Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl drama, girl,
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Speaker 2: I loved this episode, you guys, I'm I am emotionally exhausted.
Speaker 3: Now all these years later, you're still exhausted.
Speaker 4: I feel every feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of crying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of crying.
Speaker 3: It's never trying this episode.
Speaker 5: God, but yeah, every cell in my body still feels
Speaker 5: all of it.
Speaker 4: Pathetic.
Speaker 2: Wow, this was big, Yeah, they really. There was just
Speaker 2: so many untied things in the episode before and there's
Speaker 2: still a lot of untied things.
Speaker 3: But it was nice.
Speaker 2: How sometimes I've seen them, we've seen them do episodes
Speaker 2: where it's like they're drawing something out and it's not.
Speaker 2: They're not solving anything for us yet, but it still
Speaker 2: feels really boring. This one they did a really nice
Speaker 2: job on because every piece of it felt interesting.
Speaker 4: Everybody's dealing with a different catastrophe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was such a good episode. Season five, episode eight,
Speaker 6: Please please please let me get what I want. Give
Speaker 6: him the synopsis, ladies, because it is gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Gorgeous air date February nineteen, two thousand and eight. Peyton
Speaker 2: admits her true feelings to Lucas, Brooke makes a play
Speaker 2: for Owen, and Marvin tries to convince Milicent he's a
Speaker 2: He's a better man than what she thinks he is.
Speaker 2: So Haley wrestles with whether or not to reveal the
Speaker 2: information that could ruin Lucas's relationship, and Nathan is put
Speaker 2: in a position that could end his whole marriage. Oh
Speaker 2: you think Yeah, And Lucas and Antoine face the coaching
Speaker 2: prospect of playing their season opener at a disadvantage. Directed
Speaker 2: by Paul Johanson, Written by the fabulous Mike Daniels who
Speaker 2: ended up marrying Mikayla McManus who plays Lindsey.
Speaker 6: Like such a happy, happy, gorgeous love story. By the way,
Speaker 6: Mike and Mikayla got married. Brendan kersh Our basketball coach
Speaker 6: who is also in this episode, and Lisa Goldstein, who
Speaker 6: plays Alison got married. We had so much.
Speaker 3: There was real love, yes, cross pollination.
Speaker 6: Yeah, gorgeous, gorgeous you know love that came out of
Speaker 6: this season in particular, My good ness, what an episode.
Speaker 5: I just hope that Mike and Michayla's real engagement was
Speaker 5: better than this one, because s I mean, but and
Speaker 5: to his credit, he took like a sucky thing and
Speaker 5: like gave everybody really good words. And so by the
Speaker 5: end of that journey of the engagement, it's like, oh God,
Speaker 5: thank god these tour together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like I was feeling like, oh, thank god, they work
Speaker 5: this out until Peyton knocks on the door and I
Speaker 5: have to snap back into reality and be.
Speaker 4: Like, oh nuts, I forgot what side I was on. Yep,
Speaker 4: I mean half.
Speaker 5: I mean the first act was all like recap, Yeah,
Speaker 5: were we saving money still?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably. But it's amazing that Mike.
Speaker 2: It just shows it a great writer Mike is, because
Speaker 2: it's amazing that he was able to take an episode
Speaker 2: that was full of recap and kind of several of
Speaker 2: the same type of scenes over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially for Peyton and Lucas.
Speaker 4: Oh god, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, you guys were the same conversation but like six
Speaker 2: different ways, and the fact that he made that so good.
Speaker 3: He's this is.
Speaker 2: Why people are bringing Mike Daniels into write and run
Speaker 2: their shows, because he's brilliant.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, he's so so good, and you know,
Speaker 6: to the point of when you take a situation that
Speaker 6: can be so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I e.
Speaker 6: I was doing a media to get my mind off
Speaker 6: of how angry who hides a ring in a sock drawer?
Speaker 6: Like you're like, oh, everything is so bad. This is bad, bad,
Speaker 6: bad bad, And somehow, through the tears and the fight
Speaker 6: and that I'm done feeling like I'm not good enough it,
Speaker 6: it does turn into a proposal that you're rooting for.
Speaker 6: And I had a moment while we were watching it
Speaker 6: where I was like, I hate this for her, but
Speaker 6: I want this to work.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, because when she smiled, it was real, like.
Speaker 3: She's so good.
Speaker 5: When she's like crying, she's so happy. Yeah, he finally asks,
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Lindsay is just so good.
Speaker 6: I literally wrote down the joy on her face. This
Speaker 6: is played so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked, and somehow I was I was trying
Speaker 2: to justify I was like, I guess when.
Speaker 3: You're a kid.
Speaker 2: You can be confused in your ex girlfriend who you
Speaker 2: love and you kiss her back, but then you see
Speaker 2: the woman you love and you're just like, I gotta
Speaker 2: throw myself into this so that I don't go down
Speaker 2: a trail that I don't want to go down. And
Speaker 2: like my brain was running through all the justifications of
Speaker 2: is this okay. It's not like it's not okay, but
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted it to be okay because I
Speaker 2: think there's so much chemistry between the two of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the emotions were just so real.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the Lucas stuff because we all were like,
Speaker 5: oh God, wrong thing to say, because he does the
Speaker 5: same thing to Lindsay that he does to Peyton. Remember
Speaker 5: with Payton, he was like, you don't think I can
Speaker 5: make it right. That's why you don't want to marry
Speaker 5: me because you didn't think I could do it, you know.
Speaker 4: And then with Lindsay, he's like.
Speaker 5: I was waiting until I knew I had a second
Speaker 5: book in me because I know you don't want to
Speaker 5: be married to just the small town basketball coach.
Speaker 4: Like there is a nerve there and not saying it's.
Speaker 5: A bad thing, but boyfriend has a soft spot and
Speaker 5: don't hit it.
Speaker 4: It's a bruise.
Speaker 6: Well, he has such intense imposter syndrome. Yeah, and you
Speaker 6: know so many artists do that. It has a name, right,
Speaker 6: like impossible is a term, is a thing? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: But I I wonder like, is that his sort of
Speaker 6: like I kind of want to roll my eyes at
Speaker 6: it and go okay? Is that the writer is being
Speaker 6: annoying being like, oh, the tortured artist, Matt, Matt, Like
Speaker 6: the best artists are actually, you know, people who go
Speaker 6: to therapy and deal with their But people think like,
Speaker 6: I've got to be this tortured artist. I've got to
Speaker 6: be this addict, I've got.
Speaker 3: To be a mess.
Speaker 6: And and part of me goes, is that writers romanticizing
Speaker 6: a tortured artist? Or is it what's striking me in
Speaker 6: this moment? Is it a really interesting thing for the
Speaker 6: brother who grew up on the quote unquote wrong side
Speaker 6: of the tracks, who who's you know, single mom struggled
Speaker 6: for his whole life is a fair interesting thing for
Speaker 6: Lucas as a character to have this suffering tortured artist
Speaker 6: persona because his brother, granted yes, suffered in an injury,
Speaker 6: has been dealing with this really terrible year. But like
Speaker 6: your brother's in the NBA and you're trying to write
Speaker 6: another book when your first book was about the girl
Speaker 6: that broke your heart. Like, I don't know, I'm having
Speaker 6: this like aha moment of Oh does it track for sure?
