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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start

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Speaker 1: changing it with the bec del Cast du Dantana. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bedel Cat. Should you cheese to accept this

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Speaker 1: mission for kids? My name is Jamie Lawton and my

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Darante, and this is our feminist podcast

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Speaker 1: about movies, about spies and about kids. We're pivotingly just

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Speaker 1: those things. It's Caitlyn the podcast Bubble his Burst. You

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Speaker 1: have to be more niche than ever. It's too broad.

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Speaker 1: We can only talk about spies who are also kids

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Speaker 1: and the media therein directed at them, So that means

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Speaker 1: we can talk about agent Cody Banks too and one Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean I like t o as well. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess that that is. Is there any other kids who

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Speaker 1: are is possible as girl kids? Who is spies? Well? Harry, Harry,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's actually quite a lot of media

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Speaker 1: in this sub sub sub genre. We should have done

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Speaker 1: Spy September. There's so many spy movies for kids. I

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Speaker 1: like that. Also. Nancy Drew is kind of a spy. Absolutely, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she I love I loved Nancy Drew's in Barbed Nancy Drew.

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Speaker 1: Now there's a new Nancy Drew and now it's Barbed

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Speaker 1: from Stranger Things? Am I making this up? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: didn't think it was bar but there didn't. There was

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Speaker 1: two thousand seven. When they came out in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: there was okay, I'm not got like brushed under the rug.

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Speaker 1: I know, unbelievable anyway, So we talk about the representation

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Speaker 1: of yes, yes, yes, and we use something called the

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Speaker 1: spy test to determine whether or not the kids in

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Speaker 1: the movie are watching our spies test. It's this is

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Speaker 1: our wildest episode yet. Hopefully this isn't your first episode. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the betrayal women in movies, especially when

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Speaker 1: there's both spies and children, and then we use the

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Speaker 1: Becktel test as a jumping off point, and that, of course,

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Speaker 1: is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Becktel. Also

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Speaker 1: it's known as the Becktel Wallace test, and it requires

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Speaker 1: that two female identifying characters or two spies in a

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Speaker 1: movie as any general talked to talk to each other

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Speaker 1: about something other than a man or a spy man, right,

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Speaker 1: a man who's spying. Alison Bechdel, you know, is she

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Speaker 1: is spy? Not that we know of, or maybe she's

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Speaker 1: just that I hadn't considered what if we found out?

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Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel was both a great cartoonist and icon and

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Speaker 1: in the CIA that mean, did you want to cover

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Speaker 1: she's got? I used to want my parents to be

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Speaker 1: spies so bad because of this movie. Yeah, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I got so into spy culture after this. I'm so excited. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so well, let's get into and we have a guest,

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Speaker 1: as we always do. She is a dear friend of ours.

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Speaker 1: She is a photographer. She's a producer of many comedy

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Speaker 1: shows around Los Angeles. She's helped out at various of

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Speaker 1: our live shows, including the show we did at San

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Speaker 1: Francisco Sketch Fest and the New York Comedy Festival. People

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Speaker 1: often confused her for our super producer Sophie, when it

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Speaker 1: is actually Catherine Leon. I loved getting mistaken for Sophie.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't honor, it wasn't welcome. This episode has truly

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Speaker 1: been I think years in the making. I think before

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Speaker 1: that you love SPI's the only thing I needed you

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Speaker 1: to know. That's a good spy. Wow, it's really throwing

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Speaker 1: spinoff called Machete starring Danny Trejo. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: Cheech and Chong were definitely judges in this. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Carmen and Juny I think, really an iconic siblings. That

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is the most accurate representation of

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Speaker 1: and Alan Cumming, Antony, my mom's Terry Hatcher. It's a

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Speaker 1: Robot doppelgang or spy kid children, but then Flop has

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00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: reprogrammed them all to be philanthropic or something. He's switches

425
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: their brain to think that what's right is wrong, what's wrong,

426
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: he's right apparently. So then they go after like Minion

427
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: and Terry Hatcher and the evil Terminator from Terminator to

428
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: and then they're like, where is spy family now? And

429
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: then they live happily ever after, there's that great Alexa

430
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: Vega who Miles went to high school with. I just

431
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: found out to high school with. Goddamn everyone. It's and there,

432
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: but Alexa beg it gives that powerful speech to camera

433
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: to close that the movie where she's like, there's listen,

434
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: there's spies and there's kids. There's sometimes spies should be

435
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: a part of a spy family if your family is

436
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: the most important spy kit of all and turns the

437
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: TV right. And so that's the story. Let's take a

438
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: quick break and then we will come right back to discuss.

439
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: And we're back. It's time to get into deep cannon.

440
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean this is requires analysis. Yes, yes it does.

441
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: For me, having never seen this movie, having not grown

442
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: up with it seeing it through the adult eyes that

443
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: I saw it through. You know, an objective observer will

444
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: say to me, it seemed like the female characters and

445
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: the male characters are presented as being generally eat really

446
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: competent and smart and good at their jobs. And I

447
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: think it's mostly because Carmen is older, but she is

448
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: presentative as being far more competent than her little brother JUNI.

449
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: So we see this a lot. This is like a

450
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: thing and we talked about a little bit in Jurassic Park.

451
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: This is something we've seen in a lot of movies

452
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: where it's like an older sister younger brother, and the

453
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: older sister is presentatives being more competent, which I guess

454
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: makes sense for their age, but it's also good for

455
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: us because we too often see women who are not competent. Yes,

456
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: I I mean, I love I still stand Carmen to

457
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: this day, like there's there and and like like something

458
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: that I mean, it is like a more realistic sibling

459
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: portrayal than you see in most kids movies, especially in

460
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: a movie there's otherwise fucking crazy. Um Like I I

461
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: really liked the sibling relationship and also that you see

462
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: Carmen be moody and like kind of means sometimes, but

463
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: it's not like the movie is never like and you

464
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: should be like, it's she's being a kid. She's being

465
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: a really smart kid. And I really like capable kid

466
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: and a really spy kids and really spying, and she's

467
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: spying the whole time, and and like even when she's

468
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: mean to her brother, like it's she cares about him

469
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: and she protects him and he helps her, and I

470
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I really like they didn't do anything.

