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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. I'm strong

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Speaker 1: and Gatty and now he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: In a newly released arrest report, Tiger Woods told deputies

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Speaker 2: he was looking at his phone and changing the radio

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Speaker 2: and didn't see a truck slowing down ahead before clipping

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Speaker 2: a trailer and flipping his suv. According to the report,

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Speaker 2: police found two white pills in Woods's pocket, later identified

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Speaker 2: as hydro codone, a powerful painkiller. Woods told investigators he

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Speaker 2: takes a few prescription medications and had taken them earlier

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Speaker 2: that morning, but it's unclear if hydro codone is among them.

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Speaker 2: He was sweating profusely, his movements were lethargic and slow,

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Speaker 2: and his pupils were extremely dilated.

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Speaker 1: I spent about half my life sweating profusely and lethargic.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, if being sweating lethargic is a crime, will

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Speaker 3: I guess take me to jail.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I thought this was America. I realized he was

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Speaker 1: by definition ft up at the time, but to tell

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Speaker 1: the cops, yeah, I was looking at my phone and

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Speaker 3: That was a distraction from the fact that he was

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Speaker 3: pilled up. He wasn't pilled up, he was distracted. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: my pad, give me a ticket. Hey, you know what

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Speaker 3: just occurred to me? And I'm a little slow witted.

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Speaker 3: What sort of situation are you in? If you've got

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Speaker 3: a couple of hydro codone right clicking around in your pocket.

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Speaker 1: You pop them so regularly you keep them in your pocket. Right.

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Speaker 3: Occasionally I'll throw a couple of altoids in my pocket

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Speaker 3: because I'll know I want them. But I mean, you

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Speaker 3: don't like grab him out of the bottle when you

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Speaker 3: need them or when you go home, and no, you're

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Speaker 3: popping them like pez.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know I've known some painkiller addicts. For instance,

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Speaker 1: you end up in a situation where you have to

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Speaker 1: take pain pills ever again in your life. You have

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Speaker 1: to have somebody else have the bottle, like a neighbor

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Speaker 1: or you know, somebody closer to you or whatever you

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Speaker 1: can trust, and then they give them to you on

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Speaker 1: the schedule that there's agreed upon with the doctor. Blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. Tiger's clearly not doing that. As a guy

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Speaker 1: many years ago. He's clearly just freelancing it himself, walking

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Speaker 1: around with him in his pocket, which ain't a good

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Speaker 1: way to do it. You know a lot more about

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Speaker 3: What role does his being an ego maniac play in

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Speaker 1: Probably doesn't help, but it's pretty common addict behavior. I

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Speaker 1: mean his it might have been for the cops to

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Speaker 1: say I was fiddling with my radio and staring at

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Speaker 1: my phone, but it also might have just been for

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Speaker 1: his mind to not have to say to himself, I'm

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Speaker 1: so messed up. I wrecked my car again. I wrecked

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Speaker 1: my car because I was staring at my phone. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's continuing to dodge the fact that he's an addict.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and or I think anybody who's ever altered

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Speaker 3: their consciousness I don't approve, but perhaps you do it

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Speaker 3: occasionally a class of wine, that sort.

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Speaker 1: Of thing.

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Speaker 3: That sometimes you can let your attention wander longer away

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Speaker 3: you're sober. So I can picture a guy pilled up

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Speaker 1: Longer than you ever. Oh yeah, So it's kind of both. Sure,

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Speaker 1: that's funny. I saw Louis c k bit on YouTube

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Speaker 1: That's where Tiger was. Again, his statement that he put

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Speaker 1: out yesterday, no mention of thank god I didn't hurt

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Speaker 1: So I came across this. I love reading about learning

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Speaker 1: researchers have athmatically proven the chat GPT's built in sycophancy

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Speaker 1: creates a phenomenon phenomenon they call delusional spiraling. Now we've

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Speaker 1: all experienced the sicko fancy of various chatbots where they're like,

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Speaker 1: good job, buddy, or ah, very smart of you to

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Speaker 1: realize that, or great question because you're so tuned into

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Speaker 1: sell me something? Are you trying to get bring me

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Speaker 1: up for your machine? Are you trying to have sex

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Speaker 1: with me? What is happening here? You ask it something?

