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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily A body here coming to you from

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Speaker 2: the Age Studio. You are listening to episode one ninety

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Speaker 3: Today I am chatting with Chrissy King.

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Speaker 2: She's a writer, speaker, and educator with the passions of

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's why journaling is just so important

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Speaker 2: can really be detrimental absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And it's so you're right, like, it's so important to

440
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Speaker 1: like write down how you're actually feeling in that moment,

441
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Speaker 1: because I've went back and read old journals, and I've

442
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: read old journaltries that made me cry. I was like,

443
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Speaker 1: oh my god, that was so sad that that's what

444
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Speaker 1: I was feeling at that time, And so it is

445
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,679
Speaker 1: important to remember how we're really feeling and how we

446
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Speaker 1: want to feel in our lives going forward. And one

447
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: thing I always recognize about body image is that being

448
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 1: in a smaller body did not make me feel like

449
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Speaker 1: I was living a fully nourished present life. I felt

450
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Speaker 1: like I was missing out and experiences because I was

451
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Speaker 1: always stressed about what I looked like or what other

452
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Speaker 1: people were thinking about my body. I wasn't really enjoying

453
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Speaker 1: those moments. And I just always remind myself and other

454
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Speaker 1: people that life is super short. At the end of

455
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Speaker 1: our lives, the thing that people are going to say

456
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: about us or is not like, oh, remember the summer

457
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Speaker 1: of two thousand, you have those best apps and the

458
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Speaker 1: best body, Like, people are going to remember the experiences

459
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Speaker 1: we had together, the times we laughed, the memories that

460
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Speaker 1: we cherished, and that's what really is important in life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, so profound.

462
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Speaker 2: So for you as you start to maybe get more

463
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Speaker 2: comfortable with your body and shift some of the stories

464
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Speaker 2: and the way that you have been behaving, what else

465
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Speaker 2: starts to happen for you during this time?

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

467
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Speaker 1: So I had already started coaching and training on the

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Speaker 1: side while I was already working at my job, and

469
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Speaker 1: so like, actually, like a little bit, probably a year

470
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Speaker 1: or two after, I was really like in a much

471
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Speaker 1: better place with my body and feeling much better. I

472
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Speaker 1: quit my job, my corporate job, to do my like

473
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Speaker 1: side hustle full time, and again at that time, it

474
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Speaker 1: was very much focused on training clients and strength training,

475
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Speaker 1: which you know, I love and I still do love.

476
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Speaker 1: But the thing that I always wanted to do when

477
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Speaker 1: I was a kid, as I always said, I was

478
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Speaker 1: going to be a writer. And I told you, I

479
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of my time as a child like

480
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Speaker 1: reading books and writing. And so when I was working

481
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Speaker 1: on my business, I'd hired this business coach. It was

482
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Speaker 1: helping me, like with my online business, and I was

483
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Speaker 1: training in person. And one thing that my coach always

484
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Speaker 1: said is like, you need to have a blog. And

485
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: I was like, well, cool, I don't really have anything

486
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: to write about, but I'm gonna write. And so I

487
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: started writing again on my own personal blog. And at

488
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Speaker 1: first I was just writing about things that felt very

489
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Speaker 1: like the things you should talk about in fitness, you know,

490
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Speaker 1: like cool workouts and like all these type of things.

491
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Speaker 1: But I had this blog that I had written, and

492
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Speaker 1: I was really scared to post about it because it

493
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Speaker 1: seemed very controversial at the times. It was probably back

494
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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen and my coach or twenty seventeen, probably

495
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Speaker 1: my coach was like, you need to post that blog.

496
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Speaker 1: And so the blog was entitled It's Fitness Only for

497
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Speaker 1: thin white women, and it was talking about the lack

498
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Speaker 1: of diversity, inclusion and fitness, which now is a conversation

499
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Speaker 1: that happens all the time, but like in twenty sixteen,

500
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, that really was not the conversation happening. And

501
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Speaker 1: so I remember being so terrified to write this article

502
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Speaker 1: posted on my own blog, I should say, And to

503
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Speaker 1: be clear, there was like not very many people reading

504
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Speaker 1: my stories, so it wasn't like it was like this huge,

505
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: you know thing. But anyways, I remember posting it, and

506
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: I posted it at a day where I couldn't be

507
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: on my computer for a while, or I just think

508
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: I was traveling, and so I was like, I'm going

509
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Speaker 1: to post it. I'm gonna be scared, I'm gonna run away.

510
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Speaker 1: And then I remember four hours later, I went back

511
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Speaker 1: to the internet and it was like it was the

512
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Speaker 1: first time people were actually like reading my blog and

513
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: sharing it, like people were sharing it all over the internet.

514
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, people read this and

515
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Speaker 1: they don't hate me and they're sharing it. And so

516
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Speaker 1: it was a really important moment for me because it

517
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Speaker 1: was really a reminder that, like, I don't need to

518
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Speaker 1: be scared to say things that are unpopular. I need

519
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Speaker 1: to say the things that really are what I want

520
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: to talk about instead of trying to say the things

521
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Speaker 1: I think I should say. And then, interestingly enough, after

522
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Speaker 1: writing that article, it was the first time that I actually, like, uh,

523
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: some mainstream publications reach out to me to start writing

524
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Speaker 1: for them, and so that's how I kind of got

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00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: into writing. And now my career is like ninety percent writing.

526
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Speaker 1: But that's how it all started from just writing the

527
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: blog and posting that scary thing, and that really transitioned

528
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Speaker 1: the trajector in my career as well. So it's always

529
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Speaker 1: like one thing, I feel like, I do a hard thing,

530
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I do that hard thing and

531
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Speaker 1: I survived. I can do another hard thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel that. I feel that.

