Speaker 1: The first year you went to Berningman where you just
Speaker 1: did you build something that year?
Speaker 2: Or no, the first year I went, I was kind
Speaker 2: of chorused that you have to be coorse, at least
Speaker 2: in the old days, you have to be chorus because
Speaker 2: like you can't. You don't really know what it's like.
Speaker 2: There's no videos that you have, like a couple's like
Speaker 2: film photos.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't sex and drugs and just all
Speaker 1: kinds of debauchery. It sounds terrible.
Speaker 3: Pashash show, Welcome to Toss Show, How are my Toshikole's doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Want you hit me with some of that selling
Speaker 1: Sunset Free Library hip hop club music? That show the
Speaker 1: music and the b roll and then the wardrobe. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like this show. You look at this outfit
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, okay, I couldn't wear that, but
Speaker 1: somehow when I see it on an A list star
Speaker 1: it looks amazing. How you doing, Eddie?
Speaker 4: Doing good?
Speaker 1: How are you you care about your wardrobe? Nope, Ah,
Speaker 1: that's a shame. That's a shame, Eddie. It's really a
Speaker 1: great way to express yourself if you have tons of
Speaker 1: extra money. Hey, I heard Eddie that last week's guest
Speaker 1: really lit up the comment boards.
Speaker 4: Well, it's got some really strong opinions about Jacqueline.
Speaker 1: People were just dying to let me know what they
Speaker 1: thought of Jacqueline the billionaire travel agent. Well, she's not
Speaker 1: a billionaire, but she's a travel agent four billionaires allegedly.
Speaker 1: What they have to say, let's hear.
Speaker 4: Ed that was absolutely fascinating and horrific at the same time.
Speaker 1: Exactly. You know people that I find interesting on the show,
Speaker 1: they don't have to be likable. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: this was the case, but I still find them interesting.
Speaker 4: She might be one of the most despicable people I've
Speaker 4: listened to. I love every second of it.
Speaker 1: Be sure to like and subscribe.
Speaker 4: Having this lady on definitely makes him look more in
Speaker 4: touch by comparison.
Speaker 1: And for the record, I am one thousand times richer
Speaker 1: than she is.
Speaker 4: I listened to the audio version first and came here
Speaker 4: to see what she looks like. She looks exactly how
Speaker 4: she sounds.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for streaming us on two platforms.
Speaker 1: That money will go right back into the show after
Speaker 1: everyone takes their cut.
Speaker 4: She's like a copy of Elizabeth Holmes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Elizabeth Holmes and Elaine Maxwell had a baby.
Speaker 4: Oh really down to earth check very natural as well.
Speaker 4: I forgot humble. If there's a heaven, She's indefinitely.
Speaker 1: Salt of the earth. Salt of the earth, well said
Speaker 1: comment her.
Speaker 4: Broad saved herself when she said she almost always shits herself.
Speaker 1: No matter what our political or economic differences are, we
Speaker 1: all have one thing in common. Everyone poops themselves occasionally yearly.
Speaker 4: Best part of waking up is Folgers in your butt?
Speaker 1: Is Folgers a sponsor? Folgers? You want to do the
Speaker 1: right thing.
Speaker 4: I love Korea. I go for the facials and shopping,
Speaker 4: so North Korea would be incredible. Yep, that's how that works.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was joking. I don't know. She likes North Korea,
Speaker 1: she loves China, and she loves Russia. There's a pattern.
Speaker 4: She's still kind of hot.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree. That's the type of woman I
Speaker 1: would end up having an affair with.
Speaker 4: Ah glad I stayed for the free plug. At least
Speaker 4: that was hilarious.
Speaker 1: But what's not hilarious is bowling bullying. I just hope
Speaker 1: this enthusiasm carries over to this week's guest, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, if you're wondering why I'm dressed so fly,
Speaker 1: It's because we're about to head over to the Plaia.
Speaker 1: Enjoy Pasha, my guest today, enjoys roughing it in the
Speaker 1: desert every year while installing beautiful, massive but temporary art
Speaker 1: installations that I personally will never see because spending a
Speaker 1: week in the middle of nowhere without ac and running
Speaker 1: water sounds like my idea of hell. But you do
Speaker 1: you please welcome back to the grid Berner, Jesse, How
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm well, all right, Jesse, let's get going.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2: I knew this question was coming, and still it hits me.
Speaker 2: The answer is gonna be no, okay, but only because
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of like the Alec Baldwin Gina Davis version,
Speaker 2: like bed sheets. My reference is hitting you or note
Speaker 2: but that versions no. But I think there's some like
Speaker 2: spiritual something going on.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put you down for you believe in ghosts.
Speaker 1: We'll see you're from Miami Beach. Talk about the cocaine.
Speaker 2: So I was there during the Miami Vice era. I
Speaker 2: will say that, but I was a kid and wasn't
Speaker 2: super privy to it. Our house was actually scouted as
Speaker 2: a potential shoot location from Miami Vice. So it gives
Speaker 2: you a sense of when I was there with the
Speaker 2: cigarette boats and the.
Speaker 1: And it gives me a sense of the decor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's changed quite a bit now it's fake Italy.
Speaker 2: It was like Neon and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy going back to Florida? It's not my place? No, No.
Speaker 2: I got the fuck out of there as soon as
Speaker 2: I could, and especially growing up, it was like people
Speaker 2: retiring there, and I liked the piece of it. But
Speaker 2: then when I was in high school, it became like clubbing, modeling,
Speaker 2: that whole thing, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like this a little much for me. Did you partake
Speaker 1: in drugs back then? Not then? No, I was like sixteen, No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't cool. But that would
Speaker 1: imply that doing the.
Speaker 2: Drugs with school, Well I understand what. I wasn't part
Speaker 2: of that crowd. I was like, you know, a nerd.
Speaker 2: And then I found a place where it was like
Speaker 2: more cool to be a nerd, which is a little
Speaker 2: bit like California, and.
Speaker 1: That should be on our billboards to stop them here
Speaker 1: to be a nerd. Yeah, it's cool to be a
Speaker 1: nerd in California. You went to Tufts University in Boston,
Speaker 1: and then you got your masters at Stanford. Just a
Speaker 1: huge overachiever. Go by the way, the third person on
Speaker 1: this show to have gone to Stanford. I'm just pointing
Speaker 1: that out to our listeners that we get very smart
Speaker 1: people on this show. Did you enjoy Boston?
Speaker 2: It's an interesting place to go to school. Lots of
Speaker 2: people your age. Boston during the nineties, though, like nothing
Speaker 2: good to eat, the weather socks like I was coming
Speaker 2: from Miami, so it's snowing.
Speaker 1: Everything's like kind of a drag.
Speaker 2: The thing I got out of it mainly though, was
Speaker 2: I was in a singing group. Again, not cool, but
Speaker 2: a singing groups. Every weekend we get in a van
Speaker 2: and go somewhere to go sing so.
Speaker 1: And is singing acapella. I love it, I know whatever.
Speaker 2: So every we again, so we go to like North Carolina,
Speaker 2: we go to Mischionan, we go to California.
Speaker 1: We literally just like all over the place.
Speaker 2: So I spent something like four weekends a year at
Speaker 2: Tufts and all the rest of it was at another school.
Speaker 1: And at some point we went to San Francisco and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, this is where the people that were
Speaker 2: nerds that like made something happened went.
