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Speaker 3: We're still technically in a government shutdown.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yes, Democrats, I think you got to give them

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Speaker 4: their flowers for like effectively maneuvering the enough government funding

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Speaker 4: through that. Remember we were saying like this was their goal,

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Speaker 4: and they were pretty clear about it, and Republicans let

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Speaker 4: them do it. What they did is they got government

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Speaker 4: funding for everything except homeland security, and so then when

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Speaker 4: homelands Aready came up, they're like, no, we're not doing that. Partly,

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Speaker 4: I think it's the senators and the House members were

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Speaker 4: so proud of themselves forgetting appropriations bills through regular order. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that they couldn't resist passing them through the House and

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Speaker 4: Senate because they haven't done that in like twenty years

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Speaker 4: or something like that.

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Speaker 5: That's a wild theory.

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Speaker 4: And Democrats are like, yeah, go go do that. Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: And now when with the government funded other than homeland security,

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Speaker 4: Democrats are sitting with all the leverage.

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Speaker 3: Well, and yeah, let's just set the table a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle, let's put this up on the screen. Was

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota yesterday and visited a memorial to Alex Pratty.

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Speaker 6: This.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the reason Democrats feel fully confident pushing this

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Speaker 3: shutdown is because the base, the party's base is absolutely

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Speaker 3: demanding action against DHS and ICE after the violent January

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Speaker 3: trickling right now into this. And just yesterday we can

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Speaker 3: put the CNBC report up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 3: the next element. Democrats sent a counteroffer over to Trump. Now,

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Speaker 3: technically DHS is still funded pretty well funded right now,

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Speaker 3: because there was something in the one Big Beautiful bill.

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Speaker 5: That was passing in July to fund them.

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Speaker 3: But headline hears Democrats send Trump DHS funding counteroffers, agency

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Speaker 3: shutdown grinds on. So Schumer and jakeem Jeffries, but I

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Speaker 5: Just a reference to Schumer's new counteroffer.

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Speaker 3: They are, as CNBC says, quote, locked in negotiations, and

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Speaker 3: they aren't saying. They literally did not say publicly what

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Speaker 5: So we don't know. Bred.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any sense of what Democrats might be

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Speaker 3: willing to seed in order? Because Democrats here are in

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Speaker 3: the minority that goes without saying Republicans control the House,

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Speaker 3: they control the Senate, they control the White House. What

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Speaker 3: might Dems actually be willing to concede on this?

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Speaker 4: Well, there's they're pushing for some you know, the kinds

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Speaker 3: Although I would argue in both of those cases, having

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Speaker 4: They should not have to be pressed to agree.

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Speaker 3: To that because in the good case, having his I mean,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that's one thing. The other things they have

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Speaker 4: If you don't, you have an enormous budget. Go figure

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Speaker 4: that out and go find them. And the masks, like,

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Speaker 4: that's a major demand from Democrats on the Democratic base.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think that's one that the administration will

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Speaker 3: wearing a mask for their own safety.

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Speaker 5: But then you shouldn't take the job.

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Speaker 4: So it's a it's a democracy. Like if you're armed,

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Speaker 4: if your agency is so despised by the public that

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Speaker 4: merely working in it is a threat to your family,

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Speaker 4: The agency is the problem, not the people, is what

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Speaker 4: I would say. But people are like Democrats are just

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Speaker 4: absolutely completely fed up with this.

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Speaker 3: So New York Times focus group isting Ryan's Spidey sense

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Speaker 3: York Times asked their focus group who a candidate who

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Speaker 3: Every single person in the focus group, across the demographic spectrum,

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Speaker 3: from every different Cohort said a progressive candidate, and for

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Speaker 3: a moderate candidate, The New York Times reports, no one

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Speaker 3: who wrote the books that you've written, Ryan, Like, this

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Speaker 3: is a veritable feast of different It's.

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Speaker 4: Bitter sweet because it's like, if you would have listened

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Speaker 4: So it's very bittersweet to have people come around and

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Speaker 4: well we're still in hell.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: But also it's interesting, like how you define how people

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Speaker 3: It was like a question at the base.

