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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

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Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying

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Speaker 1: to get to for almost thirty years. From the stadiums

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Speaker 1: where athlete to break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy for rookies to be doing. Our discussions

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Speaker 1: will uncover the vital connections between these realms and the

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Speaker 1: community we create. In each episode, we'll sit down with athletes,

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Speaker 1: political analysts, and culture critics because at the core of

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Speaker 1: it all, how we see one issue shines the light

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Speaker 1: on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Carrie Champion. Hey everybody, welcome to a new edition of

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports. I truly appreciate you all for being here.

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Speaker 1: I always say that today is a solo pod, but

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Speaker 1: it is an interesting pod because I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of sound bites. I'm catching you all up on what's

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Speaker 1: been going on over the last week. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: do a synopsis. Let's just say this is called free

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Speaker 1: speech because it's not free. A couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 1: we had got on this conversation when I was on

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Speaker 1: CNN about is free speech under attack? And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: even a couple of weeks ago, if I'm honest. It

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Speaker 1: was back in June, and I remember being on the

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Speaker 1: panel with the editor of The Daily Beast and she said, no,

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I feel like you know, free speech isn't

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Speaker 1: under attack. This was after there was a few commencement

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Speaker 1: was a journalist on CBS, addressed the crowd and he said, listen,

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Speaker 1: in short, free speech is under attack. I can't talk

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Speaker 1: about anybody in this current administration for fear of being

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Speaker 1: explain a couple of things before I get into the particulars. Okay,

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Speaker 1: free speech. First Amendment right. It allows you to say

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Speaker 1: whatever you want about whomever you want. That is a tenant.

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Speaker 1: That's just the basics of that First Amendment right. We

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Speaker 1: have lived in this country as long as I've been alive,

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Speaker 1: as long as you've been alive, as long as we

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Speaker 1: can remember. I'll just say for the last century, people

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Speaker 1: have been allowed to say whatever their hearts desire. Now

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Speaker 1: there are always always repercussions. They really are. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that you might not get canceled. Right free speech.

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Speaker 1: If I have something to say about someone who's extremely popular,

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Speaker 1: free speech means I can say it, but I could

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Speaker 1: get canceled for what I am saying. And that's just

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Speaker 1: the way it has been. And as of late people

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Speaker 1: are talking about free speech, and let's just make it

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Speaker 1: really clear, it has never really been free, meaning there

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Speaker 1: are always going to be things you have to deal

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Speaker 1: with when things words come out of your mouth. I e.

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Speaker 1: Caerry what this podcast today? I am speaking my mind

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Speaker 1: and there will be people who judge me and not

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Speaker 1: There are They are just things that happen when you

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Speaker 1: speak your mind and have an opinion. And so there

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Speaker 1: are two different thoughts here as a journalist, as someone

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Speaker 1: who has a podcast, as someone who gives opinions. One

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Speaker 1: person can say, Carrie, you should just put your head down.

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Speaker 1: You should not be bothered with this, do not talk

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Speaker 1: about it until all of this blows over. There's another

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Speaker 1: trend of thought that is quite simply Actually, no, this

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Speaker 1: is what I do for a living. I wish I

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Speaker 1: could my my business. I wish I didn't have something

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Speaker 1: I'm not speaking as someone who is trying to save

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Speaker 1: different outlets to give an opinion, to report the facts,

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Speaker 1: It's not worth it, America's not worth it. You should

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Speaker 1: just sit this one out. There's nothing wrong with that

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Speaker 1: is completely fine if you decide you're sitting this one out.

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Speaker 1: Do not put your fears on me. I don't want

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Speaker 1: any sort of consequence, we are going to be in trouble.