Speaker 1: So that was that's where I ended up. Did you
Speaker 1: ever watch that reality show about the a cappella groups? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really a sing off? Was that one of them?
Speaker 1: And it was one of the boys to men? Guys?
Speaker 2: You know the weird thing. I don't like acapella. Oh
Speaker 2: asually everybody's like, oh, but yeah, dare you You want people
Speaker 2: to come to your concert?
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I like singing, but like I don't if they want
Speaker 2: to listen, that's that's on them.
Speaker 1: What about noises? Do you do the noises or did
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: I do the mouth noises the face sounds?
Speaker 1: You did?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's no you know, you need like a drum,
Speaker 2: so you're the drum.
Speaker 1: I know, but I didn't know. Usually there was like
Speaker 1: one guy in there that wasn't the best singer that
Speaker 1: would do that. Maybe that was me. I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Do you miss the Bay Area a little bit?
Speaker 2: I missed the food and I missed the like it
Speaker 2: was like a weird place when I moved there, which
Speaker 2: I like, And then it became all and again I
Speaker 2: am aware that I'm the tech community, part of the
Speaker 2: tech community, but it became all that, like all the
Speaker 2: art moved to Oakland, and then all the art moved
Speaker 2: out of Oakland to god knows where, and like that
Speaker 2: part I don't love.
Speaker 1: As an engineer, do you find you know way more
Speaker 1: than almost everyone that you're dealing with.
Speaker 2: No, However, I think I know different things. I see
Speaker 2: the world in a different way.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I look at things and I'm like, this microphone thing
Speaker 2: is like sagging.
Speaker 1: They couldn't have designed it that way.
Speaker 2: Is the mic too heavy or did they like design
Speaker 2: it before they anadized it, and then after they anidized it,
Speaker 2: there wasn't as much friction between these two things, and
Speaker 2: now it's falling and it was too late to fix it.
Speaker 1: So that's what I think about. That might be, that
Speaker 1: might be the answer. That's I always feel like when
Speaker 1: I watch people build stuff, I'm like, oh, I could
Speaker 1: do that better, but I sometimes you can't. I have
Speaker 1: to like see someone else do it. I don't have
Speaker 1: the ability to do.
Speaker 2: So I think I know different things, right, Like I
Speaker 2: notice things not people most of the time, like ninety
Speaker 2: percent of the time, which can be a problem.
Speaker 1: All right, explain your engineering background and what exactly some
Speaker 1: of your jobs entailed, to the best of your ability.
Speaker 1: I know you have a ton of NDAs that force
Speaker 1: us to not talk about some of the jobs that
Speaker 1: you took.
Speaker 2: So I'm like a soft engineer. So like my undergrad
Speaker 2: was half engineering and half psychology. So the whole point
Speaker 2: being like, you can make a thing, but let's actually
Speaker 2: pay attention to the person that's going to use it.
Speaker 2: So I was a recording engineer for a bit at
Speaker 2: the plant used to be the record plant in Salcelito,
Speaker 2: because I thought that was a really cool way to
Speaker 2: combine like engineering and emotion. Then I became an application developer.
Speaker 2: I was coding basically. I went to grad school for
Speaker 2: product design so I could design food.
Speaker 1: How long did you design food? Two and a half years.
Speaker 1: Talk about the chicken pot pie, Oh, council bluffs where
Speaker 1: they make them.
Speaker 2: I've been in many of the factories where they make
Speaker 2: peanut butter and chicken pot pies and frozen meals and stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's some of the cool things you see actually
Speaker 2: are when the food is real food. You're just making
Speaker 2: a million amount of time on a huge sheet roller
Speaker 2: with a big like sheet a dough. But a lot
Speaker 2: of these things are made the way you would make
Speaker 2: it at home, except you know, they have to make
Speaker 2: it to a price point.
Speaker 1: What's your job? What did you create?
Speaker 2: They basically come to you and say, in some cases,
Speaker 2: we're kind of out of ideas. We've been making this
Speaker 2: stuff for three years, five years, thirty years, and we
Speaker 2: can't make this Waco thing because no one who buys
Speaker 2: this product line will eat that Waco thing.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? What do we do now?
Speaker 2: Or they could say this is the one one moment
Speaker 2: of enjoyment. The person who's gonna eat this is going
Speaker 2: to have that week. It's literally a treat for them, right,
Speaker 2: They'll open up that chicken pot pie or that thing,
Speaker 2: and it's like they'll literally sit there and like that's
Speaker 2: the home cooked meal they get. And I know it
Speaker 2: feels a little sad, but for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: like that's their moment of comfort. So they might say,
Speaker 2: to me, how can we make this thing like more comforting,
Speaker 2: more enjoyable, Make it more of a moment for this person.
Speaker 1: The chicken pot pie. You know, every time I've had
Speaker 1: a chicken pot pie, I'll be honest with you, I'm
Speaker 1: probably in a sad state.
Speaker 2: And then I had no idea where you were going
Speaker 2: with that the chicken pot pie, because I love chicken
Speaker 2: pot pie.
Speaker 1: My favorite birthday meal is at the Old Place. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever been to this place, but
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful restaurant if you like a steak. But
Speaker 1: they also do a chicken pot pie there, and they
Speaker 1: throw tons of mashed potatoes on top of it, and
Speaker 1: it is just a shepherd's pie, chicken pop it is.
Speaker 1: It's a chicken pot pie, but they're just a heaping
Speaker 1: helping of mashed potatoes on I just love it. You
Speaker 1: designed US currency at one point, No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I worked at a branding firm that helped redesign that currency.
Speaker 1: That avoids my question. Yeah, I want to know how
Speaker 1: quick you could create counterfeit money? Uh yeah, No, don't know.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing that you've ever designed?
Speaker 2: So I worked at a company that makes vaporizers. I
Speaker 2: worked at Packs. It's a cannabis brand, so I was
Speaker 2: then in charge of product there. So I developed and
Speaker 2: launched a few of their vaporizers, which were pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Because our thing is I forget about the brand. But
Speaker 2: like the thing is, I want to work on products
Speaker 2: that people love and cove it and feel good about.
Speaker 1: I don't want to work on.
Speaker 2: Stuff that's just like the ens is your it is
Speaker 2: if it's the right one, right, Like it's not going
Speaker 2: to melt or blow up in your hand. It's like
Speaker 2: not going to lead stuff. It's made with care. You'd
Speaker 2: put it on your But the kids, the kids, well,
Speaker 2: it's not for them.
Speaker 1: I always confused Burning Man with Joshua Tree. That's that's weird.
Speaker 1: I never knew that burning Man where it was. It's
Speaker 1: north of Reno, one hundred miles, yeah, one hundred miles northeast. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's always.
Speaker 2: During what it ends on Labor Days, so it's always
Speaker 2: at the end of August, beginning of September.
Speaker 1: Always first week of college football. Genius school's just getting started.
Speaker 1: It's about time for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And used, I mean, none of it's practical, so it
Speaker 2: may as well be then, right, like pick the least
Speaker 2: practical week.
Speaker 1: When was the least practical place? What year was the
Speaker 1: first year you went? Oh six? Did you know about
Speaker 1: it when you like as a kid Florida.
