WEBVTT - Parlez Vous Français with Ben Platt... (S2 E12 "La Douleur Exquise!")

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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<v Speaker 1>you a Charlotte? Okay, you guys today, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us on Rus Charlotte. We have an incredible guest,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Platt. He is almost an Egot winner. He has

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<v Speaker 1>a Tony, an Emmy and a Grammy, everything but the Oscar,

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<v Speaker 1>which I have every faith he will one day get.

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<v Speaker 1>You would know him from Dear Evan Hansen and also

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<v Speaker 1>Pitch Perfect he plays Benji and also he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the Politician Ryan Murphy series. I mean, he is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>And he has this unbelievable concert at Radio City Music

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<v Speaker 1>Hall where he basically says that he's a Charlotte and

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<v Speaker 1>then he sings a song that he wrote about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to talk to him about that and

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<v Speaker 2>so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the incredible Ben Platte day.

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<v Speaker 3>It is very exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have a bunch of similarities or connections though

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<v Speaker 1>I have never officially met Ben, but what I have

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<v Speaker 1>just start with though, and I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>were aware of this, tell me so I fly a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>fly around a lot, and we had one season of

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<v Speaker 1>the show and just like that where it was during

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<v Speaker 1>the school year, so I was literally flying to LA

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<v Speaker 1>every weekend to see my kids. It was hard and

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<v Speaker 1>I was deliriously tired. So one flight, I'm on the

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<v Speaker 1>flight and there were some adorable young men on this flight.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, they seem familiar, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so tired, and we take the whole flight.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some chatting going on. There's possibly a mother or

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<v Speaker 1>a mother in law. To me, there's some chatting, there's

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<v Speaker 1>some boisterousness. I'm like, I don't know who they are,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're super interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>We get off and I'm like, oh, my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's been.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it was me, I think so and your husband. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that you didn't notice me.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I would have bothered you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad because I was so mortified but they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say hi to you.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have made you make a video for my

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<v Speaker 4>sister's Thank God and Heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I thought to myself, like, I mean I was

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<v Speaker 1>in my like do not look at me phase, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I might have had a hat on.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in like my.

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<v Speaker 4>Planes the most like it doesn't gifying zone to be

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<v Speaker 4>a person zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Because later on I felt so bad because I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that super adorable concert where you literally say that you

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<v Speaker 1>are a.

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<v Speaker 4>Charlotte, It's true, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone and their brother sent to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote a whole song I don't tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I mean I very much identified as Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 4>always have. I grew up with two sisters, as I said,

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<v Speaker 4>and they loved the show and exposed me to the show,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've most of the show memorized. So I just

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<v Speaker 4>it's very formative to me as as a gay person

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<v Speaker 4>and a New York person. So I also from a

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<v Speaker 4>Jewish family, and very much the m O culturally, as

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<v Speaker 4>obviously Charlotte becomes is you know, you got to find

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<v Speaker 4>your find your husband and settle down and buy the china,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, it's all about like making a home

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<v Speaker 4>and so for me and dating, like even prematurely, that

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<v Speaker 4>was very much my m O and so I very

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<v Speaker 4>much consider myself a Charlotte. So I wrote this song

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<v Speaker 4>called Share Your Address that's on my first album. That's

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<v Speaker 4>about kind of jumping in really quickly as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>you like someone after the first couple of dates. And

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<v Speaker 4>I always say that it's very much inspired.

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<v Speaker 1>By Charles ah which I love so much, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so beautiful in the concert, it's so so beautiful, and

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<v Speaker 1>people kept sending to me and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is adorable. It's before I had the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I was like, yes, this, we need to

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<v Speaker 3>have him on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>As soon as I heard this was the thing. Yay,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad you're doing this. By the way, someone

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<v Speaker 4>loves the show and watches it before I go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 4>It's nice to have someone to chat about it with.

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<v Speaker 1>I do find this whole new. It's really amazing to

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<v Speaker 1>have lasted this long in terms of the show being

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<v Speaker 1>culturally discussed at all. And then obviously we got to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and do it and just like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they came to me while we were doing it

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<v Speaker 1>just like that, asked me if I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I had had other chances to do a

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<v Speaker 1>rewatch podcast, and I hadn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't been ready in a way.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems weird in a certain way to look back

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of live in the past, like I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to live in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, But I had also never rewatched the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And in my mind, of course I love the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I always love the show. Everyone knows I love the show,

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<v Speaker 1>but when I watch it, I'm blown away by how

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<v Speaker 1>good it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really good and whatever you do, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank God, right, thank God.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's such a gift as an actor to just

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<v Speaker 1>luck in, like literally fall into a situation where everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to do something new and everybody is committed,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone cares so much, and our writers were so

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<v Speaker 1>amazing and still are and you know, so many different things.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm so lucky that I did say yes. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so thankful that I did say yes.

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<v Speaker 4>And I so understand that having to have the right

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<v Speaker 4>amount of time between to like live your life and

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<v Speaker 4>be a person and separate and then come back to

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<v Speaker 4>it fresh and like I so understand like that you

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<v Speaker 4>needed to wait till the right moment to raise it.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's very therapeutic, really, I would imagine, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so interesting and sometimes I remember nothing, like this

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<v Speaker 1>entire episode was new to you, totally fresh.

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<v Speaker 4>At way I watch it, does it put you back

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<v Speaker 4>on the day, Like do you think of do you

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<v Speaker 4>get the flashes of like work days and little.

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<v Speaker 1>Flashes, because that is the way actors remember things. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember like I was so hot that day, melting exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see me melting. I can I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>see weird details that no one else would see or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't even think I do. I gues I

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<v Speaker 1>did have flashbacks. I'm remembering now. I'm remembering now. The

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<v Speaker 1>funny thing is that sometimes, like for instance, I do

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<v Speaker 1>people over the years. It's always interesting to see what

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<v Speaker 1>people remember and talk to you about, right, And people

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<v Speaker 1>would talk to me about the S and M Club,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm always like, I don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>This is apparently what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the La la de lure, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Good job. I doubt that I know, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no memory of this at all, no memory

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<v Speaker 1>of this at all, except that there is there's a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the cast, and I don't know where we are,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly at a like a premiere party, and my hair

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<v Speaker 1>is kinked. You know, it's scary, Okay, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Star Do you love it?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course? And I just love that that's her interpretation

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<v Speaker 4>of the assignment when she shows up. I know Charlotte

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<v Speaker 4>is true to Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 1>Always Charlotte is true to Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 4>We all four of them are. Also, why they're so

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<v Speaker 4>iconic and why everybody sees themselves in them is that

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<v Speaker 4>they're very true to their you know, their centers. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>they all change and experience things, but they have like

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<v Speaker 4>an id each of them that like stays very consistent,

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<v Speaker 4>and I feel like real people.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree one hundred percent. I agree with one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people in the world who do not agree.

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<v Speaker 4>Well with us. They can come to me, actually thought

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<v Speaker 4>do not, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that man.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for putting yourself out there for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the thing, okay, here we are, we're back.

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<v Speaker 4>Should we go back and discuss Oh my God, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay great? Or should we? I just want to just

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<v Speaker 1>briefly touch on. So you're happily married.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happily married. I want to tell the story I

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<v Speaker 4>found my harry Golden Blat.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you find your harry Golden Blat?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we met. His name is Noa Galvin. He's very

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<v Speaker 4>talented actor and writer and singer and performer. And he

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<v Speaker 4>and I met when we were like nineteen doing making

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<v Speaker 4>like a web series, like a comedy web series and

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<v Speaker 4>never saw the light of day.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my god.

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<v Speaker 4>We met really early on wo our mutual friends who

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<v Speaker 4>we made this film Theeder Camp with. They were one

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<v Speaker 4>of the first things that we all made together was

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<v Speaker 4>this web series. They invited me in and I met

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<v Speaker 4>Noah doing like improv with him, and we had a

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<v Speaker 4>talent crushes immediately on each other. And then we started,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, working together in the theater community, like workshopping musicals

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff, and we started dating like right away when

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<v Speaker 4>we were like twenty years old. Wow. And I like

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<v Speaker 4>really panicked and sort of freaked out quickly, and for

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<v Speaker 4>reasons that I don't think I understood at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time, I sort of expressed it like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>like I think we're best for I think this is

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<v Speaker 4>a friendship. I think this is like a lifelong friendship,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't want to ruin that by dating. And

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I understood at such a young age

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<v Speaker 4>that like that is one and the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But nobody when they're young understanding.

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<v Speaker 4>No I thought those were like totally different categories, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were looking for the heat, that's right, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I sent him a text message that was

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<v Speaker 4>so long that it has an arrow at the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>to go to the rest of the text message, which

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't the nicest way to do it. But he so

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<v Speaker 4>he was mad at me for a little while, but

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<v Speaker 4>then he was bb became friends and he was very patient,

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<v Speaker 4>and we were friends for like five six years wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And then sort of had like a maturing turning point,

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<v Speaker 4>mostly on my end of coming to my senses and realizing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, this was the sort of greatest person that

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<v Speaker 4>I know has been in front of me the whole time,

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<v Speaker 4>and he graciously allowed me to come to that realization.

