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Speaker 1: it with the beck dol Cast. Good evening, everyone, and

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Speaker 1: the stage, Caleta Jamie. Welcome, Yes, thank you. How are

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Speaker 1: you guys? Are you guys good? You're good. We are

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Speaker 1: celebrating our one year anniversary. So thanks for coming out

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Speaker 1: and celebrating with us. Has everybody heard? By round of applauses? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: I heard it before? Or did you just wander? Okay? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so by round of applause? Who has never listened to

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Speaker 1: an episode of the beckdel Cast? Oh and they're all

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Speaker 1: sitting in the front row. Good, so we can just

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Speaker 1: stare you. But actually you wouldn't understand this is a

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Speaker 1: reference to a past thing we've not Yeah, just a

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Speaker 1: few things. Probably going to mention Alfred Molina for no

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Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know what the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: into when you talk about the portrayal of women in movies?

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Speaker 1: We do it film by film. Every week we have

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Speaker 1: a new movie that we tear apart, and then our

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Speaker 1: fans are like, oh, thanks for ruining this movie for us,

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Speaker 1: and today will be no different and hearts will be

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Speaker 1: been doing it for a year now. I've had fifty

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Speaker 1: two individual different guests. They've all been great. If they

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Speaker 1: tell you who it's. And she made a test called

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Speaker 1: Preferably those characters have names. Yeah, we we prefer for

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Speaker 1: There's what if people like what if someone went back

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Speaker 1: only talking about Alfred Molina. Honestly, I think that Alfred

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Speaker 1: Just literally, Hi, Caitlin, shut up. Jamie passes done easy

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Speaker 1: last year on Our Love Actually episode, lots of hearts

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Speaker 1: were broken because that movie is garbage. It's a bad movie.

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Speaker 1: we're talking about die Hard? Has everybody round? Who has

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Speaker 1: and it's just the back of her head the entire time,

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00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: so it's like they don't. I just thought that was creepy.

419
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: And then in a lot of movies we've done, there's

420
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: like very intentional reveals of like and the twist is

421
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: she's gorgeous. Like there's that twist a lot. My My

422
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: favorite one that we've done is in JELI when Larry

423
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: Jeeley because that's his name, Larry gee Lee answers the door,

424
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, there's a woman here, who is it?

425
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: And then she turns around she says hi, and it's

426
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez and you're just like, oh, she's being a

427
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: flu But with with this shot, it's weird because there's

428
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: not a lot of intent because it seems like something's

429
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: going to be revealed. It's like, Oh, we're following this

430
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: attractive woman who's being harassed, and then she turns around

431
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: and she continues to be an attractive woman who's has

432
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: there's no reveal. I think maybe just the DP wasn't

433
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: very good in this movie, or just couldn't make that day.

434
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that was just a wig walking a floating wig.

435
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: But Bonnie Badelia couldn't make it. It's her real name.

436
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Let's move on, do your homework. Where is she? So

437
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: the next major plot point that happens within the subplot

438
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: of him being very insecure about her success, is that

439
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: John McClain and Holly have a conversation where here's just like,

440
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: you're going by your maiden name, what's all that about?

441
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: And she's like the Japanese company thing doesn't make sense,

442
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: don't worry, and he's like, well, you just did whatever

443
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: you wanted, no matter what it did to our marriage,

444
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: and she's like, you have this idea of our marriage

445
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: and blah blah. And I'm doing a great job recapturing

446
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: the magic of that scene. But kind of the subtext

447
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: is that basically thinks that she chose her career over him,

448
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: and he's very threatened by it and very resentful of it.

449
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: And he is basically there to be like, you should

450
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, quit your job and come back to

451
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: New York or I don't know coming back to New York.

452
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Does I'm fighting crime over this? And she's like, actually

453
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: Japan and he's like, oh fuck. And then it goes

454
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and then the movie starts right he

455
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: takes off his shoes, which becomes a major plot point

456
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: very much. Yes, I love when he cries, just so

457
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: many crazy he's like my feet. Um, if you've seen

458
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: I heard, which most of you have, Holly is not

459
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: on screen enough in the movie. There's like she's on

460
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: screen I think cumulatively for maybe fifteen minutes, and that's

461
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: being very genus. Yeah, but this argument between them is

462
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: interesting because it's it's hard to tell from the standpoint

463
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: of the movie whose side we're supposed to be on,

464
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: because it's clear that John is it like, in the

465
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: wrong in terms of like she is doing very well.

466
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: There's even the people who were actively harassing her are

467
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: saying she's great at her job, which is, uh, you know,

468
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: that's another thing, but there, but you know, like, she's

469
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: clearly very good at her job. I love how that

470
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: scene at the end is interrupted by her assistant who's like,

471
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: they need you to talk to the troops, and then

472
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: she says, sorry, John, the troops need me. She leaves,

473
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: where are the troops here on Christmas Eve? I don't

474
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: like by standards, I genuinely was not entirely sure. Are

475
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: we supposed to be like, oh, John's totally in the right,

476
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: and she's being such a shrewd by saying I want

477
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: to have a life, Or are we supposed to think, wow,

478
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: John's being a baby and he should put his shoes on.

479
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, kind of hard to say. I think you

480
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: could probably argue that the main demographic that this movie

481
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: would appeal to is like adult men slash teenage boy

482
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: liked boy. Yeah, you know, fifteen year old you know

483
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: what I mean? Horny boys, horny boys. There's some boobs,

484
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's there they're so they're

485
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: going to plug themselves into John McClean and being like,

486
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: oh he's cool, so they're probably gonna align with his

487
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: view and be like, oh, his wife's just being a

488
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: little but even though clearly like, let's be honest, what

489
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: do they get in New York for a cop salary? Like,

490
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: let's be honest. Where they're living, you know, I mean

491
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: they're in Queen's and like a two bedroom apartment, and

492
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: she clearly had the guest room, you know what I mean,

493
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: they're probab in a house in the valley, and she's

494
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: always look at the guests room. It's it's it's the room.

495
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, it's they're doing better. They had a

496
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: housekeeper come on and then and then also and then

497
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: are like yeah we've ma there's that part in that

498
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: scene where he says like, oh, something about Topoma and

499
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: she's like, um, Pomona. I was like, Oh, she's a

500
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: little kelly bitch. She's totally adapted. She's looked there for

501
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: two seconds exactly like you're gonna want to take fountain.