Speaker 2: Or no, not no, I mean a long time ago, right,
Speaker 2: so like YouTube hadn't been a thing, Like it's not
Speaker 2: social media if you have to go before social media.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't really know about Burning MANA
Speaker 2: lists are in San Francisco or around there. So I'd
Speaker 2: heard about it for a few years, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is not for me, Like drugs, no thanks, crowds,
Speaker 2: no thanks. I don't particularly like camping, like almost all
Speaker 2: the things about it. If you put in a bullet list,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not for me.
Speaker 1: Who owns Burning Man?
Speaker 2: It's like a full on company, Oh, I thought, And
Speaker 2: it was all disappointing answers. Just one dude, there's a
Speaker 2: magical wizard who lives in the desert.
Speaker 1: Is it nonprofit? It's complicated.
Speaker 2: I think the part of it is, and part of
Speaker 2: it Isn't they have a whole thing about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, is there somebody overseeing this shit? Shows?
Speaker 2: A whole company of like fifty people or something full time,
Speaker 2: and it's so much work that they start planning the
Speaker 2: next one before the current one is done, like literally
Speaker 2: the second Burning Man, the man burns, They've already posted
Speaker 2: the theme for next year. Is this and because they
Speaker 2: already had to start planning it. It takes more than
Speaker 2: a year to plan Burning Man. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: a huge art grant organization. They give out a million
Speaker 2: and change in grants every year. It's like a lot
Speaker 2: of medical facilities and security and like you know, they.
Speaker 1: Have to pay the government a lot of money for
Speaker 1: the land. The first year you went to burning Man,
Speaker 1: where you just did you build something that year or no?
Speaker 2: The first year I went, I was kind of course
Speaker 2: that you have to be coarse, at least in the
Speaker 2: old days. You have to be coarse because like you
Speaker 2: can't you don't really know what it's like. There's no
Speaker 2: videos that you have, like a couple's like film photos.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't this thing. There's no sex and
Speaker 1: drugs and just all kinds of debauchery.
Speaker 2: It sounds terrible.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, that sounds good, but it's also the other things.
Speaker 2: I found a picture actually in some magazine or whatever
Speaker 2: where it was the first Burning Man. It was like
Speaker 2: eighty three or eighty four. I was not there, and
Speaker 2: it's literally like seven people with like a man they're
Speaker 2: screwing together out of some two by fours, Like it
Speaker 2: literally looks like if you went with your friends and
Speaker 2: have like a not great tailgating party on the beach
Speaker 2: in San Francisco and you're like, it's Burning Man. But
Speaker 2: twenty eight or whatever it is, year late, years later,
Speaker 2: now it's a big event, so there's a lot of
Speaker 2: controversy and like it's supposed to be countercultural all of that.
Speaker 1: But you have to buy a ticket. How much is
Speaker 1: a ticket? It's more and more every year. I think
Speaker 1: it's almost five hundred bucks. And how long does that
Speaker 1: ticket last?
Speaker 2: The event is a week, So if you buy it
Speaker 2: and you're not building anything, you're allowed in on Saturday
Speaker 2: night and you have to leave by like Monday, so
Speaker 2: it's essentially a week.
Speaker 1: But when you're building, you get to go a week earlier.
Speaker 2: So the people who are building a big camp or
Speaker 2: art can show up during build weeks.
Speaker 1: So that's a week early.
Speaker 2: Because obviously, if you're going to show up for the event,
Speaker 2: like you can't just say now you can start putting
Speaker 2: your stuff together, like nothing would be done right, Like
Speaker 2: you need to give people a head start of a
Speaker 2: week to assemble their camps that can house one hundred
Speaker 2: people or a big art. If you're building the temple,
Speaker 2: which is the biggest art project there. They might get
Speaker 2: there three four weeks in advance.
Speaker 1: Have you ever built the temple now?
Speaker 2: And we wouldn't invite it to submit a design for it,
Speaker 2: but we never b And what is the temple at
Speaker 2: Burning Man? There's a The biggest art project really is
Speaker 2: the temple, and it's always at a specific place on
Speaker 2: the plaia on the clock. It's a really ornate, non
Speaker 2: denominational kind of spiritual place and it's genuinely really emotional
Speaker 2: to go in because the cultural norm is everyone writes
Speaker 2: messages about people they've lost in the past year, regrets
Speaker 2: they have, They put pictures up of people that have died,
Speaker 2: and by the end of the week, every square inch
Speaker 2: of this enormous building is covered in writing and pictures
Speaker 2: and memorabilia and stuff. It's really like, I don't feel
Speaker 2: anything when I go into most like religious spaces and
Speaker 2: spiritual spaces, and that that place, the temple.
Speaker 1: Every year you really feel something and they have to
Speaker 1: tear it down at the end. Oh, they burn they
Speaker 1: burn that thing to everything burns to the ground.
Speaker 2: The man burns on Saturday, The temple burns on Sunday,
Speaker 2: and it's a very like somber, like people sit and
Speaker 2: they're crying because they're letting it be a cathartic.
Speaker 1: Well, I usually lead before all that. Anyway. My thing
Speaker 1: is do you oh yeah, like you don't even stick
Speaker 1: around and watch people enjoy your art? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I do, but I lead before. My favorite part
Speaker 2: is build week. I just want to be there and
Speaker 2: like I like heavy equipment. I want to like operate stuff.
Speaker 1: You pre build all year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might take like nine ten months to make
Speaker 2: the thing, and maybe we partially set it up if
Speaker 2: we can. We built something that was so big, this
Speaker 2: big sphere that in retrospect looked exactly like COVID, but
Speaker 2: we built it two years before COVID. Oh so you
Speaker 2: started we started COVID. Usual breaking news right here?
Speaker 1: Were you always artistic? Though? That word could have been
Speaker 1: one of two very close where it's you can answer either, Yeah.
Speaker 2: My mom's an art teacher. Okay, so we'll go with
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: Do you get paid for creating your art? There?
Speaker 2: You can get a grant, so in that sense, yes,
Speaker 2: but generally no so at Burning Man in a given year.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't work for Burning Man. My understanding
Speaker 2: is there's like five six hundred art pieces that go
Speaker 2: every year. Okay, out of that, maybe seventy of them
Speaker 2: got an art grant, and so you can apply for
Speaker 2: an art grant. You can be like, I'm want to
Speaker 2: build this thing and I want to take it to
Speaker 2: Burning Man, and it's going to cost me ten grand
Speaker 2: to make it, and the most you'll ever get as
Speaker 2: thirty forty percent of the cost, and so you put
Speaker 2: in the rest.
Speaker 1: You do a kickstarter or whatever. If I were to
Speaker 1: ask a gun to your head, how much you've spent
Speaker 1: on Burning the Man in your lifetime with for all
Speaker 1: your art projects and everything you have any idea where
Speaker 1: you're at.
Speaker 2: Well, the art projects are net positive, So that's a
Speaker 2: they're all positive, well at.
Speaker 1: This point they are, so that that's the beauty.
Speaker 2: Like you put in a little of your money, you
Speaker 2: get an arc rerant, you do a fundraiser, and then
Speaker 2: you're you're still a little in debt, right, but our thing,
Speaker 2: the whole goal, the hope for most people is you
Speaker 2: do it. You show your art, you impact whatever im
Speaker 2: pack you wanted, and then ideally you sell it or
Speaker 2: show it somewhere. And I think it's like a little
Speaker 2: bit of a dream for a lot of people, because
Speaker 2: it's like you have this dusty thing, now what. But
Speaker 2: we've gotten really lucky that we've put our things in museums.
