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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's the j n V. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the God.

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Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building in front

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Speaker 3: of the room. Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Angela, rae.

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Speaker 4: Hi friend, Hi brother, how are you? I am good?

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Speaker 4: I am you know, making it in the apocalypse?

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Speaker 5: Okay, the best of times, the optimism, optimism.

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Speaker 4: Okay, raise the Lord, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you are here.

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Speaker 3: Your brother has been doing some disrespectful stuff. He has

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Speaker 3: caught ice on me three times to try to get

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Speaker 3: me shipped out of this country.

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Speaker 1: What's the problem?

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Speaker 4: You did not do that?

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Speaker 1: What's the problem?

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Speaker 4: You didn't do that?

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Speaker 1: The problem?

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Speaker 4: That's not funny.

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Speaker 1: I don't see the problem.

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Speaker 6: And then Angela, he'd be rioting and just talking crap

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Speaker 6: against the Democratic Party every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: That's factual.

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Speaker 4: That is I know that that's true.

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Speaker 7: And there are many, there are many in the Democratic

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Speaker 7: Party who deserve to be trash talk.

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Speaker 4: Not as bad as these Republicans.

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Speaker 7: Since they're trying to take us back to eighteen sixty three,

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Speaker 7: I can argue it.

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Speaker 1: The Dems of the reason we're here. But that's a

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Speaker 1: whole You could.

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Speaker 7: Argue that, but that would be silly of you since

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Speaker 7: seventy five million people voted.

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Speaker 4: For this man.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but why did they do that?

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Speaker 4: Well, allegedly, but why did they do that?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean why they did that?

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Speaker 7: Because there's some of them are biggest, because some of

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Speaker 7: them are fascists, because some of them are sexist, because

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Speaker 7: some of them are homophobic, because some of them got issues,

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Speaker 7: and some of the others that were disenchanted.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that, Okay, congratulations on your State

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Speaker 1: of the People tour.

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Speaker 7: You know what, I would love to take the congratulations,

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Speaker 7: but I got to tell you the tour was so

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Speaker 7: eye opening. We're really hurting, like as the people were

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Speaker 7: really really hurting. Is something, and I'll say it publicly

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Speaker 7: to you because we talked about it privately.

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Speaker 4: I used to get so.

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Speaker 7: Mad at Leonardo, but for all the reasons, but at

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Speaker 7: Leonard for the times where he was saying to me

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Speaker 7: I was out of touch. I would get so upset

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Speaker 7: and I would I'm like, where you spent my whole career,

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Speaker 7: like helping a craft legislation for our people, doing jobs

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Speaker 7: like all of these things.

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Speaker 4: But the truth is, even if you're you know, out.

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Speaker 7: Of touch for a week, for two weeks, for a month,

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Speaker 7: you can get really out of touch. And you're thinking,

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Speaker 7: I'm helping people because I'm working on behalf of their

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Speaker 7: best interests. But how do you work on behalf of

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Speaker 7: somebody's best interests if you're not in community and talking

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about you bringing private

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Speaker 4: You do it all the time. Can you can you not?

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Speaker 7: Can you not for two seconds what you do? So

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Speaker 7: my point is saying, yes, just be quietet.

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Speaker 7: But I was gonna say that there was humbling, you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's so many stories like that. We had

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Speaker 7: So we met these people, we were able to meet

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Speaker 7: little longer than mine. We talking maybe about two or

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Speaker 7: we have to have structural systemic change in order for

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Speaker 4: And instead of people working to meet the most.

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Speaker 7: Basic needs and relieve our folks, they're creating cuts that

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Speaker 4: That's gonna be on all of us.

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Speaker 7: But because what I refuse to do is say, well,

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Speaker 4: No, that doesn't put food on their table tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: So I've been like, what do we do to solve

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Speaker 7: the black way, you know, we always look out for

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Speaker 7: that with all of this crazy infighting has happened.

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Speaker 1: So that's what the State of the People Tour was like.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So it was a tour where we focused first

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Speaker 4: To listen to the community.

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Speaker 7: What are you saying, what are you feeling, how are

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Speaker 7: you how is your life? What can we do to

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Speaker 7: make it better? And then we also emphasize policy by

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Speaker 7: creating a platform for our Black Papers policy initiative. Y'all know,

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Speaker 7: normally when it's a policy paper, it's called a white paper.

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Speaker 4: We have black Papers.

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Speaker 7: So Black Papers was more than seven hundred pages of

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Speaker 7: policy now thirty four papers, everything from healthcare to reparations,

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Speaker 7: to education, early childhood education, everything you could think of.

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Speaker 7: We tried to cover mass incarceration, really ensuring that our

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Speaker 7: folks know that they don't just have a project twenty

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Speaker 7: And then finally we did it in coalition with more

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Speaker 7: than two hundred local and national organizations. Black folks like

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Speaker 7: this have not come together since the Bloods and the

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Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, so, you know what can

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Speaker 3: So, usually, you know, fast food restaurants back in the

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Speaker 2: What could they do? What can they do? What's the change?

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Speaker 2: Where's the change?

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Speaker 7: I think the change comes from within. And by that

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Speaker 7: I'm not talking about find your food inside yourself. I'm

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Speaker 7: talking about us, right, like, we have to change our mentality.

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Speaker 7: We have more than enough.

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Speaker 4: I was waking up.

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Speaker 7: My prayer every morning during the tour was God, I

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Speaker 7: the truth. So if we embody that and we say, Okay,

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Speaker 7: I have all of these extra clothes that I don't need,

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Speaker 7: And I think that is what's most important. Policy only

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Speaker 7: works when you prioritize the needs of the people, when

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Speaker 7: you're compassionate towards people, regardless of their immigration status, regardless

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Speaker 7: doctor King. And so I think some of that is

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Speaker 7: about what can we do differently? So I would ask

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Speaker 7: I shouldn't do everything. I'm better at rapid response than

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Speaker 7: long term planning. I think some of that is undiagnosed.

