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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Okay, you guys today, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us on Rus Charlotte. We have an incredible guest,

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Speaker 1: Ben Platt. He is almost an Egot winner. He has

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Speaker 1: a Tony, an Emmy and a Grammy, everything but the Oscar,

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Speaker 1: which I have every faith he will one day get.

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Speaker 1: You would know him from Dear Evan Hansen and also

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Speaker 1: Pitch Perfect he plays Benji and also he was on

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Speaker 1: the Politician Ryan Murphy series. I mean, he is incredible.

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Speaker 1: And he has this unbelievable concert at Radio City Music

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Speaker 1: Hall where he basically says that he's a Charlotte and

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Speaker 1: then he sings a song that he wrote about it.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to talk to him about that and

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Speaker 2: so much more.

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Speaker 1: Here is the incredible Ben Platte day.

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Speaker 3: It is very exciting.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: And we have a bunch of similarities or connections though

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Speaker 1: I have never officially met Ben, but what I have

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Speaker 1: just start with though, and I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: were aware of this, tell me so I fly a lot,

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Speaker 1: fly around a lot, and we had one season of

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Speaker 1: the show and just like that where it was during

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Speaker 1: the school year, so I was literally flying to LA

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Speaker 1: every weekend to see my kids. It was hard and

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Speaker 1: I was deliriously tired. So one flight, I'm on the

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Speaker 1: flight and there were some adorable young men on this flight.

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Speaker 2: I was like, they seem familiar, but.

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Speaker 1: I was so tired, and we take the whole flight.

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Speaker 1: There's some chatting going on. There's possibly a mother or

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Speaker 1: some boisterousness. I'm like, I don't know who they are,

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Speaker 1: but they're super interesting.

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Speaker 2: We get off and I'm like, oh, my god, I

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Speaker 2: think that's been.

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Speaker 3: Oh it was me, I think so and your husband. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean that you didn't notice me.

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Speaker 4: No, I would have bothered you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad because I was so mortified but they

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Speaker 1: didn't say hi to you.

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Speaker 4: I would have made you make a video for my

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Speaker 4: sister's Thank God and Heaven.

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Speaker 1: Because I thought to myself, like, I mean I was

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Speaker 1: in my like do not look at me phase, you

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Speaker 1: I was in like my.

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Speaker 4: Planes the most like it doesn't gifying zone to be

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Speaker 1: Because later on I felt so bad because I thought

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Speaker 1: that super adorable concert where you literally say that you

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Speaker 1: are a.

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Speaker 4: Charlotte, It's true, I do.

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Speaker 1: Everyone and their brother sent to me.

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Speaker 3: I wrote a whole song I don't tell us about it.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean I very much identified as Charlotte,

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Speaker 4: always have. I grew up with two sisters, as I said,

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Speaker 4: and I've most of the show memorized. So I just

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Speaker 4: it's very formative to me as as a gay person

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Speaker 4: Jewish family, and very much the m O culturally, as

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Speaker 4: obviously Charlotte becomes is you know, you got to find

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Speaker 4: and you know, it's all about like making a home

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Speaker 4: much consider myself a Charlotte. So I wrote this song

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Speaker 1: By Charles ah which I love so much, and it's

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Speaker 1: so beautiful in the concert, it's so so beautiful, and

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Speaker 1: people kept sending to me and I was like, this

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Speaker 3: But then I was like, yes, this, we need to

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Speaker 4: As soon as I heard this was the thing. Yay,

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you're doing this. By the way, someone

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Speaker 4: It's nice to have someone to chat about it with.

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Speaker 1: I do find this whole new. It's really amazing to

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Speaker 2: I hadn't been ready in a way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: It seems weird in a certain way to look back

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Speaker 2: Of course, But I had also never rewatched the show.

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Speaker 1: And in my mind, of course I love the show.

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Speaker 1: I always love the show. Everyone knows I love the show,

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Speaker 1: but when I watch it, I'm blown away by how

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Speaker 4: It's really good and whatever you do, it's really good.

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Speaker 3: Thank God, right, thank God.

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Speaker 1: Like it's such a gift as an actor to just

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Speaker 1: So I'm so lucky that I did say yes. I'm

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Speaker 1: so thankful that I did say yes.

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Speaker 4: And I so understand that having to have the right

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Speaker 4: be a person and separate and then come back to

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Speaker 4: it fresh and like I so understand like that you

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Speaker 1: And now it's very therapeutic, really, I would imagine, right,

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Speaker 1: it's so interesting and sometimes I remember nothing, like this

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Speaker 4: At way I watch it, does it put you back

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Speaker 4: on the day, Like do you think of do you

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Speaker 4: get the flashes of like work days and little.

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Speaker 1: Flashes, because that is the way actors remember things. I

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Speaker 1: remember like I was so hot that day, melting exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the La la de lure, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Good job. I doubt that I know, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I have no memory of this at all, no memory

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Speaker 3: Star Do you love it?

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Speaker 4: Of course? And I just love that that's her interpretation

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Speaker 4: is true to Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Always Charlotte is true to Charlotte.

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Speaker 4: We all four of them are. Also, why they're so

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Speaker 4: they're very true to their you know, their centers. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. I agree with one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: There are people in the world who do not agree.

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Speaker 4: Well with us. They can come to me, actually thought

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Speaker 3: I love that man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for putting yourself out there for us.

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Speaker 4: Should we go back and discuss Oh my God, of course.

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Speaker 4: I'm happily married. I want to tell the story I

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Speaker 1: How did you find your harry Golden Blat?

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Speaker 4: Well, we met. His name is Noa Galvin. He's very

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Speaker 1: I love it. I think you have permission to be

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Speaker 1: earnest anywhere you want to be earnest, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I want to say, also, this is going to be

443
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Speaker 1: on whatever it's gonna air, it drops after and just

444
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Speaker 1: like that is finished.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, the whole thing will be done. I mean,

446
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Speaker 4: I only have the last two to see, so I

447
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Speaker 4: don't I don't, I don't want to hear. But I'm

448
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Speaker 4: very anxious, too, very anxious to see.

449
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I haven't seen either. And you know,

450
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Speaker 1: it's hard.

451
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Speaker 3: It's hard.

452
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Speaker 4: It's a big chapter, it.

453
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Speaker 1: Is, and it's a bit of a shock, you know.

454
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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to keep myself together.

455
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Speaker 4: I understand. Yes, I have this portrait in my family's

456
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Speaker 4: house of this clown, this like crying clown that was

457
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Speaker 4: in my grandparents' house because you know, the whole familiarity

458
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Speaker 4: is yes, so like the end of every show because

459
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Speaker 4: I you know, since I've been doing this since I

460
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Speaker 4: was a kid. So every time a shoot finishes, or

461
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Speaker 4: especially when you're doing a musical for like, yeah, so

462
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Speaker 4: intense and you're like breaking with a family every time,

463
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Speaker 4: it's like it's a whole uh, whole thing. It's like

464
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Speaker 4: a loss in a way.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: The good news with this is that we have already.

467
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Speaker 1: I thought we were done a few times, and the

468
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Speaker 1: joy of life is that we're never done in life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, So everyone.

470
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Speaker 1: Was like, what's it like to get back together? Well,

471
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Speaker 1: we were getting back together on.

472
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Speaker 2: The set, but we have been together the whole time.

473
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Speaker 3: Ye friendships, Yeah, life, thank god, you know what I mean.

474
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Speaker 4: It's very special.

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Speaker 1: The pain is that I love making what we make,

476
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Speaker 1: so it's sad not to make what we make, of course,

477
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Speaker 1: like I would make whatever we wanted to make with

478
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Speaker 1: these people until I die.

479
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Speaker 2: Of course, if I was given that choice.

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Speaker 4: When you find a happy, like fulfilling environment you never

481
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Speaker 4: wanted to know and far between.