Speaker 2: They've been in the Smithsonian, they were in Dubai, they
Speaker 2: were in Hong Kong, like, they've been all over the
Speaker 2: world and.
Speaker 1: Some percentage of years are they pre sold?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, No one knows that we put them
Speaker 2: at Burning Man.
Speaker 1: No one knows. We maybe have a reputation at this
Speaker 1: point a little bit. So now are they like, hey,
Speaker 1: we want first dibbs. Do you do you have a
Speaker 1: preference to where it goes? You don't know that.
Speaker 2: I think they need to see it first because our
Speaker 2: stuff is really specific. And so like we built these
Speaker 2: mushrooms for Burning Man called Truman Lumen, and are those
Speaker 2: ones that's like the change shape, Yeah, they're a handful
Speaker 2: that it's gone beautiful, thank you. And so those are
Speaker 2: the most We had a big debate in the team
Speaker 2: because we we just.
Speaker 1: Started with a poster it or like a little sketch.
Speaker 2: We're like, let's make this, and then we made a
Speaker 2: little hand model and it's like literally just like a
Speaker 2: paper thing and we're like, yeah, we'll build this. I
Speaker 2: came up with the name Schremann Luhman. And then a
Speaker 2: couple people in our group were like, we can't make
Speaker 2: these because everyone will think it's just a drug reference.
Speaker 2: No one will, Oh, it's not well, I mean it's.
Speaker 1: Art, right, it is whatever you want it to be.
Speaker 1: But okay, but TheRoom and that'll sell it.
Speaker 2: I know, I know we'll never sell it, will never
Speaker 2: show it, like you're screwed if we build these things.
Speaker 2: And a couple people thought, oh, that's not true, and
Speaker 2: then a couple of us were like, no, you're probably right,
Speaker 2: but let's build it anyway. There's something so delightful about them.
Speaker 2: And you can see a picture and they look really
Speaker 2: like kind of cute and whatever. But you watch them
Speaker 2: and genuinely old people and young people alike, like little
Speaker 2: todllers will walk up to it and they're just like
Speaker 2: amazed by the scale of it. And that's why everything
Speaker 2: we make. The scale is really how many were there?
Speaker 2: We have only ever made five. Three of them we
Speaker 2: sold to a museum last year, and then two of
Speaker 2: them are at the New York Potentical Garden. Right now,
Speaker 2: what's the tallest mushroom fourteen sixteen feet.
Speaker 1: And what's the act orgami material.
Speaker 2: It's corrugated polypropylene. So it's the same thing they make
Speaker 2: those mail carrier boxes out of. So it's like a
Speaker 2: it's like corrugated cardboard, but it's plastic, and we don't
Speaker 2: love that it's plastic.
Speaker 1: But the plastic sheds light.
Speaker 2: In a really interesting way, and it's a living hinge,
Speaker 2: so it can fold over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: And you know, we spend a gazillion hours basically welding
Speaker 2: the sheets together because there is no sheet big enough
Speaker 2: to make those mushrooms out of. So each head of
Speaker 2: the mushroom is something like a forty foot by twenty
Speaker 2: five foot sheet. So we have to weld the plastic together,
Speaker 2: which I didn't know was a thing. We all had
Speaker 2: to learn how to plastic weld.
Speaker 1: How do you plastic weld?
Speaker 2: It's like a heat gun with a filler thing, and
Speaker 2: you literally sit there and like melt the plastic at
Speaker 2: a very specific rate.
Speaker 1: You talk about a hot glue gun.
Speaker 2: It's like a hot glue gun, except it puts out
Speaker 2: air too, okay, And then we fold it.
Speaker 1: We weld it into a loop.
Speaker 2: And then we fold it and it takes like twelve
Speaker 2: fourteen people to fold it and that's one mushroom head.
Speaker 1: Where did you do all this folding? A lot of
Speaker 1: this we did at a company we used to work for.
Speaker 2: They had a shop we were allowed to use, you know,
Speaker 2: on weekends and evenings and stuff. But we then had
Speaker 2: a workshop in San Francisco for a few years. So
Speaker 2: I bought a forklift, which is like a weird thing
Speaker 2: to just be like, how do you even choose? You know,
Speaker 2: it's like you're like, how did my life end up
Speaker 2: being that I'm buying a fork What brand did you
Speaker 2: go with? It was a Yale Yale Yale. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're a sponsor to this podcast or not,
Speaker 2: but Yale forklifts.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we got rid of the workshop. But and
Speaker 2: I think in the future will probably build stuff in
Speaker 2: my own workshop.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it takes a lot of space. There's
Speaker 1: no electricity there is there.
Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of generators, so there's there's electricity there,
Speaker 2: but there's no like.
Speaker 1: There's no grid.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're in the middle of nowhere, like really nowhere.
Speaker 1: And so how's this heavy machinery. Who's bringing this.
Speaker 2: In Bernie Man, there's a square block of nothing but cranes,
Speaker 2: telehandler scissor lifts like to help erect.
Speaker 1: All the art. And you can just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I need that more or less.
Speaker 2: You're you're assigned. If you have an art piece that
Speaker 2: you've registered, you are assigned a person that helps you.
Speaker 2: That's from ass Art Support Services. Everything at burning Man
Speaker 2: has like.
Speaker 1: A I can't handle it.
Speaker 2: And they can request equipment from HEAT, which is heavy
Speaker 2: equipment and transportation, and be like, oh, I need a
Speaker 2: crank because I need a lift to happen. And the
Speaker 2: lift is whatever you call them. It's it's three thousand pounds.
Speaker 2: We're gonna live from here. We're gonna do that and
Speaker 2: then they'll they schedule it over the radios and then
Speaker 2: they come by and do it for you.
Speaker 1: Do you ever build anything out there and it didn't
Speaker 1: work because yours has a lot of moving parts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, shockingly, man, I don't know. This is not it's
Speaker 2: not would No, You're fucked. So we've had things that
Speaker 2: didn't work like as well as we hoped, but shockingly
Speaker 2: they work pretty well. And that big four and a
Speaker 2: half story COVID thing like we couldn't We never assembled
Speaker 2: that before we got to Bernie Man because the thing
Speaker 2: is like, I mean, it's four and a half stories tall.
Speaker 1: We need a crane. It takes a whole week to
Speaker 1: assemble it.
Speaker 2: Like we assembled a tiny little section of it and
Speaker 2: then we just got out there with cranes and telehandlers
Speaker 2: and just like.
Speaker 1: And who are these knuckleheads that are shirtless with hard
Speaker 1: hats that volunteer to help. It's our friends, I mean,
Speaker 1: but you have like real crws of like sixty people.
Speaker 1: Are you always the idea man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's me and my my my main art partner
Speaker 2: in all this. His name is your student. He's a
Speaker 2: German engineer. Also we met at this design company. We
Speaker 2: work together for years on it and now we just
Speaker 2: make art together. And he's a lot of the concepts
Speaker 2: come from him. He's like the origami guy. I think
Speaker 2: I'm more the builder of the two of us, because
Speaker 2: I just like, I know, most people say like tools
Speaker 2: are like a means to an end. They just learn
Speaker 2: how to use the tools so they can manifest their vision.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the opposite. I just want to use tools.
