1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to you stuff you should 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: know from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: is Charles W. Chuck Bryant, which makes this stuff you 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: should know. Heck no, we won't go. Heck no, we 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: won't record. That's more along the lines of what we're 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: talking about better paper podcasters. Yeah, as a matter of fact, 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: we could get together with like Adam Curry and um 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and maybe even Ira and form like some 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: sort of local He would be our Jimmy Hoffa. Ira 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: would be Is it a threat? No? Are you threatening? 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: I glad I know he would be our Jimmy. He 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: would make things happen. James P. Hoff Uh, the one 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: that the current team's church president. Either one I'm not 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: saying get rid of him burying a giant stadium from saying, 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: IRA would make it happen. He would break legs. It 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: need be. There's a leg breaking goon. Um. So for 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: those of you who have already seen the title of 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: this you are you are you understand the banter? I 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: guess if you have no idea what we're talking about, 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: I'll bet you guessed by now that we're talking about 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: labor unions. It's a good one man, that we had 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: this request a lot last year from when the whole 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Scott Walker things, I know, and we're just now 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: getting to it because the Scott Walker thing is like 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: my intro. Well, let's hear it. So do you remember 28 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: last year in Wisconsin. Yes, there was this big hubbub 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: that was going on. A lot of people were wondering 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: if this is going to be like the beginning of 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: the Arab Spring in the United States. This is going 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: to be the flash point for it because Governor Scott 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: Walker was accused of trying to deunionize the public sector 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: employees State Employees UM through a little bit of legislation 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: that he was trying to introduce. That is very true, 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: and it caused quite a stir like thousands of protesters. Yeah, 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: there was some serious protests going on UM and at 38 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: the heart of this whole thing was some legislation where 39 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: he was trying to get the public sector employees unions 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: UM to get their union members e g. The public 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: or i e. The public sector employees I E means 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: that is e g is for example. But I realized 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: that uh, to basically pay in half of their pensions, UM, 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: to give up some other concessions like um, if they 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: were going to get a raise, it had to be 46 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: through public referendum. Yeah, anything over the rate of inflation, 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: I think yeah, UM. But probably the biggest one was 48 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: that they were stripped of their ability to collectively bargain. 49 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: And it worked, it got pushed through, and now if 50 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: you are a state employee union member in Wisconsin, you 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: can't collectively bargain anymore, which means you are effectively neutered 52 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: as a union member. In a lot of ways. That 53 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: is one of the hallmarks of the unions. And depending 54 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: on where you come from, what you believe who raised you, 55 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: whether or not your grandpa was still alive when you 56 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: were old enough to understand what he was talking about, 57 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: UM that. I think that largely depends on how you 58 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: feel about unions. A lot of people think they're a 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: good thing. A lot of people think they're bad. A 60 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: lot of people think they're necessary, A lot of people 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: think they're evil. A lot of people think they're necessary evil, 62 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: and in fact they're kind of America as it stands 63 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: as kind of split down the middle these days. A 64 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: pew pole that was taken during this whole bub in Wisconsin, 65 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: UM showed that of Americans had a positive view of 66 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: organized labor, which I found surprising. You thought that was high, Yeah, 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised because the the decline of 68 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: union has also been attended by a change in perception 69 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: towards them, you know, like they're kind of bad, or 70 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: that they hamstring business is another big one. UM. But 71 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: they also found that still believe unions are needed to 72 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: improve working people's lives so necessary. Evil. I nailed it, 73 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: you did, And unsurprisingly, a lot of times your feelings 74 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: on unions are drawn along political lines these days. They're 75 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: often expecially of being like the an organizing backbone for 76 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Sure, but that's not always true, Like 77 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: very frequently unions throw their waiting their support behind Republicans 78 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: as well. At any rate, let's get to the bottom 79 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: of what all this is. Are our unions good? We're 80 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: probably going to avoid this kind of qualitative descriptor and 81 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: instead just kind of stick to the facts and let 82 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 1: the people decide. Power to the people to decide whether 83 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: unions are good or not. I think that's a good move. Josh. Uh, 84 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: So we got stats. We'll get to those later unions josh. Uh. 85 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: Industrial revolution is kind of where actually we go back further, 86 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: which we will with what medieval times. Yeah, the the 87 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: trade guilds. Trade guilds sort of where the beginnings seeds 88 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: of unions and uh. They originally sort of came about 89 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: though just too uh swap techniques and recipes and uh. 90 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: Then that sort of evolved a bit into hey, why 91 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: don't we get together and also share aside from our knowledge, 92 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: get together and maybe share expertise on how to how 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: to do things better and get better wages maybe or 94 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: fixed prices. That's one before they figured out that that 95 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: was um, immoral. This is medieval Europe a long time ago. Yeah. Uh. 96 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: And the trade guilds, um, we're definitely the origin of unions. 