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Speaker 4: Meant yeah, it meant it meant something back then, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Do with that, which is very interesting because on the

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Speaker 3: side of some different issues. So that's going to be

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Speaker 3: a very very interesting question post primary for DEM's running

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's to get a sense of how bad

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Speaker 4: Even Kamala Harris is like, if you did a redo

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Speaker 4: would actually elect Kamala. So let's roll Harriett in the CNN.

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Speaker 7: Here choice for twenty twenty four presidential election. The actual

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Speaker 7: was Donald Trump winning by about a point and a

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Speaker 7: in a polled redo between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris

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Speaker 4: But look at where we are now.

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Speaker 7: According to an NBC News survey monkey, Paul Kamala Harris

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Speaker 7: wins in a redo, asking folks, essentially, if you could

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Speaker 7: She wins it by get this eight points, a massive

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Speaker 4: It's in this weighted sample.

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Speaker 7: Get this, she wins by eight Amongst the sample that

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, Look at this, Democrats are winning that

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Speaker 7: back to their congressional majority. And more than that, I

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Speaker 7: actually won a larger share of those non twenty twenty voters.

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Speaker 7: It's not just the House, it's the Senate as well.

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Speaker 7: Democrats chance to win the Senate a year ago is

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Speaker 7: nineteen percent of cording to Koshi, thirty percent six months ago,

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Speaker 7: and now Democrats have a forty percent chance of taking

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Speaker 7: back the US Senate nine points one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the combination of those two things is a wipeout.

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Speaker 4: I would I don't even think the curious fear of

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Speaker 4: take I think the forty percent under rates at this point,

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Speaker 4: maybe not Democrats chances of taking the Senate, but that

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Speaker 4: those two numbers combined that the people who did vote

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Speaker 4: There's I think there's a similarity there. The freeze the

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Speaker 4: rent market rate. So we then as the city, are

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Speaker 4: going to come in and we'll rehab it for you,

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Speaker 4: like do that at.

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Speaker 3: Least, like, well, let's put this on the screen. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is E four. This is going to be a

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Speaker 3: st This is mom Donnie doing a little bit of

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Speaker 3: doge because even before he was elected, he was the

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Speaker 3: guy who was holding court speaking fluent abundance in conversations

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Speaker 3: with Derek Thompson. So listen to Mayor, mom Donnie, this

446
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Speaker 3: is the next stop.

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Speaker 8: We are being as aggressive as we can and recognizing

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Speaker 8: additional revenue and have surpassed the state in our estimates

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Speaker 8: of personal income tax, corporate tax, and sales tax. But

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Speaker 8: responsible governance is not only about revenue. It is also

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Speaker 8: about discipline. That means finding savings across city government, reducing

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Speaker 8: bureaucratic waste, and rendering agencies more efficient and cost effective.

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Speaker 8: That is why I signed an executive order establishing a

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Speaker 8: chief Savings officer in every city agency. Chief Savings officers

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Speaker 8: or CSOs have a simple remit identifying savings within the agencies.

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Speaker 8: They serve. They will consolidate redundancies, insource programs that have

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Speaker 8: been outsourced to bloated consultant contracts, and eliminate extraneous programs.

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Speaker 8: Each CSO will issue a public report by March twentieth

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Speaker 8: detailing the savings they have found and provide updated assessments

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Speaker 8: every six month. These CSOs will have clear goals one

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Speaker 8: point five percent in savings in fiscal year twenty twenty

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Speaker 8: six and two point five percent in fiscal year twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's picking all the low hanging fruit, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: he's putting in the subway. He's doing an obvious thing

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Speaker 3: where he's as a progressive Democrat, democratic socialist going out

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Speaker 3: and saying we're a point chief Savings officers to get

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Speaker 3: a report within a month basically about savings that they

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Speaker 3: found throughout the government. So coupling rent control with a

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Speaker 3: little bit of doge is at least better than not,

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Speaker 3: I suppose.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the beauty of this to me is that

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Speaker 4: it and we had Christian Parenti on here saying that

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Speaker 4: Left needs to embrace some austerity.

