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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. One of Michigan's most

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Speaker 1: lucrative industries is hunting and fishing. But as some of

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Speaker 1: our key agencies change personnel, the endangered species seem to

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Speaker 1: be changing to hunters rather than animals. We have Michigan

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Speaker 1: based outdoor writer Victor Skinner here to chat about all

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Speaker 1: things hunting. Victor, Welcome to the podcast. I'm good to

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Speaker 1: be here too, so you've thank you. You've been working

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Speaker 1: in this industry for years and years. And we were

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Speaker 1: talking before we got on the air about the wolf population.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that I wanted to talk about because

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Speaker 1: I think that most people don't deal with wolves, so

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Speaker 1: they don't think about it. But the environmental groups, or

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Speaker 1: I would say, I guess the animal rights groups are

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Speaker 1: about the wolf population. And I say that because I

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Speaker 1: remember a few years back when there was a question

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Speaker 1: on the ballot of whether or not we should be

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Speaker 1: hunting wolves. And I live in the Lower Peninsula of

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Speaker 1: Michigan and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Wolves are a

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Speaker 1: big problem. But I remember these commercials being on of

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Speaker 1: these like puppies, you know, they'd be like, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to kill these wonderful puppies. How could you do this?

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Speaker 1: And it was really effective because I'm like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: how could we kill these? But tell us a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the wolves they're under federal protections right now.

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Speaker 2: So in Michigan you can't, you know, if they're attacking

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Speaker 2: you can't. There's not really anything you can do about it.

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Speaker 2: And the Michigan DNR, you know, they can't. They don't

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Speaker 2: like that. So you have the wolf populations just really strong,

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Speaker 2: and it's all the way across the up and it,

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Speaker 2: you know, causes issues every year with hunting dogs and

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Speaker 2: with livestock. In Michigan, we we have reimbursed you know,

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Speaker 2: farmers if they get you know, have animals killed by wolves,

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Speaker 2: but we don't reimburse hunting people's hunting dogs and pets

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Speaker 2: and those kind of things. So we know that there.

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Speaker 2: It's happening a lot, but we don't really know how

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Speaker 2: much because there's no incentive for for you know, the

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of them do, but some of

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's well, I think that's an interesting

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Speaker 1: concept that we would reimburse people for their livestock and

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Speaker 1: of the problem, I mean, who wants to lose their

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Speaker 1: family pet in the state says oh, we'll give you

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Speaker 1: the value of your pet. What is the value of

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Speaker 1: my pet? And to me, that's very interesting because you

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Speaker 1: have these groups that are supposed animal lovers that are

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Speaker 1: said something interesting to me earlier that where this may

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Speaker 1: that we can't even though there is a federal protection

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Speaker 2: Mean the situation is at the federal level, and that's

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Speaker 2: where they're protected. And you know, the Fish and Wildlife

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Speaker 2: Surface has removed them from federal protection several times, and

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Speaker 2: you know, animal rights groups and anti hunting groups have

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Speaker 2: So a uh, you know, those protections limit what we

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like in this state of Michigan though,

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Speaker 1: But Michigan that has not necessarily been the case. As

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Speaker 1: There seems to be a push to stop hunting all together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. I mean in Michigan,

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Speaker 2: like you know, every state, we manage animals with hunting

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Speaker 2: work through federal excise tax on hunting, fishing equipment, and

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Speaker 2: licensed sales. But there is you know, a quiet push

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Speaker 2: and nobody really knows what that something else might be.