471
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think to make her the girl spy, like

472
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: she was just one of the spies, which I love,

473
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: big sister energy love it. Yeah, that was great. I

474
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: also enjoyed that you get to see a little boy

475
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: expressing fear, being afraid, kind of being sort of the

476
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: more sensitive one, and then the little girl being brave

477
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: and like kind of taking initiative, because you usually don't

478
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: see either of those things, or the roles will be

479
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: reversed where it's like the boy gets to be brave,

480
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: the girl is scared. So it's nice that you see

481
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: that little flip and juny child warts I was thinking

482
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: a little cousin the whole time. I was like child warts,

483
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: visibility man and his little neon band, So it's my

484
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: little cousin. Uh. And then I liked that they both had.

485
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: For Juny, it's his his warts, and then for Carmen

486
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: it becomes a critical plat point that she wears a

487
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: diaper at night and like has bed wedding issues, which

488
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: is just like something you never see in a movie

489
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: from a kid who's also really cool and you're supposed

490
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: to like them. So I was like, you know, like

491
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: power to the child bed wetters, there's such but there is.

492
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like there is such a stigma,

493
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: especially when you're a kid of like, you know, this

494
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: kid still what's the bed? And like the hero of

495
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: our movie still what's the bed? And yeah, her brother

496
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: makes fun of root for it. But then they also

497
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: land a submarine into Exa like moments later, so I'm like, well,

498
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: I guess the bed wedding is kind of a wash.

499
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. That was a cool and that was

500
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: also I thought that that was going to be a

501
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: one off joke because it's said between the parents one

502
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: of the many times they're trapped, and I like, I

503
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: don't know if this was but I assumed it was

504
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: Juny because he was younger and had warts or something.

505
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but then you find out later

506
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: that it's Karmen and it's actually an important plot point

507
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: because it makes them crash the submarine because she's like

508
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: she's mad, AT's at him. Yeah, I don't know, like

509
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: those like little details that like would I remember that

510
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: from being a kid, because you're like, oh, bed wedders

511
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: is not being made fun of, like sick I make

512
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm making it sound and now I'm like in a

513
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: double dick, like I didn't actually wet the bed, Okay, Jamie,

514
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: sounds like you did. Actually it wasn't wedding the bed

515
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: in two thousand one. I didn't did only two when

516
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I skipped over that year. But back in business pp

517
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: every night. Did you ever wet the bed as a teenager? No,

518
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: I did, Guys, I've peed in my pants like at

519
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: the door as an adult totally. Like I got so

520
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: used to not when I would drive an hour each

521
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: way to go to work, Like I just would get

522
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: into habit of not peeing before I drove. So when

523
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm at the door, I'm like, I'm going to pee

524
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: if I don't open this door. And I've done it

525
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: countless times. I can't even I don't even know anymore.

526
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Remember my first breakup in high school, I was being

527
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: so dramatic that I just wet the bed one day.

528
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not leaving my bed. I'm I'm too depressed.

529
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I just pissed myself, and I was like, that was

530
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: a bad idea. This has been a nice sharing time anyway.

531
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think this movie, which is clearly directed

532
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: towards like children and like families, uh, does a lot

533
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: of good things in terms of representation that so many

534
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: kids movies, many of which we've discussed on the podcast,

535
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: do not do, and in fact, a lot of them

536
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: have done more harm than good. But yeah, this one,

537
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: as we said, normalizes bad wedding and warts. It shows

538
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: girls and women being just as competent and smart as

539
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: the boys and men. It shows Katherine, you touched on this.

540
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: But so we're trying to figure out where this takes

541
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: place and what exactly ethnicity this family might be because

542
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: it's not specified, but we think it might be Mexico

543
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: that it takes place, because I was saying that growing up,

544
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: I just assumed it was California. I don't know it's

545
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: because I'm from here, and I was like, oh, that

546
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: could be in San Diego or like a coastal part

547
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: like up north. Like it just never occurred to me

548
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: to think of where they were. But we were talking,

549
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: we were trying to figure out, like, oh, you brought

550
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: it up, or you're like, do you think they're in

551
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: a different country? And I was like, I never thought

552
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: about that, And then rewatching it, we found so many

553
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: context clues that it was like, Oh, they're definitely in

554
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: a different country. Like how in the beginning, Spy Mom

555
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: and Spy Dad say how they were from two different

556
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: countries and now they're in one. So we're going to

557
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: assume that maybe Spy Mom is from the United States

558
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: because she's got an American act because she's I think

559
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: either ambiguous or like she's supposed to be American. And

560
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: then like throughout the movie, all the text that we

561
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: see is in Spanish, and like and we've seen various

562
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: characters speaking speaking of Spanish, which and like the school,

563
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: there's like that scene in the school where you're like, well,

564
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: none of the kids are speaking Spanish, and like, I

565
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: can't really tell it could be like an easily in

566
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: American school. But there's a scene where he almost hits

567
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: he like breaks the car really hard on the lady

568
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: holding the stop signs yells in Spanish. But like I

569
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: think it was mostly the text on like the wart

570
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: remover bottle, the text was in Spanish. One of the billboards,

571
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: it was all in Spanish. All the stores were like

572
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: they go into that clothing store and it says like

573
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: neinos and babies, like it's all the Texas in Spanish.

574
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: And then when they're at the park as well, there's

575
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: everyone in the background is speaking in Spanish, so it's

576
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: a Spanish speaking country. We can assume we there's no

577
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: necessarily clear identifiers specifically what country it is. There was

578
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: also that clue when the wedding scene, you're saying, how

579
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: on the cake they have like the diodelus more at

580
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: those like skeletons, and I'm I might be wrong, but

581
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's like clearly Mexican of Mexican culture. Yeah,

582
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: I think so for that specific imagery, and Robert Rodriguez

583
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: is Mexican, so like you can kind of assume that.