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Speaker 3: He literally made exactly yes, the argument for what zaraon

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Speaker 3: Mndani just did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and The argument is that if you and the

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Speaker 4: public like care about the care about the government doing

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Speaker 4: good things, it has to do them efficiently and effectively. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And that the government's purpose is to benefit the public,

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Speaker 4: not just to kind of make work for government workers.

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Speaker 4: And under the Tammany Hall kind of style of city politics,

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Speaker 4: it becomes its own thing, yes, and its own power base.

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Speaker 4: But if you want to really radically use it to

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Speaker 4: make as as a kind of force for working people

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Speaker 4: in the city, working people have to believe that the

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Speaker 4: government is that they are the government, The government is them,

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Speaker 4: that they're and they're working as one, rather than that

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Speaker 4: the government is this thing that is its own separate

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Speaker 4: entity that is actually just trying to extract from you

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Speaker 4: and too many working people I think correctly, not I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't say correctly, but like fairly and in many cases

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Speaker 4: correctly have identified the city governments as like just extractive

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Speaker 4: and that then their goal then is then to get

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Speaker 4: the jobs in government or to get you know, if

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Speaker 4: their cousin works in this department, they can get in

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Speaker 4: that department too. And that's not sustainable and it's not

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Speaker 4: a way to scale up. You want working for everybody,

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Speaker 4: So good for Mom Donnie for embracing this, because like

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Speaker 4: it's too easy to just to not do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: go the next And so why DOSEE could have been good?

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Speaker 4: Dose could have been great if like Doge came in

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Speaker 4: and was like, wait a minute, you're all using these

504
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Speaker 4: like nineteen eighty four computers running on Microsoft Windows ninety eight, Like,

505
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Speaker 4: let's upgrade this stuff. We're gonna let's make it so

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Speaker 4: you can do your job more efficiently. It's going to

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Speaker 4: cost a little money here, but it's going to save

508
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Speaker 4: all of this money down the road. That would have

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Speaker 4: been one of the best services. Al Gore tried to

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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 3: Remember, Yeah, but to your point, Doge lost the public

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Speaker 3: trust really quickly. And to undertake significant reforms, you have

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Speaker 3: to have public trust, and they lost public trust. And actually,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask about this because this I just

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Speaker 3: remember broke last night. I'm curious what your take of

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Speaker 3: this is. New York Posts. So they don't like may

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Speaker 3: or Mom Donnie to say the least two. By the way,

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Speaker 3: producer Max says, he's up plus sixteen. He's up sixteen

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Speaker 3: points in his approval rating, So interesting, Mom Donny.

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Speaker 4: He won by about fifteen, So that's up, so he's

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Speaker 4: like even more, it's unusual to go northward.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how that continues. But here's the headline. Mom

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Speaker 3: Donnie brings back homeless in campment sweeps, turning on campaign

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Speaker 3: promise after backlashing over cold weather deaths. So the New

525
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Speaker 3: York Post is reporting that he's expected to reverse course

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Speaker 3: on this campaign promise because of this deadly cold snap,

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Speaker 3: in which I think at least ten people have died

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Speaker 3: on the streets of New York City has been very,

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Speaker 3: very cold, and sources have told The New York Post

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Speaker 3: that that is going to start, possibly as soon as today.

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Speaker 5: Very interesting.

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Speaker 3: The Post says the city's Department of Homeless Services, which

533
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Speaker 3: has been left in the large with zero guidance since

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Speaker 3: Mom Donnie's order came down to halt the sweeps last month,

535
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Speaker 3: will again take the lead on issuing notices to people

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Speaker 3: living on the streets. Sources said that was an Eric

537
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Speaker 3: Adams policy. It's been unpopular with people on the left.

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Speaker 3: But my perspective on that is it can save lives.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that's bear Mum Donnie's perspective, having been

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Speaker 3: in power for about a month now, if that actually

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Speaker 3: is worth the life saving efforts and just bitterly cold

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Speaker 3: weather in New York City. So I don't know, right,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of that. Actually, to

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Speaker 3: be honest.