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Speaker 7: So I should be on the rapid response squad, but

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Speaker 5: So what was the biggest thing you learned from the

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Speaker 1: Takeaway to see the marathon or the tour the tour,

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Speaker 4: So the tour was twelve cities and then we did

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Speaker 7: I think the most important thing that I learned is

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Speaker 7: than anything else, we're just unstoppable. We are really unmatched.

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Speaker 7: So I learned that I learned the importance of listening.

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Speaker 7: I listened a lot more than I talked on that tour,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what would you say to people who say,

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Speaker 5: I hear you, Angela RAI, But we've always felt like that,

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Speaker 5: like where you are now we've been there.

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Speaker 7: Well they said that, you know, Like so there are

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Speaker 7: folks were like, well, we've been here, now y'all care

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Speaker 7: I was like, you're right, it's sad, but that's true

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Speaker 4: So that is absolutely the truth. Is it right? Absolutely not,

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Speaker 7: I think some of us, and I'll speak for myself,

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Speaker 7: when you see somebody in need and you know you

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Speaker 4: A blind eye.

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Speaker 7: That's not the right thing to do. But I'm like,

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Speaker 7: if I don't know how to fix it, I'm a

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Speaker 7: So I'm gonna try to pretend like I'm not here.

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Speaker 7: There was a time where you could go to petition

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Speaker 5: But some people have felt like that about the federal

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Speaker 5: What if your factual reality have been poverty and your

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Speaker 4: How much more?

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Speaker 7: If our kids can't eat, how much more? If they

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Speaker 2: People feel like they do complain so much and.

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Speaker 7: And I'm gonna say, I exist in this privilege, but bubble,

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Speaker 4: Meeting, they're like, how when is it? Where is it?

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Speaker 7: If y'all have this, you guys all do public appearances.

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Speaker 7: a different type of experience. We are a people powered democracy,

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Speaker 7: at least we should be, and that means more people

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Speaker 4: If it's the same two or three, I don't know

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Speaker 1: You said something, and I think it tends to be

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Speaker 5: Right when somebody says, I don't know how you have

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Speaker 4: You don't saying that to me. I don't do that.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to defend them, no, but I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just saying that is part of the problem.

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Speaker 5: When people ask questions, you'll have these people that get

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Speaker 1: You should know any things, You should know what that

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Speaker 7: I do feel like I think people should know because

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Speaker 4: I don't think that they should be scolded.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think they should be scolded or we

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Speaker 7: So I don't think we should make people feel bad,

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Speaker 1: So many and I don't say my gullet. No, I'm

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Speaker 5: Yes, what do you think about President Obama critiquing Demo

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like he should have been saying that.

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Speaker 5: It was at a fundraiser in Jersey, and I guess

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Speaker 5: he was just talking about, you know, what they should be.

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Speaker 1: Doing in the future.

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Speaker 4: I guess my issue right now.

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Speaker 7: My issue right now with President Obama and Michelle Obama

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Speaker 4: Can you also talk about the Medicare and Medicaid cuts?

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Speaker 7: And I think for me, if you all were saying

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Speaker 7: Why there is an expectation of Democrats or any elected

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Speaker 7: Right, So, if you're treating all of this as normal,

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Speaker 1: That actually gives me hope. That's why.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like my grandmother was saying the same thing in

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Speaker 5: How do you feel about democrats who all of a

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Speaker 1: But they didn't do that.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to figure out why you think it's all

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Speaker 4: No, I think right, Okay, So do I have my

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Speaker 7: So I just feel like if somebody this question, but

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Speaker 1: He's on seeing that every day, talking to talking to the.

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Speaker 5: wrong with him. Maybe y'all shouldn't run a different candidate

447
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Speaker 5: than probably wouldn't be in this situation.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe that.

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Speaker 7: I think that the lie was sexier to people than

450
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Speaker 7: the truth, and they went with the lie, and they

451
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Speaker 7: knew Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 7: so the.

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Speaker 1: Lie wasn't Joe Biden is okay? Remember remember when was

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Speaker 1: up there.

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Speaker 5: Saying that Joe Biden had dementia and you and Tiffany

456
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Speaker 5: got mad at him.

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Speaker 1: It was like, don't say that.

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Speaker 4: Well, And I told you, guys, why, I told you

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's funny. I told y'all why.

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Speaker 7: My grandmother literally was suffer from dementia. And he still

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Speaker 7: doesn't have dementia. He does not have dimentia, showing early.

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Speaker 1: Signs of dimion according to the original sin that we

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 3: According to my own eyes, we do know he does

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Speaker 3: not have early signs, just like his mom had dementia.

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Speaker 2: I said, he is showing early signs of dementia something.

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Speaker 5: And you just knew something was wrong, and we knew

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Speaker 5: we couldn't We knew he couldn't win in November.

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Speaker 7: All I'm telling you is I was personally offended because

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Speaker 7: my grandmother had dementia.

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Speaker 4: So y'all got on my nerves that day because of that.

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Speaker 7: Now, as for what Karina's doing and Jake invite them

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Speaker 7: on the show and asked them, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But what I can tell you is Karine had her

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Speaker 4: own experience of.

476
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Speaker 7: Being regularly challenged her brilliance, being challenged by white men

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Speaker 7: who she was supposed to.

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Speaker 1: For that white man all the time.

