1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: What's up everyone. Welcome to Week nine Giants Hangout, brought 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: to you by Crestrawn. My name is Madeline Burke, joined 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: as always by Russ Salzberg, Matt Sytek, and the Super 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Bowl champ Jonathan Cassius. Guys, Before we get into Week 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: nine Giants Niners, we got to recap a little bit 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: of Week eight. It was a heartbreaker, but one of 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: the biggest heartbreaks was, of course, losing Giants rookie running 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: back Cam Scataboo to an ankle injury. A heartbreaker of 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: an injury, Russ, how much of an impact is losing 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: scat not just to that game, but to this team 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: right now? 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Well, we were just talking about it off the air 13 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: amongst us. 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: It was a devastating loss. 15 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: And what really struck me, and I'm not saying teammates 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: don't care about rookies, but when this rookie went down, 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: you would think a ten year veteran who is the 18 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: heart and soul of the team for a decade went down. 19 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: That's how much he could arguably be the spiritual leader 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: of the Giants. And he went down, and the air, 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, using the oak cliche, came right out of it. 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: A balloon win that of the Sales. It was terrible, 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: devastating loss. But as coach Dabos said after the game, 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: next man up and you gotta move on. 25 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: You gotta regroup. 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to move on. And you know, for 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart two, that was really tough for him. I mean, 28 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: that's one of his besties. We saw Dark go over 29 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: and give him a little headbutt on the cart getting 30 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: carved off the field. But you know, when you look 31 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: at what the offense is able to do, Matt from 32 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: that perspective, losing Malik Neighbors a few weeks ago, losing Scataboo, Now, 33 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: how do you evaluate this Giants offense now? 34 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, things are going to get even 35 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 4: tougher now with the loss of those two. I mean, 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 4: it's the best wide receiver on the team, one of 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: the best wide receivers in the league, and the rookie 38 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 4: running back who had been the best rookie running back 39 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 4: in the NFL, and a talented group of running backs. 40 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: So it's going to be tough. It's gonna, you know, 41 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: require Jackson to to spread the ball out even more 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: than he was already doing. You know, we've seen a 43 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: lot of the two tight end sets increased in that 44 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks could see even more of that. 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: Luckily for the Giants in this situation, the next man 46 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 4: up is a guy, a second year running back who's 47 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: coming off a thousand yard season himself, in Tyrone Tracy, 48 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 4: who's no slouch. You know, he was the starter at 49 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 4: the beginning of the season prior to getting injured himself, 50 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: which paved the way for Skataboo to take over as 51 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: the lead back. So it's a devastating injury. I mean, Jackson, 52 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: you could see it on the field immediately after his 53 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 4: reaction to Skataboo's injury there. As you said, they're best friends. 54 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: They have lockers next to each other. But Tyrone Tracy 55 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: is gonna step up now and again thousand yards last year. Like, 56 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: this guy is a successful running back in the NFL. 57 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 4: So hopefully to drop of play. You know, he's not 58 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 4: gonna run guys over like Skataboo, but he's a little 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 4: more elusive, so hopefully, you know, we don't really see 60 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: much of a drop play in terms of the you know, 61 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 4: the running the backfield. 62 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Luckily the Giants you have depth at running back 63 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: now we got to talk about the defensive side of 64 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: the ball, be cacies. I feel like in recent weeks 65 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: we've seen improved tackling, but you know they're still struggling, 66 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: especially that run defense, on that gap integrity and what 67 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: have you seen from the Giants defense, especially after giving 68 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: up almost three hundred yards on the ground against the Eagles. 