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Speaker 4: This seems like a case of where you're well meaning

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Speaker 4: left orthodoxy ran into this fear ice storm and snowstorm right,

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Speaker 4: And I'm glad he's you're readjusting this. On the other hand,

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Speaker 4: the orthodoxy comes from a serious place where criminalizing homelessness

549
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Speaker 4: has its own has its own obvious problems like this.

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Speaker 4: It's not a solution either, but certainly in these like

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Speaker 4: you know, freezing freezing temperatures for long stretches of times,

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Speaker 4: it's just incredibly unsafe and can be deadly to be

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Speaker 4: out in the cold. Then, so the government has some responsibility.

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Speaker 4: You got to, like, can't You don't want people to

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Speaker 4: just die in the streets.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm curious to see how he handles questions that

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's going to get from New York City

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Speaker 3: Press Corps about this, because listen, I think people actually

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Speaker 3: respect when you are leveling with them as a politician.

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Speaker 3: You say, listen, like this was we had people dying,

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Speaker 3: and I did what I had to do. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's that's how it goes. So I don't know, I'm

563
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Speaker 3: curious how he handles that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Because he's not actually afraid to like color outside the lines.

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Speaker 3: As we're pointing out with him doing dog in New

567
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Speaker 3: York City, is that that hasn't ever been like a

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Speaker 3: huge barricade for him.

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Speaker 4: And the storm is interesting context than the snow for

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Speaker 4: his popularity rating, Like you could easily imagine a world

571
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Speaker 4: where the city was just wrecked by by this, by

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Speaker 4: this dump of snow, and that he's at like the

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Speaker 4: thirties in popularity already, Like this was a difficult situation.

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Speaker 4: New York seems to have handled it much better than DC.

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Speaker 4: In fact, thankfully the forty degree days are now getting

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Speaker 4: us out of this, but the city was struggling so

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: and no, Mom, Donnie was very out there and energetic

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Speaker 4: out there, like with the cruise and like doing the

579
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Speaker 4: mayor thing, which you know they're they're probably some people

580
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: are like, oh the problem with these left wing cannas,

581
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Speaker 4: they're not. They don't They're just going to be lost

582
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Speaker 4: in like the Ivory Tower of socialist ideas, but not

583
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Speaker 4: not get into the streets and actually do the job

584
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Speaker 4: of being a mayor, but he was just the number

585
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Speaker 4: one job of being a mayor is blowing the streets

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Speaker 4: when it snows hit.

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Speaker 3: But he was so aware of that, like deeply aware

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Speaker 3: of what went wrong with the Blasio. So we'll see

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Speaker 3: if you can stave that off in his own tenure

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Speaker 3: at Gracie Manor.

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Speaker 5: Let's move on a Sudan line.

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Speaker 4: In Sudan, the Sudanese Army, in a wave of drone

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Speaker 4: strikes in Cordifon and the Sinar States over a period

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Speaker 4: of a couple of days, killed upwards of sixty people,

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Speaker 4: at least at least twenty six of them civilians. In

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Speaker 4: West Cortifon. In North Kurtofon, twenty eight people were killed

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Speaker 4: when an SAF drone struck a market, according to the

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Speaker 4: Emergency Lawyers group operating there. The Sudan Doctors Network reported

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Speaker 4: three killed in shelling and blamed that on the UAE

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Speaker 4: backed RSF and some sources at a hospital was directly

601
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Speaker 4: hit in that case. This comes as at the Munich

602
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Speaker 4: Security Conference, finally we started seeing some pressure applied to

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Speaker 4: the UAE in particular, which has evaded kind of all

604
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Speaker 4: responsibility for this catastrophe. That they have begotten, and the

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Speaker 4: US is putting forward a proposal to the kind of

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Speaker 4: the quartet of countries that are kind of behind this,

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Speaker 4: behind this war. Let's roll f two here.

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Speaker 9: You've been very involved in peace talks, particularly with the

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Speaker 9: quad which we were talking about earlier, which is the US, Egypt,

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Speaker 9: the UAE, and Saudi Arabia. So can you just updat us?