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Speaker 7: I'm not talking about that, Leonard, and I'm talking about

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Speaker 7: staff people as well. And so when you are being

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Speaker 7: challenged by your peers rather than covered because they don't

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Speaker 7: want you in a role that may you know jade

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Speaker 7: you just a little bit. You might be a little

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Speaker 7: frustrated by that. So I mean I get it, you know,

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Speaker 7: I feel like I've always been independent minded and voting

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Speaker 7: down a Democratic ticket because that's where my values are

487
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Speaker 7: more aligned.

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Speaker 4: Are they perfectly aligned? No, No, that's never been the case.

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Speaker 7: You ain't never seen me come up here talking about

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Speaker 7: the dim Democratic parties the only way.

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Speaker 4: That's not it.

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Speaker 7: But I'm saying I know what for sure is not

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Speaker 7: the way. I know what for sure is a dead end.

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Speaker 7: Quite literally is on the other side of the eye.

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Speaker 1: So if we knew that, how come we did? Who

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Speaker 1: is we the people?

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Speaker 5: Because clearly, like it was like seventy percent of people

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Speaker 5: felt like they didn't want to Biden Trump rematch. Fifty

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Speaker 5: six percent of Democrats said that Joe Biden should not

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Speaker 5: be I think we all agree.

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Speaker 4: I think we all agree with that.

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Speaker 7: He told us initially he was going to do one term,

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Speaker 7: and that was the expectation that I think many of

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Speaker 7: us had. So I never was like, oh, please run

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden again. I think we run the tape back.

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Speaker 7: Guess I'm on here saying that.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you. I'm sorry, I just want to

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Speaker 2: say one thing. Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 3: Right, you fought for Marilyn Moseby to get parton Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden didn't pardon them.

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Speaker 2: His whole family, part in his whole family, right, Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump part is anybody that's cool with him all the time.

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Speaker 3: How did that make you feel that? Did that make

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Speaker 3: you feel like like what Obama said? Democratsic cowitch is

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Speaker 3: a lady that did nothing wrong, who does the right thing.

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Speaker 3: You guys, fought to get her pardon. You fought for

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Speaker 3: the Democrats. You rode for Joe Biden, you rode for

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 7: This is very loosely fought for the Democrats and rode

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Speaker 7: for Joe Biden. Want I wanted Kamala Harris to be.

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Speaker 4: Our president before she was announced.

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Speaker 7: I was gonna go with the nomination. I think there's

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Speaker 7: a difference, and I am going to a fact that

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Speaker 7: pardon her and accept this man. And then you see

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Speaker 7: him part in his whole family, who we said he

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Speaker 7: wasn't gonna pardon. You see Trump parting everybody first day.

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Speaker 7: He just came with a stage and part in everybody.

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Speaker 7: How does that make you feel about Democrats? Because it

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Speaker 7: makes me feel like Democrats don't ride for their own

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Speaker 7: But then you look at Trump. He rides for his call,

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Speaker 7: he rides for his base. So it's like, damn well,

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Speaker 7: and I think I think that the challenge that I

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Speaker 7: will offer us to consider and I respond to the question,

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Speaker 7: but I just want us to contextualize this.

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Speaker 4: He is very crooked.

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Speaker 7: He is violating the emoluments Clause every single day. He

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Speaker 7: is taking gifts from foreign governments to be persuaded, to

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Speaker 7: be conflicted out of basic decisions. So I take issue

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Speaker 7: with striving to be more like somebody who's very crooked,

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Speaker 7: who had eighty eight indictments but was ninety one.

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Speaker 4: They dropped a few. But I have issues with trying

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Speaker 4: to be more like corruption. I don't want an elected

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Speaker 4: official to be corrupt.

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Speaker 7: I will say it pissed me off that Joe Biden

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Speaker 7: and the team that was advising him would not stand

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Speaker 7: for this black woman. I know of black people who

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Speaker 7: worked in the White House Counsel's office who were fighting

548
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Speaker 7: for Maryland and they were not heard. So it was devastating.

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Speaker 7: What I will say is very vindicating though for her,

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Speaker 7: at least is in her appeals case that was.

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Speaker 4: Just recently heard. Her mortgage fraud conviction.

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Speaker 7: Was overturned, which which I think is bizarre too because

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Speaker 7: I felt like the perjury was the weakest link.

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Speaker 4: But I will say it is so vindicating.

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Speaker 7: She gets to keep the property that the black judge

556
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Speaker 7: who was appointed by Joe Biden told her she could

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Speaker 7: not have and needed to be forfeit. She doesn't have

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Speaker 7: to give up her property, which I think is really

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Speaker 7: important for her and her girls.

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Speaker 4: So I heard you mention the Epstein files earlier.

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Speaker 1: Does this?

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Speaker 6: Do you think that this can really really hurt Trump

563
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Speaker 6: because they don't really seem to care about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. He doesn't seem to care about much nothing.

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Speaker 7: I would say that it could hurt him, especially if

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Speaker 7: the you know, the fringe of his base, the folks

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Speaker 7: who's ascribed to all of the conspiracy theories, continue to

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Speaker 7: write it out and he doesn't respond in time with

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Speaker 7: actually unfeeling the files or appointing a special prosecutor. I

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Speaker 7: think it's bizarre that this man, who he was friends

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Speaker 7: with at least for two decades, was on the private jet.

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Speaker 7: Now he's not going to release the files, But what's

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Speaker 7: in there?

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump? Why you don't want to share it?

