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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. Hi am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and it is a Thursday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Warmed up a little bit today, Yeah, and I said

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Speaker 2: chili at night warming today it's fall yep, feels like

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Speaker 2: falling the bird. Love it absolutely. Steelers getting on the

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Speaker 2: practice field today and some guys coming back. One notable

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Speaker 2: guy who was limited today who hadn't been on the

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Speaker 2: injury licio, so that would be tight end. Pat Friarmuth.

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Speaker 2: He's dealing with a calf issue. Those are going around,

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Speaker 2: yeah wow, and was limited today after practicing in pool yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see where that goes with friar Mouth. But

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Speaker 2: once again for the second consecutive day, Jaylem Warren to

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Speaker 2: participant today and might be trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That sounds like good news, you know. I mean

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Speaker 3: that he's out there, he's doing stuff. I think they

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Speaker 3: could really really use him a little concerning I guess,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean maybe it's nothing. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you'll see but Norris practice will be telling.

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Speaker 2: What's that tomorrow's practice will be telling.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm excited about Warren. I would love to see

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Speaker 3: him in the mix. I think Nausey could use some help,

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Speaker 3: to be honest with you, And you know all these

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Speaker 3: teams are stacking the boxes so much and receiving back.

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Speaker 3: I think could go a long way. Not that Nausey

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Speaker 3: can't catch the ball, but another option. They need all

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Speaker 3: the playmakers they can get right now.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Russell Wilson, getting through another full practice today, said

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Speaker 2: he feels great. Good, so he's trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Nase Harris, he was off yesterday, got a

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Speaker 2: full practice in today. Demante Kyz did not practice for

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Speaker 2: the second day in a row. He's not looking good.

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Speaker 3: No, that sound good.

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Speaker 2: Minka Fitzpatrick back today after resting yesterday. Nick Herbig not

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Speaker 2: going to play. How about this one? Alex high Smith

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Speaker 2: limited today?

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Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't think you'd even see the field all week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So again, as I mentioned before, So the way

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Speaker 2: the NFL does this now, if you go out and

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Speaker 2: work with trainers on the side, they have to list

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Speaker 2: you as limited.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but at least you're doing something yeah, at

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Speaker 3: least you're got a chance. I mean, you're on the.

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Speaker 2: Trending at least in the right direction to return for

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Speaker 2: sure next week.

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Speaker 3: I would say that's actually not my mouth is most

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Speaker 3: of those guys sure sound like next week at the latest.

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Speaker 3: You know that's great, some.

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Speaker 2: Less than others. H Jalen Warren, you know, And I

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Speaker 2: asked specifically we were talking to Justin Fieldsdale mentioned a

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Speaker 2: story about fields that he told today a little bit

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Speaker 2: later here, But I said, you know, how much can

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Speaker 2: you use that guy? If Jalen's back this week? What

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Speaker 2: does he bring to the offense. He's like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's another great runner, great in protection, the great player

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Speaker 2: to to you know, to get the ball to in

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Speaker 2: third down situations. Like, you know, this is what they be.

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Speaker 2: You know what they've been missing here. They tried to

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Speaker 2: manage Harris's snaps a little bit, particularly in this last game.

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Speaker 2: So he's not out there one hundred percent of the snaps.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's a and he's had a serious workload year

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Speaker 3: to date.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so he only played what one

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Speaker 2: third down snap the entire game last year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which that's usually Warren's role. Anyways, but on

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Speaker 3: third downs he played one snap? Yeah, so seven, I

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Speaker 3: mean there was more than seven. Yeah, there's not a

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Speaker 3: lot of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Getting Jalen Warren back to take some of those

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Speaker 2: third down snaps again, all of them gives you a

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Speaker 2: gives you another weapon out there in the passing game.

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Speaker 2: He makes guys miss yep and does all this. We

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Speaker 2: haven't gotten to see him at all this year.

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Speaker 3: I know. I feel like we've been robbed because I

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Speaker 3: think he's been one of my favorite Steelers to watch

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Speaker 3: just from a fan angle. I think he's a tremendous

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Speaker 3: football player. I don't think it's a company secret, but

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Speaker 3: they flirted with some pony stuff in camp. Maybe you'd

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Speaker 3: even get both them on the field together. He's a

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Speaker 3: much different style than Nausey, and frankly, he might be

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Speaker 3: a better fit for this offense I would like to see.

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Speaker 2: It's just another piece at their offense has been missing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: pretty much the entire year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And I think there was an argument that

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Speaker 3: he was, if not the one of the best offensive

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Speaker 3: players on the team last year, and easy to overlook

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Speaker 3: because he's listed as too on the depth chart. But boy,

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Speaker 3: I think he'd help a lot Yeah, I do too.