Speaker 5: I mean it's economic anxiety, absolutely tracks.
Speaker 4: Would you grow up a poor kid? Man?
Speaker 5: It? I get butt hurt about stuff like I hate fashion.
Speaker 5: I hate fashion because my whole life I got made
Speaker 5: fun of for wearing hand me down clothes and high waters.
Speaker 5: Oh those bitches at school made so much fun of
Speaker 5: me for in high water jeans because I would grow
Speaker 5: out of them so fast, And I just as an
Speaker 5: adult tense up about that shit. And so I can
Speaker 5: understand Lucas Scott being the kid who came from less
Speaker 5: being like don't you look at me? Like I'm not
Speaker 5: as much as everybody else, Like don't pity me, you
Speaker 5: know I am enough, and.
Speaker 2: Knowing he's gonna want to provide for a family and
Speaker 2: like not have Lindsay have to carry the financial burden
Speaker 2: the way that he saw his mom carry that burden.
Speaker 2: I think that's got to be a trigger point for
Speaker 2: him too, wanting to be able to also contribute to
Speaker 2: a household.
Speaker 5: Well, I do like Lucas and Lindsay together. In a
Speaker 5: world where Peyton Sawyer's back with Jake Jigelski, they would
Speaker 5: have lived happily ever after and like had beautiful little
Speaker 5: bookie babies and like they'd have been great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: They they really are good together.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh and Mikayla's just so fun. You know, she's a
Speaker 5: good actress, but she's also just fun on set. When
Speaker 5: Peyton knocks at the door, she's so happy, like she
Speaker 5: can't wait to show paint that ring she holds it up.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, in my notes, which are all like the
Speaker 6: quotes and the things so we can talk about them,
Speaker 6: just all in caps. And then Peyton, it's the one
Speaker 6: row of caps in my whole note section. Oh boy, dude,
Speaker 6: you you coming to apologize, oh my god, for what
Speaker 6: you did because he still loves you. And then her
Speaker 6: holding up a ring.
Speaker 3: I can't even look at you.
Speaker 6: I'm so uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: Well, and Lucas looks like such a hangdog.
Speaker 5: You know. If he was into what he was doing,
Speaker 5: he would do like what Nathan does and give like
Speaker 5: a really firm like like just smile at Peyton. And
Speaker 5: be like, hey, this is my life, Like, make eye contact,
Speaker 5: own it. Have a nonverbal connection there. Instead, he's just
Speaker 5: like dodging her and look at real shifty.
Speaker 2: He's just being a little boy, my guy, not ready
Speaker 2: to take responsibility for many things.
Speaker 5: Why didn't he just say it's the ring that Keith
Speaker 5: gave to Karen, like a, it's a family heirloom. It's
Speaker 5: not it's Keith's ring. Yeah, why didn't he say that?
Speaker 5: Because he's complicated it's not hard?
Speaker 6: Well why?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: There is also something about being twenty one.
Speaker 4: And it's how to get married so bad.
Speaker 6: It happens in the moment. Y'all are nodding, and I'm
Speaker 6: nodding because we all did it. Yeah, it happens in
Speaker 6: the moment, and you go, well, trains leaving the station,
Speaker 6: I better get on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You think you have so much time when you're young
Speaker 2: that you're like things will magically work themselves out. It's
Speaker 2: all gonna be fine.
Speaker 6: You also do this thing where you go, oh, if
Speaker 6: the scene from the movie is happening to me, it's happening,
Speaker 6: so it must be meaningful. We assign, oh, if it's happening,
Speaker 6: it's because it's supposed to rather, how do I feel
Speaker 6: about this? What do I want?
Speaker 5: Is this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Like you?
Speaker 6: It's very easy at twenty one to go, well, here
Speaker 6: we are, so I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the flow. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and that's the thing that we certainly didn't unlearn. So
Speaker 6: how did we expect our characters to unlearn it?
Speaker 4: Hailey figured it out.
Speaker 5: She's the only one asking questions and just being like,
Speaker 5: what is happening here?
Speaker 6: The thing that kills me and that Mike wrote so
Speaker 6: beautifully is that Haley's asking all these questions of her
Speaker 6: friends and doesn't know to ask questions in her own house.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh, it makes what's happening in her house all the
Speaker 6: more upsetting when it makes it insidious forget what you saw,
Speaker 6: let it go, when all these things because she's going, well,
Speaker 6: I'm good, it's like, yeah, it's what you just showed us. Hillary.
Speaker 6: It's like the person who doesn't see the guy in
Speaker 6: the window.
Speaker 4: Who is that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I like that Hailey wakes up like
Speaker 5: her and Nathan went to bed not so great, And
Speaker 5: I like that moment of like rolling over and just
Speaker 5: checking in with each other.
Speaker 2: It did make me wonder though, when he was saying
Speaker 2: it's not your place to tell Lindsey. What like, let's
Speaker 2: take a poll, what do you think do you think
Speaker 2: Haley should tell Lindsay No.
Speaker 5: I thought Haley did absolutely the right thing and go
Speaker 5: to Lucas and be like, yeah, you're gonna fix.
Speaker 4: This Lucas first. Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what I thought too.
Speaker 6: I agree you start there, but I'm throwing a yellow
Speaker 6: card on the soccer field ladies. I hate this thing
Speaker 6: of it's not your place, don't get involved. I disagree.
Speaker 3: What's your friend though?
Speaker 4: Well that's it.
Speaker 6: Everybody will do the thing where they say no, no,
Speaker 6: it's not your place, and then you know what happens
Speaker 6: is everyone in your life says, well, it's not my place,
Speaker 6: it's not my place. It's not my place.
Speaker 4: Place, is it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6: It's why a car accident can happen and forty people
Speaker 6: can be standing on the sidewalk going oh my god,
Speaker 6: oh my god, oh my god, and no one calls
Speaker 6: nine one one until one person points and says, you
Speaker 6: call nine one one.
Speaker 4: You do this.
Speaker 6: People need a directive. And I will say that I
Speaker 6: think this notion that you shouldn't get involved is not cool,
Speaker 6: because it's what allows people who are dishonest and shy
Speaker 6: to their partners to get away with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's I think if it were it
Speaker 5: was like JOHNK and Fergie and those guys like talking
Speaker 5: to Lucas saying, hy Man, that's not cool. He might
Speaker 5: brush that off, but Hey is his lifelong best friend
Speaker 5: and just cuts.
Speaker 4: Through the with a quickness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what. That's the whole reason you have friends.
Speaker 2: Like, sure, you're gonna people to like hang out with,
Speaker 2: but there's supposed to be people in your life that
Speaker 2: will call you on things and who're gonna step up
Speaker 2: and if you're in danger, they're gonna jump in for
Speaker 2: you and say like, hello, you're in danger. I gotta
Speaker 2: tell you something.
Speaker 6: And that's what you need is for people who say
Speaker 6: I love you enough to tell you that what you're
Speaker 6: doing is fucked.
Speaker 4: Wait are you calling Peyton danger because that sounds fun
Speaker 4: for me? In danger? You're in danger.
Speaker 6: Run you're in danger, baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought Haley, like I was hoping that she would
Speaker 2: go to Lucas first and not not go to Lindsay first,
Speaker 2: because that's her, that's her first priority in the friendship.