Speaker 2: I like using CNCs and milling machines and three D printers,
Speaker 2: and I like using heavy equipment. Having a project to
Speaker 2: build is just an excuse to get to use that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's what I like. If I get to go into
Speaker 2: the desert and use some telehandlers and big stuff and
Speaker 2: be in the air and like putting stuff together, Like
Speaker 2: that's really fun for me.
Speaker 1: Are you ever harnessed in due yea, oh yeah, crazy.
Speaker 2: They make you now. Oh in the old days they didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean he was he was watching, huh. But now
Speaker 2: they actually will come around and like blow a whistle
Speaker 2: and be like put on a harness. And luckily we
Speaker 2: know these days that we bring harnesses.
Speaker 1: But are there like this structure is not up to code.
Speaker 2: More now than there was before. But it's kind of
Speaker 2: a bizarre interpretation. So a few years ago there was
Speaker 2: a I'm gonna forget the name of the real piece,
Speaker 2: but it was basically a shishkeabab of cars of like
Speaker 2: ten cars on a big spike, so it was like
Speaker 2: sixty feet tall. This car car car, car, car car
Speaker 2: all the way up and each one was appointed differently.
Speaker 2: It had like astro turf and whatever, and you could
Speaker 2: literally climb all the way up.
Speaker 1: You are encouraged to climate, Well, that's the thing. It's burning.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: If it doesn't say not to climate, people say like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're encouraging to climb it, right, that's the default. But
Speaker 2: people are drunk and they're something else and they're right,
Speaker 2: and they're climbing it and it's slippery because it's covered
Speaker 2: in dust, and my understanding, they had to shut it
Speaker 2: down and put a rope around it and be like,
Speaker 2: you can't climb this because someone fell, not because they
Speaker 2: climbed something they shouldn't have, but because one of the
Speaker 2: cars actually started to split. And so my point is,
Speaker 2: if it looks dangerous and it is dangerous, they're kind
Speaker 2: of okay with that because it's your like, your call,
Speaker 2: Like that thing looks dangerous, if you want to climb it,
Speaker 2: it's on you, okay. They're not okay with stuff that
Speaker 2: looks safe and is dangerous. Like if it looks really
Speaker 2: stable and there's a staircase and all that, but the
Speaker 2: staircase is going to fall apart, the whole thing's gonna
Speaker 2: flip over like that, they have a problem.
Speaker 1: Now, we have to have proper railings all right. Now,
Speaker 1: who you identify the most but tech bros or the hippies,
Speaker 1: Which where do you fall?
Speaker 2: I'm like a weird one, right because like I work
Speaker 2: in tech kind somewhat like semi begrudgingly.
Speaker 1: And you own a vest. I own a vest, although it.
Speaker 2: Used to be like the stereotypical like Patagonia, you know,
Speaker 2: type of vest, and now it's like an actual work
Speaker 2: vest because I'm out building stuff and as like pockets
Speaker 2: for like construction pencils and stuff.
Speaker 1: So at least I feel good about that. So that's
Speaker 1: it for you right now? You are just an artist's
Speaker 1: Oh no, I have a job, you do? I know,
Speaker 1: it's really disappointing. I felt like that was I mean, well,
Speaker 1: because it's nine months of prep work.
Speaker 2: We only do it every few years. It takes a lot.
Speaker 1: Of Oh you don't do it every year? Now? Are
Speaker 1: you sad when you go and you haven't you don't
Speaker 1: have an installation?
Speaker 2: And I'm stop when I go sometimes anyway, Well.
Speaker 1: I'm just in general, when you go and you don't
Speaker 1: have a project that you're building, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It feels weird not to contribute, which is a Again,
Speaker 2: this sounds a little like, I mean, people to feel
Speaker 2: the guilt. But Berni Man only works and people like
Speaker 2: do something right. If like Bernie Man's not making the art,
Speaker 2: they're not doing any of that. So if people just
Speaker 2: show up and they just bring a tent and they're
Speaker 2: just like entertain me, show me art, and everyone does that,
Speaker 2: there's literally nothing there. There's just the man and a
Speaker 2: bunch of porta potties and some street signs like that's it.
Speaker 2: So it only works because people are like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to make a thing and put it there. I
Speaker 2: want to make an art car, I want to make
Speaker 2: a camp and play some music, like everybody does their
Speaker 2: own wack of thing. And so if I go and
Speaker 2: I'm joining a camp, like, yeah, we have some offering
Speaker 2: or something I feel good about if it's like a
Speaker 2: big enough offering, But yeah, I feel a little guilty
Speaker 2: if I'm not like have like a big art thing.
Speaker 1: It really is like like church, where you know there's
Speaker 1: people that do a lot and go above and beyond
Speaker 1: and are going to get into heaven, and then there's
Speaker 1: people that when the offering plate comes by, they just
Speaker 1: pretend that they put something in it and keep it going.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's it's cheesy, but it is it
Speaker 2: is a city, it's the third largest city in Nevada
Speaker 2: for that week.
Speaker 1: Is there a mayor? No? And which way does that
Speaker 1: city normally vote? If I were to.
Speaker 2: Guess, well, that's a I think you know which way?
Speaker 1: A bunch of conservatives. Yeah, probably not so much, but
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: There are people from all over the world too, so
Speaker 2: there's quite an international crowd there. And I mean, look,
Speaker 2: it makes it sound like I'm selling it. I'm not
Speaker 2: selling it. It's not for every buddy. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of crap involved in it too.
Speaker 1: Where do you sleep when you're there?
Speaker 2: A tent most of the time. I've never done an RV.
Speaker 2: A tent most of the time. But then at some
Speaker 2: point we were making big art. We had these big
Speaker 2: trucks with us every time because you got to bring
Speaker 2: a bunch of your stuff, bring the art. And at some
Speaker 2: point I was like, oh, we have a truck. Why
Speaker 2: isn't someone sleeping in the truck? And so for maybe
Speaker 2: five years I would rent a truck and then spend
Speaker 2: a day ahead of time just framing it out. I
Speaker 2: would just get some framing lumber and build like an
Speaker 2: apartment in it, because it's faster to do that and
Speaker 2: cheaper than to rent an RV.
Speaker 1: Do you get an AC unit?
Speaker 2: I have like an evaporative cooler and some solar panels
Speaker 2: and like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, this past year I did a tent though, Like
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's kind of the og, Like you
Speaker 1: sleep well on a tent.
Speaker 2: You're tired enough from everything that you sleep pretty well.
Speaker 1: What about porta potties? You have no issue using a
Speaker 1: porta potty as a grown man.
Speaker 2: I'd almost argue as a grown man, you should be
Speaker 2: able to be like, Okay, I can go to the
Speaker 2: bathroom in a porta potty. I feel a little worse
Speaker 2: for like women who have to get it'sick a lot.
Speaker 2: It's more complicated and they generally.
Speaker 1: Have to sit. I like, okay too, and now I can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you probably opt not to if you had. I do
Speaker 1: like the porta potty that has a time any little
Speaker 1: yurnal in the shop, A lot of them do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a nice little feature. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: can usually do that with my son. He can use
Speaker 1: the main one. Then I like look over like, oh god, no,
Speaker 1: he's got like his hands inside. Oh yeah, that's no,
Speaker 1: it's not good.
