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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating Wild Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Wit and today we have a

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Speaker 1: very special guest. I was super excited the second the

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Speaker 1: second I heard your name. I was like, Yo, everybody

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Speaker 1: like whatever day he wants all crew, We're just making

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Speaker 1: it happen around your date. So today we have special

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Speaker 1: guests Mario in the building.

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Speaker 2: What's up? What's up? Mario?

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Speaker 1: You don't need a bio or an explanation. Like you

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Speaker 1: hear the name Mario, you already know who it is.

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Speaker 2: Mario. Yes, I'm excited about this.

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Speaker 1: So what are you making us eat today on Eating wildber.

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Speaker 3: Look, usually this is something you would eat after your

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Speaker 3: a big meal, your dinner or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to do something a little different. I've

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Speaker 2: seen some of your shows, which I love your show

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Speaker 2: by the way, thank it's a very moving show, is

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Speaker 2: very raw. I love that. Today let me give you

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Speaker 2: that sucker tuning up. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I've never even heard of socket to me, and it's

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Speaker 1: really spelled socket to me, Yeah crazy, and it's I

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Speaker 1: never heard of it. And then I was like the

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Speaker 1: second I saw socket to me, Cake, I said, huh

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Speaker 1: and I said, let me google this. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 1: does exist, guys, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is Google. It's a real thing.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know about it. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I was a kid when my grandmother used to make it.

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Speaker 3: And the fondest memories I have of soccer to me,

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Speaker 3: cake is fighting with my cousins over who's going to

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Speaker 3: get the bowl that had the last bit of battery.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and these right here, yes.

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Speaker 3: Like these, these could get you a black eye mouth

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Speaker 3: because the way she used to mix the battery and

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Speaker 3: get the whole it's just for so I don't know

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Speaker 3: if it's gonna turn like that today. But I don't

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Speaker 3: have her little special lists, she said.

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Speaker 2: But she did. She tell me some seat why you.

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Speaker 1: Know, just so you know a little side story, because

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Speaker 1: I am familiar with the blender tools. We all licked

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Speaker 1: them in our household too, especially don't let like chocolate

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Speaker 1: chip cookie though, don't forget it. But I saw on

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Speaker 1: these day actually have the new ones where it's like

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Speaker 1: not metal, it's like flat, so you can really get

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Speaker 1: a good lick, you can really, And we so this

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Speaker 1: right here, these actually used to be Remember the old

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Speaker 1: was that with just the lastick and it's rubber.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we used to go in there and we

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Speaker 2: used to go crazy.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, soccer tomic cake is like and she used

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Speaker 3: to make upside down pineapple cake, but that's a more popular, right,

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Speaker 3: But this is like, was my favorite dessert that she

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Speaker 3: would make. So I figured I would share here today

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Speaker 3: since the show is so raw and open.

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Speaker 1: And then, yeah, so what are the ingredients for the cake?

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Speaker 2: Ingredients?

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Speaker 3: We all know if we got the cake batter here,

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Speaker 3: we have eggs oil, sugar sold cream.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of like, why are you putting sour cream?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, what I said, the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's crazy chemistry, some water, and over here

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Speaker 3: we have some cinnamons and pecans, some it's figgas butter,

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Speaker 3: and then we're going to.

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Speaker 1: Be a milkyke mixed. So side note, you guys don't know.

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Speaker 1: You guys weren't here obviously, but every time Mario was

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Speaker 1: looking at the cinnamon, he was like questioning it a

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Speaker 1: little bit, and I was trying to get I was

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Speaker 3: I was like, cinnamon mixed up with and it's crazy

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Speaker 3: because this is the brow sugar.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, is bigger grains. I had to smell it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, so let's get to making.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be your helper. So if you want,

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Speaker 1: we can either walk you through your wars, because I

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Speaker 1: see you have two different bowls.

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Speaker 3: So you're going to do that bowl over there, okay,

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna do this, then you're going to do.

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Speaker 2: It's not really any specific order. You just want to make.

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Speaker 2: The The most important thing is once you get the better,

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Speaker 2: everything in the better is that you beat it up.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: As long as you can okay, as long as you

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't see too many bubbles and like you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I'm really bad at cracking eggs.

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Speaker 3: Ain't gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 1: I cracked.

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Speaker 2: But if you want you want to do that, I'm

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Speaker 1: Bad at cracking an egg. I'm gonna tell you a

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Speaker 1: secret if you If you mess up, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what I think the secret is to crack in an egg.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to tell you before so they won't

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Speaker 2: waste no eggs?

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Speaker 1: No, I want to see you doing all right?

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Speaker 2: Cool, that's okay, it's perfect. A wait, do you have

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Speaker 2: to put it in here? All right, I'm resting.

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Speaker 1: Awesome that you seem like a g Okay, let's see

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Speaker 1: your next crack.

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Speaker 2: Let's see if it was just a good one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're good, no egg shell so far.

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Speaker 2: Probably because I'm not hesitating. I'm just going for it.

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Speaker 1: Yo, you're you're okay, you may be a professional.

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Speaker 2: Wait what's that right there?

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Speaker 1: That's a baby on pine?

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Speaker 2: Where is that that little black piece?

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Speaker 1: It's fine, it's just it's just we'll survive.

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Speaker 2: Let's go for it, all right. Cool that you did it.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic job cracking eggs. Just for you guys listening, My

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Speaker 1: secrets of cracking an egg is exactly how he did it.

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Speaker 1: The harder you crack it, the better it cracks.

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Speaker 3: It was telepathy for sure, because I usually don't go

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Speaker 3: like that just made me crazy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we got the eggs over the oil. Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, this is this.

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Speaker 3: Is already like we already put the right the measurements

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Speaker 3: and we ain't just guessing, and then we got the

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Speaker 2: But it's crazy because like most people who can cook that.

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Speaker 2: I know. They don't even do measurements. They go off

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Speaker 1: But I think that's most black people though. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we got no you may there's a rubber one on

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Speaker 1: the other side. So now we got the sour cream.

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Speaker 1: Now I've never seen.

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Speaker 2: I used to love looking at this what we used

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Speaker 1: Now I have never seen sour cream going a cake.

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Speaker 1: So when I heard the ingredients, I t.

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Speaker 2: Of what the sour cream will be used for? Is

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Speaker 2: it compted consistency?

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Speaker 1: Is exporter textra makes it like all moist and nice? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: trust me. I did research because I was like, socker

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Speaker 1: to me. Then I called some friends, like sour cream

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Speaker 1: she's like, no, girl, it makes it all so nice.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Being a chef probably really makes you understand chemistry better.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to go on this side now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it sure, wait, I gotta put this water in

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Speaker 2: here for oh yeah water?

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Speaker 1: All right, So there's all the ingredients for the sucking

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Speaker 1: to me cake. Now before Mario starts blending and us

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Speaker 1: having to send you to uh, it's a commercial because

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Speaker 1: now I'm gonna to do so Soccer to me, has

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Speaker 1: it is interesting because what I had noticed you can

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Speaker 1: explain this, but it has like pecans.

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Speaker 2: And cinnamon, got pecan cinnamon inside. So what you get

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Speaker 3: You get this sweet, doughey yet still crunchy texture when

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Speaker 3: you write into it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I personally like to eat mine and drink it with

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Speaker 3: almond milk, which is why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're both we're both drinking almond milk.

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Speaker 3: But it's warm and it's it's amazing. You want to

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Speaker 3: eat it warm. You can eat it cold, but you

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Speaker 3: definitely want to eat it warm. Yes, just put the Yeah, put.

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Speaker 1: The cinnamon right, So cinnamon in the cake mix. We

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Speaker 1: pecans in the cake and then we got.

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Speaker 2: To mix it.

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Speaker 1: Right, yet do we really put this to sugar? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm following you.

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Speaker 3: That's again, that's the helps the Okay, we mix it.

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Speaker 3: And so what happens is we're gonna mix this first. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna put that inside.

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Speaker 1: Mario, Well, just finished blending the cake mix. It's officially done,

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Speaker 1: and now I made the topic. Well if this isn't

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Speaker 2: Cake in between the cake.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly how that part works because I

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Speaker 2: For the batter, the batter booth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's get our little pants. I think I did

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Speaker 1: have butter, but I don't have the We'll just do

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Speaker 1: We got our little pants. I'm so excited to to

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Speaker 1: try the cake. But I'm also so excited to hear

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Speaker 3: All right, cool, let me do this real quick because

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Speaker 3: it was a little scalpy in there. Okay, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: We got it, all right, So here we go. We

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Speaker 1: pour the battering. Can we test it? Can we? Are

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Speaker 1: we allowed to lick the little sticks?

