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Speaker 2: I've dealt with it personally on a very personal level.

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Speaker 2: He was in rehab when he said this. You know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd have to agree with you, Dave. You know,

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Speaker 2: We struggle to not call you personally being siat yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you have to back out, secure the scene. You

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Speaker 2: was different. So he's living on their backs and Rob

430
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: Reiner had had his fill. You know, at a certain

431
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: point in time, you no longer are a young person

432
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: with potential. You are what you are, and I, as

433
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 2: a parent owe it to you as a young adult

434
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: love you. I'm going to love you from a distance,

435
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: you know. And we all do that at our own time,

436
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: at our own pace, and in our own way. And

437
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: the Rob and Michelle had been at this point now

438
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: it had been on and off because they is your son,

439
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: is your child. You know, you love your children for

440
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: crying out loud. It's not an easy button to switch.

441
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 2: But they were at a party with Conan O'Brien, not

442
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: with at Conan O'Brien's house. A Jewish gathering is the

443
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: way it has been pitched to me.

444
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: This first NIGHTE to Hankah.

445
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,239
Speaker 2: I think, well, yeah, yeah, and then so you've got

446
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 2: the Jewish families in Hollywood are all there and it's

447
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: an annual event that Conan does regularly. And most of

448
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 2: the attendees there were friends who had been friends for

449
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: a long time. The friends that had been there a

450
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: long time saw Nick and he was acting wrong at

451
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: the party he was going up to You got a

452
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: lot of celebrities there, but they're not all celebrities. You know,

453
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: Celebrities are normal people and they have friends that are

454
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: not in the business. You know, they have friends that

455
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: are just people from you know, church or softball or whatever.

456
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: You know.

457
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you have friends outside of the industry. And

458
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: Nick Reiner with his with Rob Reiner, his seventy eight

459
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: year old father, his wife Michelle, amongst all of their

460
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: friends at Conan O'Brien's house and Nick Ryan is walking

461
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: around poking people. Are you famous? What are you famous for?

462
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: How are you famous? And it was really embarrassing. It

463
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: was also very aggressive, and it was that way he

464
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: was treating guests at Conan O'Brien's party that made Rob

465
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: pull him off to the side, trying to get him

466
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: to stop, and he wouldn't. Now you're in public with

467
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: a thirty two year old man who has a pension

468
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: for alcohol and drugs and violence, and you're a guest.

469
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: I mean, the humiliation and embarrassment goes beyond anything because

470
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: everyone at the party heard this argument become a fight,

471
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: a verbal fight. Now based on that was Saturday night, Joe,

472
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: Saturday Night, Eric Idle comedian, Oh yeah, I know, Eric.

473
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: He spent an hour on the phone with Rob that night.

474
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner, I'm guessing it was after they left Conan

475
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: O'Brien's party. They all left, and we know Nick lives

476
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: in the pool house or the guest house out in

477
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: the backyard of the three point five million dollar mansion property.

478
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle go home from Conan O'Brien's party. We

479
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: know he talks to Eric Idol, but we don't know

480
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: exactly when they were killed, but we can get some

481
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: hints here. Joe, between Saturday night at Conan O'Brien's house,

482
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: a Sunday afternoon at three thirty, when daughter Romy shows

483
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: up at their house, and when Romy gets there because

484
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: she can't get her mom and dad on the phone,

485
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: and she arrives at the house, lets herself in and

486
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: finds her mom and dad. They are in bed and

487
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: there's blood everywhere. She calls for paramedics, calls nine to

488
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: one one and when the firemen the paramedics arrived Joe,

489
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: they stop everything and say call the LAPD homicide, we

490
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: need back up. There was nothing they could do. Now

491
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: that's three thirty in the afternoon. We know that. Let's

492
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: just start the clock at say midnight. You know from

493
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: midnight Sunday Saturday night they get homes midnight, sometime between

494
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: the time they get home from Connor of Bryan's party

495
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: and all day Sunday to three thirty they were murdered.

496
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: We know that they were murdered in their bed. So

497
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to go on an assumption. I know it's

498
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: bad to assume. I'm going to assume they were in bed.

499
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I got to tell you thanks

500
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: for telling me this, because all along I've had visions

501
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: of them in various locations of the home. I've thought

502
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: about maybe a family room form, a living room, the

503
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: dining area. The thing that jumped to mind the first,

504
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 1: because they were talking about sharforce injuries. My default position

505
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: was kitchen, right, and so that's what I was thinking.