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Speaker 2: Isaac say Amalo full participant today after getting the day

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Speaker 2: off yesterday. Michael Pruitt also limited again today after being

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Speaker 2: omitted yesterday. So trending in the right direction. No. Cordero

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Speaker 2: Patterson today mentioned Friarmouth TJ. Watt a full participant today.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of resters yesterday, right Cam, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're given another day off for rest. That doesn't concern

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Speaker 2: me at all with him, uh. De Marvin Leal did

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Speaker 2: this week, right uh. And then Larry Ogan joeb Be

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Speaker 2: limited today after being resting Yesterday's still dealing with that

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Speaker 2: kind of that after effects of the groin issue. Ease

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Speaker 2: him back into it, but I don't expect that to

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Speaker 2: be anything. He keeps him out of the game on

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Speaker 3: He didn't play a ton of snaps last week though,

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Speaker 3: I mean it could have probably used more, but that's

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Speaker 3: he has a little bit of an injury history. Always

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Speaker 3: seems to be something going on, So I just want

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Speaker 3: to pay attention to that one too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I mentioned we're talking to Justin Fields today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so when my son was my oldest son, was

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Speaker 2: in middle school. He had this the long hair that

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Speaker 2: him one time he was getting a C in a

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Speaker 2: because he wasn't doing his homework.

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Speaker 3: It tends to happen, yeah, right, just kind of right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I warned him.

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Speaker 2: I said, hey, you should be getting you could be

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Speaker 2: getting a B in this class if you just turned

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Speaker 2: at it, they'll give you the credit for it. That's

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Speaker 2: that's the reason why right now you've got the C.

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Speaker 2: I said, if you don't do this, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: shave your head.

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Speaker 3: Is where we were going.

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Speaker 2: The hair is gonna go. And so after two weeks

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Speaker 3: At the you didn't say the be do you say

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Speaker 2: Turn your homework in? And he didn't do it, and

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Speaker 2: so I got the clippers out. Really went there went

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Speaker 2: the hair. So we're talking to Justin Fields today, Marbles.

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Speaker 2: I still hear about it from my wife.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking to Justin Fields today and he was

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Speaker 2: asked about where his kind of old school mentality comes

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Speaker 2: from He said, I get it from my dad. Okay,

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Speaker 2: how did you how did your dad instill that? And

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Speaker 2: he said, well, my dad was a military guy who

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Speaker 2: And said, in fact, he shaved my head in high school.

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Speaker 2: He said, I was wasn't doing when I was supposed

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Speaker 2: mister Field, And he said that wasn't the only time

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Speaker 3: I'm wow.

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Speaker 2: So when we got we got done, Justin walked away

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Speaker 2: you just vindicated me with my family because I still

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Speaker 2: hear about this that I'm this horrible father because I

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Speaker 2: cut my kid's hair off because he wasn't doing what

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Speaker 2: he was supposed to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he goes you learn from those things.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Right, especially for your longer hair and it doesn't grow

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Speaker 3: back right right right, and it took a while. That's awesome,

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Speaker 3: very cool. So he's in good spirits, I assume, and

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Speaker 3: preparing as if he's a starter, like it's any other

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Speaker 3: wouldn't change his preparation or anything he's doing, you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, you know, did want to note like

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Speaker 2: some of the stuff that they want to do offensively,

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Speaker 2: field and stuff of that. Right right, it wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: And he was talking about that today and asked about it.

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Speaker 2: He said, yeah, we need to hit some of those,

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Speaker 2: And I said, and I asked them, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you bet, you're going to back the safeties off at

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Speaker 2: the very least if that happens. Here's the problem right

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Speaker 2: now with the Steeler offense. We know Arthur Smith wants

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Speaker 2: to run play action. They're running play action at the

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Speaker 2: second highest amount percentage in the NFL right now. The

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Speaker 2: problem is they're averaging right now four point three yards

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Speaker 2: per pass attempt in play action on play action.

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Speaker 3: That's sucking to cut it at all? No, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean most, I mean over like the last five years.

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Speaker 3: This is in exact numbers, but the league averages I

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Speaker 3: think like two yards more when using play action per

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, not two yards less, right, right?

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Speaker 3: Right? I mean I don't know why that is. I

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Speaker 3: do know Fields has a somewhat longer time to throw,

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Speaker 3: which is his style, and it's also a run around

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Speaker 3: quarterback thing takes a little longer. I mean, is that

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Speaker 3: part of the process of people getting home and disrupting

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Speaker 3: throwing lanes more during play action? Are they not honoring

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Speaker 3: it because the Steelers aren't running as well? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I saw some disturbing numbers about stack boxes, though, I

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Speaker 3: mean that they're They led the league this past week

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Speaker 3: in running percentage of runs into stack boxes. You know

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Speaker 3: it's obvious, I ago you can block it up. There's

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Speaker 3: too many defenders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I look this up. Over his career, Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson has averaged eight point four yards per past attempt

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Speaker 2: on play action.

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Speaker 3: He's always been very good at.

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Speaker 2: It, including eight point six yards last season.

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Speaker 3: Use it.

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Speaker 2: Utilizing play action not a pretty bad offense. The offense

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Speaker 2: or you know, right, and you know these you don't

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Speaker 3: Run the ball well to make play action work.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, but you have to be willing to

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Speaker 2: make those throws and some of them are going to

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Speaker 2: But the fact remains that Russell Wilson's good at it.

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Speaker 2: And so again this is not a knock on Justin

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Speaker 3: Yeah, next step is taking hits and all that kind

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Speaker 2: Right, doesn't mean he could still be your quarterback next year.

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Speaker 2: Let me just have what Tony Dungee had to say.