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<v Speaker 4>But we really gave both of us a chance to

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<v Speaker 4>like sow some oats, which I really appreciate. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't get together right away and we were able

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<v Speaker 4>to come a little bit more fully formed. And we've

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<v Speaker 4>been married almost a year. Will September first will be

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<v Speaker 4>our first amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, where's the Durham van Hanson?

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<v Speaker 4>So the internet list to tell me that we met

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<v Speaker 4>doing Derevin Hanson, which is not true, got it? We

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<v Speaker 4>already done each other, yes, always for several years. When

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<v Speaker 4>I was doing Iman handsOn, I originated the part on

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<v Speaker 4>Broadway and they were looking for a replacement, and they

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<v Speaker 4>obviously found Noah because Noah was very talented, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was just like, oh, I loved him. He's amazing. I

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<v Speaker 4>co signed. That's amazing. So we already had a friendship

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<v Speaker 4>and I was able to you know, help him, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>acclimate to like that really intense part and at least

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<v Speaker 4>make the transition as easy as it could be. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that was like chapter three or four in.

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<v Speaker 1>Our That's amazing. That's amazing. I love that story so much,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love I do think that there's just so

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<v Speaker 1>many different elements of First of all, you know, meeting

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<v Speaker 1>when you're nineteen, I mean, that's kind of insane totally.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's amazing that you were able to navigate that

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<v Speaker 1>in a way and both have patience or whatever. It

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<v Speaker 1>took time and patience and growth to come to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where you did realize and you hadn't burn that bridge.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Yeah, I'm very grateful to the universe that,

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<v Speaker 4>like I, for whatever reason, wasn't ready to deal with

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<v Speaker 4>it and so kind of blew it up for a moment,

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<v Speaker 4>and also grateful to him that he stuck with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And amazing congratulations. It seems definitely like we could use

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<v Speaker 1>the word for shared.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's for shared.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it, that's right, love it so so much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that story, and I think it's also funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to correct things that are wrong out there

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<v Speaker 1>because people goma.

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<v Speaker 2>On or something, and then it becomes like it's real.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's nice in the narrative. Yeah, right, and I

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<v Speaker 4>get it. It's such a fun that's such a fun story.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, we met doing Darren Hanson, and it's like

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<v Speaker 4>we both played Evan Hanson, but it's more boring to

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<v Speaker 4>be like, actually, we had done a workshop of a

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<v Speaker 4>musical called Alice by Heart, and we had also made

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<v Speaker 4>a web sketch together and gone to Vastar and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>But but yeah, I love it. We still did both

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<v Speaker 4>Lavon Hanson, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's of course, of course, and that's a funny. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a funny, like, yeah, it's a quirky little thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>a year married, a year married, what you thought it

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<v Speaker 1>would be?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I think the bigger change for me,

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<v Speaker 4>especially because I've known him for so long, was the cohabitating,

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<v Speaker 4>like we're moving in and really like building a home

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<v Speaker 4>together for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very Charlotte type of thing. Exactly how has

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<v Speaker 1>it panned out?

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<v Speaker 4>Really really well. He's he's very aesthetically gifted, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>very much his strong suit, which is not mine. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>very good at cleanliness and organization, nice and like logistics

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<v Speaker 4>and sort of executing, and he's a good ideas man.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a nice combo. But because we had already

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<v Speaker 4>done that and started living together for like almost a

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<v Speaker 4>year by the time we got married, I think the

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<v Speaker 4>marriage part was sort of just like, of course, like

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<v Speaker 4>this is naturally what we want to do next and

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<v Speaker 4>what feels right, and we didn't sort of come home

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<v Speaker 4>the next morning and think like, oh now everything is different,

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<v Speaker 4>We've changed everything. We just kind of watched Pop Star Academy.

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<v Speaker 1>And love it. The funny thing about Charlotte's whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>because people do talk a lot about the China, because

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<v Speaker 1>the China, you know, when when she marries Kyle and

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<v Speaker 1>we're in Bergdorf and I flipped that plate over. But

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<v Speaker 1>also even in the first season, I go out with

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie's discarded man and he doesn't like my China taste,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like out.

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<v Speaker 4>But sometimes if you know, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know if you know, you know, and whatever way you

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<v Speaker 1>find out, whatever meaningful thing in your mind that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's important to me. I do think like, wow, Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very pick.

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<v Speaker 4>But she is, but she is and she and I

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<v Speaker 4>love that with Harry they had to tryal and tribulate

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<v Speaker 4>and come back to the growth on their own time.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's growth in Charlotte that is super important. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that was funny about it in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is again like an actor type of a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So when she was married to Kyle obviously sorry, what's

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<v Speaker 1>his name, Trey, it's so so messy in my mind

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<v Speaker 1>at this point that I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can did you have a nice experience working with him?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a dream, Okay, He's wonderful on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>He's amazing. Love the character, I know, amazing, right and complicated.

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<v Speaker 4>Very very yes, fairly human and you know, heartbreaking and

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<v Speaker 4>great and funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't gotten to that part of the rewatch. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to it because I do feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>need to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Some feelings out.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I remember is, of course, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>thematic is that this is exactly what she was looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything looks perfect on the outside, but it's not perfect

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<v Speaker 1>on the inside, and that is her growth is that

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<v Speaker 1>that's not going to work out, sadly, and that then

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to expect and and grow herself inside and realize, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this person who doesn't look anything like what she thought

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted is in fact what she really wants on

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<v Speaker 1>the inside. And it has worked out to be, thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>a happy relationship and marriage in the Sex and the

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<v Speaker 1>City universe, exactly the only one, as he likes to say,

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<v Speaker 1>the last man's standing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true, I know, and I'm so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy for her and for him earned. It

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<v Speaker 1>does feel earned, that's well put. When we came back

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<v Speaker 1>to film, and just like that, it was a lot right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was right after COVID. We were we had to

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<v Speaker 1>get the sets out of storage and or rebuild them

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<v Speaker 1>depending on the situation, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Recreate which Twilight Zone.

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<v Speaker 2>So much so.

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<v Speaker 1>But yet our children had grown up, right, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to update. They were like, how can we update?

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<v Speaker 1>How can we change in a way that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first day I was the first.

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<v Speaker 4>Person to work, what was the first thing you shot?

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<v Speaker 1>Basically a day of crying because Big has died.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoa with the children who are now one day one. Yes, okay, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to go to work at four thirty in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. I hadn't been to work in a while

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<v Speaker 1>because of COVID, right, And.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes the first week is a wash because you're just

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<v Speaker 4>like getting your bearings and your yess so unfair. I

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<v Speaker 4>know I would never have.

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<v Speaker 3>Known, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>They expect a lot of me, okay, but Michael Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>was directing, so there's an ease in that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>had my new children, who we you know, we've done

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<v Speaker 1>a read through.

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<v Speaker 4>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>We were old school like that, so we've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my new dog, Myrtle. Love her so much.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a she. I feel like I can say this now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to keep this quiet. She's a she,

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<v Speaker 1>so I often just refer to her by her character name,

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<v Speaker 1>but she is a she, Myrtle. I love her so passionately,

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<v Speaker 1>and I might start to cry.

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<v Speaker 3>She's eight, Okay, I just.

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<v Speaker 4>We just lost our dog in the spring. His name

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<v Speaker 4>was George. Here's Steorge.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, George is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>George is beautiful. Let's not cry about the dogs, because

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<v Speaker 1>really it could happen. So I'm just going to close

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes for a second and talk about being at work,

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<v Speaker 1>going back to work. I'm all so excited, but also

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<v Speaker 1>so nervous. I have so many important scenes I have

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<v Speaker 1>to basically cry for like three episodes. When we first

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<v Speaker 1>came back, there was a lot of Charlotte crying. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can do that, but it was still a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So I go, I go into Charlotte set. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see the things that I recognize. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she has that beautiful china cabinet with all of her china,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know this is important to Charlotte. Then there's

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<v Speaker 1>this little vestibule where you're walking from the dining room

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<v Speaker 1>into the kitchen, and it's where there's like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>desks on either side, and they had decided that this

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<v Speaker 1>was the children's area and that the children were messy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like if like someone's bedroom exploded into

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<v Speaker 1>a very small area. And I was like, you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>whoa what is this? Are you not finished? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like saying up like we could see this in the shot.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, no, no, that's how it is, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know the kids are messy. I'm like, but I'm still Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 4>True.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't be this messy, like what on earth? And

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, so this whole conversation has to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like anxious, so I'm like, no, like this

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<v Speaker 1>they did.

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<v Speaker 4>They take the feedback?

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<v Speaker 2>They did? Good God, yes, thanks God.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what makes it feel real after all these years.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Sarah Jessica talks about this too, just like you

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<v Speaker 4>guys take all of the details very seriously, and what

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<v Speaker 4>everyone do you know these women really well?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just like and everyone on the set also

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<v Speaker 1>takes all these details really seriously. So it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we we had to come to like a

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<v Speaker 1>happy medium of it, right, because yes, they are teenagers right.