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Speaker 1: I feel like Democrats should never stop talking about the

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Speaker 1: Epstein files.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, because I feel like this is their

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Speaker 5: transgender in women's sports issue.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with that. I think that they should

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Speaker 7: talk about it because it also creates that same type

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Speaker 7: of ambiguity, the cloud of corruption. He does what he

582
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Speaker 7: wants to do whenever it's beneficial to him, and he

583
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Speaker 7: doesn't really care about you. I think that that is

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Speaker 7: the most important thing they could say, because there are

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Speaker 7: a lot of people who were Trump supporters who are poor, broke,

586
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Speaker 7: busted and discussed it, still down on their luck, still

587
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Speaker 7: don't have anything to show for his election. So if

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Speaker 7: you still don't have anything to show for it, but

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Speaker 7: you see this man now has a multimillion dollar jet,

590
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Speaker 7: his family is doing really well, his cryptocurrency sword on

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Speaker 7: the other side of the inauguration, what do you have

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Speaker 7: to show for it? How did you benefit? Because if

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Speaker 7: you don't have anything to show for it, well, what

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Speaker 7: is your.

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Speaker 4: What does your vote really do?

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Speaker 5: And it builds a bridge between Democrats and Magna Ever

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Speaker 5: since Trump won, they've been trying to do that, right now,

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Speaker 5: whether there's Gavin Newsom with his corny ass podcast, right

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Speaker 5: but I'm just saying like they're always trying to, you know,

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Speaker 5: build support, build.

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Speaker 1: A bridge with me.

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Speaker 7: Gavin tag right into his whiteness. He chat right into

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Speaker 7: his whiteness in a very.

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Speaker 1: In authentic way. But you know this is an actual

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Speaker 1: authentic way, because this is something that is the truth.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think that there's nothing better than the truth.

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Speaker 7: You always talk about how important it is to tell

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Speaker 7: the truth.

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Speaker 4: I think that too.

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Speaker 7: So we shouldn't be pontificating on conspiracy theories. We should

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Speaker 7: be asking real questions. We don't know, no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's as I say. We don't know what's in the files,

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Speaker 7: but you do, so release them.

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Speaker 4: Make sure we all know.

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Speaker 5: Do you think the files haven't been released, because if

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Speaker 5: they do, it'll be mutually assured destruction, meaning that you know,

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Speaker 5: high profile individuals from both parties are definitely probably in

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Speaker 5: the files, Allies probably.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Allies donors.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really don't know what's in the diplomats. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what's in the files.

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Speaker 7: And just based on what I just was saying, I

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Speaker 7: don't want to deepen more into the conspiracy parts of it.

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Speaker 7: What I would rather say is, if your people ask

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Speaker 7: for it, this is what you promise, your people, make

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Speaker 7: good on your promise, be true to what you said.

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Speaker 5: I and if I'm a Democrat and I'm, you know,

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Speaker 5: constantly staying on the epsteinm file. Even if I know

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Speaker 5: that there are people from my party in there, they're

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Speaker 5: probably people you need to throw under the bus anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: because I feel like whoever is the future of the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party has to throw the old regime under the bus.

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Speaker 4: Especially if the old regime was engaging in child abuse.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, like there's there's no we should

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Speaker 7: that should be a bipartisan or really a nonpartisan thing.

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Speaker 7: There are some things that we should not allow or

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Speaker 7: hold to be acceptable. We shouldn't be covering up anything

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Speaker 7: for anybody.

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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, how do you feel about

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Speaker 5: folks who may have supported Trump having buyer's remorse now

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Speaker 5: and speaking out against it?

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Speaker 1: Like is it the time to say I told you so?

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Speaker 1: Or is it the time the coalition build?

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Speaker 7: You want my higher self answer, I want you just

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Speaker 7: to answer, well, I have two answers. My first answer

647
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Speaker 7: is something I should say on radio, forget y'all. I'll

648
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Speaker 7: say it that way, forget y'all, like we tried to

649
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Speaker 7: tell you over and over again, like you are sofoul.

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Speaker 7: My higher self answer is I think that people make

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Speaker 7: mistakes and some mistakes they make are extraordinarily costly, and

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Speaker 7: so I would really want to understand how they got

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Speaker 7: there and what do we do as a people to

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Speaker 7: ensure that folks don't get there. Ever again, they got

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Speaker 7: that though, No, I don't me and you disagree on this.

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Speaker 7: I think there are multiple pasthway to get to the

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Speaker 7: pathways to get to this dummy well.

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Speaker 5: I think I think for so long we've tried to

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Speaker 5: tell people why they should care about politics or why

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Speaker 5: they should vote a certain way, but we don't talk

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Speaker 5: to them to see why they voted that way.

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Speaker 1: For me, when Donald Trump won, it wasn't a surprise.

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Speaker 1: We was together anyone.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't a surprise because I've been having these conversations.

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Speaker 5: I can see where Democrats were missing the mark and

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Speaker 5: where he was speaking to dinner table issues.

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Speaker 1: Now whether he wanted to do.

668
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 7: Those things dinner table issues and knowing someone from their

669
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 7: past four years in office is a liar and it's

670
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 7: not going to look out for the least.

671
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: That last year.

672
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 5: We've had this conversation a million times. Not with that

673
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 5: last year, PPP checks was flying in them and.

674
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: Now these PPP people's in jail.

675
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: But sure, but people will.

676
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 5: People will forget what you did, they'll forget what you said,

677
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 5: They'll never forget how you made them feel.

678
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 7: Well.

679
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: I wonder how they feel behind bars, like I think behind.

680
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 5: A lot of sending them trailers in South Carolina to

681
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 5: live in the life. They still got that Christ of three, honey,

682
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 5: some of them living their best life right now, still

683
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: waiting for another stimmy. And you know what they do

684
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 5: every now and then when those touches happening and everybody's

685
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: getting mad, We're gonna give everybody five thousand dollars. Y'all

686
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 5: just relaxed. Everybody's like, yeah, that's what we voted.

687
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: For, and then where's that five thousand dollars?

688
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 3: Now?

689
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 7: I guess all I'm saying is, you know, at some

690
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 7: point people have to understand how the government works.