482
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Speaker 1: It is true, as much as everyone tries to be

483
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Speaker 1: that in our industry, it's not always going to Yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: And I mean, you can have a great time and

485
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Speaker 1: it cannot turn out well, or.

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Speaker 4: You can make something incredible that everybody loves and it

487
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Speaker 4: was a miserable.

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Speaker 1: Experience exactly, which often is the case.

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Speaker 3: I find right like it's weird find.

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Speaker 1: The definitely definitely. Anyway, thank you, thank you. We're having

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Speaker 1: some therapy on the podcast.

492
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Speaker 4: What I'm here for.

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Speaker 2: That much?

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Speaker 1: All right now, we're going to go back to this

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Speaker 1: episode La de lure Exqueeze, which aired in nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy to say that.

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Speaker 4: Out loud, right, I mean, I don't know, I was

498
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Speaker 4: six years old. I realistically probably watched it somewhere like

499
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Speaker 4: two thousand and NINEY ten got it?

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Speaker 1: And how did you start to watch?

501
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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 1: The sisters had it on?

503
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Speaker 4: So my sisters watched, especially my oldest sister Smantha, watched

504
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Speaker 4: it like in real time, and I always knew it

505
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Speaker 4: sort of in the background of my life, but I

506
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 4: was obviously a little mature for me. And then when

507
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Speaker 4: I was in like, you know, early high school and

508
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Speaker 4: figuring out who I was as a queer person and

509
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Speaker 4: developing my own taste and wanting to watch something that

510
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Speaker 4: I thought was funny and culturally interesting, and it sort

511
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Speaker 4: of like came back into my mind. And again because

512
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Speaker 4: my sisters, it's always there, like they have trivia games

513
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Speaker 4: and merch and so it's always was there in the

514
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Speaker 4: back of my head. And so I started to watch it,

515
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Speaker 4: and then I used to watch it every night before

516
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Speaker 4: I went to sleep and just burned through the series.

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Speaker 1: Love it.

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Speaker 4: And then since then, I'm you know, I can't really

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Speaker 4: count on my hands how many times I've gone through

520
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Speaker 4: and watched it.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

522
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 4: I probably have a lot more memorized than you.

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Speaker 1: Which is great, And that's what I started to say. Also,

524
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Speaker 1: the fact that it is now comfort food, comfort watch

525
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Speaker 1: for people. If you had told us this in the beginning,

526
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Speaker 1: we never would have believed you. Like for us, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: people were like so upset with us in the beginning,

528
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Speaker 1: which people forget now, right they think like, oh, of

529
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Speaker 1: course it was amazing in the beginning. No, everyone was like,

530
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Speaker 1: who are these women? Who do they think they are?

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Speaker 4: I was going to ask if it was how it

532
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Speaker 4: was received initially because the other show that I always

533
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Speaker 4: returned to and that I'm obsessed with as Girls, which

534
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Speaker 4: is sort of like a metaphorical cousin of the show.

535
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Speaker 4: And yes, you know, I think Lena's brilliant, and it

536
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 4: was sort of a similar thing. I mean, I loved

537
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Speaker 4: it the first time around, but where I think people

538
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Speaker 4: are rediscovering it and reappreciating how daring it was interesting

539
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Speaker 4: and original, And I feel like this is maybe sort

540
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Speaker 4: of the same thing of like maybe we didn't appreciate

541
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Speaker 4: quite at the time, like to center these women and

542
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Speaker 4: the way you were centering them.

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Speaker 1: I think it was so shocking in the beginning. And really,

544
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Speaker 1: if you think that this is something I'm thinking a

545
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Speaker 1: lot about now. Our world has changed so drastically with

546
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Speaker 1: social media right where literally everyone is a critic and

547
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: everyone has a platform.

548
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Speaker 2: Right back then, there.

549
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Speaker 1: Were like a handful of white men critics predominantly, maybe

550
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Speaker 1: a few others at the big newspapers. This was the

551
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Speaker 1: thing or the magazines, right, so we knew we had

552
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Speaker 1: filmed the whole first season before it had aired.

553
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Speaker 4: There was no pilot situation. It was just we did.

554
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Speaker 1: Film a pilot, and then they took like a year,

555
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Speaker 1: a year and a half something in my mind, too

556
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Speaker 1: long to pick it up.

557
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Speaker 2: But they did pick it up.

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Speaker 4: You shot the pilot, went away for a year, So

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Speaker 4: the second episode is a year later.

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Speaker 1: I got to go rewatch it roughly roughly Sarah's Harrah's

561
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Speaker 1: Brown in the pilot.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I remember, yes, now she tells me.

563
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Speaker 1: That I might be wrong, But this is like nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety ninety seven that we filmed the pilot. No one

565
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Speaker 1: can find the paperwork, like they exist somewhere, and I

566
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Speaker 1: forgot to ask.

567
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Speaker 2: Chris Albrecht was running HBO there.

568
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Speaker 4: They were still analog at the time.

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Speaker 1: We had to wait, Willy and I waited at the

570
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Speaker 1: test for our very thick contract seven year contracts to

571
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Speaker 1: be printed by the fax machine because the fax machine broke,

572
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Speaker 1: and so we had to wait and wait and wait.

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Speaker 1: No one was allowed to go in until you had

574
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Speaker 1: your your big contract.

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Speaker 4: You remember the other people that were testing against you.

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Speaker 1: It was no one. Well, there was one girl who

577
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Speaker 1: was there testing against me, though I really didn't perceive

578
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Speaker 1: it that way because in my mind I was one

579
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Speaker 1: hundred percent Charlotte and no one was going to come close.

580
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Speaker 1: So I do know another actress who's really wonderful who

581
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Speaker 1: ended up being on another HBO show, who I do

582
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Speaker 1: think tested, though she wasn't there, which was good because

583
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Speaker 1: I didn know her, and that would have been weird.

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Speaker 2: Parry Reeves. Do you know Perry Reeves? Yeah, yeah, Perry

585
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Speaker 2: was in the mix.

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Speaker 1: Would have been perfect and wonderful. But at the time

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Speaker 1: I was like, back everyone up, because I'm getting his part.

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Speaker 4: As soon as you read it, you were like, this

589
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Speaker 4: is for me, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: But luckily Willy was there, so he was entertaining me

591
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Speaker 1: and I was not freaking out in the way that

592
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Speaker 1: I would have been. And and there was a guy

593
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Speaker 1: there who ended up being he was reading from mister Big,

594
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Speaker 1: but he ended up being BIG's toxic friend, who would

595
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Speaker 1: be like that bitch I dinner at I think so

596
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Speaker 1: is he that there's he has two toxic friends.

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Speaker 4: He always has a toxic friends exactly.

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Speaker 1: But this was like the really handsome guy. I cannot

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Speaker 1: remember his name right now. Anyway, he was there, and

600
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Speaker 1: Willy was there, and then maybe like two other women

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Speaker 1: I think, like a potential Samantha, because I think at

602
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Speaker 1: that point Kim had said no until people were stressing

603
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Speaker 1: about that anyway.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It was that, you know, the buildings, the tall buildings

606
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Speaker 1: in Century City, the twin Yeah, it was when HBO

607
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Speaker 1: was there.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I know. So whenever I drive by, I'm.

609
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Speaker 1: Like the beginning, the beginning anyway, back to the episode.

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Speaker 1: So we're here, and uh, the idea here is that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say this, do you

612
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Speaker 1: know Alison Andrews the director, Alison and Andrews directed this.

613
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Speaker 1: She was an indie film. This isn't our indie film era.

614
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Speaker 1: We had an indie film era in the beginning, like

615
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Speaker 1: Nicole Holofsoner of course, recoize that was our that was

616
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Speaker 1: our gig for a while.

617
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: Cool.