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Speaker 2: This is yours like an ice cream. It's like your

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Speaker 1: Col Yes, here we go, chairs here all right, let's see.

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Speaker 2: See this is why we used to go crazy. You say,

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Speaker 2: you get it, you get it.

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Speaker 1: I have had a siblings. Okay, this is what we

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Speaker 1: do siblings.

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Speaker 3: I got four sisters and three brothers. But that's on

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Speaker 3: my father's side. But I did grow up with most

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Speaker 3: It was like eighteen of us living in the house.

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Speaker 1: I ate this.

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Speaker 2: This isn't deserved by itself.

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Speaker 1: Crazy the better it is fantastic. All right, So are

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Speaker 1: you getting in it?

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Speaker 2: I like it?

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Speaker 1: I like I like how you go bring Okay, so

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Speaker 1: pour your some. I guess you're pouring some of it

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Speaker 1: into like half of the batter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta fill it up halfway. Oh wow, there

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Speaker 2: you go.

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Speaker 3: We make that ship it and we left this battery

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Speaker 3: here so that we can just we can see the

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Speaker 3: part of the experience. Like, yes, when I was a kid,

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Speaker 3: like we would literally argue over who was going to

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Speaker 3: get the batter, right, yeah, because it's like.

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Speaker 1: Well while we while we tried this batter. I want

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Speaker 1: to know a little bit more about you.

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you want to know? Where

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Speaker 2: would you? Like?

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Speaker 1: I want the story to start all with the batter,

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Speaker 1: So what was going on at the time, like when

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Speaker 2: Well, we moved around quite a few times. When I

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Speaker 3: Okay, my mother was pregnant with me. She lived closer

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Speaker 2: Ten years old.

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Speaker 1: Was your mom a single mom?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? She was. She was.

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Speaker 3: I saw my dad like once when I was younger,

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Speaker 3: and then as I guess time went on, it just

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Speaker 2: But we're cloling down, But damn, mama was a singlema.

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Speaker 3: But I was like, we had one of those families

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Speaker 2: But we had a lot of freedom.

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Speaker 3: As kids because our parents were all like this is

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Speaker 2: Right, So our parents.

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Speaker 1: So was your family primarily all in that city?

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Speaker 1: Because I know, like for me, like I have family

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Speaker 2: And it's like it, but it was. It was like

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Speaker 3: Because again, I mean, I guess the closest thing I

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Speaker 2: That's like what I was, like, Saint God out it

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Speaker 1: So just to fashion, you started in the industry at

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Speaker 3: I was, Well, I would say I started at over

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Speaker 3: You know, my first concert was in my liberal you

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Speaker 3: always singing everybody's birthday parties, right, So my mother would

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Speaker 3: like trying to mimic everything. That's how it became I

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Speaker 2: I would try to sing.

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Speaker 1: So your family in totality, like did they embrace it?

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Speaker 3: I guess my mother was right. She played a piano

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of soulful people. I mean, my

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Speaker 2: If it was a birthday, I'm singing at the birthday party. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So it became a thing where I got my confidence

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Speaker 2: My first talent show was.

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Speaker 1: Was that because of the crowd's reaction or what that was? That?

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Speaker 3: But as a kid, like you're going to school with

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Speaker 2: And then I do that and it's like everybody likes you.

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Speaker 1: Were you kind of bullied before, but it was just

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Speaker 2: I was never really bullied. I was.

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Speaker 3: I got in a lot of fights, but I wasn't

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Speaker 2: Clearly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my older cousins like we would like come on,

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Speaker 1: But you do the talent show and you see a

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Speaker 3: I see a shift as everybody teachers, classmates, the whole school, Okay, Right.

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Speaker 3: As a kid, I was so I was very exposed

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Speaker 2: To be the coolest in the school.

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Speaker 3: So it's like it automatically shot me from being this

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Speaker 1: I would never think that.

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Speaker 2: This battle I'll say that, celebrate them, I would Shelby

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Speaker 3: And then my grandmother was right there in the first

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Speaker 1: Before by the time because because of all the talented.

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Speaker 3: Party and the talent the family event like those, Because

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Speaker 3: singing in front of your family is hard. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was a kid, I was fun. Fact,

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Speaker 1: one of the things I remember is the damn where

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: One of the things I realized as a childhood performer

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Speaker 1: a thousand killed it.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: But like if you put one person in front of me,

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Speaker 3: You were cool in front of my family. Now I

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Speaker 3: it was like nerve wrecking to like like grow knowing

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Speaker 3: and you know, so it's like those types of things

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Speaker 1: Okay, I see what you're saying, Okay, so you go

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Speaker 3: Milestones in my younger life that led to being seen

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Speaker 3: about before the elementary school talent show. That talent show

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Speaker 3: from everybody in my family knowing this kid has talent,

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Speaker 3: to my peers and the school I went to every day,

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Speaker 3: people now knowing like, oh, you know, just this is

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Speaker 2: We got dressed. I was in a group. We got

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Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I was in the group with Monique Sudden.

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Speaker 3: Wow, She wasn't unique yet, sure she was on her

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Speaker 2: So then after that.

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Speaker 3: I think I wanna said it was like elementary school,

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Speaker 2: I was like like five to ten, right, I don't

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Speaker 3: Anyway that age and from that point on it became

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Speaker 3: it's like, okay, practicing, well, I got out of the

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Speaker 1: Your mom in that decision worse.

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Speaker 3: She told me, Okay, she said she knew she had

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Speaker 2: Life.

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Speaker 3: Life life changes, like you know generationally, you know. So

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Speaker 2: And so it was at the time, and so she

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Speaker 2: think that music.

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00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 3: When she saw that, it was like, okay, so what

447
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 3: the that is? You know, practicing talent shows? Oh you're

448
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 3: only ten, but you're.

449
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 2: You're doing a talent show with sixteen and seventeen year olds.

450
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't care you're gonna do it. I don't want

451
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: to do it.

452
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: Like the other time, it smells like cake, smells like

453
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: so your mom like, and she she also like provided

454
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: a level of discipline and structure to your career.

455
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's forehead, all.

456
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: Right, But did you do you do it the chicken

457
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 1: and egg? Did your mom come to you and be like, Okay,

458
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: you're talented and we're gonna pour all this or were

459
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,239
Speaker 1: you like, Mom, I really think I can do this?

460
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: And then she poured it into you.

461
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: Such a great question. And soon as you asked me that,

462
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 2: it took me to the sound way. She took me

463
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: to a barbershop.

464
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 3: And I can't remember how old it was, but as

465
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: I got older, she started taking me to the barbershop.

466
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,959
Speaker 2: She used to cut my head and then she started

467
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: and she.

468
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 3: Had me sing for the guys in a barbershop, right,

469
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 3: and all of them gave me ten dollars each. So

470
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 3: I must have walked out of there with almost two

471
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: hundred dollars okay, right, And so that's the first time

472
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 3: I noticed that I can make money doing it, okay.

473
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 3: And I told I remember telling her. I said, my like,

474
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 3: this is I can make money singing.

475
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah you can.

476
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: She's like, who's got to work hard, you know, and

477
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 3: believe in yourself. And so after that she started putting

478
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 3: me in talent shows and I did my first big

479
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 3: talent show that got me some recognition was a talent

480
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: show copa state hop and State College in Baltimore. And

481
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 3: I didn't win the show, but Drew Hill was there.

482
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: It was label Execs there.

483
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: It was a big thing. It used to happen like

484
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: once every three four months.

485
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: Did you know that those type of level of people

486
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: are going to be there?

487
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: Okay?

488
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: So you just came to oh mom, Okay, I didn't know.

489
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: And I have another question to go back to the

490
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: barbershop story. Do you think your mom knew that they

491
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: were going to give you the money or do you

492
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: think it was a pleasant surprise?

493
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 3: For both definitely a pleasant surprise, but she was just

494
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: bragging like almost us, saying he can he can go

495
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: right okay. And then she was like saying, so she's

496
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: always prominent the spot. And I used to hate it

497
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: because I'm just like I like to prepare my mind

498
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: for it. She used to make me do it because

499
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: I think she just she was proud, right, Yeah, I

500
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 3: would do that with my child, you know.

501
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 2: And and I also thought.