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<v Speaker 4>Tween teams, you're right behind them exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I wouldn't want them to be trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing better, right. So also in their bedroom we

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<v Speaker 1>had like Lilies I'd be really neat and Rose slush

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<v Speaker 1>rock because she wasn't yet not be really neat, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was all very interesting. But anyway, you reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of that with the china, because this really the

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<v Speaker 1>china stands out to people about Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like emblematic because she's also like very I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>optimistic and elegant and naive, and it sort of like

0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.960
<v Speaker 4>symbolizes all of that. And that's also a really hard

0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.840
<v Speaker 4>thing to play, just to like guss you up for

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<v Speaker 4>a second, to play somebody that's so coming from such

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<v Speaker 4>a place of earnestness, as someone who plays a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of characters that are very earnest and is a very

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<v Speaker 4>earnest person that people have don't have a lot of,

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<v Speaker 4>Like they don't have a lot of like a very

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<v Speaker 4>large tank for that, Like it fills up quickly for them.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think the fact that you made her feel

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<v Speaker 4>like a real person and sustained the character for so

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<v Speaker 4>long and let us like go on the journey with

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<v Speaker 4>her and lived in that space so consistently, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>a really challenging, impressive thing today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that an interesting thing about society that people are

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<v Speaker 1>so funny about kind of like earnest, open hearted characters.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, it's one of my least favorite cultural shifts.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say everything is cringe unless there's an apathy

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<v Speaker 4>to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it makes me want to cry.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not the best.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like people do really really love Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad and I love you and your characters.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like you have to just keep on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And even if people want

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<v Speaker 1>to be critical and say like cringe, cringe, this, cringe whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, or she's not believable or whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is that they say, you just have to hang on

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<v Speaker 1>and just do it anyway, because if it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Coming from a place of love and optimism, there's no

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<v Speaker 4>there's no downside, right, It's just a ad positive to

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<v Speaker 4>the world. Yes, thank you, ye, yeah, of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course that's very healing conversation for me to have.

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<v Speaker 2>True at this time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's true. That's why identify with her so much, asked

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<v Speaker 4>my husband. I'm very earnest in our home.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I think you have permission to be

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<v Speaker 1>earnest anywhere you want to be earnest, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, also, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>on whatever it's gonna air, it drops after and just

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<v Speaker 1>like that is finished.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, the whole thing will be done. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I only have the last two to see, so I

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<v Speaker 4>don't I don't, I don't want to hear. But I'm

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<v Speaker 4>very anxious, too, very anxious to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, yes, I haven't seen either. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a big chapter, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, and it's a bit of a shock, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm trying to keep myself together.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand. Yes, I have this portrait in my family's

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<v Speaker 4>house of this clown, this like crying clown that was

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<v Speaker 4>in my grandparents' house because you know, the whole familiarity

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<v Speaker 4>is yes, so like the end of every show because

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<v Speaker 4>I you know, since I've been doing this since I

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<v Speaker 4>was a kid. So every time a shoot finishes, or

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<v Speaker 4>especially when you're doing a musical for like, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>intense and you're like breaking with a family every time,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like it's a whole uh, whole thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>a loss in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>The good news with this is that we have already.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were done a few times, and the

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<v Speaker 1>joy of life is that we're never done in life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, of course, So everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, what's it like to get back together? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we were getting back together on.

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<v Speaker 2>The set, but we have been together the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye friendships, Yeah, life, thank god, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very special.

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<v Speaker 1>The pain is that I love making what we make,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's sad not to make what we make, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>like I would make whatever we wanted to make with

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<v Speaker 1>these people until I die.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, if I was given that choice.

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<v Speaker 4>When you find a happy, like fulfilling environment you never

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to know and far between.

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<v Speaker 1>It is true, as much as everyone tries to be

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<v Speaker 1>that in our industry, it's not always going to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, you can have a great time and

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<v Speaker 1>it cannot turn out well, or.

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<v Speaker 4>You can make something incredible that everybody loves and it

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<v Speaker 4>was a miserable.

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<v Speaker 1>Experience exactly, which often is the case.

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<v Speaker 3>I find right like it's weird find.

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<v Speaker 1>The definitely definitely. Anyway, thank you, thank you. We're having

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<v Speaker 1>some therapy on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm here for.

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<v Speaker 2>That much?

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, we're going to go back to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode La de lure Exqueeze, which aired in nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>which is crazy to say that.

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<v Speaker 4>Out loud, right, I mean, I don't know, I was

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<v Speaker 4>six years old. I realistically probably watched it somewhere like

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<v Speaker 4>two thousand and NINEY ten got it?

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<v Speaker 1>And how did you start to watch?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>The sisters had it on?

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<v Speaker 4>So my sisters watched, especially my oldest sister Smantha, watched

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<v Speaker 4>it like in real time, and I always knew it

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<v Speaker 4>sort of in the background of my life, but I

0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 4>was obviously a little mature for me. And then when

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 4>I was in like, you know, early high school and

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<v Speaker 4>figuring out who I was as a queer person and

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<v Speaker 4>developing my own taste and wanting to watch something that

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<v Speaker 4>I thought was funny and culturally interesting, and it sort

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<v Speaker 4>of like came back into my mind. And again because

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<v Speaker 4>my sisters, it's always there, like they have trivia games

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<v Speaker 4>and merch and so it's always was there in the

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<v Speaker 4>back of my head. And so I started to watch it,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I used to watch it every night before

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<v Speaker 4>I went to sleep and just burned through the series.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it.

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<v Speaker 4>And then since then, I'm you know, I can't really

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<v Speaker 4>count on my hands how many times I've gone through

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<v Speaker 4>and watched it.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>I probably have a lot more memorized than you.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is great, And that's what I started to say. Also,

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it is now comfort food, comfort watch

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<v Speaker 1>for people. If you had told us this in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>we never would have believed you. Like for us, you know,

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 1>people were like so upset with us in the beginning,

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.679
<v Speaker 1>which people forget now, right they think like, oh, of

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<v Speaker 1>course it was amazing in the beginning. No, everyone was like,

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<v Speaker 1>who are these women? Who do they think they are?

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to ask if it was how it

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<v Speaker 4>was received initially because the other show that I always

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<v Speaker 4>returned to and that I'm obsessed with as Girls, which

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<v Speaker 4>is sort of like a metaphorical cousin of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, you know, I think Lena's brilliant, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was sort of a similar thing. I mean, I loved

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<v Speaker 4>it the first time around, but where I think people

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:47.400
<v Speaker 4>are rediscovering it and reappreciating how daring it was interesting

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 4>and original, And I feel like this is maybe sort

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<v Speaker 4>of the same thing of like maybe we didn't appreciate

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<v Speaker 4>quite at the time, like to center these women and

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<v Speaker 4>the way you were centering them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was so shocking in the beginning. And really,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think that this is something I'm thinking a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about now. Our world has changed so drastically with

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<v Speaker 1>social media right where literally everyone is a critic and

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:09.920
<v Speaker 1>everyone has a platform.

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<v Speaker 2>Right back then, there.

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<v Speaker 1>Were like a handful of white men critics predominantly, maybe

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.919
<v Speaker 1>a few others at the big newspapers. This was the

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.120
<v Speaker 1>thing or the magazines, right, so we knew we had

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<v Speaker 1>filmed the whole first season before it had aired.

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 4>There was no pilot situation. It was just we did.

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<v Speaker 1>Film a pilot, and then they took like a year,

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<v Speaker 1>a year and a half something in my mind, too

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<v Speaker 1>long to pick it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But they did pick it up.

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<v Speaker 4>You shot the pilot, went away for a year, So

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<v Speaker 4>the second episode is a year later.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to go rewatch it roughly roughly Sarah's Harrah's

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<v Speaker 1>Brown in the pilot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I remember, yes, now she tells me.

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<v Speaker 1>That I might be wrong, But this is like nineteen

0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 1>ninety ninety seven that we filmed the pilot. No one

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<v Speaker 1>can find the paperwork, like they exist somewhere, and I

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 1>forgot to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Albrecht was running HBO there.

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<v Speaker 4>They were still analog at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We had to wait, Willy and I waited at the

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<v Speaker 1>test for our very thick contract seven year contracts to

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<v Speaker 1>be printed by the fax machine because the fax machine broke,

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and so we had to wait and wait and wait.

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<v Speaker 1>No one was allowed to go in until you had

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<v Speaker 1>your your big contract.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember the other people that were testing against you.

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<v Speaker 1>It was no one. Well, there was one girl who

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<v Speaker 1>was there testing against me, though I really didn't perceive

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<v Speaker 1>it that way because in my mind I was one

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent Charlotte and no one was going to come close.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do know another actress who's really wonderful who

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<v Speaker 1>ended up being on another HBO show, who I do

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<v Speaker 1>think tested, though she wasn't there, which was good because

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn know her, and that would have been weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Parry Reeves. Do you know Perry Reeves? Yeah, yeah, Perry

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 2>was in the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>Would have been perfect and wonderful. But at the time

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, back everyone up, because I'm getting his part.