618
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Speaker 1: Then we start mixing in the sopranos guys. So we

619
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Speaker 1: got Ellen Colter, Alan Taylor, you know a bunch of

620
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Speaker 1: oh my god, Van Patton, Timmy Van Patten, amazing, amazing.

621
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Speaker 1: So then wed we kind of shift a little bit,

622
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Speaker 1: and then we get this incredible Charles mcdogal British guy,

623
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Speaker 1: like amazing. But then we've still got like indie women,

624
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: which was great. And Allison was one of those gas

625
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: food logs was big in the nineties and it was

626
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Speaker 1: like right before this, and I can't remember that much

627
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Speaker 1: about it, except that she was so cool. She had

628
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Speaker 1: tattoos everywhere, and she was She's like like a mommy,

629
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Speaker 1: like a mommy presence, but funny and offbeat mommy and so.

630
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Speaker 4: Like a really well directed episode.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, let's let's talk about the episode.

632
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Speaker 1: So this this episode is directed by Alison Anders, and

633
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Speaker 1: it's written by someone named Allie Levy, and I'm sorry,

634
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Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. Like sometimes I'm just

635
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: like I names, I'm like, oh, I don't know who

636
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: this person was.

637
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: Was it like a room and then different people would write.

638
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: I think they had a room, and it's Michael Patrick

639
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: and Oli Levey and they would have a room beforehand.

640
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: And then when we were working in the beginning, it

641
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: was Darren and Michael. Then Jenny joined. Soon Cindy comes

642
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: but not quite yet. I don't think Cyndy shoot pack.

643
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: And then Cindy and Jenny become executive producers as well,

644
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: and then slowly we start adding in people that last, right,

645
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry, Olie Levy was not one of those

646
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: people who lasted, or maybe had just been in the

647
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: room exactly. So this also we've got some incredible guest stars.

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Speaker 1: Will Arnett very funny, little Babyface, Oh.

649
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: My god, really funny, and it's so.

650
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Speaker 1: Good, so dreamy, so well cast, so well cast, so

651
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: well cast. And James Urbaniac. Yeah, I don't know if

652
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: I'm seeing his name right.

653
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: I think it's Urbaniac, thank you so much, or.

654
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: Baniac that sounds better.

655
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Speaker 1: And weirdly, both of those people end.

656
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: Up on the Office.

657
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, isn't that crazy?

658
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 4: That is bizarre?

659
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: Another show I love so much.

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Speaker 4: And I also really like James on Difficult People. If

661
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Speaker 4: you haven't watch Difficult People, it's a really funny show.

662
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Speaker 4: Julie Klausner Cole Oh really really like satirical funny.

663
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: She's very good at that. So the thing that I

664
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: find really funny about this, and we're going to be

665
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: technically rewatching, but I just want to say that, you know,

666
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: the whole thing with the Internet and the feet.

667
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 4: Yes, uh huh, of course, wiki feet.

668
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean all of it right, like to the point

669
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: where I have some lovely girls I call them my

670
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: digital girlies, and they come over and help me film

671
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: stuff for social media and they cut my feet out

672
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: of everything, and I'm like, why do you guys, it's

673
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: like the best part of the outphit. Why are you

674
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: putting my feet out?

675
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: They're like, we can't.

676
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: We can't put any feet of any of our any

677
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: of our people on.

678
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, is that bad? And they were like, yes,

679
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: is that bad?

680
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: The Internet is the show, but it's.

681
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: Like an early version of it that this shoe salesman

682
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: is willing to give Charlotte free shoes if she tries

683
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: shoes on.

684
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: I know.

685
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: And then we have this really awkward scene where he's

686
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: theoretically potentially having experience. Though I remember so much stress

687
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: about how we were going to do that that it

688
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: wasn't just going to be awful.

689
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: I was going to say, it's very funny, tasteful, uncomfortable.

690
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: I think it's And James does a.

691
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: Really great He does a great, great job.

692
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: He does a great, great job. And I do not

693
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: think I was that nice to him. I'm just really honest.

694
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: I think that I was not in love with this storyline.

695
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were probably feeling really anxious about it.

696
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: I was feeling very anxious and like what are we

697
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: literally actually doing right now? Like I get the theme

698
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: of the show, but like like what like what and

699
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: I remember that, like, you know, he massages my feet

700
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: at one point. I don't think he I don't know

701
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: what he wanted or what he didn't want.

702
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: Because also I was just like what.

703
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: I remember them saying to me, like he's a really

704
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: big deal in the indie film world, like be nice

705
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: to him, and I'm like, I'm I'm having trouble, like

706
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: because to me, and I don't really think of myself

707
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: at all as a method actor, but like I am.

708
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: Very introduced him as this guy exactly.

709
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: Yes, by the the storyline, like it's very hard to

710
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: jump over.

711
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's your first context for.

712
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: Someone, right, and you don't have any other context for them,

713
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: do you mean it's not like we're hanging out enough

714
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: in a different setting or whatever. Anyway, I was really stressed,

715
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: really stressed about this, but I think when I watch

716
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: it that it works.

717
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: It really does work. And also again to bring like

718
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: only a character that's as pure hearted a naive as Charlotte.

719
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 4: Could we watch go through that and be like, oh,

720
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: you poor thing, Like totally I get why you're saying, Yes,

721
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: they're gorgeously you know what I mean, like we go

722
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: on the journey with her.

723
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: Well, that was my other thing.

724
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Is like would she say yes? And I mean but

725
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: the way he plays it too, it's pretty charming. Yeah,

726
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: it is considering what he's actually asking, like he goes

727
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: about it in a way that isn't like.

728
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 4: Oh, there's an elegance to him.

729
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: Definitely that matches up.

730
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 4: With her that you think, And it doesn't really start

731
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: to turn that corner until the very end.

732
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: That and then it's not as horrific as it could

733
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: have been.

734
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not at all, not at all. So anyway,

735
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: thank you.

736
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 4: That was good.

737
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: We just did Charlotte storyline. Now, someone else pointed out

738
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: to me, Samantha doesn't really have a storyline.

739
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: No, she kind of opens the episode and then that's it, right,

740
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: But she's.

741
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Got that whip, which is fantastic. But I think it's

742
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: important to mention and this is something that one time

743
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: I was doing one of these and I was like, wait,

744
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: where's Charlotte storyline? She didn't have one right because we

745
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: had storyline ABCD. Because there were four of us and

746
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: the show's only twenty two minutes. It's insane what they

747
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: were able to get in there.

748
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: It's true.

749
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: But one thing that I've been watching the development of

750
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: is that as writers, what they started developing, and it

751
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: hasn't totally gelled.

752
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: In this episode.

753
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: We have a theme in this episode that's very very

754
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: accurate and excellent for the different you know, storylines, But

755
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: what starts happening as we go is the voiceover. She'll

756
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: say something like and then uptown and they'll cut to

757
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: me uptown and downtown. They'll cut to Samantha downtown and

758
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, on the East Side or whatever. They'll be Cynthia,

759
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: and they're really really quick and they pull it all together.

760
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: But we're not totally firing on all those right now.

761
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: So some people might have the d storyline, which is

762
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: very much less and so that would have been Samantha.

763
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: But then usually what we're doing is filming two episodes

764
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: at once so that we can crossboard the locations because

765
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: in New York the locations are the thing, of course,

766
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: so we can have one restaurant where we're outside maybe

767
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: that restaurant, and then inside that restaurant pretend, Yeah, we

768
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: might pretend it's a different place, so we might dress

769
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: a corner of the restaurant differently so it doesn't look

770
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: so identifiable. And you probably have a good storyline in

771
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: the other episode if you didn't have a storyline in

772
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: the one. But it's hard. It's hard when you're watching it,

773
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: of course to know that or whatever. But it's not

774
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: like anyone was meaning to leave.