533
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Speaker 2: So firstly, tell us about a little bit more about

534
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Speaker 2: the blog itself that you were nervous to put up.

535
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I remember it was like, again, I thought

536
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Speaker 1: about this blog for a couple of reasons. Number one,

537
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: as I got into fitness and wanting to be a

538
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: coach and wanting to be really well do really well.

539
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: I started going to a lot of like industry fitness events,

540
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Speaker 1: and the first thing I noticed was number one, there

541
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Speaker 1: weren't a lot of people of color in the room.

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Speaker 1: But also the other thing I noticed is that there

543
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Speaker 1: was hardly any speakers that were people of color. And

544
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Speaker 1: so I was like, Wow, this kind of sucks. There's

545
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Speaker 1: like no representation for people who look like me here,

546
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Speaker 1: and that's like disheartening. And then number two, I was

547
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Speaker 1: specifically trying to create some graphics for something that I

548
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: was doing for my business, and I like googled women

549
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: doing push ups, and all the pictures that came up

550
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: at the time were white women doing push ups. I

551
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: couldn't find it with like I had probably awful form,

552
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: yes with very bad form, and they were dressed really

553
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Speaker 1: in loss of pink. But I couldn't find like hardly

554
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: any woman of color. And I was like, Wow, this

555
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: is so weird because I know that people of color

556
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: work out, I know the range gym spaces, and I

557
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: just feel like we're not being represented in the fitness industry,

558
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: which is like a lot of industries and then also

559
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Speaker 1: I also have a background went to college for social

560
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: well for injustice, so like talking about intersections of identity

561
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: and have always been like top of mind for me,

562
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: And so that's what I wanted to write this blog

563
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: about about how we need more representation in the fitness

564
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: industry because fitness is for everybody, like you know, regardless

565
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: of race, gender, sexual orientation, age ability status, like wellness

566
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: has so many benefits for everyone, and I think it's

567
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: so important for all of us to feel welcome in

568
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Speaker 1: fitness spaces and to see ourselves represented there.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think a lot about that idea

571
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Speaker 2: of fitness being for everybody, and a lot of the

572
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: conversations that have been circulating over the past year, specifically

573
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: when it comes to access right and perhaps be depending

574
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: on maybe even like geographic location. Like it's one thing

575
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Speaker 2: if you live in one area and you feel comfortable

576
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: going outside of your home and like going for a

577
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: run versus someone who may not have that same luxury.

578
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Speaker 2: But then I bring it into the home right, and

579
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Speaker 2: I ask myself, what is it that's within my control

580
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Speaker 2: inside where I live? And that's where I think some

581
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: of that ownership comes into the equation right, because it's like,

582
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Speaker 2: if you're willing to make that first step.

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Speaker 3: I would say, which is saying I want to do X.

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Speaker 2: I recognize that maybe I feel this sort of way,

585
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Speaker 2: I want to feel this sort of way, and so

586
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Speaker 2: I'm going to make the change. Well, it starts there,

587
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: and then you ask yourself, what do I have to

588
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: do X? And so it is frustrating to have a

589
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: seat at the table where we're all talking about perhaps

590
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Speaker 2: the lack of access or the lack of diversity and

591
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: inclusion in the wellness space, but then also at times

592
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: feeling a little frustrated that there are some things that

593
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: I believe that we can do if we're willing to

594
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: take ownership over what it is that we have available.

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Speaker 1: To us in those circumstances. I totally agree, and I think,

596
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: but when I'm speaking to at least from the work

597
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: that I do within the fitness and wellness industry, it's

598
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: more about the industry as a whole in terms of

599
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: when we're talking about what inclusivity looks like in fitness spaces,

600
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: right and ensuring that people feel welcome in those spaces.

601
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Speaker 1: So for me, it's less about people's ability to access

602
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: it in their homes, because I totally agree with you, like,

603
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: there's so many ways that we can just access movement

604
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: in their homes that are very low. The barrier of

605
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: entry is very low, right, especially now, I think with

606
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: so many apps that are like body weight, you can

607
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: do body weight workout. There's so many things that we

608
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: can do in our homes. So I totally agree with

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Speaker 1: you on that. I think when I think of the

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Speaker 1: industry as a whole and inclusion, I think of like

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00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: walking into gyms and not having gender neutral changing facilities, right,

612
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Speaker 1: And I think again for people who are cisgender, those

613
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: are things that perhaps we don't think about because it

614
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: doesn't affect us personally. Right, are walking into gyms and

615
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: they're not ADA compliant, so if you're a wheelchair user,

616
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: you can't access them easily, or you can't get into

617
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Speaker 1: a bathroom if it's not EIGHTYA compliant. So things like that,

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Speaker 1: I think there we have so much space in the

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Speaker 1: fitness industry and the wellness industry to make changes. Thinking

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Speaker 1: about our language and using gender neutral language and respecting

621
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Speaker 1: people's pronouns. I think there's industry wide, we have so

622
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: many things we can do so that people feel comfortable

623
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Speaker 1: walking into fitness spaces and feeling like this is a

624
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: space that I belong in and that I'll feel comfortable

625
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: and safe here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it can be so intimidating as it is, right,

627
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: Like this could already be intimidating enough. Like the last

628
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: thing that anybody needs is to feel like immediately discriminated

629
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Speaker 2: against before they even walk through the double door.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, and yes exactly, because it's super intimidating

631
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Speaker 1: to walk into a gem, right and like if again,

632
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with like if you're new to

633
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: strength training or if you k new to just being

634
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: in the gym, and you walk in and it looks

635
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Speaker 1: like everybody knows what they're doing and they look like

636
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: they belong there, Like, it's intimidating for anybody, I feel

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Speaker 1: like to walk into a new space. And so of course,

638
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: like the last thing you need is these extra barriers

639
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: that feel like more prohibitive for you.

