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Speaker 1: We got a game seven.
Speaker 2: Game six wasn't really that interesting, especially if you're a
Speaker 2: Thunder fan.
Speaker 1: But Indiana came to play tonight.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of speculation of whether or not
Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton would play.
Speaker 1: Not only did he play, he played extremely well.
Speaker 2: But again it was the bench TJ McConnell Obie topping
Speaker 2: that got them going and they did not look back.
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Speaker 2: All right, Joe, the Pacers beat the Thunder, so we
Speaker 2: do have a game seven on Sunday one eight to
Speaker 2: ninety one. Nobody, I mean really, no one from the
Speaker 2: Thunder played really well. Thunder had five turnovers in the
Speaker 2: second quarter, I mean first quarter. Seven in the second quarter,
Speaker 2: so they had twelve turnles at the half. Obi Topping
Speaker 2: had four three pointers. The Thunder starters had won. This
Speaker 2: is the best we see. Look Pacers to play some
Speaker 2: really good basketball this postseason. Joe, But tonight the way
Speaker 2: they swarmed, they for shade eight turnovers seven to fifteen
Speaker 2: oh one, seven of eight, but for turnovers minus seventeen
Speaker 2: and thirty one minutes. Jalen Williams, who coming up that
Speaker 2: had a forty point game the other night, played sensational.
Speaker 2: He was minus forty and the plus minus six or
Speaker 2: thirteen oh four, four or five and only twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 1: Joe. TJ.
Speaker 2: McConnell is the first bench player in NBA history sixty
Speaker 2: plus points, twenty five plus assists, fifteen plus rebounds, and
Speaker 2: then in the NBA Finals he's doing this offer and
Speaker 2: when you look at him, I know they said they
Speaker 2: looking at it, Joe, They looking at it, Jose about bad.
Speaker 1: I will cook old boy. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the next day, you know, Eden told you look
Speaker 2: at it, and he's like, damn well. TJ got deep
Speaker 2: even us tonight. Joe, what did you like about what
Speaker 2: you saw from the Pacers, because there were a lot
Speaker 2: of uncertain dys Tyreese Halliburton gonna play if he doesn't play,
Speaker 2: can win without him? If he does play, how you
Speaker 2: know how liberty would he be? What did you like most?
Speaker 2: What impressed you most about Indiana? Man haller Berry pulling
Speaker 2: our leg? Is he pulling our leg?
Speaker 1: Man? Come on now?
Speaker 2: Yeah something hey? But anyway, uh, I thought Indiana played great.
Speaker 2: I thought that, you know, to get off to a
Speaker 2: good start. I thought, okay, see started the game off
Speaker 2: pretty good. I was like, okay, they look he's gonna
Speaker 2: put these boys away. They ain't gonna play with him
Speaker 2: and man as soon as they start. As soon as
Speaker 2: Indiana started subbing, TJ came in. I think his energy,
Speaker 2: his effort is so infectious to the other teammates that
Speaker 2: they feed off that.
Speaker 1: Now is he the guy? No, he's not the.
Speaker 2: Guy, but the energy and effort that he plays with
Speaker 2: you can't substitute for that.
Speaker 1: Man. He's making plays on both ends of the court.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 2: Offensively, it's almost like OKAYC was like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: let TJ. If he gonna be if he gonna turn
Speaker 2: into AI and score all the points, we just gonna
Speaker 2: play him one on one and we're gonna let were
Speaker 2: gonn't let him score as much as he can. But defensively,
Speaker 2: he was swarming. You know, you got you get these
Speaker 2: other guys involved, and it's like they were like two
Speaker 2: or three steps faster than ok C the knife for
Speaker 2: whatever reason. You know, after after probably the first couple
Speaker 2: of minutes, it's like Indiana took over Man.
Speaker 1: They never looked back.
Speaker 2: They killed them in every quarter except you know, the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, the last quarter where yet don't count because
Speaker 2: they were down thirty going into the fourth. Man, it
Speaker 2: was it was a sight to see I hadn't seen
Speaker 2: Okay see play like this a lot throughout this postseason,
Speaker 2: and to see every guy in that starting lineup with
Speaker 2: negatives plus minus negatives by their name, Uh Indiana just
Speaker 2: had more more It's like more resilience to night.
Speaker 1: They knew what was they say.
Speaker 2: Obviously they didn't want them boys to close them out
Speaker 2: on their home floor, and they played like it to night.
Speaker 2: It was a great game. Absolutely, Yeah, boy, Joe, I
Speaker 2: thought they played. I thought they played a great game.
Speaker 2: I thought they energy and effort was there. Defensively, they
Speaker 2: were swarming. They killed him in every category, meaning every
Speaker 2: whether it was rebottom out see it still it's like blocks. Okay,
Speaker 2: see had no chance, they had no chance. They looked
Speaker 2: when they got down. I hadn't seen, like I said,
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen Oka See looked like that, you know
Speaker 2: throughout this postseason. But when they got down, they looked
Speaker 2: like they didn't have what it what it took to
Speaker 2: come back, and uh Indiana just kept pulling it, kept
Speaker 2: pulling it. So I give a lot of credit obviously
Speaker 2: to they bench, who has been tremendous. Indiana's bench has
Speaker 2: been great. You know, throughout this whole postseason. You look
Speaker 2: at Topping with twenty points, TJ with twelve, and they
Speaker 2: just had a bunch of guys chip in Man and defensively.
Speaker 2: I thought, this is probably one of the best outputs
Speaker 2: they did that they put out, you know, pretty much
Speaker 2: throughout this whole postseason.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: It didn't start off very well because I think they
Speaker 2: missed like their first eight shots. I mean they were
Speaker 2: they were rushing and seemed like everybody wanted to make beat,
Speaker 2: make make their the run by themselves to make okay
Speaker 2: See give up. But once they got it going, boy,
Speaker 2: they got it going, they couldn't stop them, Joe. I
Speaker 2: mean they and all of a sudden they couldn't make
Speaker 2: it three. Now, all of a sudden they couldn't miss
Speaker 2: a three. And once they got it Florida me, I
Speaker 2: was like, man, Indiana's played extremely well. But then they
Speaker 2: allowed okay See to cut it to close it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, damn.
Speaker 1: Okay okay See finished this quarter.
Speaker 2: I was strong because it's always okay, how do we start,
Speaker 2: then how do we finish? You're always trying to close
Speaker 2: out a quarter, end of the first, going into half,
Speaker 2: going it into the four, you know, the third, going
Speaker 2: into the fourth, and I thought okay See did a
Speaker 2: very good job of that.
Speaker 1: But man, when they started that second quarter.
Speaker 2: They opened up a can on them, Joe, they opened
Speaker 2: up a can on them, And you're absolutely right. Jayalen Williams,
Speaker 2: who came out for forty point effort in Game six,
Speaker 2: he has the lowest plus minus and finals game in
Speaker 2: the play by play era. He was minus forty. Now
Speaker 2: he's gonna be looking to get that get back on Sunday.
Speaker 2: I don't think Shade's gonna play as bad as he played.
Speaker 2: Shade have played that bad. It was just hard. The
Speaker 2: shot that he normally would make he didn't get through.
Speaker 2: He didn't get that bounce tonight. But I just think
Speaker 2: it was again you look at it sixteen ten, seventeen, fourteen,
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. The six guys in double figures again. You
Speaker 2: know they normally keep five, six guys in double figures.
Speaker 2: Some casually they'll speak a seventh guy in there and
Speaker 2: get him in double figure. Miles Turner didn't play his
Speaker 2: you know, only one field goal tonight, one of nine
Speaker 2: from the floor, all three from the three, one of
Speaker 2: two from the free throw line. But you know, Man
Speaker 2: Siakam was good, Nie Smith was good, nim Hard Tyre's
Speaker 2: Halliburton was sensational.