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<v Speaker 4>As soon as you read it, you were like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is for me, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But luckily Willy was there, so he was entertaining me

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.159
<v Speaker 1>and I was not freaking out in the way that

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I would have been. And and there was a guy

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.400
<v Speaker 1>there who ended up being he was reading from mister Big,

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>but he ended up being BIG's toxic friend, who would

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>be like that bitch I dinner at I think so

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>is he that there's he has two toxic friends.

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<v Speaker 4>He always has a toxic friends exactly.

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 1>But this was like the really handsome guy. I cannot

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 1>remember his name right now. Anyway, he was there, and

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Willy was there, and then maybe like two other women

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like a potential Samantha, because I think at

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that point Kim had said no until people were stressing

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>about that anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that, you know, the buildings, the tall buildings

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<v Speaker 1>in Century City, the twin Yeah, it was when HBO

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<v Speaker 1>was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I know. So whenever I drive by, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the beginning, the beginning anyway, back to the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're here, and uh, the idea here is that.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I want to say this, do you

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>know Alison Andrews the director, Alison and Andrews directed this.

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<v Speaker 1>She was an indie film. This isn't our indie film era.

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>We had an indie film era in the beginning, like

0:25:56.200 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Nicole Holofsoner of course, recoize that was our that was

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<v Speaker 1>our gig for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we start mixing in the sopranos guys. So we

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<v Speaker 1>got Ellen Colter, Alan Taylor, you know a bunch of

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, Van Patton, Timmy Van Patten, amazing, amazing.

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.239
<v Speaker 1>So then wed we kind of shift a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we get this incredible Charles mcdogal British guy,

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 1>like amazing. But then we've still got like indie women,

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 1>which was great. And Allison was one of those gas

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>food logs was big in the nineties and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like right before this, and I can't remember that much

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 1>about it, except that she was so cool. She had

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>tattoos everywhere, and she was She's like like a mommy,

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>like a mommy presence, but funny and offbeat mommy and so.

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:39.880
<v Speaker 4>Like a really well directed episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Okay, let's let's talk about the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So this this episode is directed by Alison Anders, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's written by someone named Allie Levy, and I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who that is. Like sometimes I'm just

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>like I names, I'm like, oh, I don't know who

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>this person was.

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 4>Was it like a room and then different people would write.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they had a room, and it's Michael Patrick

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and Oli Levey and they would have a room beforehand.

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 1>And then when we were working in the beginning, it

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>was Darren and Michael. Then Jenny joined. Soon Cindy comes

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 1>but not quite yet. I don't think Cyndy shoot pack.

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>And then Cindy and Jenny become executive producers as well,

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and then slowly we start adding in people that last, right,

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>but I'm sorry, Olie Levy was not one of those

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>people who lasted, or maybe had just been in the

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>room exactly. So this also we've got some incredible guest stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Will Arnett very funny, little Babyface, Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>My god, really funny, and it's so.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, so dreamy, so well cast, so well cast, so

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<v Speaker 1>well cast. And James Urbaniac. Yeah, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing his name right.

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 4>I think it's Urbaniac, thank you so much, or.

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Baniac that sounds better.

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 1>And weirdly, both of those people end.

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Up on the Office.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, isn't that crazy?

0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 4>That is bizarre?

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Another show I love so much.

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 4>And I also really like James on Difficult People. If

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 4>you haven't watch Difficult People, it's a really funny show.

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 4>Julie Klausner Cole Oh really really like satirical funny.

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 1>She's very good at that. So the thing that I

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>find really funny about this, and we're going to be

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>technically rewatching, but I just want to say that, you know,

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing with the Internet and the feet.

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 4>Yes, uh huh, of course, wiki feet.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all of it right, like to the point

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>where I have some lovely girls I call them my

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 1>digital girlies, and they come over and help me film

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>stuff for social media and they cut my feet out

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of everything, and I'm like, why do you guys, it's

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>like the best part of the outphit. Why are you

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>putting my feet out?

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>They're like, we can't.

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>We can't put any feet of any of our any

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>of our people on.

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, is that bad? And they were like, yes,

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>is that bad?

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<v Speaker 4>The Internet is the show, but it's.

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Like an early version of it that this shoe salesman

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>is willing to give Charlotte free shoes if she tries

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>shoes on.

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 4>I know.

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 1>And then we have this really awkward scene where he's

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>theoretically potentially having experience. Though I remember so much stress

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>about how we were going to do that that it

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just going to be awful.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to say, it's very funny, tasteful, uncomfortable.

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 4>I think it's And James does a.

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<v Speaker 3>Really great He does a great, great job.

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>He does a great, great job. And I do not

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>think I was that nice to him. I'm just really honest.

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that I was not in love with this storyline.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you were probably feeling really anxious about it.

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I was feeling very anxious and like what are we

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>literally actually doing right now? Like I get the theme

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of the show, but like like what like what and

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember that, like, you know, he massages my feet

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>at one point. I don't think he I don't know

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>what he wanted or what he didn't want.

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Because also I was just like what.

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I remember them saying to me, like he's a really

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>big deal in the indie film world, like be nice

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to him, and I'm like, I'm I'm having trouble, like

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>because to me, and I don't really think of myself

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>at all as a method actor, but like I am.

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 4>Very introduced him as this guy exactly.

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, by the the storyline, like it's very hard to

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>jump over.

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's your first context for.

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Someone, right, and you don't have any other context for them,

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>do you mean it's not like we're hanging out enough

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>in a different setting or whatever. Anyway, I was really stressed,

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>really stressed about this, but I think when I watch

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>it that it works.

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 4>It really does work. And also again to bring like

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 4>only a character that's as pure hearted a naive as Charlotte.

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 4>Could we watch go through that and be like, oh,

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 4>you poor thing, Like totally I get why you're saying, Yes,

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 4>they're gorgeously you know what I mean, like we go

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 4>on the journey with her.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, that was my other thing.

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Is like would she say yes? And I mean but

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the way he plays it too, it's pretty charming. Yeah,

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>it is considering what he's actually asking, like he goes

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>about it in a way that isn't like.

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh, there's an elegance to him.

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Definitely that matches up.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 4>With her that you think, And it doesn't really start

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 4>to turn that corner until the very end.

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 3>That and then it's not as horrific as it could

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 3>have been.

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, not at all, not at all. So anyway,

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>thank you.

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 4>That was good.

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.719
<v Speaker 1>We just did Charlotte storyline. Now, someone else pointed out

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to me, Samantha doesn't really have a storyline.

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 4>No, she kind of opens the episode and then that's it, right,

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 4>But she's.

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Got that whip, which is fantastic. But I think it's

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>important to mention and this is something that one time

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I was doing one of these and I was like, wait,

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>where's Charlotte storyline? She didn't have one right because we

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>had storyline ABCD. Because there were four of us and

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the show's only twenty two minutes. It's insane what they

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>were able to get in there.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 4>It's true.

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>But one thing that I've been watching the development of

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>is that as writers, what they started developing, and it

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>hasn't totally gelled.

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>In this episode.

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>We have a theme in this episode that's very very

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>accurate and excellent for the different you know, storylines, But

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>what starts happening as we go is the voiceover. She'll

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>say something like and then uptown and they'll cut to

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>me uptown and downtown. They'll cut to Samantha downtown and

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, on the East Side or whatever. They'll be Cynthia,

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're really really quick and they pull it all together.

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>But we're not totally firing on all those right now.

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>So some people might have the d storyline, which is

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>very much less and so that would have been Samantha.

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>But then usually what we're doing is filming two episodes

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>at once so that we can crossboard the locations because

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>in New York the locations are the thing, of course,

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>so we can have one restaurant where we're outside maybe

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that restaurant, and then inside that restaurant pretend, Yeah, we

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>might pretend it's a different place, so we might dress

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a corner of the restaurant differently so it doesn't look

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>so identifiable. And you probably have a good storyline in

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the other episode if you didn't have a storyline in

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the one. But it's hard. It's hard when you're watching it,

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>of course to know that or whatever. But it's not

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>like anyone was meaning to leave.

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Some mean that just like me, But it's still finding

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 4>it's it's juice and like exactly, there are those magic

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 4>episodes where it's like all four stories are really like

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 4>inherent to the theme and they all feel like really

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 4>irrevocable from each other.

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>And the reason in this particular episode that there's not

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>as much time is because the carry and big storyline.

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 4>It's a big turning point is massive. It's one of

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 4>the biggest turn point.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 3>And it is so unbelievably good.

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 4>It's really good.

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>And Sir Jessica, if she hadn't been winning awards, which

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>actually at this point she hadn't been, completely one needs

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>one for this particular episode.

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, really amazing. I mean, let's just start with the meme.

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's a very popular meme. Carry out the

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 4>door with the hat.

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, as well it should be.

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>And can you believe his reaction.

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 4>Like like to, well, that's kind of why they were

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 4>so exactly because he lets her come to him.

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 3>It's so bad.

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 4>It makes us hate him.

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 3>I hate him so much.

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I want her to beat him with.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 4>That when we get it, because we're like, listen.

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>We've all been there there, We've all been there.

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 4>Wanted to be the chaser.

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't know this was.

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>A meme, but I totally get it.

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, it's you'll search it after we do this, Yeah,

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 4>I will.

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I will because her with that outfit, with that whip

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>in that hat is good because.