502
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: You're just like call down my good right, So yeah,

503
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: who side are we supposed to be on? Hard to say,

504
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I think probably most people watching this are like, oh,

505
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: John McClean the hero, my hero, he's great and I

506
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: But by the end of the movie, that subplot basically

507
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: resolves by him thinking he's going to die because he

508
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: has a foot wound because he got cut glass forgive me.

509
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: He's talking to his al pal and he's like, tell

510
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: my wife, I'm sorry that I was being a jerk

511
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: and I should have supported her more and been behind her.

512
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: It's a very long message, isn't It's no way he's

513
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: nailing He wait aute, what was it? He was? Give

514
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: me a second. I should have written it down. I mean,

515
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: there's no way. Just like I'm sorry, and that's it.

516
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: He's also working, so you see this like, you know,

517
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: John going to this character arc where he's like, oh,

518
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: I realized I was being a total asshole. And even

519
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: after that fight he has with Holly, he is like

520
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: all barefoot and he's in front of a mirror and

521
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, good job, John, real mature. So I

522
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: think he knows he's being kind of a dick, but

523
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: he's still is, you know, initiating a fight for no

524
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: reason because there's a moment where she's like, I've missed you.

525
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: He's like, well you didn't miss my name. He's like,

526
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: couldn't you, Like I don't know, say I miss you too. Also,

527
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: what's with this name thing that you're doing? Right right? Yeah,

528
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: there's that. That was a moment where I was just like,

529
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: like everyone's had an argument like that where it's just

530
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: like just take the wind, just like what are you doing? Yeah,

531
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. That was like one of the parts

532
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: of the movie that I didn't remember where he's like

533
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: constantly sort of berating himself either for making the masculine

534
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: choice or not making the masculine choice, where he like

535
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: brats himself for yelling at his wife for not keeping

536
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: his name because she am his property. And but then

537
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: at other points in the movie he like burrats himself,

538
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, in like Shakespearean monologue, which we're just like, well,

539
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: this is what the world is. Like he just yell

540
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: at yourself, but he like buriates himself for not acting

541
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: more violently and acting like in a more protective way.

542
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I I he was more complex

543
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: than I remembered him being. I think the whole movie

544
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: is actually more complex than I remember that you might

545
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: assume just on first glance, because I think this is

546
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: a movie that doesn't necessarily mistreat women. It certainly doesn't

547
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: know portray many women, really treat women, Yeah, it just does.

548
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. There's not women in the movie. So

549
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: it's not as though the women in the movie are

550
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: what few there are, are being mistreated by the narrative.

551
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: It's more a movie that just sort of glorifies hyper masculinity,

552
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: but then also doesn't because there are a bunch of

553
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: different types of toxic dudes who are very toxic in

554
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: the masculinity. Like we have to walk past the topless

555
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: girls in the on the wall the pictures like says

556
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: hide when then comes back and says hid work like

557
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: talks to the topless pictures. What is he like puts

558
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: his hand on it and he's like girls, It's like

559
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: what why does that happen? He kind of comes back

560
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: and it's like hey, babe, Like he like talks to it,

561
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: like he's having a relationship with it, and it's it's weird.

562
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: Call this movie complex though, Let's just go back. You

563
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: do well here, get ready for there is like that's

564
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: like one of those things that I love to picture them,

565
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: like male screenwriter in Israel, Like, that's fun. That was

566
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: a jerk off motion if you didn't know, Yeah, sorry,

567
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's an audio podcast. If you can tell

568
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: from my very saliva heavy gig, that was a jerk

569
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: off spot on spot on. He's like, I got him good,

570
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: but let me here here I come defending myself. All right.

571
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: I made a list of all the toxic bros in

572
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: the movie's Oh my god, wow we suck well. We

573
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: first of all, we have the businessman cokehead bros. We

574
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: have those, and those bros are pretty universally punished by

575
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: the world of this movie. Yeah, we're like we're coming

576
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: off the Reagan era. Everyone's like, actually, fuck these guys,

577
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: We're just gonna murder. So there's is it Ellis Harry

578
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: Ellis is the name of the character whatever he's hitting on.

579
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: He's the one hitting on Holly at the beginning, and

580
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: then comes in later he's like, actually I am a

581
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: bit of a negotiator and he's you know, Alan Ray

582
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: or whatever is really you know that there's some choed

583
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: out there right now with a T shirt that says that,

584
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, like just not to trigger any chide listeners. Us.

585
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: We have a ton If you're a chode and you're listening,

586
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: stop listening, but ahead or stop being a chod. We

587
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: need the listener. Okay, So the toxic bros in this movie, Yeah,

588
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: Harry Ellis who just high on cocaine the whole movie,

589
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: so broie that he thinks he can all smart this

590
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: group of like mercenary harass yea and then gets murdered

591
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: because of it. There's Dwayne t. Robinson, the deputy chief

592
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: bro who was just like he's the guy who he's

593
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: like the police chief who like won't listen to reason

594
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: because al pal is being all like hang on, like

595
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: don't send the men in, and he was like shut up.

596
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: He might just be a bartender, the guy with the

597
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: hair who's like don't Yeah, that applies to a lot

598
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: of different characters. So I'm not sure if the girl

599
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: who don't do that? Yeah, sure, I love that guy.

600
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: So they're saying there's Thornberg, who's the TV bro who

601
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't do anything for a story. And then there's all

602
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: the all the Feds are losers. Yeah, there's the terrorists bros.

603
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: And the biggest bro of them all, and they're literal bros.

604
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: Like some of them actually some of them are brothers. Yeah,

605
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: don't kill the bros. Bros get pissed. So the movie

606
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: makes a point to like show these like toxic dudes.

607
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: I mean, like they're bad, but this other one named

608
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: John McClain, he's good. It's yeah, it's very selective about

609
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: like this is the kind of hyper masculinity that we love,

610
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: but don't do business. That's stupid. It's weird. Yeah, but

611
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: that's why I say the movie is very complessed. Extremely.

612
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this scene where it's another

613
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: time where we see Holly be very competent. There's two

614
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: scenes where we see her doing her job, which is negotiating.

615
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: The first scene is when Alan Rickman is really overdoing

616
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: it and he's he's strolling through the audience. He's says

617
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: sixteen words. It takes fifty hours for him to do it,

618
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: but he's he's trying to figure out who Holly's bosses. Uh,

619
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: And she she touches him like, she takes his arm

620
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: as if to say, I'm negotiating. I don't say anything,

621
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: and then he does. He goes against her wishes and

622
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: it gets him killed. So that's the first instance we

623
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: see of Holly. You know, we're like, oh, she was

624
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: totally right to negotiate. She had the right instinct. She

625
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: had the right instinct. And then there's the second scene

626
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: with Holly and Hans Gruber where she likes the way

627
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: you said that just I was doing my best giving it. Uh.