775
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 4: Some mean that just like me, But it's still finding

776
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: it's it's juice and like exactly, there are those magic

777
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: episodes where it's like all four stories are really like

778
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: inherent to the theme and they all feel like really

779
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: irrevocable from each other.

780
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: And the reason in this particular episode that there's not

781
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: as much time is because the carry and big storyline.

782
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: It's a big turning point is massive. It's one of

783
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: the biggest turn point.

784
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: And it is so unbelievably good.

785
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: It's really good.

786
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: And Sir Jessica, if she hadn't been winning awards, which

787
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: actually at this point she hadn't been, completely one needs

788
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: one for this particular episode.

789
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, really amazing. I mean, let's just start with the meme.

790
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: You know, it's a very popular meme. Carry out the

791
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: door with the hat.

792
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: Oh well, as well it should be.

793
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: And can you believe his reaction.

794
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: Like like to, well, that's kind of why they were

795
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: so exactly because he lets her come to him.

796
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: It's so bad.

797
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: It makes us hate him.

798
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: I hate him so much.

799
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: I want her to beat him with.

800
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: That when we get it, because we're like, listen.

801
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: We've all been there there, We've all been there.

802
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: Wanted to be the chaser.

803
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: And I didn't know this was.

804
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: A meme, but I totally get it.

805
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's you'll search it after we do this, Yeah,

806
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: I will.

807
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: I will because her with that outfit, with that whip

808
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: in that hat is good because.

809
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: Then she appears to the door again with the beret

810
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: and the McDonald's which is also mean, which.

811
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: I totally get that one, so and I mean, I

812
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: get them both. But the thing that's funny with the

813
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: Big thing is so when I first started with the

814
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: first season, I'm like, big is so awful. Big is

815
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: so awful. It was really this huge thing for me

816
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: because I had never second guessed it ever. Obviously I

817
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: was in it, but obviously we've all known bigs and

818
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: or different versions of big.

819
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 4: Of course we are.

820
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: Right, it's like very frecking truth, yes, yeah, of course

821
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: annoying of course. So I'm very identified with Carrie.

822
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 4: Through all of this, right, I mean we all right, right.

823
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: And that's why she's such an incredible character, and whoever

824
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: wants to criticize her can just like whatever.

825
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: I think a lot of that comes from people recognizing

826
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 4: things within themselves that they don't like that they see

827
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 4: mirrored by.

828
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: Care how much.

829
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: How M sure I love it.

830
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: I love heroes that are complicated, much like not to

831
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 4: always bring it back to girls, but much like Hannah

832
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: Horvath on Girls, who's also does a lot of challenging things.

833
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: But we all do challenging things.

834
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and it might be hard to accept

835
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: those sides of ourselves.

836
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: But that's a much more interesting person than just absolutely well.

837
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Also, we would never have a show no, Like, have

838
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: you seen there's some guy on instagram ed or TikTok

839
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: who is like, this is how people want Carrie to be.

840
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: She's like, it's really really funny.

841
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna call my therapist. I'm not going

842
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: to call my friends to talk to them about Big.

843
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my therapist and I'm not gonna go.

844
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: Exactly.

845
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: It's really really entertaining. Anyway, Back to the show. Back

846
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: to the show, So what I love so so so much. So, Okay,

847
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: we start the show. The first season, I've been like,

848
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: BIG's awful. That's basically every episode. Then the second the

849
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: second season, he's amazing.

850
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 4: He starts to come around.

851
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: Oh thank god, he's so charming and they're so great together,

852
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: and I was so happy. Then we have this beginning

853
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: of this episode, she's there in that outfit and he's

854
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: just like blah blah, which obviously then is the engine

855
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: that you know, pushes her to the wall where she

856
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: finally says all the things she's been wanting to say

857
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: and realizes her own issues in terms of trying again

858
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: and again and again to get him to do to.

859
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: Be considered in his life in a real way.

860
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my god, you're hired to be here every week, Ben.

861
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: But what I love so here.

862
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: I am not remembering the episode right and just starting

863
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: from the top and being like, oh my god, I

864
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: don't remember being at that bar. This must be the

865
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: thing that people keep talking to me about. That's nnbar

866
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: and look at my hair. That's hysterical that I say.

867
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: She's like, what's your kinking him? Like a king?

868
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: My hair?

869
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: It's so Charlotte.

870
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: It's perfect.

871
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 1: It's so perfect, and I love it so much. Don't

872
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: remember any of it, amazing, remember all the shoe things.

873
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: Don't remember that.

874
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: You don't remember the spanking, the waiter, you don't remember

875
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: the guy tied up in the chain.

876
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: Nothing. I'm sure it's five am. It might be seven am,

877
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: like we were all night every night and all those things.

878
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: I have no memory whatsoever, which is interesting because you

879
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: think i'd remember that.

880
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: No, it kind of makes sense to me that like

881
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 4: the things that we would consider to be the like shocking,

882
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 4: like oh you must remember this like slacious thing. It's like, no,

883
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: you probably remember this like two hand or thing that

884
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: you couldn't get and it was four and the more like.

885
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: You definitely, definitely it is true.

886
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: It is true.

887
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: And also I think because I was, you know, nervous

888
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: and confused about my own storyline, that I that I

889
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: that you know that took my attention. And I also

890
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: do remember the scene that you're talking about where it's

891
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: the three of us walking and talking because I was

892
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: so excited to be there because sometimes Charlotte's left out

893
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm here for you, like even

894
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: when you were doing just like that, if Miranda and

895
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: Carrie had to walk and talk and be like why

896
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: am I not there? And now that I'm rewatching, I

897
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: realized that the Miranda Carrie storyline of walking and talking

898
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: is a through line that is so powerful. It is

899
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: really amazing.

900
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 4: A couple of friends walked a couple of blocks. You

901
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: just wait, you have so much I mean, I.

902
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Know, right, But also it's because their dynamic is so

903
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: interesting and Miranda really tells her the truth, like people

904
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: are like, well, why didn't people stand up to carry

905
00:37:53,080 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: They did Miranda especially all the time. So Carrie has

906
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: this scene where she goes to Big in her incredible

907
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: outfit and she's trying to be funny and fun and sexy.

908
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: The night goes okay, I think they like, they hook up,

909
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: they sleep together, and then in the morning he just

910
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: drops the bomb.

911
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: That he but he's only going to pairs. She asks

912
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: him if he will go if he wants to do

913
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: a Hampden Share, because Charlotte has asked her to do

914
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: a Hampden Share and he says, oh, I can't because

915
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: I'm going to Paris, and she's like what. And she's

916
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: standing on the bed and then she leans forward, which

917
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: is so cool and interesting because you know, most directors

918
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: would be like, don't stand on the bed, you know,

919
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: but this is why the show is so awesome.

920
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: Yes.

921
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: Right, she's standing on.

922
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: The bed in her cute vintage slip which I love

923
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: so much. And she is so good and so deeply

924
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, upset and thrown and trying to hold it together.

925
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 4: She's really good at I mean, she's an amazing actor altogether. Yes,

926
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: she's really good, specifically at receiving information which I always

927
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 4: think is a really hard thing information that you know

928
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: as a person, as human being, you already know that,

929
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: like making it feel like it's being heard for the

930
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: first time. Yes, she's expert at that.

931
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: She is expert at hearing it and also expert at covering.

932
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: But also it's just enough covering that the audience is

933
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: with her.

934
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: They know what she's going through it.

935
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: Right, It's a very very fine line to walk. And

936
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: she's amazing. Yeah, I mean I always knew this, but

937
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: rewatching him like even more, wow, wow, wow.

938
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: Okay, then he.

939
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: Says, Oh yeah, it might be for years.

940
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: He's such a dick.

941
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

942
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm so mad at him.

943
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: I know, I get so mad at him.

