WEBVTT - Don’t Forget About Me...

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<v Speaker 1>I got buckets. It's we knows parenting. I'm Peter McNerney

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm that Newell. We came back. We've been back.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe it? We didn't really leave. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we did leave. We went to Thanksgiving, to the Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to the famous, the world famous Thanksgiving. This

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<v Speaker 1>version was in outside of Boston, Massachusetts, where your parents live.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a delightful time. Can I say, unrelated to the trip,

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people this year are getting more

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<v Speaker 1>on board with actually listening to native people about cultural issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And people are starting to talk about how Thanksgiving is

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<v Speaker 1>credibly problematic and like as as a holiday, and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's one of those things. It feels like

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<v Speaker 1>we just need to rebrand it a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing the big family meal and just yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>messaging of it is is right, arm like it's But

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<v Speaker 1>the funny thing is all of our all of our

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<v Speaker 1>holidays are actually just appropriated pagan holidays that we that

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity like tried to rebrand into different various lives and things. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's that's not not just Christianity is thin

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<v Speaker 1>right right right, But um our country has done this

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<v Speaker 1>with Thanksgiving where what used to be sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>giving thanks holiday in the fall where you would like

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<v Speaker 1>reap the last harvest and then celebrate all the food

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<v Speaker 1>and like you know, prepare for the winter and like

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy a meal with your loved ones. It then became

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<v Speaker 1>this holiday where we're like and that's when Native Americans

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<v Speaker 1>forgave us for everything, and they actually were like, we

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<v Speaker 1>want you here on our land and we want you

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<v Speaker 1>to take all of relay. Well, yeah, that is the

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<v Speaker 1>that's the origin of Thanksgiving. I mean, obviously the revisionist

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<v Speaker 1>history of the perfect we invited the the Native Americans

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<v Speaker 1>to this supper, which I just read a great article,

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<v Speaker 1>but like things that are you believe about Thanksgivings that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't true, And the only one I remember is we didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We the white people, the Pilgrims, did not invite the

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<v Speaker 1>Native Americans when you were across the brook having their

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<v Speaker 1>own festival. And they emerge when you actually look at

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<v Speaker 1>American history and a lot of these things, or just

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<v Speaker 1>world history, it's like we're talking about events that were

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<v Speaker 1>like genocide on some level, like you know, like rape

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<v Speaker 1>and murder of people, removing children from their parents. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like these are like but like if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>read the history in our history books, it's like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>so we just kept expanding west into this beautiful land

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<v Speaker 1>that was just sitting there waiting for it. Or the

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<v Speaker 1>victors write the history books. I mean, the pilgrims had

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<v Speaker 1>a had a you know, where they were living. They

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<v Speaker 1>had fields that were prepared and tilled because all they

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<v Speaker 1>were prepared by Native Americans who were all dead because

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<v Speaker 1>of the small box. Yeah, anyway, fun start. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think what is relevant about that to the podcast, not

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<v Speaker 1>aside from the education point, is that, Um, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I think people have been more sensitive to this year,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things culturally, is that kids are being given

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of like reenacting things like plays or activities

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<v Speaker 1>or head dress is like they're giving these activities in

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<v Speaker 1>schools that are just like I know, in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of places, I feel like this is just like some

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<v Speaker 1>old white teacher who's been doing this thing for years

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<v Speaker 1>and like they didn't get the memo, like you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like they're still making Native American head

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<v Speaker 1>dresses out of Yeah. In a lot of cases, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a very well meaning white person who really needs

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<v Speaker 1>to like read an article, Um, but it's just anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Um well, I speaking of that, I went to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up britain Is after school. Um program had a Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>party and I forgot that it was happening. So I

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<v Speaker 1>showed up and he was just getting food and so

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, you know what, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>outside that you know, makes some phone calls so that

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<v Speaker 1>he can enjoy his food. And he didn't haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>me yet. And as I walked out, I really I

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<v Speaker 1>thought like, was he wearing a construction paper uh Native

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<v Speaker 1>American head dress? Oh? Yeah? And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not cool anymore, right, But then I went back

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<v Speaker 1>an hour later and saw that it was turkey turkey

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<v Speaker 1>hat but it had turkey feathers on a hat in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that was like very reminiscent of you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell whoever learned that learned it one way and then

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<v Speaker 1>they go, let's make it a turkey and it was

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<v Speaker 1>an appropriate shift. Yeah, but someone someone got very attached

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea of putting like headbands on kids around

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<v Speaker 1>fall like, yeah, it's it's moved in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, I mean Thanksgiving the core of

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<v Speaker 1>it is the time to be thankful, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm behind that time to get together with family, Like

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<v Speaker 1>we celebrate Christmas personally. I don't do it for Jesus anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I just it's about family. I just do it for

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<v Speaker 1>the likes. I just do it for the tradition and

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<v Speaker 1>the rules. Um, I'm so excited for Christmas this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Brand he's he's he's ready for the big Christmas. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about the Advent calendar? Yeah? Sure, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is I have another Advent thing coming? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is that what it's called. No, it's not called it's

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<v Speaker 1>just what are you talking about? What are you talking about? What?