Speaker 2: That's just been a part of for a long time.
Speaker 2: But she doesn't even get a minute yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: after a minute, Like if Lucas really continued on down
Speaker 2: that road and never told Lindsay, I don't know what
Speaker 2: I would do if that was my friend. I think
Speaker 2: I'd probably be like, listen, I'm going to have to
Speaker 2: tell her because I'm friends with both of you, guys.
Speaker 2: I can't just like sit here, So you got to
Speaker 2: tell her or I'm going to have you ever had
Speaker 2: to do that with a friend, Like if you don't
Speaker 2: tell with a friends, like somebody you found out was cheating,
Speaker 2: If you don't tell her, I'm going to no.
Speaker 4: I mean no, But that's the move.
Speaker 2: Right, Like if you were put in that position, that's
Speaker 2: the move.
Speaker 3: It has to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, y'all listen.
Speaker 5: I'm a huge vander Pump Rules fan, and so I
Speaker 5: have had my fill of cheating this season. It's if
Speaker 5: you don't watch the show, it means nothing to you.
Speaker 5: But if you watch this terrible reality show, you're.
Speaker 4: Like, dh San Deval's the devil.
Speaker 5: Because he cheated on Arihanna And so I'm more worked
Speaker 5: up about these strangers.
Speaker 6: So what's wild? Is I don't watch it. But my
Speaker 6: friend Elizabeth, who has a phenomenal podcast, did a whole
Speaker 6: episode about this, and I was like, I'm watching your stuff,
Speaker 6: tell me what happened. So I had her tell me
Speaker 6: about it. And then because you and Jeff watch it.
Speaker 6: And I have two friends, like two of my best friends,
Speaker 6: one in LA and one and you two in New York,
Speaker 6: who are obsessed with this ship. So all the Instagram
Speaker 6: algorithms serves me as it started this. And so I
Speaker 6: have never seen this show, and I know more about
Speaker 6: these people, more about the exposed timeline, more about the
Speaker 6: fact that these people cheated behind the woman's back when she.
Speaker 4: Was at a funeral.
Speaker 6: I know all this, and I have never seen one
Speaker 6: episode of a Real Housewives or a vander Pump. I
Speaker 6: don't know if they're associated. I feel like she's on
Speaker 6: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Maybe I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 6: she is great. I know so much about this, against
Speaker 6: my will.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad we could give that to you. Oh,
Speaker 4: against my will.
Speaker 6: But now that I know, I'm invested, because here's the deal.
Speaker 5: It always gets exposed, right, it always gets exposed down
Speaker 5: the line. And what I learned from the Reunion special
Speaker 5: is that if you're on the side of keeping secrets
Speaker 5: for someone, you look like an apple on expose day,
Speaker 5: and so don't hide shit for your friends. Don't be
Speaker 5: an enabler. If something happens like once, like this Lucas
Speaker 5: Peyton thing in the office, Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 5: I even consider that cheating. To be perfectly honest, that
Speaker 5: is a trauma bond that has a lot of.
Speaker 6: Like you are a nicer person than I am.
Speaker 4: I'm also the bitch kissing him, So that's true.
Speaker 6: You're making an excuse for your character. I get that.
Speaker 6: I'm like, let me tell you what, if my partner
Speaker 6: made out with some I'd be like, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 6: have to kill her.
Speaker 4: We gotta fight.
Speaker 6: One of you has to die, like it's Gladiator times.
Speaker 6: Who pick.
Speaker 5: I know, it's super it's super easy. When it's fiction,
Speaker 5: it's really easy because we know these kids.
Speaker 4: We've watched him since they were little. They're just they're
Speaker 4: just sorting it out. But when it's strangers on a
Speaker 4: reality show, I'm like, he's gotta die.
Speaker 6: But that's also remember we talked about that a while back.
Speaker 6: How you can excuse and humanize and have empathy for
Speaker 6: bad behavior on behalf of people you know and love.
Speaker 6: Even if you have the characters you know in love
Speaker 6: with strangers, we're just ready to like light them on fire.
Speaker 5: Who's worse in this week's episode Nathan, who's hiding some
Speaker 5: from his wife. Oh boy, are Lucas and Peyton who
Speaker 5: are clearly headed down a dangerous path?
Speaker 6: Y'all?
Speaker 2: It's bad Nanny Carey being like, you have pain on
Speaker 2: your face, oh, on your nyelids.
Speaker 4: And we can see that it's not it's.
Speaker 2: Not just it's so right outside of his son's bedroom,
Speaker 2: where he could have just gotten up for a second
Speaker 2: and poked his head out in the hallway and been
Speaker 2: like I have to go to the bathroom or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's just it's amazing to me, amazing, And I really
Speaker 2: don't understand why Nathan seemed so confused. He just stood
Speaker 2: there looking really confused, And it's so not confusing to me.
Speaker 4: Did it make you mad to watch Joy?
Speaker 5: Ye? Obviously, I'm still in my patent body, like in
Speaker 5: your Hailey body.
Speaker 4: You're like, I'm gonna murder them?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Made me mad, Like stand up for your family, damn it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Push her down the stairs. Sure, push her away.
Speaker 3: And then put her in a taxi. Tell her to
Speaker 3: pack her bags and put her in a taxi. You
Speaker 3: need to leave tonight.
Speaker 6: Then the fact that you guys have that scene in
Speaker 6: the kitchen. Yeah, And what I thought they did well
Speaker 6: in the edit was when he looks for you, you're looking
Speaker 6: at something you're like in the fridge, and then you're
Speaker 6: doing something on the kitchen island, and it feels like
Speaker 6: a misconnection.
Speaker 2: But my god, like he was like waiting to tell
Speaker 2: me as soon as I came in. He was standing
Speaker 2: at the counter like, yes, I gotta figure out how
Speaker 2: to say this. I gotta figure how to say it.
Speaker 2: And then Haley says the one thing that gives him
Speaker 2: an out, some secrets are better left and said.
Speaker 5: I loved it when you guys were in bed and
Speaker 5: You're like, I saw Lucas kiss Clayton and he said.
Speaker 4: Oh, maybe it was just a friendly kid.
Speaker 5: And so when when Nanny Caries like doing the fake paint,
Speaker 5: and I'm like.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is just a friendly kid. Maybe.
Speaker 6: But it's also interesting that in that scene with you guys,
Speaker 6: he says it's not your place. He needs to be
Speaker 6: man enough to tell her, and then at the end
Speaker 6: of the when he's confronted with the opportunity to tell you,
Speaker 6: he can't because again, when you're in a situation, it's
Speaker 6: really hard to overcome your feelings and the conflict and
Speaker 6: the I don't want to ruin a good thing for
Speaker 6: my family, and she's having this time in her job
Speaker 6: and whatever it is. I'm also flattered by this could
Speaker 6: be the subconscious choice, But when we look at other people,
Speaker 6: we're just like, should be easy, say it, figure it out. Yeah, No,
Speaker 6: I think that's a really interesting thing that, again, to
Speaker 6: his credit, Mike Daniels as a writer, was able to
Speaker 6: weave the ease that we have for seeing the clear
Speaker 6: black and white of someone else's situation and then the
Speaker 6: minute that it's ours, it's so confusingly Gray, he did
Speaker 6: a really good job for everyone in this episode of
Speaker 6: giving them like real emotional turmoil.