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Speaker 1: This is what MIT figured out. You ask it something,

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Speaker 1: It agrees, You ask again, it agrees even harder, until

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Speaker 1: and you can't tell that it's happening. In some cases,

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Speaker 1: the model is literally trained on human feedback that rewards agreement.

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Speaker 1: Here's an example that they've got real world fallout includes

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Speaker 1: one man who spent three hundred hours convinced he had

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Speaker 1: SF psychiatry so hospitalize twelve patients for chap bot linked

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Speaker 1: psychosis in a single year because it will you can

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Speaker 1: feed it certain things, and if it if you say

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Speaker 1: you'd really be happy to hear agreement here, it'll agree

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Speaker 1: the further you go along. Oh, it's like psycho fancy

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Speaker 1: and codependence. Yeah, so battered computer syndrome. Like I being

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Speaker 1: vague about this because I have to. I had an

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Speaker 1: email that I was going to send on a very

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Speaker 1: very complicated emotional topic, and I ran it by through

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Speaker 1: all for of the chatbots that I use, Gemini, Anthropic, Quaud, Chat, GPT,

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Speaker 1: and Grock, and three of them said that is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: You should send that. And Claude said, I think that's

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Speaker 1: have caught it. And I've always wondered about that why

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Speaker 1: claud response and response and fed it to the other three.

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Speaker 1: I said to Gemini, which is goold, and said so

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Speaker 1: this is what Claude said. It disagrees with you completely,

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Speaker 1: And of course Gemini and Grock and chat JBT all said, wow,

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Speaker 1: up with some constructive criticism that for some reason it

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Speaker 3: But the fact, I mean, there are a couple of

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Speaker 3: really interesting aspects of this, but the fact that the

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Speaker 1: You're right, we are totally wrong and stupid. Way to

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Speaker 1: go pointing out how stupid we are. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? I know? Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I know you have to be vague. Was it was

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Speaker 1: Claude's issue one of specific wording or possible effects of

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Speaker 1: and here's a little more from that. The mechanism behind, specifically.

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Speaker 3: The words I'll burn your house down are probably ill

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Speaker 3: placed and should not be used.

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Speaker 1: The mechanism behind this is worth understanding. Precisely. Large language

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Speaker 1: human's rate responses, and the model learns to produce outputs

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Speaker 1: that humans rate highly. Humans consistently rate agreeable, validating responses

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Speaker 1: higher than challenging ones. Well, I'll read on and then

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Speaker 1: I'll comment, So the model gets progressively better in agreement

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Speaker 1: as a core behavior. It is not a bug that

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Speaker 1: human approval at scale. The uncomfortable extension of this. The

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Speaker 1: same dynamic exists in human relationships in the real world.

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Speaker 1: Social media algorithms and any system trained on popularity signals

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Speaker 1: AI sycopancy is now is not a new psychological trap.

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Speaker 1: It's the oldest one running on a new hardware that

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Speaker 1: were just built this way. The question worth sitting with

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Speaker 1: to what you wanted to hear, and luckily, at least

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Speaker 1: in this case, I was not sure enough that I

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Speaker 3: Wow, I find myself ripping through my memory banks for

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Speaker 3: my conversation with Claude about when my poor old sick

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Speaker 1: But now you're making me wonderway to the man, and

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Speaker 1: very well could have been the correct thing. But we're

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Speaker 1: learning here, and I learned that sometimes it's just agreeing

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Speaker 3: I find so loathsome about affirmative action. Programs, is that

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Speaker 1: And that's whether there or was it an affirmative action thing?

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Speaker 3: So you promote bad people and you undermine good people.

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Speaker 1: Well being a complete yes man, if you say yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether you've actually thought it through or

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Speaker 1: you're saying yes because you're a yes man. Yeah. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I values both or devalues both. I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we should all go out of our way to try

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Speaker 1: My neighbor really deserves a house burning. What do you?

