WEBVTT - My Burning Man - Jesse 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.440 The first year you went to Berningman where you just 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:04.120 did you build something that year? 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.160 Or no, the first year I went, I was kind 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:07.760 of chorused that you have to be coorse, at least 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.200 in the old days, you have to be chorus because 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:10.520 like you can't. You don't really know what it's like. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:12.760 There's no videos that you have, like a couple's like 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:13.680 film photos. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.040 You're like, I don't sex and drugs and just all 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.680 kinds of debauchery. It sounds terrible. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:33.600 Pashash show, Welcome to Toss Show, How are my Toshikole's doing? 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.839 Yeah? Want you hit me with some of that selling 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:52.239 Sunset Free Library hip hop club music? That show the 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:58.440 music and the b roll and then the wardrobe. It's 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.480 kind of like this show. You look at this outfit 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.400 and you're like, oh, okay, I couldn't wear that, but 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.080 somehow when I see it on an A list star 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.240 it looks amazing. How you doing, Eddie? 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:11.000 Doing good? 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.760 How are you you care about your wardrobe? Nope, Ah, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.560 that's a shame. That's a shame, Eddie. It's really a 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.080 great way to express yourself if you have tons of 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:28.640 extra money. Hey, I heard Eddie that last week's guest 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.520 really lit up the comment boards. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.559 Well, it's got some really strong opinions about Jacqueline. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.440 People were just dying to let me know what they 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:45.679 thought of Jacqueline the billionaire travel agent. Well, she's not 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:51.080 a billionaire, but she's a travel agent four billionaires allegedly. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.240 What they have to say, let's hear. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.720 Ed that was absolutely fascinating and horrific at the same time. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.640 Exactly. You know people that I find interesting on the show, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.600 they don't have to be likable. I'm not saying that 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.720 this was the case, but I still find them interesting. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.359 She might be one of the most despicable people I've 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.240 listened to. I love every second of it. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.280 Be sure to like and subscribe. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.280 Having this lady on definitely makes him look more in 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:17.320 touch by comparison. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.680 And for the record, I am one thousand times richer 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:21.160 than she is. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.600 I listened to the audio version first and came here 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.000 to see what she looks like. She looks exactly how 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:26.560 she sounds. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.480 I want to thank you for streaming us on two platforms. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.200 That money will go right back into the show after 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:36.760 everyone takes their cut. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.920 She's like a copy of Elizabeth Holmes. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:43.360 Yeah, if Elizabeth Holmes and Elaine Maxwell had a baby. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.119 Oh really down to earth check very natural as well. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.360 I forgot humble. If there's a heaven, She's indefinitely. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.919 Salt of the earth. Salt of the earth, well said 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.800 comment her. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.359 Broad saved herself when she said she almost always shits herself. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.280 No matter what our political or economic differences are, we 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:12.760 all have one thing in common. Everyone poops themselves occasionally yearly. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.920 Best part of waking up is Folgers in your butt? 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:23.120 Is Folgers a sponsor? Folgers? You want to do the 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:23.560 right thing. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.160 I love Korea. I go for the facials and shopping, 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.200 so North Korea would be incredible. Yep, that's how that works. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:35.240 Maybe she was joking. I don't know. She likes North Korea, 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:40.360 she loves China, and she loves Russia. There's a pattern. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:42.720 She's still kind of hot. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.000 I kind of agree. That's the type of woman I 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.560 would end up having an affair with. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.120 Ah glad I stayed for the free plug. At least 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:53.000 that was hilarious. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:59.040 But what's not hilarious is bowling bullying. I just hope 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.200 this enthusiasm carries over to this week's guest, which, by 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.600 the way, if you're wondering why I'm dressed so fly, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.920 It's because we're about to head over to the Plaia. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:20.279 Enjoy Pasha, my guest today, enjoys roughing it in the 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.680 desert every year while installing beautiful, massive but temporary art 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.000 installations that I personally will never see because spending a 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.080 week in the middle of nowhere without ac and running 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.400 water sounds like my idea of hell. But you do 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:38.400 you please welcome back to the grid Berner, Jesse, How 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.520 you doing? I'm well, all right, Jesse, let's get going. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.920 Do you believe in ghosts? 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.159 I knew this question was coming, and still it hits me. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.880 The answer is gonna be no, okay, but only because 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.440 I'm thinking of like the Alec Baldwin Gina Davis version, 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.680 like bed sheets. My reference is hitting you or note 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.320 but that versions no. But I think there's some like 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.680 spiritual something going on. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.000 So I'm gonna put you down for you believe in ghosts. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:05.720 We'll see you're from Miami Beach. Talk about the cocaine. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.560 So I was there during the Miami Vice era. I 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.559 will say that, but I was a kid and wasn't 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.560 super privy to it. Our house was actually scouted as 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.839 a potential shoot location from Miami Vice. So it gives 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.080 you a sense of when I was there with the 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:19.200 cigarette boats and the. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.960 And it gives me a sense of the decor. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.240 Yeah, it's changed quite a bit now it's fake Italy. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.000 It was like Neon and that sort of thing. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:31.039 Do you enjoy going back to Florida? It's not my place? No, No. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:32.800 I got the fuck out of there as soon as 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.880 I could, and especially growing up, it was like people 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.960 retiring there, and I liked the piece of it. But 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.480 then when I was in high school, it became like clubbing, modeling, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:40.360 that whole thing, and I was. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.599 Like this a little much for me. Did you partake 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.600 in drugs back then? Not then? No, I was like sixteen, No, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.039 I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't cool. But that would 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:48.960 imply that doing the. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.760 Drugs with school, Well I understand what. I wasn't part 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.080 of that crowd. I was like, you know, a nerd. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.479 And then I found a place where it was like 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.000 more cool to be a nerd, which is a little 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.240 bit like California, and. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.200 That should be on our billboards to stop them here 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.240 to be a nerd. Yeah, it's cool to be a 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:09.080 nerd in California. You went to Tufts University in Boston, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.440 and then you got your masters at Stanford. Just a 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.520 huge overachiever. Go by the way, the third person on 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.680 this show to have gone to Stanford. I'm just pointing 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.400 that out to our listeners that we get very smart 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.719 people on this show. Did you enjoy Boston? 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.960 It's an interesting place to go to school. Lots of 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.159 people your age. Boston during the nineties, though, like nothing 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.880 good to eat, the weather socks like I was coming 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:31.960 from Miami, so it's snowing. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.440 Everything's like kind of a drag. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.279 The thing I got out of it mainly though, was 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.919 I was in a singing group. Again, not cool, but 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.960 a singing groups. Every weekend we get in a van 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.960 and go somewhere to go sing so. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.839 And is singing acapella. I love it, I know whatever. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.320 So every we again, so we go to like North Carolina, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:48.680 we go to Mischionan, we go to California. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:49.960 We literally just like all over the place. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.600 So I spent something like four weekends a year at 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.159 Tufts and all the rest of it was at another school. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.160 And at some point we went to San Francisco and I. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.039 Was like, oh, this is where the people that were 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:00.800 nerds that like made something happened went. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.560 So that was that's where I ended up. Did you 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.839 ever watch that reality show about the a cappella groups? Yeah? Yeah, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.240 it was really a sing off? Was that one of them? 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.520 And it was one of the boys to men? Guys? 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:16.160 You know the weird thing. I don't like acapella. Oh 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.760 asually everybody's like, oh, but yeah, dare you You want people 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:19.480 to come to your concert? 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:20.320 So I was like, yeah, that's cool. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.360 I like singing, but like I don't if they want 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:23.560 to listen, that's that's on them. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.720 What about noises? Do you do the noises or did 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:26.000 you do. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.400 I do the mouth noises the face sounds? 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:28.920 You did? 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.720 Yeah, well there's no you know, you need like a drum, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:32.600 so you're the drum. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.120 I know, but I didn't know. Usually there was like 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.160 one guy in there that wasn't the best singer that 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.160 would do that. Maybe that was me. I don't believe it. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.240 Do you miss the Bay Area a little bit? 