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Speaker 1: At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt there's a lot of different things out there,

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Speaker 2: And I want to do that this week, in particular

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Speaker 3: Focus rookie rankings. They ranked the top fifteen guys regardless

437
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Speaker 3: of position. At fifteen, they have Dominic Pooney. Yeah, he's

438
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 3: been really hard for the San Francisco forty nine ers.

439
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,920
Speaker 3: His grades seventy three point one. They're going strictly on

440
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Speaker 3: the grades.

441
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Now you and I don't necessarily agree with

442
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 2: their grades all the time.

443
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 3: It's an insulation you're in the ballpark.

444
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Speaker 2: Right At fourteen is Jordan Whittington, the wide receiver for

445
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Rams.

446
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 3: Okay, he's kind of doing the Puka stuff, but a

447
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,880
Speaker 3: lesser version obviously. But yeah, he's the physic. Hasn't played

448
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 3: quite as much as some of these other guys. No, No,

449
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 3: he got thrust in there because they had two injuries.

450
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: At thirteen is Joe Alt. We saw him a couple

451
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 2: of weeks ago playing right tackle for the Los Angeles Chargers.

452
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 3: He was tremendous before the Steeler game, had a rough

453
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: game against Steelers, got hurt. Is that a buye since then?

454
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 3: So it's he's getting back on the horse this upcoming week.

455
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 3: But great prospect.

456
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 2: No, he's fantastic.

457
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

458
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 2: Monster at twelve is Brian Thomas junior with the Jaguars.

459
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he's that low. He's been really, really impressive,

460
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 3: clearly their best player on offenses year. Yeah.

461
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: Eleven is Marvin Harrison junior with the Cardinals.

462
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 3: A little bit of a slow start and then he

463
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: blows up in Week two and he's been quite good since. Yeah,

464
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 3: maybe he's not the phenom everyone thought he'd be. I mean,

465
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 3: he's a five games into his career, but he's hard

466
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: to play against already.

467
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's ben good. Yeah. At ten, a guy that

468
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: we liked in the draft, Andrew Phillips cornerback with the

469
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 2: Giants out of Kentucky, and he's a good player, is

470
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: a valuable slot guy.

471
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: The year before, they took Banks in the first round,

472
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: both of whom played pretty well. He's just kind of

473
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 3: rag on the on the Giants out. They're a bad

474
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: team and the only thing good on their defense is

475
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 3: the defensive line. But then they got a pair of

476
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 3: corners out.

477
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nine has been Jared Verse with the Rams.

478
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 3: I didn't love him coming out, and I think I

479
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: kind of learned a scouting lesson with him. Is he's

480
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: so physical and run hower guys, and that just translates immediately,

481
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, if you can win with power

482
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 3: off the edge, even if the other stuff doesn't come,

483
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 3: you're going to be a contributor. Yeah.

484
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: At eight, another guy who's a kind of a however,

485
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: he got more pass rush moves though, Is and the

486
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: Steelers have seen him. They are too, lay two with the.

487
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: Colts, okay, And he's a technician as well as a

488
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 3: power player. I mean, first defensive player taken. He's pretty

489
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: NFL ready too, And that's an extreme description.

490
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 2: I mean a few rookies are seven is to and

491
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: Andre Sweat with the Titans.

492
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Speaker 3: Blows me away. But I mean they're right. He's been

493
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: a real force for them. I mean they keep them fresh.

494
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: And Simmons gets most of the doubles. Yeah.

495
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: I sent you the list earlier this week of their

496
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 2: top five graded interior defensive lineman. This week he was right,

497
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: Heyward's number one. He was number four on that list.

498
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: Just anyone, Yeah, I mean that includes Chris Jones and

499
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 3: Quinn Williams and Simmons and all those dudes. I mean,

500
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: it's a lot of good the tackles in the league.

501
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: Right now. Lawrence of course though him.

502
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: And Justin Simmons in the interior of that Tennessee that's

503
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: why it's tough to run against them.

504
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 3: The big time. Yeah, they have some corners now too

505
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: with need and you know they got the nice bones

506
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: of a defense from this week or this this offseason.

507
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: They always have those big hogs in the middle. I mean,

508
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: they're always tough to run. Again they are. I didn't

509
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: know if that was a Rabel thing, but I mean

510
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 2: they take two of them. They took Latham and Sweat.

511
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about the two.

512
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: Biggest, nastiest dudes at each of their positions in the

513
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 3: first two rounds.

514
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of beef at six maleik neighbors.

515
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: He's been great.

516
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: I would say he's probably been the second best, or

517
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: if there was second best rookie of the year, I

518
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: know Fraser's name is gonna come up, but I mean,

519
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: I think Daniels is running away with the Rookie of

520
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: the year.

521
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: On hers because he's a quarterback and he'll win it

522
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: and and he will and.

523
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: I was shocked, like Mayfield beat out Barkley that year.

524
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: But he's a quarterback quarterback right right, and now Neighbors

525
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 3: missed a game and it doesn't sound like he's gonna

526
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: play this week either, not looking that way, but I

527
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: mean his what he's done has been outstanding.

528
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: At five is Jaden Daniels.

529
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: Wow, let me stop you super quick. Yesterday we did

530
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Speaker 3: a mailbag on our podcast and they asked us, if

531
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: you were to redraft this wide receiver class, how would

532
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 3: you do it? And I said I'd take Neighbors over Harrison.