Speaker 1: Obi Topping was sensational. TJ. McConnell. I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you say about it?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he's the I en the job
Speaker 2: of Bunny And I thought in the second quarter of
Speaker 2: what they did is they played him and Haliburton together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought, I Hallerburton didn't really have a problem with
Speaker 2: him having the ball.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 2: I just Holly looked like he was a step fast
Speaker 2: today than he was in Game five. Yeah, and for me,
Speaker 2: damn they man, they put up a performance against OKC today.
Speaker 2: You look at uh, you look at Caruso. He had
Speaker 2: many points as me and you had to night. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he got some cardio in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They can't.
Speaker 2: They can't win without their bench contributing unless Shay and
Speaker 2: and and Williams go off.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But man, it's just look look at check Hungwark like
Speaker 2: it's just I don't know, man, they seemed a little
Speaker 2: disinterested once they got down.
Speaker 1: They just could not get back in the game.
Speaker 2: Once Indiana one of them, one of their big run
Speaker 2: and kind of separated themselves. You I thought that okay
Speaker 2: C had a run them, especially the second half, but Indiana, well,
Speaker 2: they were they were flaming. Man, they was going, they
Speaker 2: were going. You couldn't. You couldn't slow them down. I'm
Speaker 2: saying about everybody on their team was scoring, defensively, were
Speaker 2: in tune, and they just seemed like a well or
Speaker 2: engine knight who could not be stopped. And that's uncharacteristic
Speaker 2: of OKC, especially defensively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2: Uh s g a eight turnovers to assist time for
Speaker 2: the host turnovers in a game six in finals history.
Speaker 1: You know, like I said he did, he didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't couldn't get his offensive game going, and he
Speaker 2: couldn't get anybody well, I don't know if he couldn't,
Speaker 2: No one could make shots. Eight turnovers like I said,
Speaker 2: they had twelve at the half. They did a great
Speaker 2: job when he turned his back CJ. Mcconnells looking at
Speaker 2: the pick his pockets. Uh, they gave him a lot
Speaker 2: of different looks tonight. They did a great job, but
Speaker 2: they knew had to do a great job or else
Speaker 2: they were going home.
Speaker 1: And look, no one wants to lose.
Speaker 2: It's not easier losing or you lost as a low
Speaker 2: But are you I damn sure don't want you to
Speaker 2: celebrated on my court.
Speaker 1: I don't want you celebrated. You know, all my fans
Speaker 1: done gone home.
Speaker 2: Everybody disappointed, and a handful of fans that y'all got
Speaker 2: in there, they said, yeah, and y'all dappling them up,
Speaker 2: y'all drinking champagne.
Speaker 1: Ah nah, hell nah.
Speaker 2: Hey, Look, I think I think Indiana really fed off
Speaker 2: the crowd, especially a lot of them old venturing guys
Speaker 2: who've been on a round played for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Regide Miller was there, Ronal tests.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming back showing them guys love and you know
Speaker 2: that's a that's an extra incentive, meaning you know, you
Speaker 2: don't wanna lose on your home court like that, and
Speaker 2: had him got celebrated, And I thought they played like
Speaker 2: I mean from the obviously, after the first what three
Speaker 2: four minutes they settled in, they started making shots, and
Speaker 2: it was a rap. Halibert didn't even look like he
Speaker 2: had Andrew that night the way he was did not.
Speaker 1: He did not, But I thought he did a better
Speaker 1: job of getting to a spot.
Speaker 2: He's a right handed I was watching the thing today
Speaker 2: and they tuck tracking where he shoots the ball from. Yeah,
Speaker 2: prior to the night, he had only made like one
Speaker 2: or two shots from in their playoffs, and on the
Speaker 2: left side, so he must have seen all this stuff
Speaker 2: is to the right. Yeah, he must have seen it too,
Speaker 2: because he started making some shots. Hey, he making some
Speaker 2: shots over there on their left side. Man, he did, Hey, hey,
Speaker 2: this game seven, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2: I would not be shocked at the Pacers because I
Speaker 2: believe if we talked about this Joe in game six,
Speaker 2: I believe Rick Carlile should have went with a TJ
Speaker 2: McConnell once he was Tyreez Haliburton was getpy.
Speaker 1: I think he should have rolled.
Speaker 2: I think he should have rode TJ McConell a little more,
Speaker 2: a little longer. He went back, and I get it.
Speaker 2: It's a veteran guy. You know, he's the said of
Speaker 2: your team. But that night he didn't have it and
Speaker 2: TJ was playing extremely well.
Speaker 1: But you're right.
Speaker 2: I think that two day rest gave Hi an opportunity
Speaker 2: to get a lot of treatment, get that thing massaged out.
Speaker 2: He kept it warm, and now guess what they got
Speaker 2: it They got too.
Speaker 1: They got twenty four forty eight.
Speaker 2: They got about sixty plus hours before they play again,
Speaker 2: so he gets treatment all the way. What you think
Speaker 2: they'll lead tonight and they'll lead to Mars. They don't
Speaker 2: play until Sunday. They probably gonna leave. They probably gonna
Speaker 2: leave Saturday. You don't think they'll leave Saturday. Do you
Speaker 2: think that least Saurday will have a shoot around in
Speaker 2: the India and then go probably.
Speaker 1: So, man, this is it. I mean, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what else you gotta tell your team. This is it.
Speaker 1: This is the last game of the season, well the season.
Speaker 2: So I feel like Rick Carlis that are awesome job
Speaker 2: this postseason with these guys. And I think these guys
Speaker 2: are gonna be out for this challenge knowing that you know, uh,
Speaker 2: they hadn't played terribly in Okay, see, they have it.
Speaker 1: They've been in games. Remember they ended up winning Game one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they won Game one.
Speaker 2: So they feel that they feel if you win one
Speaker 2: time that Joe, you know, you feel you can win again.
Speaker 2: Hey man, you just got to be better than them
Speaker 2: in this last game, and it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be.
Speaker 2: This's gonna be one one to remember because, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: okayc obviously we didn't talked about them being a dynasty.
Speaker 1: They understand what's this stake.
Speaker 2: You got guys who didn't play well to night, who
Speaker 2: are obviously gonna be looking to have a bounce back
Speaker 2: game in a major way. I can't I can't believe
Speaker 2: they had a performance like this from okay, see, I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna lie. Yeah, they seemed a little a task
Speaker 2: lord tonight. Or maybe the Pacers played with a little
Speaker 2: bit more pepp in their step, but they did seem
Speaker 2: to have a little bit more bounce. And once the
Speaker 2: the lid was taken off the basket, I thought the
Speaker 2: Pacers started to put it in there at a high clip.
Speaker 1: And now you get one shot, you miss.
Speaker 2: They go down on another to make and I say
Speaker 2: it like again, they close out the first quarter good,
Speaker 2: but any started at first that second quarter that was
Speaker 2: on fire.
Speaker 1: And they didn't look back.
Speaker 2: And then the end of the third you have Shepherd
Speaker 2: hit that shot and it's up thirty. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: see Dagnaut, he raised the white flags and okay, we'll
Speaker 2: see you, okay, see for game seven. Look just from
Speaker 2: the hustle points alone for me, you know, they kind
Speaker 2: of determined, you know who wanted more. And yep, I
Speaker 2: mean they just beat them in every fancy of the
Speaker 2: game man, and that's uncharacteristic of Oklahoma City Thunder team,
Speaker 2: who has been you know, tremendous throughout this whole and
Speaker 2: not just this regular season but the postseason.
Speaker 1: So to see them get beat like this, damn, it's tough.
Speaker 1: It is. It really is.