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Speaker 1: And Grok says something you know? Yeah, good, good idea.

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Speaker 3: Isaac Newton Ferris Junior's act. He's a nephew of doctor

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Speaker 3: King but he wrote a great piece You're not protesting

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Speaker 3: like doctor King and why it matters really insightful.

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Speaker 1: Want to share some of that with you. Good stuff

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Speaker 1: all on the way. Stay here. One little thing i'd

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Speaker 1: just like to throw it. If you're using any of

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Speaker 5: Why because the party got unanchored, every one of our

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Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter protests provoked property destruction. On January sixth,

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Speaker 3: Protesters never the protest targets endured. Every consequence of their

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Speaker 3: In distinction, her message was not if I can't sit

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Speaker 3: Right, And the lunch counter college kids in Greensboro, their

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Speaker 1: it, it doesn't sound that convincing. But clearly, by the Me

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Speaker 1: Too movement standards, and you believe in that whole you're

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Speaker 1: in a position of power and they're not. He violated

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Speaker 1: that all day long, day after day, year after year.

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Speaker 1: So if you're going to hold him presidentism. But if

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Speaker 1: you're going to hold him to that standard, he could

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Speaker 1: be erased.

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Speaker 3: But getting back to the threat of the thing, and

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Speaker 3: I'll end with this. Most importantly, protest organizers must insist

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Speaker 3: on nonviolent protesting and explain its meeting is meaning. As

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Speaker 3: doctor King wrote in his first books Tried Toward Freedom,

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Speaker 3: nonviolence is quote a courageous confrontation of evil by.

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Speaker 1: The power of love. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Or it's smashing in dice vehicles with your vehicle than

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Speaker 3: being astounded when somebody shoots you. And no, I'm not

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Speaker 3: claiming that one dopey lesbian lady smashed in anybody. Anyway, Eh,

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Speaker 3: trouble times.

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Speaker 1: I like it when you end segments like that. Nah,

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Speaker 1: troubled times. Anyway, I gotta end with something. You gotta

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Speaker 1: have an exclamation point or a period or something. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this last night show, Hey

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Speaker 1: Otani pitched for the first time this year for the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers last night. Looked like a Cy Young Award winner

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Speaker 1: as the best hitter in baseball. That it's weird. And

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Speaker 1: then he drew a couple of intentional walks because he's

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Speaker 1: that fear to hit her. Unbelievable that any one guy

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Speaker 1: could be that. I might start wearing my Dodgers hat.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I just give him. I bought it at Dodger

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Speaker 1: Stadium last year. Oh.

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Speaker 3: We were talking yesterday about how baseball is seems to

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Speaker 3: be on the upswing, better attendance for excitement, and I

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Speaker 3: was thinking it might have something to do with the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers them being a focal point. Yeah, whether they're positive

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Speaker 3: or negative or just conversation piece.

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Speaker 1: I said a couple of weeks ago. My experience in

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Speaker 1: life as a sports fan is people kind of like dynasties,

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Speaker 1: even though they always construct leads to try to not

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Speaker 1: have dynasties. People like they like rooting for the New

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Speaker 1: Dynasty and then they like hating on the Dynasty. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, with all due respect to the parody thing

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Speaker 3: and small market teams who never have a chance and

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Speaker 3: that sucks for their fans, what's the one unforgivable sin

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Speaker 3: in entertainment and sports?

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Speaker 1: Is entertainment being boring? Yeah? Do you get more eyeballs

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Speaker 1: if it's Lakers Celtics every year, or or if you

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Speaker 1: get more parody and you get to you know, the

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Speaker 1: Pacers and the trailblazers. Pay Yeah, I mean seems pretty obvious.

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Speaker 1: Any who, what was the thing you ended it with?

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Speaker 1: Troubled du trouble times. We'll find to throw the sign

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Speaker 1: yes wolf finished strong. Next time. This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a terrible pun.

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Speaker 6: But I really mean the word because it's so goofy

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Speaker 6: that here he is. That's at Chef Mickey's. And he

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Speaker 6: made it seem to us like he was in Florida anyway. Well,

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Speaker 6: he was in South Florida and he flew to Orlando.