97 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of workers getting together and figuring 98 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: out because it is essentially what a union is that 99 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: they have um more strength than numbers, um. And it's 100 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: also an indication of workers understanding their value in the 101 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: production process that what they're essentially doing in return for 102 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: their salary was producing a profit. For business. Do you 103 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: have labor in business? Right? And UM, that gives them 104 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: a certain sense of value, whereas UH, and a lot 105 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: of situations, workers feel like, you know, they're very grateful 106 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: for their job and they don't want to make any 107 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: waves or anything like that, and they're not fully aware 108 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: of their value UM and unions. One of the roles 109 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: that unions plays to point out to a worker, Hey, 110 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: you're doing something in return. This isn't some sort of 111 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: welfare situation that you're involved in. You're producing labor and 112 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: that has value and certain rights as well. Exactly. All right, 113 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: So flash forward a bit to the Industrial Revolution nineteenth century. Uh, 114 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: things moved away a little bit from agriculture. UH, and 115 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: agricultural jobs moved into the factories, as we all know, 116 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: and kind of right off the bat, factories weren't a 117 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: good scene for fair wages and safe conditions and kids 118 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: working in factories and women and children not being paid 119 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: as much as men. Um. Triangle shirtwaist fire. That was 120 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: a big turning point. What was the triangle shirtwaist company 121 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: fire where the working conditions were really really dangerous? That 122 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: it was a clothing company, clothing manufacturer, I think in 123 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: Chicago or New York, I can't remember. Um, and it 124 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: caught fire, the factory did because there was all this 125 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: fabric in the air and it just ignited in the 126 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: whole place went up and all of these women had 127 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: to jump to their deaths. And UM, that kind of 128 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: brought in, brought working conditions into a limelight and help 129 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: the union. Um sentiment. I guess a flash point if 130 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: you will, exactly from your favorite Mr Cladwell the heath 131 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: flash point, tipping point, tipping point, good lord, get it together, Chuck, okay, 132 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: I've got it together now, tipping point. I had to 133 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: take a little break. Uh. In the nineteenth century, they 134 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: would do things called striking. Yeah, they still do today, 135 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: but back then it was a more uh contentious and 136 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: violent affair than it is today. Like people died, bombs 137 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: went off, guns were shot. There was and it was 138 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: on both sides too, I mean, like the workers were striking. 139 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: The point was the whole was the same, where we're 140 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: not working anymore and you're not going to make any 141 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: money because we're not producing the product that you need 142 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: to go sell. Right. Um. But during these times, like 143 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: the National Guard would show up, or um, the cops 144 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: would show up, or maybe the Pinkerton Detective Agency would 145 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: show up and just start beating the tar out of 146 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: the striking workers in order to scare them back into working. Uh. 147 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: Workers also would um defend themselves. Uh. There was this one. 148 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember what strik it was. I just read 149 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: about it, where like the workers managed to like chase 150 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the cops off because they were they were shooting two 151 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: pound hinges in these oversized sling shots like at the cops. 152 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: And I can imagine getting hit by a two pound hinge. 153 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: Was a hinge factory, I had to have them. But yeah, 154 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: so the strikes were very violent. People like you said, 155 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: would die and the cops like why couldn't the cotton 156 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: ball factory had been Uh but not funny though, because 157 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: people did die. Uh, not making light of it. Like 158 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: at the Haymarket riot for incidents for incidents, that was 159 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: a big one for instance. That was a turning point, 160 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: a flash point, if you will. It was early May, um, 161 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: there was a nationwide strike saying we only want to 162 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: work eight hours a day. Um, And in Chicago's Haymarket 163 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: there was a violent protest. UM. Not a lot of 164 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: people were there because the weather, thank goodness, because someone 165 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: threw a bomb into the crowd. Yeah, went off, and 166 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: shots were fired by the cops, maybe by the protesters. 167 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: Probably they were not just striking labors, but they were 168 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: anarchists there, and uh, you know this anarchist their trouble. Well, Um, 169 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: this is one of the places where in the public 170 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: imagination at least that anarchists and socialists became married to 171 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: labor like pro labor. Um, and it's always kind of 172 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: haunted labor unions. Is that idea? But it was born 173 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: out of this era, if not this riot, I'm sure. Uh. 174 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: In the end, eight people were charged and convicted. Um. 175 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: The labor leaders tried to get them out, saying this 176 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: is not fair. One of the people committed suicide by 177 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: placing a stick of dynamite in his mouth in prison, 178 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: and uh. In the end, in a few years later, 179 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: the governor of Illinois granted a full pardon to the 180 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: remaining three convicted, and that ended up leading to an 181 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: observance of May Day or Labor Day in other countries. Right, 182 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: May first, it is supposed to be labor Day. Um. 183 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: This whole affair, though, you left out that four of 184 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: the guys who were convicted were hanged, and then one 185 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: guy committed suicide, and then three were but they were 186 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: charged with like basically agitating violence. Um. This was back 187 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: when free speech wasn't protected quite as much as it 188 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: is out right. Um. But the they and they were 189 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: pardoned and as a result, this whole Mayday thing, this 190 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: Labor Day thing, came up about in May one. But 191 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: then within like five years Grover Cleveland was like, well, 192 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: this is kind of a sordid, like scary association with labor. 193 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Let's just celebrate labor and I'm going to move it to. 194 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: Um the first Saturday, now, the first Monday, Monday in September, 195 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: it was Saturday, be no good, wouldn't get off work? Exactly? Uh? 196 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: Did he move it to to disassociate from that? Interesting specifically, 197 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: So that's why you can't wear white after September September exactly. 