1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Sammy J. And welcome to season three 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: of the Letsbie Real Podcast. My goodness, that's weird to say. Um, 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: you cannot see me, but I have a ginormous smile 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: on my face. I am so honored that we are 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: launching our third season with the very talented Wayne Brady. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: This guy can do it all. And when I say that, 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: he can dance, he can perform, he can improvise like 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: no Weddy's business. And I've watched him for years and 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm so honored that he took the time to come 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: on my podcast. And I also just want to take 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: a quick moment before we get into the episode to 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: thank all of you for listening, for subscribing to d 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: m NG, me for just supporting this podcast, because I 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: honestly never thought we'd be here. I came up with 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: this podcast when I was going through a really rough 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: time and it was to help myself and to help 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: others if I could. And I'm so glad that you 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: guys have responded to this podcast in this way. I 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: hope you guys love this episode. It's the start of 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: so many great episodes in the third season. If you 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: haven't already, please subscribe to the Let's Be Real podcast 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: and leave a comment and I will see you guys 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: very soon. Enjoy it. Wayne Brady, I am so happy 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: you're here. Thank you so much for coming on my podcast. 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me let alone the first episode of 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: season three, which is so crazy to say. Congratulations. That's awesome, 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: especially since we did the entire second season during the 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: global pandemic. Um, which I want to talk to you 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: about because we're finally seeing the light at the end 30 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: of the tunnel, but we've been stuck inside for so long. 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about how it affected your mental health 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: in a little bit, But first, how did you deal 33 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: with it professionally? Well, my thing is a little different, 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: I think because I was working straight through the pandemic. 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: I was on the sitcom The Neighborhood. When when everything stopped, 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: then we had to pivot. We started working from my 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: my home, myself and my my production team, who was 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: my ex wife Mandy, who was my partner, and her 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: boyfriend Jason. We have a production company, so we started 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: shooting things here. We shot the A Tribute to Little 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: Richard for the b ET Awards. UM. We've done four 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: national commercials here countless corporate shows. So we were back 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: at work almost immediately making the hustle happen here. We 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: resumed production on some things I think early fall of 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: last year. That was a culture shock because now we 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: were back around people and everyone's getting tested. It's weird, 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: but it was really cool, and we managed to do 48 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: a whole season Let's Make a Deal um in a 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: COVID space and it ended up being amazing. So I've 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: had a great time working during pandemic. Wow. So was 51 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: the audience virtual? The audience for Let's to Make a Deal? 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: We have sixteen people that are part of a virtual 53 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: audience for then we had a small group of six 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: people that that were there with us live. So it 55 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: was a small audience, but it was It's so intimate 56 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: and still fun and and a great party Vigon. It's 57 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: like having a game night with your friends. See. I 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: feel like we could all use that now, especially I 59 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: don't know about Shoo, but I've been when I watched 60 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: TVs and movies now and I see people in a 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: crowded space, I'm like, why aren't they wearing a mask 62 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: or why aren't they social distancing? And the fact that 63 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: that's my instinct now is crazy. Well, it's not crazy, 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: because it's actually a part of of life. It's like 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: any any event that affects us as a culture, and 66 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: it affects us globally. So I think that the good 67 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: shows are the ones that have been able to reflect 68 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: real life, to show, hey, this has happened, or this 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: is happening. Certain shows tend to go, well, we don't 70 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: want to bring it up, and we're just gonna pretend 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. And for me, those are the ones 72 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: that I get taken out of because I go, wait 73 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: a minute, if you're saying that that happened last week, 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: no way, because people are still walking around in masks. 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: It's still an issue. That's it's super interesting. Have there 76 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: been any good TV show binges that you've been enjoying 77 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: over the past year. Oh man, I don't even just 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, I don't. I think 79 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: the Marvel stuff absolutely. Uh. One Division was a great binge. 80 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Um uh, definitely, The Falcon and The Winter Soldier great binge. 81 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: I took this opportunity. I'm an avid reader anyway, but 82 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: there were lots of books that I wanted to take 83 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: advantage of it, and things I wanted to write and 84 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: and and I tried to use this whole period at 85 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: the time to get ready. So so I tried to 86 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: binge on, binge on the things that I hadn't been 87 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: been doing in terms of being a creator. When I 88 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: was a senior in high school, I knew that if 89 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: I was going to watch show, I would binge the 90 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: entire thing. So I made a deal with myself that 91 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: under no circumstances during the fall semester, I would start 92 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: a new show because I knew I wouldn't focus on 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: a out. Yes, but I'm now happy to report that 94 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: as a freshman in college, I am ready to start 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: binging many shows. Congratulations, that's what I was telling my daughter. 