506
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: But when you say bed and not just bedroom, you're

507
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: seeing bed yes, so that paints this in a completely

508
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: different light. You're talking about gaining access to somebody to

509
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: arguably other than I guess the bathroom the most personal

510
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: area of someone's home. I don't just let anyone into

511
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: my bedroom. That's my sancto sectorium. That's just you know,

512
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: my place, all right, You're not supposed to be there

513
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: at all. Period into paragraph. And the fact that they

514
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: are in bed, that gives you an indication that whoever

515
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: perpetrated this, they would have to have intimate knowledge. First off,

516
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: of the hours that Rob and Michelle kept. When do

517
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: they go to bed? Oh, here's another piece. How deeply

518
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: do they sleep? You know? Is this like if I

519
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: walked into the room, are they going to you know,

520
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: is she a light sleeper? Is he a light sleeper?

521
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: Or they just going to pop up in bed? Well,

522
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: obviously they felt comfortable whoever this is to go into

523
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: the bedroom. And if this is accurate where they are

524
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: in bed, I have to assume that there is at

525
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: least some possibility that the perpetrator may have climbed into

526
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: bed with them. And this is one of the reasons

527
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I say this, because we're talking about a crime that

528
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: has been committed, and you and I have talked about

529
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: sharp forces injuries a lot over the years together. Dave

530
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: arguably the most personal of all deaths that exist out there.

531
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: The thing that I have heard repeatedly by all of

532
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: these talking heads is the word slashing, and it has

533
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: been mentioned over and over again. I have no way

534
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: to validate that, but just go with me here. If

535
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: their throats were in fact slashed, it's not like on

536
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: television where somebody comes to the door and someone sweeps

537
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: a knife blade over the antior aspect the neck. It

538
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, I guess. I suppose that it could,

539
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: but the line's share of the time, you have to

540
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: have a body or a person that is shored against

541
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: a surface like a bed or a wall or a floor,

542
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: where you can apply your weight literally to their throat

543
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: and press down with a knife to get the knife

544
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 1: to go through the depth of their neck DC. So

545
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: in order to do that, I guess you could stand

546
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: alongside them, off to either side of the bed and

547
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: cut their throat. But we're also hearing this idea that

548
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: there were multiple stab ones over and over and over

549
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: and over again, so this is very intimate. The person

550
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: had power it's always I'm always thinking that if there

551
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: are two subjects, male and female. Rob Reiner is not

552
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: a small guy. I mean, he's like six to two

553
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: or something like this. If it were if it were

554
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: the average person choosing a target, even though he's considerably

555
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: older than his wife, he's seventy eight, you're probably going

556
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: to go after him first. He's the most robust. He

557
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: presents the biggest threat. You would have to knock him

558
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: down in some way. Did he cry out? Did he

559
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: alert Michelle to what was going on? Because if they're

560
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: deep sleepers, I guess this could have happened and neither

561
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: one of them would have been aware that the other

562
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: one was being harmed. That's a possibility. Perhaps we don't

563
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: know anything about their sleeping habits, but if it's all

564
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: contained in here, David, this is one other point I

565
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: want to make, and I'm not going to give away

566
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: too much here. I will say, just let me finish

567
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: up with this. If in fact the subject gets into

568
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: the bed with them and attacks them like this, not

569
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: only are their bedclothes, the mattress, their pajamas, and their

570
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: bodies going to be super saturated with blood. The perpetrator

571
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: will be covered from head to toe with that blood

572
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: as well. Just for a second, just imagine the hands

573
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: that held you, caressed you, comforted you, took care of

574
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: you while you were sick, saw you off to your

575
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: first day of school, held your children. Because they're now grandparents.

576
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: You're staring down at their bodies and they're saturated with blood.

577
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: They have literally been butchered. I cannot imagine, Dave, what

578
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Rob and Michelle's daughter Romie was experiencing at that moment

579
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: that she walked into their residents and saw her parents

580
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: there deceased. It is something that will haunt her dreams

581
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: forever and ever.

582
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting the number of stories we've already

583
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: heard about where Nick Reiner was taken into custody, and

584
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: they tend to be different, you know, different stories. But

585
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: the one story we've heard of romy finding her parents

586
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: was because she couldn't get them on the phone, she

587
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: went to the house and let herself in because she

588
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: was concerned. And she is the one that found her

589
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: mother and father in their bed dead. Now, Joe I,

590
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: Billy Crystal and his wife, you know Billy, and they

591
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: were very close, Billy Crystal and Rob Ryner and Billy

592
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: Crystal is seen leaving the scene as tape is being

593
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: put up. You know, don't cross this line tape. And

594
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: the word is that he actually was able to take

595
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: a to rob, that he actually had a private before

596
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: they were removed from the house. And you've been at

597
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: plenty of crime scenes. Does that sound real or does

598
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: that sound made up? I do see a video of

599
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: Billy and his wife walking away in the dark, and

600
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. You and I cover a

601
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: lot of crimes. We cover a lot of these stories,

602
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: and I always try to think of the humanity. But

603
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: when you're watching somebody walking away from the home of

604
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: their friend and their friend is dead, and you see

605
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: them wiping tears, it doesn't matter how famous or rich

606
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: they are. They're crushed emotionally and they're walking down the

607
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: street holding hands with their loved one and just wondering

608
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: why this happened to this man, you know, And it's

609
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: a humanity issue there. It's not something to be poked

610
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: at and prodded at. And yet we got to know

611
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: what happened, because man, this is something that happens. And

612
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: you know, how many people, how many parents this year

613
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: have been killed by a child by their own spot,

614
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: you know, their own child, who killed them for any

615
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: number of reasons that they come to mind. I don't know.

