use their psychicking intuitive energy and become the

644
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: healers that they are, they're constantly being the score of

645
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: stinging themselves because the physical feel good.

646
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: Wait, what I don't get that last part.

647
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: Well. In other words, the scorpio sings itself to death

648
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: just because you know it's that, you know, the physical

649
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: is more important than the spiritual, until you stung yourself

650
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: so much that you know, you go through the death

651
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: and dying process so much that ultimately you have to

652
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: look upward and you have to start looking towards a

653
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: greater consciousness, which is why they become the eagle and

654
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: flying high above the material world so that they can

655
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: look down on the physical world. This is why sex

656
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: is so important, money is so important. Ship Scorpios have

657
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: a death wish every day. Am I right?

658
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Speaker 3: Ship should have seen me at the pool the other day.

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Speaker 2: They will take a risk just to death all times.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Death, I said, Ship, that's a score.

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Speaker 1: I do just think it's so interesting, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is kind of the point of our this podcast.

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Speaker 1: But like the way that our charts in this lifetime,

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Speaker 1: it's so specific and like you're saying right now, you're

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Speaker 1: describing these parts of Chip's personality that I would have

667
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Speaker 1: never anticipated would show up on his astrology chart, but

668
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Speaker 1: just goes to show like it is all exactly as

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Speaker 1: it should be. But I think when we start comparison,

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Speaker 1: comparing it to past lives is where it's just so interesting. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I used to feel very much like, oh,

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Speaker 1: why did I want to be? Or why did I

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Speaker 1: Why am I such a feeler? Like it felt like

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Speaker 1: such a burden to me in the lifetime to feel

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Speaker 1: the way I do all the time. But obviously I

676
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Speaker 1: had to be that way in this lifetime for my

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Speaker 1: soul to grow because I wasn't that way in other lifetimes.

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Speaker 1: And so it's like this constant lesson.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's interesting. What do you mean when I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at you when I look at the two combinations

681
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: of the chart. Yeah, In other words, I put your

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Speaker 2: your wheel on the middle and his wheel on the outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean his enus is in libra, so he you're

684
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Speaker 2: learning a lot about relationships from him, either direct or symbiotically.

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Speaker 3: Look at that, Oh, you're so excited about that.

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Speaker 2: So he teaches you a great deal about relationships and interrelating,

687
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Speaker 2: and he's helping you to He's teaching you how to

688
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Speaker 2: disconnect into that individuality that I've been after you for

689
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Speaker 2: so long.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, and.

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Speaker 2: So you grow through his through observing his individuality and

692
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Speaker 2: challenge to get to more individuality and spiritualizing processes. And

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Speaker 2: of course, so you're teaching him how to utilize relationships

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Speaker 2: as a factor of how what is their need? And

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Speaker 2: you know, how can I serve them? And then that

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00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: helps him get more into utilizing his strength and power

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00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: to break free from that the old paradigm for him,

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Speaker 2: which is his spiritualization comes by breaking down patterns that

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Speaker 2: you're very familiar with, and that's the getting out of

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Speaker 2: his head, getting out of a strict dogma or belief

701
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: system that things got to be this way or that

702
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: way and get into that whole individuality and intuitive, progressive

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00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: and the aquarium side of life. So he coming in

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Speaker 2: to his his actually coming into his better half of

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Speaker 2: his life.

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Speaker 1: See it feels opposite to me, does it not? Shi

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Speaker 1: Like those descriptions if I had, if I had heard

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Speaker 1: them separately, I would think exact opposite of who's teaching who?

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Speaker 3: What?

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00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think maybe the word teaching is throwing

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Speaker 3: like I'm thinking, like, even the opportunity to join this

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Speaker 3: podcast and sort of evolve vocally and share things, is

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Speaker 3: you teaching me or giving me the opportunity or the

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00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 3: tools to evolve. Okay, so I sort of tracks with me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I I certainly like I can

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Speaker 3: think of instances where i've like probably have helped you

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Speaker 3: with your individuality without even realizing that's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I definitely think that's what I thought. He

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Speaker 1: said I was doing that for you.