69 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: You know, you see the mistackles and people think like 70 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 5: all mistackles get you beat. 71 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 6: That's not really true. 72 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 5: Misalignments, mental errors, that's what really gets you beat. 73 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 6: That first play. 74 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 5: Assume me the second play of the game, which was 75 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 5: the first run play, Say Kwon Barkley was sixty five, 76 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 5: and I'm trying to see, like, okay, who's in the 77 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 5: They were misaligned because if that safety Nuban, it looked 78 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: like he was a half safety. He's playing so far 79 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 5: back deep. Somebody had to be in that B gap. 80 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 5: There was no one in that BE gap. So when 81 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: you see and people are gonna be like, oh, it's 82 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 5: Nuban's fault. I don't expect my half safety to make 83 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 5: a tackle on a run play. He took a bad angle, yes, 84 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 5: but it was somebody supposed to be in that gap. 85 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 5: That's what I'm seeing on film, guys, I'm seeing a 86 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 5: lot of misalignments, a lot of mental errors, a lot 87 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 5: of guys in the front seven not being where they're 88 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 5: supposed to be. Sometimes it's defensive backs. That play was, 89 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 5: I think is on a linebacker, and that's what you're 90 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 5: seeing on film. It's not about miss tackling all the time. 91 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 5: You got to put yourself in the right position to 92 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 5: actually make the play before you can even get to 93 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 5: the miss tackles. And that's what I'm seeing from the Giants, 94 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 5: And as the game went on, it just kind of 95 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 5: got away from them. 96 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 6: You know. 97 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 5: It wasn't even about the misalignments and the miss tackles. 98 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 6: It was about effort. 99 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 5: And that's the thing that's very concerning to me, is, look, 100 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 5: when you're in a fight right. This game it was 101 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 5: even when you come with turnovers, right, And we thought 102 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 5: that going into this game, the team that made the 103 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 5: most mistakes, the team that turned the ball over more 104 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 5: with the team that's gonna lose a game. It was even. 105 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 5: It was zero zero, no turnovers, no takeaways, but the 106 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 5: Giants basically still got blown out. That's because it was 107 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 5: a lot of mistakes. It was a lot of mental 108 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 5: errors and of course the scatterable thing was was huge. 109 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 5: And it's not about to play with him. It's about 110 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 5: what of Russ said earlier. It's about the intangibles. This 111 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 5: the spirit, the soul, like the effort that he brings 112 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 5: that he gets everybody fired up, and that is I'm sorry, guys, 113 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 5: it's irreplaceable. 114 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that spark is just intangible. That is why, 115 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: as russoluted to too, like he felt like a ten 116 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: year veteran the way that not just Giants players but 117 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Philly the Philadelphia crowd gave him a standing ovation as 118 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: he was card off the field. That's not just what 119 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: an impact he's given to this Giants team, but also 120 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: to the NFL. And he's so fun to watch and 121 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: we're all wishing him a very speedy recovery and you know, 122 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: looking forward to him making it comeback. But we turned 123 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: in the page to the forty nine and Strands are 124 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: back at Met Life on Sunday, hosting San Francisco Russ. 125 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: The big question mark though, is who's going to be 126 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: starting at quarterback, Mac Jones brock Purty. Mac Jones has 127 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: done well for them in recent weeks. Rock Purty's been 128 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: making his way back to practice though, But how do 129 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: you prepare to defend against the quarterback with a question 130 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: mark there? 131 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: Well, as far as I'm concerned, Matt Madeline, I don't 132 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: care who's the quarterback. My biggest concern is what the 133 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: defense is going to do getting ready for this game. 134 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: You know, you guys all discussed and JC, you know, 135 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: said it best. I saw alignment and things I didn't 136 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: like that. Really, that's my biggest concern. I'm not concerned 137 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: so much about who the quarterback's going to be. I'm 138 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: concerned what the defense is going to how they're going 139 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: to improve. I gotta tell you you maybe I'm going 140 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: a little backwards here, but I just want to bring 141 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: out a point and again j C brought it up best, 142 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: that alignment on that second play of the game, that hole. 143 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm not taking anything away from Saquon's star ability. Okay, 144 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: we know how good he is, but you know what 145 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: that wasn't his ability that ran for sixty five yards. 146 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: That was the inadequacy of how the Giants were on 147 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: that play. The four of us could have held hands 148 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: and walked through that hole off the line, And to me, 149 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: that's my biggest concern going into this game. How are 150 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: they going to regroup and get ready for the forty 151 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: nine ers. If I see a good defense, I think 152 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: we're going to take care of business. But I got 153 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: to see a major improvement what I've seen, let's say, 154 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: for the last five quarters. 