584
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: And a lot of these movies take place in Mexican

585
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where this movie was shot, and

586
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't have much Do you say Santa Don't they

587
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: say Santa Cecilia or something, And that's a place in

588
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: Mexico we looked up, but like Antonia still and then

589
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: but I think that iurposefully trying to be vague, and

590
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: it's like, this is a Hispanic culture that we're like

591
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: trying to show and we're intentionally trying to be because

592
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: anton Brass is from Spain. But then like Danny Trejo

593
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and Cheech Marin, who they're all Hispanic, the two of

594
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: them are in Mexican, so at least, at the very least,

595
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: it's an ethnically ambiguous family, a mixed family. We're not

596
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: sure exactly where Antonio Bander is supposed to be from

597
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: or what ethnic group he belongs to, but it's some

598
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: like Latin X or Hispanic. We can safely say that

599
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: it's like Hispanic. Yeah, and a huge movie like taking

600
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: place outside of America, um in a non English speaking

601
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: country is like a big deal. Yeah, for sure, Katherine,

602
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: you were saying that to be able to like see

603
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: yourself representati or feel as though you're represented, that's like

604
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: a huge thing because so many kids maybes you're just

605
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: like white kids, white kids, white kids, and like, as

606
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: a kid, you don't realize that that's what what's happening

607
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: until you grow up, and so to be able to

608
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, Spike Kids, I saw myself and Spike

609
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Kids like that's how I was with all those Disney movies.

610
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: It's like I could only be Pocahonest because she had

611
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: brown hair. I can only be Mulan because she had

612
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: black hair. So it's like, but you don't think about

613
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: that context as a child, You're just like, well, she

614
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: kind of looks like me. I guess that's who. That's

615
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: the princess that I have to pretend to be or whatever,

616
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: which is cool. Yeah, another point for Spike Kids love it.

617
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: I guess this kind of ties into Carmen. But um,

618
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about this last night as well. Of

619
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: the way I really liked how the fighting works in

620
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: this movie, because this is like there's there's a lot

621
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: of action elements to this movie, some that got more

622
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: violent than I remembered. Terry how Watcher's head gets basically

623
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: burned off, but then later that her wig is just

624
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: kind of damnit, she's well, she becomes like the baldest

625
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: woman in charge because she's like mostly bald, but and

626
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: then she's got some like long straggly hairs, and she

627
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have more power once she is Balder's true.

628
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: But but one of the cool things is, like I

629
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: think we see very often in action movies, especially action

630
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: movies of this era, that women are only all had

631
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: to fight women and men are really all had to

632
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: fight man. And that is not a rule that applies

633
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: to this world. We see Ingrid fighting hand to hand

634
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: with guys. I don't remember. Do we see Antonio banderas

635
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: fighting women at any point? I don't, just because I

636
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: don't think so, but just because there aren't any other

637
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: like women spy. I think the only other adult is

638
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: Terry Hatcher woman. Yeah, that's true, I think, right, because

639
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: all of the like food like agents who got turned

640
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: into food leis, those were all yeah, those are all men,

641
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: and so I think it truly is just Grid and

642
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: Terry Hatcher's character. And then but then Carmen also uh

643
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: fights her brother, a multiple robo brother, and there I

644
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know, like it's it is like kind of rare

645
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: to see just there seems to be parody in in

646
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: fighting in this movie too, Like it doesn't seem like

647
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: like you were saying, Katherine, like the I think the

648
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: only reason Antonio benders Uh doesn't end up fighting a

649
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: female spies because there's not enough female spies in the movie.

650
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: But I mean it, it is cool that it's not

651
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: like I feel like it's always like the guys are

652
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: fighting and this is the big part, and then we

653
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: cut too. Also there's some women fighting over here. It

654
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: would have been a very easy choice for when the

655
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: two evil doppelgangers show up for it would have been

656
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: an easy narrative choice for the girl to fight the

657
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: girl and the boy to fight the boy. I think

658
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: here's my best guest. I think that they probably didn't

659
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: do that because it would have been much easier to

660
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: shoot if the girl and the boy fight each other,

661
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: and then the girl and the boy fight each other.

662
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: It just probably would have been too hard to coordinate,

663
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: like parent trap style exactly, fighting like a kid fight

664
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: choreography would have been nearly impossible. But a catharsis like

665
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: you were saying, you always wanted to fight your sibling.

666
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: There's like a whole scene where they're in the Park

667
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: when they first meet the robot doppelgangers, and she's like,

668
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do this, and she like punches

669
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: him in the face, which is not saying that, like,

670
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: obviously that's not great, But there's like a sibling thing

671
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: in you where you're just like, man, sometimes we just

672
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: wanted to as a as a sibling. This movie appeals

673
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: to my worst instincts as an older specifically as an

674
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: older sister with younger brother. That was like the worst pairing.

675
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: But and and then the other thing that I think.

676
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: I think that in a lesser movie, Carmen, I think

677
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be like maybe nine or time. Yeah,

678
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: because Junie, what is our best guest for these ages?

679
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think Carmen's like maybe ten, June's

680
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: like seven. I feel like Carmen maybe like closer to

681
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: junior high almost she might even be like twelve thirteen.

682
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like June is probably in like second grade.

683
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: Alexa yeah is like I would guess older, No, I

684
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: guess like fourth grade, fourth fifth grade. So Alexa Vega

685
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: was twelve when this movie came out, and Darryl Sabara

686
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: ak Mr. Megan Trainer was nine so yeah, that's about Yeah.

687
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: So I think that anyways, in a lesser movie, especially

688
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: if she is aged up to be eleven or twelve, um,

689
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: I feel like they would have like tossed in some

690
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: love interest for her too, because that's about the age

691
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, I mean, if we got a

692
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: female character, we gonna you know, we've got to be

693
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: a boy for her to um. But this movie also

694
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: opts out of that and just gives you five hundred

695
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: more scenes of Tomy Shaloub, which I'm fine with. Better

696
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: used of time. Sure, there's a nice little moment, and Catherine,

697
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: you pointed this out when we were watching it, But

698
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: as as they are taking the initiative, and it's mostly

699
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: I would say, Carmen, who's taking the initiative to train

700
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: themselves to be spies. Yeah, she picks up a spy

701
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: manual by unknown author, very funny. She's reading from it

702
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: and says, a good spy puts himself and then she

703
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: adds into the text herself in the mindset of the opponents.