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 4>Then she appears to the door again with the beret

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 4>and the McDonald's which is also mean, which.

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I totally get that one, so and I mean, I

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>get them both. But the thing that's funny with the

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Big thing is so when I first started with the

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>first season, I'm like, big is so awful. Big is

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>so awful. It was really this huge thing for me

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>because I had never second guessed it ever. Obviously I

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>was in it, but obviously we've all known bigs and

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>or different versions of big.

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 4>Of course we are.

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's like very frecking truth, yes, yeah, of course

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>annoying of course. So I'm very identified with Carrie.

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.720
<v Speaker 4>Through all of this, right, I mean we all right, right.

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>And that's why she's such an incredible character, and whoever

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 1>wants to criticize her can just like whatever.

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of that comes from people recognizing

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 4>things within themselves that they don't like that they see

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:36.479
<v Speaker 4>mirrored by.

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Care how much.

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 3>How M sure I love it.

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 4>I love heroes that are complicated, much like not to

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:43.760
<v Speaker 4>always bring it back to girls, but much like Hannah

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 4>Horvath on Girls, who's also does a lot of challenging things.

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 4>But we all do challenging things.

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent, and it might be hard to accept

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 1>those sides of ourselves.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 4>But that's a much more interesting person than just absolutely well.

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Also, we would never have a show no, Like, have

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you seen there's some guy on instagram ed or TikTok

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>who is like, this is how people want Carrie to be.

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 3>She's like, it's really really funny.

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm gonna call my therapist. I'm not going

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.319
<v Speaker 1>to call my friends to talk to them about Big.

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call my therapist and I'm not gonna go.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>It's really really entertaining. Anyway, Back to the show. Back

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to the show, So what I love so so so much. So, Okay,

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>we start the show. The first season, I've been like,

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>BIG's awful. That's basically every episode. Then the second the

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>second season, he's amazing.

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:36.280
<v Speaker 4>He starts to come around.

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh thank god, he's so charming and they're so great together,

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and I was so happy. Then we have this beginning

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 1>of this episode, she's there in that outfit and he's

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 1>just like blah blah, which obviously then is the engine

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that you know, pushes her to the wall where she

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>finally says all the things she's been wanting to say

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and realizes her own issues in terms of trying again

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and again and again to get him to do to.

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 4>Be considered in his life in a real way.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Oh my god, you're hired to be here every week, Ben.

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 3>But what I love so here.

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I am not remembering the episode right and just starting

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>from the top and being like, oh my god, I

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>don't remember being at that bar. This must be the

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that people keep talking to me about. That's nnbar

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and look at my hair. That's hysterical that I say.

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>She's like, what's your kinking him? Like a king?

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 3>My hair?

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 2>It's so Charlotte.

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 4>It's perfect.

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.479
<v Speaker 1>It's so perfect, and I love it so much. Don't

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:32.280
<v Speaker 1>remember any of it, amazing, remember all the shoe things.

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Don't remember that.

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 4>You don't remember the spanking, the waiter, you don't remember

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 4>the guy tied up in the chain.

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Nothing. I'm sure it's five am. It might be seven am,

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.760
<v Speaker 1>like we were all night every night and all those things.

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I have no memory whatsoever, which is interesting because you

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>think i'd remember that.

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:51.719
<v Speaker 4>No, it kind of makes sense to me that like

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 4>the things that we would consider to be the like shocking,

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 4>like oh you must remember this like slacious thing. It's like, no,

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 4>you probably remember this like two hand or thing that

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 4>you couldn't get and it was four and the more like.

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>You definitely, definitely it is true.

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 2>It is true.

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>And also I think because I was, you know, nervous

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and confused about my own storyline, that I that I

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that you know that took my attention. And I also

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>do remember the scene that you're talking about where it's

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the three of us walking and talking because I was

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:20.879
<v Speaker 1>so excited to be there because sometimes Charlotte's left out

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.879
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm here for you, like even

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>when you were doing just like that, if Miranda and

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Carrie had to walk and talk and be like why

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>am I not there? And now that I'm rewatching, I

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 1>realized that the Miranda Carrie storyline of walking and talking

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 1>is a through line that is so powerful. It is

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>really amazing.

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 4>A couple of friends walked a couple of blocks. You

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 4>just wait, you have so much I mean, I.

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Know, right, But also it's because their dynamic is so

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.879
<v Speaker 1>interesting and Miranda really tells her the truth, like people

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>are like, well, why didn't people stand up to carry

0:37:53.080 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 1>They did Miranda especially all the time. So Carrie has

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>this scene where she goes to Big in her incredible

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 1>outfit and she's trying to be funny and fun and sexy.

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 4>The night goes okay, I think they like, they hook up,

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 4>they sleep together, and then in the morning he just

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 4>drops the bomb.

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>That he but he's only going to pairs. She asks

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>him if he will go if he wants to do

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 1>a Hampden Share, because Charlotte has asked her to do

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 1>a Hampden Share and he says, oh, I can't because

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:29.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to Paris, and she's like what. And she's

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 1>standing on the bed and then she leans forward, which

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>is so cool and interesting because you know, most directors

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>would be like, don't stand on the bed, you know,

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>but this is why the show is so awesome.

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:38.839
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, she's standing on.

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 1>The bed in her cute vintage slip which I love

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>so much. And she is so good and so deeply

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, upset and thrown and trying to hold it together.

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 4>She's really good at I mean, she's an amazing actor altogether. Yes,

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 4>she's really good, specifically at receiving information which I always

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 4>think is a really hard thing information that you know

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 4>as a person, as human being, you already know that,

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 4>like making it feel like it's being heard for the

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 4>first time. Yes, she's expert at that.

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>She is expert at hearing it and also expert at covering.

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>But also it's just enough covering that the audience is

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:14.359
<v Speaker 1>with her.

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 4>They know what she's going through it.

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, It's a very very fine line to walk. And

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 1>she's amazing. Yeah, I mean I always knew this, but

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>rewatching him like even more, wow, wow, wow.

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, then he.

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Says, Oh yeah, it might be for years.

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 3>He's such a dick.

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm so mad at him.

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I know, I get so mad at him.

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:37.719
<v Speaker 4>It's the avoidant. It's the like emotionally unavailable avoidant, like

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 4>like it's just the way. It's the way. It's first

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 4>of all, it's not like relationship ending to say, my

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 4>work is going to take me to Paris, and I

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 4>think we're in a weird space where I don't know

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 4>how to handle that and I don't think it's time

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 4>for you to move, but maybe like it's it's he

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 4>doesn't have any of that language. It's just like I

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:54.799
<v Speaker 4>have to be able to just throw things out and

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 4>like do what I.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Want, right, I'm going to do it absolutely absolutely. He

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't take her into consideration in any way, shape or form,

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>which is why she does what she does the rest

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of the episode, which thank god, right, thank god. Okay,

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:10.839
<v Speaker 1>oh wait, I have to I have to bring up

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Stanford for a second.

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 4>Of course, love my storyline so much, so much, and

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, I was like young queer person figuring myself

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.399
<v Speaker 4>out and doing my first dating and stuff and what

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 4>so like to see it's just like a regular sweet

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 4>like not mister perfect superhero man, like go out and

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 4>try to like have an experience like that. It was

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 4>so wonderful.

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 2>And it's like.

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Before the apps, right, so he's online.

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 4>I know it's like proto apps.

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 3>I know it's the cute big tool for you, big

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 3>tool for you.

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, It's so good. And the way that

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Willy does it is just.

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 4>So sweet, so sweet. He just wants connection.

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:51.280
<v Speaker 3>I know, he just wants connection.

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And he's intimidated, which I understand so much from a

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>straight woman, but also from a gay man obviously many

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>gay man friends, and the pressure is re.

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, of course, especially the body stuff, like

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 4>specifically having it be a story where he has to

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 4>He's like, in order to have this experience, he got

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 4>a strip down and just bear it all and then

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 4>he has a really great, like flirty encounter. It's just

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 4>like so affirming. It's really so.

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Affirming and beautiful in the way he does it is

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.719
<v Speaker 1>just so good. And another thing that I didn't really

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 1>realize at the time, because Willie was straight and stressed

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes about how to play Stanford. I think he'd be

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>okay with me saying this. I hope so he and

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.959
<v Speaker 1>I were going to do a rewatch podcast. I know, yes,

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the week that we decided to do and just like that,

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>we were supposed to sign our contract. Wow, I know

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>we stuf cry together. It's gonna be bad.

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna have trouble's he's around, I know.

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>So we were gonna do a rewatch podcast, which would

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.879
<v Speaker 1>have been so much fun. Yeah, but he was really

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>worried because he thought he was going to get in

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.919
<v Speaker 1>trouble because he had like no filter in life.

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't did you get to work with him?

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.399
<v Speaker 4>No? I just admire him from this but never.

