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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles,

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: a digital research analyst at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue,

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Speaker 1: where she researches online hate, extremism disinformation in the US.

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Speaker 1: It's being Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for welcome. Oh, thank you for stopping by, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You for being here on our silly show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to talk about serious things because it's a big

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Speaker 2: year ahead.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty. Fourth.

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Speaker 2: From what I hear, what I'm hearing, it sounds like

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Speaker 2: good people.

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Speaker 1: Keeping saying that, and I'm like, what, like why, what's

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Speaker 1: the big what's going on? Is it because of the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl? Because I was.

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Speaker 3: I was already involved in politics in twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 3: that was probably one of the most stressful years of

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Speaker 3: my life.

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Speaker 4: Hands down. It was non stop.

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Speaker 3: I think I had like four or five just straight,

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Speaker 3: like seven day weeks in the office till one two

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Speaker 3: in the morning, ordering food, getting rashes, from the stress.

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Speaker 4: It was just awful. I can't just going to be

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Speaker 4: it was.

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Speaker 3: It was mostly just all the prep work, all of

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Speaker 3: the like, because I'm researched extremism vaguely then, and it

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Speaker 3: was like getting all of the seed lists to get

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Speaker 3: all getting all the groups, to get all the discord

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Speaker 3: chats to kind of make the way so when things

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Speaker 3: kind of popped off, Yeah, but things popped off then,

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Speaker 3: like I.

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Speaker 5: Was in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: I'm always amazed at, like, you know, people like you

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Speaker 2: and your colleague Jared Holt, who we've had on the

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Speaker 2: show many times, and he was like, you got to

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Speaker 2: talk to Sabine he got on Like of course then

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Speaker 2: if you say, Joe, like, we love the work you do.

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Speaker 2: But I'm always amazed at like how people get into

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Speaker 2: monitoring extremism, Like what how what was your journey there?

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Speaker 2: Like what were you doing, Like I know you said

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Speaker 2: twenty twenties when you start to get into it, what

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Speaker 2: were you doing in like twenty eighteen, Like was things

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Speaker 2: very different or what was your sort of path into

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Speaker 2: this kind of work?

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Speaker 3: Really funny, I actually started doing this as a joke.

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Speaker 3: I was in college of twenty eighteen twenty nineteen. I

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Speaker 3: was in anthropology major. I recently switched and in Cells were

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Speaker 3: like the big laughing stock punching back to the Internet

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Speaker 3: at the time. I think ContraPoints had her video on

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Speaker 3: in Cells and I was like obsessed with it, and

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Speaker 3: so from my thesis I was like, Oh, how about

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Speaker 3: what if I did like a funny ethnography on like

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Speaker 3: the inner lives of in cells, like as a goof

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Speaker 3: for my the It doesn't matter, I'm already going to graduate.

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Speaker 3: I did it, and then I that was December twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: and then I looked for in twenty twenty January and

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Speaker 3: I got picked up by gq are, which is like

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Speaker 3: a polling consortium, and they were looking for researchers who

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Speaker 3: that and then worked for the whole election season and

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Speaker 3: I ended up becoming my career path fully on accident.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And are you embracing that? I know you say

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Speaker 2: like it's on accident, but I mean, like.

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Speaker 3: The field and the people are really great, and it

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Speaker 3: just ended up being a really good mix for me.

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Speaker 1: Right, something tells me you're a pretty good student. When

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Speaker 1: you do a thesis as a goof and get away

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Speaker 1: with it. I'm like, damn, this is really fucking good.

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Speaker 1: Killed that thesis. Maybe you want to do this for

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Speaker 1: a living higher them. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. What is

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Speaker 1: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 6: I last night the last thing I googled was the

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Speaker 6: forty nine ers because I wanted to give myself a

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Speaker 6: forty nine or Valentine's nail, some Valentiners and I did it. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: the people at home k oh shit, logo, look at

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Speaker 6: the logos. Yeah, and I did a forty nine Oh shit,

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Speaker 6: damn lip prints.

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Speaker 6: I like doing my nails, and I was like, ooh,

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Speaker 6: it's Valentine's Day, the Niners going to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna do SF Valentiner nails.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah. Yeah. We have a family.

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Speaker 6: My family. When my parents came to from El Salvador,

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Speaker 6: hardcore Joe Montana fans immediately because they were just like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: and so my parents have always been Niner fans since

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Speaker 6: Niner fans. And my brother is so excited that they're

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Speaker 6: to kick it with the family, which I always like.

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Speaker 6: So okay, I got my nails ready for the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, m did Christmas? You know, just so many chips,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what's the spread? What's the spread like for

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Speaker 6: Do you never know? My mom likes to do different things.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes she'll order everything, sometimes she'll make everything. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't think she's thought about it yet,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as are you partaking this year? I didn't really know.

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Speaker 2: I don't have plans, but I mean passively I'll end

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Speaker 2: up doing I mean, like maybe have it on in

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Speaker 2: I mean I got to catch that halftime show. Uh,

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Speaker 2: but no, I don't really. I mean I've as a kid,

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Speaker 2: NFL when like everybody was into the NFL.

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Speaker 1: In the nineties.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, when Dion Sanders was playing with

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Speaker 2: going back and forth with that whole thing. But then

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Speaker 1: So I was just you know, yeah, there's a great

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Speaker 1: latest update that during he would call his wife from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, calling his wife because he realized he could. And

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Speaker 1: Then he just like pointed John Candy, what's on the side,

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Speaker 1: and then he was like all right, let's go out,

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh man, you've seen planes, trains and automobiles.

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Speaker 1: Oh that shit is so funny.

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Speaker 6: I love that. That's how you know someone's really good

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Speaker 2: Yeaeah exactly. And they're like, yeah, all right, we back

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Speaker 2: in it. Okay, yeah, but that was John Candy, right, okay, yeah, and.

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Speaker 6: It's John Candy.

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Speaker 6: That motherfucker was huge in the eighties and nineties, so

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Speaker 6: that was like probably like oh shit, yeah right, a.