155 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Right and to that point too. They've got some big 156 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: playmakers and Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle who's now back from 157 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: injury with the vengeance because he is how do you 158 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: zero in on those two? 159 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 5: Well, this is the thing about McCaffrey, he's only had 160 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 5: one game where he's had over seventy yards rushing. They 161 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: give him the ball in the receiving game, they throw 162 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 5: him the ball a lot. He gets twenty five touches 163 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 5: the game, guys, and he's not averaging. His average is 164 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: not crazy. He's a little less than four yards. But 165 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 5: that's the thing. They don't care. They're going to give 166 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 5: him the ball anyway. Same thing with Sakuan last week. 167 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: Sakwan going into the game and he had probably his 168 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 5: worst season ever in the NFL. But they don't care 169 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 5: because they understand the talent. They will keep giving them 170 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 5: the ball. And what they're seeing on tape that the 171 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 5: Giants are putting out there. They're going to give the 172 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 5: ball to McCaffrey least twenty five times. They expect them 173 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: to get the ball thirty times and given maybe twenty 174 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 5: five rushes, especially if it goes well in that regard. 175 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 5: And the Giants have to show something on film. They 176 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: have to show because it's still long season. 177 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 6: Guys. 178 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 5: We're eight games and we got what nine games left. 179 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: It's still we're not even at the halfway part yet. 180 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 5: The Giants have to show a better outfit on defense. Yes, 181 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 5: they can rush the passer. We've seen that Brian Burns 182 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 5: is playing tremendous. But if you can't stop the run, 183 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 5: those sack numbers are gonna start dwindling because teams are 184 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 5: just not even gonna pass the football. They're gonna run. 185 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 5: And as far as the quarterbacks are concerned, you got 186 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 5: one quarterback. It's the same quarterback. They don't have a 187 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 5: different they have the same skill set, you know. So 188 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 5: I expect to see the same type of offense featuring 189 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 5: that running back McCaffrey and now George Kittle. The Giants 190 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 5: have struggled against tight ends historically. This year, my year, 191 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 5: years pass they have struggled, So expect George Kittle Christian 192 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 5: McCaffrey to be the number one two punch against the Giants. 193 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 5: And honestly, they don't even have to go to nobody 194 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 5: else if the Giants can't stop those guys. 195 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's gonna be tough for the tough opponent 196 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: for the Giants defense. Let's talk about the Giants offense, Matt. 197 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: You brought this up earlier, how much they've been going 198 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: to some two tight end sets, playing a little bit 199 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: more twelve personnel on offense, especially after losing the leak Neighbors. 200 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: Now without Neighbors, without Scatt going into this game, I 201 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: would imagine the tight end would be a point of emphasis. 202 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: But sidetek, what does a successful Giants offense look like 203 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: in Week nine? 204 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: Well, just on the subject of tight ends, you know, 205 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: we're filming this on Tuesday. Daniel Bellinger suffered a neck 206 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: injury this past Sunday and we have no idea yet 207 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 4: what his status is. I mean, hopefully he's good to go, 208 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: but there's a chance obviously that he won't be able 209 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: to which would obviously throw a wrench in you know, 210 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: all this talk about the two tight end sets but well. 211 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: You know Fidoni who has been making special teams plays, 212 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: who played his way under the roster. 213 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 4: And Chris Manhertz, who's you know, been very you know, 214 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: both of them have been prime used on special teams. 215 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: Chris Manners is a phenomenal blocker, you know, protection, run blocking, 216 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 4: pass protection great, but neither one of them, at least yet, 217 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: have shown the receiving skills that Daniel Bellinger has shown us, 218 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: especially these last couple of weeks where he's really kind 219 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 4: of stepped up with Theo Johnson. You know, with Skataboo 220 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 4: now gone, maybe this offense becomes slightly more pass heavy 221 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 4: than it has been the last couple of weeks. I mean, 222 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: Tyrone Tracy, I don't think is you know, not that 223 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 4: they don't feel comfortable giving him twenty twenty five touches. 224 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: But he's not the battering ram type of running back 225 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: that Cam Skadboo is, where he can just wear a 226 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: defense down. Tracy's skill Set's a little different, So I 227 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 4: don't know if they're gonna, you know, try to ram 228 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 4: him down the throat of the forty nine ers defense 229 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: like we've seen them do with Skataboo in the last 230 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 4: month or so. You know, maybe Jackson starts rushing the 231 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 4: ball a little bit more. Again, you know, the last 232 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 4: couple of weeks they've kind of veered. 