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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Salutations from Mickey Spagnola on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday at the Star in Frisco, a post draft
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys. As we are now less than
Speaker 1: three months away from the Cowboys arriving in Oxnard, California
Speaker 1: for the start of training camp, full speed ahead the
Speaker 1: final three months of this Cowboys offseason. It's been an
Speaker 1: eventful first three months and now we'll see what the
Speaker 1: next three months holds. Kick Garrison taking your calls. We
Speaker 1: went your feedback on what the Cowboys did in the
Speaker 1: draft over the weekend. I am Bill Jones along with Mickey,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Brian brought us. My first question to you,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us is after so much work that you
Speaker 1: put in over the last months leading up to the draft,
Speaker 1: what is it once the draft is over, once Christmas
Speaker 1: is over? Well, no, it's the fascinating thing about working
Speaker 1: on the draft is that you're you have all these
Speaker 1: pieces and now you're putting them with these teams and
Speaker 1: you kind of understand. And I thought, overall it was
Speaker 1: a really fascinating draft. The first round, the way it went,
Speaker 1: I thought there was going to be more chaos, and
Speaker 1: there really wasn't any chaos. It was really the Steelers
Speaker 1: moving up to Denver, and you know, we've thought maybe
Speaker 1: there was gonna be a little bit moving around. Second
Speaker 1: round I thought was a little bit better as far
Speaker 1: as that and some some players taking its spots that
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, that I would have done that, or
Speaker 1: you know, and that's when you work on it. Though.
Speaker 1: I always remind everybody these teams don't care what we think.
Speaker 1: But it is kind of fun to say, boy, that
Speaker 1: makes sense taking that guy there. That makes sense taking
Speaker 1: that guy there. So afterwards though, it's it's actually kind
Speaker 1: of a relief because you now you talk about the
Speaker 1: offseason and things that we can do, and you can
Speaker 1: kind of see his players come in and you'll see
Speaker 1: how the staff is going to use them, what positions
Speaker 1: they canna start off as backup guys or some guy's
Speaker 1: gonna get little bit more work. You know, you physically
Speaker 1: get to see him. I think that's really really good
Speaker 1: thing for me. I thought he was going to say
Speaker 1: he went out and got blasted. I haven't done that
Speaker 1: a long time. I can't handle the hangover anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do handle them. I do struggle with that. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know the roster now, this is pretty much. This
Speaker 1: is pretty much the twenty nineteen Dallas Cowboys, give or
Speaker 1: take maybe a couple moves here, and there's minor moves
Speaker 1: before training camp. This is what this team is. And
Speaker 1: and now, like Brian said, we won't see much in
Speaker 1: rookie mini camp most likely. You know, they're going to
Speaker 1: have meetings on the field like they did last year,
Speaker 1: more of an orientation. But once we get at OTAs
Speaker 1: and in the mini camp, I mean, we'll start to
Speaker 1: kind of see the shape of this. Well. We will
Speaker 1: have a second draft. We will have a second draft
Speaker 1: during the year. It just happens to come where you
Speaker 1: get to claim players if you want to. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's second draft. Maybe. Yeah, there's a couple of guys.
Speaker 1: Somebody will try and sneak somebody through and you're like,
Speaker 1: not so fast, We're gonna take that guy. That's that.
Speaker 1: But Rob's right, gets after the final cuts. That's that's
Speaker 1: kind of where the personnel guys look as a little
Speaker 1: bit of a second draft there. So we'll see if
Speaker 1: kaboys have done a nice job helping themselves with free
Speaker 1: agency the minor deals that they were able to make,
Speaker 1: and I think it allowed them to really kind of
Speaker 1: have a nice plan for how they executed the draft
Speaker 1: to three days that they were allowed to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't have to do a lot of reaching because
Speaker 1: they kind of covered themselves in free agency for the
Speaker 1: most part with some very low price veteran contracts. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so they could just sit there and say, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't need this or I don't need that, and
Speaker 1: force the issue and so, uh yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: Rob's right, we know what the roster is. Now let's go.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see is when we go back
Speaker 1: and as you study this some of the players that
Speaker 1: and it's always the exercise that you do of players
Speaker 1: they took and then players they potentially could have taken.
Speaker 1: You know, it's always it's all those things you could
Speaker 1: go far back and and it's oh you should have taken,
Speaker 1: you should have taken. But there were some players they
Speaker 1: legitimately thought about at their pick that they that when
Speaker 1: it came to their time, they had to make a
Speaker 1: decision on this guy or this guy. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where sometimes you can look and say, Okay, well
Speaker 1: the guy that they take, how does he pan out
Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, I'm sure some people have
Speaker 1: gone back and looked at Layton Vanderesh around the league
Speaker 1: and gone what we were thinking about Layton Vanderesh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna redraft, If you're gonna redraft, yeah, Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish would probably be a top eight pick, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're going to redraft that draft. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody can do it, and it'll be fascinating due time
Speaker 1: if how that all works out. You know, Bail, what's
Speaker 1: that big long list I see you have in front
Speaker 1: of it. That's the draft. I just keep tracking throughout
Speaker 1: throughout the draft. I write them all down, and you
Speaker 1: got circles on certain guys. I go back, okay, if
Speaker 1: you must, I got the entire draft right here, look
Speaker 1: at that all right in order? Yeah, and well I
Speaker 1: lost my sheet on the first three where in the
Speaker 1: other sheet that we get the pr people give us
Speaker 1: whatever I left it up here after the first day, okay,
Speaker 1: after this second day. Yeah, that sheet right there, that's
Speaker 1: what I normally, I left it up here. We were
Speaker 1: taping a show or something, and I left it up here.
Speaker 1: You mean, so neatly risen all Saturday stuff, fourth, fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: and seventh rounds right here. And then I got another
Speaker 1: notebook over here where I keep throughout the entire season,
Speaker 1: where I've got every team in the league here, and
Speaker 1: so these circles is I stayed up late on Saturday
Speaker 1: night or Sunday, I don't remember what night it was,
Speaker 1: and I took the draft picks and put them over
Speaker 1: here on the teams. It's fun. It's what I do.
Speaker 1: I'm a geek. I'm sorry, kind of like, go print
Speaker 1: this out. No, I'm going old school. I'm going to
Speaker 1: old school in my old book. Got that here, fortunately,
Speaker 1: I mean I could just looking at him, you know what. No,
Speaker 1: but where it helps me. And the reason I do
Speaker 1: this is because when I do the preseason game, you
Speaker 1: know where there are when I write it down, I
Speaker 1: committed more to remember no question, no questions that I had,
Speaker 1: I had a how I learned it. I had written
Speaker 1: all the in the slots. I'd written it all in pencil,
Speaker 1: but then I keep the sheet because I keep both.