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Speaker 2: But you know, these sort of groups and these anti

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Speaker 2: which most people think is the goal of no hunting,

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Speaker 2: you know. And but they're smart, you know, and they

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Speaker 2: And you know, this bill filed by downstate Democrats wants

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Speaker 2: to add people to that council that are advocates for

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Speaker 2: non consumptive wildlife management, which you know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: in America and Michigan. I mean essentially that's right, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: But in America, in Michigan and North America in general.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's how we've managed wildlife for ever is

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Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is key because we have

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Speaker 1: been wondering how the culture has changed so quickly over time,

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Speaker 1: whether it is in schools, whether it is with I mean,

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Speaker 1: even what we're seeing right now, with this change of

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Speaker 1: how is this happening? How does this happen right on

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Speaker 1: wildlife organization that you're talking about that hunters are actually funding? Again,

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Speaker 1: going out into the state and educating people. Now they're

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Speaker 1: So what exactly who are they educating? And is this

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Speaker 1: next generation? Is is this the next thing where we

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Speaker 1: see a bunch of activists rising up and saying you

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Speaker 1: You said, they're well funded, and that to me is

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Speaker 1: key because this starts like this with a small bill,

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Speaker 2: I think it's been going on for a long time,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I just think that culture does have

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Speaker 2: and schools have changed. And you know, we used to

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Speaker 2: national thing. It's you know, we just had a federal

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Speaker 2: those kind of programs. So it's it's all little steps,

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Speaker 2: you know, they don't always necessarily come out and say,

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Speaker 2: that's the direction, you know. And they are well funded,

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. So when you see those commercials, people,

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Speaker 1: And they are very effective when this was running, this

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Speaker 1: in Michigan and it was honestly so effective. And then

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Speaker 1: I had a friend whose husband is working in the

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Speaker 1: On the Tutor Dixon podcast, you talked about the education

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Speaker 2: You know, why they don't leverage hunters more for these

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Speaker 1: And just for people to understand how big of a

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Speaker 1: was it truly is a part of their culture, a

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Speaker 1: part of their families, a part of what they've grown

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Speaker 1: up with, and that is being threatened, and it threatened

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Speaker 1: from all different areas. I do believe that it's getting

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Speaker 1: into our schools that they're teaching people, they're teaching our

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Speaker 1: from other directions in government. And that's why I think

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Speaker 1: it's so important that we fight back against this, not

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Speaker 1: only for the culture part of it, but just the

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Speaker 1: safety factor. I mean, how at what point does a

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Speaker 1: that people go, oh, shoot, I guess we actually should

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Speaker 1: have stopped us or and not even it doesn't even

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Speaker 1: take an attack. I mean, we had a friend that

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Speaker 1: lost a family member a few years back because of

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Speaker 1: hitting a deer. Hitting a deer in your car is

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily dangerous as well. This is irresponsible for people to

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Speaker 1: say you should stop hunting. I'll say one more thing, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: can you hand that to me because I have to

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Speaker 1: read it so last year this is how the other

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Speaker 1: side works. Last year, I posted this because I thought

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Speaker 1: it was funny. It was just something someone else had

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Speaker 1: that because I think we are still allowed to have

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Speaker 1: a sense of humor, but some people don't. So it

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Speaker 1: says the longer I live in a blue state, the

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Speaker 1: more I understand why the deer here throw themselves in

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Speaker 1: front of our cars. It's because obviously people well the

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Speaker 1: comments that I got on this were like so ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: and it was written it had like seventeen hundred quote

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Speaker 1: tweets because people were just crazy. They're like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: how can you make fun of suicide and you're such

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Speaker 1: a horrible person. I'm like, it was a joke. People.

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Speaker 1: I don't really believe that the deer are committing suicide,

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Speaker 1: but with these last bills that they've passed in the

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Speaker 1: past week here in the state of Michigan, it could

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Speaker 1: be possible that the deer are at least trying to

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Speaker 1: get away from them. So hopefully everything will change with

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Speaker 1: hunting in the state of Michigan. But we are blessed

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Speaker 1: to have Victor Skinner out there reporting all the time

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Speaker 1: on what's going on and making sure we're aware and

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Speaker 1: maybe we need to just put a little bit more

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Speaker 1: money into education on our side. But Victor, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being with us today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you too.

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