944
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: It's the avoidant. It's the like emotionally unavailable avoidant, like

945
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 4: like it's just the way. It's the way. It's first

946
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 4: of all, it's not like relationship ending to say, my

947
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: work is going to take me to Paris, and I

948
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: think we're in a weird space where I don't know

949
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: how to handle that and I don't think it's time

950
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 4: for you to move, but maybe like it's it's he

951
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: doesn't have any of that language. It's just like I

952
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: have to be able to just throw things out and

953
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: like do what I.

954
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: Want, right, I'm going to do it absolutely absolutely. He

955
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: doesn't take her into consideration in any way, shape or form,

956
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: which is why she does what she does the rest

957
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: of the episode, which thank god, right, thank god. Okay,

958
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: oh wait, I have to I have to bring up

959
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: Stanford for a second.

960
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: Of course, love my storyline so much, so much, and

961
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 4: you know, I was like young queer person figuring myself

962
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 4: out and doing my first dating and stuff and what

963
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: so like to see it's just like a regular sweet

964
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 4: like not mister perfect superhero man, like go out and

965
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: try to like have an experience like that. It was

966
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 4: so wonderful.

967
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: And it's like.

968
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: Before the apps, right, so he's online.

969
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: I know it's like proto apps.

970
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: I know it's the cute big tool for you, big

971
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: tool for you.

972
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, It's so good. And the way that

973
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: Willy does it is just.

974
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: So sweet, so sweet. He just wants connection.

975
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: I know, he just wants connection.

976
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: And he's intimidated, which I understand so much from a

977
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: straight woman, but also from a gay man obviously many

978
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: gay man friends, and the pressure is re.

979
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: Oh my god, of course, especially the body stuff, like

980
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: specifically having it be a story where he has to

981
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: He's like, in order to have this experience, he got

982
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: a strip down and just bear it all and then

983
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 4: he has a really great, like flirty encounter. It's just

984
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 4: like so affirming. It's really so.

985
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Affirming and beautiful in the way he does it is

986
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: just so good. And another thing that I didn't really

987
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: realize at the time, because Willie was straight and stressed

988
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: sometimes about how to play Stanford. I think he'd be

989
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: okay with me saying this. I hope so he and

990
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 1: I were going to do a rewatch podcast. I know, yes,

991
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: the week that we decided to do and just like that,

992
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: we were supposed to sign our contract. Wow, I know

993
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: we stuf cry together. It's gonna be bad.

994
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have trouble's he's around, I know.

995
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: So we were gonna do a rewatch podcast, which would

996
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: have been so much fun. Yeah, but he was really

997
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: worried because he thought he was going to get in

998
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: trouble because he had like no filter in life.

999
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: I don't did you get to work with him?

1000
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 4: No? I just admire him from this but never.

1001
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, oh my god. Incredible human being

1002
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: and funny and cutting, like super smart and cutting in

1003
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: life that comes across. Yeah, I mean, Stanford is incredibly sweet. Comparabily,

1004
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: Willy was sweet, but like could also like cut to

1005
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: the bone, do you know what I mean? Sounds Oh,

1006
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: love it, love it, love it. So we were going

1007
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: to do this podcast together and he he had said

1008
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: to me after we ended up doing and just like

1009
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: that instead, basically it seemed too weird to do both

1010
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: at the same time, and we didn't think we'd have time,

1011
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: which is true. And I didn't know that Willy was

1012
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: sick at the time that Willy knew, and he he

1013
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: said to me one of the things he was worried

1014
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: about was that when he signed on to play Stanford,

1015
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: in his mind, Stanford was gay, but it wasn't the

1016
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: whole like essence of him. He was in this world

1017
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: equals yeah. And then there were times he felt that

1018
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: certain people encouraged him to be more flamboyantly gay than

1019
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: he had wanted to be originally. And there was a

1020
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: person's that Stanford was based on who was in our

1021
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: world and would come to our parties and stuff, who

1022
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, I ever would have ever known was gay.

1023
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: And I think he was like a lawyer or something

1024
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: like he was, you know, Stanford's a manager vaguely of

1025
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: models or whatever, vaguely.

1026
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 4: The perfect underwear man.

1027
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: Exactly, the boner maybe something like this. But this guy

1028
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: was not in any way flamboyantly gay. And the idea

1029
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: was that Stanford was based on him in some vague way.

1030
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: And so Willie's struggle in the beginning was that sometimes

1031
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: people he felt would come up to.

1032
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: And be like, gay it up, gay it up, and

1033
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 2: he felt like is that right? Is that wrong?

1034
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do and he was worried

1035
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: about talking about that because he didn't want to like

1036
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: ruin Stanford for people or make people uncomfortable about it.

1037
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: But when I look back on his performance, to me,

1038
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: it's just the most beautiful balance.

1039
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's so well calibrated, right, and I'm

1040
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 4: not you know, it's I think it's like a It's

1041
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 4: like a snowflake in terms of the whole like queer

1042
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: people playing queer people, straight people think queer people. I

1043
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: think it's case by case. Clearly there was plenty of

1044
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 4: quer people in the creative like space making this feel

1045
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: like a real person and writing him as a real person.

1046
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: Clearly Willy's coming out of with a lot of talent

1047
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: and humanity. Like in this case, I see it as

1048
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 4: such a positive representation of somebody who's also like, you know,

1049
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: a neurotic and nabushy like me. So obviously I connect

1050
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: to him, but just in terms of like an actual

1051
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: person who's not just you know, I love a starky

1052
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: gay assistant who's there to just be a starky gay assistant.

1053
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 4: But but Stanford's like a whole person, So I really

1054
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more.

1055
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. I'm so glad You're the first person

1056
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: I felt safe to talk about this time.

1057
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: I'm so glad. We should do this once a week.

1058
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: Me too, I mean, I really, I really like because

1059
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: he's not in the show enough in the beginning, right,

1060
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: like he comes and then he goes, and usually I'm

1061
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: just like awed by just looking at his beautiful young self,

1062
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, and remembering him. But this episode, because the

1063
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: storyline is so beautifully written.

1064
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 4: I love the two of them in the apartment. I'm

1065
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 4: drinking the Martiniz and him being honest about it with

1066
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 4: Sarah Jisica just like and you can with my girlfriends,

1067
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 4: you know, all they're.

1068
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Friends from like when they're in their twenties and you

1069
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: so feel it and she can't stop laughing.

1070
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: It's so adorable, it is.

1071
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm so glad it's on film.

1072
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 4: Me too. Isn't it a beautiful It is that that

1073
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: that girl and gay best friend relationship is a very sacred.

1074
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: Special thing, sacred special thing, and it was.

1075
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: Like Anthony, but that's not absolutely.

1076
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: But they all matter, of course, you know, And they're

1077
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: all different versions and they're all real to us and

1078
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: we all have them, thank God, in our lives and

1079
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: it's so important, so important. Okay, I'm gonna really try

1080
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: it to cry, I don't know about it. Okay, let's

1081
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: get to carry and big because it's super important. This

1082
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: whole episode is so incredible and I so relate to Carrie,

1083
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: and I so.

1084
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: Think Sir Jessica is just seking brilliant.

1085
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, like.

1086
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: So incredibly brilliant. And at this point in her life

1087
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: she's happily married to Matthew, so he even still like

1088
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: awes me the depth that she's pulling from, you know,

1089
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: and when she throws that hamburger, which we're not, I mean,

1090
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: it's so good.

1091
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: Oh God, Fish, yes, Li Big Mac Yes.

1092
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: And I love Alison Andrews for making us all feel

1093
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: so comfortable. What I see when I look at this

1094
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: episode is all of us feeling very safe and comfortable

1095
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: and settled into our part at this point in the

1096
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: second season.

1097
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: And audience wise, you feel wish you always to a

1098
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 4: certain extent you do, but particularly in this episode, like

1099
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: in the room with people like in very into because

1100
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: the show has a lot of style, so sometimes the

1101
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 4: like sharpness in the style can can create like a

1102
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 4: bit of remove and in a way that's I think intended.