Speaker 2: Joe the Bus family, and it's been in their family,
Speaker 2: the Lakers. It's been in their family since what in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, winning doctor Jerry Buss purchased the team
Speaker 2: from Jack Kent Cook, who was the owner of the
Speaker 2: Washington football team that were not the football team then
Speaker 2: the Commanders, but we know who they were, but and
Speaker 2: he purchased that from them. So Mark Walter, who also
Speaker 2: owns the Dodgers, he owns a soccer Premier team is
Speaker 2: a Chelsea what is it done?
Speaker 1: I think he owns a sig.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he had a lot of money and he
Speaker 2: purchased the majority ownership for evaluation of approximately ten billion dollars,
Speaker 2: the largest sale of a professional sports franchise in the world.
Speaker 2: Jeannie will still act as the governor per Ramona Shellburn.
Speaker 2: Genie Rol as governor of the Lakers is in writing.
Speaker 2: Unlike Mark Cuban, who has a verbal, Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: stay owned. Herds is in writing, Shelborne believes Mark Walter
Speaker 2: values Jennie Bus's ability to connect with the Lakers fan base,
Speaker 2: brand and the leadership skilled. Walters similarly kept much of
Speaker 2: the Dodgers' leadership in place when acquired to observe the
Speaker 2: which employees he would build around. So he owns the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: and we know since he's on the Dodgers, they bought
Speaker 2: a couple of World series of the Lakers. You know,
Speaker 2: Lakers were a little heather than to spend because they
Speaker 2: didn't have a whole lot of money. Now they got major,
Speaker 2: they got major bread. This should scare a lot of
Speaker 2: people because first of all, this is Lakers. There's no
Speaker 2: bigger band in basketball than the Lakers. And now they
Speaker 2: got an owner that has deep, deep pockets. Indeed, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be willing to go into the luxury tax even
Speaker 2: the second ap from me, I dig in my pocket.
Speaker 2: I ain't got no but some linen there. That's all
Speaker 2: I got for you.
Speaker 1: And you know what Joe I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I was trying to think, like
Speaker 2: who I was like, I don't think the bus family
Speaker 2: ever would ever sell the Lakers ten billion?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that man were playing money.
Speaker 2: Eine that money because you know, you coming to the table,
Speaker 2: like why what about seven billion? See when you come
Speaker 2: to the table and you spend and you basically spend
Speaker 2: three point nine billion more than any franchise because the
Speaker 2: Celtics you just sold for six point one So you say,
Speaker 2: you know what, I will give you three point nine
Speaker 2: more billion than what that team sold for. And that
Speaker 2: team sold after they won the finals a championship. Hey, look,
Speaker 2: he he know it's gonna be worth it. We're having
Speaker 2: Braun and Luca there. You know, you got two major,
Speaker 2: major superstars. Uh, and people are gonna be willing to
Speaker 2: pay the price the ticket price to come check to
Speaker 2: check the Lakers out.
Speaker 1: So I feel like he felt like he got in
Speaker 1: on a on a good deal. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been successful, you know in professional sport. So
Speaker 2: to add the Lakers to it, man, that's yeah, you
Speaker 2: add the Lakers to your portfolio. As you gotta feel
Speaker 2: pretty good about that. Yeah, ain't look, you ain't gonna
Speaker 2: get much bigger than that. Yeah, yeah, I thought so.
Speaker 2: And that's a lot of he owns. He owns Uh.
Speaker 2: So he owns the Lakers now the Dodgers Chelsea. Uh,
Speaker 2: he owns an F one racing team, l A Sparks
Speaker 2: and the Professional Women's Hockey League. And he's to see
Speaker 2: goog googen him right. Oh yeah, Lord have mercy. Yeah
Speaker 2: he finna he's finna put him. He's finna put him
Speaker 2: in a different strategy field. Man. He you know, when
Speaker 2: you got owners like that who willing to spend, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: it ain't no limit to what they're willing to do
Speaker 2: to Yeah, yeah man to make their team successful.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And like you said, he does have Luca. He has
Speaker 2: two superstars on the team. So even when when Lebron
Speaker 2: retires a year or two or whatever that is, he
Speaker 2: still has Luca, who's a superstar.
Speaker 1: The Lakers have always had a superstar.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that they've all they they've all they've
Speaker 2: If you go back, you're study the Lakers since they've
Speaker 2: moved to LA. They had Baylor in West and then
Speaker 2: they got Kareem and then they got Magic and then
Speaker 2: they got you know, they had a once you know.
Speaker 1: Magic retired.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, well he's you know, had the HIV diagnosis.
Speaker 1: Uh, he stepped away, they ended up.
Speaker 2: Getting shot and then you know Kobe, Kobe was there,
Speaker 2: so without for about a year or two, they was
Speaker 2: without a superstar.
Speaker 1: And then Lebron comes.
Speaker 2: And now when Lebron you know, transitions away to a
Speaker 2: normal civilian life, you still got Luca. So for the
Speaker 2: better part, since they've been in it, I mean since
Speaker 2: they've been in LA, especially since the sixties, they've had
Speaker 2: a superstar. And that's what if you're in l A Look,
Speaker 2: LA is about superstars. It's really that simple. You go
Speaker 2: back and look at the Dodgers, whether it was Colfax
Speaker 2: or all the people that get the guys that they've had.
Speaker 1: That's what you need to think about this.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know they're gonna bring they gotta bring them
Speaker 2: guys some help. They gotta bring some help in the
Speaker 2: LA meaning you know we talked about them always need
Speaker 2: them big, you know, especially throughout this postseason. So I
Speaker 2: expect this off season for the NBA to be one
Speaker 2: to remember. And I can see the Lakers making a
Speaker 2: big push for for for a big trade or something.
Speaker 2: They gotta do something to get to get somebody in
Speaker 2: there to help them guys. Man, especially if you want
Speaker 2: to be if you want to be in contentions when
Speaker 2: it comes down to the playoffs next.
Speaker 1: Year because the West is too deep. The West is
Speaker 1: too deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to try to put that weight and that load
Speaker 2: on strictly Lebron and Luca. They gonna need some help.
Speaker 2: They need a big They really need a big bag.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it. I ain't just talking about somebody
Speaker 2: just big, just big. I'm talking about somebody big that
Speaker 2: you can count and say, Okay, every game I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get I'm gonna get ten to fourteen from that person.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get somewhere seven to ten rebounds from that person. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, just having somebody that's because they sell them
Speaker 2: foot tall in one game to give you ten. The
Speaker 2: next game they give you cardio. That ain't gonna cut it.
Speaker 2: That's really not h You need. You need a couple
Speaker 2: of shooters, and you need a big. You need some consistency. Hey,
Speaker 2: look a lot of room was floating around by a
Speaker 2: lot of guys. Man, And uh, I'm looking forward to this,
Speaker 2: to this free agency, to the draft. Obviously, I think
Speaker 2: things were probably transpired before the draft, some of these trades,
Speaker 2: and uh, I'm looking for the Lakers to make a
Speaker 2: big splash.
Speaker 1: The draft is a twenty fifth. The drafting next Wednesday,
Speaker 1: then yeah, well.
Speaker 2: Since speaking of trade, the Lakers and Jazz have reportedly
Speaker 2: discussed the trade center around Rual Hotche, Murrow and John
Speaker 2: Collins for Anthony Irwin. Many within the Lakers organization believe
Speaker 2: Collins would be especially great fit alongside Luca.
Speaker 1: He could jump out the gym.
Speaker 2: Since their seasons ended, they have had few conversation with
Speaker 2: Utah to try to land the twenty seven year old,
Speaker 2: big big man, with Rouy hotchim or offten the centerpiece
Speaker 2: of the deal. Yeah, I like John Collins. He plays
Speaker 2: here in Atlanta for a little while.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I think he'll be a great addition for those guys
Speaker 2: because he offensively, you know, he can, he can score
Speaker 2: it a little bit. Defensively, he's solid, and he'll be
Speaker 2: a guy who can definitely take some pressure off those guys.