502
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: I think she just loved music so much as well,

503
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 3: so her passion for seeing me do what she loves

504
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: also was just immediate all that much more important to her.

505
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,719
Speaker 2: And so now she just maybe and then they were like, hey,

506
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: little man, look like happened.

507
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: Just happened now before we go into like the tipping point,

508
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: I would like to say that the pre tipping point,

509
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: so just kind of circle back on you and your mom.

510
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: So it seems like and I could be off. Was

511
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: this like the music kind of also like this bonding

512
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: thing that you guys had or was it like it

513
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: was it became like the little glue between you or

514
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 1: do you guys? Did you guys have like an overall

515
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: well balanced relationship and this was just the toping.

516
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: Well I would say that our relationship got tighter as

517
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: I got older because I started to understand the importance

518
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: of it more as a kid. She was there, but

519
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: she also wasn't there in a lot of ways because

520
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: she was suffering from her with her or challenges of life.

521
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 2: And so music was definitely.

522
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: Something I never doubted between It was one thousand per

523
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: cent of bar we had. She played piano sometimes and

524
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: I would literally just I coulpays sing To this day,

525
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 3: it's something I love to do with producers and writer.

526
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: It's just because I used to do it with my mother.

527
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: So it's like a lot of songs start like that.

528
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: A lot of moments, a lot of great chemistry start

529
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: like that between creators. Because that's why I feel comfortable

530
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: breaking the ice. I might not even know how to

531
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 3: talk to somebody, we might never get it, but since

532
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: the music start, you know, and I think she is

533
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 3: still that in me of like helping me understand the

534
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 3: communication and music. How powerful it was in terms of

535
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: creating space to understand each other.

536
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: And there was definitely a glue. It was one percent

537
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: of glue.

538
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: She'd always play amazing music and she was one of

539
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: those people that she took everything when it came to

540
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: music and picking the right songs at the right time.

541
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: She just took it really seriously. She was always playing

542
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: music around out. She always had a car. Fully see,

543
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: when CDs came out, she had those booklets, you know,

544
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: those book with the CD just unlimited music, just music,

545
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: and I would take cart would steal it, honestly out

546
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: of her car and I would go put it in

547
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: my carrier machine. And the one I had, you could

548
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: put the CD in on one side and the cassetteide

549
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: and courge yourself sack.

550
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: So I would do that. Wou practice and pant practice.

551
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so so she So she definitely played a

552
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: huge role in your music career. So going back to

553
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: this big performance at this college. So what happens you perform,

554
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: you get off stage, someone slides your card.

555
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: Let's before we even get there, Okay, all right, putting

556
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: you in this talent show. This conversation we happened putting

557
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: in this talent show. You know at the time, I

558
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: want to say, she was trying to go back to

559
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: college at the time, so she would we would leave

560
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: school and then go audition for stuff. She would always

561
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: try to get me in these things and shows and plays,

562
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: and we go to this audition and we meet this

563
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: guy who's running the talent show and I was the

564
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: youngest person on the show besides his niece.

565
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: How old were you would you say at this time?

566
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: It had to be like ten eleven.

567
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe too. And we get there and it's a

568
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: long line of people, right, so we're walking past. Little

569
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: do I know this is the audition line. It's the

570
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: audition line. But everybody I know. I don't see any kids.

571
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: I see groups.

572
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: I see guys out there dancing and they popping and stuff.

573
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: I see girls out there. I see all types of stuff.

574
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: And so we get inside and we're just waiting inside.

575
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 3: So we sat inside and he came in.

576
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: I went in.

577
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 3: No, I sat inside and there was somebody in there singing,

578
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 3: going crazy. She was singing like Whitney Houston or some

579
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 3: crazy incredible I heard it through the door.

580
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

581
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there the time listen listening to her sing,

582
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm like, ma, I'm looking at her.

583
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: She's like, come on, you going to here. I'm like,

584
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to do it. Started crying.

585
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: I got scared. She kneeled down. My mother was very

586
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 2: she was a capracr so she was very aggressive. And

587
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: it's like it wasn't even if she told her no,

588
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: she don't hear no. She don't. I don't think it's

589
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: possible for her to hear no. It was just impossible.

590
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: So I like her already, you know what I'm saying.

591
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: So like she was just one of those that that

592
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: type of energy, and I was very scared of her.

593
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: Please okay, please don't make me go in I don't

594
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: know this.

595
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: Man, Like, don't make me go ahead and sing if

596
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: it is bad.

597
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: And so I went in there and I sang and

598
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: but yeah he was.

599
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: He thought it was great whatever, And I got to

600
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: tell a show. So that's how that starts. Now.

601
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: Just see in the room when you were singing, like, okay,

602
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: did you feel extra pressure like you better?

603
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: Was it was? I was.

604
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: I left my body at that point. I wouldn't have

605
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: been able to do what I was just leaving. I

606
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: gave in, I gave up. I said, look, but I realized,

607
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: like looking back now, even as I'm telling a story,

608
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: I realized that everything that she was doing.

609
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: Was preparing me for these moments.

610
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: You know, So it came. It got to the point

611
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: where once I start singing, I.

612
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: Think I was madic because I know that space.

613
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: And I think anybody can relate to like having a

614
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: passion for something, no matter what's going on, when you

615
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: tap into that energy and you're in that vortex and

616
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: you're in that moment present, all your fears, everything goes

617
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: out the window and it's just you and God and

618
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, And that's what that was. And I think

619
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: that was like one of the first moments where I

620
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: realized the power and what she was doing, and yeah,

621
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: it was powerful.

622
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: So I did that. And then I think the Talent

623
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: show was a week later or something.

624
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: We got got dressed, I put on I had a

625
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: jeans suit set on with some fake a fake silver chain.

626
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: She cut my hair at that time. I actually still

627
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: got pictures somewhere. I gotta find it.

628
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I got and we go to the

629
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: Talent show. I do this show.

630
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: I kill it, you know, And then her his niece

631
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: ended up winning, but I think he gave it to

632
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: it for the but it was a moment that I'll

633
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: just never forget.

634
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: I was backstage.

635
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: I was mad, I was frustrated at a loss and

636
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: then like Drew Hill came in there, Cisco came in,

637
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: there was like solo man, Jazz came in there, is

638
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: it was it was fire and it was like.

639
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah and they yeah, they was there and so it

640
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: was fire.

641
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: That was fire.

642
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: So then what happens after that?

643
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: So after that, my mother meets a agent slash manager

644
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: at the time, and they connect. It's like, yeah, I

645
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: think your son has talent, but this is stuff that

646
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: she's telling me, and yeah. They just stayed connected over

647
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 3: the years and years later he reached out to her

648
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: to put me in a group.

649
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Years later, Wow, two years ago and two or three

650
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: years when.

651
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: You were doing solo at this time, I was just solo.

652
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: I was a solo artist.

653
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: I was singing in church. Mind you do all of this,

654
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: I'm singing in church. I'm like all of that, right,

655
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: And so.

656
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: I tried a group. Things that don't work out, and

657
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: then I ended up moving.

658
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: In New Jersey when I was like thirteen fourteen that

659
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: freshman year.

660
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: And high school and these are like, these cities aren't

661
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: like I would say, I would for lack of better word,

662
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: these aren't These are rough cities. Baltimore, but Jersey.

663
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: Also Jersey, where I lived, that wasn't it was it.

664
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: It was some of the kids that went to the

665
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: school I went to came from rough areas, so that's whay.

666
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: A lot of crazy stuff was going on like when

667
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: I got there. But like the Bregen County wasn't like

668
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: a super rough place, but it was.

669
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: It was.

670
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: It was spots, you feel me, like certain gangs or

671
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: certain culs. But it was nothing like I've never I've

672
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: never in my life been anywhere is as crazy as Baltimore.

673
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: Se And do you still go back to used to

674
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: go back time.

675
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: And time from time time, not a lot, but from

676
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: time to time.

677
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: So you and your mom just solo dolo to Jersey.

678
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: Well, I went, She said me, by myself. What do

679
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: you mean by yourself?

680
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: Just wait, I here's a plane ticket, by I mean,

681
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: here's let me.

682
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm skipping something. I'm not.

683
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: Let me not do that because I'm let me go back.

684
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: All right, cool, fuck it, we're gonna go.

685
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Now, we're gonna get by the way, yeah, you already

686
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: know we're gonna go over time. I saw, I saw

687
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: the mark.

688
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: We're going on get some cake.