233 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 6: Away from him. 234 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 4: I'd be a little wary of doing that against this 235 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: solid defense because you know they We've seen them supply 236 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 4: some very big hits on opposing players, and I don't 237 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 4: want Jackson in line to take a bunch of big shots. 238 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 4: You know, maybe it's the quick, quick pass game, get 239 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 4: the ball out of his hands quickly. I mean, again, 240 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 4: this Robert solid defense is pretty impressive. You know, they 241 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 4: kind of picked up right where they left off from 242 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: when he left a couple of years ago to go 243 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: coach the Jets. So especially in the red zone, this 244 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: is a tough defense, the top ten red zone defense. 245 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: Giants are gonna offense are gonna have their hands full. 246 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: One encouraging note, though, I just want to drop this 247 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 4: little nugget in there. Jackson Dart is the only quarterback 248 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl era through where his first five 249 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: career starts he has eight or more passing touchdowns, four 250 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 4: or more rushing touchdowns, and less than five turnovers. The 251 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: only quarterback in the Super Bowl or do that It's 252 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 4: been an impressive start for Jackson in his rookie year. 253 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 4: The Giants are gonna need a lead on him a 254 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: lot more this second half of the season, in with 255 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 4: some of those playmakers no longer out there. 256 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 2: Can I just add to that with Jackson. One thing 257 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: that Jackson that he does very well. He scrambles, he runs, 258 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: he gets out of trouble and tries to make plays, 259 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: and he tries to make plays for his teammates. And 260 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you two examples, and listen, I love 261 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: these two guys. 262 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: JC. 263 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 2: You know how much we've been talking about tight ends. 264 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: But THEO Johnson was a ball at their twenty eight 265 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: yard line. I mean, Jackson put it right there for 266 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: THEO dropped the ball. And an earlier on a third 267 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: and sixteen, he threw a bomb that laid it right up, 268 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: right up for Darius Slayton, right up. This is the NFL, 269 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: it's not college guys. You gotta make plays. You have 270 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: to win the battle for the balls. I'm not saying 271 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: they gotta be Molik neighbors. Okay, I'm not saying that, 272 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: but they have to. Those were two balls that needed 273 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: to be caught. We could talk about officiating and anything. 274 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: All we want you need to make plays, and they 275 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: didn't make plays last week. 276 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 5: Hey, Russ, there was a time I think there was 277 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 5: the player you're talking No, it wasn't the player you're 278 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 5: talking about, But there was a play where Jackson Dark 279 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 5: scrambled to the right, then he scrambled back to the left. Yeah, 280 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 5: that play before he threw it was nine seconds. Do 281 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 5: you know how far we got down the field? We 282 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 5: got about six yards. So his ability to create and 283 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 5: throw the ball, yes, is second to none. The receivers, 284 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 5: the tight ends, they have to do a better job 285 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 5: at number one catching the football more consistently. Number two 286 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 5: go downfield because you know, when I look at Dark, 287 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 5: his eyes are not looking shallow. His ours are looking 288 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 5: down the field. That is a big play. If your 289 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 5: quarterback can extend to play three four, five, six, eight 290 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 5: nine seconds, that's supposed to be a big play. As 291 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 5: a defense, I'm getting nervous at the play keeps going 292 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: on and on and oning. I'm thinking, like, if that 293 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: ball goes up, it's going up. You know, That's what 294 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 5: I've always seen. They just have to do a better 295 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 5: job and give him, I think the safety net when 296 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 5: he extends the plays because extending plays don't happen all 297 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 5: the time, right, that is, you know, off schedule stuff, 298 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: big plays happen there, not six yard games. So the 299 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 5: Giants have to take advantage whenever he does do off 300 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 5: schedule things well. 301 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: And credit to him though for being able to do that, 302 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: because watching it in real time, you're like, oh, okay, 303 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: that's where it's over. No, okay, oh he got out again. 