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Speaker 1: Great taste, you know, great they knew John Candy was

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Speaker 1: like recognized that of all the celebrities, all the eighties celebrities,

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Speaker 6: There's a big motherfucker you you can spott.

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Speaker 1: That's true. It's also for practical purposes, he could get

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Speaker 6: I do love that that phone story because the wife's

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Speaker 6: the first time it happened. She was just like, I

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah, he's crazy. Right, the phone works

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Speaker 1: like a real phone, he said.

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Speaker 6: He said, he was like, he just was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's adorable, so cute. I know what a what

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Speaker 1: a little like love story. I know, it's I love it.

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Speaker 2: They're still together, yeah, okay, good, that would have been wild.

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Speaker 6: God it was a good man right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Joe Montana, what a name to Joe Montana.

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Speaker 6: And that's and that's the other thing. That was my

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Speaker 6: other thing with the Niners, the associated oh Joe Montana.

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Speaker 6: So like when he came out when the Niners won

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Speaker 6: the last game, he came out, my mom was like

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Speaker 6: it's like, he's such a fucking huge So it's cool.

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Speaker 6: It's just cool. It's just kind of nice to see that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 7: Over rated? Okay, so I am. I will just say this.

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Speaker 7: I live in an area that is very much becoming

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Speaker 7: heavily gentrified, and they just put and I still don't comprehend.

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Speaker 7: And I guess, Okay, so I understand why there's a

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Speaker 7: Starbucks on every corner. However, they just put another Chick

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Speaker 7: streets that, yes, like there's a Chick fil A right

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Speaker 7: on one side when you get off on the freeway,

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Speaker 7: and then they just put another Chick fil A on

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Speaker 7: the other side of Yeah, and I'm like, this is

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Speaker 7: so stupid, but it is. It's causing a lot of backup,

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Speaker 7: Like the like one of the main streets that I

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Speaker 7: I'm having to go around or go through the back

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Speaker 7: it's just stupid. And I guess my overrated To get

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Speaker 7: to my point is the food is not that good.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I don't believe that. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 7: even about the It's like the food is just not

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Speaker 7: I'm like, do people really like unseeass and food that much?

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Speaker 7: Like because it's not seasoned well, the oil is not good.

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Speaker 7: Like there's nothing about Chick fil A that's good. I

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Speaker 7: don't get it. They don't even have soda.

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Speaker 2: They don't have soda.

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Speaker 7: What's that other chicken place? Zaxby's good too? When I

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Speaker 8: Chris experts like people valuing an experts opinion. I know

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, yeah, I mean it's like it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: The well, that's just like your opinion man effect. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: And I feel like you guys have a lot of

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you're like, oh he produced reality television. Give me

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Speaker 2: His opinion on how that scene was filmed on that

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Speaker 8: Miles. I wish I was joking when I was like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh man, that's amazing. Is there is there a

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Speaker 1: Jeff Probs. Don't wait, don't we king? All right, let's

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Speaker 6: She'd always been love to come back, and we're fucking

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Speaker 1: Questionably some pretty cool stuff, man, we have yeah, God

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Speaker 1: damn man, sure do. Federal appeals court goddamn just rejected

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Speaker 2: That's so wild that like it was hard to take

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Speaker 1: That's what the fuck I said, Man, that's what the

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Speaker 1: a motorcycle helmet or not, I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but not wearing no Connie Crew over here, that's right.

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Speaker 6: Okay, it's no Condom Day and pinge on my freedom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know what was that song you made like ten

442
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: years ago? You're like, oh, no condom style? Oh yeah,

443
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: he had a whole music video and everything. Lag okay,

444
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: back to life, no pun intended.

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Speaker 6: That's funny. I used to do parody songs too, until

446
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 6: one of my friends made fun of me and I

447
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Speaker 6: believed him. Oh man, I'm so pissed I let him

448
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Speaker 6: hurt my feelings.

449
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Speaker 2: Wait really, yeah, I used to.

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Speaker 6: There was a I did a rude boy parody the

451
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Speaker 6: Rihanna and it was like I did like like if

452
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Speaker 6: I was from the version of Snooky Snooky's perspective and

453
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Speaker 6: it was just basically like fucking without a condom and

454
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Speaker 6: fucking in the hot tub and it was just gross.

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Speaker 9: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was funny, though, man, and you're a great singer,

457
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Speaker 1: as we said, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 6: It was when it was so rough, but it was fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love I love it.

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Speaker 1: Go back in the lab, Go back in the lab,

461
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Speaker 1: and what my.

462
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Speaker 6: Partner makes music. And so I'm I don't know if

463
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Speaker 6: I told you guys, I'm moving to Chicago and I'm excited. Yeah,

464
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Speaker 6: And I'm excited because he makes music. So we're going

465
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Speaker 6: to make music together, like literally and figuratively. And I'm

466
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Speaker 6: excited because I was like, I want to do like

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Speaker 6: five song of every genre right right, because he can

468
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Speaker 6: and we just don't take it serious. Anyways, back to

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Speaker 6: the news, guys, what are we talking about? Nothing? Then

470
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Speaker 6: I want to do like, oh yeah, everything I want

471
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Speaker 6: to do. I want to do. Like remember in the

472
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Speaker 6: like the late nineties and early two thousands, there's a

473
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Speaker 6: lot of male rapper, female singer, a lot of those damns.

474
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Speaker 6: Like we want to do ship like like a five

475
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Speaker 6: just that doing that style. Yeah, yeah, exactly like that,

476
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Speaker 6: that type of ship, very hyper specific ship. But we're

477
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Speaker 6: gonna do all kinds of shit. I'm very excited. It's

478
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Speaker 6: gonna be fun. I'll be on here promoting that ship too.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Please, we'll write.

481
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Speaker 1: Out on it. All right. We do need to catch

482
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Speaker 1: up on other more important stories. Masks you want to

483
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: talk about was important but not important anymore? Whatever? Who cares.

484
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: On the other hand, we we gotta hear what Donald

485
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Speaker 1: Trump thinks about bud Light.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, this is a big one.

487
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Speaker 1: Did a full on.

488
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Speaker 2: This is just wild for some reason. Let's call it cash.