198 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: That's exactly the origin of that. All right, So maybe 199 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the basics of a labor union, josh. Um. 200 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: There's many different kinds, and like you said, it's all 201 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: about strength and numbers to get together to form what's 202 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: called a bargaining unit um with an elected leader to 203 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: deal with the employer right, because I mean, think about it. 204 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: If you are, if you have somebody who's advocating for 205 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: your success, for your rights, higher wages, better conditions, whatever 206 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: it might be. Um, you are removing yourself to a 207 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: certain extent from that negotiation. So it's a little less 208 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: sticky for you because you're not talking to your employer. 209 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: You're not saying, I really want some more money. Somebody 210 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: else is going These guys are making a bunch of 211 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: money for you, and you need to share it a 212 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: little better like an agent exactly right in a way. 213 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: And at the same time, you also have that element 214 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: of that bargaining unit being a collective bargaining unit, meaning 215 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: there's that strengthen numbers, so it's a bunch of people 216 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: becoming satisfied at the same time. And implied in there 217 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: is if you don't do this, then you're gonna lose 218 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of people all at once and you're gonna 219 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: have some trouble. Right And Uh, they do this uh 220 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: agreement in the form of the c b A collective 221 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: bardying Agreement, and any fan of any professional sports will 222 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: understand what a c b A is and how tinuous 223 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: they can be. Uh. Once you have negotiated this agreement, 224 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: and everyone on the employer sizes, you know, we can 225 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: live with these terms. And everyone on the employee side said, yeah, 226 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: we can live with this. We both give a little bit. 227 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: They sign it, and uh, it is set for a 228 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: certain period of time and you cannot break the c 229 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: BA on either side without there being legal action or 230 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: grievance is filed, which usually means an arbitrator will come 231 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: in and say, you know, let me get involved. UM. 232 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: You I feel like just hit the nail on the head. Though, 233 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: for an ideal union presence in business, everyone give a 234 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: little you know, you can't have UM too much for 235 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: on one side or the other. But I think that 236 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of the history of UM. The presence of 237 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: unions in business in America, it's been If you look 238 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: over time, it's maybe even down, but if you look 239 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: at in any specific decade, it's more on one side 240 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: than the other as far as who's in the beneficial 241 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: position or who's asking more, who's extracting more? Like UM. 242 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: Samuel Gompers, who who got together the American Federation of Labor, 243 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: I think when he was asked what the a f 244 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: L wanted, his answer was more. Yeah. Yeah, but at 245 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: the same time you have to say, well, business isn't 246 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: gonna just say just give it away. Very rarely do they. Um. 247 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: The whole presence of unions is to extract that. At 248 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: least that was the original idea of them. Yeah, you know. Uh, unions, 249 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: like any organization, costs a little money to run. Um, 250 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: so you have to pay dues. It's a membership thing. Um. 251 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: If I was in the Screen Actors Guilled, which I'm not, 252 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: I would pay dues to the Screen Actors Guilled every 253 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: year to keep my membership current and then they would 254 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: go fight for me and they would have a staff 255 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: that gets paid out of that money. Um. I love 256 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: in here that this is dues vary, but many are 257 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: around fifty dollars a month. What a deal? Yeah, I 258 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: think it's it's completely varies depending on what union you're in. 259 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that you can put an average number, 260 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: or maybe you can if you average it, well, if 261 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: you counted them all up. And I don't think that's 262 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: what they did here. Um, it was fifty dollars a month. Um. 263 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: Act Now. Uh. They're also supposed to be democracies with 264 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: elected officials, elected leaders who UM take action based on 265 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: referendums and votes and basically just using UM voting to 266 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: take the pulse of the union members to see what 267 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: they want to do. Ideally, that's how it works. Yeah, 268 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: I get the feeling that doesn't always work that way 269 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: throughout history. Yeah, especially once the mob got involved, which 270 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: we'll get to UM a lot of times. You can 271 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: be uh local union member, which is sort of like 272 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: being a fraternity member of a larger national charter. Uh. 273 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: And if you're a local union, that means that you 274 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: maybe work in that same business sector, but you're employed 275 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: by a different company. But it's like, hey, I'm in 276 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: the and I keep going back to film business stuff 277 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: because they were lousy with unions still are like hey, 278 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm I work in the art department. I'm a prop 279 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: sky so I'm a member of the local I can't 280 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: remember the number union here in Atlanta, but it's a 281 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: national charter probably pushed out of l A, not mistaken. 282 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: It's like UM, a chapter of a fraternity or a sorority. Yeah, 283 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: which is what I said. Yeah, did you say fraternity 284 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: a sorority? No, you didn't, that's a fraternity. You didn't. 285 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: You didn't add sorority. No, no, good point authorities as well, chuck, Um, 286 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: what's the point of all this? I think we've kind 287 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: of touched on a little bit of it, like and 288 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: especially in the strength and numbers thing. But there's other 289 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: benefit it's too being in a union. Correct. Yeah. Um, 290 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: should we throw out some stats here? I think this 291 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: is high time for stats. Your wages, For one, your 292 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: median weekly income, it's gonna be as a union member, 293 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: about nine hundred and forty dollars. Uh, it's gonna be 294 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: about seven hundred and thirty dollars if you're non union. UM, 295 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: let me see her. You've got some about healthcare? Correct? Oh? Yeah, 296 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: So eight eight percent of union workers and this is 297 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: from the Department of Labor. This isn't like from the 298 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: A F L C, I O or anything. UM percent 299 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: of UM union workers have health coverage. Of non union 300 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: workers don't do. UM. It's the same with dental plans 301 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: and the disparities even more pent of non union workers 302 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: have dental plans, where something like sixty six percent have 303 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: a dental plan. If you're a member of a union, UM, 304 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: half of union jobs have vision yeah coverage, and only 305 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: about a quarter of non union jobs, UH have it, 306 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: which in reading this also I was kind of like, man, 307 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: we have pretty good benefits here Discovery. Yeah, we do. 308 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, if you're a minority, if you're a woman, 309 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: African American or Latino, you're gonna make more money. Women 310 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: earn about nine thousand more a year if you're in 311 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: a union, African Americans eight thousand more year, and Latinos 312 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: close to twelve thousand more year if you're a union member. 