96 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: You know, she she's a senior as well, and she 97 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: she got all of her her stuff done. And it's 98 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: amazing to see see seniors with with willpower, because I 99 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: don't know if I would have been able to handle 100 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: it being being a senior, being being stuck at home, 101 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: being responsible for for doing home, the homeschooling, and you've 102 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: got to get get your college stuff together while there's 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: such a big world of entertainment. Come on, that's hard. 104 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: So good job, Thank you. But the one good thing 105 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: I will say that out of the pandemic for me 106 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: is that the s E T a CT were canceled. 107 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: And I'm a terrible test taker, So that was the 108 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: one way I was like, thank goodness, because I just can't. 109 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a test taker. My brain doesn't work that way, 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: and not everyone brains does. I mean, that's a whole 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: different conversation in terms of of the standardized testing. You 112 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: know what what is standard? That's that's what I love 113 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: about being a creatively. What is standard? Your standard is 114 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: different than mine. I think a different way than you do, 115 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 1: So you cannot be expected to be judged on my level, 116 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: nor nor me on you. So judge each person as 117 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: as their individual merits come up, especially when when it 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: comes to matters of an intellectual nature. If you think 119 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: about it, everybody's brain is wired differently, So why are 120 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: we introducing things taking tests a certain way for every person? 121 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense because some some sometimes people 122 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: like a cookie cutter. That's why the you know, the 123 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: cookie that shaped differently sticks out. Um. But I find 124 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: that that that, especially in what what we do, it's 125 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: better to have your own point of view. It's better 126 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: to learn the things that you want to learn. And 127 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: that's the only piece of advice that I gave my daughter. 128 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: Or she just committed to to a Loyola Marymount and 129 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: I said, look, do whatever you want to do. She 130 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: wants to study theater, and she got accepted in the program. 131 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: It's great to do whatever you want to do, but 132 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: just make sure that you are approaching it in a 133 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: way that you want because ultimately, at the end of 134 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: the day, you know it's your your journey, and be 135 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: as different as you can. Don't don't try to walk 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: some someone else's path and and stay in the lines. 137 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: And that's something I really struggled with. High school is 138 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: not my biggest fan ever, um and it was you know, 139 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: when I live in New York City, when you go 140 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: to schools, it's what's popular, it's the way things are done. 141 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: People were the same things. And I always struggled with that. 142 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm at a point where I'm 143 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: finally starting to embrace and realize that being different and 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: being myself is actually a good thing instead of a negative. Yes, yes, 145 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: being yourself is not just a good thing, it's a 146 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: great thing, and I think it's necessary but you know, 147 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: this story never changes. I've been out of high school 148 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: a long time and it's the same. You know, it's 149 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: the same story. You want to fit in because we 150 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: are social preachers, we are social animals. We we we 151 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: like to be a herd. But you can be part 152 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: of the herd, and you can enjoy things that other 153 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: people enjoy. But at the end of the day, you 154 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: don't have to lose your identity. And that's the thing 155 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: that high school. I had a problem with in high 156 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: school as well, until I started acting and I was 157 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: exposed to so much into creativity and two people that 158 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: wanted to think differently, that that wanted to color outside 159 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: of the line, that wanted to do crazy characters, that 160 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: wanted to have weird conversations that challenged you. That that's 161 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: something I think that that you you can take with 162 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: you for for the rest of your life. I always 163 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: remind myself if I'm mad or upset with myself. First, 164 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: I realized to stop comparing myself, because second I realized 165 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: if I wasn't myself, I wouldn't have this podcast. Yes, 166 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad for that, and I think everyone should embrace that. 167 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: And I think social media also depicts this image where 168 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: especially being a teenager in this time period where we're 169 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: all on our phones, we need to just realize that 170 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: it's fake and if we embrace ourselves, that's what's best 171 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: for all of us. I think we didn't have social 172 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: media when I was growing up, and and and and 173 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: I wonder about that because my generation didn't have that pressure. 174 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: But what we did have was we still have the 175 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: same pressure that social media brings, except it was it 176 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: was oh, what jacket are you wearing? What music are 177 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: you listening to? Do you like the same things that 178 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I do? Um? Uh, those same things. But your generation 179 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: is it's so much harder because you've got pictures in 180 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: front of you every day saying this is how you 181 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: should look, this is the best way to do your makeup, 182 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: these are the artists that you should like. And if 183 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: you don't like these things, then I can then you're 184 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: not great. And social media is dope. It's a really 185 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: wonderful way to disseminate informa shan and and to get 186 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: comedy and to share experiences. But that's the downside that 187 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: I don't like. And as the parent of a team, 188 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: I've seen how it can influence and how it can 189 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: cause a lot of distress. Yeah, and it really affects 190 