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh my god, oh my god. Incredible human being

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>and funny and cutting, like super smart and cutting in

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:06.320
<v Speaker 1>life that comes across. Yeah, I mean, Stanford is incredibly sweet. Comparabily,

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Willy was sweet, but like could also like cut to

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 1>the bone, do you know what I mean? Sounds Oh,

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:13.920
<v Speaker 1>love it, love it, love it. So we were going

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to do this podcast together and he he had said

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 1>to me after we ended up doing and just like

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.399
<v Speaker 1>that instead, basically it seemed too weird to do both

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and we didn't think we'd have time,

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>which is true. And I didn't know that Willy was

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:30.319
<v Speaker 1>sick at the time that Willy knew, and he he

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:32.320
<v Speaker 1>said to me one of the things he was worried

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>about was that when he signed on to play Stanford,

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 1>in his mind, Stanford was gay, but it wasn't the

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 1>whole like essence of him. He was in this world

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 1>equals yeah. And then there were times he felt that

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 1>certain people encouraged him to be more flamboyantly gay than

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>he had wanted to be originally. And there was a

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 1>person's that Stanford was based on who was in our

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>world and would come to our parties and stuff, who

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, I ever would have ever known was gay.

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think he was like a lawyer or something

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>like he was, you know, Stanford's a manager vaguely of

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 1>models or whatever, vaguely.

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 4>The perfect underwear man.

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, the boner maybe something like this. But this guy

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>was not in any way flamboyantly gay. And the idea

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>was that Stanford was based on him in some vague way.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>And so Willie's struggle in the beginning was that sometimes

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:31.799
<v Speaker 1>people he felt would come up to.

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 2>And be like, gay it up, gay it up, and

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:34.919
<v Speaker 2>he felt like is that right? Is that wrong?

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do and he was worried

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>about talking about that because he didn't want to like

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 1>ruin Stanford for people or make people uncomfortable about it.

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>But when I look back on his performance, to me,

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 1>it's just the most beautiful balance.

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's so well calibrated, right, and I'm

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:56.359
<v Speaker 4>not you know, it's I think it's like a It's

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:57.919
<v Speaker 4>like a snowflake in terms of the whole like queer

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 4>people playing queer people, straight people think queer people. I

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 4>think it's case by case. Clearly there was plenty of

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 4>quer people in the creative like space making this feel

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 4>like a real person and writing him as a real person.

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:08.799
<v Speaker 4>Clearly Willy's coming out of with a lot of talent

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 4>and humanity. Like in this case, I see it as

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 4>such a positive representation of somebody who's also like, you know,

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 4>a neurotic and nabushy like me. So obviously I connect

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 4>to him, but just in terms of like an actual

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 4>person who's not just you know, I love a starky

0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:24.040
<v Speaker 4>gay assistant who's there to just be a starky gay assistant.

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 4>But but Stanford's like a whole person, So I really

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:27.919
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't agree more.

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad. I'm so glad You're the first person

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I felt safe to talk about this time.

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad. We should do this once a week.

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Me too, I mean, I really, I really like because

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>he's not in the show enough in the beginning, right,

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>like he comes and then he goes, and usually I'm

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 1>just like awed by just looking at his beautiful young self,

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, and remembering him. But this episode, because the

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>storyline is so beautifully written.

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 4>I love the two of them in the apartment. I'm

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.479
<v Speaker 4>drinking the Martiniz and him being honest about it with

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Sarah Jisica just like and you can with my girlfriends,

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, all they're.

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Friends from like when they're in their twenties and you

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>so feel it and she can't stop laughing.

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 3>It's so adorable, it is.

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad it's on film.

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 4>Me too. Isn't it a beautiful It is that that

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 4>that girl and gay best friend relationship is a very sacred.

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Special thing, sacred special thing, and it was.

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:20.719
<v Speaker 4>Like Anthony, but that's not absolutely.

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 1>But they all matter, of course, you know, And they're

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.839
<v Speaker 1>all different versions and they're all real to us and

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>we all have them, thank God, in our lives and

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>it's so important, so important. Okay, I'm gonna really try

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.359
<v Speaker 1>it to cry, I don't know about it. Okay, let's

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 1>get to carry and big because it's super important. This

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 1>whole episode is so incredible and I so relate to Carrie,

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:41.479
<v Speaker 1>and I so.

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Think Sir Jessica is just seking brilliant.

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I agree, like.

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.919
<v Speaker 1>So incredibly brilliant. And at this point in her life

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>she's happily married to Matthew, so he even still like

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>awes me the depth that she's pulling from, you know,

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 1>and when she throws that hamburger, which we're not, I mean,

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 1>it's so good.

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, Fish, yes, Li Big Mac Yes.

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 1>And I love Alison Andrews for making us all feel

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 1>so comfortable. What I see when I look at this

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 1>episode is all of us feeling very safe and comfortable

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and settled into our part at this point in the

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 1>second season.

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 4>And audience wise, you feel wish you always to a

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 4>certain extent you do, but particularly in this episode, like

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 4>in the room with people like in very into because

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 4>the show has a lot of style, so sometimes the

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.360
<v Speaker 4>like sharpness in the style can can create like a

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.240
<v Speaker 4>bit of remove and in a way that's I think intended.

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 4>But a lot of these like more messier emotional moments,

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 4>like in this episode, like I felt very like let in.

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent let in and out. I think a

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of that is Alison. Yeah, I think she's she

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.439
<v Speaker 1>was so chill and laid back, and I can see

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 1>that in Sarah, Like there's a there's a take where

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:52.959
<v Speaker 1>Sarah's got her computer but her legs are on either

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>side and the cameras behind her, Like it's creative and fun,

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and Sarah Jessica loves that stuff, you know, like give

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>her props, give let her do weird things with their body,

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Like she's.

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 4>So does how to make a space feel like she

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 4>really lives in that space because she's.

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>A very physical actor. You know, she's intellectual and physical.

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:12.240
<v Speaker 2>It's very interesting. It's very very interesting.

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting to watch your friends, Yeah, you know,

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 1>because you.

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.439
<v Speaker 4>Know them, right, that's the bast I mean, especially watching

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 4>a friend you love and respect. Like I made this

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.799
<v Speaker 4>movie Theater Camp with Noah, with my husband being part

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 4>of the you know, the cut process of that and

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, shooting and like just watching him work, like

0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.399
<v Speaker 4>it can be a really challenging thing when you're watching

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:32.800
<v Speaker 4>a friend or your person when there's not a belief

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:34.560
<v Speaker 4>in them or like there's there's like a criticis you

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, where it's like it's not a

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.879
<v Speaker 4>talent that you really believe in because it's that that's

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 4>how it makes that line is hard. But there's nothing

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.320
<v Speaker 4>more special than like someone you love as a person

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.720
<v Speaker 4>and you can really admire that there's have a special ability.

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, absolutely.

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So well here we are. We're with We're with

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Carrying Big, We're with krriying Big. Oh wait, should we

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.359
<v Speaker 1>talk about we should talk about the Will Arnett because

0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:01.280
<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty funny storyline, so good and so New York.

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:02.800
<v Speaker 4>New York. But I know what you're saying about the

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 4>episode sort of like that story I could kind of

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.320
<v Speaker 4>go anywhere totally. It's just its own little pocket.

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not totally a game. It's kind of a game

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 1>so funny. It's so funny. He wants to have sex

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and public places. So they meet at a bookstore basically

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the strand on the street talking about biography. So he

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 1>takes her to where Mark Twain wrote, which I think

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 1>we all know is New Yorkers. Like it's yes, right there,

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 1>We've all been there. I've never had sex there, and

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>he wants to have sex there, which is funny. And

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>then they have sex in a cab. That's a bit

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>of a stretch for me. Yes, which is very, very

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>very Cynthia though she wouldn't be having sex in the cab,

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but she is very directing of this.

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 4>Of course, drivers we can suspend this belief for the

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 4>show that they somehow made it happen in the back

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 4>of the cab.

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I'm sure people have. Of course, I

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:50.359
<v Speaker 1>have definitely made out in a one of the best

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 1>places to.

0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Make up, definitely, but not the rest.

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 4>She's a great on camera maker out her Cynthia will say,

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 4>I think she's amazing.

0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 2>She has no fear, she's not concern.

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes anxiety provoking away from.

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Me as her friend.

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Of course, yeah, I would be like, is anyone protecting

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:13.319
<v Speaker 1>her hearing because there's no intimacy coordinators as we know

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, just whatever, and she's like, yes,

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.479
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it. Yes, my feet are dirty, I don't

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 1>care film them. I'm like, didn't have anyone have a

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 1>what one? Come on? Anyway? That's me, that's me and

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I play Charlotte as very clear, very clear. Okay, So

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 1>here we are. We're Stanford confesses to carry about the cyber.

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Sex, which is so cute.

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 1>On the internet.

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 3>Big tool for you.

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 1>We've gone over all that. Then they have U. I'm

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>back at the shoe store and his name is Buster,

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of hysterical, like Buster Brown. I don't

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>know if anyone will get that reference at this point, but.

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 4>I know Buster Brown. But why Buster Brown in this?

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 2>They make shoes?

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Ah, okay, the youngsters.

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.399
<v Speaker 1>This is like from the forties. Okay, don't ask me

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>why we did that. But all right, I'm getting free shoes.

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 1>He's charming but slightly ew but that's okay. Then we

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 1>have this adorable walk and talk. I'm wearing my own

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.120
<v Speaker 1>shirts for some reason. Really, that's another thing I'm thinking

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 1>about you beginning. Yeah, we didn't have a lot of budget.