304 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: It's like watching some like movie where you're like, how 305 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: does he keep escaping the bad guy? You know, and 306 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: then he keeps finding a way to extend the play, 307 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: and to your point, when he has that ability, you 308 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: want to see a bigger splash, but at least you know, 309 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: live to see another down. All right, I think it's 310 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: time we got to turn the page to have a 311 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: little bit fun here, Russ, What do you know? What 312 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: do you say? Well? 313 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: What do I know? What do I say? 314 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 6: Well? 315 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: This is what I say. 316 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: As all of you know, we've had a lot of 317 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: great matchups over the years between the classics between the 318 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: Giants and the Niners. My favorite happens to be the 319 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety NFC Championship game that took place out in 320 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: San Francisco. Of course, it was won by the Giants 321 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: fifteen thirteen courtesy of not one, not two, not three, 322 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: not four, but five Matt Barfield goals. All right, the 323 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: final one being as time ran out at forty two yarder. 324 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: Giants win a game fifteen thirteen. 325 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: Now by no means was it easy, all right? 326 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: In that game, late in the game, the Niners were 327 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: leading thirteen to twelve with the ball they were driving. 328 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: The Giants forced the fumble and they recovered subsequently going 329 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: on to win that game. All right, Ladies and gentlemen, 330 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: who forced the fumble and who recovered the fumble in 331 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: the fifteen to thirteen NFC Championship game from nineteen ninety 332 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: nine and recovered the fumble. 333 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety. 334 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 4: Lt. 335 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Taylor, Lawrence Taylor. 336 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 6: Guess that everybody? 337 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: Did he recover or force? 338 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: She recovered it? 339 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 6: He recovered it, very recovered it. 340 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 4: Leonard Marshall force it. 341 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: No, but that that was you remember the crunching hit 342 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: on Joe Montana in the back in that game. But no, 343 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: on this particular one, it was not Leonard Marshall. Another 344 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: member of the defensive. 345 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: Line defensive line. 346 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 5: Jordan Martin, does he still playing in the ninety what. 347 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Can we get initials or one initial? 348 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: Eh? Eric Howard Bingo. So now we know Old Mattelin 349 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: needs his initials and it's a case closed. 350 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: Like my brain is just not registering. 351 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: Can we get in every Coward? Easy? 352 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: No problem, honestly, like we're we're learning, we're growing, we're evolving, 353 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: and what do you know what I mean, credits to 354 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: his crew were getting lt right off the bat. 355 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 6: I mean that was kind of a given. 356 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually the Lenond Marshall one. 357 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: You know what, when I first saw the thing, I'm saying, 358 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: wait a minute, I wanted to look up because I 359 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: was thinking Leton Marshall. 360 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: Because that Leton Marshall hit. 361 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: I mean, like, look like it paralyzed God forbid Joe Montana. 362 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: It was a crushing shot. Very good people, very good. 363 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm going all right, look at us. Go uh. In 364 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: other news, producer Pearson's Game of the Week. Last week, 365 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: we built an all quarter century Giants offense. This week 366 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: we're doing all quarter century Giants defense. So as a 367 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: group group project, we're putting together Giants quarter Century Defense 368 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand, twenty five. Two inside linebackers, 369 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: two outside linebackers, two D linemen, two safeties, two cornerbacks, 370 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: and one more player at any defensive position, which I'm 371 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and early project that this might be 372 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: a D lineman because I feel like that's a deep 373 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: spot for us. But let's start with inside linebackers. Who's 374 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: your two inside linebackers on the All quarter Century defense. 375 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: I'll go with Antonio Pierce. I'll throw him out there 376 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: at start. 377 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be Antonio Piers. 378 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go peers number one. 379 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: And you know what, I was racking my brain over this. 380 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't really come, do you know, Antonio Piers, I 381 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: think we all agree is a given? 382 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: Can I mean Bobby Crent, Michael Barrow, maybe Jonathan Casillas. 383 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: You're gonna throw out there, you know Chase Blackburn? 384 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 5: Ooh, Chase, big time super nominee. 385 00:18:59,080 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. 386 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 5: I would say, let's let's go Chase Blackburn because he 387 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 5: made that big interception in the Super Bowl. Let's let's 388 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 5: go with him. That's a big time play, right there, guys. 389 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: That's why I was going with a Jase just Yeah. 390 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: I couldn't. 391 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: I couldn't find a second guy. Nail one down. 392 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: After Antonio, but Blackburn made the big play, So I 393 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: would say. 394 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: Him inside linebackers AP and Chase Blackburn outside linebackers. 