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: I think affected my mental health more than ever. During 191 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: I think winter break of my sophomore year, I was like, 192 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: I need to cut social media out. So for the 193 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: entire two weeks I shut my phone off and I 194 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: had so much extra time. I taught myself how to 195 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: play the ukulele. Because the amount of time I was 196 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: on my screen, it like my day opened up. You 197 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: taught yourself to play the ukulele. Yes I did, awesome, 198 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: Yes I did. It was fun. Do you have the 199 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: ukulele with you right now? I don't, but those two 200 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: weeks we're so lovely. I was on it. I tell 201 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: myself how to play somewhere over the rainbow. That that 202 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: that's a great use of time. I'm inspired now because 203 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: I keep saying that I won't be able to play, 204 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: and then it really well, Like I half heartedly can 205 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: play play the piano enough to write. But I thought, 206 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: you know the pandemic, I'll sit down and now really focus. 207 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: I didn't learn to play them so so so I 208 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: applaud you for your two weeks. Good job. I appreciate 209 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: that it wasn't out of a place of like motivation. 210 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: It was when my anxiety was at its worst. It's 211 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: actually the time I created this podcast because my anxiety 212 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: was so bad and I needed to take time out 213 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: and really ground myself and think about what inspires me 214 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: and honestly, sometimes negative situations. If I didn't have that, 215 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have this podcast. So I think when you 216 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: turn anything to a positive, you don't know what can happen. 217 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: And that's what life is. And it's great, big you 218 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: nailed it, and and that's why you shouldn't compare, because 219 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: you end up, especially in the entertainment business, you see 220 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: someone's journey and you're like, Wow, they've got X, Y 221 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: and Z. Why am I not there? You're exactly where 222 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: you're supposed to. The each event that has happened has 223 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: led you to that place. Like when I get interviews, 224 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: sometimes folks go, oh, are you saying you dance? You 225 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: actually do this pick one? I go no, And it's 226 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: not be being coy. It's because truly, if I didn't 227 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: do any of the things that I learned to do 228 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: or that are in me, we wouldn't be having this 229 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: talk right now because I wouldn't have been able to 230 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: do the show that got me to that place, so 231 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: that we're doing this, so we just need to embrace 232 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: the things that we've got and keep it moving exactly. 233 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: And though I was off social media for this two 234 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: weeks completely, I will say I have been on TikTok 235 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: way too much because of this pandemic, and I have 236 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: gone down the whole of it. It's possible, it is, 237 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: And I will say I love your TikTok. I am 238 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: I am entertained. How would you say that's your favorite 239 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: app at the moment for social media app? Um? Yes, yeah, 240 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: TikTok because I like, for someone who I've I've labeled 241 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: myself in the past, you know that I'm very much 242 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: an introvert and I'm not an incredibly sociable person when 243 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm not on camera or on screen, and and there's 244 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: nothing against other people. I just like my own company. 245 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: So TikTok opens me to the fact that I love 246 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: the TikTok community, Like I like watching people comments on 247 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: each other's pictures and for the most part, they're very positive. 248 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: People love seeing other people win, and that does something 249 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: for me. So that's why I do like that that app. 250 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: And if you'd have told me before the pandemic that 251 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: I would enjoy TikTok. I would have laughed at you. 252 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: In fact, I did laugh when when my daughter first 253 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: brought it up to me my league and she said, oh, 254 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: let's do a TikTok, Like, what, what the hell's it is? Now? 255 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: It's silly, I'm grown right, but but it's fun. It 256 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: really is. And I was hesitant for a while because 257 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: when I was like thirteen, I got into musically, which 258 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: is like what it was, and I would spend hours 259 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: doing these hand motions whatever it was, and it was 260 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: just I was hesitant to go back down that hole. 261 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: But I'm glad I did because it when you there's 262 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: a good and bad to every app of course, but 263 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: when you find the positive side of it, it's so 264 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: much fun. The editing is cool and and jumping on 265 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: the dance challenges are great, and I love watching people 266 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: use it to be creative. I think that's what TikTok 267 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: is really exploded into. The Creativity on TikTok is great. There. 268 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: The comedy on TikTok is great, and you can find 269 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: anything you want. It's almost like if you like battle rap, 270 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: there are people doing battle rap. If you like Polly TikTok. 271 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Then then then there's an amazing Polynesian TikTok and all 272 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: the cultural dances. If you like modern dance or jazz, 273 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: if you like comedy, a news TikTok, the socially conscious feed. 274 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: It's it's really opened my eyes to social media. So 275 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: I've stopped being angry and going I'm not going on 276 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: social media blah blah blah. Now I truly enjoy it, 277 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: and I will say I've been very inspired on there. 278 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of Emily and Abigail. 