Speaker 2: They're generally pretty good at the beginning of the week
Speaker 2: or during build week, and then as as burning man
Speaker 2: goes on, they are like in worse and worse condition.
Speaker 1: I have a few small toilets that I have that
Speaker 1: I travel with. It's nice put that in your tent.
Speaker 2: Let's think through what my tent smells like with a bathroom.
Speaker 1: This thing's nice. This one's nice. It's got you just take.
Speaker 2: A composting one or like no, no, it's just a.
Speaker 1: Bag a bag of put one of those chemical pills
Speaker 1: in it that they can handle. A porta potty. It's
Speaker 1: only handling five gallons. And people bring like.
Speaker 2: A gel thing that like private pilots use because if
Speaker 2: you're flying a plane, like a small plane by yourself,
Speaker 2: there's no bathroom, so they have like these things that
Speaker 2: you can pee in that are like turned it into
Speaker 2: a gel immediately and then you.
Speaker 1: Can just like hug it in the back or whatever
Speaker 1: you do. I didn't know this. It's good. I got
Speaker 1: to get a couple of these gel packs.
Speaker 2: Hospital wipes are my like, that's that's the thing I
Speaker 2: found in year two. They're like they're like baby wipes,
Speaker 2: like wet wipes, but they are really thick because they're
Speaker 2: designed for like wiping down full people. Uh huh, so
Speaker 2: like hospital wipes. To bring a bunch of those, it's great.
Speaker 1: Oh you just use it as a bath. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a bath.
Speaker 2: Your girlfriend she go, yeah, she don't even once with me,
Speaker 2: but but.
Speaker 1: She's been before. No, that was that was it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's like I'm good. No, she loved Thank you
Speaker 1: for showing it. It inspired her to start making art again.
Speaker 1: Oh are people stealing bicycles? Yeah they are. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: are your questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I.
Speaker 1: Just see everybody walking around bicycles. I'm like, somebody's got
Speaker 1: to just go there and clean up. What are you
Speaker 1: eating out there all day? Are people cooking at the restaurants?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of camps that they're offering
Speaker 2: is food. They have like waffles and chicken for breakfast,
Speaker 2: or they have like whatever. That's that's a lot of
Speaker 2: the offerings are food.
Speaker 1: There's nobody grilling out now, there's people grilling. No.
Speaker 2: I had a friend who brought a whole smoker. He
Speaker 2: smoked like a whole like roast thing. Like it's the
Speaker 2: people do crazy stuff. There's a bunch of fishermen that
Speaker 2: used to come and they bring a whole frigerator like
Speaker 2: freezer truck with their catch, and literally every night they
Speaker 2: would just make a whole thing for like fifty people,
Speaker 2: and whichever fifty people showed up, that's their offering.
Speaker 1: And you have to pay or you're not. They're not
Speaker 1: allowed to charge you.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't pay any Like if you go
Speaker 2: to a camp in the offering us food, then they're
Speaker 2: just going to give you food. That's what they're contributing.
Speaker 2: Joining a camp generally cost money because it cost they
Speaker 2: have to rent trucks and set up shade, and it's
Speaker 2: whole production.
Speaker 1: What would they do to me if I brought a carnival,
Speaker 1: a carnival like actual rides, I think you could as
Speaker 1: long as you don't have to pay for it. Right, No,
Speaker 1: people would love it. I think I should bring a carnival.
Speaker 1: Bring a carnival, because who doesn't like a carnival? They
Speaker 1: truck them in, set up some rides, bring in they
Speaker 1: would love. Who wouldn't love that? What about the games too?
Speaker 1: They I mean they get wrecked, but bring it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they would do awful things. So you can't trust these
Speaker 1: kids that's the.
Speaker 2: Problem, and the and the wind and the dust and the.
Speaker 1: Enough about the dust, How is it that it's horrible?
Speaker 2: This year was great, it was almost no dust. But
Speaker 2: it's pretty bad most of the time. Do you what
Speaker 2: do you walk around the mass sometimes?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Goggles the whole thing. Oh yeah, that's right. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just stupid. Yeah, it's not just fashion. It
Speaker 1: actually like there's a reason. Have you been to other festivals.
Speaker 1: I'm not on a festival person. Have you been to them? Though?
Speaker 1: Have you been to watch mccallck.
Speaker 2: I live really close to Coachelle. I've never been to Coachella.
Speaker 2: It's too many people?
Speaker 1: Is burning them up? Music too or no?
Speaker 2: A little bit due for the city? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: there's there are more like DJs and things.
Speaker 1: Like that from Miami. Is that is that your roots?
Speaker 1: Do you still like club music? Can you handle it
Speaker 1: without wanting to throw up?
Speaker 2: The only place I like it is burning man?
Speaker 1: Does any huge acts ever come in? And just like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna perform now.
Speaker 2: Only of the like the specific type, right, there's like
Speaker 2: Tycho and Rufustel soul and like like there's things like that.
Speaker 1: There's not like live generally live performers. Why somebody hasn't
Speaker 1: Why isn't Taylor Swift? Like, you know what, watch this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into Burning Man with like four semis,
Speaker 1: set up my stuff and just do a free show here.
Speaker 1: And people that would think that they wouldn't like it
Speaker 1: or like, you know what, I would.
Speaker 2: Be very curious to see what would happen because it's
Speaker 2: a non commodified event, and so they'd be like, but
Speaker 2: she's a brand, Yeah, bringing your brand?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I would love to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, Taylor.
Speaker 2: I mean, in theory, no one can pay her to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: That's part of the kind of the rules. But yeah
Speaker 1: she needs it, No, she doesn't need it. You're building
Speaker 1: a tiny home in Joshua Tree by yourself.
Speaker 2: Did the framing, girlfriends helping with the sheathing. We did
Speaker 2: the underground conduit. So I'm doing a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, is it off the grid? Yeah, it's off off
Speaker 1: the grid. Is it permitted? Oh yeah, it's legit. Do
Speaker 1: you have the city inspectors coming out? Oh? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: they infuriate you with? I mean, how dumb some of
Speaker 1: them are? You know?
Speaker 2: If they watch this, My job is like really hard
Speaker 2: for the next year. Okay, let me reframing people just
Speaker 2: doing a job and they all do it.
Speaker 1: I built, I built from scratch, and I mean I
Speaker 1: did Coastal Commission for four years. Yeah, and just the
Speaker 1: nonsense that they make, the hoops that they make you
Speaker 1: jump through. But I have to say the cool thing.
Speaker 2: Everybody like makes fun of California and for right for reasons,
Speaker 2: But you actually can do all the work yourself and
Speaker 2: it can be permitted. They actually let you do it.
Speaker 2: You can do gas lines, you can do all your electrically,
Speaker 2: you can do framing. You can do all of it
Speaker 2: yourself and have it be permitted.
Speaker 1: If I have any work that I can roll the
Speaker 1: dice and not pull the permits, I just do it
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to let it go.
Speaker 2: You know they were recording this right, Yeah, I don't care. Well,
Speaker 2: it's even crazier because I'm like, way out there, I'm
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes off road.
Speaker 1: There's nothing there. You're bouncing the whole way to your place.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's dirt road. Yeah, that's exciting.