313 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: So aside from uh, safe working conditions and health insurance 314 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: and things like that, which are great, wages are really 315 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: the big deal, right Wages benefits UM pensions are another 316 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: huge um and they're also there to um protect workers 317 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: from being unjustly fired. So like we're non union and 318 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: we could if somebody could come in here and say, 319 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: you know what, I didn't the way that you looked 320 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: at your boss. I saw you scowling. You're fired. You're fired, 321 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: you're fired, you're fired. And we'd be like, you can't 322 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: do that, and they'd be like, oh, yes we can, 323 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: and that would be that right. Um. There was like 324 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: a big hubbub in Florida about some uh some workers 325 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: that all wore orange either depending on who you ask 326 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: because they were all going happy already together that night, 327 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: or because they were um simulating a prisoner garb to 328 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: um protest the working conditions at this law firm, which 329 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: is really what they were doing, and like twelve of 330 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: them were fired. They were just taking into a conference 331 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: room and the guy was like, you're all fired and 332 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: that's that. And they're like, you can't fire us for 333 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: wearing an orange shirt, and actually, yes, very much so. 334 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: The since it's a work right to work state or 335 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: an at will work state right to work um, the 336 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: the the the employer very much can fire you for 337 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: wearing something that's seemingly arbitrary, is wearing orange. If you're 338 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: a union member, that is not the case. The union 339 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: protects you from unjust dismissal and basically you if you 340 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: feel like you've been fired for wearing orange, you can 341 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: go to your union rep and a big stink comes about. 342 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: That's another big one is protecting them. But I also 343 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: feel like here is a good point to mention a 344 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: lot of the criticisms of unions because that same protection 345 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: from unjust dismissal um Unions are frequently criticized for that 346 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: extending to workers who perform poorly, if like, it's part 347 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: of that give I think with unions among labor to say, okay, 348 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: yes we're gonna protect you, but you have to be productive, 349 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: or you have to be good at your job or whatever. Right, 350 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: don't hide under the shield of the union just to 351 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: go phone in your your job every day and collect 352 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: your paycheck exactly and you know, flaunt that protect action. 353 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: That's not what it's there for. UM. Another big criticism 354 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: is that union, just the presence of unions in any 355 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: country harms economic progress on the whole by hamstringing business 356 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: and making it less competitive among countries that don't have unions. UM. 357 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: And so for states that have state employee unions, a 358 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: big one is that UM, state employee pensions can be 359 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: a drain on UM tight state economies. Uh. That's another 360 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: big one too. So there's criticisms of unions that are 361 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: very legitimate true, But again I think it comes down to, 362 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: like where your political affiliation is. Well, yeah, I mean 363 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: these days, UH, Republicans are more likely to not be 364 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: in favor of unions, and they have consistently been called 365 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: the backbone of the Democratic Party. That wasn't always the case, though, 366 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: UM in nineteen fifties, h Republican President Dwight Eisenhower UM 367 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: said that you and to have a secure place in 368 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: our industrial life. Only a handful of reactionaries harbor the 369 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: ugly thought of breaking unions and depriving working men and 370 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: women of the right to join the union of their choice. 371 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: And also throughout history, unions have kind of dabbled outside 372 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: their own labor negotiations and protection to fight for things 373 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: like UH medicare, social security, civil rights. Civil rights is 374 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: a big one. UM. I think Missouri Congressman Richard Boeling 375 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: said quote, we would have never passed the Civil Rights 376 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: Act without labor. They had the muscle. The other civil 377 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: rights groups did not. So there, you know, you don't 378 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: want to see anyone's strong arm, but there is certainly 379 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: something to be said for strength and numbers, especially when 380 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: it comes to something like the Civil Rights Act. UM. 381 00:23:53,800 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: The who was Eisenhower who had that quote about union rights. UM. 382 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: Eisenhower's speaking at a time that was just after the 383 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: peak of union membership. In ve UM, thirty five of 384 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: all non agricultural workers, which is like everybody but farmers, 385 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: UM belonged to unions. Now it's down to eleven point 386 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: eight percent. Yeah, and UM the public sector thirty seven percent. 387 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: But where they're really getting hurt is the private sector. 