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about the Advent calendar? But you said

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<v Speaker 1>that you have another Advent thing coming, another Advent calendar

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<v Speaker 1>sort of. It's like, Um, this is so mysterious. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you talking about. It's like this wooden Advent calendar

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<v Speaker 1>where you like put it's like a Christmas tree with

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<v Speaker 1>all these little circle holes. And then yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find something like when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>I had this thing that I loved that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone really makes something like it right now. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they do, But it was like it hung on the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>It was made of cloth, and there was all these

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<v Speaker 1>little pockets for each day of the month with a

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<v Speaker 1>number on it, and then that you would move this

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<v Speaker 1>little mouse from pocket to pocket. I've seen that too.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved that. I love all of these. These are

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of holiday activities that are great. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you remember that so much of the joy

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<v Speaker 1>of Christmas is like the lead up to Christmas, then

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you can kind of like tone down

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<v Speaker 1>the consumerism and stress of like gift by I love

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<v Speaker 1>the build up is everything. Yeah, that's why I love

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Morning and we have a lot of traditions and

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<v Speaker 1>things because it's all about just extending that moment of excitement. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But bring up we got written at You got brittan

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<v Speaker 1>advant calendar, a simple one, and you think that would

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<v Speaker 1>be really into it because he loves the calendar and

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<v Speaker 1>crossing off the days of the month. He really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it, and well he does love it, but he

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<v Speaker 1>immediately opened all of the doors and then lied about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was too tempting. You know. It's funny because they

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<v Speaker 1>have ones like that that have candy in them. But

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<v Speaker 1>I used to get some of those. I know. I

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<v Speaker 1>could never trust him with something like that. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the type of thing though that he couldn't possibly lie about.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd he'd be surprised. So let's talk about We took

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<v Speaker 1>them to Thanksgiving. It was nice and easy. Um the

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<v Speaker 1>drive there. The drive back was not. We had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of traffic. Actually, I thought the drive back was

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<v Speaker 1>more peaceful in a weird way, even though it was eternal.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's something I'm really proud of. It was eternal. It

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<v Speaker 1>was six and a half hours instead of three. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so Brent head a major league melt down in the

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot when you guys went into that restaurant. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been really trying to just ride the wave instead

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to block the wave, you know, because I've

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I pride myself on putting my foot down,

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<v Speaker 1>and when I put my foot down, I don't back off.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been hitting the gas, hitting the brake too hard,

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<v Speaker 1>too quick, m and so I've just been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find that balance of if I say a thing, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it, but I'm toning down this sternness. And in

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<v Speaker 1>that parking lot when he was having a major league

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<v Speaker 1>freak out, Um, oh my god. So this was in

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to target okay, we gotta go back. On the

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<v Speaker 1>way there, we had to go to Target to buy

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<v Speaker 1>him a jacket because he lost his jacket. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a great trip. We go into the Target and

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<v Speaker 1>we get there and we get to find the jacket

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<v Speaker 1>section and there's one coat that's for four to five

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and so I go, oh, look at this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I put it on him and it fits perfectly,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I go great. And then I look in

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<v Speaker 1>the next size up, which is six seven, and I go,

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<v Speaker 1>let's try this on just in case, because it was

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<v Speaker 1>a nice jacket and it might last. So he puts

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<v Speaker 1>one arm in the new jacket and his fingers don't

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<v Speaker 1>go to the end, so in my mind like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably too big. And then he takes it

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<v Speaker 1>off and he goes, this is the one. I want

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<v Speaker 1>this one, And I go, well, try it on so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can see how big it is, because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna buy this. It might be too big. And

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<v Speaker 1>he then he refused, uh, and I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well just try it on. And then suddenly he got

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<v Speaker 1>really progressive quickly, and he was really embarrassed, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't notice it, so suddenly I was pushing against somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that was freaking out, and I didn't notice yet, and

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<v Speaker 1>so then I was like, okay, all right, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>the other one. And then I tried. I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get the other one, and he started freaking out that

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't buying the big one. So then I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we can get the big one if you try it on.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he wouldn't try it on and the biggest public

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<v Speaker 1>melton I've ever been a part of. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>tried to just back away, and I go, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>riled him up. I didn't realize that, and I stayed calm,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just sat there and I waited and I

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<v Speaker 1>let him be alone. I let him calm down, I

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<v Speaker 1>changed the subject. We just talked and all that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then finally we had to go. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, and then I called and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I started like threatening him. We got donuts. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't do this, you're gonna get a donut. And I

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<v Speaker 1>called you and I was like, are you gonna eat

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<v Speaker 1>Britain's doughnut? And this is when I blew it, And