Speaker 2: So it's like you're not coming across me by accident.
Speaker 2: So it's like the idea that the whole thing actually
Speaker 2: is permitted, is like inspected is I mean? I guess
Speaker 2: good for me, But I'm not sure if I needed to.
Speaker 1: Talk the girlfriend into that type of lifestyle, she's the
Speaker 1: right one. She's a sex toy designer. You'd probably like
Speaker 1: talking to it. Hey, well that I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's a people person. How does she
Speaker 1: She don't want to be that fun that grid.
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one. We're both extreme introverts. We're
Speaker 2: not shy, but we're just like we want our peace
Speaker 2: and quiet. We want to make crazy art in the
Speaker 2: middle of the desert and just have it be like quiet.
Speaker 1: When you say tiny, what's your what's your square footage're
Speaker 1: gonna end up being.
Speaker 2: So the tiny home is really tiny. It's like three
Speaker 2: hundred square feet tiny, tiny, tiny. We're building a workshop
Speaker 2: also that's like two thousand square feet, which is like
Speaker 2: pretty big for the middle of nowhere. And people look
Speaker 2: at the plans and think we mislabeled them. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's like a bed and a kitchenette and a
Speaker 2: bathroom and then a much bigger workshop.
Speaker 1: Is the bed aloft or no.
Speaker 2: No good, it's gonna be a Murphy bed though in
Speaker 2: the future, like we can just leave it up and
Speaker 2: have it be like a painting studio or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't like that, Okay, I don't like you're not invited. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm well, I don't want to
Speaker 1: sleep there is what I'm saying. Okay, how close to
Speaker 1: finished are you? Oh? I'd forever?
Speaker 2: Like the home is, the tiny home is dried in.
Speaker 2: The inside's not don but it's dride and the outside
Speaker 2: is completely done. It looks done, but you go inside
Speaker 2: there and it's like there's no there's no dry wall and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: The workshop is almost dried in, so at least there's
Speaker 2: a roof in most of the walls, not not all
Speaker 2: the windows.
Speaker 1: And then there's nothing in there either. But it's getting there.
Speaker 1: Record high heat that you worked in this summer, you know.
Speaker 1: The fun thing is, so I live basically in Palm Springs.
Speaker 1: Really hot there. It's like one hundred and twenty something
Speaker 1: in the summer the peak.
Speaker 2: But this property is at elevation, so the hottest that
Speaker 2: gets there really ever is like one oh two or something.
Speaker 1: It's not that bad.
Speaker 2: It's very dry, there's a breeze if you're in the shade,
Speaker 2: it's not so bad.
Speaker 1: Do you like missed You're gonna put misters around it
Speaker 1: outside of your house. Okay.
Speaker 2: So there's like an interesting tangent here to burning Man
Speaker 2: that I don't know if you make a connection to
Speaker 2: they're always walking around people with missing bottles, because I
Speaker 2: think it's like a nice like oh and joy.
Speaker 1: It is like, please don't spray me. You don't like
Speaker 1: being I don't. If I'm already hot, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: If you then make me freezing for five seconds, that
Speaker 2: does not improve the quality of my life.
Speaker 1: Are you Latino at all?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Is there a connection between like being like five seconds
Speaker 2: of being freezing Latino?
Speaker 1: Every one of my Cuban friends from Miami fucking just
Speaker 1: gets freezing cold at the drop of a hat, Like
Speaker 1: it takes no time at all for them to complain,
Speaker 1: like can you turn the fan off? I'm like, all right, geez, anyway,
Speaker 1: everybody's on my show. I give them stuff a gift
Speaker 1: for being on my show, but it's just stuff around
Speaker 1: my house that I get rid of. So I have
Speaker 1: a few things for you. One, because you're always complaining
Speaker 1: about dust, and you have a tiny house. I just
Speaker 1: thought nice, nice little handy back to clean up around.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of these. Uh so I don't
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I appreciate this. Yeah you like that, then
Speaker 1: I want you to have this because anybody who's from
Speaker 1: Florida needs a Pelican somewhere, uh in their their like
Speaker 1: Oh I love this. Yeah, and it's metal. It was
Speaker 1: given to me because I'm from Florida, but I have
Speaker 1: a lot of pelicans already in my in my it's
Speaker 1: like a plasma copelican. Yeah, who would not like this?
Speaker 1: I got you, Uh, just zinc oxide and sunscreen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't do suncreen. I just buy zinc oxide. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's cheaper than sunscreen, but it's better. Love it,
Speaker 1: so love it. I got you this because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know why I have it. But oh I
Speaker 1: don't need It's never been used. This is is not
Speaker 1: full of fuel right now, there's it's not It's never
Speaker 1: been used. But I don't know why I have these.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything that takes gas or.
Speaker 2: I have generators and all sorts of stuff that needs this.
Speaker 1: Right, So that's right, that's for you this. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. It was in my closet. When
Speaker 1: they build out their filters.
Speaker 2: You're basically, can you identify the object I'm handing you?
Speaker 1: Tell me what this is and why you and what
Speaker 1: can you do with it? I have no idea what
Speaker 1: that is and why it's it in my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a film. It's like a metalized acetate, but
Speaker 2: I don't know it's flame resistant, which is surprising.
Speaker 1: It's a filter. Okay, do you need that? I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure what it is. I thought you
Speaker 1: would figure that out for me.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a Panavision company, so it's definitely for like
Speaker 2: a some sort of production whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't need. I certainly don't need it. It's been
Speaker 1: in my it's my close right. I'm just excited that
Speaker 1: you I was worried that you weren't gonna like the Pelican.
Speaker 1: The Pelican's probably my favorite. Well good, that's because it's
Speaker 1: a touch of Florida. I know you say you wanted
Speaker 1: to get out of Florida, just like I did. I
Speaker 1: needed to get out of Florida. Is the right amount
Speaker 1: of Florida you have? We still have that A touch
Speaker 1: might even be a little bit much.
Speaker 2: I need just like a like a mist of Florida.
Speaker 1: Uh, how would you say that Burning Man has changed
Speaker 1: over the past decade. I mean, so I've been going.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: I've been going for eighteen years, which is sorry, over
Speaker 2: a period of eighteen years, I've been thirteen times.
Speaker 1: Arguably too long, not arguably.
Speaker 2: Definitively definitively too It's too long for anybody. But it
Speaker 2: is interesting because that means I saw before social media
Speaker 2: was really a thing, and almost just as importantly, before
Speaker 2: easy smartphones and digital cameras were a thing. So I
Speaker 2: know it's the old person talking, but it was nice
Speaker 2: to go back in the day when there wasn't a
Speaker 2: camera anywhere in sight about it. There was no go
Speaker 2: brother was like nobody was holding a phone up for anything.
Speaker 1: So you could just.
Speaker 2: Literally do what you wanted, where what you wanted, act
Speaker 2: however you wanted, and like you could really have it
Speaker 2: be a whole different place. Now for sure, someone's recording
Speaker 2: kind of everything that's happening.
Speaker 1: Do you know what your next big art project is
Speaker 1: going to be?