689
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: So during this time, my family was falling a part

690
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: a lot, you know a lot of things where people

691
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: are getting older and things were changing.

692
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: It was a lot going on.

693
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: And I kind of got misplaced in that because when

694
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: my grandmother passed when I was twelve years old, that

695
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: took a lot out of me. That that changed my life,

696
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: That changed my perspective of everything I thought love was

697
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: life was.

698
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: My grandmother worked three jobs to take care of the family.

699
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: My great grandmother lived with us, her mother, And so

700
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: I watched my grandmother work tirelessly.

701
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: And take care of the.

702
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: Family while going through her own issues and sugar I

703
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: be like, I watched her kind of like deteriorate in

704
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: front of me because of stress and just life and

705
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: bad eating habits and you know, all of the things

706
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: that a lot of our grandmothers and uncle's didn't care

707
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: her worry about the time. Like if I knew what

708
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: I knew now about health and like the importance of

709
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: the frequency of your body and taking care of yourself

710
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: and the right fools out, would have been able to

711
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: save my grandmother for sure.

712
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: And I think about that so much, and I'm like.

713
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Would you say she passed young? The word grandma her

714
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: late faifty ye does young?

715
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: And so that took a toll on my family. My

716
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: family kind of fell apart after that. You know, even

717
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: though we had our issues that every it was a

718
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: lot of toxic, crazy stuff going on.

719
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: We're still family. But she was like the bat. She

720
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 2: was themself. You know.

721
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: She was the one that everybody would call when they

722
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: had issues, if they needed money, if they needed whatever,

723
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: like you know, So when that happened, it it changed.

724
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 3: It made me numb as a kid, I was.

725
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: I was. She was. She was like my mom, Like

726
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: she was like really my mom.

727
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: To assay, when you say it made you numb, so

728
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: that means that you were like avoiding your feelings.

729
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: It made me that time to life.

730
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: It made me numb to like expectations, It made me

731
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: numb to anything, like there was no more light in

732
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: my life. I felt like she was my life, you

733
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like I was, I seen so

734
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: many crazy things. I've seen people overdose in our house.

735
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: I've seen police was raising our house every other weekend,

736
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: like stee feeling like.

737
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: I grew up like that, and it was like.

738
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: She was the She just made life seeing like everything

739
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: was gonna be okay.

740
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: It was like.

741
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: That that her passing made you numb. But then you

742
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: just name like other things that were like some some

743
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: most people like myself would be like that was super

744
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: level trauma, regular regular.

745
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: All of that was regular, you know what I'm saying, Like,

746
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: all of that to me was was a regularized seek.

747
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: Since I can remember, I was seeing things stuff like that.

748
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: You feel me.

749
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: My my uncle got killed when I was like four

750
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: or five years old. My mother's brother, like he was like,

751
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: you know, somebody in our family that everybody looked up to.

752
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: He got shot twice. You know, I remember being.

753
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: A kid, and so you were like you were knew

754
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: to death, you weren't new to overdose, you weren't new

755
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: to crime. But then your grandma passes and that because

756
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: to me, to.

757
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: Me, she was like I'd never seen my grandmother cry.

758
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: I never except way in church, like you know when

759
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: she was praising the Lord, like I never seen her.

760
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: I never seen her fail or give up or or

761
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: she never wanted anybody to see her in pain. So

762
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: when she started getting sick and I started seeing that

763
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: part of her manifest I was just like, wait, what

764
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: is life like?

765
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: What is this? What's really going on?

766
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, so anyway, where she passed,

767
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: fell fell apart, and it was kind of like I

768
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: was a free agent.

769
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: It was like I was living with friends. I was

770
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: here's your mom.

771
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: What was going on with your mom?

772
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: Though at the time, I can't tell you exactly what

773
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: was going on where because I don't know, but I

774
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: know that she.

775
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: Was so you're her relationship.

776
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: She would like bob in and out your life, but

777
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: your grandma was your staple. That's that's what I'm getting.

778
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. Okay, Okay, I'm not good at telling

779
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: this story.

780
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: No, No, you're doing a great job. I'm just because

781
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: it's so crazy, Like I love hearing your story, like, yeah,

782
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: this is.

783
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: And it's true. I'm not gonna lie. It's my truth.

784
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 3: Is the reason why I am the way I am today,

785
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 3: why i'm you know, still here even in this game,

786
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: and and just.

787
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: Like focusing on living up no matter how hard things get.

788
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: Like so, but you know you're in my opinion, like

789
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: the entertainment business has got to be one of the

790
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: hardest industries, especially in I'm going to say especially in

791
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: your position, because when you hit the I would say

792
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: you break the class ceiling right in an industry. That's like,

793
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, constantly like okay, being pitched. Okay, what's the new,

794
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: what's the new, what's the new, what's the news.

795
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 2: I feel like it's helping me. Everything in life is alchemy. Alchemy, Okay, yeah.

796
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: I mean when you're dealing with when you're dealing with

797
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: something that has to do with giving people an expression

798
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: or an experience to have, it's all energy and it's

799
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: all ugly.

800
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: And that's how I've looked at it.

801
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: I'll save for the past six or seven years of

802
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 3: my life, like, Okay, how do I balance out all

803
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: these Are we burning that?

804
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: No? You're not burning it?

805
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

806
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: Should we check though? We should check it real quick.

807
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: Really, it's only been like twenty minutes.

808
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: Is it all right? Cool? Fat?

809
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: It smells like it just smells good. But you know

810
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: what it smells. Okay, you know that's all. Pause for

811
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: a second and just check it out. Mario was like, yo,

812
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: I smell it burning and I was like.

813
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: No, it's not the first time. He was like, no,

814
00:36:59,600 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: it's good.

815
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: It's definitely it definitely burns. Because this is what happens

816
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: when Coleen tries to be a backwards chef. So col

817
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: we did burn it, but before we get coked, we're

818
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna try it.

819
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: Let's try it.

820
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this, all right.

821
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna should we should we?

822
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: Are you gonna try it like that?

823
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: It's gonna it's gonna be hot.

824
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: There's more burn. Sorry, guys, I'm gonna try and I'm

825
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: going to try and put it on the plate, just

826
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: so you guys could see the inside of it. Is

827
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: it good?

828
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: Is it right? Is it okay? That's okay?

829
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Is it because I messed with it?

830
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: Okay? I want to see the inside. Guys.

831
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: Look it looks like legit. Look at the inside, so.

832
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: You look cool if you look at it from next.

833
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: So look, we have the cinnamon in there. The cake

834
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: probably mad because I burnt his cake. I'm sorry I

835
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: burnt your cake.

836
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: I wish I would justin.

837
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: He was like I smelled.

838
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: I was like I knew it was going there. I'm like, yeah,

839
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: it's going there. So I was in the story.

840
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: So okay, So I'm gonna try this cake. Mario's already

841
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: digging in.

842
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: Crazy during even matter. Oh my gosh, I.

843
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: Don't see why they use this RB. It's super moist.

844
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: Is yours as good as mine. Hold up, let me

845
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: show you how gangster I am. Oh my god, this

846
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: creak is good.

847
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: All right, you gotta try with the almond milk dough.

848
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: So get a bite and then like right after they

849
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: drink some other it's gonna put anything.

850
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: Wait, I wanted to put some of the batter on it,

851
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: right because I'm gangster, all right, I know what.

852
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: Is batter like.

853
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: But look, it's gonna be like an icing okay here, yeah,

854
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: really that's what I was saying. If we put the

855
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: batter on top, that it's gonna take away the breath.

856
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: Oh is that what you're saying.

857
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: I was saying that when he came, he's trying, then

858
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: it would have all right, let's hold on, honest the

859
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: thing and it wasn't Prasey with the batter already.

860
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: He ain't eve gotta say that. Don't even say that, Ireny.

861
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: Tell me that I had wow mm hmm on the milk,

862
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: my milk, cheers.

863
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: Chers eat it. Where I broke broken, we ain't broke.

864
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: But what an amazing combo, you know what. I definitely

865
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: say the sweetness and almond milk, so the cake turned

866
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: out absolutely delicious. This took us like fifteen minutes to

867
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: like prep and make, and if you don't have me

868
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: in your kitchen, you probably won't burn your cake.

869
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: It's okay, but we made it work.

870
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: We put the batter as icing, totally hooked it.

871
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Up in and it's still it's still like the tastes.

872
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: You still get what the you know what I mean?

873
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: So tom cake, Yeah, it's the cinnamon and the soft missing.