704
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: So she's reading this patriarchal text that's excluding women all together,

705
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: and she's like, it's not just himself, it's herself too. Yeah,

706
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: she has to like self correct through the whole thing.

707
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: She's also the I mean she I like that. They

708
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: both have moments where they figure out what's going on. Um,

709
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: but I think Carmen does get a few more of

710
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: those moments because she's more motivated, less emotional than Juny

711
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: and just like generally more bad as because she's all

712
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: then he's nine, right, Okay, So I just thought of another.

713
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: So compare this movie to Jumanji, the first one where

714
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Kirsen Dunnes is the older sister and then she's got

715
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: a younger brother and then all of the like emotional

716
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: weight and all that, like the kids figuring things out,

717
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: that's all given to the boy. So but it's like

718
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: Carmen figures out who Danny Trejo is through like context clues,

719
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: and then like Junie is the one that is like,

720
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: you're it's a tracking device, and then Carmen, you're right,

721
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: She's like blank, blank it is and she goes, I

722
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: hate that, and she just throws the tracking in the park.

723
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: I just I just love that. And then she saves

724
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: him several times. She has to save him when the

725
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: drops him and she dropped him, but then saves him

726
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: again that was a really scary shot. I don't know

727
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: how to describe the cinematography in this movie, but it

728
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: is insane. Love it so much. Shoutout to gear Ema Navarro,

729
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: who is a cinematographer in this movie. It's like there

730
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: are times that it's all live action, but it looks

731
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: like a cartoon sometimes, like when she drops Juni like

732
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: to his death, it looks like a cartoon, but it's

733
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: still like really intense and scary and oh it's just

734
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: so cool. Yeah, that's cinematographer. He's worked a lot with

735
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: Giarmlo do Toro and like does some really cool stuff.

736
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Oh he did pants laber got kind of got uh,

737
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: we got to take another quick break, but come right back,

738
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: don't you worry. Also didn't know at the museum and

739
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: we're back. When eclectic, I'm sorry, I'm still thinking of it, cinematographer,

740
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: when an eclectic body of work. Um, here's a couple

741
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: of things that I didn't like as much or that

742
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: I found a little like. Okay, first one, whenever the

743
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: mom is retelling the story of spy mom and spy

744
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: dad meeting and Antonio panderis like they come to face

745
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: to face when they were like about to supposedly kill

746
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: each other. He reaches in to her top and pulls

747
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: out the photo of him to be like, oh, I

748
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: was your target. But it's like, okay, why are you

749
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: reaching into her clothes right near her boobs? Not okay

750
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: to show children anyone. I keep forgetting it just just

751
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we've even said the character's name yet.

752
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: Antonio and Dari's name is supposed to be Gregorio, but

753
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: we've just been calling him Antonia spied daddy, spies Daddy.

754
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: There is a scene also where Ms. Gridenko, that's Terry

755
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: Hatcher's character. She comes into the safe house. She says

756
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: she's with the OSS, and then she and Carmen have

757
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: this sort of like bonding moment where Carmen gives her

758
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: the information she wanted and she's like, oh, you've just

759
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: in the league of like awesome women spies. You know.

760
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: It's like this like women got to stick together moment.

761
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: But then it turns out that she cannot be trusted.

762
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: She's working with the enemy, So this like what otherwise

763
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: could be like a nice like yeah, women do have

764
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: to stick together moment is completely nullified because she is

765
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: an evil, devious woman right, which again it's like and

766
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: there are I think that that issue more speaks to

767
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: the lack of female characters in the movie in general,

768
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: because they really have Carmen, Ingrid and Ms. Gradenko and

769
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: that's basically it. Because there there are a ton of

770
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: male characters and it's just like kids. There's like girls,

771
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: but they don't do anything. And there are like characters

772
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: similar to Ms. Gredenka, who are men, like Alexander Minion

773
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: who turns out to be this double agent. But there's

774
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: enough male characters that it's not your general impression, but

775
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: because you only have three one coming in and being

776
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: like girl power and then being like just kidding bit

777
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: like that doesn't maybe um and something there there are

778
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: a few things with Ingrid that, um, I felt like

779
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: her character like was I don't know, like in general

780
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: there there we we touched on this before, but there's

781
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 1: that moment um when Spy Daddy is wanting to take

782
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: on this this mission right to save my judge or whatever,

783
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: and um he's kind of been working on it behind

784
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: her back and then he's like, oh, I gotta go

785
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: save my judge, and you know, spy Mommy comes in

786
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: and and he's he's pretty dismissive of her, and he's like, no, no, no,

787
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: like you stay. She's like, I want to go with you,

788
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm like raring to go on another adventure. She's

789
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: all about going and becoming a spy again. And he says, no,

790
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: you are mom. You stay at home. And then the

791
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: way she convinces him is she has to like seduce him,

792
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: which and then it works is that You're just like

793
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: that was pretty lazy writing. Yeah, I mean Gregorio, spy

794
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Daddy is not a feminist icon. He just wants he

795
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: thinks women should stay home in the kitchen taking care

796
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: of the kids, and that is not okay spy Daddy.

797
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: But when they are working together, it's equal. But I

798
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: just that that scene, I was just like, man, come

799
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: on right, because like shortly after that, they've been captured

800
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: and they're tied up in like the Flupe house and

801
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: she uses her ring. She uses her ring to like

802
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: laser the ropes off of them, and like so she's

803
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: the one who kind of saves them and like releases them.

804
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: And then they immediately first of all, they go into

805
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: the reality room or whatever or the virtual I don't know,

806
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: some weird like augmented reality place like cloud room, and

807
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: then it is always revealed to be a green screen.

