WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Full Draft Review; Biggest Surprise? 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:17.160 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.920 Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World head hours at 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:32.240 the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:38.559 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Salutations from Mickey Spagnola on 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.120 a Tuesday at the Star in Frisco, a post draft 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:47.520 edition of Talking Cowboys. As we are now less than 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.080 three months away from the Cowboys arriving in Oxnard, California 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.640 for the start of training camp, full speed ahead the 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.480 final three months of this Cowboys offseason. It's been an 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.720 eventful first three months and now we'll see what the 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.480 next three months holds. Kick Garrison taking your calls. We 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.000 went your feedback on what the Cowboys did in the 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.600 draft over the weekend. I am Bill Jones along with Mickey, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.080 Rob Phillips, Brian brought us. My first question to you, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.399 Brian brought us is after so much work that you 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.000 put in over the last months leading up to the draft, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.560 what is it once the draft is over, once Christmas 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.440 is over? Well, no, it's the fascinating thing about working 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.800 on the draft is that you're you have all these 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.880 pieces and now you're putting them with these teams and 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.560 you kind of understand. And I thought, overall it was 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.360 a really fascinating draft. The first round, the way it went, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.240 I thought there was going to be more chaos, and 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.920 there really wasn't any chaos. It was really the Steelers 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.960 moving up to Denver, and you know, we've thought maybe 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.960 there was gonna be a little bit moving around. Second 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.920 round I thought was a little bit better as far 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.720 as that and some some players taking its spots that 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.280 you're like, wow, that I would have done that, or 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.600 you know, and that's when you work on it. Though. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.120 I always remind everybody these teams don't care what we think. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.639 But it is kind of fun to say, boy, that 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.960 makes sense taking that guy there. That makes sense taking 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.919 that guy there. So afterwards though, it's it's actually kind 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.680 of a relief because you now you talk about the 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.440 offseason and things that we can do, and you can 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.520 kind of see his players come in and you'll see 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.799 how the staff is going to use them, what positions 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.400 they canna start off as backup guys or some guy's 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.919 gonna get little bit more work. You know, you physically 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.720 get to see him. I think that's really really good 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.760 thing for me. I thought he was going to say 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.359 he went out and got blasted. I haven't done that 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:43.680 a long time. I can't handle the hangover anymore. Yeah, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.200 I do handle them. I do struggle with that. Yes, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.320 you know the roster now, this is pretty much. This 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.280 is pretty much the twenty nineteen Dallas Cowboys, give or 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.919 take maybe a couple moves here, and there's minor moves 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.360 before training camp. This is what this team is. And 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.040 and now, like Brian said, we won't see much in 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.359 rookie mini camp most likely. You know, they're going to 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.440 have meetings on the field like they did last year, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.680 more of an orientation. But once we get at OTAs 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.679 and in the mini camp, I mean, we'll start to 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.200 kind of see the shape of this. Well. We will 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.760 have a second draft. We will have a second draft 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.519 during the year. It just happens to come where you 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.399 get to claim players if you want to. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.600 that's second draft. Maybe. Yeah, there's a couple of guys. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.680 Somebody will try and sneak somebody through and you're like, 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.840 not so fast, We're gonna take that guy. That's that. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:29.240 But Rob's right, gets after the final cuts. That's that's 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:30.960 kind of where the personnel guys look as a little 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.920 bit of a second draft there. So we'll see if 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.520 kaboys have done a nice job helping themselves with free 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.680 agency the minor deals that they were able to make, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.040 and I think it allowed them to really kind of 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.680 have a nice plan for how they executed the draft 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.840 to three days that they were allowed to do that. Yeah, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.000 they didn't have to do a lot of reaching because 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.560 they kind of covered themselves in free agency for the 0:03:54.600 --> 0:04:00.480 most part with some very low price veteran contracts. Uh. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.160 And so they could just sit there and say, you know, 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.280 I don't need this or I don't need that, and 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.480 force the issue and so, uh yeah, I think you know, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.960 Rob's right, we know what the roster is. Now let's go. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.240 It'll be interesting to see is when we go back 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.800 and as you study this some of the players that 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.920 and it's always the exercise that you do of players 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.320 they took and then players they potentially could have taken. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.640 You know, it's always it's all those things you could 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.360 go far back and and it's oh you should have taken, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.920 you should have taken. But there were some players they 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:37.240 legitimately thought about at their pick that they that when 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.039 it came to their time, they had to make a 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.600 decision on this guy or this guy. And I think 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.440 that's where sometimes you can look and say, Okay, well 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.920 the guy that they take, how does he pan out 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.240 as opposed to you know, I'm sure some people have 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.239 gone back and looked at Layton Vanderesh around the league 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.280 and gone what we were thinking about Layton Vanderesh. Yeah, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.960 if you're gonna redraft, If you're gonna redraft, yeah, Layton 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.760 Vanderish would probably be a top eight pick, you know, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.800 if you're going to redraft that draft. So uh, you know, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.480 everybody can do it, and it'll be fascinating due time 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.520 if how that all works out. You know, Bail, what's 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.800 that big long list I see you have in front 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.040 of it. That's the draft. I just keep tracking throughout 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.240 throughout the draft. I write them all down, and you 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.720 got circles on certain guys. I go back, okay, if 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:27.000 you must, I got the entire draft right here, look 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.960 at that all right in order? Yeah, and well I 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:31.719 lost my sheet on the first three where in the 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.400 other sheet that we get the pr people give us 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.600 whatever I left it up here after the first day, okay, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.920 after this second day. Yeah, that sheet right there, that's 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.640 what I normally, I left it up here. We were 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.840 taping a show or something, and I left it up here. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:51.280 You mean, so neatly risen all Saturday stuff, fourth, fifth, sixth, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.640 and seventh rounds right here. And then I got another 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.159 notebook over here where I keep throughout the entire season, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.720 where I've got every team in the league here, and 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:04.159 so these circles is I stayed up late on Saturday 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.080 night or Sunday, I don't remember what night it was, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.720 and I took the draft picks and put them over 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.720 here on the teams. It's fun. It's what I do. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.040 I'm a geek. I'm sorry, kind of like, go print 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.560 this out. No, I'm going old school. I'm going to 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.839 old school in my old book. Got that here, fortunately, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.359 I mean I could just looking at him, you know what. No, 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.039 but where it helps me. And the reason I do 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.719 this is because when I do the preseason game, you 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.680 know where there are when I write it down, I 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.440 committed more to remember no question, no questions that I had, 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.400 I had a how I learned it. I had written 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.040 all the in the slots. I'd written it all in pencil, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.400 but then I keep the sheet because I keep both. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.280 But you're right, they kind of remember. It allows you 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.240 to remember where these guys went and potentially what we 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.599 learn about the players, and then it just helps so 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.280 much as you go on through the season and so forth, 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.640 when you're playing against you know, the New England Patriots 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.960 and no Kenel Harry, Yeah, the state you know. Yeah, 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.039 here comes to the millennial. I just let the draft 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.480 cast on NFL dot Com just update for me and 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.440 I go back. I just log on. But yeah, you 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:16.440 guys used me merely in years because that's my hand, right. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.119 I merely told you that there is a draft cast 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.000 online if you can't find it, you know. And actually, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.920 back when I was doing ranger games, I used to 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.480 be more computer and this is before everyone else was 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.000 on computers. In the broadcast booth, I had a computer 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.840 and everything. But I've just found over time that if 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.600 I look at the draft as my spring semester of school, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.360 I'm in a class and I'm learning all these players. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.120 And it's not only for the preseason games that I do, 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.320 but for the next however long they're in the league. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.320 That's how I learn who the players are so anyway, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.800 all right, so there was just curious. Yeah, that's all 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.960 right there. Um, so you were saying, you know, uh, 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.720 it is interesting what you're talking about the guys that 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.760 they were choosing from. All right, we we all talk 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.320 about and Mickey brought it up about the team taking 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.120 care of what they needed to in free agency where 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.600 they could actually go out and play a game by 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.600 the time the draft hit, they don't have to take 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.320 a player at a certain position. But when you look 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.800 at the inventory at defensive tackle going forward, how much 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.640 of a priority do you think defensive tackle was for 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.640 this team where they felt like they really needed to 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.240 get someone who might be a three technique for them. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.360 We will see if the second round pick is. But 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.280 when you look at it, they didn't have anybody basically 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.880 under contract a year from now at defensive tackle that 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.760 seemed to be a need position a year from now, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.000 if not now, I think it was somewhat of a 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.080 priority for sure, based on what you just said. And 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.600 to Brian's point, that was an example right there at 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.320 fifty eight where you're looking at it and they loved 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.160 Tristan Hill, but they also like Juan Thornhill to safety 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.880 out of Virginia, and they kind of decided what's a 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.959 more impactful position, and they went with the defensive tackle 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.520 who's got some really impressive trades, a guy like I 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.000 mean you studied him a lot, Brian really quick for 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.880 his frame, a guy that can wreck plays from the 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.880 middle of the yeah. Yeah, and they went with that 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.360 over safety, which by the way, is another position though 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.360 that you get to twenty twenty and it's like, what's 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.320 it gonna look like because you got some contracts up 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.120 there too. Yeah. That's That's where I'm looking at right now, 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.160 is because if you mean Tristan Hill was selected and 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.000 then you still had guys like Adderly, Rap and Thornhill 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.640 all on the board. Yeah, and those were kind of 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.679 the names that we were So it really did work 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.640 out how we thought all these guys would come off. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.280 I mean it was they were all those names were 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.120 kind of I was surprised at Rapp got there, But again, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.760 it's the speed. The more you talk about teams around 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.240 the league or talk to teams around the league, they 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.559 knew the fourth seven speed was going to be a problem. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.760 I e't asked Rod mary Nelly about that. He says, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.720 tremendous player, but he's a four seven guy. You know, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.880 I'm like, okay, But now Thornhill Thornhill was a discussion 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.880 in that room. You know that that was one of 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.839 those things that you know, they really really had to 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.760 hone in on. And if you think about it, probably 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.080 that Tristan Hill and Thornhill probably had to ride around 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.360 the same grade. It was the way they were stacked 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.320 that you know, Hill being over Thornhill that you know 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.840 swayed him that way. But uh, that that's gonna be 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.679 That's gonna be the one thing that I'm going to 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.800 look at as we go three years from now. How 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.720 did Triston Hill play as opposed to how did Adderly 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.000 play rap play and Thornhill play? You know, is just 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.280 in my mind because I myself I had very similar grades. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.000 I might personally myself I would have gone with Thornhill 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.960 over Hill, But I understand why they did what they 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.040 did just because of what you're talking about, the contracts 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.480 and stuff like that. The you know, MALIEK. Collins has 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.080 been banged up. He plays games, but he's banged up. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.680 He doesn't practice all the time. So uh, you know, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.160 Hill can come in and give him something at that 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.760 three technique, just like Rob probably had a great job 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.840 of describing what the player is, and I think they 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.679 see him the same way. I think that's one of 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.760 the fun things about doing the research you're leading up 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.000 to the draft, where you have your own players that 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.800 you that you fit on this team, that you feel like, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:19.360 and you can make an educated um assumption of Okay, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.240 I understand why they went this route. If I was 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.880 in there, I think I would have gotten this route. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.720 Oh no, we could play the game. If you study 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.120 the guys, you could play those games. But to look 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.680 comparing the two careers, then they go, no, no, it 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:33.280 is It is one of those things where you know, 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.319 and again I reminded everybody on the Draft show, I 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.600 think they don't care what we think. You know, we 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.240 consider our job is to try and analyze all these 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.920 picks and why we thought that Dave so. But but 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.000 you know, you know, those those grades for Thornhill and 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.640 Adderale and wrapping those guys to me were not too 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.600 far off of Tristan Hill, so that you know, they 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.400 obviously had to make a decision there, especially with Thornhill. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:02.480 Especially with Thornill, and so the defense of backcoach my 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.280 understanding made an emotional plea for the defensive tackle. Yes 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.200 he did, and he basically told him, if I have 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.160 a defensive tackle that's disruptive, my safeties will play better. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.200 There you go, My safeties can't make that defensive tackle 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.880 play better. And I think that spoke volumes when you know, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:25.920 assistant coaches can be very uh, you know, worried about 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.880 their own position, and he wasn't. He was. He was 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.040 worried about the entire defense. And I think that's what 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.480 swayed him to go big instead of going to a safety. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.640 And as we talked before, was he going to be 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.040 a walk in starter? You know, maybe not Day one 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.439 might have been down the line, but you know, typically 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.360 the second round it would be even if he showed 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.120 the qualities, it'd be mid season before because the coaches 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.000 would have to be he would have to gain their 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.320 trust before they said, okay, you're playing instead of Jeff, 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.000 he took a took an injury and a decision for 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.200 Layton Van Rush to get on the field. It's true 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.439 coaching he trust. The first three games started off the 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.960 first round pick. Yeah, absolutely, So I thought I just 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:14.520 thought him not being selfish, I think spoke volumes of 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.800 looking at the big picture instead of taking care of 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.680 my own little position. And if you go back to 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.960 what Steven Jones said in the pre draft press conference, 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.560 you know a lot of a lot of what's said. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.320 You know, they're not trying to tip their hand there. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.680 But one thing he did say about safety was if 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.480 there's a big time playmaker there, we'll look at it. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.880 We've looked at that before, but it's not a huge 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.640 priority for us. And that turned out to be the case. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.560 I mean, they were looking for depth at safety in 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.920 that draft, and then they ultimately got Donovan Wilson I 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.080 think in the sixth round. But I don't think they 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:47.200 felt like they could wait on a interior linement of 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.840 that talent, you know, past the second round, and say, oh, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.240 we'll find one later. They didn't think that was possible. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.480 And that's the other part of it is, Okay, Tristan 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.640 Hill was their late second round. As we talked about 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.760 leading up to the draft that one of the strengths 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.800 of this draft was front seven defensive players and defensive 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.360 linemen and Brian where were they as far as a 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.120 potential three technique Once behind Tristan Hill on their board. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.720 You think, I mean where one of the that was 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.480 that was anywhere near that? And then and you're absolutely right, Bill, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.560 that's you know, maybe whyse you know who they end 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.400 up getting in the free agency. It was a fourth round, 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.320 which tells you, Okay, they were at the end of 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.720 the if they don't take this one here, then they're 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.880 not getting one. Yeah. As far as the three, I mean, 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.360 they had a choice, you know, they could have gone. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:44.480 I believe Jones was another consideration. Uh yeah, Draymond Jones 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.320 from a house state. But they obviously didn't like Draymond 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.760 Jones enough they make the pill. But yeah, if you're 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.000 if you're going down the board, my guests again, my 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.400 guess I'm looking at my board. I had a fourth 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.160 round grade on whys and that probably would have been 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.080 the next three technique that you probably would have had 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.840 to deal with. They brought in Gerald Willis from the 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.040 University of Miami. He was a guy that went undrafted. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.480 They brought him in to kind of look and see, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.040 you know, they wanted to get some background. There were 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.120 some issues and there's some issues there. So obviously they 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.160 got the information they wanted out of that and uh 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.880 you know so, uh, the kid Kiki from Texas A 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.280 and M would have probably been another consideration. But then 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.120 you're thinking about fifth round guy there. So they were, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.600 they were, and they were kind of a spot where 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.920 they had to where they had to grab guys. I mean, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.400 you look at all those those three techniques that went Quinnon, 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:39.600 Williams and you know, Oliver Simmons, Wilkins, Tillery, all those 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.200 guys went fast. And so now you're sitting there thinking, okay, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.800 well we're down to the Draymond Joneses and down to 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:50.160 the Tryson Hills. So they had they had to they 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.640 had to make that determination to get that done. You know, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.120 Marinelli fell in love with absolutely, Yeah, he sure did. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.760 If you look at the positions that were drafted, you 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:05.480 mentioned Jones defensive tackle got drafted after that. The only 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.080 other guy that was listed as a defensive tackle before 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.680 the one hundred and twenty fifth pick that got drafted, 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.280 according to this sheet here was Kaylin Saunders, uh, the 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:21.800 Western Illinois by the Chiefs one. So okay, so the 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.920 next guy that I see that got drafted as a 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.280 defensive tackle, you had to go down to one twenty 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.880 five Ronelle Wren by the Bengals. Yep. And so obviously 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.480 the defensive one, another one and another one technie. So 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.280 I don't see any other three techniques that were taken. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.400 And if you didn't take him, now everybody says, well 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.840 you could have done both, Well could you? You know 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.280 if that if you like the guy, you better take 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.440 them the same thing like what the Giants did. You know, 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.560 everybody can criticize him for Daniel Jones, but if that's 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.960 your guys, take them. But Brian's right, I mean, Daniel 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.160 Wise is a guy they really liked in the free 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.560 draft process to get him as an undrafted guy's really 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.160 they're really happy with what it looks like this free 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.560 agent class is gonna be. Yeah. And the other thing 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.680 is you're right, like you gotta go back and look 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.199 at what these safeties do down the line. But I 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.440 do know they feel really good about Xavier Woods as 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.720 one of their young safeties. You're gonna you're gonna you're 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.399 gonna laugh at me for saying this, but I've got 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.320 if you if you talk, we have we have. They 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.440 released their free agency. I've seen It's not all reports, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.040 and some of these schools announced it for the guys OK, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.200 but Wise was a guy right he's listed. Hyatt from 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.640 Clemson had a fifth fifth round grade on him. This 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:44.320 uh Joan Johnson Joe A. Johnson from h from Yeah, 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.000 he's a guy, has sixth round grade on him. Westy 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.600 the corner from Kentucky has sixth round grade on him. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.639 And then Ricky Walker who was a defensive tackle like 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.960 a one technique or three who they got. He I 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.000 had a seventh round grade on him from Virginia Tech. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.159 So if you look at what Chris Hall and that 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.560 crew did, was they took I named just named four 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.000 guys off their board off or excub me five guys 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.480 off my board that they got as free agents after 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.960 the draft. So you think about you know, if if 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.359 all of a sudden you hit on and they do 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.120 this every year, these guys hit on some type of 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.200 undrafted free agent. And I give Chris holland those guys 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.280 a lot of credit because they don't move those tags 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.080 off those boards. The first thing they attack or those 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.920 those kids that are on that board, and once they 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:35.960 get those kids, then they work their way down to 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.320 the Dallas priority free agents. But if you added five 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:44.560 draftable players that I thought were draftable players. But I'm 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.040 I'm I'm giving you high marks for doing that kind 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.280 of work. I bet you they were considering Mitch Hyating 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.159 with one of those late picks, because I recall it 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.840 was either six or seventh round. Yea Colombo being in 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.240 the room right, and I've thought if I started looking 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.240 at my list, going okay, well who could they be 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.720 looking at this? And I thought Mitch Hyatt might be, yeah, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.600 this is where and good good analogy or good observation 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.359 on your part. We were working the draft on the 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.760 third day and we were watching the war room camp 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.439 and it was late like you were talking about, and 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.240 they had that seventh round pick, they had that last 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.560 seven and Colombo I'm sure was in there about Hyatt. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.960 I'm sure he was in there, not so much maybe 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.440 drafting him, but he was kind of alerting Steven Jones 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:31.200 and and Will McClay and Jerry Jones signability, signability. I goes, hey, 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.679 we're having to battle teams here. We might have to 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.840 make this pick. This might be our guy that we 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.280 have to use this pick on. He was maybe talking 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.560 about or maybe he was telling him, oh, no, hey, 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.080 we're good with We're good with Hyatt. We're good. We 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.359 don't have to do anything else. We're going to sign 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.560 this kid if it doesn't get drafted, and we'll be fine. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.439 So Ian Colombo was in there, probably probably telling him 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.000 a little bit gimmle bit of scouting report about Hyatt 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.639 and where he was in as far as assignability or 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.160 needed be draft ability there. Now he was a four 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.480 year starter tackle. Did he consensus all? Why did he 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:08.840 fall through? Brian? He's young. There's a there's a kid 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.800 roam or two from San Diego State that didn't get drafted. 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.840 There was two, there was two. There was two or 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:20.040 I had had five tackles total, Uh, two one in 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.600 the fifth was was Romer and then Hyatt was sorry 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.760 two in the fifth and Hyatt being one of them 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.120 that didn't get picked. I got it right here, Yeah, 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.880 I think. Uh. In fact, I was listening to Bill 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.600 Polian uh last week and he was talking he was 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.359 on NFL Serious NFL Radio, and he was talking about 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.080 the measurables at different piso short armed guy or something. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:47.440