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<v Speaker 1>then finally wasn't already. I finally finally just said we

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<v Speaker 1>have to go, and so I grabbed the one that

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that fit. I said, let's go, and I

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<v Speaker 1>started walking away, and he exploded with rage and started

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<v Speaker 1>running in front of me, and he threw himself down

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me on the ground, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>like stepped over him, and everyone was looking. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we got into the cell off checkoutline and he started

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<v Speaker 1>hitting me, and it was so crowded and I was

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<v Speaker 1>so embarrassed, and I was trying to make jokes, so

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<v Speaker 1>the people around me and I as I was checking out,

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<v Speaker 1>he was grabbing the coat and pulling it away and

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<v Speaker 1>screaming goes, I don't want it, I don't want it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just put my head down and walked out

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<v Speaker 1>of the store. And as soon as he got into

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot, I lost it. And we put him

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<v Speaker 1>in the car, and he wouldn't put a seatbelt on,

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<v Speaker 1>so I slammed the door and then I get in

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<v Speaker 1>the car and I drive to go pick you guys

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<v Speaker 1>up at Dunk of Donuts and he starts kicking the

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<v Speaker 1>back of my seat as hard as he can, and

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<v Speaker 1>he dumps out an entire box of animal crackers and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going five miles in the parking lot and I

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<v Speaker 1>hit the brakes really hard and he sort of stumbles

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<v Speaker 1>and I scream, Oh my God, and I was so

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<v Speaker 1>enraged and I lost my mind. Okay, can I talk.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the longest story in the world. UM. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we have this conversation every single time we

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<v Speaker 1>have a car trip where I beg you not to

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<v Speaker 1>lay down the discipline at the beginning of a three

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<v Speaker 1>hour car The thing is, I didn't no becauld use you.

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<v Speaker 1>From the very beginning. You were like, I need you

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<v Speaker 1>to put this code on, Like, here's how this would

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<v Speaker 1>have played out for me. How it started. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to try it on anyway, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you continue to lay down ultimatum after ultimatum, a drawing

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<v Speaker 1>lines in the sand for him to get upset about.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I say how I would have done this interaction?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm upset at how much you keep trying to describe

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that you weren't there for it. But go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>you just described it in great detail for five minutes straight.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have a pretty good gist of what

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<v Speaker 1>went down. Well, the point of that setup was to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how I've reacted him since then, which I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that it has been at the start of every

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<v Speaker 1>single trip we take. Um, here's how this would have

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<v Speaker 1>played up for me. I'm a mom, I'm planning a trip,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm packing, I'm trying to get things to car, snacks,

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<v Speaker 1>all these things, trying to keep everyone in my family

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<v Speaker 1>happy and calm. Because I have three miserable hours stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with them in a car. I realize we need a coat.

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<v Speaker 1>I go into target. My son starts being difficult. I say,

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<v Speaker 1>I distract. I say, hey, do you think if we're good,

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<v Speaker 1>we could maybe get a pack of gum on the

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<v Speaker 1>way out of here? You are so condescending. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I leave to target. Oh, oh yeah, you just bail

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<v Speaker 1>on the jacket. You know what should I would buy

0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the jacket, but I would just distract him from his stubbornness. Ah, well,

0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.800
<v Speaker 1>you might have done it. You might have nailed it.

0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:02.520
<v Speaker 1>We'll never know. As a result, he had a freak

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<v Speaker 1>out on the way back. And boy, I handled it great.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what tonight? I am was incredibly overwhelmed today

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of things, and I shut down at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point, and you very dramatically shut down. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really bad, and I literally just had to

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<v Speaker 1>go lay down. Can I say what happened? I came home,

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<v Speaker 1>I came early from work because it's like stormy outside,

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<v Speaker 1>and I walk in the front door. The kids are

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<v Speaker 1>directly in front of the door, blankets spread out. There's

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<v Speaker 1>like toys ulster and all over the place, and like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like weird messes, like where they got

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<v Speaker 1>into things that are not for kids. And they're like

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm like what were they doing? Why is this

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<v Speaker 1>thing here? And like where is my husband? And then

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<v Speaker 1>I go and you're laying down in the dark in

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<v Speaker 1>the bedroom, clearly overwhelmed by something. Uh, And so I

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<v Speaker 1>closed you in there and and you cleaned up the night.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know how much I appreciate it, because it

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<v Speaker 1>was me trying to start unloading the dishwasher after making

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<v Speaker 1>dinner that caused me to snap, and I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>way down. But I'll tell you what. I was so

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<v Speaker 1>defeated by the day that I had no energy to

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<v Speaker 1>be confrontational with my kids, and I just let them

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<v Speaker 1>sort of pass through me. See that's me a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. I'm just like I'm so tired, and

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<v Speaker 1>like I need this Sunday to involve rest and just

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<v Speaker 1>eat lunch meat, whatever you want. The thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>great is that I had no I had no frustrations

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<v Speaker 1>with them, I had no anger towards them. I had

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<v Speaker 1>just was going through a personal crisis and anything they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing, I just remained completely calm. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>almost zero fighting all night in bedtime. You know, you

0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.760
<v Speaker 1>saw them freaking out of bedtime. I had to lay

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<v Speaker 1>down the law and do ultimatums, but I did it

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<v Speaker 1>with zero attitude and zero aggression and it was easy.