Speaker 2: And you know, from night to night, any given night,
Speaker 2: you know, he can have big nights, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Yep, he can.
Speaker 2: He can give you twenty five points twelve rebounds on
Speaker 2: any given night. And I think to have guys like that,
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna need that throughout the throughout the
Speaker 2: regular season and if you make it to the postseason,
Speaker 2: to h to be lead, to be able to compete
Speaker 2: in at Western Conference, man, you're gonna need you need
Speaker 2: John Collins.
Speaker 1: You still may need a little more help though you
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: But all things being equal, I probably would have rather
Speaker 2: have Kessler. I'd rather have a big that can dominate
Speaker 2: the paint because he's a he's a great rem protector,
Speaker 2: he can block shots. He can be a lob threat
Speaker 2: if needed. But I uh uh, that's that's look. John
Speaker 2: Collins is a lob threat. He can make you know.
Speaker 2: He like you said, he probably give you fifteen to
Speaker 2: seventeen a night. But they really need a big. They
Speaker 2: need somebody a joe that can that can block shot,
Speaker 2: that can protect the paint because when they go when
Speaker 2: they go big and they have Ruy and Lebron playing
Speaker 2: the four and the five of the five and the
Speaker 2: four hive, you want to look at him.
Speaker 1: That's not enough. That ain't gonna win you. That that's
Speaker 1: not gonna win your.
Speaker 2: Championship with Lebron and Ruy Hotchimore playing four or five
Speaker 2: or five.
Speaker 1: And four, it ain't. But the thing is it ain't many.
Speaker 2: It ain't many big guys out here, Like, dang, they
Speaker 2: should have got that guy from Carolina, from Charlotte.
Speaker 1: What's you think they can still get them Mark Williams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, free Look look look what he he averaged, like
Speaker 2: sixteen and ten for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but he don't.
Speaker 2: Man, they gonna get They get a big to average
Speaker 2: sixteen and ten. Oh they go, they going to the West,
Speaker 2: the conference finals.
Speaker 1: But he's on a bad team. You know he can
Speaker 1: he do that with the Laker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think he can ge And the expect expectations
Speaker 2: is gonna be different, Joe, It's gonna be a lot different.
Speaker 2: It's a lot different playing playing down there in Charlotte
Speaker 2: with no with no ain't nobody watching, nobody watching. Man,
Speaker 2: it's a little different. You could come out, you know,
Speaker 2: play Lucy Goose and have fun. You get to l
Speaker 2: a every game. You're gonna feel like you in the finals.
Speaker 1: Almost. Well, what about DeAndre Ayton?
Speaker 2: I like it. I like DeAndre Ayden here free agent? No,
Speaker 2: but he probably could be had. Oh he's up, so
Speaker 2: we do he have a three plus three plus an option.
Speaker 2: It's a team option, a player option. Damn, it's been
Speaker 2: that long since they wanted your finals.
Speaker 1: Hey, uh, you t ain't trying to get off marketment
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 2: Laurd Oh nah, hell nah. You should try to build
Speaker 2: around him, man. Yeah, well, he he's a good eight.
Speaker 2: It's good because he has an expiring contract. He only
Speaker 2: has this one this last year coming up, so he's
Speaker 2: a prime cander. You know, they love NBA. They love
Speaker 2: getting these guys on the last last year of a deal, Joe,
Speaker 2: because you're gonna because you know what you're gonna get
Speaker 2: out of him.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get the best. You're gonna get the best
Speaker 1: out of him.
Speaker 2: You playing with he tried to get He tried to
Speaker 2: he tried to get that Muller, He tried to get
Speaker 2: that Spriller. You already know. Hey, no way, they give
Speaker 2: it out nowadays. Boy, you being fool not to be
Speaker 2: out there and give him your best. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: give him give him twenty and ten. That's that's forty men,
Speaker 2: that's five years. That's for four year, five years, two
Speaker 2: hundred meal. I like eight, and I think you can
Speaker 2: even play through him a little bit, you know, from
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I don't know if that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I know it's wish for thinking for you. You know
Speaker 2: you'll you're fig Joe Swaggy p have a hot take
Speaker 2: this morning. Tim Duncan, Spurs was not a dynasty team.
Speaker 1: Man. I ran into him a few times.
Speaker 2: Uh what was that two thousand and two. I was
Speaker 2: playing with Marlberry, he was a point guard. We were
Speaker 2: a seed playing against the Spurs, who was a one seed.
Speaker 2: I think there was a Marius rookie year. Uh, we
Speaker 2: played them and we won game one, Uncle san Antonio.
Speaker 1: But after that it was a rap whether A couple
Speaker 1: of years later we get Steve Nash.
Speaker 2: Obviously we're the best team in the league, and uh,
Speaker 2: they beat us again like they have been in the way,
Speaker 2: like the San Anto What do you mean they ain't
Speaker 2: been a dynasty?
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: But I want to know his definition. I mean you
Speaker 2: figured you look at all the championships they won. They won,
Speaker 2: and they.
Speaker 1: Won in ninety nine, Yeah that's what they won. In
Speaker 1: what three?
Speaker 2: They won in probably what five? They wanted seven? He
Speaker 2: ain't said they was Swedish. So I want to know
Speaker 2: what his definition is, Bro, you can be a dynasty. Look,
Speaker 2: I think the thing is what happened. Unless you want
Speaker 2: a three pet like the Laker, like a Shaton, Toby
Speaker 2: or Jordan, you're not a dynasty. That's bullgyiin, No, they
Speaker 2: won fourtunes, they won four championships and at least a
Speaker 2: ten year span.
Speaker 1: What is that? I would definitely call it a diner.
Speaker 2: How many teams, how many teams other than the Celtics,
Speaker 2: the sixty Celtics can say they won four championships and
Speaker 2: a ten year span. Basically, you looking at the Celtics
Speaker 2: and you're looking at the Bulls. The Bulls won six
Speaker 2: and an eight year span. But I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: out so who else, who else can say that?
Speaker 1: Nobody? So I guess you. I guess you're gonna say
Speaker 1: what you call what the dynasty the.
Speaker 2: Warriors wars, not that I mean, but by his talking,
Speaker 2: the Warriors was not a dynasty.
Speaker 1: He played And just because you don't win time, I guess.
Speaker 2: You can say, well, they didn't because the Spurs they
Speaker 2: never did win the title back to back but four
Speaker 2: and ten years, so it might have been more than
Speaker 2: shorter than that.
Speaker 1: Ninety nine three oh five, Oh.
Speaker 2: No, they know, no, that'll be five I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: it won four like a like an eight year span.
Speaker 2: So ninety nine, three oh five and anyone what another
Speaker 2: seven and seven?
Speaker 1: You know what it is? Yeah? What you know what
Speaker 1: it is? Oh? They want yeah, bro, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: they weren't they won four to eight.
Speaker 2: Years because I from swaggering probably thinking like you know,
Speaker 2: they wasn't exciting to watch. You know, no they're not.
Speaker 2: They're broccoli fighting to watch. But you ain't good to you,
Speaker 2: but it's good for you. They got it done, man,
Speaker 2: they got it done. I don't care how you cut it.
Speaker 2: I consider that. I definitely consider them a dynasty. Yeah
Speaker 2: for sure. Oh yeah, yeah. Look you look at what
Speaker 2: they had. They got Tim Duncan, who's uh. You can
Speaker 2: make a case that either top ten player of all
Speaker 2: time with those accomplishments both offensively and defensively. You look
Speaker 2: at Tony Parker and look how he did it with
Speaker 2: the exception of Duncan. Did you actually think, well, they
Speaker 2: got Tony Parker and they got Moneled Genobi. Do you
Speaker 2: think at one point, what point in time did you say,
Speaker 2: you know what, Marna, you know that he gonna be
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame player. Tony Parker is gonna best
Speaker 2: rude to be a finals MVP. There wasn't. They wasn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand that Parker was a first round pick,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't highly acclaim. He wasn't no lot to
Speaker 2: be picked. He wasn't think what Tony Parker like nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty something. Hey, that was my draft.