691
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 4: Donald Trump didn't write a blank check.

692
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: He did sign the checks smart.

693
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: I agree it was smart.

694
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 7: But in all of that, what I hope his supporters

695
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 7: and even people who are like indifferent, I hope what

696
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 7: they see over time is this this man will do

697
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 7: anything to promote himself, and that is all that he's

698
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 7: good at. He's not good at keeping his promises. He's

699
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 7: not good at telling the truth. He's not good at

700
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 7: people first policy. He's good at promoting himself.

701
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: That's it.

702
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 5: That's why the Epstein list is good and why Democrats

703
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 5: stay on it, because this is the one time I've

704
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 5: seen people who voted for Trump and the MAGA.

705
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: Base be like lying. Yeah, so yeah, so not only

706
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: is he lying about.

707
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: This things, That's right. Go be a consultant. You good

708
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: at this, That's good.

709
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask about what was your thoughts on

710
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: everything that happened with the Essence Festival?

711
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, so a lot of people upset that.

712
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: You know that Target was still the sponsoring people with boycotting.

713
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: What was your thoughts on all that.

714
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 7: I still say boycott Target number one, Target fast. If

715
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 7: I see black people with Target bag just I'm mugging y'all.

716
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 7: All right, Lauren got once she got a makeup, No

717
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 7: one right now from I didn't get you know, I

718
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 7: didn't get this from. I would tell you if I did.

719
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 7: I did support when my girl Klina was in there.

720
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 7: But I'm telling you right now, they better get it together.

721
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 7: I think that this is a really dope oppert tunity

722
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 7: for black people to show we don't just support black

723
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 7: business in a boycott. We do that because it's the

724
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 7: right thing and our stuff is better anyway, So I

725
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 7: just yes, I'm irritated that they were a sponsor, but

726
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 7: it's a multi year deal, so I understand that. I

727
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 7: thought it was hilarious that they tried to make their

728
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 7: activation pink so people didn't know that. It was like

729
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 7: the red and white target was like, let's if we're

730
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 7: really in red and white, it's pink, let's.

731
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 4: Make it pink. People couldn't see the logo till they

732
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: walked all the way in.

733
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Speaker 7: I want to shout out Alfonso David has become a

734
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 7: brother to me from Global Black Economic Forum.

735
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 4: He did a tremendous job on his stage.

736
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 7: There were a lot of really good things about Essence

737
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 7: Fest and the videos that I was saying. I was

738
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 7: telling then I was like, I didn't see any of

739
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 7: this stuff the way that they're portraying it. So I'm

740
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 7: just not sure. I will say I did not go

741
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 7: to any of the concerts, so I didn't. I don't

742
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 7: know what that experience was, Like. I wanted to go,

743
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 7: and my day that I could go, I just was

744
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 7: not feeling well.

745
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: So it worth it taking the money to create black joy.

746
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: That's what we are right now.

747
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 5: Right We're in a space right now where we need

748
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 5: to empower each other in various ways, and creating spaces

749
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: of black joy is one of those things.

750
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, So taking that money to create I think I'm not.

751
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 7: I just wanted I want us to divorce ourselves from

752
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 7: Target until they meet the demands that Jamal and Tamika

753
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 7: and Nina have been very clear about.

754
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: The demands are great, including standing.

755
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 7: Up opportunities for HBCU students at business schools. At HBC

756
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 7: there's no you have retail shops at twis at traditionally

757
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 7: white institutions. You can do that same thing at HBCUs.

758
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 7: You can appoint another black board member, you can have

759
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 7: a black CEO, your CEO about to step down. You

760
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 7: can put black people in position to succeed as contractors,

761
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 7: as vendors, and as employees at Target. So I don't

762
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 7: understand what the issue is. If they can't meet those

763
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 7: most basic needs, they don't need our money. What I'm saying,

764
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 7: I understand what you're saying. I think that there still

765
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 7: have to be parameters. If you look historically at some

766
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 7: of the nation's civil rights orgs, some of our other

767
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 7: folks who if there are influencers who y'all know, who

768
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 7: take money from some of these large corporations to distract

769
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 7: us from our demands of these corporations regularly, I would

770
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 7: name drop, but I'm.

771
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: Gonna be nice.

772
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: I think you should.

773
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 7: No, I won't, but I think that what's important is

774
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 7: that we are all aligned. So if we're gonna take

775
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 7: the money, we know that these are the accountability metrics.

776
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 7: You don't get a blanket endorsement from us. We're saying, yeah,

777
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 7: here's this partnership. We're not doing anymore right now. Some

778
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 7: of our black denominations in the churches have taken money,

779
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 7: but they know that they see one of a pastor

780
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 7: leading this charge.

781
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: Don't do that. It undermines us. That is literally how

782
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: black people got into slavery.

783
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm gonna take this five dollars from my family,

784
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 7: but I'm gonna send y all over there.

785
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: Don't do that. That is so harmful.

786
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: One thing people say, and you know, we've had this

787
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: conversation with Jamal and Tamika as well. What about all

788
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: the other companies who rolled back DEI initiatives? Yeah, the

789
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: metas we on Facebook and we on Instagram every day.

790
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: You know the Walmart, the Amazon? Do you get Amazon packaged?

791
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 7: A lot of churches are boy Amazon to a lot

792
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 7: of interviews. A lot of interviews are boy kind of.

793
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Go to the house and see if they got packaged.

794
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 7: I want to say, I have cut way back. All

795
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 7: I have is my just Water on an automatic subscription.

796
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 7: But I have cut way back. I did have an

797
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 7: Amazon problem. I have since been delivered like every day ordering.

798
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: Like that's how I was.

799
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: So what do you say to those people who feel like,

800
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: wellocott and.