395 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: I got two. I'm gonna give it. I mean he 396 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: was there for a year or two in the decade. 397 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: Jesse Armstead would be. 398 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: But Jesse arm said, I think of mostly his nineties. 399 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 3: I guess, hold hold on. We said it goes from 400 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: two thousand to now. He was there. He was there. 401 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: And the other one I will use is he played 402 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: defensive end half the time and linebacker half the time. 403 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: Matthias Kiwanuka, I like that. 404 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: Or Olivia Vernon though Olivia Vernon honorable mention. 405 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna go because the outside linebacker is like 406 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 5: a you know, back then, I would say, back then, 407 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 5: ten years ago, the outside linebacker is basically a defensive end. 408 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 5: Now they're kind of like, I'm not doing six to seven, 409 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 5: but now there they're kind of like back and forth right. 410 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 5: They could be a pass rusher slash linebacker. I gotta 411 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 5: go my guy, JPP. I gotta go Jason Pierre Paul 412 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 5: because I remember, like a lot of times he was 413 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 5: standing up, not just on the ground. 414 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 6: So I'm gonna go JPP. 415 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 5: I feel like Michael Straighthan was more of a traditional 416 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 5: defensive lineman, you know what I'm saying. 417 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because I would have thought JPP would be 418 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: in the D lineman category. But if we put JPP 419 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: in the outside linebacker, then it just kind. 420 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: Of then you gotta put oc in there too too. 421 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 6: I'm going Jpp. I'm going JPP. 422 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: Gains if we're configuring it like how defenses are configured today, 423 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 4: where they D lineman is more you know of like 424 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 4: your Dexter Lawrence type guys, and the OLB is like 425 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 4: you know, obviously right now, Brian Burns, kvon Abduel or 426 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: ob right. 427 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: Then I feel that's how. 428 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 6: I'm configuring it. 429 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 5: I'm configuring it like that, yeah, because I was an 430 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 5: outside linebacker like I was in the middle. 431 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 6: I was an outside guy, but I was in the 432 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 6: four to three. 433 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 5: It's the defensive scheme, guys we're kind of playing with, 434 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 5: you know, Samanta, Well, I think. 435 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean this get tricky though, all right, 436 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: So our outside linebackers, who are we doing? Because that's 437 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: the thing we could go like guys like straight hand, 438 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: oh C, JPP could go either position. But there's some 439 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: guys that could really just only be outside linebackers. So 440 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: do we want to give them the hat tip at 441 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: the position or do we want to go with the. 442 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 5: Well, who are you thinking that's gonna be an outside linebacker? 443 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 444 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Like Armstead, I feel like those I don't know JP, Yeah, 445 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: I don't know Jesse. 446 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 5: Jesse's inside. 447 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 6: Were we already got that. Jesse's inside. 448 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 5: If we're going to go outside on some real steff, 449 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 5: we're going to go outside, we gotta go with a 450 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 5: guy I think right now that's probably one of the 451 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 5: best outside linebackers in the game at Brian Burns, because 452 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 5: we could take it, could take one current player. Can 453 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 5: we do that? 454 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 455 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would do Brian Burns. He's leading the league 456 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 5: in sacks right now. And look the Giants defensively, they 457 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 5: can't really do nothing against the run, but when it 458 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 5: comes to passing, he's top tier in the league by far. 459 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, as a Super Bowl champion defensive player. 460 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to go ahead and take your word 461 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: on that one, like cause he has spoken. Brian Burns 462 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: gets the spots? Who gets the other spot? Side tech Russ? 463 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: I mean, if we're gonna not include the sort of 464 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 4: defensive ends from you know, fifteen twenty years ago. Then 465 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 4: I guess Kewanuka since he really did play something. 466 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: That's why he said, yeah, all right, let's go kiw 467 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: and Burns an outsidelinebacker, d lineman. 468 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 4: Now, well, then those guys we just talked about now. 469 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: To me, to me, it's one of three. It's two 470 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 3: of three. 471 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: It's and they played together Stray, Justin Cook and O 472 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: s Island Stray and Justin Tuck. 473 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: We can do three because we get one more player 474 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: at any defensive that's the three. 475 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 6: The three. 476 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the three. 