Speaker 5: Well, I love Brooke Davis's emotional arc in this because
Speaker 5: it is kind of Morley Gray. She's everyone's great friend,
Speaker 5: like Brooke shows up for everyone, and the one little
Speaker 5: piece of candy she wants for herself is this owen thing,
Speaker 5: and he keeps pushing her on all of the superficiality
Speaker 5: that she's able to use as her armor.
Speaker 4: And it could go one of two ways.
Speaker 5: It could be gross and like super alpha male, like
Speaker 5: you're not in charge here, but the way it's crafted,
Speaker 5: it comes off like he actually does want to get
Speaker 5: to know this person, and he doesn't care about the
Speaker 5: clothes and he doesn't care about the cars.
Speaker 4: Did you like doing this arc with Joe? Oh?
Speaker 6: I loved it, especially because you know, we were five
Speaker 6: seasons into this show and there was this There was
Speaker 6: just this whole like idea that you know, TV was
Speaker 6: amazing and that everything was amazing, And in a way,
Speaker 6: I actually felt a real parallel between what Brooke and
Speaker 6: Owen were doing on screen and what Peyton did with Mollie,
Speaker 6: saying like, oh yeah, you read a story and you
Speaker 6: thought how romantic that he carried me out of the
Speaker 6: school shooting. I was trying not to bleed to death.
Speaker 6: The reality of a situation is not often how the
Speaker 6: story gets told. And what I loved about what the
Speaker 6: Brook and Owen storyline was is that Rooke Davis as
Speaker 6: a character was like, oh yeah, if I'm always going
Speaker 6: to be on display, I'm going to figure out how
Speaker 6: to use it because I can't admit that it makes
Speaker 6: me really uncomfortable. And it gave me this avenue to
Speaker 6: figure out, like where my gratitude for our job was,
Speaker 6: but also where the discomfort with this sort of like
Speaker 6: always being expected to be on was and in the
Speaker 6: stuff with Joe and I. Even though for me as
Speaker 6: Sophia there was conflict and confusion, I never felt permission
Speaker 6: to show that because the minute that you know you're
Speaker 6: on a quote unquote hit TV show and you say like,
Speaker 6: this is hard for me, people are like, sure, you
Speaker 6: are grateful, you know, but it was hard for all
Speaker 6: of us in a lot of ways. And I liked
Speaker 6: that my character leaned in and then had someone else saying,
Speaker 6: but that can't really be what makes you happy, right?
Speaker 6: I was like, whoa, this is?
Speaker 3: This is cool.
Speaker 2: I love seeing Brook use all of her all of
Speaker 2: her usual tricks and her cute flirtatious things in the
Speaker 2: backseat thing, you know, it's like all she keeps every
Speaker 2: time she comes toward him, it's with all these tricks
Speaker 2: or every time he tries to come get to know her,
Speaker 2: she busts them out and he's like, can we how
Speaker 2: do we weed out all this stuff. I actually really
Speaker 2: do want to get to know you. I think you're
Speaker 2: really worthwhile, but I'm having trouble getting past all of
Speaker 2: the things that you're throwing up to distract me from
Speaker 2: who you really are.
Speaker 6: And what I loved was that when he came to
Speaker 6: the store, oh, I was basically like, oh, you have
Speaker 6: a gimmick. I'm not gonna gimmick. And then she was like, oh,
Speaker 6: baby boy, you haven't seen my gimmicks.
Speaker 4: You want to see them.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you all.
Speaker 6: The gimmicks, and then when I break you, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: say no, no, you said no gimmicks bye.
Speaker 4: Like I loved.
Speaker 6: I loved the energy of that.
Speaker 3: But she didn't break him.
Speaker 4: Oh yes she did.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: He was totally playing.
Speaker 2: Her that like he was like, fine, yeah, you went okay,
Speaker 2: I'll give you exactly what you want and you're gonna
Speaker 2: be too too scared to actually go through with this.
Speaker 6: Oh see, I didn't feel that.
Speaker 3: I felt like that's so funny.
Speaker 6: In having done it, it was.
Speaker 3: It was very.
Speaker 6: Very much like I remember the night in the night
Speaker 6: in the car. It was like so visceral, especially because
Speaker 6: he she like makes a wise crack about his car
Speaker 6: and he gets all mad about it, which was.
Speaker 4: He does get macho.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he gets so mad, and the and the irony
Speaker 6: for me playing Brook, not that Owen would have known it,
Speaker 6: but was like, my best friend drove this comment, like,
Speaker 6: you guys basically drive the same car. I don't give
Speaker 6: a shit about your car.
Speaker 4: Owen and Peyton are a lot alike in a lot
Speaker 4: of ways.
Speaker 6: No, they really are, and it tracks for us. And
Speaker 6: and I just loved that that there was this moment,
Speaker 6: and I remember being in it that night and just
Speaker 6: being you know, Joe and I talking about it and
Speaker 6: him being like, it's kind of great that in every
Speaker 6: way that he pokes her, She's just like okay.
Speaker 7: Until until Brook loses her mind and she says, what
Speaker 7: is the comment about the fugly giantes?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, fugly giant test. Oh god.
Speaker 5: I loved fugly giant testugly giant so much, so much
Speaker 5: because that's Brooke Davis breaking breaking that. All right, fine,
Speaker 5: just whoever this troll is. I loved that because then
Speaker 5: she pulls it together. But then Stew's about it with Jamie,
Speaker 5: which is so cute. Oh.
Speaker 2: I loved that scene of you guys out there with
Speaker 2: the chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 3: It was so nice to see the town too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that scene for me with Jackson, like this
Speaker 6: whole season truly was like our season of being the
Speaker 6: best of friends, and like, you know, I babysat him
Speaker 6: all the time, like he was just such a sweet kid.
Speaker 6: It was like a really precious moment. And then you know,
Speaker 6: of course, like everybody grows up, like you know, he
Speaker 6: started playing like local sports with other kids. I became
Speaker 6: less cool, but this is the year. But I was
Speaker 6: like the cool big sister and we had the best time.
Speaker 6: And probably one of the like top five sense memory
Speaker 6: experiences that I have from the whole show is that
Speaker 6: scene in that blue satin tank top and Jackson with
Speaker 6: chocolate ice cream all over his face and little so
Speaker 6: happy and like we just had the best time. And
Speaker 6: I remember figuring out with him how that scene was
Speaker 6: going to go, and like little tricks to be like, hey,
Speaker 6: if you say it to me like this, remember that
Speaker 6: Joe said it like this, and and this little boy
Speaker 6: figuring out how to do like comedic callbacks, and yeah,
Speaker 6: oh it was so it was so so great.
Speaker 4: I love that What's under the Clothes Brooke Davis. I
Speaker 4: can't decide how I'm so lucky Peel about that line.
Speaker 3: I know that's how I felt.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I don't know if I love that.
Speaker 3: They made a five year old, six year old boy
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 2: I don't love it. I love it, but it was funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is real life. I guess it's real life, but.
Speaker 6: That he could see it like that. The whole point
Speaker 6: Owen's point was what's under the persona of the fashion designer?
Speaker 6: And then this boy saw it.
Speaker 4: Yes, he saw Brooks reaction to it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was only really at the end of the
Speaker 6: episode that you were like, Okay, she's gonna pull out
Speaker 6: like this high school trick and then oh my god.