Speaker 2: We are already working on something. We've made the same
Speaker 2: mistake several times in a row, which is we build
Speaker 2: a thing that has to be assembled completely and can't
Speaker 2: be shown in a smaller or a different fashion. So
Speaker 2: we're working on like a smaller Oregomnie kind of module
Speaker 2: that will show at burning Man hopefully next year, and
Speaker 2: then hopefully we'll be able to reconfigure it so if
Speaker 2: a museum wants a different scale of it, we can.
Speaker 1: What about just some it's jerk that just wants to
Speaker 1: buy a chunk of it? Can they reach out to you?
Speaker 1: And they can reach out put an offer in. They
Speaker 1: can reach out, but we we typically don't.
Speaker 2: We've done one commission project, but typically we just build
Speaker 2: what we think will be delightful.
Speaker 1: Like there's this beautiful bear.
Speaker 2: That was at burning Man I don't know five years ago,
Speaker 2: and it was made out of pennies.
Speaker 1: It's like a huge twenty I know it's in Tahoe
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the or some major or some majors.
Speaker 1: It's two hundred and three thousand pennies. Hey there you go.
Speaker 2: May buy the Fergusons I think.
Speaker 1: And it's supposed to be just on loan in Tahoe
Speaker 1: City current and.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful ight because the pennies are like put on edge,
Speaker 2: so they looks like further, yes, but flat. So that
Speaker 2: was a Burning Man project and it was no that yeah,
Speaker 2: and so it was. It was at the Smithsonian showing
Speaker 2: of some Burning Men art along with our project, and
Speaker 2: I overheard someone asking one of the artists is it
Speaker 2: a statement about nature and commercialism and us ruining.
Speaker 1: Nature and all this stuff?
Speaker 2: And one of them said, like, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: build a bear out of some pennies, and like that's
Speaker 2: kind of how we feel about our thing. Like we
Speaker 2: have a sense of what's compelling and delightful for people,
Speaker 2: and so that's our guiding light. We just want to
Speaker 2: make something where people show up young and old and
Speaker 2: they're like, they giggle, they laugh, they're surprised.
Speaker 1: So that's our goal. I love that penny bear thing.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you what, how many times I've
Speaker 1: had a yell at kids that try to pry pennies
Speaker 1: out of it? Yeah, and they successfully do it sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a bomber. And I'm like, not, hey, kids, knock
Speaker 1: it off. That's not what art is for. It's a bomber.
Speaker 2: But they're like, oh, we get a penny, that's the
Speaker 2: weird thing. Like, yeah, burning Man, someone might try to
Speaker 2: climb stuff. But what I've actually discovered is people treat
Speaker 2: all of that stuff better generally at burning Man than
Speaker 2: they have in almost any.
Speaker 1: Other place that we put our stuff.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, like there's an understanding that you're in
Speaker 2: this huge gallery and people contributed this thing, and yeah,
Speaker 2: if you put something in a park or whatever, people
Speaker 2: because they kind of didn't buy into their being art there,
Speaker 2: they feel like they kind of don't have any relationship
Speaker 2: to it. I think.
Speaker 1: So you're not going to tell me what this next
Speaker 1: big project is, you know it's still taking shape. You
Speaker 1: want me to you want me my help on the buildings?
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean seriously, it's all help.
Speaker 1: I just I don't don't actually want to physically help.
Speaker 1: I'd like to more. Just like from a far chime in.
Speaker 2: You can you can say you support us.
Speaker 1: All right, Fine, I'll support you all right. Jesse, thank
Speaker 1: you for being on the show. Pure get strong.
Speaker 2: You get manicures, No, I just bite them constantly, do you.
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't bite and I don't get manicures anyway. Pasha, Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to thank Jesse for being on the show.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to get out to Bernie Man. Carl,
Speaker 1: you ever been to Bernie Man. You look like you're
Speaker 1: at Bernie Man right now on some drug, some ecstasy
Speaker 1: or something. We got big news. A celebration is in order.
Speaker 1: You guys ready for this? Oh yeah, we hit five
Speaker 1: hundred million subscribers.
Speaker 4: I think it's five hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Five hundred thousand subscribers. That's not nothing on YouTube. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not nothing, Carl, that's not nothing. We have five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand subscribers on our YouTube channel. We started this
Speaker 1: channel a mere ten months ago, and now look at us.
Speaker 1: A force to be reckon with, an influencer, a trendsetter.
Speaker 1: Does anyone on YouTube have more subscribers than us?
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: The most subscribed YouTube channel. Wow, we did it all right.
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Speaker 1: tour dates, Go see us do stand up comedy. You know,
Speaker 1: meet us, hang out with us, fellowship. Okay, now it's
Speaker 1: time for our free plug. This one near and dear
Speaker 1: to my heart, I'm gonna give a free plug to folks.
Speaker 1: Point bread Works out of Santa Clarita, California. Now, I
Speaker 1: saw that at the farmer's market the past few weeks
Speaker 1: and I got some of their bread, some fagatca bread,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you right now, some of the
Speaker 1: best figaca bread I've ever had. The other day, I
Speaker 1: got three different types or two different types of fikacha breads.
Speaker 1: And I'm walking away from their stand at the farmers
Speaker 1: market and then one of the ladies, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was an owner, but she comes running up
Speaker 1: to me. She goes, I'm sorry, I gave you the
Speaker 1: wrong the wrong bread here. Just take here's the right one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, well you can take the wrong one
Speaker 1: that you gave me. She goid no, no, just try
Speaker 1: them all. I'm like, lovely, what else did I get there?
Speaker 1: They do a banana bread, a banana chocolate chip bread
Speaker 1: that's just heavenly. They put apple sauce in it. That's
Speaker 1: what makes it so moist. They also did a chocolate
Speaker 1: chocolate chip bread that I got, and then a pumpkin bread.
Speaker 1: I don't eat the pumpkin bread, but we give it
Speaker 1: to the kids and pretend that's a snack. Now, I
Speaker 1: want to point out that the reason I stopped was
Speaker 1: because their signage. I appreciated their signage. I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: look at this this, this looks really nice. Then their
Speaker 1: packaging was amazing. They also had a sign that said
Speaker 1: women owned business, and I'm like, well, women don't know baking,
Speaker 1: but I still gave it a shot and I was
Speaker 1: blown away by the way. This podcast also woman owned
Speaker 1: and women ran. Is that right? Yeah, all women run
Speaker 1: this podcast. If it wasn't for women, this podcast wouldn't exist.
Speaker 1: They also did a homemade pop tart. Yeah, that wasn't
Speaker 1: my favorite, but that shouldn't be for me. I'm still
Speaker 1: a pop tarts guy. You give me a brown sugar
Speaker 1: pop tart and I like to microwave it for ten
Speaker 1: seconds before I toast it for the seconds and just whoa,
Speaker 1: that's a good time, right there, that's a good time.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Carl dold you like it? I
Speaker 1: don't think you've had there. But sometimes when we get
Speaker 1: back from the farmer's market, my wife will forget to
Speaker 1: put things on the highest shelf and Carl will just
Speaker 1: take care of that within seconds, and then she gets
Speaker 1: so mad, but she only has herself to get mad
Speaker 1: at you don't put them on the lower the lower counter.
Speaker 1: We all know that she wants a dog that can
Speaker 1: that can just resist temptation. I'm like, well, you'd be
Speaker 1: a horrible sponsor at AA. I put the alcohol on
Speaker 1: a high shelf. They shouldn't be able to reach it anyway.
Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.