Speaker 1: But you're right, they kind of remember. It allows you
Speaker 1: to remember where these guys went and potentially what we
Speaker 1: learn about the players, and then it just helps so
Speaker 1: much as you go on through the season and so forth,
Speaker 1: when you're playing against you know, the New England Patriots
Speaker 1: and no Kenel Harry, Yeah, the state you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here comes to the millennial. I just let the draft
Speaker 1: cast on NFL dot Com just update for me and
Speaker 1: I go back. I just log on. But yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys used me merely in years because that's my hand, right.
Speaker 1: I merely told you that there is a draft cast
Speaker 1: online if you can't find it, you know. And actually,
Speaker 1: back when I was doing ranger games, I used to
Speaker 1: be more computer and this is before everyone else was
Speaker 1: on computers. In the broadcast booth, I had a computer
Speaker 1: and everything. But I've just found over time that if
Speaker 1: I look at the draft as my spring semester of school,
Speaker 1: I'm in a class and I'm learning all these players.
Speaker 1: And it's not only for the preseason games that I do,
Speaker 1: but for the next however long they're in the league.
Speaker 1: That's how I learn who the players are so anyway,
Speaker 1: all right, so there was just curious. Yeah, that's all
Speaker 1: right there. Um, so you were saying, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: it is interesting what you're talking about the guys that
Speaker 1: they were choosing from. All right, we we all talk
Speaker 1: about and Mickey brought it up about the team taking
Speaker 1: care of what they needed to in free agency where
Speaker 1: they could actually go out and play a game by
Speaker 1: the time the draft hit, they don't have to take
Speaker 1: a player at a certain position. But when you look
Speaker 1: at the inventory at defensive tackle going forward, how much
Speaker 1: of a priority do you think defensive tackle was for
Speaker 1: this team where they felt like they really needed to
Speaker 1: get someone who might be a three technique for them.
Speaker 1: We will see if the second round pick is. But
Speaker 1: when you look at it, they didn't have anybody basically
Speaker 1: under contract a year from now at defensive tackle that
Speaker 1: seemed to be a need position a year from now,
Speaker 1: if not now, I think it was somewhat of a
Speaker 1: priority for sure, based on what you just said. And
Speaker 1: to Brian's point, that was an example right there at
Speaker 1: fifty eight where you're looking at it and they loved
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, but they also like Juan Thornhill to safety
Speaker 1: out of Virginia, and they kind of decided what's a
Speaker 1: more impactful position, and they went with the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: who's got some really impressive trades, a guy like I
Speaker 1: mean you studied him a lot, Brian really quick for
Speaker 1: his frame, a guy that can wreck plays from the
Speaker 1: middle of the yeah. Yeah, and they went with that
Speaker 1: over safety, which by the way, is another position though
Speaker 1: that you get to twenty twenty and it's like, what's
Speaker 1: it gonna look like because you got some contracts up
Speaker 1: there too. Yeah. That's That's where I'm looking at right now,
Speaker 1: is because if you mean Tristan Hill was selected and
Speaker 1: then you still had guys like Adderly, Rap and Thornhill
Speaker 1: all on the board. Yeah, and those were kind of
Speaker 1: the names that we were So it really did work
Speaker 1: out how we thought all these guys would come off.
Speaker 1: I mean it was they were all those names were
Speaker 1: kind of I was surprised at Rapp got there, But again,
Speaker 1: it's the speed. The more you talk about teams around
Speaker 1: the league or talk to teams around the league, they
Speaker 1: knew the fourth seven speed was going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: I e't asked Rod mary Nelly about that. He says,
Speaker 1: tremendous player, but he's a four seven guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, But now Thornhill Thornhill was a discussion
Speaker 1: in that room. You know that that was one of
Speaker 1: those things that you know, they really really had to
Speaker 1: hone in on. And if you think about it, probably
Speaker 1: that Tristan Hill and Thornhill probably had to ride around
Speaker 1: the same grade. It was the way they were stacked
Speaker 1: that you know, Hill being over Thornhill that you know
Speaker 1: swayed him that way. But uh, that that's gonna be
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the one thing that I'm going to
Speaker 1: look at as we go three years from now. How
Speaker 1: did Triston Hill play as opposed to how did Adderly
Speaker 1: play rap play and Thornhill play? You know, is just
Speaker 1: in my mind because I myself I had very similar grades.
Speaker 1: I might personally myself I would have gone with Thornhill
Speaker 1: over Hill, But I understand why they did what they
Speaker 1: did just because of what you're talking about, the contracts
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. The you know, MALIEK. Collins has
Speaker 1: been banged up. He plays games, but he's banged up.
Speaker 1: He doesn't practice all the time. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Hill can come in and give him something at that
Speaker 1: three technique, just like Rob probably had a great job
Speaker 1: of describing what the player is, and I think they
Speaker 1: see him the same way. I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the fun things about doing the research you're leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft, where you have your own players that
Speaker 1: you that you fit on this team, that you feel like,
Speaker 1: and you can make an educated um assumption of Okay,
Speaker 1: I understand why they went this route. If I was
Speaker 1: in there, I think I would have gotten this route.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we could play the game. If you study
Speaker 1: the guys, you could play those games. But to look
Speaker 1: comparing the two careers, then they go, no, no, it
Speaker 1: is It is one of those things where you know,
Speaker 1: and again I reminded everybody on the Draft show, I
Speaker 1: think they don't care what we think. You know, we
Speaker 1: consider our job is to try and analyze all these
Speaker 1: picks and why we thought that Dave so. But but
Speaker 1: you know, you know, those those grades for Thornhill and
Speaker 1: Adderale and wrapping those guys to me were not too
Speaker 1: far off of Tristan Hill, so that you know, they
Speaker 1: obviously had to make a decision there, especially with Thornhill.
Speaker 1: Especially with Thornill, and so the defense of backcoach my
Speaker 1: understanding made an emotional plea for the defensive tackle. Yes
Speaker 1: he did, and he basically told him, if I have
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle that's disruptive, my safeties will play better.
Speaker 1: There you go, My safeties can't make that defensive tackle
Speaker 1: play better. And I think that spoke volumes when you know,
Speaker 1: assistant coaches can be very uh, you know, worried about
Speaker 1: their own position, and he wasn't. He was. He was
Speaker 1: worried about the entire defense. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: swayed him to go big instead of going to a safety.
Speaker 1: And as we talked before, was he going to be
Speaker 1: a walk in starter? You know, maybe not Day one
Speaker 1: might have been down the line, but you know, typically
Speaker 1: the second round it would be even if he showed
Speaker 1: the qualities, it'd be mid season before because the coaches
Speaker 1: would have to be he would have to gain their
Speaker 1: trust before they said, okay, you're playing instead of Jeff,
Speaker 1: he took a took an injury and a decision for
Speaker 1: Layton Van Rush to get on the field. It's true
Speaker 1: coaching he trust. The first three games started off the
Speaker 1: first round pick. Yeah, absolutely, So I thought I just
Speaker 1: thought him not being selfish, I think spoke volumes of
Speaker 1: looking at the big picture instead of taking care of
Speaker 1: my own little position. And if you go back to
Speaker 1: what Steven Jones said in the pre draft press conference,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of what's said.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not trying to tip their hand there.