388 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: Less than seven percent of the private sector is unionized 389 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: these days. And there's a lot of people that, UH say, 390 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the problems that we have in Washington 391 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: and a lot of the financial troubles we've had in 392 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: this country have been to a certain degree, UM because 393 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: of the non unionizing of like the rust belt in 394 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: the private sector. So UM to sociologist Bruce Western and 395 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: Jake Rosenfeld actually wrote a paper that said that, UM, 396 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: the decline of organized labor unions UM from the nineteen 397 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: seventies on can account for as much as a third 398 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: of them increase in UH income inequality in the US, 399 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: which has been significant, And they can attribute a third 400 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: of that increase just to the decline of labor. Well, 401 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: and I think it also coincided with in the nineteen seventies. UH. 402 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: Some say that big business really went hard at Washington 403 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: for the not for the first time, but in a 404 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: way that they never had before, and that changed the 405 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: landscape of the distribution of wealth in this country. Yeah, 406 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: and that's a really interesting UM point, Chuck, Like we 407 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: were raised after that period. But so that's just kind 408 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: of like our you know, we The Secret of My 409 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: success or, UM American Psycho, you know, all those great 410 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: movies about the eighties or set in the eighties, Like 411 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: that's just the way it was, like all these like 412 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: you just go after money and like you spend that 413 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: money on cocaine and pinstripe suits, you know, in Maserati's 414 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. And so we were kind of raised 415 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: with that sentiment. But there was a time prior to 416 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies where it was labor who was running 417 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: the charge. It was the unions and they were fully 418 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: in control, and business figured out how to regroup and 419 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: reassert itself. And that's the age that we're in now. UM. 420 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: So back to Eisenhower, though when he was talking, he 421 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: was kind of carrying on a tradition where the U. S. 422 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: Government figured out that Okay, there is a um, there's 423 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: a balance of power that has to be struck between 424 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: labor and business because business is part of this economic engine. 425 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: Labor helps fuel economic engine. But they really kind of 426 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: represent two different sectors of the the US, not just 427 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: economy economy, but the population. And we need to keep 428 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: them happy. We need to strike this balance. So the 429 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: federal government got involved starting in ninety five live with 430 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: the National Labor Relations Act, and they basically said, Okay, 431 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: we can't have strikes where you guys are shooting two 432 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: pound hinges at cops, and we can't have strikes where 433 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: cops are like murdering, uh, striking workers. Let's get to 434 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: the heart of this matter and figure out how to 435 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: strike a happy balance between what labor wants and what 436 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: business wants and progress from there. And it was a 437 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: really smart thing to do, but they figured out that 438 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: it was very much like Homer trying to keep pinching 439 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: lobster alive with the goldfish in that fresh water tank, 440 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, adding salt, adding water, um. And it's been 441 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: that was kind of the mark of the twentieth century 442 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: in an American economic history, was that adding the salt 443 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: and adding the water over time through legislation. Well, in 444 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: the nl R A was like you said, the first one. 445 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: And prior to that they companies didn't even have to 446 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: recognize a union or negotiate with a union leader. So 447 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: this actually require by law that they not necessarily they 448 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: give workers what they want. But they had to at 449 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: least negotiate in good faith and sit down to table 450 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, which effectively said it brought unions out 451 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: of the dark and legalized them and gave them a 452 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: legal voice in legal recourse. That's right. And to enforce that, 453 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: they soon passed the National Labor Relations Board to oversee, 454 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: uh what was going on with n l R A 455 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: and UM. The article points out here that they accomplished 456 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: three things. Um. It allowed workers to have elections to 457 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, elect their own union leaders. UM established laws 458 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: protecting employees from discrimination based on union activity, so like 459 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: are you union, well, we don't want to hire you. 460 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: That kind of thing, or even worse, like in the 461 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: case of Ford Motor Company led Forward Security Wing led 462 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: by Harry Bennett, a two thousand man strong goon squad. 463 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: They used to like beat up workers, beat up like organizers, 464 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: beat up union reps um, and do it like on camera. 465 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: They really were kind of above the law in a 466 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: lot of ways. But this was definitely target that was 467 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: targeted at guys like that for the goons. Yeah. Um, 468 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: and this kind of sneaks by, but important, Uh. An 469 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: important thing to note here is an l R I 470 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: also protected collective bargaining even if you're not in a union, 471 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: and the ability to bargain for better conditions for all workers. 472 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: So I mean it's it's the unions was one of 473 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: the main things. But it protected everybody, but not everybody. 474 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: There are a bunch of groups that were left out 475 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: of this. Agricultural workers UM, domestic service workers UM, federal, 476 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: state and local government employees, which obviously when when a 477 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: different way, UM, railroad and airline employees, that one kind 478 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: of became important. Like we talked about in the air 479 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: traffic control one UM under Reagan when he fired all 480 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: the traffic controllers you know who went on strike. Yeah, 481 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: and that's important. UM. I guess was that the TAFT 482 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: Hartley that ensured yeah, tapped Hartley Act came along in 483 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seven, or the Labor Management Relations Act, and one 484 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: of the important things it did was said, you know what, 485 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: if there's any strike that's gonna put the public health 486 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: and danger, then we can issue an eighty day injunction 487 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: that basically says you cannot strike. And in the case 488 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: of the I guess was did that put the country 489 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: in danger? Necessarily, I put the country's economy and danger. 