533
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: Would would you do that as well? Knowing what you

534
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: know now draft is today? I mean, see, here's the

535
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: thing though, and then I drew a line under.

536
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: Them if they if they switched positions or switch spots,

537
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: would Harrison be having this kind of because he's Neighbors

538
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: is the only game.

539
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: In town that the targets is insane. Target is target

540
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: share in the league. It's all about opportunity as well.

541
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 3: I think his tape has been better though, I mean

542
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: the way he moves. I mean they still were my

543
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: top two, yeah, and they were close to begin with. Yeah,

544
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Speaker 3: I mean just having that five games was enough for

545
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: me to say Neighbors was one.

546
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Speaker 2: I can understand that.

547
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

548
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jaden Daniels at five.

549
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: That's surprising. I mean, I wonder where he is on

550
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: their overall quarterback list because just numbers and all that stuff.

551
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: I can see here.

552
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: Let's where's he head on? Here? He is uh overall

553
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: grade of eighty one point one. That puts him at

554
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: I can't read that it's too small. He's actually he's

555
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: seventh all quarterbacks, tied with Daniel Jones. Of all people,

556
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: joneses not had a bad year because he got Molak

557
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: neighbors as your help and he just leans on him.

558
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: And of course they also have bow Nicks at four.

559
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 2: So on this list, No. Among quarterbacks. Oh okay, I

560
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: was looking up. I mean it's going to double check. Well,

561
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: that's a turnover worthy play rate. That's seventh lowest in

562
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: the league. But his grade of eighty point one is

563
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: very high among quarterbacks.

564
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: He's number one in EPA. Yeah, I mean he's right

565
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: ahead of Borough completions. That's the thing. Have a ball

566
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: who it's the ground.

567
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: He either does bow knicks, but he doesn't throw for

568
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: any yard.

569
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: He doesn't make any plays either. And they also factor

570
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: in his legs and all that stuff too. With EPA

571
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: and hes been outstanding. He's been ridiculous. I mean, he

572
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 3: had like a ninety percent completion rate one day. I mean,

573
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: I think he's number one in completion rate period. You know,

574
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting this week's seventy seven percent completion rate.

575
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: They're playing the rate this week. I wonder if he

576
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: comes back to Earth. I mean, but we just saw

577
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: Burrow towards that. I mean, everybody's thrown against that Ravens defense.

578
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Daniels and Lamar aren't the same guy. But

579
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: I know Harbor, of course, Harbaugh knows. How does the

580
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: league try to defend our guy? Well, let's do that,

581
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, what do the Steelers dude

582
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: right that they should be watching Steeler raven tape himself.

583
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: Scout themselves had to deal with Daniels. If he gets

584
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: over this hump, I'll be really impressed. He might throw

585
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: on them. Yeah, but if they if he puts thirty

586
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: on the Ravens.

587
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: He's a more accurate passer than Lamar.

588
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: He is he is, there's a question about that. Yeah, Yeah,

589
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: he's good. He is. He is. He's very poised, he's

590
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: very smart.

591
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: There's a lot to like at four is safety. Evan

592
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: Williams with the Packers.

593
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have known that. I mean, all the safeties

594
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: they brought in, he was the least the script. And

595
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: McKinney is not a rookie, but he had a I

596
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: think he had a pick the first four games of

597
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: a Packer uniform. And then they had Bullard in the

598
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: second round, and this dude was kind of an afterthought

599
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: but news to me. But I believe you, I'd rather

600
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: Jade and Daniels. Yeah.

601
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: Well the quarterback always trump'sat at three is lad Mconkeye.

602
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: He's somebody I wanted to talk more about in the

603
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: Fantasy Segment two or DFS. I think he's ready to

604
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: blow up like we thought. I mean he every game

605
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: got a little better, got a little better. Now is

606
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: a bye. Herbert's probably a little healthier.

607
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: Finally, he's not going to be certain this week?

608
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: True, true, true.

609
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: They're playing Denver.

610
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I think McConkie's set up for a

611
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: very big second half of the week.

612
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: I mean I thought, you know, this season he would

613
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: catch ninety plus passes and be their number one receiver.

614
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: It's trending that might be coming. Yeah. Yeah, when we

615
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: drafted receivers, I took him real high.

616
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: No, you bet at two Zach Frasier.

617
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: True, I mean, I bet he's in their top three centers.

618
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: He's number four, and Eric McCoy, who's number one, is hurt.

619
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: It's hurt.

620
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: He won't play the rest of the year.

621
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Let's say rag Noow is coming back. I don't know

622
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: if he's one of the top ones or.

623
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 2: Not, like eighth, somewhere in that range. The only two

624
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: guys ahead of him right now are Creed Humphrey and Linderbaum.

625
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: M I think that's the company we're going to be keeping,

626
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: and he may surpass them absolutely.

627
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: I mean, there aren't many. I'm not sure if there's

628
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: any if I trade him for those guys just because

629
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: you've got a couple more years. I think he's that promising,

630
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: like he might be the best center in the league

631
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: in three years, two years, or you know, battling Humphrey

632
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: and Linderbaum for the next decade. Like wow, we'd three

633
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame centers all at the same time. He's

634
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: that type of player.