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Speaker 9: Is it peace in our time?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 9: Can we be hopeful?

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Speaker 6: We've done extensive work. We've been in continuous contact with

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Speaker 6: both parties to work on the quadrode map that we

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Speaker 6: put out on September twelfth. The roadmap starts with a

617
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Speaker 6: humanitarian truth and ends with the political transition process. So

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Speaker 6: on the humanitarian truths, we presented an initiative. We presented

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Speaker 6: a strong text to the parties that addresses all aspects

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Speaker 6: of this let's call it temporary ceasefire or truths. We

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Speaker 6: have also engaged in extensive consultations with both sides, and

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Speaker 6: then we've reached at some point an understanding that it

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Speaker 6: will be most useful to go through a U N mechanism,

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Speaker 6: so we proceeded with that. We've been working with the

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Speaker 6: with oddshas specifically and with the U N Secretary General

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Speaker 6: and his team to come up with the UN mechanism

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Speaker 6: that will help implement and monitor this this ceasefire or.

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Speaker 4: This humanitarian truths.

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Speaker 6: And we've worked on it for weeks and I can

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Speaker 6: say that we allnounced that in Washington a few days ago,

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Speaker 6: along with our partner Tom Fletcher, that we we do

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Speaker 6: have a draft mechanism. It's going to be hopefully finalized

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Speaker 6: very soon by the Secretary General's office, and we will

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Speaker 6: be ready at that point in time, hopefully within days,

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Speaker 6: to present the final draft to the to the parties

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Speaker 6: and get hopefully get their approval.

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Speaker 4: And the reason there is hope that this could be

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Speaker 4: ended is that if the if the UEE were to

639
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: back off, most outside observers believe that that this would

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Speaker 4: have to be you have to wind up in a

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00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: in a negotiated solution. The ue has completely escaped any

642
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 4: pressure internationally from the from the US. At the UN

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Speaker 4: Security Conference Channel Foards, Lindsey Hilstom asked the American advisor

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Speaker 4: Masad Blows if it was time to get nasty with

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Speaker 4: the ue and finally put some pressure on Let's roll this.

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Speaker 9: There's enough talking, because I understand that you bring together

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Speaker 9: all these different parties, but it seems to me that

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Speaker 9: this is the time. It's the time to get nasty,

649
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Speaker 9: isn't it. Isn't it the time to put real leverage

650
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 9: on the countries that are arming these factions, and the

651
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 9: US has more leverage. President Trump has more power than

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Speaker 9: anyone else. Come on, you can do it.

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00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: We've been quite patient, and we've been we've been quite accommodating.

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Speaker 6: We wanted to make sure it's a successful process. We've

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Speaker 6: been engaging with both sides and all the relevant actors. However,

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Speaker 6: too much time has gone by, and it's really it's

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Speaker 6: about time to act. In fact, next week at the

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Speaker 6: UN with the Honorable Secretary Cooper, we're going to have

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Speaker 6: some serious talk and action.

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Speaker 1: You know, what is the.

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Speaker 9: Pressure you're putting on him? What is the pressure you're

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Speaker 9: putting on him? Metic? What is the pressure you're putting

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Speaker 9: on Abu Dhabi to stop taking the gold which is

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Speaker 9: coming out of Sudan at five thousand dollars an ounce?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Regarding again regarding the external support, our position is very clear,

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Speaker 6: not just us, but all our partners within the Quad

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Speaker 6: and all all the other partners. We are totally against

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Speaker 6: any sort of external support that we're seeing, and we're

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Speaker 6: seeing it coming from all sorts of different different sources,

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Speaker 6: different different supply roots, and to both parties. We're seeing

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Speaker 6: it come to both sides, and this is this is

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Speaker 6: totally counterproductive, absolutely to the mechanism and to the process

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Speaker 6: that we're putting in place. We have a comprehensive piece

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Speaker 6: plan that we've proposed and we're going to work well.

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Speaker 9: Not understanding how I mean, you know, I've looked at

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Speaker 9: some of the princips. Your peace part hasn't been publish yet,

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Speaker 9: but you know, I've looked set. It looks great, but

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Speaker 9: I don't see what is going to make either the

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Speaker 9: parties or those supporting the parties agree to it thens

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Speaker 9: keep fighting.