808
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: And then they end up in the Flue House dining

809
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: room where Mr Plup himself is eating this like green

810
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: sludge basically with a spoon very slowly, and he expects

811
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: them to eat it also land on the table onto

812
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: like a pile of gummy word. Yes, very weird. The

813
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: other thing with with Ingrid that this is like more

814
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: of a story thing versus like how she's treated. But

815
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: it is like, I mean, I can see I can

816
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: see this both ways. But you do get a lot

817
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: more information about um spy Daddy's background then you get

818
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: about her. And we find out about Danny Treho and

819
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: where I'm thrilled to find out about the Danny Treho secret, right,

820
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: But we find out like his family background and then

821
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: we also find out about his secret scientist background in

822
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: a room full of all male scientists. Um, and so,

823
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: like his character gets a couple of subplots, and we

824
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: don't really get that for Ingrid, um we get that

825
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: the way she relates to it is she's like, you

826
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: didn't tell me, Like she doesn't really have the upper

827
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: hand in their relationship and he is then made kind

828
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: of more important to the story because he was the

829
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: one who developed the third Brain. He's the one who

830
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: didn't destroy it, so like he's why they are the

831
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: target of Flope and later Minion, just making him more

832
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: integral to the story, whereas she's just essentially tagging along

833
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: because they're married and she's by So yeah, it would

834
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: have been nice like if we do learn more about

835
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: maybe his backstory in terms of like his family history

836
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: and connections and stuff like that, yeah, keep that, but

837
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: then make her the one who was developing the third

838
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: brain and like give her that integral component to the story.

839
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Like it's it is like way imbalanced of what we

840
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: know about him versus what we know about her, which

841
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: is yeah, and it's a yeah, it's it's a bummer,

842
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: but it's like I wouldn't remove any of the spy

843
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: daddy backstory for the world. It's all great, but it's

844
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: it's like there she could have been included more meaningfully

845
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: in that story or or like you said, like if

846
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: she's involved in the Third Brain, then they kind of

847
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: have an equal subplot power and for sure, then then

848
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: we would have had a woman and stand which shit,

849
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, important. You hate to see it. I wonder

850
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: if that imbalance is due to how famous either of

851
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: them were, because Jamie you brought up a good point

852
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: about like what level of fame was Antnio Benderis during

853
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: this movie? Was he like too famous to be doing

854
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: this or I'm just curious about like what level of

855
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: like they maybe put more on into an Binders because

856
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: he was like the recognizable face. But I don't, I

857
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: truly don't know. I can't I feel what anyone's fame

858
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: level was at that point, Like what did Alan coming

859
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: through at that point? What was Tony? Was Tony Shaloub monkey? Yet,

860
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: like there's no way to know, that's an actionable question.

861
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I like, it is so hard to be Like when

862
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: was peque Antonio Benderis? I think it was like late nineties,

863
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: although who can say we've accidentally thought that Tom Hanks

864
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: wasn't famous before he was cast in Toy Stories, So

865
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: we don't know anything. We didn't. I think we were

866
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: just tired that day. But that and I had were

867
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: any of those This is the year before Monks, so

868
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: I think made him get There are people who are

869
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean the George Clooney cameo. I think is treated

870
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: as if he is blatantly too famous to be And

871
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: did you also know Richard Linklater is in this movie?

872
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: For a second, Oh yeah, they're really good friends because

873
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: they're both from Texas. Wait what is he? Is he

874
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: like one of the bodyguards. He was credited as cool spy.

875
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: He's probably one of the guys that like attacks the

876
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: safe house or yeah, there is like a yeah, that's funny. Well,

877
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: I mean Riguez must be an awesome friend, because I

878
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: feel like everyone always like, yeah, like he he must

879
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: just be like a really cool, nice guy or I hope,

880
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: and it seems that way. I know very limited information

881
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: about Robert Rodriguez except that he made Spike. Um. I've

882
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: still quite of his movies. I've seen the like um

883
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: Desperado trilogy. I've seen since that. He is I think

884
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: still one of my favorite movies. I don't know, I

885
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: haven't seen in a while. But Mike, I'm sorry. I'm

886
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: just like looking at the credited character names to see

887
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: if there's any female characters that we we didn't talk about.

888
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: But there's so many male characters, but they all have

889
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: such silly names. Alexander Minion Donegan giggles, what I didn't

890
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: realize Mike Judge's character's last name is giggles Cheaches, Felix Gum,

891
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: Mr Liss cool spy agent Johnny, Like, who are these

892
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: who wrote this movie? It was Robert Rodriguez. Well to

893
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: what you were saying, Catherine about like, um, did the

894
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: like the level of the actor's fame play into like

895
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: how important their character was? I mean maybe, but also

896
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: like it just tends to be the default for especially

897
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: male writers, and just I mean, especially at this time

898
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: where the men were just given more important things to do,

899
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: we know more about their characters. That's just been the

900
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: default throughout all of history. So that's not great. Also,

901
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: I think Carla Giugino is she's only twenty nine in

902
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: this movie too. Yeah, she's only um so they really

903
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: pushed her into mom roles kind of early because saying

904
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: but yeah when this when this movie was released, she

905
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: was only twenty nine years old, no kidding, Yeah, And

906
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: Antonio Benders was like, okay, well that checks out standard

907
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: Hollywood age gap. Love it at it again. We we've

908
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: been talking about how there aren't that many female characters,

909
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: but we're forgetting about the female coated thumb thumb. I

910
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: was wearing a sexy nurse outfit. She has like very

911
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: fem fingernails and they're painted, and she has like a

912
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: very like the other thumb sums are like these like

913
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: oh fish shapes. And then but the female thumbthumb was

914
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: like a very like curvy, sexy shape. I want to

915
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: I guess in general, I would say the sumptumbs are genderless,

916
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: but then there was such a clear gender signifier of

917
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: lady finger finger, lady lady finger that I'm like, maybe

918
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: they are supposed to be male coated because they're unpainted

919
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: thumb thumbs. I choose to interpret them as genderless, but

920
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: I not me. I think that because of that clear

921
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: indication we've got, the male symptoms are allowed to be

922
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: like the soldiers, the spies, and then the the only

923
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: female thumbthumb we see is thrust into this like caregiver

924
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: nurse role so and like made to be sexy. There. Yes,

925
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: I agree. I think I'm just like going with my

926
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: own headcanon on this one. Even if Robert Rodriguez doesn't

927
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: understand that the thumb thumbs are doing their own things.