279 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: They created bridget In the musical where they love it. 280 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: It's great we had so we had them on this 281 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: podcast and it's they're doing it all in their house 282 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: and they just finished the concept album. I'm like, that's 283 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: incredible your generation. I'm telling you, I'm so proud of 284 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: you guys. Because TikTok um I was involved in Ratatui 285 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: the Musical and it started off the same way. It 286 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: was a concept, and all of a sudden, the community 287 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: ran with that concept and the next thing you know, 288 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: you have something where all these Broadway stars where we're 289 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: all online doing Ratitui the Musical, and now bridgets in 290 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: the musical has a concept album, and all these people 291 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: have tuned into it. TikTok is changing the way that 292 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: we view getting things done. In response to your first 293 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: question about handling the pandemic, I think that's the coolest 294 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: thing that I've seen. The pandemic has shown me, and 295 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: you're a perfect example of it. Just because your circumstances, 296 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: you're stuck here and you can't do something outside, you go, 297 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to get this done and 298 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: it happens. That's amazing to me. You don't need to 299 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: wait for anyone to make something happen, So that's off. 300 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest things is that for 301 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people with my generation, we don't necessarily 302 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: ask permission to do something. We do it and then 303 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: whatever comes from it comes from it. Yeah, we've been 304 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: going through the pandemic for about a year and a 305 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: half now, and the pandemic mixed with social media, it 306 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: can affect your mental health in a lot of ways. 307 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: We have to take a quick break, but when we 308 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: come back, I want to talk to you about the 309 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: cocktail of the pandemic and mental health and how you've 310 00:16:52,440 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: been dealing with it. We'll be right back, and we're back. 311 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: Let's get into the pandemic and mental health. First off, 312 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: how are you doing? I mean, I suppose it's been 313 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: like everyone in the sense of I and the rest 314 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: of my family. We engage in therapy regularly, so we 315 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: have so we make it a point to reach out 316 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: to our therapists and we talk. We talked to each other. 317 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: We have family therapy and we have individual therapy. And 318 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: years ago, I kind of thought that therapy was, you know, 319 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: the the old thing is, I'm not sicker, I'm not crazy. 320 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: Why do I need therapy? And use those words that 321 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: are very, very rough, you know about therapy, until I 322 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: really realized the therapy it's simply a way of you talking, 323 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: and and the more you can talk and share, you 324 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: can lighten that load, not just for yourself but for 325 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: someone else. So my mental health, I'd like to think 326 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: it was decent because I kept using those tools which 327 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: in a place where we were shut down, you couldn't 328 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: have any interaction with your friends or family. I didn't 329 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: see my mom for a year and a little bit. 330 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Um it can get dark, and I know that that's 331 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: what Whether you're a teenager, you're an adult or whatever. 332 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: You need that sense of connection, so we really dug 333 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: into the therapy to keep our sense of connection and 334 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: sense of self. I've been going to therapy on and 335 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: off since I was I think seven, and I don't 336 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: understand why there's a stigma with it, because just like 337 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: with exercising your body, it's exercising your mind and becoming 338 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: the best person you can. If you have more strategies 339 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: to help you if you have anxiety or depression or 340 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: O c D, like, utilize those because it can really help. 341 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: Well that that wasn't the narrative, you know, the weird narrative. 342 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: I think the narrative about your mental health goes hand 343 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: in hand with the outdated thing of telling little boys 344 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: to to act like men. I'm telling girls to to 345 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: be a lady. There are all these outdated modes of 346 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: thinking that have been passed from generation to generation, and 347 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: the mental health peace was one of it. Is like, 348 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: it's okay to be physically strong and to suck it up. 349 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Man up, that's what you heard a lot, man up? 350 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: Man up? Well what does that mean? What does that mean? 351 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Or like do you play like a girl? It's like, okay, 352 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: I what is that supposed to be men sold I 353 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: am a girl, right those those those are so outdated. 354 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: So I think I think once again, your generation is 355 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: part of the push to change all of those narratives, 356 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: to show that therapy isn't a dirty word. It isn't 357 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: to be stigmatized. You. You are not to be shunned it. 358 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: You shouldn't be afraid of telling your friends, oh, I 359 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: may be in mental distress without it being a thing. 360 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: It's it's it's It should be just as commonplace. You're 361 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: right as going to the gym, Like I'm gonna go 362 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: to the gym, and then after the gym, I'm going 363 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: to my therapist because I'm going to work out here 364 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: here and here, you know exactly, And you know, I 365 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: remember the thing in the beginning of high school, I 366 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone I went to therapy, and some of 367 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: my old friends their parents um said it was for 368 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: the crazy. So if I ever brought it up, it 369 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: was for the crazy. So I didn't tell anybody, and 370 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: I think that brought a little bit of shame to it. 371 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: But when I realized how much I was growing as 372 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: a person and other people weren't, it just made me 373 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: realize Okay, I'm doing what's right for me. If they're not, 374 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: that's their issue, right, It's health. Yeah, that's why it's 375 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: mental health. It's so weird to me that there is 376 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: not a stigma in everyone's head about smoking or doing 377 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: some something that can damage your body, but there's stigma 378 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: about getting health, health and healthy forward for your mind 379 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: and your heart. For example, jeweling right, social media and 380 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: teams they normalize and be like, oh, I'm just going 381 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: to hit the jewel and so that became normal and 382 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: not a bad thing. So why don't we just normalize 383 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: therapy whereas actually, because it's that's actually normal, and don't 384 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: do that with things that aren't good for you. Well, 385 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: you're a part of that conversation by you having this 386 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: talk right now, and you're using your platform, you're a 387 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: part of the normalization process to your peer group. So 388 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: that's why why we need conversations like this. Yeah, and 389 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: that's what I set out to do with this podcast. 