1103
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: But a lot of these like more messier emotional moments,

1104
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 4: like in this episode, like I felt very like let in.

1105
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: One hundred percent let in and out. I think a

1106
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: lot of that is Alison. Yeah, I think she's she

1107
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: was so chill and laid back, and I can see

1108
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: that in Sarah, Like there's a there's a take where

1109
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: Sarah's got her computer but her legs are on either

1110
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: side and the cameras behind her, Like it's creative and fun,

1111
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: and Sarah Jessica loves that stuff, you know, like give

1112
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: her props, give let her do weird things with their body,

1113
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: Like she's.

1114
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 4: So does how to make a space feel like she

1115
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: really lives in that space because she's.

1116
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: A very physical actor. You know, she's intellectual and physical.

1117
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. It's very very interesting.

1118
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to watch your friends, Yeah, you know,

1119
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: because you.

1120
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 4: Know them, right, that's the bast I mean, especially watching

1121
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: a friend you love and respect. Like I made this

1122
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: movie Theater Camp with Noah, with my husband being part

1123
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: of the you know, the cut process of that and

1124
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: you know, shooting and like just watching him work, like

1125
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 4: it can be a really challenging thing when you're watching

1126
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: a friend or your person when there's not a belief

1127
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 4: in them or like there's there's like a criticis you

1128
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 4: know what I mean, where it's like it's not a

1129
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 4: talent that you really believe in because it's that that's

1130
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: how it makes that line is hard. But there's nothing

1131
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 4: more special than like someone you love as a person

1132
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 4: and you can really admire that there's have a special ability.

1133
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, absolutely.

1134
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So well here we are. We're with We're with

1135
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: Carrying Big, We're with krriying Big. Oh wait, should we

1136
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: talk about we should talk about the Will Arnett because

1137
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: that's a pretty funny storyline, so good and so New York.

1138
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 4: New York. But I know what you're saying about the

1139
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 4: episode sort of like that story I could kind of

1140
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 4: go anywhere totally. It's just its own little pocket.

1141
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: It's not totally a game. It's kind of a game

1142
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: so funny. It's so funny. He wants to have sex

1143
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: and public places. So they meet at a bookstore basically

1144
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: the strand on the street talking about biography. So he

1145
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: takes her to where Mark Twain wrote, which I think

1146
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: we all know is New Yorkers. Like it's yes, right there,

1147
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: We've all been there. I've never had sex there, and

1148
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: he wants to have sex there, which is funny. And

1149
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: then they have sex in a cab. That's a bit

1150
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: of a stretch for me. Yes, which is very, very

1151
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: very Cynthia though she wouldn't be having sex in the cab,

1152
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: but she is very directing of this.

1153
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: Of course, drivers we can suspend this belief for the

1154
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: show that they somehow made it happen in the back

1155
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 4: of the cab.

1156
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm sure people have. Of course, I

1157
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: have definitely made out in a one of the best

1158
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: places to.

1159
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: Make up, definitely, but not the rest.

1160
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: She's a great on camera maker out her Cynthia will say,

1161
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: I think she's amazing.

1162
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: She has no fear, she's not concern.

1163
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: And sometimes anxiety provoking away from.

1164
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: Me as her friend.

1165
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, I would be like, is anyone protecting

1166
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: her hearing because there's no intimacy coordinators as we know

1167
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: back in the day, just whatever, and she's like, yes,

1168
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Yes, my feet are dirty, I don't

1169
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: care film them. I'm like, didn't have anyone have a

1170
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: what one? Come on? Anyway? That's me, that's me and

1171
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: I play Charlotte as very clear, very clear. Okay, So

1172
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: here we are. We're Stanford confesses to carry about the cyber.

1173
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: Sex, which is so cute.

1174
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: On the internet.

1175
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: Big tool for you.

1176
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: We've gone over all that. Then they have U. I'm

1177
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: back at the shoe store and his name is Buster,

1178
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: which is kind of hysterical, like Buster Brown. I don't

1179
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: know if anyone will get that reference at this point, but.

1180
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 4: I know Buster Brown. But why Buster Brown in this?

1181
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: They make shoes?

1182
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: Ah, okay, the youngsters.

1183
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: This is like from the forties. Okay, don't ask me

1184
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: why we did that. But all right, I'm getting free shoes.

1185
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: He's charming but slightly ew but that's okay. Then we

1186
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: have this adorable walk and talk. I'm wearing my own

1187
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: shirts for some reason. Really, that's another thing I'm thinking

1188
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: about you beginning. Yeah, we didn't have a lot of budget.

1189
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: You can see that it's getting better. The fashion is

1190
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: getting better. But like sometimes I would go shopping and

1191
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I want Charloe to wear this. So

1192
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: then I just take it, you know, and try to

1193
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: like it's a work in progress. Being pat figuring Charlotte

1194
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: out and being able to afford Charlotte.

1195
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. Basically, Charlotte has very expensive taste, very.

1196
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Expensive taste, and I'm wearing this beautiful necklace. It's a butterfly,

1197
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: it's got rubies, it's a vintage necklace. I wore it

1198
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot. And then at the end of the season,

1199
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: we're still trying to get press, which I know is

1200
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: insane to think about now, I know, crazy, Yes, but

1201
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: we had to try. Anyone who would talk to us.

1202
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: We'd be like, sure, ask us anything, do We'll do anything.

1203
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Like at one point they were like, tell us your

1204
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: worst dates, which I unabashedly did, and Cynthia Nixon called

1205
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: me and she was like, why did you tell them

1206
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: that story? Only as I don't know, I felt like

1207
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: I had to tell them something. She's like, don't ever

1208
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: tell that story again.

1209
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, okay, Well now it's like the currency,

1210
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 4: you know, not to get off topic, but in terms

1211
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: of like press tours and stuff, it's like that becomes

1212
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: more important than the movie. It's one stories are you're

1213
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 4: telling and are you cool on camera? And I know,

1214
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: is it viral? And is it is it the like

1215
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: what about the what about the movie?

1216
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 3: Yes, totally true.

1217
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we were on the like the forefront

1218
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: of that happening totally, but we understood because they were

1219
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: trying to relate it to the show. You know what

1220
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you as people, which is the lasting

1221
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: power of the show, right, But then you're also giving

1222
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: up your personal stories to whoever it is who's going

1223
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: to present it however they're going to present it. I

1224
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: think now the good news is you have more control

1225
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: because you have your own social media, et cetera.

1226
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: I'm only asked like a few fan questions, but how

1227
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 4: far into it was like being yourself around New York

1228
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 4: like not no longer possible, you know what I mean?

1229
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I do know what you mean. I would say

1230
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: in my mind, I don't remember getting difficult till third season.

1231
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: In my my third season is when we boomed. Other

1232
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: people seem to feel that we were already the I

1233
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: didn't personally feel that. I mean, I had been on

1234
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: Melrose Place before that, right, which had its own kind

1235
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: of culty kind of following, So I had some of

1236
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: that that would follow me.

1237
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: Wherever I was.

1238
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: But I mean, like you became like emblems of New York.

1239
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: So it's true, and people always would say, oh, you know,

1240
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: no one in New York cares about actors.

1241
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: I'd be like, not really true, not really true.

1242
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: But that was because we were in New York's show

1243
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: and they felt like we were theirs, you know. But

1244
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: I also feel now, well, no, it's different. Like in

1245
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: La I learned where to go and where not to go. Right,

1246
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: Like Brentwood really easy. There's a lot of actors in Brentwood.

1247
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 4: It was cool, so segment, Like in New York, it's

1248
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 4: sort of like you're out, You're out.

1249
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're out.

1250
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1251
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: But there was a time where I realized I cannot

1252
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: walk down Madison Avenue and that kind of sucked, you

1253
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like if I walked.