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Speaker 1: There, Yes, one hundred percent. So shortly after I written

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Speaker 1: it was either that orticole or I wrote another article. No,

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Speaker 1: it was another article I wrote like a little bit

704
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Speaker 1: later that a lot of people had circulated and it

705
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Speaker 1: was about intersection of racism and fitness spaces. And so

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Speaker 1: after I wrote that article, Self Magazine reached out to me,

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Speaker 1: and first of all, when I got the email, was

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Speaker 1: like more than intimidated. Wasn't the word. I was like,

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Speaker 1: did they send this to the right person? Total imposter's syndrome? Right,

710
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome on a hundred right, And so I was like,

711
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Speaker 1: of course excited to write the article, and they wanted

712
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Speaker 1: me to kind of like expand on the things I

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Speaker 1: was talking about, and so I said, yes, of course,

714
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Speaker 1: but I was so intimidated writing that article and you know,

715
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Speaker 1: and talk about imposter syndrome. I think there's something to

716
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Speaker 1: be said about feeling like who am I to be

717
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: writing this? Who am I to be having a voice

718
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Speaker 1: in this space? And again, I think it's also because

719
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Speaker 1: like when I started writing about these things on my

720
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Speaker 1: own blog, it wasn't like I set out to like

721
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Speaker 1: I'm going to like change the industry. I was really

722
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Speaker 1: just like, these are the things that are on my

723
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Speaker 1: mind and that's what I'm talking about. And so when

724
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Speaker 1: a larger publication like self was like, hey, come write

725
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: about this, I was like, oh, no, this is big.

726
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really scary. But it was actually

727
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: a really cool moment because it was for me. I

728
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: was like, I do think the things I'm talking about important,

729
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: and now I get to talk about them on a

730
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Speaker 1: larger scale and so after that, like I always, you know,

731
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Speaker 1: I always have like a really hard time when people

732
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: ask me how to get into writing, and I'm like,

733
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm probably the worst person for you to ask, because

734
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: it just was like I wrote that article and then

735
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: it just more publications reached out and it just was

736
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: like a it was a very simple process for me,

737
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: and that I don't think is the case always for

738
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: people who are trying to get into freelance writing. And

739
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: so it happened very organically, and I and to be honest,

740
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: most things that I've been working on have happened very organically.

741
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: And so my advice for people, which I don't know

742
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: is if it's always applicable, but my advice for people

743
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: is to like follow your passion, follow your truth, say

744
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: that things are important to you, and I just believe

745
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: that the right doors are going to open up for you.

746
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: And of course you have to work hard, like I've

747
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: always worked hard at the things I've done, but I

748
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: think that I've always been really aligned with with what

749
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: was truly my passion and the things that I was

750
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: passionate about, and that's really just opened up doors for me.

751
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Speaker 2: When did you leave your former job that you had

752
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: mentioned in August of twenty eighteen. Okay, so this is

753
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: all kind of happening around the same time, yes, yes, correct, Okay, okay, yeah,

754
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: because I think that someone who hears this that may

755
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: be interested in getting into freelance writing, They're going to

756
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: be like, well.

757
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 3: How much writing were you doing and were you training?

758
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Speaker 2: So talk a little bit about maybe that decision process,

759
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: right of kind of taking that leap of faith away

760
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: from a nine to five, which so many people you know,

761
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: they love and they do and that's cool, but to

762
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: each their own right, So how did you make the

763
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: decision that this was the right move for you?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to talk about that. So when

765
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: I was at my nine to five when I started

766
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Speaker 1: coaching and training, from the point that I started coaching

767
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: and training to the point that I left my job

768
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: was about three years, and so for those three years

769
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Speaker 1: I was really hustling. So yeah, working my nine to

770
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Speaker 1: five training my clients, and I coming home working online business.

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Speaker 1: And I do not recommend what I'm about to say

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Speaker 1: to anybody, but it is what I did. There was

773
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Speaker 1: probably a good year and a half where I was

774
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: sleeping only four to five hours a night. I was

775
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: really really hustling. And again I don't necessarily think that

776
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: was healthy. I will hope I never have to do

777
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Speaker 1: something like that again, but it is what I did.

778
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Speaker 1: And so I hustled for a really long time. And

779
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Speaker 1: then when I decided to leave my job, I actually,

780
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Speaker 1: you know, my business was doing my side I call

781
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: it my side business, but it was really like it

782
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: was my business was doing really well. And also it

783
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: was still really scary to leave my job because it's

784
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: like that security of having a paycheck that you know

785
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: is steady and stable every week, right you have study vacation,

786
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: like it feels that level of security. But when I

787
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: was that business coach I was working with, she was like, Chrissy,

788
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: it is time for you to leave your job. Your

789
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: business is going to explode. When you have another forty

790
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: plus hours that you can you know, so free up

791
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: that you can put into your business all so you

792
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: can sleep more, your creative it's gonna be great. I

793
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I really don't know if

794
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: this is the right move for me. And I was

795
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: also having a lot of really stressful situations at my

796
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: place of employment happening at that time, and I was

797
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: like getting sick physically ill, like breaking out in hives

798
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: at my workplace, and so it was like the perfect storm.