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.600 I missed the food and I missed the like it 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.320 was like a weird place when I moved there, which 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.040 I like, And then it became all and again I 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.000 am aware that I'm the tech community, part of the 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.600 tech community, but it became all that, like all the 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.360 art moved to Oakland, and then all the art moved 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.120 out of Oakland to god knows where, and like that 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:56.400 part I don't love. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.880 As an engineer, do you find you know way more 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.800 than almost everyone that you're dealing with. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.720 No, However, I think I know different things. I see 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:08.800 the world in a different way. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:09.080 Right. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.200 I look at things and I'm like, this microphone thing 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.160 is like sagging. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.000 They couldn't have designed it that way. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.400 Is the mic too heavy or did they like design 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.440 it before they anadized it, and then after they anidized it, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.360 there wasn't as much friction between these two things, and 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.120 now it's falling and it was too late to fix it. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.120 So that's what I think about. That might be, that 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.840 might be the answer. That's I always feel like when 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.480 I watch people build stuff, I'm like, oh, I could 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.280 do that better, but I sometimes you can't. I have 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.040 to like see someone else do it. I don't have 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:35.680 the ability to do. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.120 So I think I know different things, right, Like I 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.600 notice things not people most of the time, like ninety 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.120 percent of the time, which can be a problem. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.120 All right, explain your engineering background and what exactly some 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.320 of your jobs entailed, to the best of your ability. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.360 I know you have a ton of NDAs that force 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.320 us to not talk about some of the jobs that 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:52.760 you took. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.880 So I'm like a soft engineer. So like my undergrad 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.400 was half engineering and half psychology. So the whole point 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.240 being like, you can make a thing, but let's actually 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.000 pay attention to the person that's going to use it. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.600 So I was a recording engineer for a bit at 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.559 the plant used to be the record plant in Salcelito, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:08.960 because I thought that was a really cool way to 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.360 combine like engineering and emotion. Then I became an application developer. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.160 I was coding basically. I went to grad school for 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.520 product design so I could design food. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.319 How long did you design food? Two and a half years. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.559 Talk about the chicken pot pie, Oh, council bluffs where 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:23.080 they make them. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:24.920 I've been in many of the factories where they make 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.280 peanut butter and chicken pot pies and frozen meals and stuff, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.720 and it's some of the cool things you see actually 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.720 are when the food is real food. You're just making 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.240 a million amount of time on a huge sheet roller 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.719 with a big like sheet a dough. But a lot 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.120 of these things are made the way you would make 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.880 it at home, except you know, they have to make 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:40.680 it to a price point. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.840 What's your job? What did you create? 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.920 They basically come to you and say, in some cases, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.400 we're kind of out of ideas. We've been making this 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.160 stuff for three years, five years, thirty years, and we 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.320 can't make this Waco thing because no one who buys 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.880 this product line will eat that Waco thing. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.439 Gotcha? What do we do now? 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.520 Or they could say this is the one one moment 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.320 of enjoyment. The person who's gonna eat this is going 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.600 to have that week. It's literally a treat for them, right, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.200 They'll open up that chicken pot pie or that thing, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:08.920 and it's like they'll literally sit there and like that's 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.800 the home cooked meal they get. And I know it 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.520 feels a little sad, but for a lot of people, 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.640 like that's their moment of comfort. So they might say, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.640 to me, how can we make this thing like more comforting, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.880 more enjoyable, Make it more of a moment for this person. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.040 The chicken pot pie. You know, every time I've had 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.240 a chicken pot pie, I'll be honest with you, I'm 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.640 probably in a sad state. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.439 And then I had no idea where you were going 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.640 with that the chicken pot pie, because I love chicken 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:33.120 pot pie. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.280 My favorite birthday meal is at the Old Place. I 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:37.720 don't know if you've ever been to this place, but 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.920 it's a wonderful restaurant if you like a steak. But 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.400 they also do a chicken pot pie there, and they 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.600 throw tons of mashed potatoes on top of it, and 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.360 it is just a shepherd's pie, chicken pop it is. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.480 It's a chicken pot pie, but they're just a heaping 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.880 helping of mashed potatoes on I just love it. You 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.280 designed US currency at one point, No, I didn't. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.920 I worked at a branding firm that helped redesign that currency. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.680 That avoids my question. Yeah, I want to know how 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.440 quick you could create counterfeit money? Uh yeah, No, don't know. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.840 What's your favorite thing that you've ever designed? 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.880 So I worked at a company that makes vaporizers. I 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.839 worked at Packs. It's a cannabis brand, so I was 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.640 then in charge of product there. So I developed and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.120 launched a few of their vaporizers, which were pretty cool. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.080 Because our thing is I forget about the brand. But 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.199 like the thing is, I want to work on products 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.679 that people love and cove it and feel good about. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:23.439 I don't want to work on. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.320 Stuff that's just like the ens is your it is 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.720 if it's the right one, right, Like it's not going 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.800 to melt or blow up in your hand. It's like 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.800 not going to lead stuff. It's made with care. You'd 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.280 put it on your But the kids, the kids, well, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:35.960 it's not for them. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:42.000 I always confused Burning Man with Joshua Tree. That's that's weird. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.600 I never knew that burning Man where it was. It's 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:50.880 north of Reno, one hundred miles, yeah, one hundred miles northeast. Yes, yeah. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:52.240 And it's always. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.760 During what it ends on Labor Days, so it's always 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.360 at the end of August, beginning of September. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.680 Always first week of college football. Genius school's just getting started. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:00.920 It's about time for a lot of people. 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.640 And used, I mean, none of it's practical, so it 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.240 may as well be then, right, like pick the least 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.440 practical week. 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.599 When was the least practical place? What year was the 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.360 first year you went? Oh six? Did you know about 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.719 it when you like as a kid Florida. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.800 Or no, not no, I mean a long time ago, right, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.200 so like YouTube hadn't been a thing, Like it's not 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.680 social media if you have to go before social media. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.400 A lot of people don't really know about Burning MANA 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.720 lists are in San Francisco or around there. So I'd 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.280 heard about it for a few years, and I was like, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.640 this is not for me, Like drugs, no thanks, crowds, 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.280 no thanks. I don't particularly like camping, like almost all 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.160 the things about it. If you put in a bullet list, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.080 I'm like, that's not for me. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:36.800 Who owns Burning Man? 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.160 It's like a full on company, Oh, I thought, And 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.560 it was all disappointing answers. Just one dude, there's a 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.480 magical wizard who lives in the desert. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.359 Is it nonprofit? It's complicated. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:47.960 I think the part of it is, and part of 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.440 it Isn't they have a whole thing about that? 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.520 I mean, is there somebody overseeing this shit? Shows? 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.839 A whole company of like fifty people or something full time, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.240 and it's so much work that they start planning the 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.000 next one before the current one is done, like literally 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.840 the second Burning Man, the man burns, They've already posted 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:03.720 the theme for next year. Is this and because they 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.440 already had to start planning it. It takes more than 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.760 a year to plan Burning Man. And you know, it's 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.760 a huge art grant organization. They give out a million 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.839 and change in grants every year. It's like a lot 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.920 of medical facilities and security and like you know, they. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:15.839 Have to pay the government a lot of money for 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.160 the land. The first year you went to burning Man, 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.559 where you just did you build something that year or no? 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.800 The first year I went, I was kind of course 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.160 that you have to be coarse, at least in the 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:25.599 old days. You have to be coarse because like you 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.000 can't you don't really know what it's like. There's no 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.880 videos that you have, like a couple's like film photos. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.800 You're like, I don't this thing. There's no sex and 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.199 drugs and just all kinds of debauchery. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:35.880 It sounds terrible. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.199 Well, okay, that sounds good, but it's also the other things. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.880 I found a picture actually in some magazine or whatever 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.320 where it was the first Burning Man. It was like 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.200 eighty three or eighty four. I was not there, and 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.440 it's literally like seven people with like a man they're 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.280 screwing together out of some two by fours, Like it 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.160 literally looks like if you went with your friends and 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.480 have like a not great tailgating party on the beach 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.840 in San Francisco and you're like, it's Burning Man. But 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.040 twenty eight or whatever it is, year late, years later, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.199 now it's a big event, so there's a lot of 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.760 controversy and like it's supposed to be countercultural all of that. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.760 But you have to buy a ticket. How much is 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.920 a ticket? It's more and more every year. I think 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.360 it's almost five hundred bucks. And how long does that 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:09.080 ticket last? 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.280 The event is a week, So if you buy it 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.439 and you're not building anything, you're allowed in on Saturday 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.080 night and you have to leave by like Monday, so 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:16.920 it's essentially a week. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.080 But when you're building, you get to go a week earlier. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.920 So the people who are building a big camp or 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.880 art can show up during build weeks. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:24.920 So that's a week early. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.080 Because obviously, if you're going to show up for the event, 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.320 like you can't just say now you can start putting 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.280 your stuff together, like nothing would be done right, Like 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:32.720 you need to give people a head start of a 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.880 week to assemble their camps that can house one hundred 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.720 people or a big art. If you're building the temple, 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.320 which is the biggest art project there. They might get 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.880 there three four weeks in advance. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:43.600 Have you ever built the temple now? 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.640 And we wouldn't invite it to submit a design for it, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.520 but we never b And what is the temple at 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.200 Burning Man? There's a The biggest art project really is 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.280 the temple, and it's always at a specific place on 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.760 the plaia on the clock. It's a really ornate, non 0:14:55.840 --> 0:15:00.560 denominational kind of spiritual place and it's genuinely really emotional 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.960 to go in because the cultural norm is everyone writes 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.160 messages about people they've lost in the past year, regrets 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.680 they have, They put pictures up of people that have died, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.240 and by the end of the week, every square inch 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.800 of this enormous building is covered in writing and pictures 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.200 and memorabilia and stuff. It's really like, I don't feel 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.160 anything when I go into most like religious spaces and 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.880 spiritual spaces, and that that place, the temple. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.200 Every year you really feel something and they have to 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:28.800 tear it down at the end. Oh, they burn they 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.600 burn that thing to everything burns to the ground. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.920 The man burns on Saturday, The temple burns on Sunday, 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.880 and it's a very like somber, like people sit and 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.280 they're crying because they're letting it be a cathartic. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.880 Well, I usually lead before all that. Anyway. My thing 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.000 is do you oh yeah, like you don't even stick 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.280 around and watch people enjoy your art? Oh? 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.800 No, I do, but I lead before. My favorite part 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.040 is build week. I just want to be there and 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.400 like I like heavy equipment. I want to like operate stuff. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.320 You pre build all year. Yeah. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.080 Yeah, it might take like nine ten months to make 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.200 the thing, and maybe we partially set it up if 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.560 we can. We built something that was so big, this 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.680 big sphere that in retrospect looked exactly like COVID, but 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.040 we built it two years before COVID. Oh so you 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.200 started we started COVID. Usual breaking news right here? 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.080 Were you always artistic? Though? That word could have been 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:20.160 one of two very close where it's you can answer either, Yeah. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.560 My mom's an art teacher. Okay, so we'll go with 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.000 that one. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.240 Do you get paid for creating your art? There? 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.120 You can get a grant, so in that sense, yes, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.760 but generally no so at Burning Man in a given year. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:35.800 I mean, I don't work for Burning Man. My understanding 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.440 is there's like five six hundred art pieces that go 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.200 every year. Okay, out of that, maybe seventy of them 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.080 got an art grant, and so you can apply for 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:44.360 an art grant. You can be like, I'm want to 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.840 build this thing and I want to take it to 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.440 Burning Man, and it's going to cost me ten grand 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.600 to make it, and the most you'll ever get as 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.720 thirty forty percent of the cost, and so you put 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:55.160 in the rest. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.560 You do a kickstarter or whatever. If I were to 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.960