489
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has declared on Booth Social that bud Light

490
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Speaker 2: is no longer on the MAGA shit list. And you

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Speaker 2: like this this like post, you know, like when somebody

492
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Speaker 2: else writes his ship because it's like a little too coherent,

493
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Speaker 2: and it like follows a bit of structure, even thought

494
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Speaker 2: right stylistically, it like reads like his. He just said

495
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Speaker 2: the bud Light ad was a mistake of epic proportions

496
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Speaker 2: and for that a very big price was paid.

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Speaker 1: But Anheuser Busch is not a will company.

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Speaker 2: But I can give you plenty that are and building

499
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Speaker 2: a list and might just release it for the world

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Speaker 2: to see.

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Speaker 1: Why not.

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Speaker 2: The radical left does it viciously to well run because

503
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Speaker 2: they're to companies and people very nasty, but it's the

504
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: way they play the game. On the other hand, Anheuser

505
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Speaker 2: Bush spends seven hundred million dollars a year with our

506
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Speaker 2: great farmers employee sixty five thousand. It's like starts running

507
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Speaker 2: down all this shit that Anheuser by him.

508
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Speaker 1: He just did like three hundred gram adderalls and then

509
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Speaker 1: banged this out.

510
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Speaker 6: Just wait, can we give Miles props for that? You've

511
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Speaker 6: been working on that impression. It's great, Yeah, thank you.

512
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Speaker 2: Look, you know that's coming from somebody who's killing it

513
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Speaker 2: on national television with impressions that actually means a lot.

514
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Speaker 6: Martello start pro I love an impression. I love the

515
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Speaker 6: impression from from an Asian guy. We don't get enough

516
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Speaker 6: of that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, exactly, you don't have. You know, we're the

518
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Speaker 2: biracial like I could be leaning into every race right now,

519
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: and really and I get to because I'm black and Asian. Yeah, okay, sorry,

520
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,239
Speaker 2: hate to use that excuse again like the one from

521
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Speaker 2: the nineties. But anyway, it's like interesting to see or

522
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: figure out what caused this whole thing. Maybe the donation

523
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Speaker 2: stop from Anheuser Busch. Is it because he's BFFs with

524
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Speaker 2: Dana White and the UFC and bud Light, like that's

525
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: like their main one of their main sponsors. Is it

526
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Speaker 2: because he saw some polling that made him realize that

527
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Speaker 2: being a piece of ship to people all the time

528
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Speaker 2: is bad? Others point out, is it because he has

529
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Speaker 2: between one and five million dollars in Anheuser Busch in

530
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Speaker 2: bev Stock knows? But I love how he's just talking

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Speaker 2: about Canon, an American company. They're owned by a like

532
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Speaker 2: their own.

533
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Speaker 1: There's a Belichick company American companies.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, great American brand.

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Speaker 6: What news is his supporters don't look at facts, so

536
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Speaker 6: now an American company, so right.

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Speaker 2: And also a lot of people pointed out when they

538
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Speaker 2: were boycotting bud Light, they're like, they were probably just

539
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Speaker 2: buying another beer owned by the same company.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's it called a bev Anheuser Busch in bev

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Speaker 1: in bev Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think also to be clear too, like when

543
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Speaker 2: he's like that the advertisement was a big mistake, they're

544
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Speaker 2: talking about the Dylan mulvaney thing where they sent out

545
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Speaker 2: like bud Lights sent out a bunch of personalized cans

546
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Speaker 2: to influencers with their face on it, and Dylan mulvaney

547
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Speaker 2: happened to be on that group of influencers that got

548
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Speaker 2: a can, so she posted the fact that she got

549
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Speaker 2: a bud Light can, and everyone's like they're doing a

550
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Speaker 2: fucking whole ad campaign. That's like like just all of

551
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Speaker 2: that is where all of this shit started.

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Speaker 1: But who knows.

553
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: There's other people like on Twitter who are like being like, yo,

554
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Speaker 2: this is just a conspiracy. Like Republicans like to tank

555
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: a brand that they own stock in and then they

556
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Speaker 2: buy the dip and then like, oh, wow.

557
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Speaker 6: That's a great idea. I need to start doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They're like yo, they're like, hey, if you're in the

560
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Speaker 2: stock market, like just see what company they're going after,

561
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Speaker 2: and if the stock price starts going down by the dip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I give you ahead of Super Bowl. Son.

563
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Speaker 6: Wow, that's great financial advice. It's dip Christmas in the stocks,

564
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Speaker 6: bitch Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's also like I do just want to acknowledge

566
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: that that whole backlash campaign has been wildly successful. Yeah,

567
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: the mainstream news story about that has been like a

568
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: bud light fucked up big time and like had a

569
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Speaker 1: terrible year, and like people in the business community like,

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Speaker 1: I think this is one of the stories that is

571
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Speaker 1: driving that whole backlash to having any sort of moral

572
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Speaker 1: compass as a corporation, you know that like they're just now,

573
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Speaker 1: you know, saying that we're gonna invest in like ESG

574
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: or you know, any sort of diversity equity initiative, like

575
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Speaker 1: all of that is a bad word in when you're

576
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Speaker 1: doing your earnings calls, because yeah, because there's ship like

577
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Speaker 1: this and yeah, it's a shame, it's it's very frustrated.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, they've got there doing. You know, Shane

579
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Speaker 2: Gillis is the new face of bud Light and Ship.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's killing it. He's SNL this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I think they're trying to be like, hey man, look

582
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: we kind of fuck with shitty people too, who have

583
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: like some questionable past and things like that, like don't

584
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: what the fuck you know?

585
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Speaker 6: You know, but the reason that works is because most

586
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 6: people are shitty, and Republicans aren't afraid to accept their

587
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 6: their shitty past and their shitty present and their shitty future.

588
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of their whole thing. Yeah, yeah, we.

589
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Speaker 6: Just don't get there.

590
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't care, all right. I do want to

591
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: get to what's happening in the state legislature of.

592
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: You get to that, huh oh, I musnd out.