477 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 4: That's as much as I would like to include Dexter 478 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 4: Lawrence in that category the last couple of years, but 479 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 4: those three have the longer you know, track record to show. 480 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: Okay, Stray, hann Oc talk our defensive lineman. Two safeties, 481 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: Land and Collins, those two of them, and. 482 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 6: It was good, good gold. Yeah. Two all pro seeds. Yeah, 483 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 6: I like it a lot, guys. 484 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: All right, two safeties, Collins, two corners. 485 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 3: Tory Webster is one, Cory Webb, Jason, Seahorn Jason. Last 486 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 3: year I was going to. 487 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 6: Say d R C. 488 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 5: Of course, you know me, that's my guy, Sea Horn 489 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 5: ended in two. I was looking it up right now 490 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 5: ended too. 491 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: He's in He's in the window. 492 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 6: He's in the window. 493 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: But do we want somebody whose entire career was in 494 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: the window or. 495 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 5: In the window? D r C is good. 496 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 6: There's a couple of guys. 497 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: Sam Madison was good for a period of time, and 498 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: so was Terrell Thomas. And you can also talk about 499 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: Aaron Ross, you know, but Arry Webster, Corey Webster wins 500 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: it to me, hands down. Terrell Thomas would have had 501 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: a really good career if he was not hobbled by injuries. 502 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: He had to sit out one year. 503 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: But I'll let you guys pick the rest. Corey Webster 504 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: has to be the first guy. 505 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Russ, I feel like I think our instinct, 506 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: our initial instinct of Corey Webster and DRC off the bat. 507 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: I like it our all quarter century Giants defense. At 508 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: inside linebacker, we got Antonio Pierce, Chase Blackburn. Outside linebackers, 509 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: we got Brian Burns and tys Qanuka, d Lineman, Strahann 510 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Oc and Tuck Safety's atro role Landing Collins and corners, 511 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: DRC and Corey Webster. Let's go, Let's go. It's a 512 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: pretty strong, solid defense. Let's see if the Giants this 513 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: week can play as well as that defense would. Giants 514 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: Niners Sunday at MetLife Stadium. Let's get a little over 515 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: under to end the show here, starting with the Giants defense. Uh, sidetack, 516 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: I'll start with you on this one. Giants defense over 517 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: under two sacks Sunday against the Niners. 518 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 4: I am gonna go with over even though you know 519 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 4: Mac Jones, since he's been starting, he's only been sacked 520 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: more than twice in two of the I believe six 521 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 4: games he's played in, so it hasn't happened too often. 522 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 4: But if the Giants are gonna have any chance at 523 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 4: winning this game, it's gonna you know, they're gonna really 524 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 4: need the defense to step up in a big way, 525 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: and more so in the run game than the past game. 526 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 4: But still, you know, this vaunted defensive line, we still 527 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 4: have not seen them really get like fully unleashed yet 528 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 4: this season. I think they're gonna firing up going over 529 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 4: all right, cas see. 530 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 5: Us, Yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. That's the 531 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: one thing that you can take away from this Giants defense. 532 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 5: They figure out a way, somehow, some way to get 533 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 5: to the quarterback. And of course we talked about Brian Burns. Man, 534 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 5: he just I mean, he fell into a sack last week. 535 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 5: But you know, I think that's the consistency with this uh, 536 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 5: with this team, that their defensive line can figure out 537 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 5: a way to get to the quarterback. 538 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 2: All right, Russ, Yeah, I'd have to go over as well. 539 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: I mean again, I've said it throughout this hangout. I'm 540 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: just concerned about stopping the runs. I'm just concerned stopping 541 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: a run. But if they do that, then then whoever's 542 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 2: the quarterback is going to have to drop back and 543 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: throw and that's gonna, you know, set them up for 544 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: a sack. So I'll go with everybody and go with 545 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: the over. 546 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: I'll take the over as well, and I'll sprinkle it 547 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: a little extra bonus. I'm gonna give Brian Burns two sacks. 548 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: We've seen him do it multiple times this season. 549 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 5: He's on it. 550 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Let's go and get it. His career high is twelve 551 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: and a half in a season. He's at ten through 552 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: eight weeks. Let's stock him all right over under two 553 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: and a half total touchdowns for Jackson Dart that's rushing 554 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: or passing. Russ, what he. 555 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: Said two and a half. Yeah, I'm over. You said 556 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: the numbers two and a half man, I'm gonna go 557 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: with over. But as long as it's rushing and passing, 558 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: yeah yeah, because. 