616
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: There have been a few because we've covered them.

617
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: There are people that make their way onto scenes. I

618
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: hope that any kind of I hope that no contamination happened, okay,

619
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: within this environment, because that can be problematic the fact

620
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: that mister Crystal and perhaps his why or whomever gained

621
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: access to this location. I understand the emotion that's involved here,

622
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: I truly do, but this is at this point, you

623
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: had no idea, No one had any idea that the

624
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: sun was a suspect. I'm sure that people might have

625
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: toyed with it at that moment, Tom, but you're talking

626
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: early on in this investigation. The problem is is that

627
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: anytime you insert yourself as a civilian into a scene

628
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: that we like to think is still pristine, that maybe

629
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: only contains the DNA perhaps of the decedent and the victims.

630
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: You don't want to drag anything else into this environment.

631
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: And I understand people want to grieve and all these

632
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: sorts of things. There's a time and a place for everything,

633
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: and I just hope that the bodies were not touched

634
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: any way. I hope that. I don't know that. I

635
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: hope that certainly whoever was in their exercise restraint because

636
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: that can be problematic. And I say that could be

637
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: problematic because I take the long view of this. I

638
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: know how lawyers are, and they will use anything. They

639
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: will say, oh, well, these people just straped through the

640
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: pain and had access to the bodies because their job

641
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: is to try to get the defendant off.

642
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: And that's why I wondered if that was the truth.

643
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: I saw the video of him walking away, but I

644
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 2: wonder if all the other stuff about it was made up.

645
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, And you have to take it all

646
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt when it comes down to Hollywood.

647
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I have to say that. And look, if I'm offending

648
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: you and you're from Hollywood, Oh, I don't care. It's

649
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: just the reality of the real world that we kind

650
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: of exist in, and this is you know, this is

651
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: this is where the real world actually touches Hollywood. All

652
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, they found something they kind

653
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: of Yeah, go ahead.

654
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: All right, Remember you and I were both talking about

655
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: we'd heard about him being arrested in his hotel room,

656
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: and they're being blood Yep, he wasn't arrested in his

657
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: hotel room, Joe, but I think I found something you

658
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: need to know, all right. He was arrested in a

659
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: public area of Los Angeles Exposition Park neighborhood, which is

660
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: located near the USC campus. But Ryder checked into the

661
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: pier Side Santa Monica Hotel on Colorado Avenue around four

662
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: a m. Sunday morning. After he checked out later that

663
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: Sunday morning. After he checked out later that Sunday morning,

664
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: hotel staff discovered a room covered in blood, including a

665
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: shower described as full of blood and blood on the bed.

666
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: Okay, hang on one second, you've checked into hotels. I've

667
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: checked into hotels, all right, I've checked into ceed motels.

668
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have as well. When you didn't have

669
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money, such as been my case for

670
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: much of my life. How do you check in at

671
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: the desk and you're super saturated with blood and no

672
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: one sees this? I don't. I don't. That's one thing

673
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: that's that's baffling to me.

674
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: Could he have checked in for him? Let because they

675
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: get into the fight at Conan's, he grabs a bag,

676
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: and because he's been reported out of your things. Yeah,

677
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. He goes to the hotel. He

678
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: checks in at four a m. He's fine, No blood,

679
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: no nothing, just mad gets in the hotel room. Things.

680
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm getting them. I'm done.

681
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Look, let me, I got to ask you a question,

682
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: because you're going to have you might have first hand

683
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: knowledge of this. I'm not sure Brentwood is like a

684
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: poke from Santa Monica. I mean, it's not like they're

685
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: not like right on top of one another. I mean,

686
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: it's not something you're going to I guess you could

687
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: do uber, you could do a cab, but it's better

688
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: if you have your own wheels. Most people, you know,

689
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: that's what La is known for. Everybody has their own

690
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: car out there, right, And so it's kind of the

691
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: standard trope about layah. But you know, how do you

692
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: how far away is it? It's not some kind of

693
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: track you're going to make on foot.

694
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't walk it. But you're talking about He

695
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: was about twenty miles away from the hotel when they

696
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: found him at Exposition Park, Okay, Okay. And Exposition Park

697
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: is near usc Okay, So that's yeah. So it's well,

698
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: USC is well south of yes, Okay, that's what I thought.