Speaker 1: But one thing he did say about safety was if
Speaker 1: there's a big time playmaker there, we'll look at it.
Speaker 1: We've looked at that before, but it's not a huge
Speaker 1: priority for us. And that turned out to be the case.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were looking for depth at safety in
Speaker 1: that draft, and then they ultimately got Donovan Wilson I
Speaker 1: think in the sixth round. But I don't think they
Speaker 1: felt like they could wait on a interior linement of
Speaker 1: that talent, you know, past the second round, and say, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll find one later. They didn't think that was possible.
Speaker 1: And that's the other part of it is, Okay, Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill was their late second round. As we talked about
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft that one of the strengths
Speaker 1: of this draft was front seven defensive players and defensive
Speaker 1: linemen and Brian where were they as far as a
Speaker 1: potential three technique Once behind Tristan Hill on their board.
Speaker 1: You think, I mean where one of the that was
Speaker 1: that was anywhere near that? And then and you're absolutely right, Bill,
Speaker 1: that's you know, maybe whyse you know who they end
Speaker 1: up getting in the free agency. It was a fourth round,
Speaker 1: which tells you, Okay, they were at the end of
Speaker 1: the if they don't take this one here, then they're
Speaker 1: not getting one. Yeah. As far as the three, I mean,
Speaker 1: they had a choice, you know, they could have gone.
Speaker 1: I believe Jones was another consideration. Uh yeah, Draymond Jones
Speaker 1: from a house state. But they obviously didn't like Draymond
Speaker 1: Jones enough they make the pill. But yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're going down the board, my guests again, my
Speaker 1: guess I'm looking at my board. I had a fourth
Speaker 1: round grade on whys and that probably would have been
Speaker 1: the next three technique that you probably would have had
Speaker 1: to deal with. They brought in Gerald Willis from the
Speaker 1: University of Miami. He was a guy that went undrafted.
Speaker 1: They brought him in to kind of look and see,
Speaker 1: you know, they wanted to get some background. There were
Speaker 1: some issues and there's some issues there. So obviously they
Speaker 1: got the information they wanted out of that and uh
Speaker 1: you know so, uh, the kid Kiki from Texas A
Speaker 1: and M would have probably been another consideration. But then
Speaker 1: you're thinking about fifth round guy there. So they were,
Speaker 1: they were, and they were kind of a spot where
Speaker 1: they had to where they had to grab guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at all those those three techniques that went Quinnon,
Speaker 1: Williams and you know, Oliver Simmons, Wilkins, Tillery, all those
Speaker 1: guys went fast. And so now you're sitting there thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: well we're down to the Draymond Joneses and down to
Speaker 1: the Tryson Hills. So they had they had to they
Speaker 1: had to make that determination to get that done. You know,
Speaker 1: Marinelli fell in love with absolutely, Yeah, he sure did.
Speaker 1: If you look at the positions that were drafted, you
Speaker 1: mentioned Jones defensive tackle got drafted after that. The only
Speaker 1: other guy that was listed as a defensive tackle before
Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty fifth pick that got drafted,
Speaker 1: according to this sheet here was Kaylin Saunders, uh, the
Speaker 1: Western Illinois by the Chiefs one. So okay, so the
Speaker 1: next guy that I see that got drafted as a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, you had to go down to one twenty
Speaker 1: five Ronelle Wren by the Bengals. Yep. And so obviously
Speaker 1: the defensive one, another one and another one technie. So
Speaker 1: I don't see any other three techniques that were taken.
Speaker 1: And if you didn't take him, now everybody says, well
Speaker 1: you could have done both, Well could you? You know
Speaker 1: if that if you like the guy, you better take
Speaker 1: them the same thing like what the Giants did. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody can criticize him for Daniel Jones, but if that's
Speaker 1: your guys, take them. But Brian's right, I mean, Daniel
Speaker 1: Wise is a guy they really liked in the free
Speaker 1: draft process to get him as an undrafted guy's really
Speaker 1: they're really happy with what it looks like this free
Speaker 1: agent class is gonna be. Yeah. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is you're right, like you gotta go back and look
Speaker 1: at what these safeties do down the line. But I
Speaker 1: do know they feel really good about Xavier Woods as
Speaker 1: one of their young safeties. You're gonna you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna laugh at me for saying this, but I've got
Speaker 1: if you if you talk, we have we have. They
Speaker 1: released their free agency. I've seen It's not all reports,
Speaker 1: and some of these schools announced it for the guys OK,
Speaker 1: but Wise was a guy right he's listed. Hyatt from
Speaker 1: Clemson had a fifth fifth round grade on him. This
Speaker 1: uh Joan Johnson Joe A. Johnson from h from Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a guy, has sixth round grade on him. Westy
Speaker 1: the corner from Kentucky has sixth round grade on him.
Speaker 1: And then Ricky Walker who was a defensive tackle like
Speaker 1: a one technique or three who they got. He I
Speaker 1: had a seventh round grade on him from Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: So if you look at what Chris Hall and that
Speaker 1: crew did, was they took I named just named four
Speaker 1: guys off their board off or excub me five guys
Speaker 1: off my board that they got as free agents after
Speaker 1: the draft. So you think about you know, if if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you hit on and they do
Speaker 1: this every year, these guys hit on some type of
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent. And I give Chris holland those guys
Speaker 1: a lot of credit because they don't move those tags
Speaker 1: off those boards. The first thing they attack or those
Speaker 1: those kids that are on that board, and once they
Speaker 1: get those kids, then they work their way down to
Speaker 1: the Dallas priority free agents. But if you added five
Speaker 1: draftable players that I thought were draftable players. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm giving you high marks for doing that kind
Speaker 1: of work. I bet you they were considering Mitch Hyating
Speaker 1: with one of those late picks, because I recall it
Speaker 1: was either six or seventh round. Yea Colombo being in
Speaker 1: the room right, and I've thought if I started looking
Speaker 1: at my list, going okay, well who could they be
Speaker 1: looking at this? And I thought Mitch Hyatt might be, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where and good good analogy or good observation
Speaker 1: on your part. We were working the draft on the
Speaker 1: third day and we were watching the war room camp
Speaker 1: and it was late like you were talking about, and
Speaker 1: they had that seventh round pick, they had that last
Speaker 1: seven and Colombo I'm sure was in there about Hyatt.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was in there, not so much maybe
Speaker 1: drafting him, but he was kind of alerting Steven Jones
Speaker 1: and and Will McClay and Jerry Jones signability, signability. I goes, hey,
Speaker 1: we're having to battle teams here. We might have to
Speaker 1: make this pick. This might be our guy that we
Speaker 1: have to use this pick on. He was maybe talking
Speaker 1: about or maybe he was telling him, oh, no, hey,
Speaker 1: we're good with We're good with Hyatt. We're good. We
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything else. We're going to sign
Speaker 1: this kid if it doesn't get drafted, and we'll be fine.