593
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I must bro working on it right now. But

594
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: to pull your card, homie. Yeah. So there's a bill

595
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Speaker 1: currently making its way through the chambers that would essentially

596
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Speaker 1: prevent live performance venues from canceling a performer for exercising

597
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: their free speech rights and not just their ability to

598
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Speaker 1: not wear a mask when they don't want to, because

599
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: but you know, you can't cancel a show if the

600
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Speaker 1: performer says like racist or homophobic shit. Okay, that's okay. Now.

601
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Speaker 2: So this bill is you know, it's being debated. It says,

602
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: like the text of it says, quote, the owner or

603
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: operator of a public venue may not cancel a live

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Speaker 2: performance of an artist or performer musical group because the artists, performers,

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00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: or musical groups lawful exercise of freedom of speech or

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Speaker 2: their personal beliefs for the purpose. So basically what they're

607
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: saying is, if that happens, then they have to pay

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Speaker 2: damages or like you know, execute whatever financials or in

609
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: the contract between the two and be like, okay, well

610
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: then you owe them that kind of shit. And every

611
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: people are like, what the what's the point? Like, there's

612
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: real shit happening all over the fucking place, and we

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Speaker 2: have this bill. Notably, the author of the bill couldn't

614
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: really even point to one example where this has happened,

615
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: except wait, the one time the libs messed up my

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00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: midlife Crisis Bands statewide tour.

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Speaker 1: So this is what center fucking sky. What's his name?

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Speaker 2: Let me make sure I want to make sure I

619
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: have his full name out there. Joel Rudman, Senator Joel Rudman,

620
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: he posted this shit on Facebook. Shout out to Robin

621
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Speaker 2: panank On Wankat for putting this piece together because it's

622
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: so eye opening. He posted this on Facebook about his

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Speaker 2: own fucking band. This is a elected official in Florida. Quote.

624
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Speaker 2: This is what liberals do. When I announced my concert tour,

625
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Speaker 2: I used event bright to process free tickets so I

626
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Speaker 2: could get a rough headcount for each gig. The woke

627
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: mob liberals flooded my system with fake emails and bogus names.

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Speaker 2: So now we have no way of knowing how many

629
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Speaker 2: do expect. Show these radicals what happens when you try

630
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Speaker 2: to cancel Conservatives come out and force Tomorrow night to

631
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Speaker 2: Horsepower Pavilion at seven pm. These liberals tried to cancel

632
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Speaker 2: my voice. I became Navari's Business of the Year. Then

633
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: they tried to cancel my medical career. I became state representative.

634
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Speaker 2: Now they are trying to cancel my concert.

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Speaker 1: Fuck wow. Yeah, he's not a business man, he's a

636
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: business business man. Business of the year, yeah exactly. So

637
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: this guy basically couldn't accept the fact that no one

638
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: wanted to see his shitty band and decided to waste

639
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: time by using his office to like create a bill

640
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: that will most likely fail because, like, let's be real,

641
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Florida isn't someplace where they're canceling acts for being Jesus.

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Speaker 6: That's why that shit doesn't make sense because to me,

643
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: I hear it as like, oh, that's actually good for

644
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 6: people that are like pro Palestine, because they're getting shit

645
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 6: ripped out from under them exactly. And it's like, but

646
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 6: in Florida, you know, like no one's getting upset that

647
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 6: you're homophobic or racist or whatever. The fuck that's actually

648
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 6: gonna cel tickets, I think. But because he was giving

649
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 6: away free tickets, that's your problem, sir.

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00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

651
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: And again it's just like it's like half. I think

652
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: it's probably ninety five percent this guy's fragile, fucking ego,

653
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: and then five percent like obviously this is like the

654
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: culture War playbook one oh one. It's like, act as

655
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: if this woke threat exists in your state, when actually

656
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: your state is like the antithesis of that, and that's

657
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: pretty much what he's doing. But dude, this guy's fucking banned.

658
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: I had a feeling this guy's band was gonna suck,

659
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: and then he got to that paragraph where he was like,

660
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: then they tried to cancel my medical career. Yeah. Like, wait,

661
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: so you're not even a musician, you Horsepower Pavilion. I

662
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: couldn't make that.

663
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: Sounds like a made up venue name and like a

664
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: viral tweet that someone would write it.

665
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 6: Sounds like Deaf Puppy Comedy Club in Mantica, California.

666
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Deaf Puppy Comedy Club, but an actual place in Mantica, California.

667
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: Get your tickets at the end of this month. So yeah,

668
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: his band is called Doctor Rudman and the Freedom Fighters.

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00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: And then like I think their was called, uh the

670
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: Let me just get this right, it was called the God,

671
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: Guns and Less Government Tour. Oh wow, I just want

672
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: to give y'all a quick taste of this of his band.

673
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: I cannot wait, God, Guns and Less Government? How cool?

674
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: How rock and roll is that?

675
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: The Wild Thing is like a group of like middle

676
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: aged dudes are opening or I like, are clearly the band,

677
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: but they wait for him to go on stage.

678
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Is like the lead guitar player.

679
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 6: He's a friend supploring.

680
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry that was that was him howling. Let me

681
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: just show you. This is him coming on stage for

682
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: everybody to see. And he's wearing his white doctor's coat.

683
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: Just so you know, this guy is a fucking doctor.

684
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: The band's singing now, he's coming up on stage, grabbing

685
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: the guitar, got his doctor coat on.

686
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Somebody get me a shot. Somebody got me a shot.

687
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: That's his catchphrase.

688
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: I also love I love when I love when like

689
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: performers be like, yo, let me get a shot, and

690
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: then nobody gets much shot.

691
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 6: It's one of the worst feelings. I gotta say, that's

692
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 6: definitely happened to be before we're going.

693
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: To drink up here. Done that some of our live shows.

694
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: And then I just go to beg I'm like, hey, please, man,

695
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: I'll give you cash.

696
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 5: Man.

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00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: Would you mind just getting something really quickly?

698
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 9: No?

699
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: No, but here he goes.

700
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna just let everybody know. He picked up the

701
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 2: guitar as if he was gonna he realized, I gotta

702
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: take my coat off.