874
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: There's a certain custard that goes over the top. I

875
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 2: think that's what that's to use for mm hmm.

876
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: It's supposed to actually, it's actually supposed to have that

877
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 3: are on the top, but it's supposed to be a

878
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: different type of like an icing, like an icing.

879
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: I don't see. My grandma was a wizard in the kitchen. Love.

880
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: I crazy appreciate your grandma's contribution. So your life, because

881
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: now I can have Soccer to Me cake for the first.

882
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: Time, and you could and you could cook it more

883
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: often and get better at you know what I'm saying,

884
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: all right, and.

885
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: You can say that made Soccer to Me cake one

886
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: time on the show. I gotta drink this.

887
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: Milk, doesn't it add like the extra?

888
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm surprised the cake isn't sweeter.

889
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: Honestly, we didn't put a lot of sugar in there,

890
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: but I thought those cake mixes come with sugar already.

891
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: I don't know kind of cake missile us because we

892
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: got the person to go there first. I don't know,

893
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: but it tastes good like the icent like this makes

894
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: it feel like it's sweeten than what it is.

895
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: So I love it.

896
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: I love it, and batter is going to be my

897
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: new icing.

898
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Moving forward without the brac cake.

899
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: So your mom sends you to New Jersey after your

900
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: grandma passes, solo dolo. Now this is where I'm like,

901
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: where are you going?

902
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: Right?

903
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean, familiar with with who she sent me were

904
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: at the time, and I'm young. But when I tell you, like,

905
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you understand, Like I literally was numb

906
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: to all of it because the reason why I went

907
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: is because I was staying in a group home with

908
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: my best friend because his mom basically ran a group offs.

909
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: I was just staying there because we could do whatever

910
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: we were. You feel me, And it was just like

911
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: I was just I wasn't going to school, I was skipping,

912
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: so I got in trouble and see what happened. But

913
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: when the cops were looking for my mom. They like

914
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't with my parents, and so well, we finally

915
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: caught up where it was like either I had to

916
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: live with my aunt or and so I ended up moving.

917
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: I live with my aunt for a little bit, but

918
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: I just kept I already got a taste of what

919
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: being outside was like, and so I just liked it, right.

920
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: I liked my freedom at the time, and there was

921
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 3: no one there to leave me down the right path

922
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: or up the right path, and so from when I

923
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: got in trouble, but I was like when she didn't

924
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: want to take on that responsibility and not be able

925
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: to take care of me, And so that's why that's

926
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: the real reason I ended up moving.

927
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so you got to taste for the outside. You

928
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: were having all this freedom. Now were you saying freedom

929
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: and the sense of because like no curfews. Are you

930
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: saying that whatever.

931
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to do it as a as a twelve

932
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: year old kid, Well, that's really young to have that freedom.

933
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: No, No, wait fourteen, because I was in high school.

934
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: Okay, but you were still doing music, but you were

935
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: running the streets.

936
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: I wasn't doing music at the time. I was I

937
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: mean I was still singing him, so I was still

938
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: I still love. Yeah, I wasn't actively. I hadn't been

939
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: in one studio in my life.

940
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were. You weren't participating in talent shows anymore.

941
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: Because I was over. In my eyes, that was over.

942
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So you moved to Jersey and you're in a

943
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: group home that you're group.

944
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: The group of host thing happened in Baltimore, right, And

945
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: then when I moved to Jersey, that was like we

946
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: pretty much getting adopted really because I never went back home.

947
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be for a weekend, but I

948
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: never went back to Baltima, okay, right, and so that's

949
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: when it turned into put.

950
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Him in a group. The group don't work out.

951
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: Then when I when I was fourteen, I ended up

952
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: getting signed to J Records, Clive Davis's label.

953
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's how that happened.

954
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: Okay, so you get signed. I think I didn't tell

955
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: you before that I taped to Neo and Neo had

956
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: told me how he had. Now was that the record

957
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: that Neo that wasn't even nice?

958
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: It was like I was fifteen at this time. Okay,

959
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: this was like two thousand and two, two thousand and one, right, okay,

960
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: I fly to La worked with Warren Campbell.

961
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: He had this song called Just a Friend that he

962
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: had recorded on Usher already. They felt like the record

963
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: was too young for Usher. They went with another record,

964
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: and I ended up cutting Just a Friend. Shout out

965
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: to Warren Campbell and Harold Lily and all my family

966
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: guys that I loved that helped me understand how to

967
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: tell stories.

968
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: Musically.

969
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: We did come on Break my Hair Just a Friend, Like,

970
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: those are records that I recorded as my first project. Wow,

971
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: And they were the records that introduced me to the

972
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 3: world and I was fifteen years old.

973
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, so all of that happened. Money Run.

974
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: These peop really knew my story and where I came from. Yeah.

975
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: So it's like I had to break the ice with

976
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: them through sessions and stories.

977
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: And I Bring my Hair came.

978
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: About like just missing being home getting my hair braided

979
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 3: by my little girlfriend I had, Like that was what.

980
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: That's all I was about.

981
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: So you get pretty much catapulted overnight. Yeah, and what's

982
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: going on in your head? Mama made it. What's going on?

983
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: Are you seeing money or where you seeing money? Like

984
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: real money at the time, because I know I was

985
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: a kid.

986
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: I was. There was a basically like a trust set

987
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: up for me, but I wasn't.

988
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: Really you were like touching the money.

989
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't. But you were working absolutely, and we

990
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: were working. I was on promoto, I was touring the world.

991
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: And where's your mom doing all this? She was still

992
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: living in Baltimore, and.

993
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: She knows what's going on. She knows that you're traveling

994
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: and doing all this.

995
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: I think my year and my family they knew I

996
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: was doing my thing, but nobody in my family was involved.

997
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: Nobody was even trying to reach out at the time.

998
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: There were a few instances where family members try to

999
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: reach out, but it was done.

1000
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't rockets my mind.

1001
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: Mike, can you give me an example.

1002
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: I'm about to do. I'm not gonna I'm gonna give.

1003
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to, like figet it I wanted to

1004
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: give you.

1005
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: So that was an essens where one of my cousins

1006
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: came up to Jersey with my mom and it turned

1007
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: into like some real like yo, let us in or

1008
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: else type.

1009
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: Energy you feel me. They didn't understand the music you

1010
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: feel me, and.

1011
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: That that ended up being whatever I don't know if

1012
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: something like change had happened, but that disappeared, and I

1013
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 3: kind of was just like go with the riot because

1014
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know as a kid what was going on.

1015
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: I didn't understand how things were set up.

1016
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: I was then you probably were trying to like mess

1017
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: it up either, right, I would imagine I was. I

1018
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: was an autopilot still from your grandma, just in life.

1019
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, like imagine just like moving around so much and

1020
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: not understanding where you're going and not understanding the purpose

1021
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: behind everything. But I will say this, my grandmother on

1022
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: her deathbed Northwest Hospital, she told me, she said.

1023
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: This journey's gonna get really hard for you.

1024
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: But she said your deskline for greatness in her own words,

1025
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 3: but she said, your destline for greatness. Never give up.

1026
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm always with you, never give up.

1027
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: And to this day, I.

1028
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: Literally feel her with me everywhere, like it's a thing

1029
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: where it's like no, I've gone through so many teams,

1030
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: so many labels, so many and my own independent.

1031
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: Label now like I do all my own business.

1032
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: Now, I understand the business very well, good like life

1033
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: is good.

1034
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: But getting to this.

1035
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 3: Point, every point in my life through the the belly

1036
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: of the devil and the belly of the beast. I

1037
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: always felt her walking with me, So I was I

1038
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: never was a fearful kid, like I was never even

1039
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: when I was moving around and I moved it I

1040
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: was alone, but I always felt that with me, So

1041
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: I never was like scared of anything.

1042
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: Never scared.

1043
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: But the fact that you're acknowledging like walking through the

1044
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: belly of the devil, it's gonna make me wonder.

1045
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: The belly of the beast.

1046
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, yeah, the belly of the beast. And now

1047
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: I have to ask, like, can you share an experience

1048
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: of what a belly of the beast walking through that is? Like,

1049
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: can you give me an exact, actual example of like

1050
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: the hardest time.

1051
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: I would say this, when you are a person that

1052
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: goes against the grain and you think for yourself and

1053
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: you don't allow the energies around you to consume you

1054
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: and your soul, then you have to face certain challenges.