0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.800
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't and I was like, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>remember what this feels like, minus the defeated, exhausted apart

0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and just be be liquid not a wall. Does that

0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:38.800
<v Speaker 1>make sense? Yeah, I'm drinking vodka cranchon. What am I? Nineteen?

0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:46.000
<v Speaker 1>That was? That was a very specific college thing I

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<v Speaker 1>got drunk on once that it's real gross to me. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what's yours? You made? You made a drink that you

0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:58.280
<v Speaker 1>now think it's gross. Um, it's something I drank excessively

0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.959
<v Speaker 1>one night before I knew what that meant. And so

0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.959
<v Speaker 1>now that vodka is ruined for me. The thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I think is a gross that I would drink when

0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like underage, like or people around me. I

0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:17.040
<v Speaker 1>would drink is like, um, oh my god, what's it

0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.080
<v Speaker 1>called in the Big Lebowski with the kohlua and milk?

0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Right Russian? White Russian? Um, we would drink those for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. It's like you and I went through a

0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.280
<v Speaker 1>white white Russian kick in two thousand. It's like it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes you feel gross after a while, Like you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>why am I drinking all this like sugar and milk?

0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, it's not you're it's like a milkshake,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why it's so delicious? I mean I do stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I think it's fine if you're at like

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<v Speaker 1>a holiday party or something and you have like one drink,

0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 1>but like you just it's not like something you should

0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 1>This is my tenth white Russian, so gross, but one

0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.679
<v Speaker 1>is yummy? Yeah? Should we get back into white Russian?

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.440
<v Speaker 1>What if that's where this goes? Next week? You guys,

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear this clinkety clanketty, it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>white Russian And now it's time for do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're saying? This is where we talked about shit.

0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, ships our kids say, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about our kids saying we used to have on

0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that was like, we knows why they're saying the darndest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember um because intro it's a different title. Yeah,

0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:57.320
<v Speaker 1>we can't remember anything. Um. So tonight I was pulling

0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.840
<v Speaker 1>out Brent's school photos because I was going to cut

0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 1>some up for to give out to people, and um,

0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.439
<v Speaker 1>the class photo was out and Brian saw it and

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.600
<v Speaker 1>he was like, I mean, first of all, he got

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.879
<v Speaker 1>mad at me because he was like, he was like,

0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about how we're going to give some

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of the photos to his grandparents, and he was like,

0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.160
<v Speaker 1>we can't give them this one because it's like all

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<v Speaker 1>of his friends. And he's like and I'm like, no,

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:24.640
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, We're not going to give him that one.

0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.199
<v Speaker 1>And then he was like holding the photo over by

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<v Speaker 1>himself and looking at the kids, and he was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at this girl, Reagan, and he was like whispering to

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<v Speaker 1>himself and he goes, don't forget about me, Reagan. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't know if he saw that on

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<v Speaker 1>like an X Men cartoon or something like don't forget

0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 1>about it. Just feels like he saw someone like wistfully

0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>staring at like a photo, Like, where did he come

0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.760
<v Speaker 1>up with that? Because he left the room. He was like,

0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what are you saying? And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what nothing? And then he left the room and as

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 1>he was walking away, he did it again. He was like,

0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 1>don't forget about me, right, listen, I don't want to

0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:14.280
<v Speaker 1>project anything onto Mike into my children. Um, but he

0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>had inklings if he talks about how cool she is, Yeah,

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean he he likes a lot of kids in

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 1>his class. Yeah. So it's it's hard to tell because

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.680
<v Speaker 1>he was talking about having girlfriends. But then it became

0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:30.919
<v Speaker 1>clear that he just thought girls, you're friends. What are

0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:36.919
<v Speaker 1>called girlfriends? Um? So he doesn't idiot. He does love

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:44.600
<v Speaker 1>like romantic love stuff though. Oh so we watched Home Alone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing Thanksgiving break And it's the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>think he would transition this into we knows what they're watching?

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.520
<v Speaker 1>We already did, okay, And I think it's the first

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<v Speaker 1>time you sat through an entire live action movie. Maybe

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 1>that might not be true. It feels like the first

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<v Speaker 1>time our kids have watched like a classic live action

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.320
<v Speaker 1>kids movie. Like, I'm sure they've seen other things, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty rare that they sit still and like

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<v Speaker 1>like watching the whole movie. They watched the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They loved it. I love he keeps going. Remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin put the soap on his face and said, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep explaining what after shave is that it's pointless.