Speaker 1: So Ian Colombo was in there, probably probably telling him
Speaker 1: a little bit gimmle bit of scouting report about Hyatt
Speaker 1: and where he was in as far as assignability or
Speaker 1: needed be draft ability there. Now he was a four
Speaker 1: year starter tackle. Did he consensus all? Why did he
Speaker 1: fall through? Brian? He's young. There's a there's a kid
Speaker 1: roam or two from San Diego State that didn't get drafted.
Speaker 1: There was two, there was two. There was two or
Speaker 1: I had had five tackles total, Uh, two one in
Speaker 1: the fifth was was Romer and then Hyatt was sorry
Speaker 1: two in the fifth and Hyatt being one of them
Speaker 1: that didn't get picked. I got it right here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. Uh. In fact, I was listening to Bill
Speaker 1: Polian uh last week and he was talking he was
Speaker 1: on NFL Serious NFL Radio, and he was talking about
Speaker 1: the measurables at different piso short armed guy or something.
Speaker 1: It was about forty times with offensive lineman. And if
Speaker 1: you'll look at tackles in the league, either left or
Speaker 1: right tackles there, if you have a greater than a
Speaker 1: five one forty time, you're worse than a five one
Speaker 1: forty times you're not gonna make The odds are you're
Speaker 1: not gonna make it in this lake. Mitch Hyatts was
Speaker 1: five two nine with a one eighty six ten yards split.
Speaker 1: That's a that's just an example of some measurable that
Speaker 1: might make him in the eyes of scouts. Well, I know,
Speaker 1: I know it hurt. Harmon, the wide receiver from North
Speaker 1: Carolina State didn't went in the sixth round. I know
Speaker 1: that for a fact because all everything else, and he's
Speaker 1: a Washington get ready for him to catch about twelve
Speaker 1: balls a game on your right there. He's one of
Speaker 1: those kids, right, yeah, I mean he might run four,
Speaker 1: five nine or four six, but get ready for him
Speaker 1: to catch about twelve balls on you. So I saw
Speaker 1: I saw some of the guys. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: know if they've signed or agreed to, but the Western guy, yeah, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: And so here's here's something that started this year. They're
Speaker 1: guaranteeing these guys money an offset. Yeah, and and basically
Speaker 1: if if they don't make it, but they make it
Speaker 1: on the practice squad, then the money's basically the same.
Speaker 1: So they guaranteed now. His thing said, they guaranteed him
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars. And if you figure out what
Speaker 1: you get paid on the practice squad, it comes out
Speaker 1: to about one hundred thousand dollars if you're there for
Speaker 1: seventeen weeks. So this was something new. The other thing was,
Speaker 1: and Brian, you can speak to this. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of calling going on around the league, like in
Speaker 1: the seventh round. Oh yeah, to start courting. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: nice to be free. Yeah, I mean before it used
Speaker 1: to be Okay, the bell rings, it's over, now, grab
Speaker 1: the phone now. They were telling they were calling guys
Speaker 1: before that to say, hey, we're probably not going to
Speaker 1: draft you, but we sure like to sign you. This
Speaker 1: is where Dallas Day is a huge advantage for these guys.
Speaker 1: See these guys, they see these guys, they recruit these guys,
Speaker 1: and you got one of the best closers in the league.
Speaker 1: If you could get Jerry Jones on a phone, he
Speaker 1: will sell. He will sell somehow college. Yeah, he will
Speaker 1: sell somebody. The opportunity, he will sell somebod the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Don't want to buy, don't get off, don't go into
Speaker 1: the room. I'll tell you what, We're gonna write some
Speaker 1: reports that this kid is. They signed this kid, this
Speaker 1: jailing guiton from North Texas. Right, Well, I didn't know
Speaker 1: much about this kid. I know, I know there was
Speaker 1: some serious legal problems there that they kind of had
Speaker 1: to work through. But if you if you you look
Speaker 1: from what I understand, just kind of talking to some
Speaker 1: people again, that draft board they had of the guys
Speaker 1: that they had signed, they had they had uh, let's see,
Speaker 1: they had seven guys I believe that were draftable grades
Speaker 1: that they signed after the draft. Seven And I think
Speaker 1: about that, you know, I mean, that's just that's like
Speaker 1: a whole other draft. Second draft. Yeah, that's we talked
Speaker 1: about the second draft board. But but yeah, but it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you add if you're adding players off your
Speaker 1: draft board and you're not just signing, You're not just
Speaker 1: giving five thousand dollars to Brian broad Us out of
Speaker 1: LSU who's not going to make the team. But if
Speaker 1: you go out and you get guy like Guidon and
Speaker 1: Johnson and notice high in Westery, I mean, these guys
Speaker 1: at least your practice squad to look good. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying unless somebody comes along and says, whoa
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we kind of like hiet too, and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, we like, yeah, if he's an undrafted guy,
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be on the practice squad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to make it. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like that's why they're giving that guaranteed. Donovan Alumba is
Speaker 1: a great example. I think Donovan Alumba is a name
Speaker 1: that I'm throwing out there now that Chris Rshard and
Speaker 1: those guys will talk about when we get to OTAs
Speaker 1: And I gotta be careful this year not to cheer
Speaker 1: lead for certain guys because I get him a camp
Speaker 1: and then they fail. But Donovan Alumba is a guy
Speaker 1: that I know this for a fact. You know they
Speaker 1: got him last year. He was on the practice squad
Speaker 1: the whole entire year. Again, like some of these guys
Speaker 1: are probably gonna be and now he's gonna be ready
Speaker 1: to play some meaningful snaps for you. Him and the
Speaker 1: ward kid that they sent to Kansas City for the trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, he ended up starting for a Kansas
Speaker 1: late year at But those are the two guys I mean,
Speaker 1: they were they We're planning on those guys being you know,
Speaker 1: there was a plan keep on the practice squad work
Speaker 1: with him. But Donovan Olumba was getting snaps with the
Speaker 1: first defense like Chris ruh Schard was throwing him in.
Speaker 1: Maybe they have eight snaps, he gets two, but at
Speaker 1: least like Richard Sherman. Yeah, because he looked like Richard Sherman. Well,
Speaker 1: what maybe west does is he really six s? This
Speaker 1: is the test. This is gonna be the big test,
Speaker 1: the Kentucky corner. Yeah, yeah, four three yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: actually I think they got him in four three three.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have him in six four at
Speaker 1: six four six four and a half yeah, six a
Speaker 1: half and a half. And the thing about Westery though,
Speaker 1: is though that this will be the test because he
Speaker 1: was not a he was not a starter at Kentucky.
Speaker 1: He Kentucky had some tall long corners at tall long safeties.
Speaker 1: And they know they've done a nice job up there.