801
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 7: You know what, I feel like, it's hard to boycott

802
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 7: everything at once, especially if you live in communities where

803
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 7: there are not that many options to shop and all that.

804
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: It's hard.

805
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 7: So I think to make an example out of one

806
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 7: so that other organizations, other corporations fall in line is

807
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 7: also a smart tactic.

808
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: I think Target was personal for.

809
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 7: Us, Like I don't know about you just but I

810
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 7: would just be up and down the aisles like I'm going.

811
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 7: I would say Starbucks and Target for one thing and

812
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 7: leave with a cart full of five hundred dollars worth

813
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 7: of stuff I did not need.

814
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: So I think that it was personal. It was like

815
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 4: you messed with our sanctuary, Like why.

816
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 5: That's how I feel abot Walmart TALKINGT I used to

817
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 5: go to Talking for T shirts, but Walmart was because

818
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 5: you know, growing up in most corner, that was the

819
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 5: place that was open twenty four hours, and we were kids,

820
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 5: we would go wandering around Walmart.

821
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 6: That's both of them for me, Walmart and Target. Yeah,

822
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 6: talking got they had better selections and stuff. He was

823
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 6: a little he thought a little boogie me was in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

824
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 6: that was the thing.

825
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 1: And sometimes you go around there, you just wandered because

826
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: you high. Were you high?

827
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: He's trying to say me.

828
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 7: You know, I will say, I am grateful for what

829
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 7: cannabis is doing for my mother right now. She's going

830
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 7: through chemo, and she my dad has been very eager

831
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 7: to make sure that she had an edible.

832
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 5: Now.

833
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 7: The first edible that my mom had was not for

834
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 7: her because she was sitting on the floor facing the

835
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 7: wall and the TV was behind her. Said, that's exactly

836
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 7: how she has one that has been recommended by the

837
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 7: nutritionists now and she's doing much better.

838
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: So her appetite is good and she's so proud of

839
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 4: my mom.

840
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 5: She found on that because your mom is dealing with cancer, yes,

841
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: and so the nutrition just recommended her edible for.

842
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 7: What exactly, So it's I think it's a I don't

843
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 7: remember if it's one to one or something CBD and

844
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 7: THC yeah.

845
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 4: CBN, CBN and THC yeah, yeah, okay.

846
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 7: So she's on that and it's helping her to eat

847
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 7: a lot better. The other ones just had my mom

848
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 7: like she was gone. I was sitting here.

849
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 4: I said, I see that you like to get up?

850
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: Did you ask your mom which one she like better?

851
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 7: She might like that, But if she's not eating, because

852
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 7: like she's literally like I can't even move, Yeah, no.

853
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I got what if she was enjoying what she was

854
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: seeing on the wall, and she's enjoying.

855
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 7: What she's seen on the wall, but she's still twenty

856
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 7: pounds lighter and she's already tiny, not to.

857
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 4: Get her stuck looking at the wall.

858
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 6: What advice this is my last question, What advice do

859
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 6: you have for people listening who just like don't even

860
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 6: care about you know, they've given up all hope for

861
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 6: like the government, they don't.

862
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: Have any faith, like anymore in it.

863
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 4: What would you say to them?

864
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 7: You know what I would say is I know this

865
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 7: is a government that was built on our backs and

866
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 7: never for us, and I think that it's important to

867
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 7: decide whether you will reform it and shift what it

868
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 7: was designed to do, or whether you will overhaul it

869
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 7: and do something different. Regardless of what decision you make,

870
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 7: it's just most important to engage. You know that we

871
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 7: advocate for our collective best interests, that we show up

872
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 7: to ensure that our voices are heard, that we're seeing

873
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 7: that our people can't be ignored. And I think some

874
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 7: of the best ways we can do that right now

875
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 7: is just showing up together collectively and making a difference

876
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 7: for ourselves. I think we could still build structures outside

877
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 7: of the government that serve our most basic needs. But

878
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 7: I absolutely suggest that if you are paying a tax

879
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 7: ban citizen, you have every right to demand something better

880
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 7: at this government, and.

881
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 4: It owes us for sure.

882
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: I got a couple more questions.

883
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 5: Do you think traditional media, because you know you're having

884
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: great success with the Native Land podcast yourself, Andrew Gilliam

885
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 5: and Tiffany Cross, do you think traditional.

886
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Media still plays a role in shaping.

887
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 5: Not just black political opinion, but political opinion overall, or

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Speaker 5: have we fully moved into an era where non traditional

889
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Speaker 5: media is controlling all the naratives.

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Speaker 7: I think that they have a role and they have

891
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Speaker 7: an obligation, and for the most part, traditional media is

892
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 7: epically failing. Like there's an epic fail, like the fact

893
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Speaker 7: that the fines that they're paying to settle cases with

894
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump. The ways in which they're talking about some

895
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Speaker 7: of the greatest crises right now is insane to me.

896
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Speaker 4: I'm like, are we living in the same universe? Are

897
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Speaker 4: you seeing what I'm seeing?

898
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Speaker 7: Are you hearing what these members of Congress are reporting

899
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Speaker 7: back from visits or state elected officials. We're living in

900
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Speaker 7: really rough times and for them to not be talking

901
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Speaker 7: about it or for me, I was upset when they

902
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Speaker 7: were spending just as much time on Puff's trial.

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Speaker 4: As they were on the budget cutting irresponsible. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think it's it is.

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Speaker 7: There isn't a huge obligation on behalf of media, and

906
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Speaker 7: yet I feel like they're failing. So because they're failing,

907
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Speaker 7: new media has opportunities to tell the truth and to

908
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Speaker 7: make sure that people know that they exist and they're

909
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Speaker 7: not and folks aren't crazy sitting at home.