Speaker 6: I mean it's like it's like a cold shower. She
Speaker 6: gives Owen just like okaybye.
Speaker 3: He was calling her bluff. I'm gonna go down. Swing
Speaker 3: it on that.
Speaker 7: I was disappointed. I really thought she was going down.
Speaker 7: It was like, if everyone else is miserable.
Speaker 3: At least we should get some little love.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: She was such a good friend to Peyton, like she's
Speaker 7: been helping everybody out. She baby sat all day, like
Speaker 7: let the girl hook up with the cute bartender.
Speaker 3: It'll happen delayed gratification, I will.
Speaker 6: Say, because you just said, you know the way that
Speaker 6: she shows up for Peyton. I that's one of those
Speaker 6: other things that I have a visceral sense memory of
Speaker 6: is that scene with us, and I remember getting into it.
Speaker 6: I remember, you know, all the stuff we had to
Speaker 6: do to set up the fireplace because like for our
Speaker 6: friends at home, these weren't real houses. That wasn't a
Speaker 6: real fireplace. It's like a you have a fire seat
Speaker 6: on set.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a long tube, a big like can of
Speaker 5: gas and a guy with a big mustache, usually with
Speaker 5: a cigarette dangling out of his mouth exactly.
Speaker 6: And like, oh, that scene was so.
Speaker 3: Special.
Speaker 6: And I remember when we were shooting it, you know,
Speaker 6: because the house was built on a sound stage, so
Speaker 6: I was coming in from you know, outside, but there
Speaker 6: was no outside, there was no there there and opening
Speaker 6: that door and coming in and.
Speaker 1: You were just.
Speaker 4: You were like a raw nerve.
Speaker 6: And it was beautiful and it made me I was
Speaker 6: like instantly back there with you, and it made me
Speaker 6: want to cry, like cause you just were so present
Speaker 6: in this. I cannot believe I thought this was my
Speaker 6: story and now I'm here and he's engaged to someone else,
Speaker 6: and it was like, oh my god, it was so beautiful.
Speaker 6: And then we burned the book.
Speaker 2: Come on, I'm all burn But Hillary, you cried like
Speaker 2: six different ways in this episode. Somehow you managed to
Speaker 2: pull out a new emotion every time.
Speaker 5: You guys know, That's why I'm such a goober now,
Speaker 5: is because I'm never gonna cry again. I loved that scene.
Speaker 5: I loved it so much. I loved it when we
Speaker 5: did it. I love it fifteen years later. I remember
Speaker 5: it so so well, and I think it stands out
Speaker 5: to me so much because I don't let people touch me.
Speaker 5: I don't like people touching me, and I can do
Speaker 5: it because I know how to be a people pleaser.
Speaker 5: But people in my life don't touch me. And Brooke
Speaker 5: and Peyton are so physically connected with one another. It's
Speaker 5: a thing that I love because it makes it so singular,
Speaker 5: like Peyton and I are the same that way.
Speaker 4: The scene of Peyton at.
Speaker 5: Her mother's grave all by yourself, or sitting on the
Speaker 5: pool table by yourself, that's most like me. But when
Speaker 5: you have that special thing where it's like, oh, there's
Speaker 5: that one person that's allowed to touch you. My girlfriend's
Speaker 5: share a game. Is that person here where I live,
Speaker 5: where she doesn't care.
Speaker 4: That I don't like to be touched. She pulls me
Speaker 4: into her big bosom and she's like, get in here.
Speaker 5: So it's I can feel Peyton's reluctance to connect.
Speaker 4: With a lot of people that way, but that she's
Speaker 4: just got that one mothering person. It's so important.
Speaker 6: It's really interesting that you say that because the thing
Speaker 6: that struck me and you know, we talked about it
Speaker 6: a little bit in our podcast world at the end
Speaker 6: of season four that in that finale episode, that house party,
Speaker 6: we had a real like holy experience together you and
Speaker 6: I and I remember how everything felt different going into
Speaker 6: season five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it was locked and.
Speaker 6: It was like, oh my god, the like the cellular
Speaker 6: memory I have watching Brook and Peyton b roommates and
Speaker 6: knowing how that felt for you and me because it
Speaker 6: felt the closest to our initial like falling in love
Speaker 6: with each other at level five like season one friendship again.
Speaker 4: Well, essentially it's what we were redoing, you guys.
Speaker 5: We got to come back after this five year gap
Speaker 5: and redo what we had done season one behind the scenes,
Speaker 5: like it's so meta and weird.
Speaker 6: No, it's so weird, and like watching that moment and
Speaker 6: we sit and we put the book in the fire
Speaker 6: and like I wrap you up and you put your
Speaker 6: head on my shoulder and I remember it and just
Speaker 6: being like I'm gonna hug you and I'm with you.
Speaker 6: You don't like to be touched, and I touch you
Speaker 6: all the time. I don't care.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think those people in your life are so important,
Speaker 7: because if it was to me, I would just.
Speaker 4: Be like, oh god, I don't know what to do
Speaker 4: with my body, like I need someone else to initiate.
Speaker 6: But there's something so special about that. And I even
Speaker 6: think about like when we all did that, that that
Speaker 6: prompt thing.
Speaker 4: What was it at?
Speaker 6: Where were we wash it? When we did our first
Speaker 6: our first like big live thing together. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 6: we just like stood and hugged like it. There really
Speaker 6: is something about the people who've been in it with you.
Speaker 6: You can wrap you up when you need it and
Speaker 6: when you don't want it, when you actually need it,
Speaker 6: like yeah, And I could feel all of that in
Speaker 6: this episode, like I could see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone reaching for each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like people needing to be together.
Speaker 5: Joy. It makes me feel bad that your character is
Speaker 5: like isolated in a way, like you're at odds with
Speaker 5: everyone or you're just like too busy to hang out
Speaker 5: with Brooke.
Speaker 4: Was it not fun?
Speaker 5: I don't want to be dismissive of like what you
Speaker 5: were experiencing in that moment that we got to do
Speaker 5: all this like feel good.
Speaker 3: No, it's great. I love that for you guys.
Speaker 2: I mean it's an iconic thing about this show that
Speaker 2: made people fall in love with it, and I mean
Speaker 2: that friendship is reflected all over in Girls Everywhere.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I think they didn't quite know what to do with me,
Speaker 2: and I think we've talked about that before, where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well now she's married, she has kid, she's a teacher,
Speaker 2: she's basically like a mom, now, so what do we
Speaker 2: do with her?
Speaker 4: Did you ever.
Speaker 6: Feel like some of that also came from the fact
Speaker 6: that Nathan and Haley were always so popular that like
Speaker 6: the fans were like more Nale, more Nally, more Nay,
Speaker 6: and so in a way they kind of were like, well,
Speaker 6: we just got to give them more. Where are this
Speaker 6: and the rest of.
Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, they just wrote us into a corner. Well
Speaker 2: kind of and like By the way, I love watching
Speaker 2: Nathan and Haley. I love I love to the point
Speaker 2: of what we talked about earlier, the way they're like
Speaker 2: the missed connections in this whole Nanny Carey storyline. They're
Speaker 2: so authentic, they're so important. But I do feel like,
Speaker 2: in a.