628
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: But we see Holly and Hans Gruber talking and she

629
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: does her job, which is negotiate, where she says, hey,

630
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: there's a pregnant lady and she's tired, and Alan Rickman says, Okay,

631
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm listening, and if you don't want it to get messy,

632
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: you better start bringing us to the bathroom and groups

633
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: right right, He's like, thinking of that, I have to

634
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: be and let's make it nice, right, I was squatting

635
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: over a plant in this party. I'm talking right there,

636
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. Although it would have been very

637
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: exciting to see with someone pan a terrorist, definitely I

638
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: would have imagined, okay, there will be no question of

639
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: like this is a feminist text. If a pregnant woman

640
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: pissed on a terrorist, that would be yeah, that would

641
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: would I would get nice twisted the movie when like

642
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: all the ladies are ladies dropped trout when everyone just

643
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: started peeing. Remember the ters would fleet, they don't panic, fleet,

644
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: drop their guns, and the movie would be over. Remember

645
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: that sad They would just be like, Oh, that's the

646
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: movie where all the seven months pregnant women piss on terrorists.

647
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: I love that movie totally. Let's do that director's cut.

648
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: Surely that footage just hit at the cutting room floor.

649
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: But yes, that is the scene where I think we

650
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: see Holly kind of at the peak of her powers.

651
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: Because so often in movies like this, women be hysterical

652
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: women women no one faints. I don't think in this movie,

653
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: so women be a damsel in distress, which happens to

654
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: her a half hour later. But in this scene, like

655
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: the scene with her and Alan Rickman, I really like

656
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: because she effectively negotiates. He listens to her, even though

657
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: you know he's a terrorist and he's like needs to

658
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: be pissed on, but like he he says okay, and

659
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: they negotiate, and then that's the end of the scene.

660
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: And I guess my problem. I do like that you

661
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: see her take an active role and do something. The

662
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: trouble is it doesn't really have anything to do with

663
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: the plot, so we could cut that scene out of

664
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: the movie and it wouldn't make any difference. Basically, that's

665
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: a good point. And then there's a moment later on,

666
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, when she becomes a dance well right

667
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: before that, she's in the room with Hans and I

668
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: think this is after he has learned who she is,

669
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: that she is John mcclean's wife, and she's very different

670
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: if everyone was texting each other instead of on public

671
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: walkie talks. But she said something like, all of your posturing,

672
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: all of your speeches, you're nothing but a common thief.

673
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: And then he wigs out, he and he runs over

674
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm an exceptional thief. How dare you

675
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: that's like every man in any situation? How dare you

676
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: emasculate me? I'm great at what I did. I once

677
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: dated someone who I corrected because he said the wrong

678
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: thing in a McDonald's drive through, and he was like,

679
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: I've actually always prided myself and how well I order things,

680
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: So actually you wanted to mcdouble. I heard it, and

681
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: you will eat it anyway, That's what I thought. Yeah. Sure.

682
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: So he kidnaps her then and he's holding her at gunpoint.

683
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: So John McClean has to do the thing that drives

684
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: me nuts, where he has to save a woman who's

685
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: in the damsel in distress. Uh, and he does it

686
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: by you know, pulling the gun at he's taped to

687
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: his act by lying on the ground and with the

688
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: tape face up. You know how we've all done that.

689
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: And then uh, he shoots Hans, and then there's he

690
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: has to save Holly again. Whenever Hans is kind of

691
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: like stumbling out through the window, grabs Holly by the

692
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: wrist and he's like about to pull her over the ledge.

693
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: So John McClinton comes and he undoes her Rolex watch

694
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: band and then the watch flies off and then Hans

695
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: falls and we're like, ya, I argue too that that's

696
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: like a symbol role ax off of like this thing

697
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: you just got for I mean, like logistically we know

698
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: he has to tear that off, but I think it's

699
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: like that's what she got for her good work. And

700
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: he's throwing that right, and he's like funck this, And

701
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have thought herself, dude, like hey, he's got

702
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: my watch, let's undo it. He was like out of

703
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: the way, little lady. I'll do your watch for like

704
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: that was. That was a symbolic I wrote that down too,

705
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: And whether you know the filmmakers intended for that to

706
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: happen or not, me is a good audience member, was like,

707
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: this is my brain seeing this visual symbolism, Killen, you're

708
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: really putting that master's degree to right, right. But the

709
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: other thing that drove me not about that moment is

710
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: that why couldn't she undo her own Like, why couldn't

711
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: we give her that moment exactly? She couldn't have been like,

712
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I've got this one John Flank and then there we go.

713
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: But no, he's got to do it for right. So

714
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: it just drove me crazy that she didn't get her

715
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: own big moment like that, because you know who else

716
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: gets a moment like that for no reason? Pretty much

717
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: everyone else in the story. He and even less screen

718
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: time than Holly, I think. But he was like, let

719
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: me crash, and yeah, they make it, let him be

720
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: a hero. Totally. I forgot that's Holly does get a

721
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: moment like that. But for me, it's like rang kind

722
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: of hollow where a Holly she punches the journalists in

723
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: the face at the end of the movie. But for

724
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: me that that I was already incensed at that point

725
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: in the movie because it's set up so many times

726
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: where she's like Holly Jenny a Holly Gennaro, and we

727
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: know the moral of this movie is take the man's name,

728
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: you belong to him, So like, you know that that's coming,

729
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: and she's gonna be like Holly McClain and we're like,

730
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: welan hand her own armies, and that's like the moral

731
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: of the film. So it's already mad because you know

732
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: that's coming, and by the time she punched the journalists

733
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: in the face. But it's also just kind of something

734
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: we've talked about a lot before, of like giving a

735
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: female character and action to do in order to impress

736
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: the men around her that has no bearing on the plot.

737
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: This happens in action movies all the fucking time, just

738
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: like the fucking McSweeney's article that we talked about. Every

739
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: single kick I'm a woman and I'm going to kick

740
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: one time, and all the men are like, whoa, we

741
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: take she's hot and she kicked one time. We take

742
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: her serious, now, like and that was how that one

743
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: the one physical action and she also she only takes

744
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: physical action way after it has any bearing. Stakes are

745
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: non existent now because the movie is over the tourist danger.