Speaker 1: That was old one.
Speaker 2: We came in together. But what break was Parker Parker's
Speaker 2: like number twenty two or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty eight. Yeah, that last, that's almost last
Speaker 2: in the first round. Yeah, and Genoba was the second
Speaker 2: round pick.
Speaker 1: Because it's the system.
Speaker 2: It's the system they have that Pop has created, the
Speaker 2: plug and play, you know, it's having that discipline, understanding
Speaker 2: your play. Gotta players gotta play a certain way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: understanding your role. And we ain't having no foolishness around here,
Speaker 2: hear me. It ain't gonna be no foolishness. Hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna be led by by Tim Duncan, who has been
Speaker 2: awesome since since he's came into the NBA. Playing next
Speaker 2: to David Robinson. Yeah, plug and play, baby plug, and
Speaker 2: they had the luxury when Tim came Tim was a
Speaker 2: grown up. Yeah, he spent four years in college. So
Speaker 2: he wasn't eighteen, he wasn't nineteen, he wasn't twenty. He
Speaker 2: was a full grown man. And he don't get that today.
Speaker 2: And he conducted himself as a full grown man. And
Speaker 2: you know, coach Popovich and coach Belichick, they get along.
Speaker 2: There a lot of light because Timmy allowed coach Pop
Speaker 2: to coach him hard. Tom allowed coach Belichick to coach
Speaker 2: him hard. So if your best player is getting coached hard,
Speaker 2: how you think you're gonna get coached How can you
Speaker 2: complain when they don't complain?
Speaker 1: Timmy never complained.
Speaker 2: And the thing was, and that's kind of what ended
Speaker 2: up breaking the Spurs up because everybody up until Kawhi
Speaker 2: allowed coach Pop to coach him a certain way. I
Speaker 2: agree Kawhi was very une and why was different And
Speaker 2: sometimes the best job sometimes as a cult, you have
Speaker 2: to understand who you could ride and who you have
Speaker 2: to paddle on the back because you can't put your
Speaker 2: foot in everybody's butt because some guys are buck right.
Speaker 1: You say, look, you got to think about this too.
Speaker 2: Before they got Tim Duncan, they were one of the
Speaker 2: top teams in the NBA, and then I think they
Speaker 2: had an injury. I don't know if David Robinson got
Speaker 2: injured how they ended up getting and Tim Duncan. They
Speaker 2: had them twin towers and it's like they were cheating.
Speaker 2: But yeah, right, I thought Tim Duncan came into the
Speaker 2: NBA and he was very mature, you know, for a rookie,
Speaker 2: and yeah, you don't necessarily see that meaning you could
Speaker 2: play through him. He was so dominated at that power
Speaker 2: forward position. It wasn't many guys who was stopping. No,
Speaker 2: he understood the system. He played within the system, and
Speaker 2: they dominated. They dominated. I think that was what the
Speaker 2: lockout year when he came in. Yep, yeah, yep. So
Speaker 2: you look at you got. You got David Robinson, Tim Duncan.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah to David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and I
Speaker 2: think Sean Elliott he's on that team. Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 2: there's some great veteran Avery Johnson.
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, look, you got two tops.
Speaker 2: You got two top seventy five players with David Robinson
Speaker 2: and Tim Duncan, even though Timmy was a rookie, right,
Speaker 2: but he was mature. I think the last senior to
Speaker 2: be number one overall was Kenyon Martin, which was the
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So now guys are coming out of freshman and
Speaker 2: then at the one point in time, the guys you know,
Speaker 2: Lebron and Dwight Howard didn't even go to college and
Speaker 2: they were the number one overall. So you got to
Speaker 2: go back twenty five twenty six years the last time
Speaker 2: you had a senior be selected number one overall. Because
Speaker 2: people look at to see, oh Joe now with the
Speaker 2: money being, they're like, bro, you that good? Why you
Speaker 2: still in college? That ain't love even if you're a junior.
Speaker 2: Bro you had, I mean, hold on you that good?
Speaker 2: What you're still doing here? Hey? Because when I was
Speaker 2: in college, that was the thing. It was like, man,
Speaker 2: you stayed more than two years, they gonna think something
Speaker 2: wrong with you.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. And uh you know I got that uh.
Speaker 2: From the from the late great uh uh Wallace Praither
Speaker 2: who coached to Atlanta Celtics out here in Atlanta when
Speaker 2: I was when I was a junior high school, I
Speaker 2: came out here and played with the Celtics, And that's
Speaker 2: that's one thing he was telling, Man, you stay longer
Speaker 2: than two years, they're gonna think something wrong with you. Nowadays,
Speaker 2: you ain't getting there. It ain't gonna be no number
Speaker 2: one pick as no senior no more. I know ain't
Speaker 2: gonna see that no more.
Speaker 1: No. And even with the nil then like cool flashes,
Speaker 1: stay another Yeah for what, I ain't staying no more.
Speaker 2: His whole hit, The whole objective is get to the
Speaker 2: end of the NBA or the NFL. Okay, if I
Speaker 2: can collect five six eight million dollars and get and
Speaker 2: get there in the same amount of time.
Speaker 1: No, all they did was speed up the process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my ability and the ability to enter into the
Speaker 2: draft now it's different than the NFL because you can't
Speaker 2: go before your junior year. But other than that, I'm
Speaker 2: not waiting around. I'm trying to get to the bag
Speaker 2: as soon as I possibly can. Yeah, because the sooner he.
Speaker 1: Get in there and playing them get them two three years.
Speaker 2: Up, they're gonna now they're gonna wlop him down, exactly, Joe.
Speaker 2: There's been some drama recently surrounding future pick Ah Bailey.
Speaker 2: Bailey reported canceled his pre draft workout with the Sixers.
Speaker 2: The Sixers have not ruled out selecting Bailey with the
Speaker 2: number three overall pick in the twenty twenty five draft.
Speaker 2: Team Phil Bailey has received poor advice during the pre
Speaker 2: draft process after agent demanded payment for interviews. Ace Bailey
Speaker 2: reported had Omar Cooper, the father of Sharif Cooper, representing
Speaker 2: him as an agent. Bailey remains the only US best
Speaker 2: base prospect yet to visit any teams. Joe, if you
Speaker 2: could offer, you went through this process, you played fifteen
Speaker 2: plus years. What's some advice you would give As Bailey
Speaker 2: if you could talk get his ear uh for me? Man,
Speaker 2: I would tell him, at least, here's some of these
Speaker 2: teams are you know, maybe maybe maybe the first few
Speaker 2: teams that's picking. Maybe he don't even want to be
Speaker 2: drafted by you know what I mean. But I've had
Speaker 2: a chance to see As Bailey play in high school
Speaker 2: and in college. He is gonna be an elite pro
Speaker 2: and maybe he knows and understands that.
Speaker 1: He probably knows understanding his work.
Speaker 2: But there is a process that we all have to
Speaker 2: go through when we when we are trying to enter
Speaker 2: the NBA draft. And I'm not sure what you know
Speaker 2: his his agent is telling them or what they're thinking.
Speaker 2: But if I'm Philly, man, it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 2: pass him up. Yeah, mancuse Philly, that three, That man
Speaker 2: got a whole lot of game man, and I.
Speaker 1: Could see him fitting in seamlessly.
Speaker 2: With you know, uh Tyrese, Tyrese Aliburton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hope, you get hope you can get and be.