Speaker 1: By the way, Stoop's done a good job coaching coach
Speaker 1: the defensive. Now he's not anymore, he's coaching coach, but
Speaker 1: he but Dave, but this Westreet, it's not often that
Speaker 1: the six four and a half corner. Let's see if okay,
Speaker 1: is he a leggy guy. Is he gonna be able
Speaker 1: to turn? He gonna be No, No, he's got this
Speaker 1: guy's got some ability and Scott but yeah, but he
Speaker 1: will be off. Prescott broke his streak of two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty nine straight passes without an interception. Here you go,
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is a this is a six four
Speaker 1: and a half guy. And now we'll see. Okay, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a reason to have these corners that have length
Speaker 1: and have reach. The problem with Westreet and that's swear. Guys,
Speaker 1: you're gonna notice it right off the bat. He's a grabber.
Speaker 1: I mean he is an immediate grabber, you know, and
Speaker 1: then and then once he grabs you, and then he
Speaker 1: kind of gets himself in position. He needs to trust
Speaker 1: his trust his ability a little bit more. But the
Speaker 1: first thing you're gonna say it camp, you're gonna see
Speaker 1: me and go you're right because or you're watching with drills,
Speaker 1: you're right because he's he's like initially a grab and
Speaker 1: hold and then turn kind of a guy. So what
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Speaker 1: have to go to Italy. Marco in Italy is first
Speaker 1: up on talking Colbost there, Hey, guys, what's up? Thank
Speaker 1: you for taking I call no problem listen first and foremost,
Speaker 1: hats off to Brian and Micky forgetting it right as
Speaker 1: regards to the draft. On Thursday, commenting on Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: Brian wrote, and I quote, I would not be shocked
Speaker 1: at all if he was a selection for this club
Speaker 1: at two fifty eight, and on Friday, Micky wrote, and
Speaker 1: I quote, Saturday will be about the time in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys go to the safety route. And likely running back
Speaker 1: and possibly corner back to you guys are amazing, so
Speaker 1: Mike comments and dollars draft. I like the logic a lot.
Speaker 1: It made a ton of sense to invest on both
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive line, especially since I believe that, with
Speaker 1: the exception of quarterback, linemen are the most difficult spots
Speaker 1: to fit in effectively during the season. So it's a
Speaker 1: huge advantage to have these players in these roles from
Speaker 1: the beginning. So thumbs up from me in the draft.
Speaker 1: Now following free agency, in the draft, three questions, one
Speaker 1: for each unit. I will start with special team. I'm
Speaker 1: a bit surprised that Dallas did not add a kicker
Speaker 1: via free agency or tick one in the last rounds
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. Myer went twenty nine on thirty six.
Speaker 1: They missed twenty percent of the field goals is attempted.
Speaker 1: These are not good numbers. The last season, six out
Speaker 1: of sixteen Dallas regular season games were decided by three
Speaker 1: points or less, so this aspect of the game can
Speaker 1: termine if they make or miss the playoffs or the
Speaker 1: home field advantage. So what's your view on the gig
Speaker 1: in situation? Second question on defense after Amary Cooper joined
Speaker 1: last season, the Cowboys on losss or losses came versus
Speaker 1: the Titans, the calls and the Rams. The Titans run
Speaker 1: thirty six times one hundred and twenty five yards, the
Speaker 1: calls run thirty nine times four hundred and seventy eight yards,
Speaker 1: and rams run forty eight times fo two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy three yards. So what's your view on Dallas run, defense, postcraft,
Speaker 1: and free agency because I think this was the Achiles
Speaker 1: heal last year. And finally and offense, do you think
Speaker 1: the next season we will see even more emphasis on
Speaker 1: bold control? I'm asking because they selected to running backs
Speaker 1: in the draft. Plus with the editions of Randolph Cobb
Speaker 1: and the returner Jason Whitton, they have two players with
Speaker 1: good hands and good route skills that can do damage
Speaker 1: in short jadges situation. Together with the running threat so
Speaker 1: Zeke and deck in the returns Frederick, this should allow
Speaker 1: Dallas to keep the boat for a huge portion of
Speaker 1: the game. Do you know what are killing more? And
Speaker 1: doctor Prescott's preferences to that respect, I think it would
Speaker 1: be the right way to go and it would beak
Speaker 1: the defense. Alio. With that, we'll hang up and listen
Speaker 1: to your answers. As always, thank you for your sending coverage.
Speaker 1: I look forward to talk to you again the next future.
Speaker 1: Love y'all, goodbye. All right, Marco conducting Talking Cowboys in Italy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Talking cowboys in the Italy. We
Speaker 1: need seventeen hours and twenty five minutes to answer all
Speaker 1: the questions. All good questions, by the way, good question. Kicker,
Speaker 1: have you seen a kicker on the report? No, they
Speaker 1: have to know they had they They're probably not going
Speaker 1: to add a kicker. Maybe they will later, but initially
Speaker 1: didn't like that we're going to do that. I know
Speaker 1: they see a redfern, a punter earth who's already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they brought they brought several guys in through Dallas Day.
Speaker 1: I need to get to Dallas Day. I know they
Speaker 1: brought in four kickers for Dallas Day. So maybe we'll
Speaker 1: see somebody when we all get on the plane to
Speaker 1: go to Oxnard. There might be a kicker add it
Speaker 1: at that point in time. Maybe they bring in a
Speaker 1: guy for the rookie mini camp and not a tryout
Speaker 1: basis exactly. Just didn't kind of see, but I didn't
Speaker 1: get to sound like they were going to do that though,
Speaker 1: because because it's not a really no, are you sold
Speaker 1: on that guy? I think the caller Marco Mark he
Speaker 1: makes I think by the end of the season numbers number.
Speaker 1: I mean, to his point, the fifty plus yarders. You
Speaker 1: felt better about with maher a lot of the time
Speaker 1: late in the season than those money kicks from those
Speaker 1: two games. It was like things were fading so wrong.
Speaker 1: I do think overall they felt pretty good about what
Speaker 1: he did, though he made some big kicks for him
Speaker 1: too last year. So run defense, I wouldn't call that
Speaker 1: the Achilles heel. I think for much of the year
Speaker 1: that was your strength. If you want to look at
Speaker 1: the Rams game, yeah it wasn't good. Colts bad too,
Speaker 1: but those are really the two games you look at,
Speaker 1: and so what do you think happened? I mean, it
Speaker 1: was the same guys playing that fourteen other games. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you what. What the two best offensive lines
Speaker 1: I thought they played last year, they were just better
Speaker 1: than I just felt like that that you're dealing with
Speaker 1: the Rams team. And I don't think it had anything
Speaker 1: to do with rest or what anything, because the Rams
Speaker 1: weren't exactly winning games at the end they were kind
Speaker 1: of kind of spewing. They were trying to get home
Speaker 1: field and couldn't get it, you know, at the end.