635
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: So the Raiders will do some stuff this week where

636
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: they'll put five guys along the defensive front and put

637
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Crosby in the middle of it. Yeah, I want to

638
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: see that yeah.

639
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: I mean, as great as Crosby is, he could end

640
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: up on his back, yes, just because of the power

641
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: difference and the leverage difference. Or he might swim him

642
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: and he might, you know. I mean he's a handful.

643
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: But Fraser when he gets his hands on you, yeah,

644
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: look out.

645
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure YouTube is filled with them, but if you

646
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: search his highlights, it's rare. I mean, it's putting people

647
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: on their.

648
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: Back, players on their back in the league, right, And.

649
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: He moves better than I I love them coming out

650
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: West Virginia, but I didn't think he moved as well

651
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: as he has here. I thought there's a little more

652
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: stiffness than than he truly has. He's the whole package.

653
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's he's been great and he's only going

654
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: to continue to get better. He's he's a handful.

655
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought McCormick was really good this past week too.

656
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that Lee's number one Rock Bowers whose wheelers

657
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: will see this week?

658
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

659
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: So the top two according to Pro Football Focus, the

660
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: top two rookies in the NFL to this point are

661
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: playing this week.

662
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: Passes a sniff test. I mean, it's a slightly dis

663
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: respectful to Daniels I mean, but they're just going off grades.

664
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: They're not talking about who they their Rookie of the

665
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: year would be, right, I think those two have been

666
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl caliber players. I mean, how many how many

667
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: tight ends are having a better year than Bowers? Maybe none?

668
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: Maybe none, maybe because there's been guys hurt, There's been

669
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: guys that you know, just haven't done much that you

670
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: you look.

671
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: Kelsey's stepping up, but he started real slow, you know.

672
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: I mean, Kittle's been on and off the field. God,

673
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: he was great, but only for like two or three games.

674
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: You know.

675
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: The Bowers just had you know, an up and down

676
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, one game here or there

677
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 2: that haven't been great. But again, but the opportunity is there,

678
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: especially with Devontae Adams at the Steelers have better figure

679
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: out how they're going to handle this guy.

680
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's all over the target, right, I mean

681
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: him and Myers get all the targets. They would prefer

682
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: he got all the targets and they'll move them all

683
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: over the place and he'll block.

684
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he he locks his run after the catch

685
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: for a tight end is phenomenal. Kelsey like, yeah, it is.

686
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: It is young Kelsey like working his way down through

687
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: the through the defense, they'll get him the football. It's

688
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: not even a deep depth of target.

689
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: No, it's low. It's like five and a half hours downfield.

690
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: And yet but sometimes because they throw him bubble screens

691
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: behind the line of screens, you know, because they just

692
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: want to get him in his hands, and he still

693
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: gets eight. You know.

694
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: So that's I mean, that's definitely something that the Steelers

695
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: are going to have to be very cognizant of this week.

696
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where's he at? Where's he? Like? He's he

697
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: lines up in the backfield, he lines up in line,

698
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: he lines up in the slot about half the time,

699
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: and then out wide. Between his his out wide stuff

700
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: and his in line stuff, it's about fifty percent he's

701
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: I think he's taking three snaps in the backfield this year.

702
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: But that's a great way to free him up, as

703
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: we the Steelers did it last week with Connor Hayward. Yeah,

704
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: the pass down the sideline was a wheel route out

705
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: of the backfield.

706
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if he has any carries as a raider,

707
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: but in Georgia they give him jet sweeps, you know,

708
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: like you yeah, Darnold Washington's seal in the edge for him,

709
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: and you know, Georgia tight ends, you know. So, no,

710
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: he's going to be a phenomenal player and he already is. Yeah,

711
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: he's dangerous, so you know that's something he can get

712
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: downfield and.

713
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: He can go. Yeah, yeah, you don't. You don't want

714
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: to start biting too hard on all the short stuff

715
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he's running behind you

716
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: because this kid can run too.

717
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want a linebacker on him because he'll he'll,

718
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: he'll toast him and he beats up on corners physically.

719
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: I mean, and there aren't many safeties that are similar

720
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: builds or you know, able to deal with them. I

721
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: think Elliott will get the bulk of the work, but

722
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a you know, massive project for all.

723
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost you almost prefer for them to put

724
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: him in the slot, maybe just because okay, now.

725
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: We don't need to have more bodies around.

726
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: We don't have to have any Bishop on the field.

727
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: I don't want Bishop. That's that's not going to work, right.

728
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: I wonder how they handle that. It's not like they

729
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: have three great receivers, you know, Like I wonder if

730
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: Mayer plays is one thing you know he has not

731
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: been around.

732
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with him, but he's

733
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: not been. He's missing for personal reasons, and I hope

734
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: it's not anything that's right.

735
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: We don't know the answer. I hope he's fine. But

736
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: side note, their practice maybe so great.

737
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: In fact, we haven't gone over that. Let's let's do

738
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: that here real quick before.

739
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: Because we're gonna be different time zone, we probably won't

740
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: get today's. Yeah, it's ugly.