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Speaker 3: But no, what he's saying is that you're what the

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Speaker 3: things that you're teaching me is to sort of get

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Speaker 3: away from the belief systems of like things have to

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Speaker 3: be a certain way. And when I like, I was

725
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Speaker 3: also thinking about like growing up in a as a

726
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: gay kid in a family that was super conservative. Like

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Speaker 3: it's all tracks too. It's like, yeah, you know, no,

728
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Speaker 3: things don't have to be the way that everyone thinks

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Speaker 3: that they have to be. They can be just like

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Speaker 3: I am. And that's okay. And so I think by

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Speaker 3: you inviting me onto this to share my perspective with

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Speaker 3: your listeners, is you teaching me that that makes giving

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Speaker 3: me the opportunity to learn and think about it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she probably teaches you a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot about emotions and then how she organizes them so

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Speaker 2: because and then how you feel about certain things that

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Speaker 2: she gets all sideways about and how you're trying to

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Speaker 2: you get sideways in your own silent way, but just

739
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Speaker 2: observing her get sideways. And man, you know out in

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00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: the world and you're going, well, yet I can make

741
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Speaker 2: that adjustment to where you know it's okay for me

742
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Speaker 2: to take an action that is from an emotional standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have.

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Speaker 2: And of course you know you're her wounding is in Taurus,

745
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: which means that she's trying to find her rootedness in

746
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Speaker 2: groundedness and because she's trying to learn how to manifest

747
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Speaker 2: uh in from a self sufficiency and self work standpoint,

748
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Speaker 2: this helps you see as she's growing. This helps you

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Speaker 2: get out of your head in terms of love and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's actually a physical feeling instead of it all up

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Speaker 2: in my head. I can then I can feel the love,

752
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Speaker 2: I can enjoy the love, I can embody the love.

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00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: And then that way, that again helps you correct some

754
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Speaker 2: of your struggles with relationships and so forth, because it's

755
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: a because love is a physical thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it allows you.

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Speaker 4: It allows you to share your energy yeah right, yeah, uninhibited, right,

758
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 4: unapologetically yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And so you know we're all teaching our we're

760
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Speaker 2: all teaching each other. It's not just a one sided

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Speaker 2: thing for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing like you're right about the word

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Speaker 1: teaching chip because it is like it's not like I'm

764
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Speaker 1: sitting here doing a lesson plan and I'm like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm a teacher today. Let me get my

766
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Speaker 1: whiteboard out. It's not like that. But it's just like

767
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Speaker 1: my energy does something in your life that opens your

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Speaker 1: awareness to something else, and vice versa with everyone we

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Speaker 1: meet with every Like even you said, I think your

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Speaker 1: family is the perfect example, like you came into this

771
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Speaker 1: world different from them on purpose, like that was a

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Speaker 1: huge part of your life's plan, and so I just

773
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: think it's like fascinating to look at. And that's where

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00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: astrology really does help. And I love I mean, you know,

775
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Speaker 1: whenever dating comes up, I'm like sending my charts and

776
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Speaker 1: I'm like, can you run this and make sure we're compatible?

777
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Speaker 1: And like all this stuff. It's so interesting to see

778
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: why people are in your life because there's always something

779
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: to learn. There's always something to learn.

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Speaker 2: So the answer is just to jump in, Kelly, Well.

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Speaker 1: That's what I do now. God, But case in point,

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Speaker 1: this is why I always recommend for people to go

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00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: get a chart reading versus just be like plugging stuff

784
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: into an app and saying, oh, I'm a tourist that

785
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: means this. It's like there's so much more complexity to it. So, Marv,

786
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Speaker 1: if people do want to go get a reading with you,

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Speaker 1: where would they find you.

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Speaker 2: They would find me at astromarv dot com.

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Speaker 1: Astromarv dot com and you can send Marv an email

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00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: at Marvin at astromarv dot com. I'll always put that

791
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: in the description of the podcast. Chips, do you have

792
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: any final questions you want to leave?

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Speaker 2: Marv?

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00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm sure I could come up with

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00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: a million, but we could deal with day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

797
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: It's enlightening, and Marv, I need to like actually come

798
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: see you now that we can actually go.

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00:51:53,840 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: Oh that was the plan, Kelly, there you go, we

800
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: got it, Mars.

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00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you guys for being here with

802
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: us to go through the charts. To go check out Marv.

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00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: I'll put all the descriptions. I'll put all his info

804
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: in the description on this podcast. Marv, thank you again

805
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: for being here twice this month, and we'll see you

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00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: again in February. Thank you guys for listening, Bye, bye,