928
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: They're identifying as they choose. That's how I feel. I

929
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: just have a several very quick notes things I noticed

930
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: about the movie. Uh. One, Carmen in this movie looks

931
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: exactly like how Joseph Gordon Levitt looked in Third Rock

932
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: from the Sun. They should have cast him as her

933
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: evil doctor Ganger. The sound effects in this movie are wild. Okay.

934
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: The music. There is a song that Flope sings toward

935
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the movie, and You're like, did this

936
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: get cut from Nightmare before Christmas? Like it is such

937
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: a like Danny Alfman, Tim burtony And then big reveal

938
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: it is Danny And then we learned that Danny Elfman

939
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: did write some of the music for this movie. Man.

940
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: And then I was like, now I'm gonna like question

941
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about when I say this seems like

942
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: a Tim Burton movie, Like maybe it just sounds like

943
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: a Danny Elfman movie. And I'm not giving Mr elf

944
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: his his Someone was saying, I'm just on such a

945
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: Will Palter kick that if someone makes a movie about

946
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: Oingo Boingo that Will Palter should play Danny Elfman. I'm

947
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: just putting that out into the world to all of

948
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: our listeners who are developing the ongo Bo movie, which

949
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: is all of them, all of them yeah, incredible. Uh.

950
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of a sound effect, my favorite sound effect in

951
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: the entire movie is Flop's cape. You hear it does?

952
00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: It sounds distinct sound and he does it so drastically.

953
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: He like every time he gets up, he like sweeps

954
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: it back and it's the loudest sound of I love

955
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: his care I love him so much. I think Comic

956
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: is my favorite actor of all time. He's terrific. He's

957
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: my offer Molina. This is like I also think, no

958
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: disrespect to Shalou that Alfred really couldn't knocked that part um,

959
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: but you know he was busy being in Chuck a lot. Also,

960
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: Floop is trying to figure out what's missing from his

961
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: children's show because it's it's rated number two and he

962
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: wants to be number one. And he keeps pondering this,

963
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: and I think the answer is probably a few women

964
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: in your writer's room, buddy, I'm guessing you don't have any.

965
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: That's what's missing from your show, Mr Floop. And we

966
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: did touch on this briefly before, but I really I

967
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: thought it was so I kind of forgot this. I

968
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: remember the vision how that scene with Floop and Junie

969
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: looks visually because its blazoned onto my brain forever. But

970
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: the fact that like a young boy expressing his feelings

971
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: and trying to empathize with an adult and the adult

972
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: being responsive to that, like solves a major plot thing.

973
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh wow, we're like because I feel

974
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: like we were sort of saying like that is normally

975
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: would be like the girl's role is to use the

976
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: power of feelings, and if that had happened with Carmen,

977
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: I would have been like rolling my eyes at it.

978
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: But because it's Juny and he is kind of like

979
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: even towards the beginning, Spy Daddy is kind of like

980
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: Juny or too soft, stop drawing, stop watching Alan coming

981
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: on TV. And and Johnny is like, I like it,

982
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: and then like later, I mean, he proves himself that,

983
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: like empathy is a good thing to have, And you know,

984
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: Spy Daddy, he's he's got to untangle some of his

985
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, toxic masculinity and he can learn from his son.

986
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: Hopefully he does that. In Spy Kids two through four,

987
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: or whichever one season is, Antonio Antonio Vendors, isn't two

988
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: write I don't remember. Aristotle confirms, yes, kids, But is

989
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: he in three? I don't think I know Junasm he

990
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: is in three. Everyone's in three when it goes crazy

991
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: phase two of Kids. One of my favorite parts in

992
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: the movie is when they go to the safe house

993
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: and Carmen finds the drawer of like the stash of

994
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: emergency cash, and then she's like, wow, emergency cash from

995
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: every country and there are tens of cash, and it's like, yes,

996
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: all ten countries in the world. I did look very

997
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: hard and studied the flags and figured out that the

998
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: country's represented are Canada, Germany, Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, the UK,

999
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: the US, South Korea, It'll and Argentina. Fredriguez just pick

1000
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: his top ten. He's like, these are my favorite travel destination. Um.

1001
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: Just getting into the trilogy a little bit. I'm just

1002
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: looking at the list of names. So I guess in

1003
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: three and I have no recollection besides video game of

1004
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: what happens in three, But apparently we meet Mike Judges,

1005
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: Donnegan Giggles his whole family, and Emily Osmond plays his

1006
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: daughter Gertie Giggles, Um Matt O'Leary, and Salmahaiak plays his

1007
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: wife Francesca Giggles and the third which I'm like a

1008
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: weirder couple than Mike Judge and Salmahaak. I cannot think

1009
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: of in my brain, Like what did they talk about?

1010
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Wait, okay, but isn't Shark Boy and

1011
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: Lava Girl like a spinoff of something has to do

1012
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: with spy kids. I feel like it's stylistically. Isn't the

1013
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: girl like the two characters in the game for the

1014
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: third one? And then there's a spin off right and

1015
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: lounge regularly? Well, why did docs Taylor Lottner? I saw

1016
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: him there twice two years ago, and now I just

1017
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: say he lives there and he works there. Oh. I

1018
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: had one last thing. The Terry Hatcher's scene when they

1019
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: when she comes into the safe house makes no sense.

1020
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: Here's why. So she finds out that the third Brain

1021
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: exists only after Carmen tells her this. Up to that point,

1022
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: all the bad guys think that the third Brain had

1023
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: been destroyed. Whenever we see the flashback of Antonio Bender

1024
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: is crushing a walnut instead of the Third brain. So

1025
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: Carmen's like, no, the third Brain lives, and then Terry

1026
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: Hatcher says, oh, well, it must be here then, because

1027
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't at the Corte's house. Why were they searching

1028
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: for something that they think was destroyed? Huh? I should

1029
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: be a spa when you should be the spy when

1030
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: you think about it. Anyway, Does anyone have any other

1031
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: thoughts about the film? I am just impressed of a

1032
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: lot of the comedic physical gags in this movie for

1033
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: being an insane movie. There's a lot like geared towards kids,

1034
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like a lot of the like weird

1035
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: comedic writing things, and a lot of the jokes are

1036
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: like for adults or like kids won't understand. Almost I

1037
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: don't know. It was just like a good example of

1038
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: like gags I was saying in the film, like visual gags,

1039
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I didn't know that you

1040
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: could do this and move like the George Clooney like

1041
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: off the eye thing and then puts it back on.