Speaker 6: Way, because Nathan and Haley got married really young, Haley
Speaker 6: became so much like yeah, so much of the adult yeah,
Speaker 6: and like while the rest of us were still kind
Speaker 6: of doing dumb kids, you didn't get to do as
Speaker 6: much of it because your character was the wife mom.
Speaker 3: The mature one had to be mature. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And after Nathan what he had been through with his accident,
Speaker 2: and I think Hailey also, well, I don't think Nathan
Speaker 2: and Haley spent much time just like b and bff
Speaker 2: and getting to you know, it was always very romantic,
Speaker 2: and then struggling through her tour and then struggling through
Speaker 2: his basketball and the college, and there was just always
Speaker 2: so many things that were coming at her, at them.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, maybe that's what this next season
Speaker 2: is for what's coming up.
Speaker 3: Not sure.
Speaker 4: Y'all just need to lay in bed and watch vander
Speaker 4: Pump Rules.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: We just need to like, I want to see them
Speaker 3: be buddies.
Speaker 6: I do take a lesson from the Morgan household and
Speaker 6: just watch reality.
Speaker 4: I want to see them be easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, me too so, but that's not gonna
Speaker 2: happen a day soon.
Speaker 6: And when they are easy in a way, Haley in particular,
Speaker 6: because Nathan still got to kind of be one of
Speaker 6: the boys and a brother and whatever. And there were
Speaker 6: moments that the three of us got, especially at the
Speaker 6: start of the season when Nathan and Haley were in
Speaker 6: a rough patch. Yeah, girls got to be girls. But
Speaker 6: it does feel a little bit like the right missed
Speaker 6: the opportunity for Haley's continued girlhood, maybe because they were
Speaker 6: just so many dudes that they were like, well, the
Speaker 6: dudes are playing basketball, but like she's off being a mom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does what do moms do? What does my
Speaker 3: mom do?
Speaker 4: What do moms do?
Speaker 6: Moms make sandwiches?
Speaker 2: Like what, it's so weird, you know, And that's what
Speaker 2: they think, I guess.
Speaker 6: But Haley got a lot of like where we got
Speaker 6: to be roommates. Her Brook and Peyton got to have
Speaker 6: this sort of second adolescence because Haley had a family,
Speaker 6: she got the producing and then in the later seasons,
Speaker 6: like you know, Hill, when you left, like Haley got
Speaker 6: a sister, like Quinn came into the mix and right,
Speaker 6: But Haley's world has really always revolved around family, and
Speaker 6: I wonder if subconsciously that came from, you know, her
Speaker 6: becoming the youngest wife and mom. I don't know, I've
Speaker 6: never really thought about it this way before, but now
Speaker 6: my brain is spinning.
Speaker 3: I have any hear.
Speaker 7: All the girls I know that had babies in high
Speaker 7: school are like the spiciest most stonishes.
Speaker 5: Like like, for sure Haley could have been spicy.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot they could have done. It's not
Speaker 2: like I was lacking in personality.
Speaker 3: But I think I.
Speaker 2: Also, you know, as we know, he liked to Our
Speaker 2: boss liked to mirror what was going on in real life.
Speaker 2: And I've certainly in a personal place in my life
Speaker 2: where I felt isolated from everything and everyone, and so
Speaker 2: maybe kind of subconsciously I was bringing that to work
Speaker 2: as well, and maybe I was contributing to creating that
Speaker 2: in some subconscious way.
Speaker 6: I mean, who knows. But our boss was also deeply
Speaker 6: reductive and only knew how to write women in certain ways,
Speaker 6: like he wrote the character of Alice to be liked
Speaker 6: this predatory boss and then oh, she's fired, and guess what,
Speaker 6: Alice has slept with every single one of her employees,
Speaker 6: every guy at work, any woman, Like, oh, come.
Speaker 4: On the but dump bump of that was so flat.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, man, yeah, yeah, she couldn't just
Speaker 5: be like a like a boss lady.
Speaker 4: She had to be a hole of course.
Speaker 5: Ugh.
Speaker 6: And it was Rick with the two pet and then
Speaker 6: it was Mouth's friend who was bald, and then it
Speaker 6: was Mouth also who was the nerdy guy, and then
Speaker 6: it was also so and so like.
Speaker 2: Oh and maybe for Millie standing up for herself, because
Speaker 2: as much as I can't wait to see them find
Speaker 2: their way, the fact that he comes to her and
Speaker 2: not that she would even know this, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: she could sense it. He comes to her on a rebound.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know he was thinking about her and
Speaker 2: he was quitting and he but it was like to me,
Speaker 2: it came across like he was reaching for her, as
Speaker 2: like maybe something good will come of this choice that
Speaker 2: I've made, Like, see, I made a good choice, will
Speaker 2: you reward me for it? And it's like, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not youre in reward for making the right choice. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be the thing that makes you feel
Speaker 2: better about they stuff that just happened.
Speaker 5: I super didn't like that mouth went to Milly and said,
Speaker 5: I'm not that kind of guy. I'm not that guy.
Speaker 5: Hold on, I wrote it down. It maybe yeah, he
Speaker 5: wrote I'm not that guy. But we saw what he
Speaker 5: did with Shelley. We saw how like creepy he was
Speaker 5: with Rachel half the time, like malth has been that guy.
Speaker 5: And I had a conversation with my son driving to
Speaker 5: school the other day.
Speaker 4: I was just like, all right, you never tell people
Speaker 4: what you are.
Speaker 5: Don't say that you're a jock, don't say that you're
Speaker 5: an artist, don't say what you are. Just do the thing.
Speaker 5: Let other people decide what you are. Don't talk about it,
Speaker 5: be about it and mouth. Anytime someone says I'm a
Speaker 5: good guy, that is a red flag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime anyone has to say.
Speaker 4: I'm the good guy, I'm yeah, I'm a good person.
Speaker 3: I'm the good guy.
Speaker 6: What I liked, though, is that she made a decision
Speaker 6: about how she felt, and then he said, yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: not living up to the person I think I am.
Speaker 4: Well you have the opportunity to grow for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 6: It is that he he got to be a kid
Speaker 6: who was like, well, I've been caught up in a
Speaker 6: thing and I'm not proud of it. Let me be
Speaker 6: the person someone might be proud of. And I loved
Speaker 6: that when he realized he was being on a gross
Speaker 6: saying no, no, I'm not this, I'm not this. Then
Speaker 6: he said, you know what, let me give you a chance,
Speaker 6: or let me ask you to give me a chance.
Speaker 6: Let me show you who I am. And then suddenly
Speaker 6: it felt like we got our friend back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: He was like, let me take you to see this
Speaker 6: thing that's important to me. And then the big surprise is,
Speaker 6: I can see any sporting event in the world. Here's
Speaker 6: this ballet. Tell me about why you love this. I
Speaker 6: was like, oh god, my Daniels, that is good writing good,
Speaker 6: romantic good.
Speaker 5: We're all products of our environment, you know, And when
Speaker 5: you're a kid, you don't get to choose your environment.
Speaker 5: But then you hit the stage that our characters are
Speaker 5: at and you do get to pick your environment. And
Speaker 5: Mouth had been in one that was toxic and making
Speaker 5: him toxic and awful, and so he's choosing a new environment,
Speaker 5: and Millie is just a an oasis.