746
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: If she would have killed the last guy, that would

747
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: have been good. Yeah, that would have been good. Oh

748
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: but I I liked that al did it. I don't know.

749
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I likened like his shots. It would have been better

750
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: if it was just one shot and he killed him.

751
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: What do you do like? He unloaded like four or

752
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: five shots? Like seriously, that's why you re at a

753
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: desk out. I'm just saying, you know what I mean?

754
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Sharpen up man? Why is an ol chief? That's why?

755
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: Exactly he's a bad shot. He killed a bystander and

756
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: broke a car window and then finally got him in

757
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: the shoulder. Can we talk about the surprise kiss that happens.

758
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: Let's do it? Okay, like blank and you'd miss it.

759
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: But when John mcclen first arrived at the party, a

760
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: man grabs him, says Merry Christmas, kisses him on the

761
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: cheek and then his face. He's just like just like

762
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: what a mail man, a man, a human man and

763
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: a man kiss me all. It's all. It's all very

764
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: like oh l a flora U West Coasters, what's next?

765
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: Keen wa like it's the whole thing, you know. Yeah,

766
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: although we didn't have keen in the eighties, but whatever, Yeah,

767
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: that that was a fun I was fully ready for

768
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: a surprise gets to happen in this movie, as happens

769
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: in almost every movie that we've seen. Almost every major

770
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: release of the past one hundred years features someone being

771
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: kissed at random without their consent. Of the time, it's

772
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: a woman. Every time we talk about surprise kiss, I've

773
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: just you know the movie I write the Mommy, Mommy

774
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: to talk about the money. Well, Brendan Fraser is literally

775
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: in a cage, completely feral, just lunges at Rachel White

776
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: and kisses her and then she goes, oh, it's my

777
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: bits the best moment in cinema, sol Right, this is

778
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: the first male on male surprise kiss that we see. Um,

779
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to point that out that history

780
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: was made on the Bectel cast just now by us

781
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: talking about this. Uh, it was still fucked up and

782
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: consent important. But also, boy does Bruce Willis think boys

783
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: kissing his gross? Oh? Can we talk about One of

784
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: the other few female characters we see on screen that

785
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: has a speaking role is the emergency responder woman who's

786
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: very bad going on with her now completely enapt but

787
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: you didn't know what. They gave a lot of, like

788
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: the voice over parts to ladies, like the dispatcher in

789
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: the car, the women. There was a lot of sort

790
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: of like you know, disembodied female voices. Yeah, that's a lot.

791
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's a lot of a

792
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of disembodied female voice. Has a lot of dissiploded

793
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: female body bars, a lot of screams that a lot

794
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: of women got to scream on camera and one lucky

795
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: woman came. One lucky woman got to scream and have

796
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: her tits. What a gift. Amazing role. They're a housekeeper.

797
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: I think probably had more. She did, had more dialogue

798
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: than like Justine. The top ten minutes of this movie

799
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: have the most female speaking roles of the entire movie.

800
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: Where we hear Holly talked to her assistant, we hear

801
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: talk to her daughter, and when here talked to her housekeeper.

802
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: They all have names and you're just like, WHOA, maybe

803
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: this is the bet And then John mcclaimed person. He's like,

804
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: why don't you have my name? And forty five hours

805
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: because this movie is very long. He's just like it's

806
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 1: just me now on the screen, no women allowed. There's

807
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: every time because I watched this movie twice before we

808
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: recorded this, and there there's like a thirty minutes where

809
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: I was like, not bat I was just pacing. It's

810
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: just like, oh, maybe Bruce Willis is skipping around. I

811
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing, cartwheels like. There's just a

812
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: long string of time where he's talking to himself and murdering,

813
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: but which I don't find very compelled. I don't know.

814
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: But his tank top though, goes from pretty pristine and

815
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: white to a little bloody to instantly black with dirt.

816
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: How did it get there? What happened? And then goes

817
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: back to being a little less dirty and like kind

818
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: of white again because they take it off at some point,

819
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: and then he takes it on. Oh he has it

820
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: on at the end, doesn't he does? He has a

821
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: jacket on. But the point is we do see nipples,

822
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: and it's important you get nips of all genders, are right.

823
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: But then the scene where you see the like the

824
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: bear lady's breasts or the lady's bear breast is how

825
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: you say that not a lady bear? Yeah? Right? Although

826
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: how many apple does a bear hat. I mean, no

827
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: one knows, No one knows. You can figure it out

828
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: to a bear to counter simples. Okay, I'm back, all right.

829
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: So you see the woman's bare breasts and fine female

830
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: nudity whatever. If it happens for no reason like it

831
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: does in this movie, pretty annoying. But if we are

832
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: going to see it, let us see some like male

833
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: size or something like like I was going to argue

834
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: from very early in this movie, we see Bruce Willis's

835
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: chest hair. Fully, it seems that it's been teased out

836
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: words his body. That seems like that was someone's job, definitely,

837
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: because then later you're because, I mean, my impress at

838
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: the beginning watching it this time, I was like, wow,

839
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: he must have a lot of chess hair because it's

840
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: like he can't control it. And then later when he

841
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: takes off his tank type, you're like, oh, there's really

842
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: not that, but what is there is just six inches

843
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: extended from his body. It's like, you know what Somewhere

844
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: they cut and they're like, can someone get on his

845
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: chess hair? Get on hair for prom can we get

846
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: there on his chest hair? We would like a full

847
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: perm It's with the eighties. They didn't know better, they

848
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: didn't know lu I loved Bruce. I'll say I loved

849
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: Bruce Wallis's voluminous chess hair. I thought it was great.

850
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: Can I say that there are hardly any women whose

851
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: names that we know in this movie, But there are

852
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: three different men who have the last name Johnson that

853
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: we know and they talk about it a lot. And

854
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: there's Agent Johnson, Special Agent Johnson, and Harvey Johnson, the

855
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: like newscaster on TV three guys with the last named Dick.

856
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: She was pretty much, this is Mr Penis here, and

857
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: he is business and he is money. Did we know

858
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: the pregnant Do we know the pregnant assistant? Or was

859
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: she just name Jenny? Yeah, we know her name? Yes, yes? Oh.

860
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to the so the emergency

861
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: responder woman who's very bad because John McClain is like, hey,

862
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 1: we're having a terrorist attack and she's like, doesn't sound

863
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: like it, and there's like rapid gunfire and she's like,

864
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, but maybe I'll send a cop over.