1042
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really, I was just so impressed

1043
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: with a lot of those silly, I mean things. I'm like,

1044
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: really am Robert Rodriguez for making something so like extremely

1045
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: still like that just feels like using all the cloud

1046
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: he built up to this point because this was his

1047
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: uh seventh movie. Post from Dusk Till Dawn like he

1048
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: was a well established director at this point and just

1049
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: like went for it. We don't make a movie spy

1050
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: kid like kids movie, body horror spy kids movie. I

1051
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: just I'm like, man, that is that is a responsible

1052
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: use of power. I really like that's the cool because

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01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: it's so different from most of his other work, which

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01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: is like pretty like I mean, some of it's pretty

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01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: like can't be violence, but like he's like Tarantino and

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01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: that like a lot of his movies are just like this,

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01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: like wild chopping of heads and blood squirting everywhere and

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01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: just like crazy violence. And then he made Spy Kids,

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01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: and incidentally, Spy Kids three D Game Over, which he

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01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: did direct, comes out the same year as Once upon

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01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: a Time in Mexico, so it contains most working Man,

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01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: a movie where Johnny Depp's eyes get gouged out and

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: kiss came over. Yes, but I mean, I just think

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: it's like really cool and like, even though these aren't

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01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: the movies he's like primarily remembered for by most people

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01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: except for the Three of Us. Um, it's like he

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01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: developed like this really distinct visual style for kids movies

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: that no one else has ever done. It's just it's

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: so cool, and he directed all four Spy Kids movies

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01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: and Shark Boy and Love a Girl Commitment and the

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01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: whole Machete and I Mean, and also the spinoff by

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Speaker 1: kids called I Just I don't know this rewatching this, Uh,

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01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: I was like, just increased my rabbit Riguez Rodriguez respect

1074
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: by even more than I already need it. He's pretty dope,

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01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: He's cool. Does this movie pass the bacteal test or

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: the spy test? It does both passes both of them.

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01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: I had it passing at least twice. There's the opening

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: scene with Carmen and Ingrid, and there's a moment where

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: Junie is off covering his warts and they have a

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: brief conversation about like, are they going to better than

1081
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: not going to bed? Did you brush your teeth already?

1082
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah? Everything okay? At school? It's fine. And

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01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: then this is kind of a duplicitous pass, but it

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: does pass between Carmen and Miss h Griddenko as well,

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01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: even though they're talking about girl power, but the subtext

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: is girl power is fake. Um so, but it does past.

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01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: Does it pass again at all? I forgot to pay

1088
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: his close attention as I should. Toward the end, whenever

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: the kids reunite with the parents. I don't think. I

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01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: don't think so because Carmen does. I feel like Carmen

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01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: does most of the talking, but she's talking to George

1092
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: like she's talking to the TV. And what about in

1093
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: the flu Palace, does it? I couldn't. I think. I

1094
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of Antonio Benderis talking. It's mostly

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01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: I think the main thing is that there's just not enough.

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: There's like there's three female characters in the entire movie,

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01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: and it's like completely outweighed. I think in little parts

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: it passes like pretty easily with with the interactions. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's mostly like when they're as a family,

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01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: it's Antonio Benderius kind of leading the charge of like

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: we're a family, we're going to do this, as opposed

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01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: to Ingrid Andre. Unless I'm missing up, I'm missing a

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: scene or something that I mean, given the fact that

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: we only have three female characters that have any significance,

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01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: all of them do have conversations with each other at

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01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: very least there's a sort of pass between Gridenka and

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Speaker 1: Ingrid that you could I mean, it's when they're like

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01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: when she's like on the TV or something, yeah, when

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Speaker 1: she's on the TV in the car. But the subtext

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Speaker 1: of learning with yeah yeah, so the subtext doesn't work

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01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: on paper, technically works. Yes, we've you know, the Bechdel

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Speaker 1: test is a flawed metric, and arguing about it is

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01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: basically pointless. Yeah. No, I mean, at very least the

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: female characters we are given, we know who they are,

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: they care about each other, and it's not always about

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01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: the majority men in the movie. Yes, let's read the

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01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: movie on our nipple scale, shall we. It's zero to

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01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: five nipples based on its representation of women. I'm gonna

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01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: give this. I suppose I would give it like a

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: three because it is handling the way women and girls

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01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: are represented in media better than a lot of media

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01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: targeted towards children, at least of the films we've covered

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Speaker 1: so far. You know, there's there's parody among the genders

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01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: that we see, but the fact that there are far

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Speaker 1: more men than there are female characters. The fact that

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: Antonio Benderis hates women and just want them to be

1127
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: mummies is to at home. But no, I mean, I

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01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: think it does a lot of good things and um,

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: especially the fact that it's like representation of Latin xt

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: mixed family like that on screen, being the driving force

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: of the narrative. Yeah, I love Alan Cumming and all

1132
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: of my nipples go to him. I'm gonna go this

1133
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: is and I'm probably overshooting it a little bit, but

1134
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to get three and a half. I I

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: love Carmen Um and I love hearing your connection to

1136
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 1: her Catherine, which it was, I mean, something that didn't

1137
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: because I was, you know, as a little white girl

1138
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: and had truly an embarrassment of riches of problematic characters

1139
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: to latch on to Um. But the fact that I mean,

1140
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: it's like Carmen is a really cool character. She's not

1141
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: a problematic character. She's like a really cool and also

1142
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: realistic like example for a girl that age, Like she

1143
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: kicks her brother's ass, but she loves him, and like

1144
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: she's good at stuff and she's observant, and like that

1145
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: character alone is just like I don't know, like it

1146
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: feels like a miracle that that character avoids so many

1147
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: of the pitfalls that preteen girl character written by a

1148
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: man would normally fall to, because it's usually that like precocious,

1149
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: like genius child trope, like the wise beyond her years

1150
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: child or sexualized too early or any number of horrible things,

1151
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: but she's truly treated just like a character and has flaws.