799
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Speaker 1: All these things were happening, and I was like, it's

800
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Speaker 1: I have to make this decision.

801
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Speaker 3: Now I have to leave, and.

802
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: It was really scary. I will never downplay that for people,

803
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: but I do know that I was also adeically prepared,

804
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: and so I always say to people, I would never

805
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: encourage someone to just quit their jobs and just go

806
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: for their dreams, right. I think we can do both

807
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: things at the same time for a while, until it

808
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: feels safe for us to be like, Okay, I have

809
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: something set up. I can trust that this is going

810
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Speaker 1: to at least pay my bills, and I'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I hear that four to five hours of

812
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Speaker 2: sleep thing. I used to teach a spin class at

813
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Speaker 2: six am, which me and I meant I have to

814
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: let leave at five god fifteen am and like questionably

815
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Speaker 2: get on the subway and then go to the studio.

816
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Speaker 3: And then after that was done, I would shower and

817
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Speaker 3: go to.

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Speaker 2: My wiwork and I would work there until eight, and

819
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: then I would go home and I would eat too late,

820
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: and oh my god, just the things that we do

821
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: when we're younger to think about, you know, like, these

822
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Speaker 2: are the things that are going to get me to

823
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Speaker 2: where I want to be.

824
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Speaker 3: These are the things that are going to get me

825
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Speaker 3: to where I want to be.

826
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Speaker 2: And I believe exactly what you said, Like we all

827
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Speaker 2: go through these periods of like intense grind, hard work.

828
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Speaker 2: And to anyone that's listening to this right now that

829
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: may feel as though they are in that period or

830
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: that season, know that it doesn't last forever. And that

831
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: doesn't mean the hard work stops. It just shifts in

832
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: a way that kind of grows with you. Right when

833
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: you step into your purpose and you figure out exactly

834
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: how it is that you can proceed in a way

835
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: that's actually sustainable and does fuel you and does make

836
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Speaker 2: you feel invigorated and excited to show up every day

837
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: and do it after getting more than.

838
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Speaker 3: Five hours of sleep. Yes, exactly, exactly exactly.

839
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Speaker 2: And something else you've talked about a few times here

840
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: is your business coach. Can you talk to us about

841
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: how you found that business coach?

842
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Speaker 1: Yes, So again me, I'm a Sagittarius, by the way,

843
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: so I really just go with things.

844
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Speaker 4: And so you're like, I just need to disclaim this,

845
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: because I need to claim that before I tell you

846
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: what happened. So what happened is I was training in

847
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: person and I was like, well, I'd really like to

848
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: make this my full time job sometime, but I don't

849
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: really see how that was possible because I was making

850
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Speaker 4: six figures at my job and I was like, I

851
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: don't think I can replace that being a trainer. And

852
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 4: so I had just been like thinking, ruminating about this,

853
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: and I was on Instagram one day and someone I

854
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: followed had posted in their stories a picture with this

855
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 4: other woman. I was like, oh, I've never heard of

856
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: this woman before. So I clicked on her on the

857
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: story to go to this woman's page. I go to

858
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Speaker 4: her page and she has this post and I don't

859
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: even remember what the post said exactly, but it was

860
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: around like business and online training, and it just the

861
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: post super resonated with me. And so I commented on

862
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: the post, and then she commented back, and I was like, Wow,

863
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: that was so cool, because I felt like at that

864
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Speaker 4: time a lot of people with bigger pages didn't really

865
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Speaker 4: comment back.

866
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Speaker 1: And so then I like looked at her page a

867
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Speaker 1: little bit more and I noticed that she was running

868
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Speaker 1: like a free five day like course or some sort,

869
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, I want to sign up.

870
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Speaker 1: So I signed up, but I had already missed day one,

871
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Speaker 1: and so I sent her a DM, which obviously lack

872
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: of boundaries, but at that time I didn't know any better.

873
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: So I sent her a DM and I was like, hey,

874
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: I missed day one. Is there any way I can

875
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: get access to it? And she wroke back super quick

876
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: and she was like, yeah, what's your email. We'll get

877
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: it over to you. And I was like, wow, this

878
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: woman is so nice. And so anyways, it was a

879
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: five day free course, which now I know was just

880
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: like an introduction to like launch her her business training.

881
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: And I did the five day course and then she

882
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: like she told us at the end, like how we

883
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: could join. I think it was like six thousand dollars.

884
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I was like, take my money, this is what I need.

885
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: And that is the extent of the reason I had

886
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: never heard of this woman, did. I mean, in hindsight,

887
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: she was like really great and she was like really

888
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: well known in the industry, but I didn't know who

889
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: she was.

890
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 3: I had never of her. But I'm like, I like it,

891
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: sign me up.

892
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: Done, isn't it so interesting that there are so many

893
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: things now that are exactly like that, Like that is

894
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: a complete ecosystem business model for thousands and thousands and

895
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: thousands of entrepreneurs. It's like, I'm going to give you

896
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: this free thing, and then you're gonna like me and

897
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: you're gonna trust me, and then I'm going to sell

898
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: you the something that costs between three and six thousand

899
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: dollars and you're going to.

900
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 5: Be so excited about it. It is going to change

901
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: your life. You're going to be a whole new person

902
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 5: by the time that you're done with this, and you're

903
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 5: going to tell people, man, that's the best three to

904
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: six thousand dollars I ever spent. And then they're going

905
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: to get you more clients because they believe in everything

906
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: you just sold them.

907
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: It's the whole It's a legit business model, it really is.