703
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Stripping well back to the fish house, taking off his

704
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: white coat or a gill a bad jean jacket under here. Yeah,

705
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: appeared to be in an equipment shed on the roof

706
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: of a condo in like a marina somewhere.

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00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 6: This is where you watch live performance.

708
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Okay, here we goes.

709
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: He's got interesting two tone bell bottoms on black and

710
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: red leather.

711
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: He's so.

712
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 6: He looks like he drinks bud.

713
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: Light his like he doesn't even his his.

714
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: Guitar has even turned up.

715
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 6: Oh oh, there you go, well cow bell.

716
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: Anyway, So this guy's band is wild. He's got some

717
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: kind of face paint on it.

718
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: He looks like he's like, you know, a five year

719
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: old who did their own makeup as a zombie.

720
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: Look at like, look at this woman who came up

721
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: to do a devil.

722
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 6: Horns right in the way.

723
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: Did you say there's no where's all the people see

724
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: what we want to know too?

725
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 6: Okay, we all want to know the venue wants to

726
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 6: know that exactly.

727
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: You're a good partner for supporting him and his fool's

728
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: errand of you know, narcissism. But wow.

729
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway, this is the pace we're at with

730
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: the people entering public office.

731
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, just people.

732
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: It's either like you got an axe to grind, or

733
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: you've got followers to gain, or a shitty band to promote,

734
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: or maybe fucking all three.

735
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what better place to do that than you know,

736
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: beautiful the right is getting good at rock and roll,

737
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: and the liberals are scared.

738
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Speaker 6: I was really scared watching that. I was like, oh,

739
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 6: that's scary.

740
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: Sheer pant those pants too, I love. It's just like

741
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: you can tell when people they have this like fantasy

742
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: image of like this alter ego they may have and

743
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: it has zero swag either.

744
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

745
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like some people, you'll be surprised. You're like, damn,

746
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know you had that in you. Like that

747
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: it was kind of cool.

748
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: Shot yeah.

749
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 6: About an alter ego.

750
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few of them, like you know you got

751
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: that doc oc in you. But like this guy purely

752
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: is like was raised on like hair metal videos, but

753
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: also like he his hate filled heart doesn't know like

754
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: to open it to be like other I don't know

755
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: to like more creative pursuits. It's like, oh, wear leather,

756
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: red pants, a jean jacket, and I'll smear makeup on

757
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: my cheeks, but.

758
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: My doctor's white jacket a white coat on top of it.

759
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 9: Teen fantasy yeah yeah, yeah, and yeah, like he got

760
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 9: up there during the band, like the band was playing

761
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 9: a different song and just like interrupted them and held

762
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 9: up his guitar and was like.

763
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: Somebody get me a shot, like, which is like you

764
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: can tell. It was like in his teenage rock star fantasy. Yeah,

765
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: but then like there's two minutes of awkward like tuning

766
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: his guitar after like cuts off ruins the other people's song,

767
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: and then is just like complete end of any momentum

768
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: that was being built.

769
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 6: I'm also now realizing it was probably his wife that

770
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 6: came up, like okay, Gottle's tickets, Like she's like, I

771
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 6: just don't I'm tired of this. It's got to end,

772
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. She's like, I can't do

773
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 6: this anymore. And it wasn't the liberals that were getting

774
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 6: him in canceled with his wife like you need to

775
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 6: come home White.

776
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: A woman comes up in the middle of a show

777
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: of the show, stands directly in front of the camera

778
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: by herself, completely empty, no signs of a crowd like

779
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: in the sound or any like energy, and then she

780
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: just goes up and starts doing like devil horns, and

781
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: it's where's the crowd? Where's the crowd?

782
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 5: Nobody knows this so hard the liberals stopped my crowd

783
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 5: from coming right exactly, But it's why you can hear

784
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 5: it from the ambient noise, like there's five people there.

785
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's it. There's five people there. I can

786
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: that I can hear.

787
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 6: Victor said he wished he was there, and I gotta

788
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 6: say that is a type of shit I like to

789
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 6: see live. That is my favorite thing about like going

790
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 6: to a bar, like like a local bar and they're like,

791
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 6: there's live music. I'm like, oh, I'm staying for this.

792
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 6: I gotta know what's going on here tonight. That's my

793
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 6: favorite ship because that's exactly what you see, is that share.

794
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: Just like wander in there like yeah, I always.

795
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 6: Got a good deal on drinks, and that's the fries.

796
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 6: Just play. Whenever you have an opportunity to see live music,

797
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 6: like a small local bar, especially if you're like traveling,

798
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 6: please watch you get You will be entertained. It's not

799
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 6: what they want you to entertain you with. It's just

800
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 6: that you will be like this is a character. This

801
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 6: is some shit that they make characters on TV with.

802
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 6: These people are insane.

803
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: These people they give us the joy, like these are

804
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: things that we like to share. It's go check out

805
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: some local music and just bask in the authenticity of

806
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: some of these people.

807
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 6: I love a fifty year old band just grown ass

808
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 6: men just won't give up on their dreams and the

809
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 6: politics getting in there, and you're just like, oh, this

810
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 6: is good.

811
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: Like usually I will encourage this to give them a

812
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: different vent, like a different outlet than politics, you know,

813
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: like when old like didn't Stephen King, like all those

814
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: like famous authors when they hit their fifties, were like,

815
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: and we're starting a rock band.

816
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.

817
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: We're starting the most mid rock band in the state

818
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: of Maine, which is.

819
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 6: Saying a lot, but that's how most of these people are.

820
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 6: Like it's like I'm I'm I'm not ashamed that I

821
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 6: pursued comedy, you know, like because I'm good at it

822
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 6: and I you know, you just got to work hard.

823
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 6: Like Ben Shapiro wanted to be a writer, comedian or

824
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 6: some shit and then he failed. So he was like,

825
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna talk shit online. It's like his next

826
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 6: step is what being a band. He already put out

827
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 6: a rap song.

828
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I.

829
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 6: Mean Like this, it's the people are just unsatisfied egos

830
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 6: and then they just rehabit because they're just not satisfied.