Speaker 2: Back healthy, Tyrese, max In the MB, Tyree's Baxen, not
Speaker 2: Halibert's say Helabern, Maxic m B and even Paul George.
Speaker 2: I think you know they gotta they gotta and they
Speaker 2: got some great young pieces over there too already. But
Speaker 2: he can flat out score that ball man. He can fly. Yeah, McCain,
Speaker 2: I think McCain got hurt. McCain, he got hurt. So
Speaker 2: I thought Philly dealt with a lot of injuries. But
Speaker 2: add him to that man, that that's that's a good look.
Speaker 2: He can play all well. I understand Keavin Mavericks ain't
Speaker 2: working anybody out but Cooper flag So you aren't gonna
Speaker 2: work out for them anyway now too, san Antonio at
Speaker 2: three Philly, because you look, san Antonio.
Speaker 1: Got a lot of guards already.
Speaker 2: You know, they got they got a castle, they got vassal,
Speaker 2: they got a what's the other, uh, Sir Sean d
Speaker 2: Aaron Fox, The likelihood of them going because how.
Speaker 1: Tall is he a guard? Here? Yeah, he can. He
Speaker 1: gonna play this too.
Speaker 2: He about six eight, about six eighth, so okay, he
Speaker 2: he uh, he do a little bit everything.
Speaker 1: He's sixteen, Joe.
Speaker 2: I ain't I didn't stand next to him, but from
Speaker 2: what I've seen, the man jump ball, he played the point,
Speaker 2: he did everything. He can rebound outside of his area
Speaker 2: like and not only that, like he has.
Speaker 1: A pro game already the way he plays.
Speaker 2: If you gonna look at when he played at Rutgers, like,
Speaker 2: look at the shots that he took, like that man
Speaker 2: is a hell of a shot maker.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So in the pros, that's what you're looking for. You
Speaker 2: looking for guys who can make tough shots. He's gonna
Speaker 2: be a great pro man regardless of where you go.
Speaker 2: But uh, if Philly passed up on him at the
Speaker 2: at the three spot, they gonna probably regret that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he tried. He tried to pull a Charles Barker. Charles
Speaker 2: Barker said they wanted him at like two eighty. Charles said, bad, Philly,
Speaker 2: go check take me. And they ain't got no money
Speaker 2: till about paying me fifty thousand he said, Man, I
Speaker 2: ain't leave all but for fifty thousands, he said, bad.
Speaker 1: I went the Seals.
Speaker 2: Little had be like three people, had two baked potatoes,
Speaker 2: all that bread.
Speaker 1: I waited at two ninety nine, like we still go
Speaker 1: draft you fast as Look. I wonder is it that
Speaker 1: he don't want to go to Philly? Uh?
Speaker 2: Maybe, but I'm surprised consider that h Rutgers is I
Speaker 2: mean Jersey right down, I mean you right down the road.
Speaker 2: But he probably won't. He probably want that instant, that
Speaker 2: instant uh uh uh, you know, productivity when he coming
Speaker 2: to the NBA. You know, if he go to Philly,
Speaker 2: you know, it's still a pecking order. You know, Oh
Speaker 2: he's joeling b Yeah, I don't care how good he played,
Speaker 2: it's still gonna be a pecking order.
Speaker 1: Well. Hell, he ain't worked out for nobody, Joe, I know.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I give me the top five,
Speaker 1: give me the top five spot.
Speaker 2: I know Mavericks got one, san Antonio got to Philly
Speaker 2: got three, who got four and five? I think Hunt
Speaker 2: has got the fourth pick, Charlotte has four.
Speaker 1: You taed. He ain't really trying to go to another
Speaker 1: of them? Now, hen't to be out of Joe. He
Speaker 1: ain't really try to go another deal, but I want
Speaker 1: you on that.
Speaker 2: It looks but if I'm him, Charlotte might not be
Speaker 2: a bad spot. Meaning it is this Charlotte. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be bad. But look, they gotta get some playoffs. They
Speaker 2: need more players around LaMelo. You already got Melo over there,
Speaker 2: and Brandon Miller, and you add a Bailey with that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That's what he afraid of. He said, I don't want
Speaker 2: to get added to that. I would have get some
Speaker 2: tracted from that. See you try to do addition. I've
Speaker 2: tried to do some tracks. But he gonna be able
Speaker 2: to put up them numbers that he probably, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking about putting up. You over there with the hornets,
Speaker 2: you better put up some numbers. Your numbers will be
Speaker 2: better over there then they gonna be in Philly. A
Speaker 2: if if a tree falls in the forest and nobody
Speaker 2: hears it, doesn't make it sound you scoring thirty in Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Look at Mello Melo average twenty five, twenty six in Charlotte.
Speaker 2: The ain't nobody paying no attention to it. That's because
Speaker 2: they got a win man. You got them in them markets.
Speaker 2: You gotta win in order to be to get some notoriety,
Speaker 2: you gotta win. Okay, yeah, yeah, eighth baby. One of
Speaker 2: the promise for the Sixers before agreed to meet with them,
Speaker 2: per Jason Domus promise to what he promised?
Speaker 1: What he said that if he if he goes and
Speaker 1: visits to him.
Speaker 2: He wanted to promise I promise him say yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: you know question, we're gonna drave you.
Speaker 1: And then like no, we're not gonna drive him. Oh
Speaker 1: so they wanted a promise. He wanted a promise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably felt like he number one pick worthy.
Speaker 2: But obviously you know you ain't getting that. They're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Maverick's gonna take Cooper fe Mavick taking Cooper Cooper Flag
Speaker 2: And maybe in any other draft that might have been
Speaker 2: a possibility. But after Cooper Flag did what he did
Speaker 2: on the US elect team and then the type of season.
Speaker 1: That he had, a duke, wouldn't nobody going in front
Speaker 1: of that kid? Man.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, dude, this dude is gonna
Speaker 2: be a hell of a pro man. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that did not, but he gonna go in front of the
Speaker 2: Cooper of Flag. He ain't going in front the Cooper flag.
Speaker 2: I understand that, but where he do go I think
Speaker 2: it does make a difference. Uh Now, I know, I say,
Speaker 2: you know, Philly, Philly shouldn't pass up on him. But
Speaker 2: if the way him and his agent is probably thinking
Speaker 2: at this point, like, man, we want to get you
Speaker 2: into a situation to where where you can play right away.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe they maybe they turned Philly down because
Speaker 2: they do want.
Speaker 1: To go to uh uh all of that elsewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Somebody might shoot up the board. But if I'm Charlotte,
Speaker 2: I ain't passing it right. You can't cause you got
Speaker 2: you got Dylan Harper. I don't think Dylan Harper Gordon
Speaker 2: and san Antonio because they got a boat, little guards
Speaker 2: to begin with, the last thing, the last thing Dylan
Speaker 2: Harper need is is a is to be in San
Speaker 2: Antonio with Fox, with Stefan Castle, with so Sean.
Speaker 1: Who do you think they gonna take with that number two?
Speaker 1: That number two pick?
Speaker 2: Then you think they're gonna you gonna think they're gonna
Speaker 2: take Dylan Harper?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think they're gonna really yeah.
Speaker 2: Nah, I trade say a Phoenix, I traded give me
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, and that's why I think is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's not you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think at the end that at.
Speaker 2: The end of I think Durant is gonna probably end
Speaker 2: up going to the Spurs and that's probably gonna send
Speaker 2: Dylan Harper probably the Phoenix. Because I think the thing is, Look,
Speaker 2: I would love to see k D and Houston with
Speaker 2: with Aarmen Thompson and Shing.
Speaker 1: Gooon you bring you bring Van Fleet back.
Speaker 2: So because I think the thing that hurt Houston and
Speaker 2: Layton games, they ain't got nobody can give it to
Speaker 2: see what KD.
Speaker 1: You got somebody that you can give it to Layton games.