390 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: You know, I feel like there's so much fakeness, and 391 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the time there are so 392 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: many media trained answers and things are so protected. But 393 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: if we're just have an honest conversation and it helps 394 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: one person feel less alone, Like, think of what that 395 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: could do. Yeah, that's why I just realize. I was like, yeah, 396 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: like the name of your podcast, that's the thing, you know, 397 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: Let's be real. That's what it is. That that that 398 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: if you can just cut to the chase of of 399 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: be be real with with where where you are mentally, 400 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: be real with the fact that if you need help, 401 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: be real with how you're feeling. No, nothing bad can 402 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: come out of you truly connecting with your feelings. Yeah. 403 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: And it's also it's okay to not be okay all 404 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: the time. I think that's important to Yeah, yes, just 405 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: say that. And that's fine because we're are new changes, 406 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: you know. Ah, thank goodness for for you man. That's 407 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: really we need this message spread far and wide and 408 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: it has to come out just as naturally as all 409 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: the other stuff that we end up spreading on social media. 410 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: So so for so feel like to me that if 411 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: somebody wants to be an influencer, you know, no, no, 412 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: that every young person wants to be an influencer in influence, 413 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: this influence, mental health, influence, being able to connect and communicate. Yeah, 414 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And I think the other thing 415 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: that's so interesting is to normalize something is important. But 416 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: sometimes if you don't, especially on TikTok or social media, 417 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: people are like, I'm having an anxiety attack. It's like, no, 418 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: you're anxious. There's a difference, and I think when people 419 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: don't distinguish that it takes away from people who are 420 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: actually struggling. So there's a balance with everything. Well, it's education. 421 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: So if we normalize everything, and if we have the 422 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: discussions about mental health, then people will know the difference 423 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: between that they too. They will know how to communicate 424 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: in the language of therapy. They will know how to 425 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: talk about how they feel right now, because it's not common. 426 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: People are just taking their best stabs at it. That's 427 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: why why they say saying things like that. I will 428 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: say something that's helped me with my anxieties distraction. When 429 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm distracted, I don't worry about my thoughts and I 430 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: will say I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes when I've been 431 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: really anxious, I do watch whose lines it anyways, and 432 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: it actually does really help distract me and it brings 433 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: me some laughter. Right up, I have some questions for 434 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: you regarding that, so I know it's all on the spot. 435 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: But do you not have any preparation at all? No, 436 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: there's no preparation none. That's beyond amazing to me. I mean, 437 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: besides improv and having no heads up, it's also the 438 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: songs you guys create on the spot. It's genius. Thank you. 439 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: You've done whose Line for many years now, what would 440 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: you say your favorite memories are? There are things that 441 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: we've done on whose Lines that that have touched me 442 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: because of the people I've done it with, Like getting 443 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: improvised with Robin Williams. That's a dream to to to 444 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: be able to do things things like that with with 445 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: and this is the old version, not the version that 446 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: we have on the c W now, but Robin Williams, 447 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: Whoopie Goldberg, to meet some of my comedy heroes. Those 448 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: are the moments that I go, oh, man, I remember 449 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: that that. That was completely awesome. But in terms of 450 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: remembering the moments and the specific game, not necessarily because 451 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: you're just having fun for us doing the show. It's 452 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: like when you hang out with your friends, you're just 453 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: doing the thing that's in the moment, and then it's 454 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: finished and then you look at it later. I'm still 455 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: surprised when when I go back and like my daughter 456 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: will be watching something or a couple pop up on 457 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: BuzzFeed or someone goes, hey, you look at this. I go, oh, 458 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: that's really cool. Oh my gosh, that's funny as hell. Okay, 459 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: so so I kind of yeah. So so that's that's 460 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: my fun is being it later and being reminded of it. 461 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: I find improv so interesting and so fun to watch, 462 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: and from the outside looking in, you make it seem 463 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: so easy, even though it is so not. My cousin 464 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: actually took a couple of improv classes, that's good, and 465 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: he was telling me how hard and difficult was at first, 466 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: but that the more he got comfortable with it, he 467 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: had a new sense of confidence. Do you remember the 468 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: first time you ever improvised? No, not really, because I 469 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: think it was in a class setting thing. Um. But 470 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: oh but but I will say, I'm so happy for 471 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: for your cousin. And even though I don't remember the 472 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: first time I did it, I do remember the sense 473 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: of of of confidence that does come from once it's 474 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: a skill that you've started to open. And this is 475 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: where people get get tripped up just because you see 476 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: us do it on who's line, You aren't supposed to 477 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: be able to do it. I mean like, really, when 478 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: you watch a football game, are you gonna run down 479 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: on the field and you mean to tell me you 480 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: think right now you can play as well as any 481 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: of the guys on that football team that have put 482 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: in years of work. It's a it's a skill set. 483 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: It's a real skill set. Do you go and you 484 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: tell tell your doctor, oh, you know what the surgery 485 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: thing looks like. No, it's a skill set, so first 486 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: let that go. If you take an improv class, don't 487 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: worry about being funny. This is the methodology that I 488 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 1: try to tell people. It's about learning the skills that 489 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: can unlock that self confidence for you, like you're saying 490 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: that that your cousin has. When when I've taught in 491 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: the past and there's there's a curriculum that I'm working 492 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: on and I and a piece of my company that 493 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: we're going to start doing doing applied improvisation to to 494 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: core to businesses and this has been happening for years, 495 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: I would do that, well, well, that's part of what 496 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: what what we're gonna be doing and part part of 497 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: what different companies have have done. It's to teach the 498 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: skill set of yes and of listening, of the communication. 499 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: It's not about being funny. It's to be able to 500 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: give you the power to stand on stage, to be 501 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: able to speak to someone. Because if you really think 502 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: about the energy that it takes for a lot of people, 503 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: not not everyone, because there are people who are born communicators. 504 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm not one of those people. The energy that it 505 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: takes me to be able to start a conversation with 506 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: someone that I don't know, right, Like you're starting from zero, right, 507 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: it's amazing you. Oh no, I've got to talk to 508 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: this person. What am I going to say? Huh? Improvisation 509 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: or learning those basic tenants gives you a foundation in 510 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: public speaking. You can look someone in the eyes, you 511 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: can talk to them, you can make your point clearly. 512 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: You you don't have to beat around the bush. You 513 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: can open your mind to different avenues of thinking and quickly. 514 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: The funny part, that's an that's an add on. That 515 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: is a very skill specific thing, the basic skills of it. 516 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: That's what I wish that because those skills are actually 517 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: kind of tied into what we're talking about. Those are 518 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: therapeutic skills. The the the listening piece and and the 519 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: communication piece. Those are all therapeutic pieces that improv locks 520 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: into what would you say your favorite go to improv 521 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: exercises when I'm teaching or my favorite Uh, I think 522 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: that I love any exercise that opens that opens your 523 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: mind in terms of your pathways and and makes your 524 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: thinking flexible. So so it can be any exercise. It 525 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: just has to be something that gets you thinking. So 526 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: even if it's something silly, like there's an improv because 527 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: called called one Worder Time Story where you're listening to 528 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: somebody else and trying to tell a story. Or this 529 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: thing called Bunny Bunny Bunny where where it's a physical 530 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: game where you're in a circle and you're passing a 531 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: money and people are jumping around. It's it's it's big 532 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: and silly, but it's designed to free you up. So 533 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 1: those are the things I think so in a classroom setting, 534 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: those are good good exercises. I loved what you said 535 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: about how it's it's like the therapy exercises is communicating, 536 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: is looking people in the eye. Um, you've done so 537 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: much is or something you haven't done yet that you 538 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: want to do the list of things that I haven't 539 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: done is almost greater than the list of things that 540 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: I've done. Um, I have so many things that I'd 541 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: love to finish. UM and projects that i'd love to 542 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: be involved in, Films that I'd love to do, roles 543 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: on Broadway that I'd love to create, projects that I 544 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: want to write, songs that I want to sing. I 545 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: think that you should have that list until the day 546 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: you lead the earth. That you should never just go ah, 547 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm done. You should write a musical. Have you Have 548 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: you written a musical? I feel like it would be incredible. 549 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Oh well, I thank you for that voter confidence. Were 550 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: We're working on a Broadway show right now that we 551 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: had a development for about a year and a half 552 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: to two years that will have music in it that 553 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: knock on wood. That will be something that that I'll 554 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: be taking a Broadway next year. But I just like 555 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: telling stories, so if it happens to take the form 556 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: of musical, then I would be on. I'm so excited 557 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: that Broadway is coming back. It's official. Like I've seen 558 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: on Instagram people like at these shows and I'm like, oh, 559 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: but one time I want to be in New York. Yeah. 560 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: Last time I was on Broadway was a was over 561 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: a year and like almost a year and a half ago, 562 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: when I was with Freestyle Love Supreme, I saw that 563 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: Broadway come on Back, Baby. Yes. So one of my 564 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: favorite things about Freestyle of Supreme is they take your 565 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: phone that you can't access them. That was like that. 566 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: This is refreshing, not only for the social media aspect. 