490 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: But at the same time Reagan didn't have file an 491 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: injunction through the UM relations Board. He fired work. You're 492 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: fired man, that guy, I know? Uh? And what else 493 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: did that? Oh? At the outlawed secondary boycott's the Taft 494 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: Hartley Labor Act, which was a big deal because the 495 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: example they use here in this article is really good. 496 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: Like let's say you're a brewery and you're striking against 497 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: your employer, or you might have a boycott against the 498 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: glass company that makes the beer bottles, just to put 499 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: the strong arm on the company from another direction. And 500 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: you can't do that. It's called the squeeze. Can't do 501 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: the squeeze. You can't as a union, but consumers frequently 502 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: do that kind of It's like UM trying to get 503 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: like Rush Limbaugh off there boycotted a lot of people 504 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: boycotted his UM advertisers until they said, you know what, Okay, 505 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: well we'll stop advertising with him, and then all of 506 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, Russia Limbaugh has the double squeeze on him, 507 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: same with them. I can't remember. There was some special 508 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: interest group, some pack that was getting funding from like McDonald's, Wendy's, 509 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of people and UM because of their alleged 510 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: unfair and um very much pro business only practices. UM, 511 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: like all of these companies is kind of abandoned them recently. 512 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: Really yeah, alec A l EC, I don't remember what 513 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: it stands for. No, no, no, no, okay, you sure? Yes? Uh, 514 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of Josh, what's 515 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: that all about? Well, this was during a time when um, 516 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: the winds had really shifted towards not only the unions 517 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: having the uh, the labor um business under their thumb, 518 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: they also had their union members under their thumb. The 519 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: mob was involved the the democracy um where the democratic 520 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: basis of unions had eroded, and uh, there was a 521 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: lot of shady stuff going on. Um. This what I 522 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: thought was cool was rather than the federal government going, oh, well, 523 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: then we need to re reinvigorate the power given to 524 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: business under these union laws, instead they went and invested 525 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: more power in union members. That's right. Yeah, Like you 526 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: couldn't use union dues anymore to promote one candidate over 527 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: another in the union. For union, the elections were really 528 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: pretty heavily monitored from that point on. Uh, every single 529 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: union member has to be notified by mail at least 530 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: fifteen days before the election, like you can't sneak an 531 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: election by them, which probably used to happen in the 532 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: old days. UM. To to increase transparency in the whole 533 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: union thing, there was a lot of UM disclosure and 534 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: reporting requirements that were added, and not just for the 535 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: unions but for also like employers, consultants. They want to 536 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: know where the money was going and basically they wanted 537 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: to see how the MOB was involved as a big one. Well, 538 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: in speaking of money UM, I don't think we pointed 539 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: out that a lot of times UM unions will have 540 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: strike funds and some of the money that you pay 541 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: into it will actually pay you when you go on 542 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: strike to keep you from going hungry. It's like Affleck. 543 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: You know that Gilbert Godfrey didn't do that anymore. I 544 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: don't think I know. And I wonder how ironic would 545 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: it be if he had Affleck insurance and that it 546 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: kicked in Whence Affleck fired him. Interesting, why do you 547 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: I think he got fired because he wanted too much money? No? No, 548 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: he got fired for making Twitter jokes about UM. The 549 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: Japanese tsunami like the day of Yeah, I thought it 550 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: was a money issue. Yeah, I'm worried about the sense 551 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: of humor in this country in the direction that's going, 552 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: like there's stand up comedians have always almost always been 553 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: allowed to some they're exempted from a lot of the 554 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: standards that average joes are held to, you know, like 555 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: their stand up comedians that's their job. Sometimes they make 556 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: tasteless jokes and all that stuff. Yeah, they'll go over 557 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: the line and they'll just go people go oh, and 558 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: they'll go what too soon? And then right exactly, and 559 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: then people will be like, yes, it is um But 560 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: there seems to be it seems to be open season 561 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: on comedians well because of platforms that they've never had before, 562 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: probably like Twitter. I guess all of a sudden, that's 563 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: like your official statement instead of a joke he made 564 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: or yeah, and the audience is much much wider and 565 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: much more um varied and diverse too. So I beg 566 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: you for god read so pissed off. I would imagine so, 567 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: because I mean, you've got tell me there's like ten 568 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: thou people lining up voice actors to go act for 569 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: a huge page. I think he just made a pretty 570 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: good argument for yourself that wasn't as good as but 571 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: but I mean, and the problem is I realize what's 572 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 1: at risk is you know, cultural sensitivity, even individual sensitivity 573 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: towards people who are going to be offended or hurt, 574 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: but they're also there has to be a balance between 575 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: that and I mean the other thing that that risk 576 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: is like our national sense of humor, which is really important. 577 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: It's one of the things you could be like, well, 578 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: it's just a stupid joke. No, Like our ability to 579 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: take a joke is a very vital and important thing 580 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: about keeping us from like all, you know, killing ourselves 581 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: and stand One of the roles that stand up comedians provide, 582 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: or any kind of comedian provides, is to keep that 583 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: healthy and vital and going agreed, There's nothing more of 584 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: a turn off to me than when you see a 585 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: humorless celebrity, like when Ricky Gervais is doing a thing 586 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: in the Golden Clubes and you see like the people 587 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: out there that just are offended by this. I'm like, 588 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: come on, man, yeah, I don't know. I I think 589 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: for yourself, I can see Ricky Gervais being We'll make 590 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: him the sacrificial lamp leak over God for you alone. 