1055
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to say exactly what because it's

1056
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: so many different, but it's really like when things are

1057
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 3: trying to condense your light through pulling access from you,

1058
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: or taking away your voice, blackballing you, or like putting

1059
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: you in a position where it's so much harder for

1060
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 3: you to get to the next step or you push

1061
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: through anyway. Yeah, but you still also.

1062
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: Keep your composure, your integrity, keep your your your life.

1063
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 3: You know, there were times where it got really dark

1064
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: for me, you know, after having huge success in stepping

1065
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: away from music because of what I was going through personally,

1066
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: you know, and when I moved back to Boston at

1067
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 3: eighteen years old, you know, when I was able to

1068
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: have like be an adult and move around on my own.

1069
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: I left Jersey and went back and this left and

1070
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: how how long were you in Baltimore for like four years?

1071
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: And this is when you're in a hiatus or the

1072
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: peace of your career.

1073
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: Let Me Love You came out in two thousands when

1074
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 3: I was like eighteen years old, So it was like

1075
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: right after that type of energy. But at the time,

1076
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: it was so much going on. There's so many people

1077
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: grabbing and pulling it. It was like and I was

1078
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: having issues with the deal I was. It was like

1079
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: a lot, and I just left and went back to Baltimore.

1080
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: And so when I went back to Baltimore, there's a

1081
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: whole other level of life to face because now you're

1082
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 3: you're not in my mind, I'm still here, yeah, but

1083
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: everybody else's mind I'm Mario. So I had to face

1084
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 3: a lot of my own demons. I got to really

1085
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: see who I was, meaning all the things that I escaped,

1086
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: but that was still there, lingering.

1087
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: When I moved back home. It was looking at like this, Can.

1088
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: You give me an actual example, like Mario.

1089
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: Like like where I'm from, But there's a lot of hope.

1090
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 3: It's taken out of life for a lot of people.

1091
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: You know, people wake up hopeless every day. You know

1092
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, It's fair even if you live in

1093
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 3: a nice part of.

1094
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: Baltimore, or like I had a playhouse downtown, like.

1095
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: You five minutes away from things on every block. You

1096
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, You five minutes away from getting

1097
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 3: ribbed or shot or whatever. And I just never know.

1098
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: Because I was from there, I never looked at it

1099
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: like that, like I just was used to that. But

1100
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: I was me living in those spaces, and so I

1101
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: had a lot of energy coming from me from every

1102
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: different angle.

1103
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: While I would go and do a show, fans this.

1104
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: And this and that, I'm going back to Baltimore and

1105
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: so I'm living I saw myself kind of like at

1106
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: eighteen years old, getting into things that Mario shouldn't be

1107
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: getting into, you know what I'm saying, but nobody knows,

1108
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: like what just like dealing with the wrong people, you

1109
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, and just like really allow of

1110
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: certain energies to be around me that that I was

1111
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: comfortable with, but that wasn't healthy for me. And so

1112
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 3: I started my energie shows. My passion for music started

1113
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: doing the like you know, even though I was still

1114
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: putting out music, I wasn't as like it was like

1115
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: autopilot for me. It was like I'm doing this because

1116
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: of the job, not because I love it.

1117
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I was curious to see

1118
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: if you ended up being like, for lack of a

1119
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: better word, like two personalities because you have this superstardom

1120
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: and then you have Mario that's coming from Baltimore that's

1121
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: dealing with like say family issues or you know, personal

1122
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: definitely trying to deal with that.

1123
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 2: I would say one hundred percent, one hundred percent right.

1124
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: And are you writing music at the time, like throughout

1125
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: your car or you just singing or not just singing,

1126
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: but like are you because it's to me, it sounds

1127
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: like when you say you went numb, Like, are is

1128
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: there an outlet for you to express your feelings?

1129
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: Because I was in a major label system and it

1130
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: was more just about fighting that next hit.

1131
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 2: I didn't have a voice really, and so it was like.

1132
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: Any record it I was writing, whatever I was doing

1133
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: that was making me feel it was always like, ah,

1134
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: that's not it okay, and then oh, go work with

1135
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: this writer.

1136
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: It's just like it made me start hating the industry.

1137
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: I kind of like, I was like, it's actually kind

1138
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: of cool to hear you say that, only because you

1139
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: can actually see like your environment still peeking through. Even

1140
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: though like even.

1141
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: Just like I was like Bottimore, just like I was

1142
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: like this like R and B pop kid to everybody,

1143
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 3: but my real life it was like.

1144
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: Like you're like streets.

1145
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: It was like I was seeing so much crazy shit

1146
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: and it's like but I never really talked about it.

1147
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: I just knew I should because when I first got signed,

1148
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: it's like I got signed by like like the biggest

1149
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: execs to ever live, and so like I learned through

1150
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: artist development how to be perfect, yeah, how to say

1151
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: the right shit interviews, how to be I never really

1152
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: talked about my real life, No one never really knew

1153
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: my real life, you know what I'm saying.

1154
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: So I know as a fan, and you literally look

1155
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: like the perfect cookie cutter, like you know, like you

1156
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: came from this little Cosby household and this.

1157
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: And the and it's crazy because it's like the soul

1158
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: in my voice told a different story. Yeah, but my

1159
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 3: image was like and it was like when I started

1160
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: to want to be more memes, like, it was always

1161
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: like no, no, And so I just stopped.

1162
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 2: I just stopped.

1163
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: At a certain point, I just I stopped. I just

1164
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 3: wanted to live life and be away from everything. And

1165
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: so that's when I'm I moved to Bottomore and that

1166
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: probably the stopping part probably happened between like the ages

1167
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: like twenty three and twenty seven. So I moved to

1168
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: LA and I started a whole other spiritual journey. I

1169
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: went through something that in Baltimore. I went to it

1170
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: through a situation with my mom and it was it

1171
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 3: came out news but it was obviously it was fixed

1172
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff, like.

1173
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: And after that, I was like, I'm not letting, I'm not.

1174
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: It was like I would come home and like at

1175
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: the time she had a spot and spot on the

1176
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: spot and I would go over.

1177
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: There sometimes and then be like random niggas and I

1178
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: was like she being in the bathroom doing what she do,

1179
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.

1180
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: It got to the point where I started becoming her

1181
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: protector and I was put my life in danger.

1182
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: And it's a lot.

1183
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: It was just it was a lot of things. It

1184
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: was the people I was saying, it was a lot,

1185
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 3: and I just saw I won't say the devil because

1186
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: I don't believe in that. I believe in causing effect,

1187
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: and I believe in the proximity and circumstances. But these

1188
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: circumstances were causing the frequencies that I was attracting to

1189
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: get closer and closer and closer to the point where

1190
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: I found myself in situations that I couldn't get out

1191
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 3: of and I was like, I got to get out

1192
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: of here or else I'm not going.

1193
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: To make it. I can't. I had to leave Baltimore. Yeah,

1194
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: But it was everything. Everything.

1195
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: It was my comfort zone because it's what I knew

1196
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 3: is where I felt comfortable, and.

1197
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a place where you could

1198
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: kind of be yourself right without that.

1199
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: But it was also it also hurt me in my

1200
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: career at that time, because I wasn't moving around with

1201
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: other artists and my peers and doing certain days because.

1202
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: I just I just didn't. I felt I just felt

1203
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: that felt like it wasn't real. It wasn't for me.

1204
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: So how are you surviving financially?

1205
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: Though?

1206
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: Are you like living off?

1207
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 2: The money was good?

1208
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: Okay?

1209
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 3: Like I was doing shows, I was still you feel

1210
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: me like the money was good.

1211
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: So you decide to up and leave too, and you

1212
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: choose of all places, you choose l A. Yeah, okay,

1213
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: I have one in LA when I came.

1214
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, l A. The weather. No, it's not even that,

1215
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: It's like, it's about what you built for. I really

1216
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: believe that.

1217
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: It's like if you if you understand no better, nowhere

1218
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: in the world is safe from your r dements. You

1219
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: can go to Bali or go somewhere. You still got

1220
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: to face your ship, you can't.

1221
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: You know.

1222
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 3: And I think like places you go which just highlight

1223
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: things even more, yeah, and hwh like and make you

1224
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: become more of a alchemist in your own life. And

1225
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: for me, because I had practiced so much in Baltimore,

1226
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: moving to LA wasn't enoughing I'm moving to LA at

1227
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: twenty four, and I'm.

1228
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, bro, I'm good. I don't want no coke.

1229
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't do that type of show. I

1230
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 3: see this shit, giring got everything. I already seen this shit.