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Speaker 6: So this is going to be with a with an solution.

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Speaker 6: We're not going to come here and impose anything. We

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Speaker 6: can probably come up with mechanisms that will help them.

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Speaker 6: We can come up with probably a UN Security Council

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Speaker 6: resolution that will give the legal cover and the umbrella

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Speaker 6: for this work. But it's going to have to be

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Speaker 6: a Sudani Sudanese solution. It's going to be a comprehensive

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Speaker 6: national dialogue and leading to a civilian led government.

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Speaker 3: So that's definitely Trump's father in law for what it's worth.

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Speaker 3: Let's also roll this clip of the UK Foreign Secretary

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Speaker 3: Vat Cooper at the UNI Security Conference responding also to

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Speaker 3: those questions about pressure pressure, What kind of pressure will

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Speaker 3: be used as leverage to get to peace? Everyone says

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Speaker 3: they want peace, how are you going to get there?

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Speaker 9: For the clip, what is Britain doing to try and

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Speaker 9: pressure the United Arab members to stop supporting the RSF.

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Speaker 10: So the two different issues there. So may me just

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Speaker 10: briefly deal with the issues around arms flows and the

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Speaker 10: UK controls because we have very substantial controls we ensure.

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Speaker 10: In fact, when there were any allegations made, I insisted

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Speaker 10: that all the licenses were reviewed and two thousand licenses

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Speaker 10: were reviewed to ensure that there was no leakage, to

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Speaker 10: ensure that there was no nothing that any of those

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Speaker 10: licenses was reaching Soudan, and to make sure that the

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Speaker 10: allegations that had been made were unfounded. But if there

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Speaker 10: are any further allegations, we would take the same approach

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Speaker 10: and to review extensively to ensure that that must not happen.

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Speaker 9: But what I'm asking you about to come on to

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Speaker 9: you as well is about leverage. Again, what leverag does

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Speaker 9: Britain have on the UAE, Because the UAE is supporting

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Speaker 9: the RSF. I know they deny it, but there is

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Speaker 9: plenty of evidence and it seems to me that Britain

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Speaker 9: has a very close relationship with the UAE. So what

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Speaker 9: I'm asking is what are you doing to pressure them?

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Speaker 10: So we raise all of these issues with the UAE,

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Speaker 10: with Saudi with Egypt, all of the members of the

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Speaker 10: Quad who are working with Masad and continue to do so.

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Speaker 10: And we also believe that this needs to be wider

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Speaker 10: than the quads. Why I've raised this with the African Union,

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Speaker 10: with all of the neighboring states, with foreign ministers from

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Speaker 10: all of the neighboring states of Sudan. Our assessment is

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Speaker 10: there's probably more than a dozen countries who are in

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Speaker 10: some way involved in arms flows, maybe through funding, maybe

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Speaker 10: through manufacture, maybe through transit, maybe through training in different ways,

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Speaker 10: and like you, I am concerned of evidence that some

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Speaker 10: of those arms flows may be escalating rather than reducing.

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Speaker 9: However, a huge.

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Speaker 10: Amount of work has been done on what a cease

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Speaker 10: fire might look like.

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Speaker 4: Impressive questions from that Manerrea in and unimpressive answers if

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Speaker 4: you and we wanted to play all those clips, because

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Speaker 4: if you read into what she's saying that Cooper, for instance,

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Speaker 4: what are you going to do about the UE? Well,

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Speaker 4: I reviewed a whole bunch of licenses, and then she

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Speaker 4: goes like, we cut a lot of that out. She

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Speaker 4: filibustered forever before instead of answering the question about how

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Speaker 4: they're going to pressure the UE. So the reporter pressed

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Speaker 4: it again, Okay, great, what are you gonna do about

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Speaker 4: the UA? She's like, well, there are like a dozen

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Speaker 4: countries that are involved in some way in this, so

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Speaker 4: of course we should pressure the UAE, but also Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 4: but also Egypt and all the like, doing everything she

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Speaker 4: can too if she can't kind of say that the

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Speaker 4: UAE is innocent, to just pour as many other culpable

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Speaker 4: parties on top of it so that you spread out

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Speaker 4: the blame when everybody who's following this is like, no,

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Speaker 4: it's the UE that is the key driver of this conflict. Now,

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Speaker 4: to be fair, the Sudanese armed forces are also a

751
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Speaker 4: significant problem here, and the Sudanese Prime Minister at Munich.