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<v Speaker 1>But they love it. They love the violence. This sort

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<v Speaker 1>of actually the Maven sometimes she the um robbers will

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<v Speaker 1>come on, she goes, I don't like the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>She got scared. She got a little scared during parts

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and she left the room during Home aloan too,

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 1>but Come Alone one, which is an excellent movie. There's

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<v Speaker 1>some rough language in there for five year old. They

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<v Speaker 1>were very violent. They used the word ass more than once.

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<v Speaker 1>In Homeland who they They literally show a clip from

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<v Speaker 1>a black and white film where a woman is shot

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<v Speaker 1>to death on screen, like it's they do that in one,

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's like I know both times it's very violent.

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Keep the change of fealthy animal. I love one. There's

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<v Speaker 1>all the so I wish they could replace those scenes

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 1>like they should do an edit. It's just like no, no,

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 1>don't touch the thing. So that house so violent. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also one scene where I was tempted to cover Maven's eyes,

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>which is like, because I hate watching people get hurt.

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>You arrived when he steps on the nail, when he

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>says something nails so gross. Me didn't disturb me until

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I was older. Yeah, probably, but me, I think maybe,

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and I are sensitive to watching people get hurt. Well,

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 1>she seemed like overall she loved it. People falling down here.

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I think when the falls are really comical and it's

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>like slipping like that's funny, Like that's funny for most people.

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 1>It's when it looks like like when you're seeing an

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:05.160
<v Speaker 1>iron get dropped on someone's face and like they're burned skin.

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 1>That's when I'm like that favorite part. She described it

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.199
<v Speaker 1>in a weird way if she didn't know what it was,

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>but she thought it was really well there. Yeah, there's

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>parts of it where they don't understand what's happening, But

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 1>as you get older, it's disturbing. What is it? What

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>does buzz say? I wouldn't I wouldn't let you sleep

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>in my room if you were growing on my ass.

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:32.879
<v Speaker 1>The tension between Kevin and his family is so well done.

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>When she takes when Katherine Harritt takes upstairs, he goes

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<v Speaker 1>up to the attic, you really feel her like making

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:49.920
<v Speaker 1>some not necessarily empathetic choices, but you feel her exhaustion

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 1>as a mom who's trying to pack like a bajillion

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 1>kids for a trip. Well, when he says, I hope

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I'd never see any of you ever her again, and

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>she goes, I hope you don't mean that. I do,

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I teared up. Yeah, when you become a parent,

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>suddenly you have to rewatch every movie you've ever watched,

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and now there's a whole new layer where you're like, oh,

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:21.360
<v Speaker 1>now I get it. I got teary during that fight

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>scene in him saying that he wished they had all disappeared.

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>You'd be pretty sad if you woke up to morrow

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>morning and you had no family. No, I wouldn't. Oh,

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 1>this is another funny and at the end, but at

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 1>the end when she comes home, it's very emotional. And

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Brand cried when he hugged his mom and she was back,

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to hug him and cry toive. I

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>do think it's like a really primal thing to make

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>kids movies about like not having a mom around, Like

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it's so like kids are like that's the worst. Um,

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>I just started reading reading James the Giant Peach tonight,

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and the first two chapters are harsh, like Aunt's aunts

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Spiker and on Sponge are terrible and they just make

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>him cry. And the end of the second chapter he

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>runs off and just sobs into his hands. So Bryn

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>had another do you know we know's what they're saying

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 1>moment after the movie where I was like, so, Bryan,

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>what was your favorite part? And he was like, remember

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>when they left him alone. It's like he's just so

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 1>casual about it. He's like, do you remember the part

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 1>where they left him alone? His favorite part was the

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 1>full premise of the movie thing when he was home alone.

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.239
<v Speaker 1>He has a good point that like that's sort of

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the crux, Like that's really what's driving the movie. So

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the same town as to where

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>that movie was filmed. I know, well, it's it feels

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.719
<v Speaker 1>like a very weird set up for going there for Christmas,

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>because I was like, there's multiple airport scenes in O'Hare

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, we're gonna be there, Yeah, We're

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna be at this airport and they go their house,

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:15.199
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be four blocks from that house. I just

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>gave you a hint tist to where you can find us. Um,

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.479
<v Speaker 1>the poor people that own that house now they had

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:23.439
<v Speaker 1>to put up a big fence because now that the

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Internet has happened, there's fucking weirdo idiots like sneaking into

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>their backyard. They have all these signs up. That's like

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>no trespassing because clearly people go around the back of

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>their house and take pictures and ship It's like, don't

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>don't do that. Don't do that. People don't go into

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>other people's yards. Never although has there ever been a

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>movie where a house was a more central character, Like

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I know every room in that house, the story telling

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Satanic room. I don't remember what handeck room, have it?