Speaker 6: Well, and by the way, Peyton does this the same thing,
Speaker 6: however difficult it might be. At the end of the episode,
Speaker 6: when she walks into that gym and says, I'm just
Speaker 6: gonna pretend like I watched this girl who lives through us,
Speaker 6: and you know what I'm gonna do is as hard
Speaker 6: as it is for me. I'm gonna choose to be
Speaker 6: a person who's happy for you.
Speaker 2: And that speech is my favorite moment in the whole episode.
Speaker 2: I loved us so beautifully done well.
Speaker 6: It was gorgeous, like Hillary, this episode for you.
Speaker 2: Was so good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I loved seeing this group of friends in
Speaker 6: many ways, through what said and unsaid, through what Haley
Speaker 6: says to Lucas and challenges him, the advice she gets
Speaker 6: from Nathan, some of what she hides and some of
Speaker 6: what she calls out, some of what you know Brooke
Speaker 6: is asking for versus holding close to the best, what
Speaker 6: Peyton is admitting and then trying to teach from like
Speaker 6: everyone is really, really in it, and it all gets
Speaker 6: encapsulated in that moment of I don't know what the
Speaker 6: answer is, but what I'm gonna do is show up
Speaker 6: for you and your happiness, even if it's hard for me.
Speaker 6: Like everyone's just trying to figure out how to find
Speaker 6: it and how to witness it for other people. And
Speaker 6: I really did feel like Peyton, in a way for
Speaker 6: all of our characters, became this guide post in this episode.
Speaker 6: And maybe it's because you do so much voiceover and
Speaker 6: you read from Lucas's book, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I felt like all of us, against those passages, were
Speaker 6: just like trying to find it, and it really made
Speaker 6: for this like cool arc that when you see that
Speaker 6: moment in the gym, you go, like everybody's doing the
Speaker 6: best they can and kind of failing by the way,
Speaker 6: Like everybody's really in a precarious position, but we're trying,
Speaker 6: and some people are succeeding, you know, better than others.
Speaker 6: Mouth is doing something right by the end, and Haley
Speaker 6: and Nathan are conflicted, and Peyton's crying, and Lucas is
Speaker 6: engaged and Broke doesn't have sex with Owen but like
Speaker 6: she's no that that.
Speaker 4: Thing that Mike wrote.
Speaker 5: It really resonated with me watching it all these years later,
Speaker 5: because when we lived in Wilmington, like I was hanging
Speaker 5: out with bands.
Speaker 4: I was obsessed.
Speaker 5: There's this book called The Secret Lives of the Muses,
Speaker 5: and it was about all these women who had inspired
Speaker 5: great men.
Speaker 4: And at the time, there was no cooler thing I.
Speaker 5: Can think of than like be in a muse, right,
Speaker 5: Like that was just such like a sexy idea. And
Speaker 5: now that I'm an old, gray haired woman and I
Speaker 5: write books, I'm like that.
Speaker 4: Why would I ever muse? Like that's crazy. You have
Speaker 4: to be your own muse.
Speaker 5: And my favorite poet and a Saint, Vincent Malay, would
Speaker 5: do that. She would write love poetry about herself about
Speaker 5: like if I were.
Speaker 4: A man, this is what I'd say about me. I'm
Speaker 4: fantastic boss.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: It's so sexy and cool.
Speaker 5: And so I loved that monologue about you can write
Speaker 5: about yourself. You don't have to live and hope that
Speaker 5: someone else writes about you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's the right thing Peyton does with Lucas too.
Speaker 2: I think going in and saying I'll do it, I'll
Speaker 2: let you go because I love you and I care
Speaker 2: about you, and definately like letting you go on your way.
Speaker 2: That releases her too, and that is self care that
Speaker 2: is her loving herself and trusting that there's something better
Speaker 2: coming along the way.
Speaker 5: The only thing that's a little iffy, there's one iffy part.
Speaker 5: So like that leaf falls in the cemetery scene and
Speaker 5: like lands on Keith Scott's grave, and you know it's
Speaker 5: a sign from her mom like be like Keith.
Speaker 4: Right, we should all be more like Keith. But in Peyton, like.
Speaker 5: Bringing that up to Lucas, it feels Scooch manipulative and
Speaker 5: being like, hey, I'm the Keith to your Karen, so
Speaker 5: you just do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4: But I know you're gonna come back to me. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's manipulative.
Speaker 4: It's honest.
Speaker 5: That's what she thinks. That's like how she sees it.
Speaker 5: That's what she wants to be. It's a very like
Speaker 5: good thing to try to live up to. But she
Speaker 5: could have not said uncle Keith, which is definitely like
Speaker 5: a trick, like she could have get that part to herself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's a deep cut. It's true, but it's
Speaker 6: a deep cut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she could have not said it.
Speaker 4: You're right, you better come back to me before I die.
Speaker 4: Oh god, that's terrible. I know it's terrible, but y'all,
Speaker 4: kids are twenty one. Twenty two year.
Speaker 5: Old kids are terrible, so we all have permission to
Speaker 5: just be nightmare pass. I mean, now that I've pointed
Speaker 5: it out, you can't undersee it. Now you're like, are
Speaker 5: you ruined it?
Speaker 2: Ma'am? Oh, okay you At the end though, on the
Speaker 2: pool table, I loved that choice.
Speaker 3: Was that you was that Paul?
Speaker 4: Did you walk in to believe Paul set up?
Speaker 2: I mean, I just thought everybody would always have you
Speaker 2: just at your desk drawing, and it was so cool
Speaker 2: to see something different.
Speaker 4: Not Paul.
Speaker 5: What's great about Paul, We've said it a million times,
Speaker 5: is that he already knew all the tricks, you know,
Speaker 5: he knew all the easy blocking, all the easy and
Speaker 5: so Paul was just always up for a curve ball.
Speaker 4: And that set was so fun.
Speaker 5: God, you guys, I loved when we would all be
Speaker 5: on that set together.
Speaker 4: It was just just yeah, a really easy, fun, sexy set.
Speaker 4: You could go hide in a corner somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, why don't we have an office now with pool table?
Speaker 3: Sounds good to me?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 5: All right? The episode ended with Lucas saying, why don't
Speaker 5: we get married right away? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes, that feels like a red flag to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Lindsay's gonna call him on it, surely right.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: She's really excited.
Speaker 2: She's been wanting this for a while and she finally
Speaker 2: got what she wanted. But she's so smart.
Speaker 3: I don't know. As I recall, he's gonna leave her
Speaker 3: at the altar. Isn't that what happens? No, baby, she
Speaker 3: leaves him, He leaves him, She leaves him at the altar? Yes,
Speaker 3: or that she leaves.
Speaker 4: Him, Oh my god. I mean, we don't want to
Speaker 4: ruin it for anyone, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can put in spoiler alert if you want.
Speaker 5: If you don't know, it's been on television for like
Speaker 5: decades at this point.
Speaker 4: They don't know.
Speaker 2: That's like, humphrevok our Nigmund Bergmann don't end up together.
Speaker 3: Sorry, guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we clearly have not seen it, though we have
Speaker 6: some memories. If they haven't seen it, I don't know
Speaker 6: what else to say.
Speaker 5: It's crazy how much I remember filming this season, like,
Speaker 5: I remember every part.