908
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: And that business coach is actually named Jill Coleman. I've

909
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: been talking about her this whole time, but that's her name,

910
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: is Jill Coleman. She's a phenomenal business coach. I end

911
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: up working with her for almost three years and I

912
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: tell her all the time that the things that she

913
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: taught me. Those three years were so fundamental to where

914
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: I am now. That's only because of like the technical stuff,

915
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: but more because she also like gave me the confidence

916
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: right that I could do this, and so yeah, she's

917
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: she's phenomenal.

918
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: And just for a little bit more background, not that

919
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: this is purposefully becoming like a you know, four minute advertisement,

920
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: but in that program, what were some of the stuff

921
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: or what were some of the things that you focused

922
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: on in that because I think when someone here is like, okay,

923
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: I got a business coach, Uh, it may make sense

924
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: if you think about it like in a one on

925
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: one sense, but when it comes to like a larger program,

926
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: I would just be curious as to what was like,

927
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: what was what what that included?

928
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't even know what kind of program

929
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: still was running now, but at that time, this was

930
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 1: a program that was like for people who were from

931
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: like zero to one year in business and so which

932
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: was me, right, And because I didn't have an online

933
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: business yet, and it was it specifically was geared towards

934
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: trainers and coaches who wanted to take their business online.

935
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: So it was geared toward fitness professionals.

936
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, it was geared toward fitness professional and so

937
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: when I first worked with her, it was like very

938
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: in hindsight, I say, basic stuff, but like things I

939
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: didn't think about because I didn't have an online business.

940
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: So it was like how to start an email list, right?

941
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: How to get a website? Like? How to what is

942
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: a funnel system?

943
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: Right?

944
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Like why it was the importance of a blog, how

945
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: to do social media? Things that were very much like, oh, yeah,

946
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: I need an email list, Like duh, that would be

947
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: really helpful. How do I set that up? How do

948
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: I create content? What's a good way to create what's

949
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: a strategy? Like? So very tactical things is what I say.

950
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: And then I said, like, I worked with her for

951
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: three years, but year three was way she had like

952
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: a mastermind at that time. It was a higher price point,

953
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: and I was into her mastermind. And that was very

954
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: much more like how are you in your own business

955
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: working towards these particular goals. She wasn't teaching us about

956
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: emails anymore. We knew how to do that now, right.

957
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: It was like, where's your business going? What do you

958
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: need to strategically work on for yourself? And what's your

959
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: vision of where you're taking your business. And also year

960
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: one two, she like taught me how to launch a

961
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: do it yourself program. So I remember, like my first

962
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: program was called power Conditioning, which is still a really

963
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: great program by the way, And so I had done

964
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: all the programming. I did all the programming, and it

965
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: was like a lot as a PDF that people could

966
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: download and do for themselves. And I think I sold

967
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: it for forty seven dollars. And I remember that first

968
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: launch when I'd done that, I made like maybe ten

969
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and I was like, Wow, this is the

970
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: coolest thing in the whole world. Like I can make

971
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: a program, I can sell it online, people will buy it,

972
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: and I could sell it again. And so just like

973
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: things like that, she taught me how to do.

974
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: Something that you are doing a lot lately, is a

975
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: lot of writing also over the last few years, maybe

976
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: more so than back in twenty eighteen, considering everything that's

977
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: been going on in our world, getting more and more

978
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: immersed in your diversity and inclusion work. I'd love to

979
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: ask you a little bit about I guess how things

980
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: have been for you being in this space over the

981
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: last two three years now, especially during the pandemic and

982
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: just talk to me a little bit about what the

983
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: last they years have been like for you being so

984
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: immersed in the diversity and inclusion space.

985
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

986
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely so prior I would say, like pre George Floyd, right,

987
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: because that's why I think people within the wellness industry

988
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: really like started having these conversations more pre George Floyd.

989
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: I was already hosting like webinars around diversity inclusion, sometimes

990
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: just on my own for people like virtually, but I

991
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: was speaking at universities occasionally, and so like I was

992
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: kind of doing this work already, and so then fast

993
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: forward to George Floyd. And I remember someone had reached

994
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: out to me shortly after George Floyd in the fitness

995
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: space and was like, hey, I remember you did these

996
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: workshops before, Like are they available for purchase? Like I

997
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: think we could really use them right now. And I

998
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: was decided to like revamp them and do a new

999
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: series of workshops, and I wanted one of them to

1000
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: be specifically on anti racism, not just diversity inclusion, and

1001
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: so I revamped those sometime in late June. I think,

1002
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: thinking like a couple, you know, how hundred people would come,

1003
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: and like over a thousand people ended up showing up

1004
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: for the workshops, and so yeah, I was really busy

1005
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: during that time. And then because of that, because of

1006
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: the workshops and because of the amount of people that

1007
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: showed up, I started getting more requests from like private

1008
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: companies to come do the training individually for them, yoga

1009
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: studios and like larger companies like Google even And so

1010
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: from like July of twenty twenty to I don't know

1011
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: always say forever, I've just been really really busy with

1012
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: DEI work in writing, and so that's been the majority

1013
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: of the work I'm doing now. I do quite a

1014
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: few trainings and workshops every month for companies and has

1015
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: been really good because I think it's important that we're

1016
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: having these conversations. Also very exhausting, excuse me, so very exhausting,

1017
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: so to your point of like feeling like I need to,

1018
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, take some time. Definitely feeling like I'm in

1019
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: that space right now where it's like I think I've

1020
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: just been at a marathon speed for the last eighteen

1021
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: to twenty months and just now starting to realize how

1022
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: truly burned out I'm feeling, you know, because there's this

1023
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: been non and so like I said, I'm working on

1024
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: a book right now, or I didn't say that, but

1025
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm working on a book right now, and so once

1026
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: that is due and I turned that first draft in,

1027
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm definitely taking a little bit of time off because

1028
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I just, yeah, I'm really burned out, and I think

1029
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm just starting to really see how the impact of

1030
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: the last twenty months, because it's been really great to

1031
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: be able to share my work in a bigger capacity.