1254
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: Down I know, like if I walked.

1255
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: Down Madison Avenue, if I actually wanted to window gaze

1256
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: or shop or whatever, I couldn't get anywhere, you know

1257
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1258
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: It was frustrating.

1259
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was totally fine. I just had to be creative,

1260
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There was one time and

1261
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna have.

1262
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 3: To get back to the show because you're too fun.

1263
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: There was one time we were shooting somewhere near Barney's

1264
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: and Sara Jessica said.

1265
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: Hey, do you want to go shoe shopping online? And

1266
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: I was like definitely.

1267
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: She said, let's leave our security behind. I was like, okay,

1268
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: this is later when we got security. At this point

1269
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: in time, we don't. We're just out there. Our trailers

1270
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: would be on the street with our characters' names. And

1271
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: one day someone knocked on my door and I thought

1272
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: it was an ad so I opened the door and

1273
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: it was some guy fan ish type person saying ask

1274
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, I shouldn't be talking. Yeah, it

1275
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: was like kind of cuckoo. We changed all that as

1276
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: time went, but the time that they're just going to

1277
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: go to Barney's, we thought we could lose our security guys.

1278
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: We each had one at that point. Q was mine,

1279
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: loving very much.

1280
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: Khalid was hers.

1281
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: And she told Khalid she was going to have lunch

1282
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: in her trailer and he could go have lunch, and

1283
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: then she snuck over to mine and we went, but

1284
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: Q followed us at a distance and we didn't know.

1285
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: But it was a good thing because we get the

1286
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: Barneys at lunch time and we're trying to try shoes.

1287
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 4: So stupid, right.

1288
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: So dumb. It's lunch hour in New York City at

1289
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: Barney's is packed with women and there's just a crowd.

1290
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 4: Around, of course, and you're trying.

1291
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: I know, it's so stupid.

1292
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: And at one point Q was hiding behind a pole

1293
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: and we just see him like do you need me?

1294
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: Like yes, just so we could get out of the building. Joes,

1295
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: I know, right, And Barney, I mean it was fun.

1296
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: We were just trying to be girls for a minute, parties,

1297
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: I know.

1298
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: Okay, back to the all the episode.

1299
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god, you're too much fun.

1300
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Charlie, she's sure, we're good with that. I want

1301
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: to get too.

1302
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: Big because this, to me is the fight at the end.

1303
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: Yes, So basically Carrie talks to us many times about

1304
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: And this is when I think about the narcissistic Carrie situation,

1305
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: right where for like a couple of years, it seemed

1306
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: like everyone just wanted to criticize Carry for being narcissistic.

1307
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: To me, first of all, I don't think she's narcissistic.

1308
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: I think that we're hearing everybody is a little bit.

1309
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: Let's just say that.

1310
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: Let's say she's not more so, yes.

1311
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: And she's like twisting herself to try to be what

1312
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 4: he wants her to be. Exactly, which is, you know,

1313
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 4: kind of a selfless thing to do.

1314
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1315
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 4: I'm misguided, but yes, but we.

1316
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: All do this.

1317
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: I have done this right. But also I think as

1318
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: if you were part of the reason you feel like

1319
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: carry's narcissistic is because you're hearing Carrie's thoughts, yeah, which

1320
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: I don't think people think about, like you're her head.

1321
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: Were getting the whole internal monologue, right, So it's like

1322
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: if we were hearing that for each girl, we probably

1323
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 4: say the.

1324
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: Same exactly, because everyone's internal monologue is narcissistic, that's kind

1325
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: of yeah.

1326
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 4: And she becomes like such an omnipotent narrator that she's

1327
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 4: sort of like helping us craft our judgments of what's

1328
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 4: happening with the other.

1329
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1330
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's a great point.

1331
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1332
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 4: Never thought about that. Thank you so much.

1333
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: So in this particular episode, she's like almost sending herself

1334
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: up in terms of like there's all these quick cuts

1335
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: where she's like talking to me and talking to Smith

1336
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: and talking to Marda and yeah.

1337
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: And big and I just kept trying to be what

1338
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: do you want?

1339
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: Like, She's just going on and on and on, and

1340
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: it's actually really really funny because it's like an exaggeration

1341
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: of what everyone complained about later on.

1342
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1343
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 4: The first reaction is that like her banging the table

1344
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 4: and the diner with you guys, and I believe I'm

1345
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 4: here again. Yes, And then she does like the one

1346
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 4: she like calls him drunk and like, you know, makes

1347
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 4: the wrong move and then does the one ady of

1348
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: like being embarrassed and feeling ashamed about that. And so

1349
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 4: then she's back with you guys and being like, actually,

1350
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 4: you know what, like one am, it's Paris, Like it'll

1351
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 4: be great, Like I'll go visit him.

1352
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: She's taking because that's what Charlotte said. Originally it was like,

1353
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: where's a big deal you can go to Paris. Yes,

1354
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: she does her.

1355
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: She goes through her seven stages while waiting for him

1356
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: to come back. It's like we all spiral exactly that

1357
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 4: same way.

1358
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: That's so right.

1359
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: Does she call him in this episode?

1360
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 4: Yes, when she gets drunk with Stanford, Yeah, and the

1361
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 4: scene that I love God you've watched and then she

1362
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 4: she she calls him and it's like, you know, four

1363
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 4: am in Paris, and she likes saying like a real thing,

1364
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: and it is like trying to be like, you're not considered.

1365
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 4: She's trying to say what she did later says, which

1366
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 4: is like you can't factor me in your life. Yes,

1367
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 4: but because she's d young, it just doesn't come out

1368
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: well and she she gets really embarrassed by it, and

1369
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 4: then and exactly and so suddenly she's like, oh, am

1370
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: I going to lose him? And so let me, let

1371
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: me try to reframe this. And then she's with you

1372
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 4: guys walking and she's like, you're right, like like this,

1373
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 4: what am I freaking out about? Like what's the worst

1374
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 4: thing about going to Paris with your boyfriend? Just like

1375
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: doing her own like mental gymnastics to try to make

1376
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 4: it work with this guy who's giving her like nothing.

1377
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: I haven't all been there so much. So and then

1378
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: he comes back. So that's when she comes in her

1379
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: adorable beret, her French outfit. Someone asked me how did

1380
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: Paris become this through line with them? And I think

1381
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: it's all just because we all love Paris. I mean

1382
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: I would have to ask Michael Batrick because I.

1383
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: Think the first time we hear about it, this is the.

1384
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Beginning of what's going to be a very, very very

1385
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: long through line of Paris. Yes, I don't even want

1386
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: to say it ends exactly for decades. It's so important.

1387
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: But who doesn't love Paris of coury.

1388
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 4: I just went in the spring with my husband, the

1389
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 4: first like adult proper trip there of my family and

1390
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 4: I was a kid, but yeah, so dreaming.

1391
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: We just went there all together to promote and just

1392
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: like that.

1393
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 4: Oh, that's so fun.

1394
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: It was incredible. It was incredible. It was incredible. So

1395
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: he comes back, she's wearing her beret, she has the

1396
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: match fish, and she apologizes, and she tells him that

1397
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: she thinks they can make it work and that they

1398
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: can have phone sex if he asked to move to Paris,

1399
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: which is hysterical. Yeah, which is also funny.

1400
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 4: Very funny in terms of and just like that, oh yeah,

1401
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: of course, okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

1402
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: And then he tells her something to the effect of,

1403
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't want you to move to Paris because you're

1404
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: expecting something.

1405
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1406
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: It literally makes me want to kill him.

1407
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 4: It's I don't want you to uproot your life and

1408
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 4: expect anything, right, It's like, excuse me, tall.

1409
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: It's so after the mental gymnastics, after all that she

1410
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: emotionally has gotten through to try to get to that

1411
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: point to say it can work. He's like, but don't

1412
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: expect anything.