1231
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that fact. I might be able to make

1232
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: some money off here, Like, but I ain't go ahead,

1233
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: like you feel me?

1234
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: But I didn't go that, Yeah, like I ain't you

1235
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: feel me?

1236
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: So so now you're in LA. You're you're in LA.

1237
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: Are you signed to a label? You're doing independent? What

1238
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: are you doing?

1239
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: I'm still sign? No, I'm still signed at this time.

1240
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: I'm still sign.

1241
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: But I just wasn't actively going to the studio and

1242
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: I just was living my life doing whatever I wanted.

1243
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: I was on another jerny. I was on I was

1244
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: in a whole other space, you understand. Like I'm seeing

1245
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: a different side of life than anybody news.

1246
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm like all.

1247
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: The people that in my life. My I got friends

1248
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 3: coming in and out of jail. I'm feeling exited. I'm

1249
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 3: putting like it's like it's a lot going on, like

1250
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: other family rbers around me like it was. But I'm

1251
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 3: also seeing like the music side of things. So it's

1252
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: like I'm in the middle somewhere like who am I?

1253
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who are you?

1254
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think because you're on two different extremes, you

1255
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: have two completely different extremes of life kind of pulling

1256
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: at you right exactly so. But the one that looks

1257
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: good is telling you to kind of be fake.

1258
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: And then the one, that one that is beneficial for

1259
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: my finances and for maybe my opportunities in life, is

1260
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: telling me You're gonna have to you know, you have

1261
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: to to not be fakers there, but but be but

1262
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: sacrifice your your truth.

1263
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that, And I'm gonna be

1264
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: honest with you.

1265
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes your fucking truth is not pretty, yeah, And sometimes

1266
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: you gotta face your truth in.

1267
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: Order to get to your destiny and your higher self.

1268
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: And that's what I had. And so when I when

1269
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: I'm facing my truth, was also me not staying in

1270
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: a place where I felt like, though I'm comfortable hearing

1271
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: my family artists, it's taken from me. It's going to

1272
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: destroy me, it's going to kill me. Yeah, I had

1273
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: to leave. And so when I made that decision to leave,

1274
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: it was final. It was no like hesitance. It was

1275
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: like I'm out on this date. I'm leaving and So

1276
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: when I left, moved to La and you know, I

1277
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: had a new team and management and all that stuff,

1278
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: but I was still finding myself. I was still fighting

1279
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 3: min and I did like I did a couple of

1280
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: movies and then I started, I start, I became a mystic.

1281
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: So I started practicing, Like what's a mystic?

1282
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: So during that time.

1283
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: Of between fourteen and eighteen, I practiced Islam because it's

1284
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: the family move was Muslim. So I practiced Islam for

1285
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: four years, four and a half years, sooni, And after

1286
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 3: that I started studying just different religions. I grew up

1287
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: in a very Christian household, you know, Pentecostal was like,

1288
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: you know, all of that soul.

1289
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: But because I started seeing.

1290
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 3: So much, I wanted to understand why people chose trauma

1291
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: and why people chose to torture themselves, you know, because

1292
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: that's what I saw growing up, Like why why?

1293
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: And what is the other side look like? What does

1294
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: death look like? What is death? What is the devil?

1295
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: What is what is evil? What's like? What's what is

1296
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: this ship?

1297
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1298
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I started diving in.

1299
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 3: I would go to this I would go to this

1300
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: library called the melly Phall Philosophical Research Center.

1301
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: And he had all types of book Melly P. Hall

1302
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: it was.

1303
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: He was a he was amazing, but he was also

1304
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: a really good show and someone who shared a lot

1305
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: of knowledge before he died on all types of things

1306
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: in life.

1307
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not one of those people who

1308
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: are big.

1309
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: Onto cult, but I do study the knowledge and study

1310
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: things to understand where it had come from. A lot

1311
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: of our a lot of these calls come from ancient

1312
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: Egypt and all these other places that were way before

1313
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: the relations that were created to control humanity or created right.

1314
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 3: So in understanding that, I became a mystic right like

1315
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 3: the likes of Prince and so we study everything to

1316
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: understand that it's all one right.

1317
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: So once I did that, it just.

1318
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: Gave me a certain level of liberation and freedom that

1319
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: I never felt in my life because I had something

1320
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 3: that I understood why humans were imperfect, and I understood

1321
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: why the journey is yours to take and why your

1322
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 3: decisions and the proximity to your three sixty is so

1323
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: important to what's going to happen in your life immediately

1324
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 3: based upon also the decisions you make. And so when

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Speaker 3: I started practicing these things and then also taking detoxes

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01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: and like really practicing alchemy within myself. It immediately changed

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Speaker 3: my mindset and I was able to start being happier, right,

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 3: And I used to be very miserable and depressed and

1329
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: I didn't understand a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: Can you just give me a definition of alchemy? I'm sorry,

1331
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: said it like three times online.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I don't.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, alchemy is a practice of putting different resources.

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01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: You can use alchemy in anything. Everything is alchomy. Food

1335
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 3: is alchemy because you're taking different minerals and i'm sorry,

1336
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: different ingredients and putting together to create something cause and effect.

1337
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: So alchemy is causing effect of movement and physics and

1338
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Speaker 3: all these different things into one.

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Speaker 2: Right, and then we are alchemy. Right.

1340
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Speaker 3: The relationships is alchemy, Like how does the alchemy of

1341
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 3: your relationship work? You can also change it at any moment,

1342
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 3: So it is your will of intention that creates the

1343
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 3: actual outcome, right, based upon a course of decisions and actions, search,

1344
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 3: so forth, and so on.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like whenever I see someone I guess

1346
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: seek truth, I have to wonder, like there had to

1347
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: have been some some for lack of better word tipping point.

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01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: That's not the words a lot of points that I

1349
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: there was something that had you literally take a deep

1350
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: dive though there had to been something that it was

1351
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: just like a culmination, like.

1352
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: A combination of everything.

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Speaker 3: And I mean all of this happened before my mom

1354
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 3: even passed, Like I became an alcoeme a mystic way

1355
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 3: before my mom passed. But like I would say, seeing

1356
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Speaker 3: her on her deathbed and having an overdose, you know

1357
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. When I was seventeen years old, I

1358
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 3: was in Europe performance away and I came back to

1359
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 3: this and they asked me.

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Speaker 2: To do I want to pull the plug? And I

1361
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: told her and she was in a vestable for two months. Wow.

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 3: Seeing my grandmother pass away, seeing one of my friends

1363
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: get killed, seeing other friends get life in jail for

1364
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 3: killing people, like just so many things that being in

1365
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 3: the music industry and all of the ups and downs

1366
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 3: of it, and like understanding all of that, Like all

1367
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 3: of these things made me dive deeper and to also

1368
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 3: get to know different types of people.

1369
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: When I moved to LA, I met a lot of.

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01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: Different people, like people in the industry. I knew people

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01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: with the spiritual communities. I knew people that were healers,

1372
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 3: I knew people that work. There's a melting pot out here,

1373
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: you know, how it is, right, And I think this

1374
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 3: is a space because of where it lays. You know,

1375
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: it's also a testing ground. It's a space where both

1376
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 3: light and dark meets and you will find what you

1377
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 3: need to work on and work through, you know, here

1378
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, because there's a lot of

1379
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: open It's a lot of open minds here, and sometimes

1380
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 3: open minds don't have limits, and so you can literally.

1381
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: Dive into whatever frequency you want to dive into.

1382
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: So now with your career, the way, where where can

1383
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: we Where are you taking us?

1384
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: Real man? That's that's where are you taking us? Jude?

1385
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that if you're doing press and

1386
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: you're doing you're definitely taking us something.

1387
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm really just trying to tap people into

1388
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 3: my frequency, like like you know, I don't like doing

1389
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 3: interviews within just anybody, you know, Yeah, you know, But

1390
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: I would say in my in my personal I'll say

1391
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: that my life is like multi dimensional, most of all

1392
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 3: lives are. But I'm saying speaking for myself, and so

1393
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 3: now where I'm taking myself.

1394
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: Is I've been focusing more on business.

1395
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: I've been focusing more on, uh, being more social in

1396
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 3: my business relationships and like pulling things together and just

1397
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: being a boss and also being a creative but mixing

1398
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: those two together and finding the stride like like you know,

1399
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: long distance runners, like finding a marathon where you're like

1400
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 3: in a stride and things are going in.

1401
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: The direction of your will intentions.