741
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: Let me find that here. What I said, I sent

742
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: that to you and Bob last night when I got

743
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: it because I got it late.

744
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she texted us.

745
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, this looks actually why you're looking for?

746
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: I got here? Okay. One thing I was thinking about, though,

747
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: is how do I get Beanie Bishop on the field.

748
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: If i'm them, probably need three wide receivers and they

749
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: don't have three good widers. You know, Like it'd be

750
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: different if Adams was in the mix, right, No, they.

751
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: Would be much different, much more tough difficulty. So Davante

752
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: Adams did not participate yesterday. He's not playing this game.

753
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: I think he ever will.

754
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: Max Crosby, with an ankle he missed a game two

755
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: weeks ago, came back last week. He didn't participate because

756
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: of that ankle injury yesterday, but he's going to play.

757
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had two sacks last week, but he's playing.

758
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: Injured linebacker Divine Diablo with the oblique injury was a

759
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: full participant. Linebacker Tommy Eikenberg with the hamstring was limited.

760
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: Michael Mehyer with the personal did not participate. Wide receiver

761
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: Tyreek McAllister at the shoulder was limited. Wide receiver Jacoby

762
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: Myers with an ankle injury did not participate.

763
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: That would be massive. I mean, he's their second most

764
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 3: important guy and second best skill guy.

765
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: Left tackle Colton Miller with knee and shoulder issues did

766
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: not participate.

767
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: I don't like here. In two things, No, that's not good.

768
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: I was going to say that Myers is our second

769
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: most important offensive player, but he isn't Miller's or second

770
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: most player, if not number one.

771
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: Safety Travon Morigg with the knee full participant. Offensive tackle

772
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: Thayer Munford with knee and ankle issues limited.

773
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: I thought there's a pretty slim chance he was going

774
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: to play.

775
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if he does play, he's going to be

776
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: limited going against t J.

777
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: Watt. Now Glaize is fresh Fish. You know, but Mumford's

778
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: not like he's great right down. No, it's not like, yeah,

779
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: he's not a confused.

780
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right guard Dylan Parham with an achilles was limited.

781
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: I assume Powers Johnson would be his replacement.

782
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, Powers Johnson with a knee did not participate.

783
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: Okay, because I keep telling myself, I need to figure

784
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: out what the story is there, because Powers Johnson has

785
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: to be better than white Hair. I mean white Hair.

786
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: The left guard has not been good for a.

787
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: Couple Apparently he's dealing with the knee issue.

788
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: Maybe Powers Johnson's got issues. I think he had some

789
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: sort of medical red flag coming out.

790
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: There were some stuff there. Yeah, and I thought it

791
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: was a knee h cornerback Richardson and I don't know

792
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: the first name here, hamstring limited wide receiver DJ Turner,

793
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: hamstring limited the three wide receivers. Yeah, actually, Connie Adams.

794
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: Connie Adams just cluster injuries, as we know, are really

795
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: hard to overcome.

796
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: Running back some mere White Ma's really.

797
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: Import for them. Yeah, somehow we'll get back for this.

798
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: Zamir White with a groin injury, did not participate. He

799
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: missed last week's game.

800
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: He's not great. But he's our best back.

801
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: And then safety Tray Taylor with a knee, was limited. Okay,

802
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: so they've got some issues there offensive line and wide receiver.

803
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: They both offensive tackles starters, wide receiver clumps. Two starting guards,

804
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: two starting guards too. Yeah wow, Okay, none of them

805
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: sound awful. None of them been ruled out, but except

806
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 3: for Adams, that would be nice. All right.

807
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what that looks like tomorrow. We'll get

808
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: more of a final. We won't have it in time

809
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 2: for the show, but we'll have a Thursday practice report.

810
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 2: We'll see how many of those gets.

811
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: It will be a day behind on shows, but it

812
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: was still a better idea the rest coast teams.

813
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get used to that. But I like the

814
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: rookie matchup. Yeah, rookie watch those guys on Sunday. Yeah,

815
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: keep an eye on those two very very promising rookies.

816
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: They could end up in the Pro Bowl, both of them,

817
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: you know, like they're playing at Pro Bowl level.

818
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

819
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

820
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt, and I'll be back

821
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Speaker 2: with more right after.

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Speaker 1: This the least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

823
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of

824
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

825
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: And welcome back.

826
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Speaker 2: I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and

827
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Speaker 2: this is of course the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

828
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Speaker 2: And you can hear us here on the Drive from

829
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: four to six every Monday through Friday during football season.

830
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Of course we both beyond football season as well, but

831
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: you can also download the app and the Steelers Ficial

832
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: Mobile app, watch the shore, listen to the show on there. Yeah,

833
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: and you can watch us on YouTube as well. That's

834
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: kind of a new adventure this year. Yeah, Tyler over there,

835
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: absolutely so, Matt. It was mentioning that the bruck Bauers stuff.

836
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: He leads all rookie tight ends and is fifteenth among

837
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: all pass catchers on third down conversions. He is fifteen

838
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: of his twenty eight catches have come on third downs

839
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: and he's converted those fifteen into first downs.

840
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's probably gonna be his career, you

841
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like on third down, we're going

842
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: to this dude money down. We can use him in

843
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 3: so many different ways. Even if he's short of the sticks,

844
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: he still might get it, you know. I mean he

845
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: can turn around in the zone and post up and

846
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: be big, and you know he's going to be red

847
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: alert on third downs.