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>On the hill? I don't remember the physical space cabin

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>on the hill, pork drop Bay, what's the one inferno?

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Towering inferno? I mean you're naming movies where buildings are locations,

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But what movies have buildings in which you could describe

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>the relationship of all the rooms or you can visually

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>picture how everything connects. I don't think you can visually

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>picture how everything connects in the home alone. I could

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>draw you a picture. No, you couldn't I'm if it

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't so late, I would I would demand that we pause,

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and I would draw a picture, and then we'd google

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>it and compare. Well, because you lived in a town

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>where this house was, you've seen it from all angles. Well,

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I've not been inside it. There are plenty of movies

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>where people are iconically familiar with this set at location.

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying there aren't other movies. Downtain Abbey. I

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>couldn't tell you how that thing's put together because he

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't watch the show closely, not as closely as you've

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>watched Home Alone. It's true. I've seen Home Alone times

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.719
<v Speaker 1>best Christmas movie. Just think about movies before you make

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>grants sweeping statement. I'm thinking about all the other ones,

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>all the other one. You're thinking all the other ones,

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the Millennium Falcon, I don't even know that as well. Nope, Hogwarts,

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it's connected. Well, that's partly because

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>they changed those locations between movies. Gimmy started. But could

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you could you say where the shire is in location

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>in relation to um bag End? A bag End is

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>in the shire? Yeah, come on, I meant the town

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of Bree. It's the next stop the riven Dad, I

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>don't even got those forest elves. And then we got

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to go down that river, that waterfall and Florian Gondorum.

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>This is movie crush. Chuck Bryant, Um, Chuck Bryant. We

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>need to plug at least once every podcast. It's true.

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so Check texted me because um, we mentioned him,

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>but he also wanted to say that I said something

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>that I didn't realize I said, which is I meant

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>to And even as he was texting me, as I

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand what he was talking about why it was

0:30:55.720 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>so funny, But I meant to say, um, all presses,

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>any press is good press. All press is good press.

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>But I said all news is good news and that

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense. Yeah, well, we get tired when we're

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>recording this podcast, but you know, all news is good

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>news in my book. Oh boy, this is empty. How's

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that white Russian? It's hey man, the dude abides And

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>now it's time for Did you notice this is where

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>we share some stuff that we read or learned recently. Beth,

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.959
<v Speaker 1>you got one, take it away? Okay, So there's an

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>article from the New York Times by Jessica Gross. It's

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>called Early motherhood has always been miserable. Um. And then

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>they quote this thing says, I declare, if I thought

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I was to be thus occupied for the rest of

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>my life, one new mom wrote in eight I would

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>lie down and die. Um. And so the article sort

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of like goes on to explain that like traditionally middle

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>ages and earlier people people considered babies to be basically

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>hell beasts, and they acknowledged how exhausting they are. Um.

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:40.719
<v Speaker 1>And then around the Victorian age and and afterwards they

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>started creating sort of this idealized version of motherhood to

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of like keep these as. As society industrialized in

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>middle class white women were no longer being put to

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>work all the time, they had to shift their focus

0:32:56.280 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to exclusively child rearing and um, so they created this

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of like fiction of how mothers are so constantly

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>loving being around their children, their precious, beautiful children, and

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>it's so easy and it's it just comes so naturally

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to us, and we love it. I like this article

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 1>set it up. Set it up that in juxtaposition of

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>non juxtaposition, in mirroring today's sort of the idealized Instagram

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>version of motherhood. Look at my perfect family, I lay

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>my baby out and see the here's the three month picture,

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:41.959
<v Speaker 1>and they've got an elaborate you know, all that stuff.

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>If you do that, that's fine, that's great. But and

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>then also the you know, the comedians and writers of

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the Parenting as Hell, down in the down in the

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 1>muck um and this article is a really interesting job

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of painting a picture of around this time. You're describing

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>as that's always been true, just in a different media format. Yeah. Well,

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's interesting because I think when it's one of

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>those weird paradoxes where when women were sort of doing

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:21.280
<v Speaker 1>more like exclusively child rearing and like maintain the household

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, they almost feels like in some ways they

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>got more respect for it. And then as we've started

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>like making up like these various um standards for women

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>to live up to, where we sort of just like

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>devalue them all and like, uh, don't give credit for

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the effort that goes into them. That's interesting. I don't know,

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just very how do you feel let's talk about

0:34:53.080 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about ah, how how do you

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>how do you present yourself as a mother to the world. Well,

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously today I'm doing this podcast, and I

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>wrote a book about pregnancy called There's No Manual. You

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:15.919
<v Speaker 1>can pre order now out February fourth, um. But I

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>when I first became pregnant, I feel like in the

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I think this is a general thing, but especially like

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>in New York thing, I kind of felt like everyone

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, Wow, what a lame choice you've made. Why

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.439
<v Speaker 1>would you want to have children? I guess you're someone