Speaker 1: But that's still that offensive line what they've done at
Speaker 1: the Rams. And then of course the Colts the Cults
Speaker 1: are gonna be a problem for a lot of teams
Speaker 1: because their offensive line is, I think is outstanding. Its Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they got They've got you know, another rookie Smith Smith
Speaker 1: from Auburn. Yeah, I mean they've got some guys that
Speaker 1: was that was just a more a more physical bunch
Speaker 1: than the Cowboys. I now, the way your hope is
Speaker 1: that that the human log. You know, he's got his
Speaker 1: shoulder fixed. He looked good in the Caffe Cherry yesterday
Speaker 1: walking by wavings saying hello physically, look who he's out
Speaker 1: there working out. This Christian Covington. If you watch the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans play last year, that's a good front as
Speaker 1: a really good front. And I felt like that Christian
Speaker 1: Covington was a little bit of an underrated guy for them.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I guess you can't pay everybody,
Speaker 1: and they didn't pay him, you know, they didn't even
Speaker 1: try and keep him. But the tape I watched, you know,
Speaker 1: when they were running twist stunts and stuff, Nicols stuff.
Speaker 1: He's in there. He's like a post. He's post getting position.
Speaker 1: He's getting Wat home or Miracus home, or you know,
Speaker 1: he's getting guys home, you know, to to kind of
Speaker 1: get rush, you know, Clowney, those guys are getting home
Speaker 1: because he's being physical, you know, playing inside. So Rod Merry,
Speaker 1: I think they've upgraded. If you look at Hill and
Speaker 1: Covington and Hyder, you know they've upgraded from the reads.
Speaker 1: We still have Ross here, right, I mean, Ross was
Speaker 1: a guy that was I thought was okay, but they
Speaker 1: needed they needed upgrades and and and I think that's
Speaker 1: where they helped themselves with that defensive tackle spot. But
Speaker 1: I just personally, I think that the Colts and the
Speaker 1: Rams just kick their ass. They did. That's kind of
Speaker 1: how I feel about that. Those are the two best
Speaker 1: they played. So those I just thought those two teams
Speaker 1: hard matchup for the Cowboys. Yeah, and they were physical,
Speaker 1: but they used the Cowboys aggressiveness against her, like you
Speaker 1: want to come upfield, go ahead, We're coming in behind you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and maybe it helps run defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: Lawrence had a nice season right, right, Oh, now his
Speaker 1: shoulders should be better. You mentioned Antoine Woods, right, shoulders
Speaker 1: should be better Blee Collins knock on Wood staying healthy
Speaker 1: because he played her last year again. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the wild card and all that is Tyrone Crawford.
Speaker 1: Where do you want to play him? Right? You know,
Speaker 1: it would be nice if you can play him inside,
Speaker 1: if the defensive end spot is solidified and can stop
Speaker 1: the run every once in a while. I like the too,
Speaker 1: I mean I I could say I like the kids
Speaker 1: they added to this on the defensive inside of it.
Speaker 1: Just looking at how about the numbers they've thrown at
Speaker 1: this thing? Now, it's a lot. I mean, Derek and
Speaker 1: I were talking about that. It's like who makes the
Speaker 1: gate more? Ted, I don't know if you can keep
Speaker 1: them all well really yeah. The hope is if you
Speaker 1: have to maybe get a couple of the practice squad,
Speaker 1: but or maybe use them for maybe you can use
Speaker 1: them for a trade trade somebody, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: at lest you get into this thing and somebody's got
Speaker 1: the surplusit safety we were talking about. And now instead
Speaker 1: of drafting a guy, maybe you get a one or
Speaker 1: two year guy. It's already been in the league, it's
Speaker 1: somebody's kind of given up on and you know, you
Speaker 1: have a you have a guy you want to move on. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, let's be honest, you know, maybe Malik Collins.
Speaker 1: Maybe you move on from somebody that's contract is up,
Speaker 1: you know, to try and try and get another position
Speaker 1: and maybe get a or get draft picks or you
Speaker 1: or you get story pick out of that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's a way. Yeah. I think he over he overthought
Speaker 1: the running back question that because they drafted two running backs,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a ball control they need. I think
Speaker 1: they needed at least one candidate to be the every
Speaker 1: down backup to challenge. This is on Darius Jackson and
Speaker 1: Chun Right, Yeah, where Mark where Marco's right though is
Speaker 1: and he said the right name Kellen Moore. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know how they use Pollard is on Kellen Moore. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't need to go to Oxnard with all of
Speaker 1: us on that plane and then by day five, practice
Speaker 1: five or practice six, I am not seeing Pollard involved. Now.
Speaker 1: If Pollard is not smart enough, and obviously they know
Speaker 1: if he's smart enough, I mean, they do a lot
Speaker 1: of work on these guys. They bring him in put
Speaker 1: him on the board. Gary Brown obviously loved him. Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore I was told, really loved the guy. I think
Speaker 1: the Webber pick, by the way, guys, I think the
Speaker 1: value of Webber was just too great for them to pass.
Speaker 1: If you think about talking to some folks about Webber
Speaker 1: third fourth round type grades on that exactly saw one
Speaker 1: list that had him ranked the sixth running back. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know, ye good batter otherwise, but somebody thought something. Well,
Speaker 1: I tell you what though, the Cowboys thought something of
Speaker 1: him because if you if you honestly his grades, his
Speaker 1: grade and Pollard's grade were very similar, very from what
Speaker 1: I was told, and similar and round too. I think
Speaker 1: I think that that with with Webber maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit of tick higher, but the but again, they felt
Speaker 1: like they needed to do something to get part done.
Speaker 1: Now we'll we'll also look at that when that selection
Speaker 1: went on. There were some players on the board too
Speaker 1: as well when that So that's what it was in
Speaker 1: my mind. In the fourth and the fourth, the long,
Speaker 1: the long Isaiah Johnson, that's the one I'm gonna kind
Speaker 1: of keep my eye on because again, you've added Westery,
Speaker 1: you kind of have a little bit need at corner
Speaker 1: in due time. Mickey keeps telling me, I'm next year,
Speaker 1: I'm losing two corners probably, and the following year after that,
Speaker 1: I'm losing another two corners probably. So we need to
Speaker 1: kind of think about you think they head in mind
Speaker 1: when they traded down and then they traded down again,
Speaker 1: or or did they have someone YouTube. I think they
Speaker 1: really I think they really want I think they liked
Speaker 1: this Mike Jackson so much that they felt like that
Speaker 1: located too early. It's too early to take Mike Jackson. Now,
Speaker 1: let's see if we could keep back up and take them.
Speaker 1: So they did. They parlayed Mike Jackson and it really
Speaker 1: did two picks, but they loved the kids. And then
Speaker 1: think of all of the you talked about these seven
Speaker 1: undrafted guys that they had grades. Yes, yeah, So at
Speaker 1: that point they're sitting there going we get all these
Speaker 1: guys that we would be willing to spend sixth or
Speaker 1: seventh round picks on, and we got one seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: We need to pick up late sixth early seventh round picks.