1402
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: So that's what I've been focusing on in that part

1403
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: of my life, bringing the right you know, people together,

1404
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: reaching out, working with more of my peers, and just

1405
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 3: like opening up more in that way.

1406
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 2: Because for a minute, I.

1407
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 3: Was just like I'm just doing everything in all hours

1408
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: is but it's like nah, Like it's a blessing to

1409
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 3: be able to work with other artists and do other things.

1410
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: So like in that space where I feel like God

1411
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: and Source wants me to go is really international affairs

1412
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 3: that have to do with and working on a lot

1413
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: of great then with the advancement of our community and

1414
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 3: investment of us, but are really high levels. And I'm

1415
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 3: a very creative person. I'm a generator, so I like

1416
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: to generate ideas and actually see them manifests. So we

1417
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 3: talk about museums, we talk about hotels, we talk about schools,

1418
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: we talk about and all these different things.

1419
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: You know that I'm working with a great group of.

1420
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 3: People in Ghana and the Middle East, and you know,

1421
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 3: all these things are gonna help where I'm from.

1422
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: You know, as you know, we live in America.

1423
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 3: So this system here is is it's kind of stuck

1424
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: because we've already it could get better. However, there's just

1425
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: there's just there's so many systems that would have to

1426
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: be reset. We don't know exactly how it's want to

1427
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: be reset, but I do think it is going to

1428
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: be reset. But I just want to be in front

1429
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 3: of it. And so it's like on a spiritual level,

1430
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: I've been told to put certain things in place. So

1431
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: that's where I'm going and it'll show. I'm gonna share

1432
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: a lot about what I'm doing. But musically, that's a

1433
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 3: passion of mine. I'll always do music, But my real

1434
01:07:49,120 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 3: passion is, i would say biospiritual studies and spirit psychology.

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm not a passions.

1436
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm super interested.

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01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm dimin as a spaces to find out

1438
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: how to kind of merge those into like music and

1439
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 3: other experiences. That's where I'm and that I mean, I

1440
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 3: think that a lot of people are reading more or

1441
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: listen to podcasts more and like just really trying to

1442
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 3: understand their purpose more.

1443
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: And by me living my previous and.

1444
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 3: Also share my story more, I feel like it's gonna

1445
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 3: do what it needs to do if guy's gonna use me.

1446
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: However, I feel like, yeah, I kind of used to

1447
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: have the when I for me, I feel like I

1448
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: kind of am a little different when it comes to

1449
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: like I'm an entrepreneur by by nature, but I used

1450
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: to always be the type that like to make other

1451
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: field people feel comfortable. I put my light under the table,

1452
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: and I remember even in scripture they say, like, you know,

1453
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: put your light on top of the table. By you

1454
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: doing that, you let other people and to be more

1455
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: comfortable to let their life shine.

1456
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: What do you feel like light is? My darkness is not?

1457
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: No, that was real slick, That was like no.

1458
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: Where light is like light is because it's like okay,

1459
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: well you say push everything.

1460
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes I feel like light is a

1461
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 3: combination of everything because.

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 2: It's like in order for you to be the light,

1463
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: you also have to be honest. You have to be

1464
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 2: true to yourself. Right, So.

1465
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: You don't always choose your experiences in life. You don't

1466
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 3: choose Sometimes they say, oh, you choose your prayers. But

1467
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 3: even with that being said, you still have to go

1468
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 3: through the actual maze of healing and of going through

1469
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: the drama and then healing whatever it is. So that darkness,

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 3: as you would call it, is really just contrast. It

1471
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 3: might pain, yeah, it's contrast, right, And so all of

1472
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,879
Speaker 3: it kind of like, I'm not saying.

1473
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: That there'sn't a difference between light and dark.

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,480
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that it's kind of it's a combination

1475
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 3: of both. And when you show up in your truth

1476
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 3: without judgment, it then feels so much like love, because

1477
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 3: non judgment towards yourself is love, right, And then that

1478
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 3: in itself feels like light because it feels like welcoming.

1479
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 3: It feels like the way yeah life feels like the way.

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01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I agree.

1481
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: I will say I mean we'll cut and probably have

1482
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: to talk off book camera, but I will say this,

1483
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting old. I'm getting older, and I'm

1484
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: starting to discover that finding your truth has got to

1485
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: be one of the hardest things you can do. And

1486
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: I say that because sometimes we believe our truths is

1487
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,440
Speaker 1: a some of our actions, and I believe that sometimes

1488
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: some of your actions can be just a autopilot response

1489
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: from our previous experiences.

1490
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: So like you if you.

1491
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: Oh you got it, Okay, I don't need know like

1492
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: Rick's but yeah, that's how I honestly feel like the

1493
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: more I get older, the more I'm like, what is

1494
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: my truth truth? You know, because I'm a wild ball,

1495
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: like a wild card. But at the same time, it's

1496
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: like like when I look at other people, I'm like,

1497
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: is that who you are?

1498
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 2: Or is that just some of your experiences?

1499
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: Like, you know, like real conversations and lo, I love

1500
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: that because I'm all for this. Yeah, I love these

1501
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:20,480
Speaker 1: types of conversations.

1502
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: I never to I never get to have these conversations.

1503
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 3: By the way, this is amazing because it's important, and

1504
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 3: I think it's really important for us to start having

1505
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of great people out here

1506
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 3: like having, you know, high level conversations like nineteen Keys

1507
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 3: who say, like, you know, and these it's the time

1508
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 3: for that, right, It's the time for evolution. It's the

1509
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: time for taking charge in your own life so that

1510
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 3: those people that are supposed to be on that journey

1511
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: with you. Y'all team up and y'all create, Like we're

1512
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 3: all pro creating, whether good or bad whatever, you know

1513
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 3: you we coexist in a world full of contrasts, and

1514
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 3: so at the end of the day, we got to

1515
01:11:58,479 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: find our tribe.

1516
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: That's the main goal. Music is great, entertainment is great.

1517
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: All of that shit is amazing. We love. It's magic, right,

1518
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: because we come with ideas.

1519
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 3: We're going to the studio. I was at a studio

1520
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: to six in the morning. We go in here, we

1521
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 3: create these ideas. Sometimes I create from spaces that are

1522
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: very conscious and aware, and sometimes I just create from

1523
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 3: whatever energy I'm feeling.

1524
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: But when I listen back, I can tell which wit

1525
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: is what?

1526
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And so that's don't don't fall in love

1527
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 3: with your creation so much so that you feel like

1528
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 3: that's who you are.

1529
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 2: That's a fragment of who you are saying. And so

1530
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: that's what I had to learn.

1531
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 3: Also, it's like, I don't have to be attached to

1532
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 3: what people feel like is rio, So if I stay attested,

1533
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna make me depressed because how can I

1534
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 3: have a grow like that? Right Exactly, So, I even

1535
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 3: in relationships or in friendships.

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01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: I try not to fall in love with my creations.

1537
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 3: I try to experience it, try to perform it at

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Speaker 3: the highest level. I can understand why it's there, and

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Speaker 3: then from there I can decide, Okay, does this go

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Speaker 3: with me?

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Speaker 2: And how far?

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're a twin twin Solis in that

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Speaker 1: like I I feel like one hundred percent agree with you.

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Speaker 1: So family, So we're gonna have to close out this episode.

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Speaker 1: Is there where can people like keep up with you?

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Speaker 1: Catch you? Are you on Instagram? So we could catch

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Speaker 1: you at it at.

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Speaker 3: Mario at Mario Worldwide and Mario world I don't know

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Speaker 3: when this is coming out, but I'm doing Drainville Festive.

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Speaker 2: You're in the North Carolina. If you're flying out for that,

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Speaker 2: you want to hit some good R and B. And

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Speaker 2: I'm being touring.

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Speaker 3: I got a new project coming out, a new single

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Speaker 3: out right now called You to Me features Todd Dolla.

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Speaker 2: Another summer smash coming out soon. And yeah, music is

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Speaker 2: a passion of mine. So I ain't never going nowhere,

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Speaker 2: but thank you for this.

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Speaker 1: This is thank you for coming on eating while broke,

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Speaker 1: I was again super hyped, like made sure my calendar

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Speaker 1: was eagant ready for you, so happy for you to

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Speaker 1: cook everybody. You guys can check out Mario's dish in

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Speaker 1: side our cookbook Eating While Broke. It will probably be

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Speaker 1: our only dessert for the entire cookbook, So peace out, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Peace for more Eating while Broke from iHeartRadio and The

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