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>who just loves children and is boring and bad. Like

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of the vibe I got from people that

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like men don't get that reaction. Like I

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 1>had moments where I would like be getting drink, like

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>drinks like in sort of like a networking type of

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:50.800
<v Speaker 1>comedy setting, and like some guy would be like talking

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>to me, like very interested, and then like I would

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>say something about being pregnant when I guess I was

0:35:56.680 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>not like visibly pregnant, and like their reactions on people

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:05.439
<v Speaker 1>faces and like how they're regard for me just fell

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 1>so swiftly and like it was just but it's like

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>such a weird thing because it's like I thought you

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>were a sex object and now you're a mom. Like

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>it's just like this weird, Like or do you also

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>feel like maybe you've got some of the like, oh

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe now you're fragile, and I don't know, it's a

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of things, but it's just like I don't think people.

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>We live in the society that devalues women. Therefore, women

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>doing some of the most valuable and intrinsically female behavior

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of procreating, are are essentially devalued the most because if

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>we've valued what is being done by women in terms

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>of bearing and raising children, we would have to acknowledge

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 1>that all of society needs to be restructured around this

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>like incredibly hard, crazy thing that people are doing. Like

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just like it's um, I don't know, it's very

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like just so weird. Do you live in a

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>world where when you look around at your mom friends

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, wow, these people are raising kids or

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>holding down jobs there helping their husband with his various

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>health issues. They're like they're just like the like, it's

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:23.839
<v Speaker 1>some of the most capable people I know, and it's

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 1>not just at home, but like in their jobs and

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>there whatever. And then to know that they're being treated

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>like they're lesser than when in situations when they're actually

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 1>more capable is very frustrating because it's like we devalue

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>any kind of emotional labor, anything that requires intuition, anything

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that requires like sensitivity, where like, oh, that's just dumb,

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>bad work, like you know, Like, yeah, I also feel

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right you you mentioned this, but you know,

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>in our social article at the time, do we really

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>have any close friends with babies and so on? On

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>top of that are very specific scenarios people like I

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know, it's not a real thing until

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>we did it, and they especially didn't know how to.

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I also think when you live in a world that

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>operates all around all of these different structures and schools

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 1>and daycares and whatever, like, it's I think it's very

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>hard for a lot of people to not like when

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>you experience a life change like this, like you get

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>married or something like suddenly you're part of like the

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>marriage industrial complex. If you're not thoughtful or like, or

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're you like, don't even notice necessarily that you're

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 1>aware of all these pressures on you to behave a

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>certain way as you're experiencing this thing that like are

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>not necessary, like and you know what, I'm just gonna

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>as usual just sort of swing this into an endorsement

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.799
<v Speaker 1>for Elizabeth Warren. But what I love about her candidacy

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>so much is that she really understands the struggles real

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>people are facing, real women, real moms, women trying to

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>have jobs so they can both support their children and

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>be there for their children. Like I just I like

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>when she she had this really beautiful moment on the

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>campaign trail this week where this young girl who was

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.479
<v Speaker 1>nearly in tears was asking her what she's done when

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>someone she loved didn't like respect her thought decision or

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>thoughts about something. I don't remember the question exactly, but

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>it was like, have you ever been in a position

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 1>where somebody really cared about, like, did not support you?

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>And Elizabeth Warren starts like also kind of like tearing

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>up and talking about her mom. Her mom had raised

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>her to believe that she needed to marry well and

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that that was the goal. And I'm sure that was

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>not an uncommon thing for a mother of Elizabeth Warren's

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 1>mother generation to try to steer their daughter towards because logistically,

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 1>she wants her daughter to have a good life, and

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 1>she comes from a generation where women didn't work. And

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Warren when she was divorcing her first husband in

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the marriage wasn't working out. Her mom was really disappointed

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 1>in her to not make it work, and she's like,

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't make it work, and like that's what

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I love about her candidacy is she understands like real life,

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Like she will weave stories like this and stories about

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 1>her dad having a heart attack and her mom having

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to go to work for the first time like shell.

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>She understands the things that real people are going through

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and the ways that the structures that we have set

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>up in our society are not allowing people to live healthy,

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 1>happy lives. There was some some stories this weekend of

0:40:53.360 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>those those same generational expectations that seems so crazy to

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>hear now that you mean, like from my mom whose

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>father wanted her to get married and not he was like,

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 1>he'll just get a man to take care of you.

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to go to nursing school. And it's

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's that was not that long ago, where well

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because it's not just like offensive and like

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, limiting, but it's also just bad life advice.

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Like my my mom is always like in retrospect, if

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't had a job, I don't know how we

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:35.919
<v Speaker 1>would have survived, Like she needed a job. Like it's

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>just it's but like he didn't have any other reference.