Speaker 1: And so they were able to do that by trading
Speaker 1: down twice, and it helped them. It helped them grab
Speaker 1: a safety, grabbed the safety. It helped them grab you know,
Speaker 1: if you think about they didn't have a sixth round
Speaker 1: pick going to this draft. Weeber was the sixth round pick, right,
Speaker 1: so they picked up a third round guy on the go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wilson was a sixth round Okay, I'm sorry, yeah, well okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the seventh jokes when was jelfs two forty one
Speaker 1: the two seven? There were two seven round safety and
Speaker 1: a running back with those two that they see, so
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and they're thinking about what think about who
Speaker 1: they picked up? Then they picked up the safety they
Speaker 1: probably you know it maybe had a fifth round grade
Speaker 1: on him, and they had position meat position. And then
Speaker 1: they turned around and grab a running back that they
Speaker 1: got a third round grade, three fourth grade on And
Speaker 1: that was just like you said, that was a blinking
Speaker 1: light type thing, best available. Well, Connor McGovern was that
Speaker 1: way too. Yeah, you said it today in the round table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett even said it himself. Because they're holding
Speaker 1: on a couple of guys. They're holding on Where we
Speaker 1: were at that DRAF We're in the second third round
Speaker 1: right there. Okay, there were two guys I know they
Speaker 1: were holding on. They were holding on Justin Lane. Actually
Speaker 1: before that, Will Harris, the safety from Boston College, they
Speaker 1: brought in as a thirty visit guy. To him, he
Speaker 1: was a thirty busy guy. Okay. He goes to Detroit
Speaker 1: at three eighty one. Okay, okay, well we still got
Speaker 1: we still got lane. We still got Justin Justin Lane
Speaker 1: up there from Michigan State. And then he turns around
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh does his tea all the time. You know, three
Speaker 1: eighty three, they take Justin Lane. So now you're thinking, like, okay,
Speaker 1: we just lost our two guys. It's almost like Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: when they took Ryan Shazier and then you end up
Speaker 1: taking Zack Martin. You know, you're like, okay, who is
Speaker 1: the next player on that board? You know, and I
Speaker 1: guarantee that I from hocket. Some folks they had a
Speaker 1: second round grade on McGovern. He was the last second
Speaker 1: round grade. That's yeah, absolutely yeah. So you're sitting there
Speaker 1: in the third round and you're like going, okay, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I'm we're all reading into and it's the potential,
Speaker 1: and it's the potential to move guys around. But to
Speaker 1: your point's damn near the fourth round. Yeah, when you're
Speaker 1: picking and this guy's sitting here, and it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: why not continue to fortify our offensive line. It's the
Speaker 1: strength of our team. We had a bunch of injuries
Speaker 1: and Travis's illness last year, Like, yeah, why not. Connor
Speaker 1: McGovern was fifty fourth on your list, right, and he
Speaker 1: was thirty one on Gil Brandt's list. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that had Gil's probably more right than me,
Speaker 1: but but I'm just saying that to me that that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. That's one of those times
Speaker 1: you go solid joy, you say, oh best available player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: best available player. Absolutely, that is the perfect example of
Speaker 1: best available, perfect example. But it was an immediate competition
Speaker 1: coming in here. But the question was about Pollard. We
Speaker 1: started with four, six, seventh, had third, but Pollard. But
Speaker 1: Pollard is a dimension that they didn't have. If Kelly,
Speaker 1: if exactly they give he gives him a pass catcher
Speaker 1: on the outside, he's gonna have to develop. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to develop some blocking. There's gonna have to be
Speaker 1: some Gary Brown will work with that. Yeah, Gary Brown
Speaker 1: will work with that. But the key is this is now.
Speaker 1: Marco was right, this is on Kellen Moore, Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: don't let this kid be a week two, a week three,
Speaker 1: a week six, a week eight, inactive, don't need that
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Speaker 1: on the payroll and the board of directly should he
Speaker 1: is Mickey supported director members. A matter of fact, I
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Speaker 1: asking about? Offensive tackle? Brandon Knight. Brandon Knight. I do
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Speaker 1: guaranteed money. Yeah, no, I need to watch him. I
Speaker 1: have a combo guard for the Phoenix Suns. That's all
Speaker 1: I know. Brevin Knight, Brandon and Brevin actually, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about this. Brandon go to
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Speaker 1: Brandon Knight playing hop Scotch over now. Marco in Italy
Speaker 1: also mentioned the name of Marco show, Jason Witten and
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb when he was talking about the ball control offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't buy any of that. Mickey said it speed speed, speed,
Speaker 1: because Cobbs got it. We know Pollard has it. And
Speaker 1: Witten's more crafty at this stage at thirty seven, I'm
Speaker 1: his age. I know. Um, are you crafty in certain ways? Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was he ever fast. Yeah, I think he for his position.
Speaker 1: Yeah here six one out of college. He was a
Speaker 1: mismatch guy. Yeah, back ten years ago. Um Tavon although,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned Bill before the break, Tavon and Pollard
Speaker 1: very similar skill sets, so that that might be an
Speaker 1: interesting competition to watch and training camp. Even Webber's got
Speaker 1: some speed for his time speed, so they've added that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kellamore's got some speed to work with now
Speaker 1: going forward gallop too, well, you look well. And if Tavon,
Speaker 1: I think his his deal is one point seven with
Speaker 1: five hundred guaranteed. So yeah, I mean Briting was on
Speaker 1: the wall there to begin with, you know, coming into
Speaker 1: this season, and yeah, I don't think there. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're married to him at all. M Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I mean, but how about the competition. Yeah, a wide
Speaker 1: receiver if you know, when you evaluated, when you when
Speaker 1: you can consider Pollard as a running back slash receiver.
Speaker 1: You know, I do think they would add to that
Speaker 1: mix too, And when you look at what they did,
Speaker 1: I think they would have liked to maybe draft a
Speaker 1: receiver to develop. But again, you mentioned some guys that
Speaker 1: reportedly they may be getting here that you know like
Speaker 1: you mentioned a guiding stuff, so guiding can run. He's
Speaker 1: for three nine. If you watch that North Texas tape,
Speaker 1: it's for getting Devin Smith. Yeah, sign yeah, if you
Speaker 1: took one, they had to be better than Devin Smith
Speaker 1: and Cedric Wilson's like your draft choice. Get about those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't play, so we need to go
Speaker 1: to Camp sung Rimmer. All these games you've added, you've
Speaker 1: added basically two guys to the to the mix there,
Speaker 1: which brings me to my crazy pick at number fifty eight.
Speaker 1: You're crazy pick number fifty eight. I wanted Jalen Hurd.