591 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: You know, man, that was a sidebar, Yes, it was. 592 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: Are we talking about labor unions. I don't remember labor 593 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: unions today, Josh, you mentioned the a f l C 594 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: I Oh. Um, A lot of people might not know 595 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: that that is actually a collection to labor federation made 596 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: up of fifty four member unions ten million strong. That's 597 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people change to win as sort of 598 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: a new one two thousand five, it was formed, but 599 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: it isn't also a labor federation encompassing seven unions in 600 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: six million workers. Yeah. The A f L that was 601 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: founded by Samuel Gompers who I mentioned earlier, and he 602 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: got some cigar makers and some other industrial laborers together 603 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: to form that. And then that was in the late 604 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: nineteenth century, and I can't remember exactly when, but maybe 605 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: in the forties of the fifties. Uh. He got together 606 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: with the c I O to form the a f 607 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: l C I oh because he loves cigars. U A 608 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: W is a huge one. Autoworkers. Yeah, they have something 609 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: like um one point four million members. Uh No, I'm sorry. 610 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: The Teamsters has one point four million members and they're 611 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: the ones who are probably the most well known by 612 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: the average job thanks to one Jimmy Hoffa. Do you 613 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: know his story? A little bit here there. Um. The 614 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: whole mob involvement I think with them, with any union 615 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: was they really is that there's a bunch of guys 616 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: UM who are sitting on enormous piles of money and 617 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: let's see how much of that we can steal or 618 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: get their hands on or used to build ourselves casinos. 619 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: And Jimmy Hoffa was in with these guys and he 620 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 1: just went missing right in. Yeah. I mean, I don't 621 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: think it's any secret what happened to him, but they 622 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: definitely don't know exactly what happened. And that's the whole point, 623 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: Wasn't it was a secret what happened to Well, he 624 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: was snuffed out. Oh I don't. I don't think he 625 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, I just had a heart attack while hiking 626 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: in the wilderness and his body decomposed naturally. Well, he 627 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: was supposedly going. He was last seen waiting on to 628 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: mafia associates. It's kind of good giveaway too. But his son, 629 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: James P. Hoffa Um has really kind of brought the 630 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: family name back tremendously. He's the head of the Teamsters today. 631 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: R Yes he is. He's the president of the Teamsters 632 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: Union UM and is doing a lot of work toward 633 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: um relegitimizing um unions again country, which is pretty cool. Well, 634 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: anyone who's ever been on a film set and has 635 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: seen a two hundred and seventy five pound man eating 636 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: a doughnut sitting in his truck, you can say I've 637 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: met a teamster, and they they do great work, and 638 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: they're basically there's a I can't remember the number, but 639 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: they're there. If you're an industrial worker, you're basically eligible 640 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: to be a teamster, and in just about any kind 641 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: of industry. I'm gonna get hate mail for that. Oh 642 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: you'll be fine. There's like two guys that you described 643 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: who listened to this podcast, so you get two pieces 644 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,479 Speaker 1: of hate mail. If I was a teamster, I would 645 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: do nothing but listen to this podcast because you're just 646 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: sitting a rapp That's not true. Teams do great work, 647 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: but on film sets is sort of the old joke 648 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: is that like they'll park the truck and then they 649 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: sit in it until they leave. In the truck, you 650 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: know them that There was another since reference just came 651 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: up with them. The one where that film for Radioactive 652 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: Man comes to town and Homer tries to see who 653 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 1: can out lazy, the teamsters, good stuff. That is just 654 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: a stereotype. Although yeah, but stereotypes are there for a reason, right, 655 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: has not funny? Isn't that funny? What else? I don't 656 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: have anything else? You get anything else? Um? No, I 657 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: guess I think we covered pretty much everything. Yeah, it's 658 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: a nice broad overview of people can and like you 659 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: said early on, man, you hit it on the head, 660 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: my friend, whether or not you are pro union or 661 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: anti union largely depends on your family's background. Yeah, it's 662 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: a it's a very tried and true a thing through 663 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: through families, through generations that you know, people feel very 664 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: strongly about it that are involved in unions or like 665 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: my actually my parents were in the teachers union. Oh yeah, yeah, 666 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: you're a union kid. Huh. Yeah, But that that wasn't 667 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: like factory stuff, Like I never heard them besides complaining 668 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: about not making up money, which every teacher should complain about. Um. 669 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: And if you don't have any kind of passionate feelings 670 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: about it whatsoever, I would advise you to look into it. Yeah. 671 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: And if you do have passionate feelings about it, I 672 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: think a great exercise would be to explore how the 673 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: other side sees it and see if it changes your 674 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,919 Speaker 1: mind one way or the other. Look at you. Um, 675 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: you can do that by reading this fascinating article that 676 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: we just based this podcast on, Um, how unions work. 677 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 1: You can type in the search bar at house tofforce 678 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: dot com. You can also go into WAPO. There was 679 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: a pretty cool um editorial. That's the Washington Post. By 680 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: the way. That's right, Um, the Wisconsin union fight isn't 681 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: about benefits, it's about labor's influence. From March six eleven. 682 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 1: That's a good article. That was a good article too. 683 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: And I already said search bar, which means it's time 684 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: for a listener mail. You know, our buddy Joe Garden 685 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: was he's a scanni. He was really upset last year. 686 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: You can tell you you can see right through his skin. 687 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 1: He's so pale, he's translucent. Vote Joe Garden, big craftwork guy. 688 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh did he get tickets? No? He did a h 689 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: He promoted his own craft work. Um, I believe it 690 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: was a craftwork covers show and he got different bands 691 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: to come and play craft work. And his big deal 692 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: for Joe was it was awesome. He wore like white 693 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: suit and introduced everyone that is sweet. When was that 694 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: very recently? Did you see footage of her? Were you there? No? 695 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: He was just he wouldn't shut up about on Facebook 696 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: and even admitted like, guys, I know you're tired of 697 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,479 Speaker 1: hearing about craftwork. That is significant Joe. Um. Yeah. There's 698 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: also I guess kind of in with the music sampling episode, 699 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: there's I think a DJ Food or a DJ Shadow 700 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: I think DJ Food Um craftwork cover mix. Yeah, there's 701 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: like maybe three volumes of it, and it's like just 702 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: mixing together all these people who were like sampled craft 703 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: work for those songs. Yeah. They just did a big 704 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: thing at the some museum MoMA. Yeah. Yeah, oh my god. 705 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: We you mean I tried very hard to get those tickets. 