567 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: I love the fact that Lynn and Tommy wanted to 568 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: do that. But to your question about some something like 569 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: who's lying, I love the fact that that experience that 570 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: you have as an audience member that night, that's it. 571 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: You don't have the video, you can't go back, you 572 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: can't post it. It speaks to the essence of improvisation. 573 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: The thing that you like that night is only going 574 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: to live on in your memory, and that is such 575 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: an amazing way to present arts. My grandma's professional pianist. 576 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: We grew up on musicals. Is there a certain musical 577 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: that you wish you could be in on Broadway? If 578 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: you could choose any musical, be any character in that musical, 579 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: what would it be? Hm. I'm lucky enough that I've 580 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: gotten to be in some of the musicals that I 581 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: really loved, Like I was Lola and in Kinky Boots, 582 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: Hamilton and Hamilton's Billy Flynn in Chicago, and and I 583 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: mean I wish I was Tom Collins and Rent Uh. 584 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: I wish that I could have been seaweed in hair spread. 585 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: I wish that I would have been seaweed and hairspray. 586 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: That that's something that yeah, yeah, I really wanted to 587 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: be seaweed and hairspray. Okay, we have to take one 588 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: more quick break. But when we come back, as a 589 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: huge Hamilton's fan, I want to hear about your experience 590 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: playing Aaron Burr in Hamilton's. We'll be right back, and 591 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: we're back. Let's talk about your experience in Hamilton's. Okay, 592 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: first of all, what was that? Like, I've done a 593 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: lot of musicals in my life, but doing Hamilton's was 594 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: the closest that you could get to being in a 595 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: rock concert or a spectacle that as soon as you 596 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: walk out, like starting off the show was berg. You know, 597 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: we hear whether they done, done, done, my open night, 598 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: you hear then, and then it's just so you can't 599 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: even hear the music when to come in on how 600 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: how does the Bestard Orphan sona? But you can't hear 601 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: that because the audience, especially at that point because it 602 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: really was just a year after the first cast, so 603 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: it's still like an event. So people are watching that 604 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: show like it's their favorite pop star or their favorite 605 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: rapper or someone they came knowing every word so like 606 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: singing along with you and looking you in the eye 607 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: in the front row. You're like, I can't mess these 608 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: words up because these a little sixteen year old kids 609 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: will will will be mad at me after the show. 610 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: It's it's amazing. It truly is one of the highlights 611 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: of my career. Just amazing. When when I saw it after, 612 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: I felt like I was floating. It was the weirdest experience. 613 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: It was the most because you feel every emotion in 614 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: that show quite everything. It's a it's a to roller coaster. 615 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: I felt that Lynn Lynn has an amazing job in 616 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: Tommy Tomic Kale as the director as a team. When 617 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: I first saw In the Heights, I felt that way. 618 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: I saw In the Heights like five times right off 619 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: the bat before I ever met you met Lynn, And 620 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: then in seeing Hamilton's for the first time, I felt 621 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: that way. You know that you're seeing something that is new, 622 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: it's broken the paradigm of what musicals are. You leave going, 623 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so inspired. I'm ready to just 624 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: oh this is great. That's I felt the same way. 625 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: I love that feeling. I love that feeling. It's magical, 626 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: and I think that's what That's what musicals do. They 627 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: tell a story in a way that when it's live, 628 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: it's so incredible. Nothing like it. What would you say 629 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: the best advice you've ever received is that you wish 630 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: you could pass on? Um, I'd say the best advice 631 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: is actually very simple advice that it's not gonna sound 632 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: like it's groundbreaking, But the older I get, and the 633 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: longer that I've been in business, the longer that I've 634 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: been alive, it makes more sense to me. It truly 635 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: is know who you are. Get to know yourself, and 636 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: the reason why I think it's such good advice, and 637 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: it's easier said than done, especially when you're in a 638 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: business where your job is to play, make believe or 639 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: it's too even if you're a personality on TV or 640 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: a talk show or a podcast, you are a heightened 641 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: version of yourself. If you get to know who you are, 642 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: right decisions become easier. If you know the things that 643 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: you like, if you know the things you don't like. 644 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: If you know the people that you want around you, 645 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: if you know the things that you will fight for, 646 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: if you know the things you will settle for, if 647 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: you know the crap you won't take. If you know 648 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: those things, your decisions almost become magically easy. You don't 649 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: have to stress about it. If if something is presented 650 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: to you and you know I will not accept that, no, 651 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: thank you, Well that's really what I want to do. 652 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing this. It took me a long time to 653 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: learn myself, to become myself. And I tell that to 654 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: my daughter or two young actors when I teach. I 655 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: spent I think the first five years of my on 656 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: TV career not knowing who I was because that wasn't 657 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: the path that I thought that I would be presented. 