Speaker 1: I love that. Where did he go sixty seven to
Speaker 1: San Francisco? Yeah? Yeah. We spent like a whole segment
Speaker 1: on him last year. And if you talk about you're
Speaker 1: going to compare Tristan Hill with one Thorn Hill, my deal,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be comparing it with Jalen Hurd. And here's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons, as it fits with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Jalan Hurd could play slot receiver and he can play
Speaker 1: running back, and you can put him on the field
Speaker 1: that f position in the Cowboys offense, and teams don't
Speaker 1: know whether you're running the ball or throwing the ball,
Speaker 1: because he's a legitimate running back and he's a legitimate
Speaker 1: slot receiver and we're watching, we're watching. Ken always puts
Speaker 1: up these highlights. He's running the ball at Tennessee. Here
Speaker 1: we go. If you're watching along with us, Kat's carrying
Speaker 1: the football for the Valls. You know Stef the Missouri
Speaker 1: Tiger there, I think, yeah, and so anyway, that's my
Speaker 1: guy that I applachan state, Mickey, I'm sorry. San Francisco
Speaker 1: took Deebo Samuel in the early second back and got him. Yeah, Mickey,
Speaker 1: they did, yeah pick in the second round. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though, they did a nice job. Those two
Speaker 1: kids can play. Both. Those kids can play. Pollard not
Speaker 1: only can return kicks, he can cover kicks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was reading he was a gunner on the on
Speaker 1: punt coverage, so that gives him maybe. What were other
Speaker 1: guys that Keith O'Quinn has fired up about that are
Speaker 1: special teams demon types that they've acquired here. Well, what
Speaker 1: about your Aggie. I've always seen him, yeah, I've always
Speaker 1: seen him. I've always seen him play defense. I've never
Speaker 1: seen him playing special team and play I didn't pay
Speaker 1: a whole lot of attention to it. But I think
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna have to help, he's gonna make the
Speaker 1: team there. Um, I'm just looking at the number of
Speaker 1: kickoff returns last year, so they only had Joe Jackson
Speaker 1: would fit in that also. Yeah, and then and you
Speaker 1: know they didn't usually they draft a linebacker. Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna she didn't do that. And they you know,
Speaker 1: they looked at some guys like Cole Holcombe they brought.
Speaker 1: He got drafted by the Redskins. I think at the
Speaker 1: end of the fifth round. He was the last right
Speaker 1: about that Bill, So who's Yeah? And then Green and Greenlock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had him. I had him mocked like a much
Speaker 1: later and he ended up going like thinking the fifth
Speaker 1: round if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, So yeah, Well, and
Speaker 1: teams started taking those special teams guys. Yea to be
Speaker 1: a backup linebacker and special teams guy. So who's your
Speaker 1: sam linebacker? I think Sean Lee. See that's that's that's
Speaker 1: where we differ here. That's where we differ here. It's
Speaker 1: Sean Lee boy probably a point who's replacing Damian Wilson
Speaker 1: as the starter at Sami, Shawn Lee. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: all for that myself. Who else, Joe Thomas? Okay, my
Speaker 1: only issue with that, Nick, why did you bring Shawn
Speaker 1: Lee back? Why did you move him to the week
Speaker 1: side years ago? But this is different? Why is it different?
Speaker 1: Because Okay, I asked the questions, asked your question. I
Speaker 1: asked the question. I asked someone, can Sean Lee play
Speaker 1: strong side linebacker? That person answer was yes, he can
Speaker 1: play any place we want him to play. I think
Speaker 1: you're I don't disagree with that safety based on past history.
Speaker 1: Good point. They moved him to will to cover him up.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter he was in the middle. You can
Speaker 1: cover up this. You can play the strong side linebacker differently.
Speaker 1: I don't have to have him on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Take him on the tight end. I hope you're right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I hope you're Shaun Lee when they go to Ota
Speaker 1: is going to be the first one got your sources.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to disagree with that, but if you know,
Speaker 1: I would. I think Rob has got a point because
Speaker 1: they're trying to help him keep from getting beat up,
Speaker 1: taken on blocks. But if they play, if they play
Speaker 1: with Sam linebacker and he can do it. Okay, snaps
Speaker 1: a games, Wilson, I'm ahead of you. Good. He played
Speaker 1: twenty eight percent of the snaps on defense. So that's
Speaker 1: a nice little role for Sean. I see where you're going.
Speaker 1: I'm just playing devil's advocating. Why wouldn't you want him
Speaker 1: on the field? No, No, I want Sean Lee on
Speaker 1: the field. I want but I want to keep Sean
Speaker 1: Lee healthy. The beauty of it is he can still
Speaker 1: he can also do other back up the other spots
Speaker 1: because he's smart enough to be able to handle everything.
Speaker 1: If if Mickey, if you're right, I'll be the first
Speaker 1: one to admit it, because sneaky sounds, I have to
Speaker 1: agree with it. That's that's that's a well placed. So
Speaker 1: of the other of linebackers on the roster, who is
Speaker 1: who would be the candidate to be that starting sam linebacker?
Speaker 1: With there there? I would have thought maybe it was
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas. I think they I think they want to
Speaker 1: see Covington. I haven't seen content enough to know what
Speaker 1: he's keeping on this kid. Kyle Quero though too, That's
Speaker 1: another one of those guys that that was was on
Speaker 1: the practice squad all year. And the coach is kind
Speaker 1: of filling up. All he did was like intercept passes
Speaker 1: and pick up fumbles and stuff in practice safety. In
Speaker 1: college safety at Northwestern, they moved him to linebacker. He's
Speaker 1: like the Donovan Olumba that you all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking. It's like Micky's gonna go and
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing uh, We're gonna do training camp
Speaker 1: live and Micky's goying this. Kyle Quara watch him and
Speaker 1: last year. I'm just telling Mickey's gonna talk about it more.
Speaker 1: How much how much progress does a player make from
Speaker 1: year one year two? Ultimately, I'm with Mickey on this
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like the offensive line argument, best five,
Speaker 1: best three. I want Shaun Lee on the field. I'm
Speaker 1: just going back to what they did in the past
Speaker 1: to try to cover him up more that they're hearing
Speaker 1: that surprised me a little. But if they think he
Speaker 1: can do it, I don't. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee can't do anything. I'm so saying he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to play on the line of scrimmage every play.
Speaker 1: They can cover up the strong and they're and they're
Speaker 1: in and they're in nickel a lot most of the
Speaker 1: time anyway, so's yeah, and he's gonna be your backup
Speaker 1: in the middle on the nickel. Yeah, they get Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee on the field. I think that's a victory agreed
Speaker 1: if and then it's a double victory if he can
Speaker 1: stay on the field. Well, I would say this edition
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys has been a victor. W We covered
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. He did cover a lot of ground,
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Speaker 1: through the nuts and bolts of this one, and then
Speaker 1: I want to go back and talk about his two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen draft he had with the Zeke and
Speaker 1: those we like to talk about that too. Well, it's
Speaker 1: three years removed. That's a fair amount of that's a
Speaker 1: famount of grade that we can grade that raft grade
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