1032
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: And also I think that I've downplayed the fact that

1033
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of really important work during

1034
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: a time that was very also traumatizing in a lot

1035
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: of ways, and so just like, oh, yeah, I need

1036
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: to take some time and process that because it was

1037
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: a lot.

1038
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was definitely a lot, and to be

1039
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: able to vocalize firstly, thank you for all the work

1040
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: that you do, but to also be to be able

1041
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: to vocalize like, yes, you know what.

1042
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: I am feeling so overwhelmed right now.

1043
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: And that can be hard because you want to show up,

1044
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: you want to help, but there's a difference between knowing

1045
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 2: that your intention is positive and knowing that you want

1046
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: to help and being like, really, really, I don't know,

1047
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: Like if you can't show up and be your full

1048
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: self and actually help to the capacity that you know

1049
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: that you're capable of. And sometimes we do need to

1050
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: have that hard conversation with ourselves and step back and

1051
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: ask yourself, what is it that I need right now

1052
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: so that I can come back with a full cup,

1053
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: so that I can come back and give, you know,

1054
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten percent of myself to things. Because

1055
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: it seems as though you and I share this in

1056
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: common that we like to show up and bring everything

1057
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: that we have to the table.

1058
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it's true, and I feel like I've been showing

1059
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: up for a really long time. And it's like also

1060
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: just important to think of like how am I showing

1061
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: up for myself?

1062
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: Right?

1063
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: And what is showing up for myself mean? And yeah,

1064
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: like how am I adequately taking care of me? Because

1065
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: if I'm not taking care of myself, like this work

1066
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: won't be sustainable, right, I can't do it sustainably if

1067
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm burned out, if I'm exhaust I'm overwhelmed. And I

1068
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: think also as a person who is in a lot

1069
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: of ways used to being a high achiever, when you

1070
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: have a lot of opportunities coming to you and you're like, yeah,

1071
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: this is great, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this,

1072
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: do this. It's all really amazing. But two things can

1073
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: be true at the same time. Things can be really

1074
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: awesome and you can also be overwhelmed. Right, both things

1075
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: be true, and so yeah, I think it's really important

1076
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: for all of us to remember when we need to downtime,

1077
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: when we need to take a break, and to like

1078
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: really pay attention to what we need personally as well.

1079
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: It's like those I don't know if mem is the

1080
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: right word, but all of those like photos or posts

1081
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: that you'll see that like depression can look like twenty

1082
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: different things, and like one of the things is someone

1083
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: like laughing that we all think is like the super

1084
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 2: successful human but they are clearly despite being quote unquote

1085
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: very successful, spread super thin and not taking any time

1086
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: for themselves and feeling just like completely overwhelmed. And it's like, oh,

1087
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: like maybe we all just need to take a step

1088
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: back sometimes and be like, what's really happening here?

1089
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I could not agree more for sure, And I

1090
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: think for me also, it's so important because you know,

1091
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: the book I'm writing is entitled The Body Liberation Project,

1092
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: and it's about body image and how do we truly

1093
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: feel liberate in our bodies and even that word liberation

1094
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: and freedom, right, And I'm thinking for myself, right, like,

1095
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: especially in terms of being a black woman, Like black

1096
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: liberation doesn't feel like me being exhausted all the time, right, Like,

1097
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: that's not That's not what my ancestors had in mind

1098
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: for me. So I'm like, Okay, that means it's time

1099
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: for me to reevaluate how I'm living those values out

1100
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: for myself.

1101
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1102
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how would you say or how would you

1103
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: articulate that conversation is for yourself now versus twenty eighteen

1104
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to where you're at with your own body,

1105
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: body acceptance, and perhaps those negative thoughts that used to

1106
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: run rampant.

1107
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, So I think one thing I always talk

1108
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: about im when to talk about body, when I'm talking

1109
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: about body image and body liberation, is I think that

1110
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: sometimes social media gives us this idea that one day

1111
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: you arrive at like a place of like total peace

1112
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: and happiness to their body and then you never have

1113
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: another negative thought again. And that is so far from

1114
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: the truth, right that that place does not exist. I

1115
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody says, it's not true. It's just

1116
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: not it's not true. And I think what's so important

1117
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: for us to remember is that a relationship with our

1118
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: bodies are ever changing, right, and especially living within a

1119
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: culture that is hyper focused on women's bodies in particular

1120
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: and how they and how they look like, we're constantly

1121
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: getting messages that tell us we're not enough, right, We're

1122
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: constantly getting messages that tell us that we need to

1123
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: do something different. And so, yes, we're constantly geting those messages.

1124
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: So of course we're going to feel trigger. We're gonna

1125
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: have moments we're not feeling happy with our bodies. But

1126
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: for me, what that has looked like is I can

1127
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: flip that narrative faster than I used to be able

1128
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: to write. So it's not that I never have those moments,

1129
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: but then I can recognize really quickly that's not what

1130
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: I believe to be true. And so that for me

1131
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: has been the change that I can bring myself back

1132
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: a lot sooner than I used to be able to

1133
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: bring myself back. And also I can give myself a

1134
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: lot more compassion than I used to be able to

1135
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: give myself. If you wake up having a bad body

1136
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: image day, it's okay, that's normal. Right, and if you're

1137
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: feeling like not the best, how can I meet myself

1138
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: with compassion in this moment instead of guilt or shame.