848
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: So how about this little stat. Though opposing tight ends

849
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: have been targeted twenty two times against the Steelers on

850
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: third downs, they've allowed seven conversions to tight ends twenty

851
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: two percent. That his second best in the NFL.

852
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, I didn't realize the third down stuff, but

853
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they've been quite good against tight ends

854
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 3: overall too.

855
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have not allowed the tight ends to blow

856
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: up against them. Some catches here and there.

857
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: But they faced.

858
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Some good wines of some talented wins and pits and.

859
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: And Ferguson right. Right, he's a challenge, right.

860
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: If you look at it. For third downs for the Steelers,

861
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: Pickens has been pretty good on those things. He's been

862
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: their most reliable downfield threat. And the Raiders have struggled

863
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: against deep passes, allowing twenty eight receptions on throws of

864
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: ten or more yards down the field. That's the fourth

865
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: most in the league.

866
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they don't get home, their secondary can get

867
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: exposed a little bit.

868
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: I have a feeling, you know, we talk about we'll

869
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: often mentioned the squeaky wheel, yeah, situation.

870
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: I don't know how to think about that one, but

871
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: I would feed him a million targets.

872
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: I think George Pickens might have a blow up game

873
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: this week.

874
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 3: Okay, and everybody'll be happy again.

875
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: And everybody's been asked about it this week, and of

876
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: course the picking stuff. Pickens talked earlier today and really

877
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: didn't say a whole lot in regard to anything that happened,

878
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, in Sunday's game. But I thought Russell Wilson

879
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: was asked about it and he said, hey, look, George

880
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: is the very talented guy. We need George. We need

881
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: him to stay involved in And the great thing about

882
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: George is even when he's upset about something, he stays engaged.

883
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: He says, some guys when they get upset about something,

884
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: they just zone out and they're they're gone. He said,

885
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: George is a guy that doesn't do that. He's a competitor.

886
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: He's out there, he wants the football. He's fighting for,

887
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: you know, for the ball, and we need to get

888
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: him the ball.

889
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: Basically, he's your best playmaker, yeah, you know, and whatever

890
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: is going on off the field, I don't care. I mean,

891
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: if you're if it's time to beat the Races, football

892
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 3: needs to go to that guy a lot because their

893
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: corners don't really have an answer for him. And I thought,

894
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: by far, he's playing his best football in twenty twenty four.

895
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: And he was impressive his first years, you know, I

896
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: mean like he got the better pascertain you know, I mean,

897
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: and the numbers didn't necessarily reflect it. Certain might be

898
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year this year, he's been unbelievable

899
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: and that was his worst game. You know, he got

900
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: the better Terrell. This Raiders team doesn't anybody like that. No,

901
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: I mean I'm close.

902
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: No, And and it was kind of the same with

903
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: with the Colts, and.

904
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he ate the Colts alive. Yeah, exactly exactly. So

905
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: you know, I do think that not running the stack

906
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: boxes and you know, go he needs to get the football.

907
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith was asked about it because when when George

908
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: talked this morning, he said, you know, he's asked about

909
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: the fifty nine percent snapshare. He said, you know that

910
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: that was up to you know, Arthur, and you know,

911
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: I just do what I'm told. Yeah, And so Arthur

912
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: Smith talked today and he was asked about you know, Pickens,

913
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: you know, why wasn't he on the field more, And

914
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: he said, look, we're you know, usually go week to

915
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: week with game plans. Obviously last week we were in

916
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: a limited possessions, which they were Yeah, yeah, he said.

917
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: The big thing was is they wanted to get big

918
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: against the Cowboys and forced the Cowboys to put their

919
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: big package on the field.

920
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: Which is something we said one week ago. Yeah, because

921
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 3: they don't. They're the only it's seven defensive linemen after

922
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: Neeland got hurt for four spots.

923
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: And so you know, George wasn't in that big package

924
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: because you know, he's not as good a blocker as

925
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: some of these other guys, and so you know that

926
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: was that was a big part of it.

927
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I get that. It can be frustrating,

928
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 3: and Arthur Smith has a history in the fantasy community.

929
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: Why is this guy on the field. Why isn't Beijon

930
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: out there one hundred percent of the snaps? You know,

931
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: like he does get creative with his personnel usage, and

932
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: it is very to week for better or worse, So

933
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 3: a lot of time it works great. Nobody ever complains

934
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 3: when it works great, you know, and if the Steelers

935
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 3: are winning big or if they run eighty plays, maybe

936
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: it's not even an issue. You know, Pickens is out

937
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: there still sixty of them or whatever. But it used

938
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: to make me crazy that early on, and it doesn't

939
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: seem like it's still the case. The Steelers twelve package,

940
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: one back, two tight ends didn't a friar mouth in it. Yeah,

941
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: you know, for a good stretch all through preseason, and

942
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: then for the first week or two I think he

943
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: wasn't out there in twelve. Now they used a lot

944
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: of thirteen, they used a lot of eleven, and Firemuth

945
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: was out you know, he still played sixty seventy percent

946
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 3: of the snaps or whatever. And then this game in twelve,

947
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: Pickens wasn't out there. That was that was the package.