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Speaker 5: Is that why you focus more on I don't even

911
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Speaker 5: like to call it non traditional media no more, because

912
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Speaker 5: I feel like that is media nowadays. But is that

913
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Speaker 5: why you focus on like I'm gonna do the State

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Speaker 5: of the People Marathon on YouTube or I'm gonna do

915
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Speaker 5: Native Land. You know, podcasts on YouTube and you know

916
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Speaker 5: we have a podcast is distributed.

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Speaker 1: Is that why? Because it's not like you can't go

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Speaker 1: on television when you want to.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think for me, I'll say the last TV

920
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Speaker 7: interview I did reminded me of what I did not

921
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Speaker 7: miss about it touched you? Yeah, But I think it's

922
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Speaker 7: more like it's just I'm a germophobe, and I think

923
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Speaker 7: so especially white men know just.

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Speaker 4: They don't wash their hands. The Italian he said he

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Speaker 4: washed his hands too.

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Speaker 1: It's like, first of all, first.

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Speaker 4: Of all, you're not gonna fame. Mean, while I'm holding

928
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Speaker 4: this camera, I didn't say.

929
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Speaker 1: I did not say that carcause of your hands.

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Speaker 4: Looked clean.

931
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Speaker 7: But I'm just saying it's a lot of people, you

932
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Speaker 7: can tell, even how they move about the world, they

933
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Speaker 7: don't watch it. Yeah, So I'm like, why didn't you

934
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Speaker 7: touch me? So I'm a germophobe and it was like

935
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Speaker 7: not even thought about you.

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Speaker 5: But I think that what it was kind of was

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Speaker 5: a shushion too, like it was Yeah, I think sometimes

938
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Speaker 5: they do that on TV.

939
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Speaker 1: It's like to minimize you in a way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he went about to do that.

941
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Speaker 3: But I just think that you have a conversation after that, no, no,

942
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Speaker 3: about what because you're just like, you don't touch me.

943
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Speaker 1: Don't touch me, don't put you don't know this, you

944
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Speaker 1: don't know this.

945
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Speaker 2: Hood if he came bologize.

946
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Speaker 4: But I think that he's so cocky that he you

947
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Speaker 4: know that he wouldn't.

948
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Speaker 7: But my point in bringing that up is I think

949
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Speaker 7: it reminded me of how unproductive those conversations are.

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Speaker 4: I'm going on to argue with you. You got the

951
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Speaker 4: people who are backing you in your corner.

952
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Speaker 7: I got the people back in me in my corner,

953
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Speaker 7: my corner, and there's a very small, convincible middle. And

954
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Speaker 7: I I just think, you know, if we're not having

955
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Speaker 7: conversations to really get to yes and be like, well,

956
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Speaker 7: I can understand your perspective. What is it that you're saying,

957
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 7: like people should have to be held to facts, right,

958
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 7: people go on there and just lied to make up numbers.

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Speaker 4: It's like, what's the point of this? This is reality TV?

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Speaker 4: This isn't the news.

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Speaker 5: That's why people like you need to be there though,

962
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Speaker 5: And I think it takes a very special person to

963
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Speaker 5: occupy that space, and You've always been a very special

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Speaker 5: person in that space.

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Speaker 1: That's why you stand out.

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Speaker 7: Thanks brother, Well, I like doing the podcast and say

967
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Speaker 7: that people wasn't just about content development, It also was

968
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Speaker 7: really about touching lives.

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, do you really feel like Republicans cheated in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four? It was all over Fox News this week?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you would. Fox News really like our podcast. That

972
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Speaker 4: is so nice. They should put the link in there

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Speaker 4: so people could watch that tune into them.

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Speaker 7: I would just say I am very you know, I

975
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Speaker 7: feel like Black women and the Holy Ghosts are very close.

976
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Speaker 7: And I feel like if something about my fighty senses

977
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Speaker 7: are tingling, and they have been since the day after

978
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Speaker 7: the election when we were all together.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Some is not right. There's the elections troop,

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Speaker 4: the Lions.

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Speaker 7: I believe ETA has a whole report on some of

982
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Speaker 7: the inconsistencies and election results. There is another entity that

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Speaker 7: I can't think of right now that also has a

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Speaker 7: report on this. Clark County had some irregularities in Nevada.

985
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Speaker 4: So I mean, I have questions.

986
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Speaker 7: And then why did Donald Trump say in January that

987
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Speaker 7: Elon musk knew how to work the Pennsylvania the local

988
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Speaker 7: machines in Pennsylvania better than anybody and that's why he

989
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Speaker 7: won by landslide. Who says that if you know, it's

990
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Speaker 7: just and maybe you guys could say he has dementia too.

991
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Speaker 7: I hope you don't without any you know, proof, but

992
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Speaker 7: I think that, you know, he says some things that

993
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Speaker 7: are jarring.

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Speaker 4: Especially about how he won the election. We got some

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Speaker 4: surprises for.

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Speaker 7: You, I think they said too. So yeah, I'm not sure,

997
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Speaker 7: but I definitely don't feel good about it. It would

998
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 7: make me feel better knowing that he's stole it rather

999
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 7: than this many people would vote for this man.

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Speaker 1: Nah, not really.

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Speaker 5: I mean, because you know, like we knew Biden had

1002
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Speaker 5: a record low approval rating, and you know, you know,

1003
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Speaker 5: the VP her approval rating was just as unpopular.

1004
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Speaker 1: And they gave her one hundred days and she did

1005
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Speaker 1: a great job, and that was one hundred and seven days.

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Speaker 5: She did a great job in one hundred and six days,

1007
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Speaker 5: just putting some energy into the campaign.

1008
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Speaker 7: But I don't just think she put energy into the campaign.

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Speaker 7: She also did something structurally that were very, very helpful.