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Speaker 1: We are already heading to a place in which we

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Speaker 1: live under this authoritarian called President Trump, and how he

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Speaker 1: has decided that it is against the law, in his mind,

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Speaker 1: know if you guys heard about this, but if you

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Speaker 1: cover the Pentagon, if you are a journalist, someone who

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Speaker 1: my assignment is the Pentagon, they have decided. They have

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Speaker 1: they must sign a pledge saying that they will not

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Speaker 1: talk bad about this current administration. Why would I sign

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Speaker 1: Talking bad about what is going on with our current

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Speaker 1: society isn't subjective. It is what is happening. It is

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Speaker 1: why I say free speech has never been free. Now,

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Speaker 1: the price you pay is far different from what our

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Speaker 1: When black people were bought over here and they were

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Speaker 1: quote unquote their owner or whatever seemed disrespectful, people would

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Speaker 1: and it's not necessar early a game, but I want

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Speaker 1: free speech, to me, should always be available to everyone,

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Speaker 1: Revi's history. The assassination of Charlie Kirk was discussing, and

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Speaker 1: I repeat that, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the right

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Speaker 1: get people to see the Lord. Perhaps that is true,

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Speaker 1: but these are one of these instances where many things

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Speaker 3: But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us.

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Speaker 3: They're coming out and they're saying, I'm only here because

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the affirmative action debate

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Speaker 1: getting into that. I already know how I feel about that,

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Speaker 1: and if anybody is really truly paying attention, it's insulting,

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Speaker 3: Here's what's upsetting to me, Heather, is if I'm dealing

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Speaker 3: I wonder is she there because of her excellence or

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Speaker 3: This is not a way to design society for me.

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Speaker 1: It's insulting and it's hateful, but it is still free speech.

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Speaker 1: And today we're watching in real time how people are

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Speaker 1: because she was commenting on Charlie Kirk. She was doing

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Speaker 1: their job, but I do know that when we talk

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Speaker 1: Listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 1: If you have tips about Jasmine Crockett and her staff,

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Speaker 1: midst of chaos, hatred, polarizing rhetoric, hateful speech. I don't

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Speaker 1: see this changing. In fact, I see it getting more extreme.

431
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Speaker 1: And the idea is to make us scared. It's to

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Speaker 1: make us be afraid. It's to make us not talk.

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00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: We're supposed to look the other way and hope that

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Speaker 1: it all goes away. And as a black woman on

435
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Speaker 1: television speaking about these things with the forward facing platform,

436
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Speaker 1: I understand the stakes are higher for me. And what

437
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Speaker 1: I mean by that is is this speaking truth? Just

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Speaker 1: speaking truth and saying repeating what other people have already said,

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Speaker 1: literally out of their own words. It means that someone's

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Speaker 1: going to say, oh, there she goes again, being difficult, problematic. Uh,

441
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Speaker 1: they're complaining what I've been sitting here minding my business.

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00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett was asked to go on CNN. They asked

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Speaker 1: for her opinion, asked for her opinion. She gave her

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Speaker 1: opinion because free speech should be free. And now she's

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Speaker 1: being called ghetto. What make it make sense? She is

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Speaker 1: an educated woman who has a perfect resume, who deserves

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Speaker 1: to be here. She's fighting for the people, But now

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Speaker 1: she's ghetto because she doesn't look like you and or

449
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: talk like you. What does this mean? What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: It's unfair and it's unfortunate, and I have tried to

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Speaker 1: not say anything. I've tried to walk the line. I've

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Speaker 1: tried to put my head down and be quiet because

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Speaker 1: I know the stakes are higher for me talking about this.

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Speaker 1: But it just isn't fair. It just isn't fair. And

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Speaker 1: with that being said, because it's been a lot in

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Speaker 1: the news today, I'll end here. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: we are in terms of how to describe what's going

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Speaker 1: on in this country. I don't know how to describe

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Speaker 1: the feeling that I get when I am walking in

460
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Speaker 1: the airport and I feel someone giving me a dirty stare.