Speaker 2: Shing Gooon is an All NBA select I mean he
Speaker 2: went to the All Star Game this year.
Speaker 1: Arm and Thompson. It's a he's rising.
Speaker 2: He coming, Yeah, play tremendous defense, can go get buckets.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 2: You got a four floord general and Van Fleet that's
Speaker 2: won a championship, knows what it takes to win. I
Speaker 2: like that they got great pieces. I mean they were
Speaker 2: the number two CD yep. The thing else I'll be
Speaker 2: willing to give you one. I give you your Barsmith Junior.
Speaker 2: I'll give you Jalen Green, but you can't have both
Speaker 2: of them for k D. Yeah, i'll give you. I'll
Speaker 2: give you one of them and at a first in
Speaker 2: our first round pick Phoenix gone go on both of them. No,
Speaker 2: can't do. They've they've already come down on the asking price.
Speaker 2: Because the thing is is that you're looking at a
Speaker 2: situation where they're like, well man, Desmond Bane went for
Speaker 2: X amount of picks, but Desmond Bank, No, he's not
Speaker 2: the player that Kevin Durant is. But he's probably seven
Speaker 2: to ten years younger than Kevin Durant and doesn't have
Speaker 2: the history of being injured like Kevin Durant. And Orlando
Speaker 2: was indeed of some shooting yet and some defense on
Speaker 2: the forerima. Now, yeah, they needed so it's probably they
Speaker 2: probably more likely over you know, over compensated for him.
Speaker 1: But they and they had a boat.
Speaker 2: But the thing Yil Joe, they're on a handful of
Speaker 2: teams that had a boatloader pick that could throw out them.
Speaker 2: San Antonio got a boat little picks, Orlando had a
Speaker 2: boatlottle picks. Brooklyn got a boatload of picks. So they
Speaker 2: got Okay, see, so you got ten first round picks,
Speaker 2: so who'll killed a heck if you give up four
Speaker 2: of them? And we're looking at with Paulo Bank, Caro Franz, Wagner,
Speaker 2: Desmond Bang, Jlem Suggs, we gonna be winning, and so
Speaker 2: that ain't gonna be no lot of the picks anyway.
Speaker 2: So that's why we left him up protected because you're
Speaker 2: gonna be picking in the twitter, right, we don't need
Speaker 2: to protect nothing to twenty right, and I feel like
Speaker 2: Orlando feel like they time can be now. It can't
Speaker 2: be right, you know, because looking at the it's why
Speaker 2: JT's hurt. He's gonna be gone for at least a year.
Speaker 2: Ah Man Durank going to he going to San Antonio. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he gonna saying because they you're right, they not gonna,
Speaker 2: They not gonna. I can't really see a rookie helping
Speaker 2: san Antonio get to where they're trying to get to
Speaker 2: at this point because they got so many, they got.
Speaker 1: Enough young player.
Speaker 2: Hell, we'll be only the third really, women will really
Speaker 2: be a second year because you got he ended up.
Speaker 2: He played less than half the year, so now he's
Speaker 2: coming back. You got Castle, who was a rookie last year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got some veteran guys. You got Dearon Foxing, you
Speaker 2: got Shashan and you got Vassals Kelton Johnson.
Speaker 1: You got some guys. But do you really think.
Speaker 2: A rookie is gonna come and look, I mean in
Speaker 2: order to like I said, think about the rookies that's
Speaker 2: helped win a championsh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got Magic Johnson, you got Tim Duncan, and.
Speaker 2: That's Look, but that's that's that's kind of why I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like when you look at Dallas them taking
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag, you think Cooper Flag gonna be able to
Speaker 2: get them back to the finals?
Speaker 1: He too good to fight, He too good to u
Speaker 1: His projection says, he's too good to pass up.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's it's it's gonna be Uh,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting next this this next week is
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty interesting. I think we're gonna see a
Speaker 2: lot of guys moving around and uh, obviously Durant is
Speaker 2: probably gonna be one of the first guys, you know,
Speaker 2: to to to join a new team. And whatever team
Speaker 2: he joins, H, we know they gonna be favorite. They
Speaker 2: gonna be one of the favorites anyway, for sure. Uh,
Speaker 2: what does Fridges is start because you can have I
Speaker 2: think they got a tampering period in July.
Speaker 1: They can start with your fifth July seven or June thirty. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: so hell eleven days.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's gonna be so small theah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Fin's gotta get some draft capitol back. But they really
Speaker 2: want a good. They want a good They want at
Speaker 2: least one of two players that can come in and play.
Speaker 2: Right now, Hey, if you just send him to Houston,
Speaker 2: you get Green and Jabari Smith Jr. I don't think
Speaker 2: they'll give up both of them. Joe, You don't think so, man,
Speaker 2: I think they give up one. They weren't really playing
Speaker 2: Japari like that though. No, No, they weren't really playing.
Speaker 1: Them like that.
Speaker 2: And I feel like if you send him to Phoenix,
Speaker 2: they'll put him in a spot the word he can
Speaker 2: flourish rak and succeed, yeah and reach his his What
Speaker 2: about Jaalen Green de Phoenix? Because him and him and
Speaker 2: Book is the same type of a guy, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean phantasy. The part they need to get Book
Speaker 2: off the ball, let Book go back there is to
Speaker 2: let Book do what book does Chris Paul was, I
Speaker 2: don't know why they got rid of think about this though,
Speaker 2: if Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Do get Jalen Green, ain't you got Bradley Beal already? That?
Speaker 1: But what we're doing? Yeah? True? So Jabari Smith will
Speaker 1: be the one they want. Yeah so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Man insider Jake Fisher believe Durant is going to Miami.
Speaker 2: Joe what can I'm just trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: can Miami offer that the Sun?
Speaker 1: That? What can they offer the Sun?
Speaker 2: Well? I mean, you got two players, and you don't
Speaker 2: want to give up either one of them. You don't
Speaker 2: want to give up Bama. You don't want to give
Speaker 2: up Tyler Hero. Well, if your action price don win down,
Speaker 2: do you have some picks? Let me think of a
Speaker 2: couple of players you can throw all. They ain't got
Speaker 2: no picks. I know Duncan, Robinson, Hot Smith, Hoimi, Howkas Hobvid.
Speaker 2: That's why I can't see him going to Miami, because
Speaker 2: they ain't really got nothing. They gonna give up guys,
Speaker 2: You're gonna try to keep them. So you compare them
Speaker 2: with KD. I don't see him going to Miami. Do
Speaker 2: you think let's just say for the sake of argument
Speaker 2: for this discussion, he goes to Miami or Miami automatically
Speaker 2: contending with him Bam and Tyler Hero.
Speaker 1: Yeah in the East, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Uh oh they got they got they got my young
Speaker 2: boy over there, kel A whare he got?
Speaker 1: You got some value in him?
Speaker 2: Six eleven seven foot You know he played great this
Speaker 2: year for.
Speaker 1: The Miami Heat.
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah if he if Durank go to Miami, yeah,
Speaker 2: they gonna be one of the favorites for sure. I
Speaker 2: think the thing is what happened was matt ishber Ishpa
Speaker 2: I know went to what I went to the WNB
Speaker 2: All Star Game, had an opportunity to have some good
Speaker 2: conversation with it.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is like when you come in,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I'm winning. I'm waring.
Speaker 2: And he made some moves that and you're like, you
Speaker 2: go back and look at like, if you got Katie,
Speaker 2: do you really need Bradley? Beal right, you probably need
Speaker 2: to go get somebody the baby, Go get a big
Speaker 2: or get somebody that can defend, because you got a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys that can score and to defend on
Speaker 2: a nightly basis, you gotta have the you gotta be
Speaker 2: able to defend. Look at the two teams that's in
Speaker 2: the final. They got wings that can defend. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: got Nie Smith, you got them hard, you got set defend,
Speaker 2: you got math Ron, you got guys that can defend.