1139
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: Also too, if you're in a place where you're really

1140
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: struggling with like perhaps understanding that like maybe your desire

1141
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: for weight loss is really rooted in diet culture and

1142
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: you're saying, but still I still want to lose weight

1143
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: because I would feel better about myself, Like also having

1144
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: compassion that these are thin privileged and these things that

1145
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: exist in the world are very real. And so if

1146
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: that's what you're feeling, like, that's okay, and that's totally normal.

1147
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: There's no wayson to feel guilt or shame about that.

1148
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: And I think my biggest thing for people is body autonomy.

1149
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: Do what feels best for your body, and also question

1150
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: the desire behind.

1151
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: A question the desire behind it, because just like you know,

1152
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: with money, I had someone on the show recently and

1153
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: I talked a lot about you know, smart finances for

1154
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: the new year, and when it comes to our financial health,

1155
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: and it has so much of the same roots of

1156
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: emotion as we get to when we talk about our

1157
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: bodies and our weight. It's like there's so much emotion

1158
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: tied sometimes for many. I mean, at least I can

1159
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: speak for myself. I love this idea that body positivity.

1160
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that you're never going to have a

1161
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: bad day. And I think that that's where the misconception

1162
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: comes in, right. People hear that term and they're like,

1163
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: can you just be like real with me, Like you

1164
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: really mean to say, like you're a body positive person,

1165
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: and like yes, And I think that's the important part,

1166
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: like yes and dot dot dot.

1167
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, I it was a

1168
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: whole other conversation. Sometimes go too far into this, but

1169
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: I think even the word body positivity has really like

1170
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: been co opted and changed its meaning in so many ways.

1171
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: I think we really lost track of, like the original

1172
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: source of what I was supposed to mean, because the

1173
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: body positivity space was originally created by fat women and

1174
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: black women as a space to celebrate themselves because they

1175
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: didn't see themselves represented in mainstream, mainstream like platforms, or

1176
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: didn't see themselves represented as beautiful in mainstream platforms. So

1177
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: it's not so much about how do I feel in

1178
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: my body every day? It's about can I respect and

1179
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: appreciate and value my body regardless of what it looks like.

1180
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: Can I show myself love and gratitude despite what people

1181
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: try to say is wrong.

1182
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: With my body?

1183
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 1: But we've just like these terms. The more like popularized

1184
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: they become, we lose the meaning of what it was

1185
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: really about. But the reality is, yes, we all have

1186
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: struggles with our body. We are never going to arrive

1187
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: at a place where we're never going to feel negative

1188
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: or have negative thoughts about our bodies. And we work

1189
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: towards coming to a place of more gratitude, appreciation, and

1190
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: love in the bodies that we have. And that is

1191
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: a journey. It's a literal journey.

1192
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: You mentioned a few years quote unquote too late, although

1193
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: I would argue that you know whenever you make this

1194
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: decision for yourself, that it's the right time time to

1195
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: finally make this decision for yourself. But starting to go

1196
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: to therapy, can you talk a little bit about maybe

1197
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: what you've learned by adding what I'll say, like this

1198
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: person to your personal toolkit.

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00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: Yes, the reason really quickly. The reason I say that

1200
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: I started a few years too late is which is

1201
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: never too late? You're correct. In January twenty eighteen, my

1202
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: dad unexpectedly passed away very tragically. Two weeks later, my

1203
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: partner and I decided to separate. We had been married

1204
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: for ten years, and August of that year, I moved

1205
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: to New York from Wisconsin. Then the pandemic started, and

1206
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: then George Floyd and then all the words. So it's

1207
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: just like thing after thing after think everything. But anyways,

1208
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: adding a therapist now has been so great because it's

1209
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: really a place for me where I can process again

1210
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: all of this. I always say, I know this word

1211
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: trauma's overused, but really like process trauma or unhealed wounds

1212
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: or things that I've just pushed to the side and

1213
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: kept going. And it's a person who, you know, I

1214
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: have a black therapists, which is really important to me

1215
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: because I feel like, you know, I can she really

1216
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: understands me in a way that I feel like other

1217
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: therapists couldn't necessarily. And so it's just been a really

1218
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: safe space for me to process feelings and to have

1219
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: conversations and to like talk about things that I've really

1220
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: pushed to the side for you know, a twenty plus

1221
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: years sometimes and it's been such a beautiful and painful experience.

1222
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: And so I always say therapy is like therapy is

1223
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: so great and also brings up a lot of things

1224
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: that we haven't addressed. And so, I mean, my therapy

1225
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: sessions involved tears like all the time.

1226
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 3: Right.

1227
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: I think it's been so great for me though, and

1228
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative of the fact that I have the

1229
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: privilege of being able to access therapy.

1230
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 3: How did you find this woman in particular?

1231
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was actually asking a friend of mine.

1232
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: I asked friends of mine who had like black therapists,

1233
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: And there's one of my friends therapists has a practice,

1234
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: and so she has like five or six therapists in

1235
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: her practice. They're all black women, and so I went

1236
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: on the website and I kind of read about them

1237
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: and this person for whatever reason, I was like, oh,

1238
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: I think this Like I really resonate with this person.

1239
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: And we had a couple of sessions and I was like, oh, yeah,

1240
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: this is a therapist.

1241
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 3: Now.

1242
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: I had another therapist prior to this who was just

1243
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: like was not a good fit for me at all.

1244
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: And so I think that's the other thing with therapy.