461
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Speaker 1: Maybe they saw me on CNN. Maybe they didn't like

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Speaker 1: what I said. I don't like the feeling of looking

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Speaker 1: at someone who is not black or brown and thinking

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Speaker 1: twice about should I walk up next to them? What's

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Speaker 1: going to happen? Are they going to be hateful? They

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Speaker 1: say something to me like these things are on my

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Speaker 1: mind right now, And that is the whole plan to

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Speaker 1: get us to turn on one another. And I just

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Speaker 1: want common sense to prevail the same way that black

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Speaker 1: people are not a monolith, I know that white people

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Speaker 1: are not a monolith. I'm not here saying all white

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Speaker 1: people are bad. Be careful what I can say is

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Speaker 1: that we have to say the uncomfortable thing we just do.

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Speaker 1: I know you all have heard the pastor, who to me,

475
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Speaker 1: gave an eloquent speech. He described, at least from my perspective,

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Speaker 1: what we were dealing with and how we should talk

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Speaker 1: about Charlie Kirk, and he said the truth. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: Take a listen, Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: Did not deserve to be assassinated.

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Speaker 1: But I'm overwhelmed.

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Speaker 2: Seeing the flags of the United States of America at

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Speaker 2: half staff calling this nation to honor and venerate a

483
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Speaker 2: man who was an unapologetic racist, has spent all of

484
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Speaker 2: his life sewing seeds of division and hate into this land.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna round out this podcast by talking about

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Speaker 1: Kamala Hair speaking about somebody who had to deal with

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Speaker 1: an uncomfortable truth. Her book is out and she is

488
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Speaker 1: really making a lot of people uncomfortable with her truth.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how we'll feel about

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Speaker 1: the book and or this period of time in our

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Speaker 1: lives ten twenty years from now. Time always tells our story.

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Speaker 1: It gives you perspective, It helps you see things differently.

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Speaker 1: I know that I mentioned Martin Luther King junior. It

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Speaker 1: was controversial to like Martin Luther King Junior. My grandmother

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Speaker 1: would tell me those stories. Back in the day. He

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Speaker 1: was considered a problem. People thought he was rolling up

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Speaker 1: the good blacks. He was stirring up trouble with the

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Speaker 1: good blacks and making them feel like they should be

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Speaker 1: fighting for more a lot. It was controversial to support.

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Speaker 1: That's not a lie. It was controversial to support Martin

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Speaker 1: Luther King Junior. Time will always tell the story. It

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Speaker 1: just will, and so what we're dealing with today will

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Speaker 1: look a whole lot differently. Forty years from now, I

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Speaker 1: can't tell you because I won't be around. Heaven forbid.

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Speaker 1: Forty years from now. Man, maybe shit, my family lives forever.

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Speaker 1: You never know. I might. I'll tell you forty years

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Speaker 1: from now. Tune in. Side note Kamala Harris's book One

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Speaker 1: hundred and seven Days. It's a political memoir by Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: the forty ninth Vice President of the United States, and

510
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Speaker 1: she basically details what happened during her twenty twenty four

511
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Speaker 1: presidential campaign after Joe Biden's withdrawal from the election, and

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Speaker 1: that title obviously represent the length that represents the length

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Speaker 1: of her campaign one hundred and seven days. You guys,

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Speaker 1: go out and get this book. The contents have made

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Speaker 1: people really uncomfortable, and people are blaming her for speaking

516
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Speaker 1: her truth, and some people are applauding her for speaking

517
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Speaker 1: her truth. Take a listen to former Vice President on

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Speaker 1: the view.

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Speaker 4: The book is about a reflection, and that day and

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Speaker 4: that interview, for me, really was symbolic of the issue.