699
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha.

700
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: But he's in the Santa Monica hotel is where he

701
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: checked in, So yeah, there is some distance here, which

702
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: is very normal for LA. So I'm thinking, and again,

703
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: you know what this is where we're making up based

704
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: on right, right, because you couldn't check into a hotel, bloody,

705
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: and you know, nobody's checking in like that. You wouldn't

706
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: let them come in there. But a guy who's mad

707
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: at his folks and needs place to stay at four

708
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: in the morning. Yeah, and it makes sense that okay

709
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: checks in. Now he's sitting there grinding his gears boom.

710
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: So now we know sometime after he checks into the

711
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: hotel at four am and before his sister eleven and

712
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: a half hours later comes into the house, they've been killed.

713
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: Also reports the rigor mortis had set in by the

714
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: time they were actually discovered by fire rescue. That's the report.

715
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, and that was you know, I

716
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: found it interesting earlier when you actually and you kind

717
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: of stopped when you said it. It's like the police,

718
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: the fire service walked in and they said, whoa, whoa, whoa,

719
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: you need to call the PD. Well, one of the things,

720
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: believe or not. One of the things that first responders

721
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: they will do. The first thing you're doing is checked

722
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: for a pulse. And even folks might not realize this

723
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: even when you have and you know, I know medical

724
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: people do. But just you know our friends out there

725
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: that listen to us, you don't necessarily know this. You

726
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: don't walk around with latex gloves on. You can sense

727
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: body heat very well demonstrated through latex gloves. You can

728
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: also sense rigidity because that's like a force you can manipulate,

729
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: and those sorts of things. You check the jaw, you

730
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: check the arms. One of the things you obviays see

731
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: firefighters go for us. They're going to go for the wrist.

732
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: They go for the risk because they can also check

733
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: for a pulse, and they can also bend the elbow.

734
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: If they sense that the individual is deceased, they're going

735
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: to try to move the arm. If there's any kind

736
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: of rigidity there, that's going to give them a clue.

737
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: So the police have a starting place, I think with

738
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: the timeline relative to what may have gone down, the

739
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: times involved, and the beauty of all of this is

740
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: that if this suspect Nick is carrying a phone, you're

741
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: going to have that time stamp. You go back to

742
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: the party earlier, which you know we've talked about now

743
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of extensively, that there's this fight or brewjaha that

744
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: breaks out. At the fight, people probably looked at their

745
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: phone and looked at their watch. I don't know if

746
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: the Rhiners made it out of the door early, like

747
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: they make an early exit. I've been in parties like

748
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: that where things have gone down it's like, I don't

749
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: need this, I'm leaving right now, and I make note

750
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: of the time that I leave. Perhaps people are going

751
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: to be aware of this. This is not this is

752
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: a lot not like Joe Schmoe walking out the door.

753
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: This is Rob Ryan or walking out the door. People

754
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: are going to pay attention, and particularly if his son

755
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: has created a scene here and he's been engaging with

756
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: all of these people around there. There's been rumors that

757
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: have been floating around about who exactly the son had

758
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: engaged with at the scene. One of the names that

759
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: has surfaced is Bill Hayter, who if you're not familiar

760
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: with him, he's the guy that does the imitations that's hilarious.

761
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't verify that, but you know,

762
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: again one of those rumored things that kind of circulates

763
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: through Hollywood. But anyway, we know that it's a star

764
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: studed event. There's people that are watching this, so you

765
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: can go back in time. I would imagine that LAPD

766
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: is going to be speaking to everybody that was at

767
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: that party. And I'm being you know, I guess a

768
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: little bit snarky by saying this. I wonder if they

769
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: have to contact their agent in order to get a

770
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: statement from them. They will be taking statements and trying

771
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: to nail down this timeline relative to what precisely happened

772
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: at that scene. I can tell you this, This is

773
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: arguably one of the most brutal cases certainly to emerge

774
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: out of Hollywood in recent memory. It has affected an

775
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: iconic family. We are just beginning to understand some of

776
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: the nuances involved in this case, and trust me, my friends,

777
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: there will be more. We will hear more coming out

778
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: over the following days, weeks, months, as this scene kind

779
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: of wins its way through the court system. We know

780
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: that there is a lot more to be told. The

781
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: one thing you have to be very very careful of here,

782
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: and you guys need to remind me of this as well.

783
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: There is a reason that fact in Hollywood becomes fiction,

784
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: and fiction sometimes becomes a fact. You have to wait

785
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: everything that comes out of Hollywood, you have to measure

786
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: it and try to understand is this real or is

787
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: this a fantasy? I know this. There are two people

788
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: that are now dead and it would appear that someone

789
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: in their inner circle has butchered them. I'm Joseph Scott

790
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: Morgan and this is bodybags