948
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: She was missing it. I mean any other time he

949
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: was out there, but when they played twelve, we only

950
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: played one snap and that's a big portion of your snaps.

951
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all that being said, like, so keep an eye

952
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: on this week.

953
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: I mean, if they're in twelve and he's not out there,

954
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: I don't know why, you know, but there's a reason

955
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: for it.

956
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: So they they attempted to passes two Pickens and Friarmuth

957
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: in the first half both went to Pickens. I guarantee

958
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: you that was not the game plan going into that game.

959
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: Let's not throw the ball to our two best guys,

960
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: all right.

961
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's not how it was designed.

962
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: You know, because by the by game's end, Pickens had

963
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: his seven targets and Friarmuth had I think four or

964
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: five by the by the time that game was over.

965
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: I'm kind of with you. The more we think through

966
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: it and talk through it, I bet Pickens gets double

967
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: digit targets in this game. It's not well over.

968
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just okay, you know, let's let's let's make

969
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: sure that this nipped us in the butt, and you know,

970
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: win games and put up points and see idea, throw

971
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: the football down the field and it's not necessarily always

972
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: catering to the player, but you're doing what you need

973
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: to do to win and if that helps you this

974
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: particular week, win okay. And I I can even understand

975
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: because we know because the quarterbacks have told us, and

976
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: you know, we've we've also heard it from Arthur Smith

977
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: that the game playing against it at Atlanta was to

978
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: avoid the middle of the field and those two safeties. Well,

979
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: the one thing that we know that Diggs does with

980
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: the Cowboys is intercept the football absolutely, and so I

981
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: just wonder how much of it, because Diggs was following

982
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: Pickens when he was out there, how much of that

983
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: was we don't want to necessarily go after stuff on

984
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 2: Digs or not stuff on Diggs Digs brother, Yeah, Quadry

985
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: Diggs or whatever his name is. I can't that's not

986
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: even it either.

987
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 3: I should know that too. And now I'm drawing black

988
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: too many digs and you dig dig it the most.

989
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: But that's the one thing he does is jump patterns

990
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: and take the ball away. So I just wonder how

991
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: much of that too, was, Hey, we we're not going

992
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: to throw as much at George with with digs on

993
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: him because we don't want you know, we're not going

994
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: to play with fire there. But you can't ignore your

995
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: best can't ignore your best receipvers. I think said he

996
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 2: did have a drop in that game too.

997
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: He did. And oh, by the way, he lost the

998
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: fumble that was very costly, very recently too. That was

999
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: can't be ignored, you know, I mean, like that's that

1000
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: hurt them bad? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, you gotta be more

1001
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: secure with the football. I also think there's a fine

1002
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: line and maybe it'd be different with Wilson and how

1003
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: much how much interception avoidance is too much? You know

1004
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, what's the fine line there? And

1005
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it's how the game's going,

1006
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: you know, like when they had to open things up

1007
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: against the Colts. Well, I think that went out the

1008
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: window a little bit. But if you can keep it

1009
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: within the shell of we're gonna avoid their best safeties

1010
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: or their takeaway corner, I get it. But I wonder

1011
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: if it would be the same with Wilson. I get

1012
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: that with duc Yeah, I even get that with Pickett.

1013
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: I get to a large degree with fields, but I

1014
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: would be less intercepted avoidance, you know what I mean.

1015
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be different with Wilson.

1016
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: I assume it'd be different with Wilson.

1017
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: Because you trust that there's more of a trust there with.

1018
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: The Wilson might not care what you're telling them, Like

1019
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: if you told Ben don't turn the ball, I'm just

1020
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it.

1021
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw what I see is open and I'm

1022
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: gonna I'm still a long time I don't need you,

1023
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: my ear Ben. Never let somebody take Antonio Brown out

1024
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: of a game, right right right, Even if he was

1025
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: and he was doubled all the time, it didn't matter.

1026
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw my guy the ball and trust him

1027
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: to go get the football because I have that kind

1028
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: of trust in the guy.

1029
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it absolutely seems like there's some immaturity going

1030
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: on with Pickings, no doubt. But he also has a point,

1031
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 3: you know, to some degree, like I'm the best guy,

1032
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: get me the football. I mean, it's the wide receiver

1033
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: arrogance we've seen our whole life, you know, like they

1034
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: all want the ball. Michael every won the ball. You know,

1035
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: it doesn't show me.

1036
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: He showed me a wide receiver that doesn't have that

1037
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: kind of arrogance. And again, as I said earlier earlier

1038
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: in the week, I'll show you a wide receiver is

1039
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: probably not in the league anymore. Yeah, I mean, I

1040
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: reference Larry Fitzgerald all the time. He's the kindest, nicest

1041
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: human being on the planet. But if we went a.

1042
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: Quarter or two without throwing Larry the ball, he wasn't

1043
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: real fun to be around from the sidelines, and he

1044
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: shouldn't be. You're like I'm better than all these guys.

1045
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: Give me the football, Get me the football. He is

1046
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly.

1047
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: You're listening to the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1048
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: That's going to do it for our number one, Matt

1049
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: and I will be back with our number two right

1050
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: after this