1413
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 4: This is the thing with Big It's like, it's like

1414
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: it's one thing to be emotionally unavailable but be able

1415
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 4: to articulate that you have that shortcoming, and it's another

1416
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: thing to not have any words for it and to

1417
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 4: just be abusive.

1418
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1419
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: It's so at which point she takes back and smashes

1420
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: it against the wall, which you know, hallelujah that she

1421
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 1: does it right.

1422
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 4: Satisfying.

1423
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: It's very satisfying, and he deserves that and so much more, really,

1424
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: and then she says something like, I don't know if

1425
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: she says this to him. Does she say, why is

1426
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: it so hard for you to factor into your.

1427
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 4: Lives in any real way?

1428
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: Kills me?

1429
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 4: And he has no good answer.

1430
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: Really no, because he doesn't deserve her.

1431
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 4: No, he does not. And then she said, you said

1432
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 4: you said you love me, and he said I do.

1433
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 4: It's like the why is it hurt so much? And

1434
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 4: we're back to Ludolor squeeze.

1435
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: We are and then and this made me upset and

1436
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: I didn't remember this. Then we cut to Stanford and

1437
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: we have some other scenes, but then he comes to

1438
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: her door in the middle of the night and she

1439
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: lets him in.

1440
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: I didn't remember the ending.

1441
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: Yes, she lets him in and they have sex.

1442
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 4: They have this like unspoken goodbye, right, And I'm like, oh.

1443
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: No, because I personally don't believe in goodbye sex.

1444
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: I do not think you should have goodbye sex.

1445
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 4: I don't think I ever have.

1446
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: I think I have, and I didn't know it.

1447
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 4: Is it goodbye sex? If you don't know it's goodbye.

1448
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: They know it and you don't. Do you know what

1449
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I'm Charlotte, right, it's some level, do

1450
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I'm thinking that this

1451
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: must mean it's going to be good now that we're okay,

1452
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that it's like good by sex,

1453
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: which is awful.

1454
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's honest, but it's awful.

1455
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's honest if you don't say it.

1456
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 4: I just mean like, of course she of course they

1457
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: would want like there was no closure, and he has

1458
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 4: no ability to give them any closure because he's such

1459
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 4: he has just like no, you know, he's a lot

1460
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 4: of growing to do totally, and so if if this

1461
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 4: is the only kind of closure that's being offered, like

1462
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 4: I would, I would understand, do you I mean I

1463
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 4: do if I was Carrie and I was in that

1464
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 4: kind of a web.

1465
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: Yes, she has a lot more understanding than I, personally

1466
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: Kristen would ever have in that moment, because then she's

1467
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: sitting there in her fantastic black bra in the morning,

1468
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: and he says, what are you doing over there? And

1469
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: she's she's sitting there and me hearing her voice over

1470
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 1: that she feels tied to the chair and she can't

1471
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: get up because she knows it's over, yeah, and that

1472
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: she wants He says, come back, and she says, well,

1473
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: I want to, but I can't. It's so good, really good,

1474
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: And I so admire her Carrie's understanding, but also Sarah

1475
01:01:53,280 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: Jessica's abilities in that scene to convey such emotion without

1476
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: conveying it on her face.

1477
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah do you mean?

1478
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: Hm, like you can feel it all. But she's not

1479
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: exhibiting it for him, you know what I'm saying. She's

1480
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: protecting herself in the scene.

1481
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 4: But you as a viewer, No, were the this is

1482
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 4: my other fan question, I promise the last year, right, No,

1483
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 4: were the voiceovers already recorded so that like you know,

1484
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: in the middle of the scene, someone say something and

1485
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 4: then you'll take time to think while we hear Sarah

1486
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 4: say something, and then the like she has to then

1487
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 4: match the timing once the cut's already there.

1488
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: Yes, So basically when you'd read the script, they'd be.

1489
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: There, so we know what's being said, Yeah, we just

1490
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 4: don't hear it yet correct.

1491
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: And then she would go later and you'd have to

1492
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: ask Michael Patrick and Sarah And I think I should

1493
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: ask them at some point how often they changed them

1494
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1495
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: Do you know mean that would be interesting once you

1496
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 4: see what you have. Yeah, But that's what I was

1497
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 4: gonna say, Especially in this moment at the end, it's

1498
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 4: like there's such a good synergy between like what she

1499
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 4: knows we're hearing and what she's giving to him, right.

1500
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of that is her incredible abilities,

1501
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, and incredibly deep thinking on where Carrie's at

1502
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: and what Carrie's doing, and the sinking between Michael Patrick

1503
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: and her and Darren too. I can't remember at what

1504
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: point he's how active he is at this point, but

1505
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: like even still ongoing, like they have a lot of

1506
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: private conversations about about this and kind of planning and discussing,

1507
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: and Michael Patrick was always very including to all of us, like,

1508
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: even if none of us have credits except for Sarah

1509
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: at this point, and I think she's just executive consultant.

1510
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: Which is kind of a made up title, you know.

1511
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: But even when we had no titles, he would always

1512
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: come to us and say, this is the arc, and

1513
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: this is what I'm thinking, and this is where I

1514
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: want you to be thinking about going emotionally, and you know,

1515
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: very inclusive in terms of that, which is an actor

1516
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: so helpful. And then sometimes it would change, but as

1517
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: a character, you didn't know that change was coming, so

1518
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: it was actually great. Yeah, yeah, and you call you like, yeah,

1519
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: I was supposed to have a baby when Miranda's also

1520
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: having a baby, and then it didn't, I know, and

1521
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: then it didn't.

1522
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 4: That would have been such a different timeline, I know.

1523
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I love what it ended up being, but

1524
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 4: I mean too.

1525
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: But at the time I was really mad at him,

1526
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: so I was like, no, she wants this, She's got ahead.

1527
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: What do you mean because I couldn't separate right from myself.

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Speaker 4: You have such love and empathy for her, you want

1529
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 4: her to get what she wants, and she wanted it,

1530
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 4: so it was even more exactly it.

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: Worked out as it should.

1532
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Speaker 1: But he originally the idea was to contrast how that

1533
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Speaker 1: you would mother. Yeah, and then what he said to me, right,

1534
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: we still got that eventually, definitely.

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Speaker 3: And when he said to me, when you're at the.

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Speaker 4: Bar talking about motherhood, yes, I love that.

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Speaker 2: Seems so much.

1538
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: Yes, But at the time he said to me, because

1539
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't think any of our other writers, all of

1540
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: whom were women, by the time we get to those storylines,

1541
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: no one had children yet. And he said to me,

1542
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: we don't have enough storyline to do two because we

1543
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: don't have kids yet.

1544
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 4: That's good to be us about writing. What you know

1545
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 4: is a good right, it's a good thing, exactly.

1546
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: You're such a joy.

1547
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. This has been like my dream,

1548
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 4: so fun, and thank you for answering all my questions.

1549
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: Let me interview you are a font of knowledge and

1550
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: I so appreciate it.

1551
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 4: And you're going to need the formative very special gift.

1552
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 4: This show has brought a lot of community in I know,

1553
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 4: another like another show for you to be on sounds

1554
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 4: good internet.

1555
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever met Michael Patrick?

1556
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 4: Uh randomly, I think I got a restaurant. Got it

1557
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 4: justin said, you know, I'm a huge fan, but not

1558
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: we've never really sat down.

1559
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'm keeping a list. Let's just make sure we

1560
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: officially ask you.

1561
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: Are you a Charlotte.

1562
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 4: Oh I'm very much as.

1563
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: Because how many people have written a song basically based

1564
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: on their on their charlotteness.

1565
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I kind of win the crown.

1566
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: I think you totally do well done, well done, well done,

1567
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here.

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01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: Oh I got of course.

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Speaker 1: E