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Speaker 6: Made it seem like you just he showed up and

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Speaker 6: then laughed. He was there all weekend, and he was

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Speaker 6: at he was on Space Mountain and he was at

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Speaker 6: Chef Mickey's. They're eating brunch, and then he went, you know,

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Speaker 6: then he's standing aroud on fantasy Land with a bubble.

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Speaker 1: Wand who is it Chef Mickey's. What the what?

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Speaker 3: That's Harvey Levin of TMZ coming on Lindsey Graham's weekend

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Speaker 3: at Disney.

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Speaker 1: He was in fantasy Land with a bubble wond was

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Speaker 1: he with people or was he by himself? Actually was

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Speaker 1: a young gentleman.

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Speaker 3: He was with a not very young gentleman, which reminds me, Michael,

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Speaker 3: can you grab yesterday's number twelve? This is a I

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Speaker 3: think this is a different reporter yelling at Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 3: Will let's take a second, or hell.

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Speaker 6: Lindsey, why don't you just admit that you're gay and

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Speaker 6: then people won't blackmail you anymore?

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Speaker 1: Who's kept walking? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But the point of running that Harvey Levin tape was,

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Speaker 3: and this is so smart and so obvious.

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Speaker 1: What's our real national pastime now? Politics? So TMZ is

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Speaker 1: going to start covering politicians? Right? I heard that they're

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Speaker 1: going to cover politicians. You're right, You're right. Nobody cares

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Speaker 1: about movie stars anymore. So yeah, your TMZ's got to

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Speaker 1: be about politicians exactly. Wow.

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Speaker 3: And they're kicking it off with an effort to shame

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Speaker 3: members of Congress into ending their recess early so they

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Speaker 3: can get back and fund the Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 1: Wow. This is Harvey Levin is a really, really smart guy.

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Speaker 1: This is such a good idea because all your young

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Speaker 1: starlets and dudes nobody cares about. Here's a picture of

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Speaker 1: them coming out of the gym anymore like they used to.

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Speaker 1: You got a picture of Marjorie Taylor green coming out

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Speaker 1: of the gym. Yeah, that gets more attention. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the celebrities are and this is a horrible development for

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Speaker 1: our country. Our politicians are our celebrities. Now, let's see.

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Speaker 3: Staffers whose bosses end up splashed across the infamous website

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Speaker 3: are likely feeling less stoked about the spottings than they quoted.

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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham seen by a TMZ tipster at Disney World

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Speaker 3: over the weekend. Rep Robert Garcia of California caught on

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Speaker 3: a camera at Las Vegas Casino, and of course garcias

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Speaker 3: said he.

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Speaker 1: Was visiting his father who lives in Las Vegas. Blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah.

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Speaker 3: Ted Cruz at an airport, Jared Moscowitz at his son's basketball.

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Speaker 1: This is a terrible development, but obviously true. Yeah, are

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Speaker 1: you ready for breaking Fleetwood? Macnews? Go ahead? Twenty? Nobody

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Speaker 1: had an answer prepared for that question. You weren't ready

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Speaker 1: for that question, were you? Are you ready for breaking

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Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac News? This isn't worth worth the donkey there, Michael, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've been ready all my life. Lindsey Buckingham was attacked

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Speaker 1: by a stalker in Santa Monica this morning.

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Speaker 3: Wow, way to attack ancient and spectacularly talented guitar players.

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Speaker 1: How old can you give me an age on Lindsay Graham.

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Speaker 1: He's got to be pushing eighty seventy nine, Lindsey Graham,

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Buckingham. Look, do not hire Lindsey Graham to play

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Speaker 1: guitar for your next gathering. He's a seventy six most eighty.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Oh, you can go your own way

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Speaker 1: with say, Lindsey Graham. That's but so he's not hurt

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. So this woman threw some sort

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Speaker 1: of substance at him, oh boy, like a liquid substance

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Speaker 1: at him, and ran off. The most interesting part of

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Speaker 1: it is Lindsey Graham said, I know that is oh boy,

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Speaker 1: So some ongoing stalker person that's been trying to hurt

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Speaker 1: him or get to him or sex him up or

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Speaker 1: something like that for years, or just befriend him or

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Speaker 1: love him up right, Because we've been aware of a

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Speaker 1: couple of stalker situations and they're generally ongoing eye rolling.