658 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I've got all these options. 659 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared to go yes or no. I was like, sure, okay, 660 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: I guess no. Good decisions are not made with I guess. 661 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: So if you're younger and you start the process now 662 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: of saying this is what I want, and it doesn't 663 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,959 Speaker 1: mean that it's gonna stay that way, because you're gonna 664 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 1: change who you are now, different, who you will be 665 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: as some of that graduate college, who you will be 666 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: at thirty, who you will be for the rest of 667 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: your life. But you can keep updating that list as 668 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: long as you've got a good baseline. That's the thing. 669 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: Don't wait until you're thirty to start figuring out who 670 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: you are. That's what I did. It was like, Oh, 671 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I'll start that work now. No, 672 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: get into it. That's a great piece of advice. It's 673 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: so important. We should all live by that more well, lad, 674 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: I can help when you're creating projects. How do you 675 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: balance your vision for something while pleasing other people and 676 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: trying to make something that the audience will still like. 677 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: I've created a couple of shows, but I mean, I 678 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: think I can speak from the perspective of working with 679 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: great people who have created the shows that that I've 680 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: been on. Once again, you can't you can't worry about 681 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: making the audience happy. Now I say that, of course 682 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: the audience has to be happy. You want to create 683 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: a show that people watch, so that just goes without saying. 684 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: So when I say don't worry about making the audience happy, 685 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't mean you creating a vacuum and go whatever. 686 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: What I mean is, if you've got a story like 687 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: this is the story that is going to be told, 688 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: as long as the story is told masterfully, and he's like, 689 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: this is the story. You're not going to make everybody 690 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: happy because not everyone has the same taste. Yeah, we 691 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: we sit at home all the time. There are some 692 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: my favorite shows that I watched and I go, no, 693 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: she shouldn't be with him. I would have had her 694 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: go with the other boyfriend that she had in high school, 695 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: but that wasn't the story that they told. So I 696 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: think as long as you pick a lane, this is 697 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: the story, and you rock with it and you go 698 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: and you are fully committed to it, even if someone 699 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: doesn't like it, they have to respect the effort and 700 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: what it is. I completely agree with you, and I 701 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: think that's something that I'm struggling with a little bit, 702 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: focusing on what I want but also trying to make 703 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: things marketable, what's appealing. And it's a really interesting balance. 704 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: But I think you're so right, and you just have 705 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: to follow your instincts. But but there is a balance, 706 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: and so I think the balance starts with, you know, 707 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: the marketplace. What's an idea that people would like to 708 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: see present that idea, but do it your way. My 709 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: dad always says, he says, you know, if everyone could 710 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: do it, that it would be easy. Exactly, if everyone 711 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 1: could do it, it would be easy. That's that sums 712 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: it all up. And that goes back to whether you're 713 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: at home going oh, I can't do that improv thing, 714 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: or or whether you're watching How How I Met your 715 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: Mother going well, that ending stuck. You didn't do it. 716 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: Someone did it. Someone else put a lot of work 717 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: and became an outlier to be able to crash that thing. 718 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: I think also it's appreciating the art and just the 719 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: journey of it. I think that's we are a lot 720 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: of time as a society we focusing on We focus 721 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: on the ending of something, then we forget about how 722 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: wonderful the entire thing was as a whole. I feel like, yes, 723 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: go ahead, speak on it. Your so good? Yeah, Well, 724 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: thank you Wayne for coming on my podcast. I this 725 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: conversation has really inspired me, and I'm excited good for 726 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: everything that's to come. And I know you're working on 727 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm excited for the possible Broadway sometime 728 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: next year. Keep your eye out, it's gonna be good. 729 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be really good. Okay, I will come many 730 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: times to the show. Okay, I hold you to that. Yeah, 731 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: absolutely well, thank you. It's my pleasure and I truly do. 732 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I got it off to to you. 733 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: I support you, and I'm wishing the best for you. 734 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: Go out there and kill it. Thank you guys so 735 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: much for listening to the first episode of season three. 736 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed it. Wayne if you're If 737 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 1: you're listening, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. 738 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: I cannot express to you how surreal and special that 739 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: conversation was to me. If you haven't already subscribe to 740 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: the podcast, leave a comment something you like, maybe something 741 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: you didn't like, suggestions for other people you want to 742 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: have on. I love to read your moments. You can 743 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: also DM me and follow me on Instagram at it 744 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: Sammy J. That's I T S S A M M 745 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: Y J A y E. I love talking to you guys, 746 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: season three. Get excited, you guys. Next week I have 747 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: a very special guest, a friend of mine that, trust me, 748 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: you won't want to miss. I'll see you next week. 749 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: By