Speaker 4: I remember the wedding, We had fun, we were being
Speaker 4: in those pews fine.
Speaker 6: Us sitting in those pews was so fun, and the
Speaker 6: misdirects that come at the wedding were so fun. I
Speaker 6: will say you get some foreshadowing of that, like maybe
Speaker 6: this is my honorable mention. I don't know, but skills
Speaker 6: showing up to toast Luke on his engagement and being
Speaker 6: like who is it?
Speaker 3: Who is it?
Speaker 4: Which one lindsay could be Brooke At this point.
Speaker 6: That comedy was so good strong.
Speaker 4: What else did we miss? What did we miss anything?
Speaker 3: That's Jamie calling Nanny Carey mom. I was just gonna
Speaker 3: say it, Jamie, I'm sorry to step on your No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just looking at the same part in our notes,
Speaker 6: which feels sparkly because that was so mama. Uh, I
Speaker 6: mean Nanny Carey. That was a knife in my gut.
Speaker 6: I can't know you felt, because I didn't even play
Speaker 6: his mom and I was upset about it.
Speaker 2: My first reaction was, that's not realistic. No kid's gonna
Speaker 2: mistake than nanny for his mother. But I have to say,
Speaker 2: especially when Maria was younger, you know, because her and
Speaker 2: I don't live together, so she if she's been with
Speaker 2: him for like three weeks at a time, which that's
Speaker 2: sometimes the schedule is like that when she comes back,
Speaker 2: you know, within the same day, we'll be I'll pick
Speaker 2: her up in the airport, or even the day the
Speaker 2: next day and she'll say she'll have something. She'd be like, oh, Papa,
Speaker 2: I mean mom, you know, because she's just been so
Speaker 2: used to having it come out of her mouth all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's totally realistic.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and it's not malicious, it's you know, it's
Speaker 5: just you're the person helping me. That is what I'm
Speaker 5: used to saying when I'm asking for help.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And what I loved is that, Yeah, that's an
Speaker 6: innocent mix up on the part of a little boy.
Speaker 6: And then that she is the adult takes it so
Speaker 6: far as to say, sometimes I pretend you're my kid
Speaker 6: as this like little bonding aside. While by the way,
Speaker 6: genius point that Ike wrote for Carrie to come into
Speaker 6: Close Over bros And Shop with Millicent being like, yeah,
Speaker 6: what was that like? And I need to and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: you want to go on a date like this top
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and it's full single white female.
Speaker 4: It's so it is so so so.
Speaker 3: Watch that movie again, oh right.
Speaker 6: Because in a way to see Carrie in the background
Speaker 6: of a scene that's about to begin, you just go like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, she's everywhere.
Speaker 3: And then she's in the.
Speaker 6: Closeover bros top and Haley calls and says, You're like, well,
Speaker 6: do I need to come home for dinner? And she's like, no,
Speaker 6: they're not here. And then the upstairs Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 6: every single scene gave me the creeps in the best way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which she turns out boys, dinner, Dinner's ready.
Speaker 3: Oh the way it's on one.
Speaker 6: Oh boy.
Speaker 4: We told you not to hire the hot nanny.
Speaker 3: We everybody was right, you were all right?
Speaker 6: Sure did all right?
Speaker 4: Do we have any fan questions?
Speaker 5: We do?
Speaker 2: I just saw one Carla. She's asking where did y'all
Speaker 2: film the outdoor scenes at the high school? And she's
Speaker 2: assuming any inside school scenes were on a set, which
Speaker 2: is correct. Yeah, the outdoor scenes were at It was
Speaker 2: UNCW Community College.
Speaker 3: Came Fair Community College. Wait, wasn't it UNCW?
Speaker 1: Where do we go?
Speaker 3: UNCW? Was it basketball games there?
Speaker 4: Basketball games were Laney, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Burgaw.
Speaker 4: U n CW. We did some like big like Ernest
Speaker 4: Widella and I did some like military stuff there.
Speaker 5: Oh. Look, we definitely shot stuff there outside to use
Speaker 5: that campus, but we were downtown at Cape Fear Community College.
Speaker 3: I remember the campus.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Cape Fear Downtown was like our biggest because that's where
Speaker 6: the quad was.
Speaker 3: M hm, that's where we were Cape Fear Community College.
Speaker 5: Any bogie that just like happened to walk through a shot, thankfully,
Speaker 5: would just look like an extra. Like it really was
Speaker 5: the perfect set for us because we would have more
Speaker 5: extras just because people were walking to class.
Speaker 3: Did people design waivers if they were walking.
Speaker 6: Through because they put up those big signs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: I could say, if you walk through this area, you
Speaker 6: consent to being on film. Yeah, which feels a little shady,
Speaker 6: but it's how they would do it.
Speaker 4: I loved those days.
Speaker 3: It's been a wheel, I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeahs, this was a good episode. It was a really
Speaker 4: good episode. You guys, Okay, I hope.
Speaker 6: I've made any sense on this podcast post show.
Speaker 4: It's like one o'clock in the morning for you, it is,
Speaker 4: but it's great.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: This is great. Guys.
Speaker 6: Who's most likely to wait hours in the queue for
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift tickets?
Speaker 4: What is in the queue? What does that mean?
Speaker 3: In line? Standing in line?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Like Brooke Davis is not gonna wait never.
Speaker 3: I don't even think. Maybe Millie would, but she also
Speaker 3: seems a little too practical for that.
Speaker 6: I think Brook Davis would be the one who denied
Speaker 6: waiting hours.
Speaker 4: But would you think or wouldn't she just send someone
Speaker 4: else to wait for her?
Speaker 6: M I don't know that she would trust someone else?
Speaker 3: Is it skills?
Speaker 4: Kills?
Speaker 2: The skills who got notebooked? It's that skills. It's the
Speaker 2: skills in love.
Speaker 5: I mean, his favorite singer in real life is Phil Collins,
Speaker 5: and one revolves Phil.
Speaker 4: He loves just like a power ballad man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so hey, maybe he's our boy.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, he would do it. Wait did anybody in
Speaker 5: our group go see the Taylor Swift? No?
Speaker 6: I was deeply actively trying, and then I had to
Speaker 6: move to London, so no, I had to give up
Speaker 6: some tickets. I'm still upset about it.
Speaker 5: Dude, Jeff and I just saw Sisters of Mercy, which
Speaker 5: is a very different kind of performance.
Speaker 4: If you're into like.
Speaker 5: Goth metal from the late eighties early nineties, it is
Speaker 5: the antithesis of Sweet Taylor.
Speaker 4: Barbara. Oh, Barbara would do it with her girls in
Speaker 4: real life. Yeah, that's the right answer. She would. She
Speaker 4: would stand out there all day to make sure her
Speaker 4: and those girls got in.
Speaker 2: Yep, and she'd make friends with everybody in line, and
Speaker 2: she would probably buy food for everyone.
Speaker 3: She would have snags.
Speaker 6: They'd be like doing TikTok dances to Taylor Swift song.
Speaker 3: She would teach the whole crowd.
Speaker 4: Yes, that is the perfect answer.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks everybody. I love it.
Speaker 4: What's next week?
Speaker 6: Season five, episode nine for tonight You're only here to know?
Speaker 3: Hmm oh boy, summer run buckle up? All right, bye, Hey,
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