Speaker 1: And obviously we know what you got.
Speaker 2: Okay, see with those winging guys, so you got all
Speaker 2: this offense and you don't got the thing was with Phoenix,
Speaker 2: they couldn't stop anybody. Yeah, they they could score, but
Speaker 2: if it's a nip tuck ball game, now, guess what
Speaker 2: they're getting. Their positions are a lot easier than yours. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a pretty good risk. I think
Speaker 2: the guys that you put around those three, meaning Devin, Booker,
Speaker 2: Bill and Durant, I think that's the key. You need
Speaker 2: guys surrounding those guys who are like blue collar, hard
Speaker 2: working guys and kind of let them guys just kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously play but you know score, but uh,
Speaker 2: you need guys who understand their role man, and they
Speaker 2: just ain't had I don't feel like they had the
Speaker 2: right pieces around me.
Speaker 1: Joe.
Speaker 2: I spent all the money on the house, so the
Speaker 2: furniture gonna be ish. Hey, look ip over budget as
Speaker 2: it is, Joe, i'p over a budget as it is.
Speaker 1: Look you, I'm telling you I'm the guy. Joe. I
Speaker 1: got a house.
Speaker 2: My agent, my financial people said, okay, Shallon, I wanted
Speaker 2: the house in Atlanta. Came to Freak Naked ninety two
Speaker 2: ninety three, called my agent before I left. I said, man,
Speaker 2: I moved to I thought you wanted the houses about.
Speaker 2: I said, man, didn't I tell you y'all want a
Speaker 2: house house? Somebody find me the house in Atlanta. So
Speaker 2: they said, at the time, I think I was making
Speaker 2: bout seven think I'll make it by six hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: So they say, okay, you know you're supposed to get
Speaker 1: a house.
Speaker 2: You get a house, that's your salary, you know, whatever
Speaker 2: half of your salary. So I was like, okay, this
Speaker 2: say Shannon for twenty five, you know, and for twenty five.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So the first house the lady showed me, actually it
Speaker 2: was Sugar Ray Leonards ex wife.
Speaker 1: What need us? It was her old house.
Speaker 2: I walked in there. It was in Buckhead. Because I
Speaker 2: was gonna look at Buckhead. I was looking she stopped
Speaker 2: being Buckhead. Then I was going to Stone Mountain, then
Speaker 2: I was going to Alphareto.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, But in the.
Speaker 2: House, I walked around, saw that marble, all that, all
Speaker 2: that radio, saw the fireless staircase. John's like, ooh this night.
Speaker 2: She said, oh, wait, do you see down? You know,
Speaker 2: down got a finished basement. I said, really, I ain't
Speaker 2: never seen no baby before. Joe, I'll be there, Joe,
Speaker 2: excuse me. I go downstairs, three thousand square foot finished basement.
Speaker 1: So now she's like, okay, this is the first house.
Speaker 2: I was saying to myself, I don't want to see
Speaker 2: nothing new, yo, I don't want to see nothing else.
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. She said, no, we we got
Speaker 2: some other houses we go to see. I said, okay, man,
Speaker 2: the mother houses and they were really nice. It was
Speaker 2: all like she was showing me our house. I said,
Speaker 2: I want to go back. So I said, let's go
Speaker 2: back to the first house. I cut, I cut to.
Speaker 2: I saw one. I saw one in bathfrenda and I
Speaker 2: saw one in them and marry yea. I said, let's
Speaker 2: go back to the first house. I asked nothing and
Speaker 2: I saw one in the stole out. I said, let's
Speaker 2: go back to that first house.
Speaker 1: She drove me. She took me back to the first house.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, yeah, I didn't know that my people
Speaker 2: had already told her the budget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then damn budget and went out the door.
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred and eighty thousand over budget, Joe, I
Speaker 2: had a for two years.
Speaker 1: I had a bed and a TV. You adn't putting
Speaker 1: some funds in there? Why I don't put it in
Speaker 1: that with Yeah, that's spend dollar money in the house.
Speaker 1: You can get I ain't get in. No furniture. I ain't.
Speaker 2: Hey, somebody come up, Hey, Joe, somebody come over. They
Speaker 2: can fit the living room and go see down on
Speaker 2: the floor watching TV.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all I add. So that's the thing
Speaker 1: with you with Phoenix.
Speaker 2: You got Kadie, you got a bill, you got booked,
Speaker 2: you got out a scr. But you got in is furniture.
Speaker 2: You ain't got nothing. And and that's why they look
Speaker 2: the way they've looked. You can't.
Speaker 1: They ain't even made.
Speaker 2: They ain't made the play in so they gotta hey, look,
Speaker 2: so we one thing we do know is they more
Speaker 2: than likely or they are gonna trade durant.
Speaker 1: Yes, they got a book. Can't going nowhere.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't seem like because he has a no
Speaker 2: trade I mean, let's let this sink in. Bradley Bill
Speaker 2: and Lebron James are the only two players that have
Speaker 2: a no trade clause.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, so now he control it. You can't trol it,
Speaker 2: you can't get trade it. He was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: wan't gonna trade you. No, I'm not going there all
Speaker 2: right because I think they we want to go damn
Speaker 2: because they wanted to get off Bill, but they can't.
Speaker 1: They can't. They can't, so they gotta make it work.
Speaker 2: So that's why I say, ye, you gotta If from Phoenix,
Speaker 2: I'm going with some young guys who have proven that
Speaker 2: you know, they can play in this league.
Speaker 1: Aston for me, Houston would be oh Houston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you I'm saying, if you can get back
Speaker 2: Green and Parker Jabari Parker like no, Smith, Jabari Smith Jr. Man,
Speaker 2: that's that'll help your team. Yeah, for sure, that'll help
Speaker 2: your team. Now, the problem you're gonna have because both
Speaker 2: of those guys love to score, and you got Bradley
Speaker 2: Beal with Devin Booker and Jalen Green, you know you
Speaker 2: might be back in the.
Speaker 1: Same position he was in.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be in the same spot. But you do
Speaker 2: have a big, active, big uh he got. He's gotta eat.
Speaker 2: He's gonna need to get a little better. I think
Speaker 2: he will a little bit, a little bit more bricks
Speaker 2: in his pocket. I think, you know, his limited playtime
Speaker 2: because you had Shing Goon playing so well. But it's
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see how this thing played out.
Speaker 2: The one thing we do know, they want to move
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. They tried to move back to the trade deadline,
Speaker 2: and He's like, Noah, let me go ahead and stay
Speaker 2: here because I come with a lot, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm gonna need some time to integrate.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna need some some camps and some
Speaker 2: you know, some uh preseason to get into the floor
Speaker 2: of things. But man, if he goes to San Antonio,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be cheating again. Yeah, him and Winby and
Speaker 2: Castle and Deer and Fox, san Antonio gonna be right back, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they got that mean Look, okay, see got the picks.
Speaker 2: He's not going to Okay, see Brooklyn got the picks.
Speaker 2: He's not going to Brooklyn. San Antonio got picks. Houston
Speaker 2: got some picks and they got some players. See Houston
Speaker 2: have Houston and San Antonio have picks and players.
Speaker 1: That's why I think this is gonna be one of
Speaker 1: them two teams. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: He already said he wanted to go to what Texas
Speaker 2: or team with no state tax?
Speaker 1: Yep, Texas. Uh the Spurs rockets heat.
Speaker 2: There you go. I don't see the heat. I don't
Speaker 2: see the heat happening. I don't think they got enough.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 2: But uh, to help Phoenix, you know, fulfill anything to
Speaker 2: get to get back some that's worth the value for
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: So I don't really see that in Miami. I don't
Speaker 1: see it. The volume