831
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. We feel like he became a doctor because he

832
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: had that vision in his mind of going up on

833
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: stage and saying somebody get me a shot at a bar. Wow,

834
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: Like all been building up to that.

835
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 6: You think he's jealous of Ken Jong for actually being

836
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 6: a successful.

837
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: Hate ken Jong because you know what he was probably

838
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: doing ship as the stand up comedian doctor Joel, And

839
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: he's like, wait, there's a guy named doctor ken Who

840
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy. They're like, dude, he's killing it, man,

841
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: he's fucking killing it.

842
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: And he's like, fuck guitar woke. Yeah, all right, well,

843
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad I saw that. I think let's uh, let's

844
00:40:52,080 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll be right back. And were back,

845
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: and there was a whole Atlantic magazine those like if

846
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: Trump wins, But like I didn't see like any of

847
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: those stories like really breaking through or capturing people's imagination.

848
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: It just feels like people are kind of exhausted by

849
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: him at this point, which is something that we talked about,

850
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: like in the very early days of this podcast, like

851
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, the idea that you know, the

852
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Nazis first came to power, they were front page or

853
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: just like when they first existed, rather you know, they

854
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: were front page news. It was in a national scandal

855
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: and international scandal. By the time that they came to power,

856
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: they were people were just like exhausted by it and

857
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: tired of like reading about them and like just people.

858
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's the Bannon strategy of flooding the zone

859
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: with shit, and you just become kind of inert to it.

860
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, like to hear your thoughts generally

861
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: on like what you think a world looks like with

862
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: these groups preparing the way they are and like kind

863
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: of changing their changing how open they are. Like if

864
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: Trump wins, I feel like they become a lot less

865
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: scared of prosecution and like things go in a different direction, right.

866
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in my mind that Trump would would

867
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: probably also accompany a bunch of smaller the same election

868
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 3: wins for Republicans, and I think that that would end up.

869
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 3: I could see it being almost like you know how

870
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: Twitter was and how Twitter slash x is now, where

871
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 3: it's like you go online and like I saw beheading

872
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: online in my feed yesterday and it was just like

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00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: that's just around now and that was just part of

874
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: your everyday normal. I can see it being like you

875
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: walk around your city and you see like a white

876
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: price sticker on the stop sign, and that's just like

877
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: part of the landscape of where you live, and it

878
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: being essentially laws are paths that are that are you know,

879
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: regressive and bigoted, And I could see it being like,

880
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: you know, I think I'm thinking more in the sense

881
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 3: that it would feel just generally unsafe, but then also

882
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: have the coffee other being like and you would feel

883
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: like yeah, tired, tired, and like it's normal, and like

884
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: it sucks, you don't like it, but like it's a

885
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: bunch of title instances that go about your day, not one.

886
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: Big guy yelling at you or fighting with you. What

887
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: are you going to do about it?

888
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: And I could see that being like a you know,

889
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: every school board meeting is now some weird right rit

890
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: rings screen about how trans kids are ruining everything, and

891
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: that's every school board meeting now, and there's not a

892
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: lot of ways to let counteract that or like to

893
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: make that stop.

894
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: Right.

895
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, because just we're in an election

896
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: year and it feels like every time shit just gets

897
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 2: worse and worse, Like the technology gets better for bad

898
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: faith actors, the potential for violence increases. And I think

899
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: a lot of people will probably hear like, okay, so

900
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: there's not gonna be no j six two point zero

901
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: and probably be like, Okay, great, nothing to worry about,

902
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Like they realize they've been fully dissuaded from trying that

903
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: shit again. No need to be vigilant about anything. But

904
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, we've had Jared on the

905
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: show too, and we were talking about like white nationalism

906
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: two point zero and the rise of like active clubs

907
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: and things like that. Aside from like sort of those

908
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: groups and how they've sort of just like shifted or

909
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: what however they're going to participate in this upcoming year

910
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: or next few years. What can what do you think

911
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: people can expect to see from these right wing groups

912
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: in terms of what sort of activities they feel like

913
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: they're invested in in terms of like the build up

914
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: to the election.

915
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I career for a lot of ads

916
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: about the very gross, disgusting ads in your YouTube and

917
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: your Spotify is and your everything. I would also say that,

918
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: at least from my perspective, viral content and like and

919
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: like just change the language. I mean, people use red

920
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: pill in Selly style language as on the regular even

921
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 3: if you are in the community. Now it's just now

922
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 3: part of the language of being online. And I think

923
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 3: that expecting feeling a weird like right wing ideology shift.

924
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: I mean, like this whole I mean, I'm seeing a

925
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: lot a lot of trad wife content, a lot of

926
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 3: a lot of white supremacists, like word usage or meme templates.

927
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that's only going to get more and more frequent.

928
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Feeling like everyone in your feetus constantly has some weird,

929
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: disgusting worldview where everyone's out for themselves and the outsiders

930
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: and the freaks are trying to ruin your life, and

931
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: like that's what's going to feel like. It's a constant

932
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: messaging wherever you go, and people are very much invested

933
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: in making it feel like you should be scared all

934
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: the time. The fact that you were upset and that

935
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: things are going well for you is somebody else's well

936
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: that you should specifically blame. And solutions that aren't that

937
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 3: or more nuanced in depth conversations, I'm going to feel

938
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: less like a part of your daily conversations.

939
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Mm.

940
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: So, like, right, that's a lot of it is now

941
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: just sort of shifting to what can we create energetically

942
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: as an environment for people to operate in, and then

943
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: hopefully that will nudge people in the right direction. Or

944
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: just dissuade them from doing anything at all. That's some Yeah, yeah,

945
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: so grim, especially now when you look at just like

946
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 2: the rise of like AI shit and the like all

947
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: this deep fake stuff that's happening that can already like,

948
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we're already seeing it and here little flashes

949
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: here and there are you.

