WEBVTT - The Penguin 104: Welcome to Arkham Asylum 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:00.840 Warning. 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:06.720 Today's episode Katay spoilers for The Penguin episode four Shintan, 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.320 so watch that before you listen to this ah Shantani. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:26.840 Hello. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.800 My name is Jason Ecepcion and I'm Ersday Night and 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.760 welcome back to X. Review of the podcast will be 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.680 done dee bit to your favorite shows, movies, comics and 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.680 pop culture coming to you from our podcast where we're 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:46.040 bringing you three episode every Tuesday Thursday, with extras on Wednesday. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.879 In today's episode, we are talking about maybe my favorite 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.160 episode of TV I've seen this year, Absolutely heartbreaking stuff 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.680 in Penguin one O four. It's a Sophia Falcone episode 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.640 and get ready to hear me absolutely take back anything 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.760 nice I've said about Oz because I am fucking pissed off. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:05.720 But before. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.360 It's going to be fun, let's mention the success that 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.120 HBO is having with this series. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:20.720 First, wonderful viewership numbers for The Penguin the premiere from 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.200 September nineteenth through ten point four million viewers across platforms 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:30.640 HBO Max and other streaming platforms and online and including 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.280 cable platforms. I would assume this is nearly double the 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.440 viewership from opening weekend, which saw five point three million viewers, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.399 and it's just great. That's great news. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.880 And I think it's got a wider viewership than ill 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.360 usual superhero shows. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:44.920 That's right. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.440 My partner is watching it, despite the fact that she 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.160 is not a comic book person. I think that there's 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.160 a lot of you know, the dramatic weight and the 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.640 fact that this is a very high quality, well written, 0:01:55.720 --> 0:02:01.680 well acted show is drawing people in. And the fact 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.880 that there are the connections to the broader DC universe 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:10.680 and Batman himself, that they're only that they're better if you. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.640 Want to find there, if you want them, but you 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:13.880 don't need to not. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.480 That's right, and I think that has helped widen the 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.680 audience for this. So let's get into the episode. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.800 Okay, Episode four, Tantani Tantani. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.600 We open with the final moments from episode three. From 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:34.440 Sophia's perspective. Oz is pleading with Nadia Falcone as the 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.200 mafia boss's wife, airs. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.840 Out all of his dirty and she's taughting him up. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.760 She's telling him everything. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:42.440 All the laundry. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:47.960 Sophia learns that Oz pitched murdering Alberto to the Falcones, 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.720 with him taking over as the new boss. She learns 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.960 that you know, Oz has been working with the Falcones. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:03:00.160 Oz says that he was getting the new drug for 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.080 the Falcones and that Sophia was just his dupie. Says 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.920 this with her right there, and then Vic comes crashing 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:07.680 in as we saw at the end of the episode, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:14.560 and we understand why Oz says, just leave Sophia, just go. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.919 Yeah, because she's onto him now. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:23.639 And as this is occurring, Sophia has like a psychological break. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.120 She's crashing out. She calls doctor Rush and we flash 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.360 back to over ten years earlier, before her stay at Arkham. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.680 Sofia is giving a speech in front of the mental 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.960 Health Foundation that she founded with her father, Carmine Falcone, 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.840 boss of the Falcon family. As her driver, Oz looks 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.240 on and it's very clear at this point in time 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.520 that their relationship is very different. She is very much 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.760 the power player. He is very much just a guy 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:50.520 in the world. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.080 Yeah, just the little guy bought. She's kind to him, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.520 that's what we learn. She's kind to him. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.680 She's kind kind of is like she's kind of everyone and. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:01.720 Then everybody else. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.320 Certainly she'll tell she'll correct people say don't call him that, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.240 don't call him the penguin. Yeah you know, and uh yeah, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.600 we get. This is a very interesting episode because, as always, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.359 very feels very disconnected from the wider world, but is 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.320 actually our most connected episode, not only to the Batman. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.360 And it also made me realize, wow, like they're doing 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.800 such a good job separating these things that I never 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.120 even put together. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:27.520 Who she was obviously the patsy for. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:32.279 And also we get some really deep cut connections here, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.960 like what basically what happens next is, Sofia gets approached 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:41.600 by a woman called Summer Gleason with a reporter, and 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.640 this is so great because this is a character who 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.680 has only appeared in the New Adventures of Batman, the 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.240 sequel series to Batman the animated series, and some like 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.400 noncninical comics since then. But I thought this was a 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.359 great example of how they pepper those little names and 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.080 stuff in there for people, but they bang you over 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:02.799 the head with it. So if you don't know this stuff, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:03.480 it doesn't matter. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:04.440 It's just a name. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.360 But if you do, you can kind of go, oh, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.560 I think I recognize that, and do your research. So 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:09.839 I thought that was really cool. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.680 So from miss Gleeson, Sofia learns that there has been 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:18.200 a recent death of a young woman at her father's 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:22.400 club forty four below. She died apparently of a suicide 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.640 by hanging, that's the official story, and that this death 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.160 is quite similar to other deaths that have occurred at 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.679 other places, namely the Iceberg Lounge owned by her father, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.880 deaths of young women who worked at these clubs who 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.200 died by asphyxiation in some form of fashion and that 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:48.400 have been ruled suicides. This makes Sophia think about her mother, 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:54.360 her mother's apparent suicide and the day that she found 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.839 her mother's body, she found her hanging in the master bedroom. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.840 After the foundation event, Sofia and her brother Alberto have dinner, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.920 family dinner with their father, Krma and Carmean Falcone, who 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.160 always wears sunglasses. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.040 Also, I want to say great casting here because in 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:16.000 the Batman movie that elder Falcone, Carmen Falcone, is played 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:16.760 by John Taturo. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.240 But here they cast Mark Strong as young. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.520 These wonderful marks, and I just think. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.520 This is such good casting. I think I totally bought it. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.679 It really gives a similar vibe. And I had this moment, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.920 this just heart wrenching moment because earlier in our coverage 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.400 of this, I had guessed that, unlike the comics where 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.680 Sophia really is the Hangman, I had guessed she was 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.160 probably a patsy, maybe for Alberto, because she loved him 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.720 and she wanted to take But I. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:43.800 Completely forgot that. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.800 In the end of the Batman Movie by Matt Reeves, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.279 we learn that Carmi and Falcone has been killing women. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.160 He tries to kill catwomen. He killed her mother, And. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.200 I never even put the fact that those two things 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.400 would be connected into this version of the Hangman, And 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.600 just seeing him reappear here, I suddenly kind of started 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.480 coming together, and I was just so impressed by how 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.440 distinct this show has made itself. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.560 In three episodes. I literally had never even made that connection. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.560 So they're having dinner with Carmea and Falcone. The wonderful 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.600 Mark Strong arsenal supporters is good in everything, even if 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.360 the movie's bad, Mark Strong is good. Carmine wonders why 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.800 Alberto is such a moron while Sophia always seems so 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:37.680 squared away and Carmine, when Alberto leaves, Carmine tells Sophia, listen, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.800 why don't we break with years of mafia tradition? I 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.120 will name you as my successor to the family, and 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:50.480 we'll push Alberto, who is often an embarrassment to the side. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.000 Sophia's like, what will the family say that, and he says, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.720 they'll say they'll do whatever they I tell them to do, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.880 because I'm the boss. Sophia then takes this opportunity to 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.800 kind of ask questions about her mom's death, noting, you know, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.960 she didn't seem depressed, and Carmin is like, yeah, she 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:09.800 was great at hiding it. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:10.960 Uh. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:15.960 And it's clear that Sophia has some niggling suspicions and 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.120 that maybe those suspicions have been there for quite a while, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:26.280 but Carmine very strongly shuts down the questioning. Later, Sophia 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:31.200 asks Alberto as they're driving off somewhere with Oz behind 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:35.520 the wheel, if their dad was involved in any way 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.880 with women at any of the clubs. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.679 His face is just like are you dumb? 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.160 Like, yeah, are you dumb? What you why are you asking? 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:43.840 What do you think? 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.040 She says, you know, how much do we really know 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.400 about him? You know, because he's the line of work 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.840 that he's in. Alberto is like yeah, again, He's like, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.040 what the fuck are you? What don't ask this meanwhile 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.840 Oz listening the entire time. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.160 Yeah. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:06.520 Sophia then meets with Summer Gleason secretly at night, late 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.120 at night, and. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.920 She tries odds enough to have him drive. He's there, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:12.640 he is. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.280 He is not like in the meeting, but he's like 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.480 across the street in the car watching and Gleason has 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.400 the autopsy photos. She notes that the physical evidence does 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.320 not match the official cause of death. There are there's 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:30.320 evidence of defensive wounds, broken nails, et cetera. She says, like, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.880 how about you go into the forty four below wearing 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.440 a wire? So if he's like you fucking crazy, absolutely not. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.640 She's like, okay, well, how about can you get the 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.120 employment file so at least I can prove that they 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.400 that they will work there. Again, Sophia flashes back to 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.480 the day that she found her mom, and she notes 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.720 that her mom had a broken nail, showing that that 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.320 maybe there was some sort of struggle that happened. And 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.839 you can tell that she's increasingly convinced that her father 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:02.600 was involved. But our, she says, just to Gleason, absolutely not. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.440 You have no evidence. I don't believe any of this. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.920 You're this is really a reach goodbye, and that's it, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.720 and she goes back to the car. Maybe that was 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.920 for Oz's public consumption, but that's what she does. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.479 I think she's like so in shock at the realization 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.560 she's having, because we get to see that when she 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.240 found her mom, she saw the broken nails, and then 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.720 when her dad came and kind of swept her. 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.079 Up and was like, no, no, you don't need to notice, like. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.960 She noticed that he has scratches on his face. So 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.640 I think she's aware, but she's in that mid space 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.199 between like should I be telling my dad? 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.120 Should I like? What should I do? 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.079 This is basically an unenviable situation, Pacivia. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:11:07.840 We'll be right back after a quick break. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.240 And we're about Oz tells Sophia when she gets back 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.200 in the car, Hey, you gotta be careful meeting with reporter. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.800 People are gonna think a certain way, and she rebukes 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.880 him quite sharply, saying, shut up, no one cares what 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:08.320 he thinks. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.239 Yeah, and this is like, this is like a fateful 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.400 moment in that relation. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.400 It's a it's a feels like a very very faithful moment. 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.840 Later at Falcone manor big party for Carmine. It's his birthday, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.720 all the important people are there. Oz comes up to her. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.920 He's inside wearing a nice jacket. She's like, what the 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.120 fuck are you doing inside? You should be outside with Cark. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.600 But he tells her, hey, your dad wants to see her, 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.600 and she it has a bad feeling, so she goes 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.840 with a present to try and break the ice. But 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.280 Carmine knows about the reporter. It's very clear that Oz 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.120 rated her out. He's very mad. He says that reporter 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.560 has been working with the cops investigating him for the 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.080 murder of quote, some hookers at the club. Is the 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.120 way he phrases. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.760 Nice, so you can guess like he definitely really respects 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:53.640 these women's life. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.679 Yeah, he wants to know if Sophia thinks that he 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.880 killed them, and she says, no, what I never doubted you. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:07.040 And she says again, faithfully, there must be some explanation, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.600 explanation for what he says for the scratches on you 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.400 in the and Mom's nail when she died, those the 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.880 scratches weren't from Mom, right, And Carmi now gets very spooking, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.240 very scary. And this is where I'm like, whoa this? 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.719 I feel very bad. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.080 Bad, bad, bad stuff. This was the moment very bad vibes. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:31.360 Oh. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.760 I was like, oh, dear, I shall say, I gotta say. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.560 I want to call myself out here because in the 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.960 previous coverage of the Penguin on HBO and Max, I 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.559 had been an Oswald supporter. 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.960 I had said, I love this little guy. He's just 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:48.920 doing things. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:50.840 He's just you know, he's a bad guy, but he's 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.640 just trying his best to like climb up the ladder 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:54.120 of Gotham. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.960 I take you back. I am now Oswald hater. I 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:01.599 am an Oscarp hater. I understand his mentality. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.400 But the point of this episode is to show how like, 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.040 whether it's some aglesum, whether it is Sofia, whether it's Oz, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:14.280 these tiny moments that people act almost like impulsively on. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.840 Whether it was Sophia, you know, snapping at Oz when 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.880 she's usually patient with him, whether it's Oz deciding to 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.960 you know, snitch on her to her dad. These moments 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.640 have like massive implications that are going to be going 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.320 on in Gotham for like decades. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.920 I'm not going to defend ours, but I will, I mean, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.080 I'll talk about my view on this after we do 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.880 the recap, after we go through the recap. So on 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.080 the ride home, Oz is like, hey, I'm sorry, you know, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.600 what do you expect me to do? It's Carmen's the boss. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:49.240 He pays my salary. I'm doing my job, she warns him. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.800 Then again, it feels like a very faithful moment that 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.439 you're on his radar now and your family his radar, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.760 which everyone you lie. Probably why Oz moved his mom, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.800 faked her death and moved her out to the suburbs. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.000 Oh yeah, great, cool. I didn't even think about that. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:07.840 That's obviously. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.360 Yeah, that moment they get pulled over, the cops want 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.720 Sophia and they arrest her for the murder of Summer 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:20.000 Gleason and all the women who died at her dad's clubs. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.680 And obviously, I will say Oz did not know about this. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.720 I do need not know that that was going. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.880 He didn't know that she was that fucked like he 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.440 thought he would just scare her a little bit, be 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.320 able to be there for her as a driver. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.320 He definitely in that moment you see the connection between 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.320 them because he is in the cops. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.200 Yeah, he's he's like, what are you doing? Yeah, So 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.320 her dad and other family members including uncle Luca. They 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.840 write sworn declarations that Sophia has been mentally ill for 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.200 a long time. They get her put into Arkham for 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.400 what appears at first to be just an observation period 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.280 of six months to see if she can stand trial, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:04.000 but obviously ends up being much much longer. Alberto is 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.680 the only one who visits her during this time and 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.200 really tries to tell her that she can do this. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.440 She's a Falcone, she's strong, she can do this. And 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.640 Arkham is as excruciating as you expect it is. She's 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.080 stripped shirt, she's examined, she's chained in manacle. This is 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.360 where she meets doctor Rush. She also meets doctor Ventris, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.680 who runs the place, and they lead her, you know, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.760 through the haunted halls, past hollow eyed patients, to her 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.240 isolation cell. In her cell, she hears a voice from 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:42.800 the neighboring room. It is a patient that apparently is Magpie, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:44.000 the Claw. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:49.160 Nail fun creation DC jewel thief who likes. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.760 To make like booby trapped versions of jewels to kill people. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.960 Again, very fun play on expectations. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.680 Here. The actress who plays Magpie does a very good 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.920 Holly Quinn impression. You'll supposed to think that's who it is. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.560 And I think that there's just a lot here that 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.960 for me personally, this is a very hard episode. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.520 To watch because like it is actually hard. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.480 It's so hard to watch because Kristin Malotti is obviously amazing, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.000 but also like, this is a very real thing that 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.000 has been happening to women and continues to happen to women, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:26.480 where they will be institutionalized if they don't agree with 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.200 a family member, or they get pregnant outside of marriage, 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.080 or you know, many other reasons. In England, they were 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.800 actually still women who had been institutionalized for becoming pregnant 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.360 outside of marriage, who were only released in like the 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:41.280 early nineties. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:42.800 So this is like a very real thing. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.040 And I think that they do a great job here 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.720 showcasing just how horrific that is. And I think this 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.560 is another really fantastic way that they ground the show, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.320 because you know, I've seen a lot of memes going 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.200 around going ooh ooh, they grounded the show by calling 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.960 him Oz Cobb, and everyone thinks that's really funny that 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:01.960 his name's Oz Cob. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.320 I mean, it's kind of funny. 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.040 But the reality is the grounding that they actually do 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:12.200 is by putting real world situations, whether it is Vic 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.800 and his startering and the way his family died in 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.640 a climate crisis disaster added with terrorism and how he's 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.199 had to now live on the streets and kind of 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.639 deal with that, which feels extremely real right now, or 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:30.080 whether it's Sophia being institutionalized by her father and having 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.639 all of her family turn on her to back him 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.080 up and kind of being stuck in this like nightmare 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:41.199 prison system. It's great TV that really fits into the 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.840 world of the best of what Matt Reeves Batman did, 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.280 and I just this is such a hard episode to watch. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:53.000 So in the cafeteria later, Sophia sits with Magpie and 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.400 this is where she first learns about the bliss pills. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.720 You only get them when you're good, Magpie says, and 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.600 it immediately goes into a stupid her. Another patient comes in, unchained, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.600 wandering around, comes up to their table, Sofia tries to 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.200 raise the alarm about this patient accuses Sophia of killing 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:15.240 those girls and then beats Sophia pretty badly in her cell. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.560 Rush comes in and he's apologetic. He says, we'll look 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.560 into why this, why was around, but Sophia is, like, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.280 I think, very rightly concerned that this was a coordinated 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.840 attack by her father to silence her in a way 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.160 that could not tie back to him. Yeah, and when 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.880 she voices those things, Rush, because of the situation they're 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:43.080 in the context, sees these as perhaps delusions and begins 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.720 to wonder, like, you know, do you so you think 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.320 that you know, are you being paranoid? 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:48.600 Yeah? Yeah, all you being paranoid? 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.560 Also, I just want to say I think that they 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.680 did a really good job with this character who attacks 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.200 Sophia because she gives big joke of vibes. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:58.280 It's like another thing. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:18:59.919 It's like, you know, it's not the Joker, and then 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.040 going to do a female version of the Joker, but 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.239 she has red hair and she's kind of got this 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.240 kind of scary grin, and she's very gone and tak 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:12.360 They just they have a good understanding of how to 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.679 tease feelings and evoke characters, even when they're not going 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.960 to commit to that being the character. 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.399 We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:37.080 right back, and we're back. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.640 So Rush starts to delve into Sophia's case, specifically her 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.000 emotional reaction to the death of her mother, you know, 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.880 wondering if this is the cause of these delusions she's having. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.160 Sophia's like, I'm here because my dad wants to keep 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:50.639 me quiet. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:51.520 That's it. Period. 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.919 And again Russia's acting like this is a psychosis, and 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.720 he insists that he just wants her to get better. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.919 Later in the mess hall, Sophia is taken to men. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.960 She's given a fork. Her attacker is led in and chained, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.600 and the guards and the doctors just kind of all 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.400 crowd around like a gladiator fight, which is a thing 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.879 that happens in actual institutions. And it's I don't want 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.680 to delve into that now, but like, and it's very 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.359 clear that they're like, okay, you want to deal with 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:19.119 it here, deal with it. 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.080 Yeah, and then so like and then you'll have killed someone, 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.879 so then you're gonna be here whatever. So, Sofia is 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.440 in this like and again just like an impossible position. 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:29.600 It's just terrible. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:34.000 The patient, the unnamed patient, meanwhile, is the one who 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.439 takes the aggressive action. She attacks. She grabs the fork 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.919 and then stabs herself, begging Sophia to end it, to 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.480 end it, the doctors rush in. They take Sofia to 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.840 get electroshocked, and she's electro shocked numerous times. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.080 The implication here as well is like the version the 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.520 alchemists telling people is that Sofia killed this other patient, right, yeah, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.840 because they take her to and the electroshock sessions horrific 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.440 to watch, another real thing that people are put through 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:05.280 in real life. And I thought they did a really 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:10.480 beautiful and heartbreaking kind of rendition of the hallucinatory effects. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.879 When she's kind of peeling back the prison the prism 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.360 paint and finding her home wallpaper under there, Kristin Malot 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.760 is just like if they beg of her an Emmy 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.080 for this episode, she's. 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.880 So six months past, you know, of electroshocks. Alberto comes 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:28.879 to visit. He says, I'm so sorry, but Ventres that 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.800 says you have to stay in Arkham, you know, for 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.840 an unknown period of time, like there's not going to 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.520 be a trial. You've been deemed mentally unfit and so 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.280 you have to stay here. Later at chow, Rush tries 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.880 to apologize for this, and he says, like I tried 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:50.199 to convince ventures otherwise. Magpie is happy though that her 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:57.440 friend is staying, and Sophia begins to wonder maybe not unfairly, 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.840 but it's never quite clear if Magpie has been informing 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:03.000 I would. 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.640 Say, yeah, I thought I had to, you know, when 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.879 I was rewatching this, this was a moment that I 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:12.880 kind of returned to a lot because it's just horribly vague, 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.199 and you kind of think, well, if Magpie is, you know, 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.560