1245
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you got to date therapists for

1246
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: a little bit and find your right therapist that really

1247
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: is a good fit for you.

1248
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think often we are like worried about

1249
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: saying the wrong thing or like letting our therapists down.

1250
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you are paying

1251
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: for a service, so you have to ask yourself, like,

1252
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: if going to your therapist is going to be the

1253
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: thing that gives you more anxiety than going to a

1254
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: therapist may already give you, then that's one hundred percent problematic.

1255
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's definitely very true. It's super hard, though, it's

1256
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: super hard.

1257
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: I feel as though I anyone and I've spoken with

1258
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: that has a therapist, and I mean many many people

1259
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: have a therapist.

1260
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 3: I just started working with a life coach myself.

1261
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: But many individuals on their es that I have found

1262
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: to be successful when it comes to identifying a practitioner

1263
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: that really works for them, oftentimes that person they've found

1264
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: through a referral through a friend. And I would say

1265
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: that when people ask me for their best tip on

1266
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: like how to find the right person, I always say, like,

1267
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: try to ask around and find a referral. And that

1268
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you need to go to your friend's therapist,

1269
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: your friend's life coach. It could just mean that that

1270
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: person may have another recommendation of someone that's trusted within

1271
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: their network that they can offer to.

1272
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: You absolutely, because that's that's basically how I found mine.

1273
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel like if my friend, if people

1274
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, are having a good experience with this person

1275
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: or their practice, like maybe it's maybe there's someone that

1276
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: we fit for you.

1277
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: So I think that's yeah, really good advice. What excites

1278
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: you right now?

1279
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: What excites me is knowing that I'm going to take

1280
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: some time off soon to really rest and recuperate in

1281
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: a way that's really meaningful. But then other things that

1282
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: excite me are just like, again, I'm super excited that

1283
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: I have the opportunity to write this book right like

1284
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: that has been a dream of mine for a while,

1285
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: So that excites me. Simple things like making time for

1286
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: myself to just like read a good fiction book, spending

1287
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: time with like my really close friends that like bring

1288
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: me so much joy. Those are the things I look

1289
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: forward to right now on a day to day basis,

1290
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: And that's always changing, you know, Like later in the year,

1291
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to travel some more and that's exciting. So

1292
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: I think for me, the thing I'm trying to like

1293
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: really get much better at is these things called micro

1294
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: joys or it's like, what are these small moments of

1295
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: joy every single day and finding meaning and things that are,

1296
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, seemingly small little things.

1297
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: Would you say that the micro joys were something that

1298
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: you focused on a lot after those back to back

1299
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 2: to back traumatic events from last year.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and especially after the pandemic started, right, I think

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Speaker 1: you know, I talked about the events that happened in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and those things are really hard. But what

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Speaker 1: I know about myself is that I'm really good at

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Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for, I'm really good at

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Speaker 1: focusing my attention on other things, right. And so after

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Speaker 1: I have those dramatic events, I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: move to New York, I'm going to travel. I was

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Speaker 1: like doing all these things right to really keep my

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Speaker 1: mind off of the things that were really hard at

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Speaker 1: that time. But then the pandemic hit and I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I really can't do any of those things right now, right,

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Speaker 1: And so that really forced me to sit with some

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable feelings, but then also forced me to really focus

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Speaker 1: on the micro joys. What are these little things that

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Speaker 1: I can find joy and meaning in every day?

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Speaker 3: I love that I definitely.

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Speaker 2: I keep a list next to my desk, and it's

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Speaker 2: not like earth shattering things, right, It's just literally small

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Speaker 2: items that I can do right now if I feel

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Speaker 2: as though my world is crumbling around me, that I

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Speaker 2: know can just make me like one percent better at

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Speaker 2: a time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's what we need, I think, like focusing

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Speaker 1: on those big things. But we can't do the big

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Speaker 1: things all the time, So it's like in the day

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Speaker 1: to day practically, what are these little things we can implement?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would love to get on a

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Speaker 2: flight and go to Italy like every other day.

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Speaker 3: That sounds exactly. That's exactly what I need right exactly

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Speaker 3: what I need. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm so appreciative

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Speaker 3: for all of your time today.

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Speaker 2: How I wind down the show is, I ask you

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Speaker 2: right now, you have an opportunity to give it yourself

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Speaker 2: a piece of advice. Let's talk about back to that

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Speaker 2: rock bottom moment looking back on it now, that hurdle

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Speaker 2: moment where you're just so besides yourself with how much

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Speaker 2: control you've taken over your body and just feeling dissatisfied

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Speaker 2: and happy with your life. Right now, you have an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to offer that woman a piece of advice.

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Speaker 3: Looking back on it, now, what do you tell her?

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Speaker 1: I would tell her that she is inherently worthy because

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Speaker 1: she exists, that her body is the least interesting thing

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Speaker 1: about her, and that she has so much magic to

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Speaker 1: offer to this world, and none of it revolves around

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Speaker 1: what she looks like.

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Speaker 2: None of it revolves around what she looks like. I

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Speaker 2: love it, Christy, So grateful for your time today. How

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Speaker 2: do the hurdlers follow along with you? How do they

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Speaker 2: keep up with you?

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Speaker 3: Give us all of the details.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Emily, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me on. It's been a wonderful conversation, and you

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Speaker 1: can keep up with me. I'm most present on Instagram

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Speaker 1: and on Instagram it's I am Chrissy King. Of course,

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Speaker 1: my website is Chrissyking dot com. You can sign up

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Speaker 1: for my newsletter and I send out things there too.

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Speaker 3: So amazing.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily Abadi and at Hurdle Podcast Another

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.