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.800
<v Speaker 1>You can see that it's getting better. The fashion is

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 1>getting better. But like sometimes I would go shopping and

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, I want Charloe to wear this. So

0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 1>then I just take it, you know, and try to

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 1>like it's a work in progress. Being pat figuring Charlotte

0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>out and being able to afford Charlotte.

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Basically, Charlotte has very expensive taste, very.

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Expensive taste, and I'm wearing this beautiful necklace. It's a butterfly,

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 1>it's got rubies, it's a vintage necklace. I wore it

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot. And then at the end of the season,

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>we're still trying to get press, which I know is

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>insane to think about now, I know, crazy, Yes, but

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:47.840
<v Speaker 1>we had to try. Anyone who would talk to us.

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 1>We'd be like, sure, ask us anything, do We'll do anything.

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Like at one point they were like, tell us your

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:56.439
<v Speaker 1>worst dates, which I unabashedly did, and Cynthia Nixon called

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>me and she was like, why did you tell them

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that story? Only as I don't know, I felt like

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I had to tell them something. She's like, don't ever

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 1>tell that story again.

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, okay, okay, Well now it's like the currency,

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, not to get off topic, but in terms

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 4>of like press tours and stuff, it's like that becomes

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 4>more important than the movie. It's one stories are you're

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:14.759
<v Speaker 4>telling and are you cool on camera? And I know,

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 4>is it viral? And is it is it the like

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 4>what about the what about the movie?

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.839
<v Speaker 3>Yes, totally true.

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we were on the like the forefront

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 1>of that happening totally, but we understood because they were

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to relate it to the show. You know what

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, like you as people, which is the lasting

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 1>power of the show, right, But then you're also giving

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 1>up your personal stories to whoever it is who's going

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 1>to present it however they're going to present it. I

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>think now the good news is you have more control

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 1>because you have your own social media, et cetera.

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm only asked like a few fan questions, but how

0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:01.399
<v Speaker 4>far into it was like being yourself around New York

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.359
<v Speaker 4>like not no longer possible, you know what I mean?

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do know what you mean. I would say

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.360
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, I don't remember getting difficult till third season.

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:16.120
<v Speaker 1>In my my third season is when we boomed. Other

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 1>people seem to feel that we were already the I

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:24.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't personally feel that. I mean, I had been on

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:27.879
<v Speaker 1>Melrose Place before that, right, which had its own kind

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.279
<v Speaker 1>of culty kind of following, So I had some of

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>that that would follow me.

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Wherever I was.

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 4>But I mean, like you became like emblems of New York.

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's true, and people always would say, oh, you know,

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:40.680
<v Speaker 1>no one in New York cares about actors.

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, not really true, not really true.

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>But that was because we were in New York's show

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and they felt like we were theirs, you know. But

0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I also feel now, well, no, it's different. Like in

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:57.160
<v Speaker 1>La I learned where to go and where not to go. Right,

0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Like Brentwood really easy. There's a lot of actors in Brentwood.

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:03.719
<v Speaker 4>It was cool, so segment, Like in New York, it's

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 4>sort of like you're out, You're out.

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're out.

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.760
<v Speaker 1>But there was a time where I realized I cannot

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 1>walk down Madison Avenue and that kind of sucked, you

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. But like if I walked.

0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Down I know, like if I walked.

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Down Madison Avenue, if I actually wanted to window gaze

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 1>or shop or whatever, I couldn't get anywhere, you know

0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:22.439
<v Speaker 1>what I mean.

0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 2>It was frustrating.

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was totally fine. I just had to be creative,

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. There was one time and

0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 1>then I'm gonna have.

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:30.919
<v Speaker 3>To get back to the show because you're too fun.

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.520
<v Speaker 1>There was one time we were shooting somewhere near Barney's

0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and Sara Jessica said.

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Hey, do you want to go shoe shopping online? And

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I was like definitely.

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 1>She said, let's leave our security behind. I was like, okay,

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 1>this is later when we got security. At this point

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>in time, we don't. We're just out there. Our trailers

0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:51.640
<v Speaker 1>would be on the street with our characters' names. And

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.919
<v Speaker 1>one day someone knocked on my door and I thought

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it was an ad so I opened the door and

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 1>it was some guy fan ish type person saying ask

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I shouldn't be talking. Yeah, it

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>was like kind of cuckoo. We changed all that as

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>time went, but the time that they're just going to

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 1>go to Barney's, we thought we could lose our security guys.

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:15.560
<v Speaker 1>We each had one at that point. Q was mine,

0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:16.359
<v Speaker 1>loving very much.

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Khalid was hers.

0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:19.839
<v Speaker 1>And she told Khalid she was going to have lunch

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 1>in her trailer and he could go have lunch, and

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.120
<v Speaker 1>then she snuck over to mine and we went, but

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Q followed us at a distance and we didn't know.

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:29.719
<v Speaker 1>But it was a good thing because we get the

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Barneys at lunch time and we're trying to try shoes.

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 4>So stupid, right.

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 1>So dumb. It's lunch hour in New York City at

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:42.919
<v Speaker 1>Barney's is packed with women and there's just a crowd.

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 4>Around, of course, and you're trying.

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:47.440
<v Speaker 3>I know, it's so stupid.

0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And at one point Q was hiding behind a pole

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and we just see him like do you need me?

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Like yes, just so we could get out of the building. Joes,

0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I know, right, And Barney, I mean it was fun.

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.400
<v Speaker 2>We were just trying to be girls for a minute, parties,

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, back to the all the episode.

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh my god, you're too much fun.

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Charlie, she's sure, we're good with that. I want

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:12.359
<v Speaker 1>to get too.

0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:15.839
<v Speaker 3>Big because this, to me is the fight at the end.

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So basically Carrie talks to us many times about

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 1>And this is when I think about the narcissistic Carrie situation,

0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:27.400
<v Speaker 1>right where for like a couple of years, it seemed

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.319
<v Speaker 1>like everyone just wanted to criticize Carry for being narcissistic.

0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>To me, first of all, I don't think she's narcissistic.

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:36.120
<v Speaker 3>I think that we're hearing everybody is a little bit.

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:37.160
<v Speaker 4>Let's just say that.

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's say she's not more so, yes.

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 4>And she's like twisting herself to try to be what

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.359
<v Speaker 4>he wants her to be. Exactly, which is, you know,

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 4>kind of a selfless thing to do.

0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm misguided, but yes, but we.

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 2>All do this.

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I have done this right. But also I think as

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 1>if you were part of the reason you feel like

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 1>carry's narcissistic is because you're hearing Carrie's thoughts, yeah, which

0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think people think about, like you're her head.

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 4>Were getting the whole internal monologue, right, So it's like

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:05.200
<v Speaker 4>if we were hearing that for each girl, we probably

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:05.480
<v Speaker 4>say the.

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Same exactly, because everyone's internal monologue is narcissistic, that's kind

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:10.879
<v Speaker 1>of yeah.

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:13.359
<v Speaker 4>And she becomes like such an omnipotent narrator that she's

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 4>sort of like helping us craft our judgments of what's

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 4>happening with the other.

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, that's a great point.

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:20.919
<v Speaker 4>Never thought about that. Thank you so much.

0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 1>So in this particular episode, she's like almost sending herself

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 1>up in terms of like there's all these quick cuts

0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:30.400
<v Speaker 1>where she's like talking to me and talking to Smith

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and talking to Marda and yeah.

0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.360
<v Speaker 3>And big and I just kept trying to be what

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:34.680
<v Speaker 3>do you want?

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Like, She's just going on and on and on, and

0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 1>it's actually really really funny because it's like an exaggeration

0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 1>of what everyone complained about later on.

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.239
<v Speaker 4>The first reaction is that like her banging the table

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:47.759
<v Speaker 4>and the diner with you guys, and I believe I'm

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:50.760
<v Speaker 4>here again. Yes, And then she does like the one

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 4>she like calls him drunk and like, you know, makes

0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:54.640
<v Speaker 4>the wrong move and then does the one ady of

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.200
<v Speaker 4>like being embarrassed and feeling ashamed about that. And so

0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:59.280
<v Speaker 4>then she's back with you guys and being like, actually,

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 4>you know what, like one am, it's Paris, Like it'll

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 4>be great, Like I'll go visit him.

0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:05.400
<v Speaker 1>She's taking because that's what Charlotte said. Originally it was like,

0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.719
<v Speaker 1>where's a big deal you can go to Paris. Yes,

0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:08.239
<v Speaker 1>she does her.

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 4>She goes through her seven stages while waiting for him

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 4>to come back. It's like we all spiral exactly that

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:14.399
<v Speaker 4>same way.

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:14.920
<v Speaker 3>That's so right.

0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Does she call him in this episode?

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 4>Yes, when she gets drunk with Stanford, Yeah, and the

0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 4>scene that I love God you've watched and then she

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:24.000
<v Speaker 4>she she calls him and it's like, you know, four

0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:28.040
<v Speaker 4>am in Paris, and she likes saying like a real thing,

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:29.720
<v Speaker 4>and it is like trying to be like, you're not considered.