865
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: And it was just very frustrating to see one of

866
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: the few women on screen who has a speaking role

867
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: be very bad at her job, like aggressively to the

868
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: point of like, is this it clearly wasn't her first

869
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: day she was in charge? Actually was? And and and

870
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: also to see because Bruce Willis's character is very frustrated

871
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: with her and he's like, come on, dude, dude, send

872
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: the thing. And it's like, I'm kind of on his side,

873
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: like why isn't she doing her job? Unclear? Who knows?

874
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: We also see I've done a few places, we see

875
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: women who are not hostages in this movie, or as

876
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: I like to call them, full titty hostages. We have

877
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: we have Lucy McClain, the daughter. We have the housekeeper

878
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: whose name is Paulina Paulina. We have the emergency women

879
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: and her coworker who were both like, um, what is

880
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: a gunshot sound like? And then and then there's one

881
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: female on screen journalist for a split second movie who yeah,

882
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: who delivers Hey it's almost Christmas, And they're like, Okay,

883
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: we've had enough women, let's get let's cut back to

884
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: another person named Johnson. That's for sure as a movie

885
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: populated by almost entirely men, because all of the dozen

886
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: terrorists or men, I think, all of the cops, all

887
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: the l A p. D, all the FBI you see,

888
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: or all men. It would be so easy to have

889
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: like one of the Johnson FBI people. I feel like

890
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: they would have done that now, like and I think

891
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: in action filmmade in the last five years, one of

892
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: the terrorists would have been a woman. For sure. She

893
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't have said anything, but she could fight. She would

894
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: beat when I'm the girl with her thighs. Yeah, that

895
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: would be her gig. You know, I am kicked lady, absolutely,

896
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: but she was all She would also probably be the

897
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: leaders like lady, you know what I mean. It would

898
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: be a moment where he'd like make up with her

899
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: and then kill a man and make no mistakes. She

900
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: would be very hot. She was deadly hot. And then

901
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: and then then one of the cops would have been

902
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: a woman as well. Yeah right, but never the main,

903
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: never the main. She would have been like she'd be like, like,

904
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: it's my first day. I'm not going to be able

905
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: to do much. Yeah, so we do a car. I'm

906
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: gonna stay in the in the car. That's think of

907
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: the bit. How far we've come in thirty years. Hard

908
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: no woman could be around, but they cannot speak or

909
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: do anything. I'll have to admit that I I've only

910
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: seen die Hard too, and then none of the other sequels,

911
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: So you in the audience probably have seen more clap

912
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: if you've seen a die harded sequel. Okay, yeah, really three?

913
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: I saw three, and then I think I saw the

914
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: one with I think Justin is just as long as

915
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: the number four, number four. I saw three and four

916
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: skip two. But I saw three and four, And I

917
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: know there's a fifth one, right, there's a fifth. There's

918
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: because there's one. There's one die Hardest, die die Hardly,

919
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I think die Hard. I think there's also one. Remember

920
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: when Bruce Willis was like, we're not gonna swear in

921
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: this one, and then there's no cursing in one of

922
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: them because it was the whole thing was motherfucker fucker.

923
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: And then the next one was all like gosh, darn it.

924
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: You know there was a lot of that. Yeah, I

925
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: hate that. I don't remember which one was, might have

926
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: been five. I think terrorists stink, they're they're rotten to

927
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: the core, those jerks, right when people shoot their lover's sake,

928
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: when they do it, that was always. Yeah, I love God,

929
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: I love I wish I had silly fruitcakes. I wish

930
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: I had seen Die Hard on like a cable edit,

931
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: because there's nothing better than reaction. I think I brought

932
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: this up multiple times, but I saw Kill Bill for

933
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: the first time on on on and there's that great.

934
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's great both ways. But the scene and

935
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: Kill Bill one where he says, my name's book I

936
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: like to fuck right on TND. It's fully dubbed, well

937
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: enough that until I saw it on DVD, I did

938
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: not know my name is Buck and I like to

939
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: go to parties. I was like, Oh, what a very thing,

940
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: same thing. What a strange light of dialogue. There's way

941
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: too many syllables. One syllable go to parties, four syllables,

942
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: Like well, that's pretty I mean, I guess that we

943
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: know who this character is now, but but he's about

944
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: to die. Why do we need to know? Another one

945
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: less point I wanted to make is that we often

946
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: talk about how women of color even have less representation

947
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: than white women in movies, and this is for sure

948
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: true of this, although there are several men of color

949
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: with pretty significant roles between Al pal Ceo, which is

950
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: the black hacker on The Terrorists of Things, Argyle Takagi,

951
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: the CEO question Mark don't know what everyone who works

952
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: there's got a question mark next to their job, and

953
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: then one of the special agent Johnson the Johnson's whereas, Okay,

954
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: yeah they're not right, you're not wrong, but correct me

955
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. I think the only woman of color

956
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: screen is Paulina housekeeper, so all the men, I think

957
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: the one screaming woman in a crowd. But that's right,

958
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: an extra. It did seem though that um, all of

959
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a gender split, men and

960
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: women pretty balanced out of the people who worked at

961
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: the Nakatomi Corporation. I didn't I didn't notice. I I

962
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: spotted five women at that party, spotted fire in too

963
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: bare breasts or as you put it, a beare woman's breasts. Yeah,

964
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: but they're they were only as by my account, there

965
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: was only like five or six women at the party,

966
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: which I'm sure represented about how many women would be

967
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: working at a business business corporation at that time business

968
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: company there. There weren't a ton of women at the party, unfortunately. Yeah,

969
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: I miscounted. I have a master's agreen screenwriting, not math.

970
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just I thought worth noting that

971
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: the one woman of color you see on screen has

972
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, she's a housekeeper, nothing wrong with that, but

973
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, in a leadership role or anything like that,

974
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: whereas you have you know, cops and FBI dudes and

975
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah. So but technically does pass the

976
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: test thought because they there's ladies have conversations. Yeah we will,

977
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: we will get yeah, yeah, well we'll we'll break it down.

978
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: But before we do that, should we do our game? Yes,

979
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: let's do it. Okay, So God, so it's all imes house.