1152
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: She still wets the bed sometimes, like there it's I

1153
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I really love how the spy

1154
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: kids are written in this movie. And I think that

1155
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: like JUNI is a really, um, really cool example of

1156
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: like not a hyper masculine little boy and having that

1157
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: be part of like what makes him cool and like

1158
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: part of like what makes him good at being a spy.

1159
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: So I think it's great. Yeah, and uh, I just

1160
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: just a fun fact I'd like to throw into the ring.

1161
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: Robert Rodriguez walked Alexe Vega down the aisle. Oh my,

1162
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: he has to be so nice, right, like he seems

1163
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: like great? Well, we did ask, I did post the

1164
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: question was Alan coming at the Megan Trainer at wedding?

1165
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 1: I guess the real question is was Robert Rodriguez and

1166
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: Alan coming? Uh? Did officiate? Like? What did they do?

1167
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: What was their role? I hope that being Juny and

1168
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: being an empathetic young male character is what taught Darryl

1169
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: Samara that it's okay to be Mr. Megan Trainer. Um.

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01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: And also just something that I kept meeting to bring

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: up last night, and then I think I either got

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01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: embarrassed or tired and kept forgetting to say. Is Alexe

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01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: Vega who now goes by Alexa Penia Vega because she

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01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: um she and her husband combined their last names, which

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: is the whole thing. But she has found a very

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01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: successful second life in Hallmark movies. She's been in six

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01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: in a row, so yeah, she's coming for all of

1178
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: the full House ladies anyways, And I do have a

1179
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,759
Speaker 1: few issues with the way that Ingrid's character is presented.

1180
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: I just mainly wish we knew more about her and

1181
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: that there were more female characters. But Carmen, I don't know.

1182
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: Carmen is such a victory, uh, for for all and

1183
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: so is JUNI So three and a half for me,

1184
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: Gonna give all of them to Chaloub alright, yeah, wonderful

1185
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: for all of his heads. He's going to need for

1186
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: each of his Yeah, how about Catherine. I think I'm

1187
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: going to give it a four out of five only

1188
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: because I'm just jumping off of Jamie's point of Carmen

1189
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: being such a victory and it's like the movie set out.

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01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: I think what it wanted to do was show these

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01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: kids in like a really cool way, and I think

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: it successfully did that because in my head, the movie

1193
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: is more about the two kids learning about themselves rather

1194
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: than the parents. Um, and I think it successfully did that.

1195
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: And I think, like what you're saying was that, like,

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01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: Carmen is well developed and she's to me like the lead.

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: Like I think her and Junior equally the stars of

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: the movie. But I feel like watching her kind of

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01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: bumped it up, being like, no, she's cool, I want

1200
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: to be like her, like she's a she's a spy,

1201
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: but she's also like weird and like she can be

1202
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: made fun of and it's fine. I think that's why

1203
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: I pushed it up a little bit. But um, I agree.

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: I think there's not enough female characters and the other

1205
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: two adults just weren't developed enough, and I think they

1206
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: could have been easily. But I think it. I think

1207
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: it does more good than it does harm. So I'll

1208
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: give it. I'll give it that, And as a movie

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01:13:54,439 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: in general, ten a ten, wherever so many good things.

1210
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: We also forgot to mention that we learned that Carmen

1211
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: skips school to go off to Belize sometimes she somehow

1212
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: she manages to go from wherever they live again, never clear,

1213
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: but wherever they live to believe to just just hang

1214
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: out twice a month. Was it twice a month or something? Yeah,

1215
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: she was like she skips school twice a month. Um,

1216
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: I'll give one nipple to that scene where Junie has

1217
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: the what is it the handcuff, the little safe handcuff

1218
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: to his hand and he wants to get it off,

1219
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: and he smacks it on the rock or the wall

1220
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: and it bounces back. It is the funniest sits him

1221
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,440
Speaker 1: in the head. It's the funniest thing in that movie. Um,

1222
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: and I will give the rest of that rating to

1223
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: the entire Safe House. That the best thing the little

1224
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: like packets that turn into a Those they're clearly pop tarts, right,

1225
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: They're clearly pop tart packaging. It's a perfect product. That

1226
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: McDonald's thing. You're just like, it's like the really wanted

1227
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: a big mac. I know, but I've got sludge so

1228
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: I can't eat why. I'm pretty sure you have the

1229
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: green also maybe stolen from Night Before Christmas. I was

1230
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: like that scene where Sally is eating the green soup. Yes,

1231
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's some weird crossover that I think

1232
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: we're missaying. Well anyway, Katherine, thanks for coming on the pause.

1233
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm so excited I finally convinced you to watch it

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01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: after years. It's so fun to watch. Everyone should watch

1235
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: this movie in a group too. It's so much fun

1236
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: to watch in the group. It's wild. Yeah, so yeah,

1237
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. What would you like to plug? Oh?

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01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: I don't know where can people follow you online? Um? Twitter?

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01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: I guess that hellhole? Um, it's just my name at

1240
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: Katherine Leon. They do a UCB show every Friday's at

1241
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: eleven called JB Throwback Friday. Um. Rod Stewart Live is

1242
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: every Wednesday in Highland Park. Stand up show Atlantics use

1243
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: a sketch at UCB every second Thursday at UCB Franklin,

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: eight pm. Um. I think that's it all right. Well,

1245
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: if you live in l A or if you're visiting,

1246
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: come to those she runs this town. I'm probably there.

1247
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: You can follow us on social media at Bactelcast. We've

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Speaker 1: got a Patreon a k a Matreon that you can

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01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: give money from any of the following countries South Korea, Argentina,

1250
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: they're only ten country UK there's only ten of them.

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01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: If you don't live in one of those countries. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but you don't have money. Also, don't like the like.

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Speaker 1: They listed countries that I think share a currency. Hang on,

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01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: let me, it's like Guatemala and Columbia, right, yes, do

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01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: they all? I don't know which countries use with like,

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01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: but like Germany and Italy are on the Euro. But

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: also I did some extra search and I think in

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