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Speaker 1: Hope it doesn't get dangerous weird, but oh my god,

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Speaker 1: she's here again. Situations. He's probably thinking, how the hell

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Speaker 1: did you know I was going to be here in

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica walking down the street after my coffee. You weirdo.

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Speaker 1: Don't you have something better to do? No, I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 1: I'm mentally ill. That was my breaking Lindsay Graham News Now,

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Buckingham. Why do I keep saying that? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that just shows you that Harvey Levin's right, We're so

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Speaker 1: obsessed soul. If you don't lay me down in the

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Speaker 1: tall grass and let me do my stuff? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I got my bubble Wand.

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Speaker 3: With all due respect to the witch lady into the

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Speaker 3: late Christine McPhee, I like Lindsay's songs better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now back from Lindsay Buckingham to Lindsay Graham. Why

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Speaker 1: did Lindsay Graham have a bubble Wand because the falling

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Speaker 1: out with Mick Fleetwood. Oh wait, I'm sorry, can't almost finish.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of music, Let's get ready final thoughts with Armstrong

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Speaker 5: and Getty.

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Speaker 1: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. Let's get

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Speaker 1: a final thought for everybody on the crew. Wouldn't that

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Speaker 1: be inclusive? Michaelangelow, our technical director, will lead the way.

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Speaker 4: Michael, I'm afraid to say it, but coming soon to

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Speaker 4: TLC reality TV shows with politicians.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Oh my Katie Green are Esteemed Newswoman.

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Speaker 4: As a final talk, Katie, I just loved how that

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Speaker 4: picture of Lindsay Graham with the bubble wand came out

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Speaker 4: and then he was like no and went on Twitter

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Speaker 4: and posted a picture of him shooting Clays shot.

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Speaker 1: Then I had to toughen himself up a little bit

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Speaker 1: tougher than the bubble wand at Fantasyland Jack of final

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Speaker 1: thought for us, I don't care at all whether or

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Speaker 1: not Lindsay Graham is a gay. But if he is,

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Speaker 1: why would he still be hiding him because he's in

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Speaker 1: South Carolina?

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Speaker 3: An elderly South Carolinian naval veteran is just too much

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Speaker 3: for him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why was he holding

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Speaker 1: a bubble wand at Disney.

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Speaker 3: Though he figures it's nobody's business and being in the

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Speaker 3: closet is a good way to get people to not

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Speaker 3: pay attention to his business.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: My final thought is I've never really collected anything because

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Speaker 3: I don't want the clutter and what's the point other

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Speaker 3: than records. But I find myself kind of becoming a

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Speaker 3: collector of antique bookends.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting, very narrow topic. Well, I got these.

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Speaker 3: New shelves that I've told you about, and I need

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Speaker 3: bookends for them. And I thought the whole vibe is

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Speaker 3: kind of old timey and traditional.

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Speaker 1: So I've been finding antique bookends and it's kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: It's as good as anything. There you go, arm Strong

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Speaker 1: in Getty, wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

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Speaker 3: My elephants arrived two days ago, and oh my god,

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Speaker 3: they're better than I expected.

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Speaker 1: So many people. Thanks a little time. Good Armstrong in

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Speaker 1: Giddy dot com. See you tomorrow. God bless America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Strong and Getty. I think it takes two to tango.

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Speaker 1: I think your Star Spangled all show good. So good,

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Speaker 1: let's go with it. Bang uh And according to JD power,

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Speaker 1: drivers are underwhelmed by gesture controls, where one can say,

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Speaker 1: increase the volume by rotating an imaginary knob in the air.

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Speaker 1: You're an imaginary knob. Wow. Armstrong and Getty