980
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: So we're like, hey, let's do something. So something we

981
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: like to do on the Bettel Castle lot if if

982
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: you're a listener, is we like to call various toxic

983
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: men feminist icons for fun. So I devised a game

984
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: for us to play featuring a bunch of men that

985
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: we've discussed either today on a separate episode or just

986
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: I wanted you to look at the picture of them, uh,

987
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: and we'll have our guest Debora determine if they are

988
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: a feminist icon, a queer icon, or trash that belongs

989
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: in the garbage. Uh. And then we're going to consult

990
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: with you guys to to see if if you agree. Unfortunately,

991
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: whatever Caitlin and I think is the answer, all right,

992
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: So if we could just go to the first slide,

993
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: John McClean and die Hard, how do we feel feminist icon,

994
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: queer icon belongs in the garbage? I would say just

995
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: because of the tank top queer icon. Am I right,

996
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of tank top. Well, what

997
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: do you guys, what do we think queer icon? I

998
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: think queer icon? I think whatever? Next one, Gerard Butler

999
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: has Fantom of the Opera. What do we think, queer icon,

1000
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: queer trash, trash show? He's a queer icon. Look at

1001
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: his mask. He's holding a roast show cash and this

1002
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: is Jim Carey and Jim Carrey's show boats for a

1003
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: hundred twenty minutes to the delight of no one, and

1004
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: how they he's a garbage that belongs in the trash.

1005
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: Am I right, yes, that's correct. Adult grench is trash.

1006
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: Next slide, Hans Grouper and I heard feminist icon, queer icon,

1007
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: garbage that belongs in the trash? Really testing your how

1008
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: in the trash? What are we thinking is icon? Why

1009
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: could he talk to a woman one time? I don't

1010
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: What do you think? I think he's a feminist icon? Alright?

1011
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: Debork Okay, okay, you got it. Next one, Baby Grench.

1012
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: Here's where I thought, what about baby Grinch. That's a

1013
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: feminist icon. I would also say he's also queer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fems.

1014
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: Baby Grinch very iconic, very icon Yeah, how could you

1015
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: not fall in love? The next one, Malcolm Crow in

1016
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: a different Bruce Willis Cower Terminus say garbage that belongs

1017
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: in the trash. I would say that, what do you

1018
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: think I haven't seen that moving forever? So sure, garbage,

1019
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: I think we have we have some people garbage. Okay, garbage.

1020
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: He's garbage. He's garbage. Next one. That's next one, Hayley

1021
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: Joel ask me, but but not in the sixth sense.

1022
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: In sex Head, where he plays a sex said teacher,

1023
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: queer icon, Am I right? Come on, yes, it's like no,

1024
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: he's a becomes an old man with a baby's face.

1025
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: Am I right? That is? That is fine? It was

1026
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: as STDs slaying the clap. There's I'm not even gonna

1027
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: say queer icon. I'm gonna say strictly lesbian icon, like

1028
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: just strictly what do we think? Okay, he's an icon

1029
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: one period feminist icon, beetle juice feministic feminist icon. Yeah,

1030
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: while his title is feminist iconic, feministic, the movie is

1031
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: feminist text beetles. Yeah, well that's an easy one. That's

1032
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: an easy one except for a safe and Harry Potter

1033
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: queer eye caller. All right, yeah, yeah, discusses. He's for

1034
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: sure not a feminist icon, but he is, yes, alright,

1035
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: Next one fourth grade grade. I feel like that's a

1036
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 1: perfect tie of all three. That is baby queer queer,

1037
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: No one feminist queer. So this one's queer adult trash.

1038
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: He was trash, It's for sure trash. Then yeah, whatever,

1039
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: Next okay, fine, Alpha Molina Inspirement feminist icons and Jamie's

1040
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: husband feminist icon. I'm soaking wet, I my freaking pants.

1041
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: I was amazing. Remember good he was to his wife

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01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: though in that movie, Like, let's be honest, he was

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Speaker 1: really a teacher and it was all great. He was.

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: He was right next to his rose. Okay, anyway, Alan

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Speaker 1: die Hard feminist icon, queerer icon, queer icon, feminist ychon

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: because a feminist icon because he's he's like, my wife's

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01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: pregnant and I'm addicted to her. Okay, you know, I

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01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: don't know what do you think feminist do you guys think,

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01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: although it's also very body positive, it's like, look at him,

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01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: come on, do you know I mean, there's no way

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01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: he could be a street cop. Jesus Christ, Let's be honest.

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. He's at a desk because

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01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: he needs to be at a desk. He's a desk man.

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01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: He's a feminist. Feminists. Yeah, that's it, all right, that's

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: my type of desk man. Next one, Oh, Bruce, this

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: is Bruce will Is frantically. I mean, he's not a Republican.

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01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: I hate government. I'm a political Write that down. I'm

1058
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: not a Republican. Bruce Willis is fully Republican, but he

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01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time telling people he's not. Is

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: this a feminist icon, queer icon or trash move? Trash?

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01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: Brust wise is trash? Can we just note that that

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: quote comes from quote fancy guys, I have a membership

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01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: with quote fancy dot com. Bumblebee in the Transformers franchise. Yeah, Bumblebee,

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01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: come on? Where? God I wish that was. Michael Bay

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01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: would be so mad if he knew that Bumblebee was

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: a queer high Oh my god, are you kidding? He

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Speaker 1: set this place on fire, all right. Next one cartoon

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: Grinch feministic. I'm just gonna say icon period icon iconic

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01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: cartoon Grinch. I cook that face? Come on, I know,

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: all right. Next one Alfred Molina and Bagheina. Oh he's

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01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: a feminist icon and the queer icon and just remember

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01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: it was great. He's the beginning of the middle in

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: the end, everything is that? Is that the final one?

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: All right? And that is a game we call feminist

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: icon quer icon bart belongs in the trash. You can

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: play that at home with your family over a Christmas holidays. Yeah,

1077
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: see what I see? Where your family's loyalties live. What

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01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: does your family think of every phase of the Grinch's life?

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01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: I'll forward you my power plant. So should we talk

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01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: about whether or not the movie passes the Bechtel tests?

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: We already hinted that it does. It does because it

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01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: does whoa very quickly, Holly talks to her assistant, James

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: name Jenny. Jenny. Holly says, Jenny, it's five forty, go

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01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: join the party, have some champagne. You're making me feel

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01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: like Ebenezer Scrooge. She does mention a man, but then

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: Jenny in a bad reference. Though, if the joke sucks?