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Speaker 4: It did not create the issue, but it was symbolic

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Speaker 4: of the issue, which is that I'm a loyal person

523
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Speaker 4: and I didn't fully appreciate how much people wanted to

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Speaker 4: know there was a difference between me and President Biden.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say this the first time, or the

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Speaker 1: first few times that I heard what Kamala Harris was

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Speaker 1: saying in her book or writing in her book, because

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Speaker 1: I haven't read the book, but the first few times,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. When she shared how people

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Speaker 1: really felt about her running for the president of the

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Speaker 1: United States, how she really didn't have the support that

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Speaker 1: she thought she was supposed to have. She also talked

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Speaker 1: about how Joe Biden's team, perhaps Joe as well, felt

534
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Speaker 1: like her shining would take away from him and so

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Speaker 1: instead of thinking they could work together. I'm paraphrasing. They

536
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: pretty much siloed or iced her out, and she wasn't,

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Speaker 1: as as we saw, really a part of that administration.

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Speaker 1: She really wasn't vocal. She really was always it seemed

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00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: to me, hidden, And then when she was asked to

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00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: talk about to talk about Joe, it felt not authentic,

541
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Speaker 1: at least to me, That's what I felt. And so

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00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: now she's telling all of these not necessarily dirty little secrets,

543
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: but she's telling us the truth, her truth, and I

544
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: kind of figure why. I'm like, why, why now I'm

545
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna be honest? Why now does it help or harm

546
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: the party? Does it put you in a different light?

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Speaker 1: Why do we need to know that right now? She's

548
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: already she's already said she's not, at least in the

549
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Speaker 1: near future, running for president. She talked about how betrayed

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Speaker 1: she felt, right understandably, so I understand that pain. She

551
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: said she hadn't mourned the day after the election. She

552
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: hadn't mourned like that since her mother passed away. It

553
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: was a different type of mourning for her. All of

554
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: that I understand, because I'm mourned too, But I don't

555
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: understand why Kamala, Why now? And I'm not speaking against

556
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Speaker 1: you at all. I'm not speaking against Kamala Harris at all.

557
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. Why now? What is the point

558
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: question has been asked. I don't necessarily know if I've

559
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: heard an answer that makes me understand, and I'm not

560
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Speaker 1: sure that I will ever really truly understand. And I

561
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: could have a different take on this six months from now,

562
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: ten years from now, give it time, as everyone says,

563
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Speaker 1: and I'm definitely going to read the book because I

564
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Speaker 1: want to know the dirty details. But no one said

565
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: politics was easy. Politics is a dirty, dirty gang. Everyone

566
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: knows that. But I'll tell you what, I don't see

567
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: the point of it. Why now, Kamala, What does this

568
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: accomplish outside of you feeling better cathartic? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You want the world to know that politics is ugly,

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Speaker 1: and that there was infighting within the party, and that

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00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: people tried to undermine you, and that it was really

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Speaker 1: hard because as a black woman, you probably were not

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Speaker 1: taking as seriously because you were so good and they

574
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Speaker 1: felt like you were a threat. I know that story.

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00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I do, all of us do, and I know I

576
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: may sound like I don't have any compassion for it,

577
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know why. Now. That's the thing with

578
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. It's like it's wild right now. We

579
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: should be looking forward to superstar right now. We should

580
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: be and there's not one superstar. We should be having

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Speaker 1: several superstars. We should be aligning and be unlockstep. That's

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Speaker 1: what your book is essentially saying. They weren't. They didn't

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Speaker 1: have your back, and they should We should be we

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Speaker 1: being that Democratic Party. I'm not a Democrat, but they

585
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: should be. Let me clear that up. They should be

586
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: looking for someone to take over or someone several ones,

587
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: several bodies of people to take over and help and unify,

588
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: and it should be a united party. Her book to me,

589
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: and I haven't read it, so again, I'm gonna keep

590
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: saying it. Her book to me. I don't know if

591
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: it's helping or harming the Democratic Party. I'll come back

592
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: with my opinions after I finish it. I ask you all,

593
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: anyone who's read it, tell me. And I'm not being mean,

594
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm not being rude. I'm just giving you my opinion.