559 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 6: He is sake, I gotta go over to. I just 560 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 6: see Jackson man. He's such a playmaker guys man. 561 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 5: He's he finds the guys man, and you know he's 562 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 5: willing to take the ball. 563 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 6: Down and run it itself too. 564 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 5: So that gives me the extra like incentive to say, 565 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: all right, if he only has two passing, he'll probably 566 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 5: have an additional one rushing too, So especially with Scottaboo 567 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 5: not being there. 568 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I'm gonna go over as well. I originally 569 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: was leading towards under because as impressive as he's been, 570 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 4: he's actually only had more than two and a half 571 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 4: total touchdowns once in his five starts, and that was 572 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 4: that Broncos game. However, as JC just mentioned, no Scataboo, 573 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 4: I think when they get close to the goal line, 574 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 4: it could be Jackson keeping it himself just get into 575 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 4: the end zone. So I think I agree with jac 576 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 4: completely two passing one on the ground and get to three. 577 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: I could see maybe one passing one on the ground 578 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 1: and then maybe another one. He better call Tyrone, you know, Tracy, 579 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: let's get get a little rik abad do on the 580 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: speakers of MetLife. I don't know who who do we 581 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: gotta call to get that in. We'll see, But Tyrone 582 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: Tracy I could see getting in the end zone this 583 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: week too, making a comeback. Finally, speaking of Tyrone, Tracy 584 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: over under sixty yards rushing for Tyrone because see is 585 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: what you got. 586 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 5: I want to go over here. But I do see 587 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 5: Devin Singletary getting in the mix a little bit. You know, 588 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 5: you can't take away from Motor. I've said this to you, 589 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 5: Madden so many times that we spoke about him. I 590 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 5: think he's underrated. I think they can rely on him. 591 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 5: He's been in the league a long time. He's a 592 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 5: career four yard a rush, you know, for his career, 593 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 5: and I just think he might take away a little 594 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 5: bit of carriage that we think Tracy might get. So 595 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go under side tech. 596 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go under as well. The forty nine 597 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 4: ers have been pretty strong against the run, you know, 598 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: they haven't let too many running backs really go off 599 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 4: against them. As jac just mentioned, I think Singletary is 600 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 4: gonna have a good role. If this was total yards 601 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: from scrimmage, I would say all over because I think 602 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: he agree with that. Matt three plus receptions, they're gonna 603 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 4: lean on him in the short pass game. But purely 604 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 4: rushing yards, I think under sixty for Tracy Rush. 605 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: That's a good number. I'm gonna go over. 606 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: I just I like, you know, I didn't know what 607 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: I was gonna get from Tracy, but I was I pressed. 608 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: I think I'll go with the over. 609 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: And since we're talking about Singletary, I just want to 610 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: give kudos to Singletary because I took shots at people 611 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: before for not making plays catching a ball. One guy 612 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: who made a big time play catching the ball was 613 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: Singletary huge. I mean, behind the guy ball about to 614 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: go to the ground. 615 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 3: That's what you gotta do. 616 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: You gotta win the battle. So let's make sure they 617 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: win the battles this week. 618 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 6: Yeah like it, Rush, I like it Rush. 619 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 3: That was a big time play. 620 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Fingertips, And unfortunately for the Giants, with so many other 621 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: let's call them storylines from that game, that catch and 622 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: that moment was really kind of fell down the total pole. 623 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: But Russ, thank you for bringing that up. Because that 624 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: is a little bit more attention the way that he 625 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: was able, I mean the low point, incredible play from 626 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: the vet. I'm gonna though, I'm gonna go with the 627 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: over on sixty yards rushing. I'm gonna give him sixty 628 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: one yards. Price is right rules. Let's get Tyrone Tracy 629 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: sixty one yards. I think he'll get at least like 630 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: one chunk play on the day and then a couple 631 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: other you know, little bit here, a little bit there, 632 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: stack them, but you got to establish the run, keep 633 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: this offense going. Giants Niners Sunday, one pm at MetLife Stadium, 634 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Week nine. Let's roll. That's a wrap for our Week 635 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: nine Giants Hangout, brought to you by Creshtrawn for Matt Sidetech, 636 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: Russ Salzburg and the Super Bowl champ Jonathan Casius at 637 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: Madeline Burke. Will see you next time.