706 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: Did you try? Dude? It was such cluster. I'm not 707 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: into craftwork and this solidifies it when I saw the 708 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 1: reviews of it and it said they did like a 709 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: twenty one minute of auto ban and I was just like, 710 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: somebody put a gun to my head. Are you just 711 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: supposed to zone out and forget where you are for 712 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: a little bit where I'm not a craf work guy, 713 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: but I know people are. People don't know I'm not 714 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,720 Speaker 1: a craft work guy. Either like um, but I will 715 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: say that like that would have been just a momentous, 716 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: just a momentous thing to see MoMA in this pretty 717 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: much Okay, like the Tupac hologram. I'm sure seeing that 718 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: at coache it was just amazing. Yeah, and a bet 719 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: way more amazing for some people than others even. All Right, 720 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: So should I read a listener mail? I guess I'm 721 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: gonna call this a good cause. We like to promote 722 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: these and attach it to our Labor Union episode. How appropriate, 723 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: big big fan, guys, I was just down at south 724 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: By Southwest where I caught your variety show and shook 725 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: your surprisingly supple hands. I also, I know I also 726 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: sat on a panel called Harnessing the Power of the 727 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: Benevolent Internet, something you guys, seem pretty skilled at yourselves, 728 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: which is why I thought you might be game to 729 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: help students across the country learn all sorts of stuff 730 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,439 Speaker 1: they should know, in many cases, of stuff they need 731 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: to know. I work for a nonprofit website called donors 732 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,439 Speaker 1: Choose dot org, where anyone with a dollar can give 733 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: support to classrooms and need. Teachers from all fifty states 734 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: post request for resources they feel their students need and 735 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: kind folks from all over the world help bring those 736 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: lessons to life. It's cool. It sounds almost really like 737 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: a Kiva for teachers. I need tickets to craft working well. 738 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: Since our founding in two thousand, we've delivered over a 739 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: hundred and ten million dollars of resources directly to public 740 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: school classrooms, supporting more than six million students. Uh. And 741 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: if you or my fellow listeners would like to help 742 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: you or my fellow listeners. You have listeners, fellow listeners. Okay, 743 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: we have listeners. That listener has fellow listens. Check out 744 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: the page I set up. He set up a page 745 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: with our name, and I was like, that's cool, you 746 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: can do that, but we're not, like, we can't officially, 747 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: like sign on because then it has to go through 748 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: corporate and all that stuff. Oh oh, I already signed 749 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 1: us on officially made T shirts and it didn't. So 750 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 1: you can go to donors choose dot org slash stuff 751 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: kids should know and um let me know if you 752 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: have any questions. And this is from Zach and he said, 753 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 1: by the way, we recently hired a system admin a 754 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: couple of months back. Drove me crazy for a few weeks. 755 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,439 Speaker 1: Then I realized he sounds exactly like Josh, and he said, 756 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,879 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed working with you. Josh. Who is the other 757 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: voice double for me? There's another person that was some dude. Well, 758 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: there's a writer that writes about running. He wrote one 759 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: thing about running one Clark and have been asked five 760 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: times if it was me? What's ironic? Now? I actually run? 761 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,240 Speaker 1: You should write your own orgicle. Um, I can't remember. 762 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: There was some other voice person that did like hike 763 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:40,240 Speaker 1: videos or something. I don't remember. Yeah, well, if okay, 764 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: who is that that was Zach? Donors choose dot org 765 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: slash kids stuff kids should know. Donors choose dot org 766 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: slash stuff kids should know. Indeed, Uh, if you have 767 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: a great charitable organization you want to us to let 768 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: everybody know about again, We're always happy to do that. 769 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 1: And if I sound like somebody, let me know because 770 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: it's driving me crazy. Who it is. I've heard from 771 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: like a bunch of people. You sound just like this 772 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,399 Speaker 1: or whatever? Yeah? Remember? Or I want to hear from 773 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,240 Speaker 1: people who have um actively been on a worker strike, 774 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: or if you have been a scab as they called them, 775 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: and been a strike buster, or if you've ever been 776 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: beaten up by the cops. We want to hear about 777 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: that too, Yes, and anarchists, any anarchists out there, We're 778 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: always interested in hearing from anarchists. I guess I got 779 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 1: shipped down by the cops and happens one night. If 780 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: you get beat up their difference. No, but they like 781 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: threw me against the wall and like we're kicking my 782 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: legs out from under me, and yeah, it was weird. 783 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: And then they had just left. Are you sure there 784 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: are cops and not just some eternity boys dressed up 785 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: as appens police in a car me and my three friends. 786 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what they thought we were doing, but 787 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: they they got out of there really click. I'll say 788 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: that they must have thought you were somebody else, Kevin Smith, 789 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: or the reality of their situation hit them and they 790 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: realized that what they were doing was wrong. Maybe. Uh. 791 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,760 Speaker 1: You can communicate with Chuck and I electronically via Twitter 792 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: at s y SK podcast that's our handle, uh, Facebook 793 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: dot com slash stuff you Should Know, or you can 794 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: send us an email to Stuff podcast at Discovery dot 795 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: com for more on this and thousands of other topics. 796 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: Does it how stuff works dot Com brought to you 797 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. It's ready, Are 798 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: you