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I can't relate to um growing up in

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>a place in time where like, yeah, that there, you

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't see other options, and so it's like, oh, yeah,

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's how people do it, right, But it's detached

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 1>from reality, and it's detached from women's reality, and it's

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 1>detached from like the like observing the women around you

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and what they're experiencing. Because like my grandfather said that

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>to my mom. His his dad died of tuberculosis when

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>he was like a baby, Like he didn't like his

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>mom obviously was supporting him. He grew up poor, he

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>had jobs, like after school jobs from a very young

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:24.280
<v Speaker 1>age to like support the family, Like he it shouldn't

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>be a mystery to him that like work is not

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a thing to like deny yourself, Like I'm sure his

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>mom was working. Um, it's just we uphold these ideas

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>of like, especially with white women, this like form of

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 1>white womanhood that is like the purest best way of

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 1>being and it's like it's narrow and limiting but also

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 1>too many boxes to check at the same time, like

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>it's it's an impossible standard. Well, I think we can

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>all agree that we're glad your mom went to nursing school.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very glad um And uh, would I have would

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<v Speaker 1>I know you if she hadn't? Um? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe who does I mean? So thank you best mom

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<v Speaker 1>for not listening to that advice. And thanks for the

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<v Speaker 1>heart surgery that my mom had at a very young

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<v Speaker 1>age that had inspired her to be a nurse. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Your mom's the best mom. We had one

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<v Speaker 1>of the, as I understand, one of the very early

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<v Speaker 1>first open heart surgeries before it was a common thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, yeah, it was very one of they

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<v Speaker 1>were it was very new for them to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>open heart surgeries, specifically on children I believe, but probably everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and they it was one of those things where they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know if it's gonna work. So then when

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.399
<v Speaker 1>it did work, they would like parade her around like hey,

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 1>look at that. They would literally throw parades like they'd

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<v Speaker 1>have like a miss Art fun thing and like have

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>these like little girls who had hearts are like March

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>March girls stands around and proved to people that healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>is a worthy thing. Um. Yeah, well, I'm glad that

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>worked out. I'm glad she's alive and that I was

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 1>able to be an alive person. I'm glad that you

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>were able to be an alive person, because this podcast

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>would be real awkward if you weren't one. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Peter and uh make Believe Corpse, an awkward show

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:38.439
<v Speaker 1>that nobody likes and makes everyone uncomfortable because I'm gonna

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:44.280
<v Speaker 1>stop it explaining this. Um anyway, babies are actually terrible.

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Get their records straight for the rest to live with

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the baby they are. My favorite quote in this article

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<v Speaker 1>is in the Middle Ages, they referred to them as,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, hell beasts. I'm like, yeah, you know,

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>sometimes our kids are a little hell beasts, you know, argurt. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think also back then they were like, well, that

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>woman probably have like ten babies. We don't need to

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 1>value this one specifically. We'll start valuing it when it

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>lives past two. I mean, half of these aren't going

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to make it. Yeah, they were like, let's not invest

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 1>too much in the agricultural revolution. When everyone sat down

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and started farming, they produced so much food that you

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>could have a bunch of babies, but way more of

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>them die because we're all unhealthy. Can I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>one of the funniest things one of my midwife said

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<v Speaker 1>to me after I think while I was pregnant or afterwards,

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>after the baby. I can't remember. One of the midwives

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 1>who is this really no nonsense woman who I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of love, but she's like, can be very curt um.

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<v Speaker 1>She was talking to me about breast feeding and talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like trying to get like a not painful latch,

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>because you know, no one wants a painful latch. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to force these kids to learn how to do

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<v Speaker 1>it or it's not killing you. But she was saying

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<v Speaker 1>she would should be like if you were like living

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<v Speaker 1>in like cave times or something, and this baby is

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>like gnawing you're nipple off, you just leave him under

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>a bush. Like she was just like, you wouldn't put

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 1>up with that. Like she's like, and it's really funny

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>to hear that because you're just like, oh, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>if this is if I was just going on primal

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>instincts and I was like, this thing came out of me.

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.319
<v Speaker 1>It's sucking the life out of me. And it's incredibly

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>painful and I'm tired and sore and i just want

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.800
<v Speaker 1>to like not like you can see how in certain

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 1>situations of like desperation, like it makes sense why like

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 1>women literally experienced psychosis and maybe under bush. But that's

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 1>why that cry, that cry gets you back. You're you're

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:49.879
<v Speaker 1>run out of the cave and you're like, I'm through

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 1>with that. Then you hear but you're like, oh, no,

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 1>other emotions, but you have to bond with the baby first,

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't always happen. There's a lot of conflicting

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>rewards system was in your brain. And that's why if

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:07.399
<v Speaker 1>you're a postpartum woman in the modern world, if you're

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 1>experiencing difficulties, you should seek help from a mental health

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 1>professional because it's very common to feel horrible for help. Okay,

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 1>have you talked enough about the hell beasts? Yeah, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been another episode of We Know his parenting.

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