950
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, as somebody who's like paying attention to misinformation online,

951
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, we've done a couple episodes about AI and

952
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: you know we're somewhere between. This shit is scary too. Also,

953
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: like the way companies are using it is kind of

954
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: like hamfested and not not that impressive at this point,

955
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: but just generally, like, I know, my job has gotten

956
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: harder when it comes to being able to like find

957
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: reputable information on the Internet. I can only imagine what

958
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: it's like in the trenches, Like as you are trying

959
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: to track trends and things like that. Are you how

960
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: much of that is the new technologies that are advancing,

961
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: How much of that is that the companies have completely

962
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: given up on reining it in at all? And just yeah,

963
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear your overall thoughts on the state

964
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: of the union when it comes to disinformation online.

965
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when I was when I was doing

966
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: work in twenty twenty, I marveled to my coworkers about like, like, wow,

967
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: people on the right spend so much time doing illustrations

968
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: and making like interesting meme and art to like just

969
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: flood these systems, and I would like reverse image starts

970
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: constantly because there's always new things being made with AI.

971
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 3: I feel like that's only getting more frequent and worse.

972
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: I fly with disinformation. I mean when I'm doing when

973
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: I'm doing reports on the daily for my job, I

974
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: have to generally go back and fat chet and say

975
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 3: how people are saying this, what's actually happening and find

976
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: that information now, especially if it's a smaller local story

977
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: that doesn't have a bunch of news art news outlets

978
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 3: on it is so difficult to like see.

979
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 4: Is what they're saying true or not.

980
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to just like write them off completely

981
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: as being like everyth say is a lie, and like

982
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: I want to actually do my research, but there's not

983
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: a local news article about it or someone or like

984
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 3: a reparatable source like trying to figure out something is

985
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: true that they're saying. I'm like they're saying it. I

986
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: honestly believe them, but there's nowhere else to look to

987
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: find different information. And I think that that's one of

988
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 3: the bigger issues. I mean we I mean, obviously Twitter

989
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: has the community know this thing, which is you know,

990
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 3: biased at best, but like having reliable fat checks, especially

991
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: for things that are more local or that on a

992
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: smaller scale, is like you're only getting the right way

993
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: narrative of any event, and to find the truth or

994
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: like the non biased thing is just so difficult, And

995
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how that's changing our people

996
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: perceive current events or or local events or just like

997
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: regular takes on everyday life, if they're only seeing one

998
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: side and like even if they don't like that person

999
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 3: like that opinion, there's no other opinion or other side

1000
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: to look at to balance it out and define the

1001
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: truth in the middle.

1002
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you think these big social media companies

1003
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: gave up so completely? Like it seems like this would

1004
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: be a time when you would be able to make

1005
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: a name for yourself by being the one place that

1006
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: actually tries to fact check. On the other hand, it

1007
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: was already an extremely difficult task to fact check all

1008
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: the misinformation, and now it's getting more difficult. Is it

1009
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: just kind of that combination because we've also talked about

1010
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: how most corporate entities have like gone away from doing

1011
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: good from that idea being like, you know, it was

1012
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: never their main driving impulse, but it was like fashionable

1013
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: for a little bit to like have these ESG programs

1014
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: and stuff, And now it's like a bad word to

1015
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: say that you're investing in those things. Like where do

1016
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 1: you think that kind of giving up came from?

1017
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: I think there are like a few things.

1018
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: One of the first things I'm thinking is that, like

1019
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: I remember when they started to do kind of disinformation

1020
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: countering and started to do those efforts, they got a

1021
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: lot of pushback from actual Republicans in Congress because they'd

1022
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: be like, my statement is getting fact checked and flatter

1023
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: of the day isn't true. And it's like when you

1024
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: start to objectively go about what is true information or not, Hey,

1025
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: a real person has to traysically go through every single thing.

1026
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: If someone doesn't get a joke and doesn't understand that

1027
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: there's the satire that apsims get caught in the middle

1028
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 3: of it. But also people who are making inflammatory rhetoric

1029
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: then who are elected officials also get caught in that,

1030
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: and then it starts looking to Republicans mostly that this

1031
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: platform is being biased because it's censoring Republicans. Now they're

1032
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 3: believing narrative for a long time that social media companies

1033
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: are censoring the right because you put something up that's

1034
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: like the COVID nineteen vaccine causes autism, and then you

1035
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: get flagged, and it's like, well, then of course you're

1036
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: going to get flagged. But then if that happens in

1037
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: a weird biased scatagram, then like you think that that's

1038
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: a negative or like it's a targeted harassment campaign from

1039
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: the social media company.

1040
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: Also the fact that rage clicks make money.

1041
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: People engage with things when it makes you mad, and

1042
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: so there's not really a financial benefit of having that

1043
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: not be there. And also like, yeah, real people have

1044
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: to go through and moderate spaces. I spend a lot

1045
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 3: of time submitting posts for moderation or flagging posts for

1046
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: reporting posts because it's like this person missed this, and

1047
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: it's like a lot. I mean, especially Twitter slash x,

1048
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: they cut down their moderation team basically zero, and Facebook

1049
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: already doesn't really have a super big one that's always

1050
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: on the clock, so it's like you're asking a team

1051
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: of fifteen people to monitor the entirety of Facebook.

1052
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 4: That's a really gas They're going to miss stuff.

1053
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: And so it's like they have the company have to

1054
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: invest in hiring your people and setting stronger, more specific

1055
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 3: guidelines and then also ad hearing to those guidelines even

1056
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: at the person that they're adhering to brings them a

1057
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: lot of traffic and money to the platform. It's like

1058
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: there's not a ton of upfront incentive.

1059
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: So it's the stuff that's always been true. It's just

1060
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: again like the public they just got tired of, like

1061
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: resisting the main impulse of capitalism to be like yeah,

1062
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: no that you can do that. It's not profitable and

1063
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: you'll get fired for doing it, but yeah no, go ahead,

1064
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: it's great. That looks great on you. After a while,

1065
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: the forces just kind of wear you down. Yeah, exactly.

1066
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: Well then, also, just how much we've seen how much

1067
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: conservatives have just worn even the media down to be like,

1068
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: how dare you well fact check the words I say?