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:31.360
<v Speaker 4>She's trying to say what she did later says, which

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 4>is like you can't factor me in your life. Yes,

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 4>but because she's d young, it just doesn't come out

0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 4>well and she she gets really embarrassed by it, and

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 4>then and exactly and so suddenly she's like, oh, am

0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:43.000
<v Speaker 4>I going to lose him? And so let me, let

0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 4>me try to reframe this. And then she's with you

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 4>guys walking and she's like, you're right, like like this,

0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 4>what am I freaking out about? Like what's the worst

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 4>thing about going to Paris with your boyfriend? Just like

0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:54.080
<v Speaker 4>doing her own like mental gymnastics to try to make

0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 4>it work with this guy who's giving her like nothing.

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I haven't all been there so much. So and then

0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:02.240
<v Speaker 1>he comes back. So that's when she comes in her

0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 1>adorable beret, her French outfit. Someone asked me how did

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Paris become this through line with them? And I think

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>it's all just because we all love Paris. I mean

0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I would have to ask Michael Batrick because I.

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 4>Think the first time we hear about it, this is the.

0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Beginning of what's going to be a very, very very

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:21.040
<v Speaker 1>long through line of Paris. Yes, I don't even want

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to say it ends exactly for decades. It's so important.

0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:26.400
<v Speaker 2>But who doesn't love Paris of coury.

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 4>I just went in the spring with my husband, the

0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:31.400
<v Speaker 4>first like adult proper trip there of my family and

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 4>I was a kid, but yeah, so dreaming.

0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:35.200
<v Speaker 1>We just went there all together to promote and just

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was incredible. It was incredible. It was incredible. So

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<v Speaker 1>he comes back, she's wearing her beret, she has the

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<v Speaker 1>match fish, and she apologizes, and she tells him that

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<v Speaker 1>she thinks they can make it work and that they

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<v Speaker 1>can have phone sex if he asked to move to Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>which is hysterical. Yeah, which is also funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Very funny in terms of and just like that, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he tells her something to the effect of,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to move to Paris because you're

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<v Speaker 1>expecting something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It literally makes me want to kill him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's I don't want you to uproot your life and

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<v Speaker 4>expect anything, right, It's like, excuse me, tall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so after the mental gymnastics, after all that she

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally has gotten through to try to get to that

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<v Speaker 1>point to say it can work. He's like, but don't

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<v Speaker 1>expect anything.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the thing with Big It's like, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it's one thing to be emotionally unavailable but be able

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<v Speaker 4>to articulate that you have that shortcoming, and it's another

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<v Speaker 4>thing to not have any words for it and to

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<v Speaker 4>just be abusive.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so at which point she takes back and smashes

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<v Speaker 1>it against the wall, which you know, hallelujah that she

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<v Speaker 1>does it right.

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<v Speaker 4>Satisfying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very satisfying, and he deserves that and so much more, really,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she says something like, I don't know if

0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:58.800
<v Speaker 1>she says this to him. Does she say, why is

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<v Speaker 1>it so hard for you to factor into your.

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<v Speaker 4>Lives in any real way?

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<v Speaker 2>Kills me?

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<v Speaker 4>And he has no good answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Really no, because he doesn't deserve her.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he does not. And then she said, you said

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<v Speaker 4>you said you love me, and he said I do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the why is it hurt so much? And

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<v Speaker 4>we're back to Ludolor squeeze.

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<v Speaker 1>We are and then and this made me upset and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't remember this. Then we cut to Stanford and

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<v Speaker 1>we have some other scenes, but then he comes to

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<v Speaker 1>her door in the middle of the night and she

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<v Speaker 1>lets him in.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't remember the ending.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she lets him in and they have sex.

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<v Speaker 4>They have this like unspoken goodbye, right, And I'm like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because I personally don't believe in goodbye sex.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not think you should have goodbye sex.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I ever have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have, and I didn't know it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it goodbye sex? If you don't know it's goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>They know it and you don't. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, because I'm Charlotte, right, it's some level, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? So I'm thinking that this

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<v Speaker 1>must mean it's going to be good now that we're okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't mean that it's like good by sex,

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<v Speaker 1>which is awful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's honest, but it's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's honest if you don't say it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just mean like, of course she of course they

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<v Speaker 4>would want like there was no closure, and he has

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<v Speaker 4>no ability to give them any closure because he's such

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<v Speaker 4>he has just like no, you know, he's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of growing to do totally, and so if if this

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<v Speaker 4>is the only kind of closure that's being offered, like

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<v Speaker 4>I would, I would understand, do you I mean I

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<v Speaker 4>do if I was Carrie and I was in that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a web.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she has a lot more understanding than I, personally

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen would ever have in that moment, because then she's

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there in her fantastic black bra in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, what are you doing over there? And

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<v Speaker 1>she's she's sitting there and me hearing her voice over

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<v Speaker 1>that she feels tied to the chair and she can't

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<v Speaker 1>get up because she knows it's over, yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 1>she wants He says, come back, and she says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to, but I can't. It's so good, really good,

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<v Speaker 1>And I so admire her Carrie's understanding, but also Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica's abilities in that scene to convey such emotion without

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<v Speaker 1>conveying it on her face.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Hm, like you can feel it all. But she's not

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<v Speaker 1>exhibiting it for him, you know what I'm saying. She's

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<v Speaker 1>protecting herself in the scene.

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<v Speaker 4>But you as a viewer, No, were the this is

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<v Speaker 4>my other fan question, I promise the last year, right, No,

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<v Speaker 4>were the voiceovers already recorded so that like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the scene, someone say something and

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<v Speaker 4>then you'll take time to think while we hear Sarah

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<v Speaker 4>say something, and then the like she has to then

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<v Speaker 4>match the timing once the cut's already there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So basically when you'd read the script, they'd be.

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<v Speaker 4>There, so we know what's being said, Yeah, we just

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<v Speaker 4>don't hear it yet correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she would go later and you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>ask Michael Patrick and Sarah And I think I should

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<v Speaker 1>ask them at some point how often they changed them

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know mean that would be interesting once you

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<v Speaker 4>see what you have. Yeah, But that's what I was

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<v Speaker 4>gonna say, Especially in this moment at the end, it's

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<v Speaker 4>like there's such a good synergy between like what she

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<v Speaker 4>knows we're hearing and what she's giving to him, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think a lot of that is her incredible abilities,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and incredibly deep thinking on where Carrie's at

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<v Speaker 1>and what Carrie's doing, and the sinking between Michael Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>and her and Darren too. I can't remember at what

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<v Speaker 1>point he's how active he is at this point, but

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<v Speaker 1>like even still ongoing, like they have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>private conversations about about this and kind of planning and discussing,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael Patrick was always very including to all of us, like,

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<v Speaker 1>even if none of us have credits except for Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and I think she's just executive consultant.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is kind of a made up title, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But even when we had no titles, he would always

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<v Speaker 1>come to us and say, this is the arc, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm thinking, and this is where I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to be thinking about going emotionally, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very inclusive in terms of that, which is an actor

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<v Speaker 1>so helpful. And then sometimes it would change, but as

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<v Speaker 1>a character, you didn't know that change was coming, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually great. Yeah, yeah, and you call you like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was supposed to have a baby when Miranda's also

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<v Speaker 1>having a baby, and then it didn't, I know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>That would have been such a different timeline, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I love what it ended up being, but

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<v Speaker 4>I mean too.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time I was really mad at him,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was like, no, she wants this, She's got ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean because I couldn't separate right from myself.

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<v Speaker 4>You have such love and empathy for her, you want

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<v Speaker 4>her to get what she wants, and she wanted it,

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<v Speaker 4>so it was even more exactly it.

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<v Speaker 3>Worked out as it should.

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<v Speaker 1>But he originally the idea was to contrast how that

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<v Speaker 1>you would mother. Yeah, and then what he said to me, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we still got that eventually, definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>And when he said to me, when you're at the.

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<v Speaker 4>Bar talking about motherhood, yes, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, But at the time he said to me, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of our other writers, all of

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<v Speaker 1>whom were women, by the time we get to those storylines,

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<v Speaker 1>no one had children yet. And he said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have enough storyline to do two because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have kids yet.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good to be us about writing. What you know

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<v Speaker 4>is a good right, it's a good thing, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You're such a joy.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much. This has been like my dream,

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<v Speaker 4>so fun, and thank you for answering all my questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me interview you are a font of knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>I so appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>And you're going to need the formative very special gift.

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<v Speaker 4>This show has brought a lot of community in I know,

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<v Speaker 4>another like another show for you to be on sounds

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<v Speaker 4>good internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever met Michael Patrick?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh randomly, I think I got a restaurant. Got it

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<v Speaker 4>justin said, you know, I'm a huge fan, but not

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<v Speaker 4>we've never really sat down.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm keeping a list. Let's just make sure we

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<v Speaker 1>officially ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you a Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I'm very much as.

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<v Speaker 1>Because how many people have written a song basically based

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<v Speaker 1>on their on their charlotteness.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I kind of win the crown.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you totally do well done, well done, well done,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I got of course.

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<v Speaker 1>E