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: Is it? If she had said, you're making me feel

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01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: like feminist icon the Grinch feminist slash queer icon, you

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01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: know it's crazy, and she was talking about the Grunch,

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01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: I'd be like, she's not talking about a man, She's

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01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: talking about it an idea. The Grinch is non binary

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: as fuck. I know that. Okay, I we've this is crazy,

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01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: and this is like how hard it is to get

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01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: a movie to pass the Bechtel test. Sometimes we've had

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01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: a situation before where it's two women talking about a

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01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: fictional man and we're like, what does it mean? Does

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01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 1: it count as a man if the man doesn't real?

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: And that is just indicative of Wow, women are not

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01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: talking a lot in this movie. Well, and so Jenny

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: responds and says, thanks a lot, Mrs McClean, do you

1101
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: think the baby can handle a little sip? Uh? And

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01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: then Holly says the baby is ready to tend bar

1103
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: And it's a hilarious joke that we all laugh. That's

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: a funny fetal alcoholic cynroum gag. That is a feminist

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01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: iconic scene. So I would argue that that does pass

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01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: because the last two lines of that exchange they're talking

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01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: about the baby making feetal alcohols. We don't know is

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01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: she what she was? She just dating at Johnson in

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01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: there with you know what. But there's more, there's more

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01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: scenes where it passes. Yes. So shortly after that, she

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01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: calls her home and Lucy picks up her daughter, who

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01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: does us the favor of stating her full name, Yeah,

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01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: McLean residents, Lucy McClean speaking, it's like, okay, exposition, have

1114
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: you calmed down? Yeah? And then she says, hello, Lucy McClean,

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: this is your mother speaking, and she says, Mommy, when

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01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: are you coming home? Pretty soon? You'll be in bed

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: when I get there because I'm not spending Christmas Eve

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01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: with my family. Instead, I'm talking to the troops, talking

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: to the troops with HOLLYE. Jennaro coming soon to Public

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Speaker 1: Access TV. And then she says, don't go snipping around

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: the house for presents. Let me talk to Paulina. And

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: then Lucy says, is daddy coming home? So a man

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: does get mentioned there, but still then I would say

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01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: past the best. And then immediately afterward with her housekeeper,

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01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 1: it passes again, although they do spend most of that

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01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: conversation talking about John McClean. Is there there's no exchange

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01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: in there? Uh? Well, Paulina says, Ola, Mrs Holly, and

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Speaker 1: he says, is it the dialogue goes better? Is it

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: my impression that's bad? No, I'm just I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: that the only woman of color, Lucy on screen, is

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: put in a like the role that is very stereotypical. Sure, yes, uh.

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01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: And then Holly says, did Mr McClean call so not

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01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: so much? Paulina says no, Mrs Holly, no telephone, and

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01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: Holly says he probably didn't have time before it's flight.

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01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: It might be a good idea to make up the

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01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: spare bedroom just in case. And then Paulina says, I

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: do that already, and Holly said, what would I do

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: without you? Paulina, I would say that conversation does not

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01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: pass the test because they're pretty much exclusively talking about

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01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: Mr McClean. I I agree with you. Yeah, I mean,

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01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: we can get into the semantics of it, but what

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,839
Speaker 1: I mean the movie does pass. But to my knowledge

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01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 1: is that the last time it passes, Jenny comes in

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01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: a little bit later to say, hey, Mr Takagi is

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01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: looking for you. He wants you to say something to

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: the troops. Yeah, but Mr Takagi and also so it

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: does not pass. Does the trees are Later when they're

1148
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: at the party and she's like, he's alive, and then

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't think respond Yeah, I think she's she's too pregnant,

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01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: she of her baby. She's like, actually I just had

1151
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: three yeager bombs relatively useless at present? Is that the

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: last time that women's there's one more time where the

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01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: two emergency responder women John McClean has like radioed for help,

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01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: the first woman. We don't know their names, so it

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: does not pass by the way. Um, the first woman

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: says it's the same address as the fire signal, and

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: then the second lady, who's very bad a job, says

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: I'll handle it and then does a really bad job

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01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: of handling it. Yeah. So those are all the exchanges

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01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: that women have in the movie Diying Hard. So most

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: of them don't pass, but the first couple do. Surprised.

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01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: One more thing I wanted to talk about before we

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: let everyone free, uh is the end of this movie

1164
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: is so frustrating to watch because we see John McClean

1165
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: have this big revelation where he says to al for

1166
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: some reason, I say I love you to my wife

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01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: all the time, but I've never said I'm sorry. And like,

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: this is a big revelation and it's kind of like

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: a very emotional moment for a male action hero to have.

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01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, this is cool, this is good.

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01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: He's like working through some stuff. Movie is so complex, right,

1172
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: But then we see the problem resolved, the terrorists are

1173
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: no longer an issue. He goes to his wife and

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01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: we already see that scene where she's like he's going

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01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: to save us or whatever, and it's like, oh, she's

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: taking his last name back. This is not good. She

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: said something like oh he's still alive. Only John could

1178
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: make someone that crazy, right, right, And I'm just like, oh,

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01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna fund later. This is exhausting. And there but

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: the end, then at the end, he has this whole

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: revelation about like I should just say sorry. And then

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: at the end, not only does she take his name back,

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01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: he does not say sorry, not to her. He's just

1184
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: like he's like, oh, I had to say to my

1185
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: wife as I'm sorry, And then he kills Alan Rickman

1186
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: makes out with her and he's like, you have my

1187
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: last name again. Let's get out of here, he never

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01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: So it's just like this whole example, like it's all

1189
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: set up for him to grow as a person, but

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: we don't actually get to see him do it that

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01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 1: that woman is robbed of that opportunity to be apologized to,

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 1: because like that whole subplot is like, I don't respect

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01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: your career choices and I'm threatened by your success. And

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01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: then he's like, tell my wife, I'm sorry and I

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01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: should have supported her. I can't tell her to her face,

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: and I can't. I can't with that there. I mean,

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01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: And it's that time of year now where, especially this year,

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01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: every woman should just be profusely apologized to by every

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: man they've ever met. It's the new hello for men.

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Speaker 1: I'm so very sorry. God. Alright, Well that's that was Yeah. No,

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01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thoughts before we rate? No,

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm exausted. The audience members, how anything they want to

1203
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: pipe in? Any questions queries? Yeah, it's it's very sad

1204
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: and frustrating to hear about John and Holley's relationship because

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01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: it does completely break down by the end, doesn't it.