1010
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Speaker 7: I think people got to see another side of Kamala Harris,

1011
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Speaker 7: and I still think that it was hard to break through.

1012
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Speaker 7: They wasted a lot of money on things that weren't

1013
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Speaker 7: going to help her candidacy, but made the consultant who

1014
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Speaker 7: work for her campaign rich.

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Speaker 1: And she dropped.

1016
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Speaker 5: She did drop the ball in very key moments, like

1017
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Speaker 5: on the View when she says she wouldn't do anything

1018
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Speaker 5: different from President Biden.

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Speaker 4: I think.

1020
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Speaker 5: I think he had a record low approval rating. People

1021
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 5: wanted something different and you just didn't offer anything.

1022
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Speaker 7: I think, let me just say this, I hear your point,

1023
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 7: and I also think that there are moments where your

1024
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 7: loyalty to somebody supersedes what you think will help you

1025
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Speaker 7: stand out. And I can say firsthand, I know I'm

1026
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 7: a person like that, where I will be blindly loyal

1027
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Speaker 7: to the people I love and.

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Speaker 4: It will cause me harm. It has you know, So

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Speaker 4: I get why she did that.

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Speaker 7: I do think it was a moment that she probably regrets,

1031
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 7: but I understand why she did it. She wouldn't be

1032
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Speaker 7: there if it wasn't for him, right, like he picked

1033
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Speaker 7: her as his VP. We all believe she deserved it,

1034
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Speaker 7: but he did pick her. There were other options. And

1035
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Speaker 7: then when she when he stepped down, it was Joe

1036
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Speaker 7: Biden that made sure that Kamala Harris, because she was

1037
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Speaker 7: a part of the ticket, was the nominee.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that's major. It's hard to turn

1039
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Speaker 4: your back on somebody that does something like that. I

1040
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: get that.

1041
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: Well.

1042
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Speaker 5: I think what I hope everybody learns moving forward is

1043
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: America wants something different. When you look at the low

1044
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 5: approval ratings of Trump, when you look at the low

1045
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 5: approval rating of the Republicans, you look at the low

1046
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 5: approf ratings of Democrats, America is ready for somebody.

1047
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Speaker 7: America gets some different right now. I wonder how much

1048
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Speaker 7: they difference. Yeah, but back in eighteen, what year you

1049
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 7: think we in?

1050
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Speaker 4: Right now?

1051
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Speaker 5: We in twenty twenty five. Nah, I'm just saying it's good.

1052
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Speaker 5: All of this needs to be destroyed. So what what

1053
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 5: can what can really be?

1054
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Speaker 1: Can be?

1055
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Speaker 7: Do you think it's going to be on the receiving

1056
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 7: end of the destruction though? I think that's the part people,

1057
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Speaker 7: But it's and it's going to be mostly people who

1058
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Speaker 7: look like us, Like that's the part that I think

1059
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 7: that we have to grapple with. It is so easy

1060
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Speaker 7: to say and very privileged to say, we need to

1061
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Speaker 7: destroy this whole thing, tear it all down. So now

1062
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Speaker 7: they're defunding the Department of Education, or at least have

1063
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Speaker 7: the clearance to do that. That's going to hurt our kids.

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Speaker 5: To say that it's true, and I don't disagree. I

1065
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 5: think it's just going to hurt poor people.

1066
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Speaker 7: But if we're disproportionately poor, we're disproportionately not paid what

1067
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Speaker 7: we what we deserve, what we should earn. Our businesses

1068
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Speaker 7: disproportionately suffer. Our accesses to contract well, access to contracts

1069
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Speaker 7: at this local, state and federal level is disproportionately low.

1070
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Speaker 7: It is going to be us on the receiving end

1071
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Speaker 7: of these things.

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Speaker 5: But I think this is the time where we need

1073
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Speaker 5: to look at what Martin Luther King Jr. Was attempting

1074
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Speaker 5: to do before he was taken out. Probably what he

1075
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Speaker 5: was taken out for, Operation bringing Together pouring disenfranisized people

1076
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Speaker 5: of all colors, because we need that whole coalition right

1077
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Speaker 5: now to topple what's currently in our federal government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think black people cannot do it. A little.

1079
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Speaker 7: I agree with that we don't have the numbers, but

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Speaker 7: I would say this, I am focused on black folks

1081
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Speaker 7: right now because I believe that we have to get

1082
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Speaker 7: our house in order first and then we can coalition build.

1083
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Speaker 7: I think normally what we've done historically is we go

1084
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Speaker 7: out to the larger coalition before we're tight. I want

1085
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 7: to make sure that we're tight. Are we all aligned,

1086
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Speaker 7: are we all good? Are we moving forward meeting our

1087
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Speaker 7: basic needs, advocating for what's in our best interest?

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Speaker 4: And then we grow out.

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Speaker 7: That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be humane in your approach,

1090
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Speaker 7: like you can still fight for other people's issues, but

1091
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 7: make sure your coalition is tight.

1092
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Speaker 5: This is what we always argue because it ain't gonna

1093
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Speaker 5: happen everybody. Don't get on the same page everybody.

1094
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Speaker 7: I don't think that everybody has to, but I need

1095
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Speaker 7: a larger group of us two.

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Speaker 5: That's why I know it just took animals on the

1097
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Speaker 5: art because he knew that them niggas wasn't coming.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this so much. Let me.

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Speaker 4: Res giraffes all right, Angela RAI tell him where to

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Speaker 4: follow you.

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Speaker 7: At Angela Ryan Instagram that Leonard said we are now boycotting.

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Speaker 4: I'm not and uh yeah.

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Speaker 7: At Native Lampid podcast Every Thursday its Angela Rai.

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Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club Morning, Breakfast Club.