1069
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: You're trying to silence me, and like there's no they're

1070
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: like fuck man, I don't we don't have the will

1071
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: to push back or we're not getting the directive from

1072
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: the people high up to push back, So it's just

1073
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, I guess we'll just please appease them,

1074
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: and then you event you end up in this sort

1075
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: of place where it's like too much of a hassle

1076
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: to follow through on those kinds of things, And it's

1077
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: kind of like it's a little unsettling Sabine, right, because

1078
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: with everything you're saying, it's like, you know, they're they're

1079
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: not the fucking platforms aren't going to do anything. They're

1080
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: fucking just doing their own thing, putting out their own news.

1081
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: That is going to be the first point of contact

1082
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: for a lot of people if they're looking at like

1083
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: one of these stories or manufactured sort of scandals or

1084
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: whatever it. What is the role that normal people can

1085
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: play in sort of countering this, Like not to say

1086
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: that like now you need to get on your moderation

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Speaker 2: shit and start like hopping in these spaces, but like

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Speaker 2: what what is like like what are the sort of

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Speaker 2: steps because I feel like all the time you hear

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Speaker 2: about like a project twenty twenty five or like these

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00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: other things are like what what the fuck? Like what

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Speaker 2: I mean not that this is specifically to that but

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00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: you're like, what do weo? Is the Left doing anything

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Speaker 2: about Project twenty twenty five, not that I can see,

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Speaker 2: But for regular people who are witnessing this kind of evolution,

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00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure many people already live in areas where they

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00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 2: are seeing like white Pride stickers or they're getting fucking

1098
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: KKK Nazi shit thrown in their driveway and is it

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00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: block bag filled with rocks and stuff like that? Is

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00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: what is the response or what is the what kind

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00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: of networks of people or can be created or things

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: can be done to sort of counter that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so online, particularly because most of my expertise. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there are always some forms of practice that I think

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00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: I would endorse. I know people are like, hey, well

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00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: you're dunking on someone's screenshot and then do the dumps.

1107
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: They don't get the engagement if your tweet goes viral.

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Speaker 3: There's also just I guess not encouraging behavior.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we're not dunking at all. If you can help it.

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Speaker 3: If you see a tweet or you see a headline,

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00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: take the extra time to see if it's actually true

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Speaker 3: before before you share it. Before you then again make

1113
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Speaker 3: outrage bait A lot of a lot of particularly right

1114
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: re accounts make their money and get their influence from

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00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: being inflammatory and like and triggering that like the instant

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00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: thing you to get mess and that you know isn't

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00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: right or that you know isn't true, and like taking

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00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: the time to like step back, think about is it

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Speaker 3: worth it to engage?

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Speaker 4: Is it worth it if it really is a narrative

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Speaker 4: you want a counter.

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Speaker 3: Screenshot it and talk about it on your own things

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Speaker 3: so they don't get the engagement, or and then make

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00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: sure you can like double check fact check whatever you're sharing,

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Speaker 3: like and not just doing an immediate emotional share offline.

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Speaker 3: I would say that, at least for me, there are

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Speaker 3: tons of people in my community have heard stuff or

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Speaker 3: said stuff, or like kids will come home and say

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Speaker 3: anything that they've heard at school, and like it all

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00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 3: feels in the moment like a one off instance of

1131
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 3: someone being shitty, and like it honestly, it can be

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Speaker 3: more than that, and it can foster a bi it

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Speaker 3: like that's okay, and so like not letting those things

1134
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Speaker 3: slide or let lie or kind of just brushing them off.

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Speaker 3: I know, like in my hometown, my parents were walking

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00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: by your school, someoney changed it to say a bunch

1137
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Speaker 3: of slurs and like pro Nazi stuff.

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Speaker 4: When everyone was on vacation.

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00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: We took a picture of it, put it in the

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Speaker 3: county Facebook group and said, hey, this isn't cool. When

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00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: we talk about this, we had a conversation about talking

1142
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 3: to your kids, if you have teenagers or anything in

1143
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: the area, make sure you're talking about what is there

1144
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 3: is not appropriate to do and what is this not.

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00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 4: True about minority groups.

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00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: That's meaning that you can do to kind of like

1147
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: not just let it be a shitty thing that you

1148
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: saw and then now have to I guess ignore a

1149
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Speaker 3: brush ups.

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Speaker 10: I know.

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Speaker 3: Also, my company I See has a program called Strong

1152
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 3: City's Network where they do deradicalization programming, trainings and classes

1153
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: for city officials, for local officials, for community members about

1154
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 3: like what you can do to fostered environment where extremism

1155
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 3: doesn't feel welcome or safe in your area. There are

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: I think already existing anti hate groups that are either

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: national or that could be in your state. I know

1158
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: that Virginia where I lives, certainly has some, and seeking

1159
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: out those groups and participating is also great to feel

1160
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: like you're doing something, You're getting involved.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think it's it's also I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: kind of a really interesting point too, where it's like

1163
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: so much of the engagement that these inflammatory accounts get

1164
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: is purely because of the reaction from people on the

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Speaker 2: other end of the spectrum, and it's like sort of

1166
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: like it's that easy for them. It's like, dude, all

1167
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: you gotta do is just say this, and then it

1168
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: blows up and it's just.

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Speaker 1: People dunk on you, and then their content becomes your content.

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00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 2: Right exactly, and then it's like sort of like, yeah,

1171
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: i mean, one of the biggest ways to sort of

1172
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: like pull the rug out from under them is to also,

1173
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: like to your point is like if you're gonna talk

1174
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: about it, maybe don't share the handle or just take

1175
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: the screenshot, so that actual individual post isn't getting the

1176
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: sort of engagement that they need to feed the algorithms.

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Speaker 2: It kind of blows eyes, like just remember a lot

1178
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: of this shit while it is upsetting, it's the hint

1179
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: is for you to interact with it, so the message

1180
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: goes further and wider. And that's like just such a

1181
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: super subtle thing that, yeah, to think about how it's like, yeah,

1182
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a Rube Goldberg machine that it's

1183
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: just kind of like, yeah, man, I'll get it this

1184
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: one thing and he can do next thing. You know,

1185
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: it's setting off all kinds of a warm below.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show If you like, the

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Speaker 1: show means the world demiles. He needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to him Monday.

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Speaker 10: By spending nothing bad