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01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh wow, Although it seems like that's

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01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: where it was headed in movie one where it's like

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: and she seems pretty done, but he's like, put my

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01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: footpled and I like you. She's like, all right, because

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01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 1: we'll give her another dry there. That's a bummer. I

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: didn't know that's how it ends. Good point. Yeah, I'd

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01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: say that this is pretty progressive women because even though

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01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: you have the two incompetent women, Paully seems very competent.

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01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: So the percentage of competent women to the percentage of

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: competent men, you have John mcclaim and al our competent Yeah,

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: one competent woman. That's true, like all the idiots, like

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: all the cops are idiots. That's true. And it was

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01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: that's what we're forgetting. It's yet competent women. And you know,

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: let's be honest, Paulina, what would we do without Paulina.

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01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: She's doing a good job and that she's raising competence.

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01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: Fair nice. I think it's so funny because it's like, yeah,

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01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: the women in the higher percentage of competence, but everyone's

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: still failing. That's that's an excellent point, Paulina. Oh yes,

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01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, maybe we didn't remember that. Yes, yeah,

1225
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: there is a moment where the journalists burst into their

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01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: home and threatened to deport Paulina, who has done literally

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: nothing except be herself and have her job and you know,

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: like exist, and she has to be threatened to do

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01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: something she would have done anyways. So yeah, that's a

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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: good point. Good, yeah, totally a question to who would

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01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: you cast in a Ghostbuster style? Oh my god? Okay, okay,

1232
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: can Galgadope do something? Yes, it is Hans Grouper. I'm batty.

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: What's your face? Um? Oh god? Uh did you all

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: see thor? What's her name? Oh my god, I'm lost.

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: O our beautiful said, yeah, she was amazing, right, amazing.

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01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: She could be I don't know, she could be al

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01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: Could she be al? She could be albow? Absolutely? And then, um,

1238
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: who's gonna be John McClinton, baby Betty Rich, Babbie Graney,

1239
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: baby Gridge. I say Leslie Jones. I say Leslie Jones

1240
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,839
Speaker 1: should be amazing. I would love to cast Alpha Molina

1241
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: as Lucy mccland. I'm sorry it's not an all female reboot,

1242
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: but I think he really is a chameleon and he

1243
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: could be he could be the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he'd be like I'm what was her job? I am business?

1245
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,799
Speaker 1: She's about a negotiator, and then he'd be like, actually,

1246
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: my last name is Molina. I love this. Okay, so

1247
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's fun, that's great. Uh yeah,

1248
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: I'd wait till we miss any other major parts. Does

1249
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: everybody right? It's our Yeah, who do I want to put?

1250
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: Who do We're posing them as the breakout star of

1251
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: our all female litle bit of die Hard. What's her names? Unprodouncible.

1252
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,799
Speaker 1: You want to say serious, but it's not a serious

1253
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: forget it. Devado Is couldn't say the other one is amazing. Well,

1254
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: let's let's write it. Let's write the movie on our

1255
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 1: nipple scale zero to five nipples. Based on its portrayal

1256
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: of women, I'm gonna give it one and a half

1257
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: because it's still very much a man's story populated with

1258
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: almost entirely men. You do see one pretty competent woman,

1259
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: but she's framed as like the wife, and she isn't

1260
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: respected by her husband, and that's a whole story line

1261
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: of the movie. And she gets no screen time, neither

1262
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: do hardly any other women. And it's not the feminist

1263
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: masterpiece we're all hoping for. I felt so certain it was.

1264
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: I know but it doesn't get like no nipples, because

1265
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: I do think that Holly is competent, although she is

1266
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: robbed in many ways of opportunities to do something more

1267
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised that it passes the Bechdel test and does

1268
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: feature a competent female character for a movie that came

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01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: out in So, yeah, I'm gonna say one and a

1270
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: half nipples are you giving your nipples to? I'm going

1271
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: to give one to Hans and his bad accent, and

1272
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: the half nipple will go to because we see his nipple.

1273
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to John McClean. There you go.

1274
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: I am going to give this movie. Oh this feels

1275
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: like too much, but I'm gonna give it two and

1276
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: a half nipples for all the reasons you describe. But

1277
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: I also think we get to talk about this a lot.

1278
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: But I do think that it's interesting watching an action

1279
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: hero like John McClain almost universally fail when he tries

1280
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: hyper masculine tactics to solving a problem, Like most of

1281
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: the things that actually work for John McClain are what

1282
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: his wife is really good at, which is negotiating, Like

1283
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: if Holly McClain or Holly, Sorry, Holly Jenniro. I'm so sorry.

1284
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: If Holly Jenniro was in the bathroom at the beginning

1285
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: of this movie, this movie would be fifteen minutes long,

1286
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: because she would have been able to get them out

1287
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: of it without all the fucking show pony posturing that

1288
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis has to do to be like I have

1289
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: to have a gun and there's a warning and there's

1290
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: a like. She had the skill set the whole time

1291
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: to resolve the whole movie, and none of us would

1292
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: have had to see die hard. Um So, I I

1293
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that John mcclin's character, even though

1294
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: we are led to believe by the end, does not

1295
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: intend to apply these lessons to his life. But he

1296
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: does learn the lesson that not only does his wife

1297
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,839
Speaker 1: skills have value, and that she has a lot of value,

1298
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: but that the skills make more sense than the like

1299
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: hyper masculine aggro cop tactics that he's been taught. So

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01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: I think that there's a there is like a little

1301
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 1: bit there that I liked. Uh So I'll give it

1302
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: two and a half, given two nipples to the baby

1303
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: Grinch and give a half nipple to Paulina because she

1304
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: deserved more, all Right, I'm gonna give it one nipple.

1305
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 1: This is mono nipular to me, and that is the

1306
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: edit the word. I'm just giving it one nipple because

1307
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: it just didn't. It didn't do what it should for women.

1308
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: And my nipple is going to go to Argyle because

1309
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: he needs it, you know what I mean, milk that

1310
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, poor boy. But yeah, I mean it's

1311
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: yeah for what it is. And you know that that

1312
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: whole thing about the five in the five movies, their

1313
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: their relation breakdown. That's I'm also giving it one because

1314
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm remembering now they do they don't make it work,

1315
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: and that's you know what. You know, Holly should have

1316
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: just conling at fair least, right, Yeah, they didn't make

1317
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: it work. Well, the guys, that's too hard. D thank

1318
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: you so much for he's the best renewed with mental

1319
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: fucking world. He is the greatest. Give it up for

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01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: Deborah dg of money. Thanks go out best