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00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: You know what, I gotta say the quiet parts out loud.

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00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't help us, It doesn't when we pretend and

597
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: look the other way. Free speech ain free, but somebody

598
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: got to do it. Clearly, this episode was all about politics.

599
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: This is when we intersect. But today there's so much

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Speaker 1: going on in the world, and I fear for people

601
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: who do what I do for a living. I fear

602
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: that most of us will ultimately have to go to

603
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: private platforms to continue to be journalists. At least during

604
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: this season in America, most of us will have to

605
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: be independent contractors in order for us to speak truth

606
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: to power. Most of us will stay in certain positions

607
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Speaker 1: and walk a fine line, and that fine line during

608
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: these dangerous times will define us, not for the better.

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00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: In short, I'm saying, yes, I know. If you have

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Speaker 1: a job and you were nine to five and you

611
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: had a huge platform, and they want you to walk

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Speaker 1: the middle, and you happen to to be a black

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Speaker 1: person or a brown person, no regardless of gender, the

614
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: stakes are just higher for you, They really are. And

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be difficult, and you're gonna have to make

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Speaker 1: a choice. The choice could be I'm just I'm gonna

617
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Speaker 1: walk the middle. I'm gonna straight down, straight arrow, I'm

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00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: gonna ignore this, I'm gonna put my head down, or

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Speaker 1: I'm going all in and see what happens. These are

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Speaker 1: all personal decisions. I am not judging any one of

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Speaker 1: your choices. But what I am saying is that we

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00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: are living in times that are so dangerous that we

623
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: cannot ignore what is happening. And if we do decide

624
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: to ignore what is happening, and we look up and

625
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: find ourselves in an untenable position, meaning we can't get

626
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: back to where we were, it's gonna be all of

627
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: our faults. Your activism doesn't have to look like my activism.

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00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: I say that all the time. You don't have to

629
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: use your platform the way I use my platform. But

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00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: you can't keep ignoring what's happening. You just have to

631
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: be aware, whether you talk about it in your mind

632
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: and the quiet recesses of your mind with your family members,

633
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: where it can stay in your house, you just have

634
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: to do it. You can't pretend what's happening is not happening.

635
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: Can't watch movies and be like I'm going to bed.

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00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: I'll wake up in the morning and see if it's better.

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00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: Dangerous times, dangerous times. This is not exaggeration. Dangerous times

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00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: hasn't even been a full year since he's been president,

639
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: dangerous times. Free speech has never been free. Free speech

640
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: has never been free. Political violence is nothing new to

641
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: this country. It's happened all the time. We've seen it globally.

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Speaker 1: Political violence is a thing. The fact that it's at

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Speaker 1: our front door, so be it. But we can't pick

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Speaker 1: and choose who the heroes are when it's political violence

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Speaker 1: to your liking. You can't do it. Can't act like

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Speaker 1: it's never happened. It's happened. It continues to happen. And

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Speaker 1: it's disgustingly sad. It is horrific. It always has been,

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Speaker 1: it's never not been. But we have to be able

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Speaker 1: to separate the two. Meaning, listen, I have to talk

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Speaker 1: about what this was. It's sad that this was the

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Speaker 1: end result, but this is what it was. We can't

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Speaker 1: revise history, even though they want us to do that.

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Speaker 1: We cannot. I am I don't know. I am feeling away,

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Speaker 1: and I don't always feel away. But my hope is

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Speaker 1: that whomever may be listening to this may be feeling

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Speaker 1: a little more emboldened and whatever that looks like for you.

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Speaker 1: But please know that these are not normal times. None

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Speaker 1: of this is normal. Thank y'all for listening. Be back

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Speaker 1: next week. Naked Sports written and executive produced by me

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Speaker 1: Carrie Champion, produced by Jacquise Thomas, sound designed and mastered

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Speaker 1: by Dwayne Crawford. Naked Sports is a part of the

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