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Speaker 4: We won't play this because it's too hard to kind

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Speaker 4: of clip up. Camille aterris, we can put this, just

754
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Speaker 4: put this tweet up and people can read it from

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Speaker 4: drop site. So he went back and forth with her

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Speaker 4: as well, and says basically that a ceasefire would quote

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Speaker 4: not be an end. He said, a truce quote will

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Speaker 4: never work unless it's paired with disarmament, demobilization, and reintegration,

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Speaker 4: meaning that the RSF fighters must surrender their weapons, dismantled forces,

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Speaker 4: and be reintegrated to civilian life, and all those steps

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Speaker 4: must happen concurrently, he said, the RSF are quote now

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Speaker 4: quote mercenaries. Basically, his argument is that they have basically

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Speaker 4: killed any of the kind of indigenous elements of the

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Speaker 4: RSF and now they're basically all mercenaries that the UE

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Speaker 4: is paying to bring in. It is a fact that

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Speaker 4: there are enormous numbers of mercenaries that have come in

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Speaker 4: and fought on behalf of the UAE or RSF in Sudan,

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Speaker 4: but it's not true that it's all of them. There

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Speaker 4: has to be You have to reckon with that fact.

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Speaker 4: And he also deflected when asked about the saf's own

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Speaker 4: war crimes, which are which are many. So while there

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Speaker 4: is some pressure in the US is saying that they're

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Speaker 4: they're putting forward a proposal to end this. Like the

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Speaker 4: US backers don't seem that interested in putting real pressure

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Speaker 4: on the UA to end it, and the suit the

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Speaker 4: SAF also is still drawing a pretty pretty hard line.

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Speaker 5: It's where you look at.

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Speaker 3: Munich is such a polite place. It's such a.

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Speaker 4: The friends here.

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Speaker 3: All of these conferences are like hubs of respectability politics.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things you can read into from

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Speaker 3: the tough questions there, at least I think you can

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Speaker 3: read into, is that people who are following this seriously

784
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Speaker 3: realize when the dust settles, how dark the kind of global.

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Speaker 5: Disinterest in this is going to look. Yeah, that's kind

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Speaker 5: of what I want.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching this like it's almost a little jarring to

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Speaker 3: see it on stage and Munich like that and not just.

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Speaker 4: All know what they're doing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really it is really dark.

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Speaker 3: And I think with the moderator, who's whose name I

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Speaker 3: should know, but what I think she's prepared for. She's

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Speaker 3: looking at the carnage and thinking these are serious questions

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Speaker 3: these are these are not. You can't just sort of

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Speaker 3: like punt this stuff away because everybody is going to

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Speaker 3: look really bad when the dust settles, really really bad

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Speaker 3: now if you're following it.

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Speaker 4: Closely, right but right, yeah, absolutely, And we wanted to

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Speaker 4: put up f F six. We wanted to give a

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Speaker 4: little shine to the Sudanese Journalists Network that this is

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Speaker 4: the I IN Network. We'll put a link to this.

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Speaker 4: It's down in the show notes. You can watch the

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Speaker 4: watch the full clip. There's not a whole lot of

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Speaker 4: you know, good journalism coming out of this war for

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Speaker 4: for obvious reasons, and so it's very difficult to cover.

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Speaker 4: But I IN Network got did some very interesting on

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Speaker 4: the ground reporting about what it's like to live through

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Speaker 4: one of these sieges and battles for the civilian population there.

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Speaker 4: So we'll put that in so you can you can

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Speaker 4: watch the whole thing for if you really want to

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Speaker 4: dive dive into it. But that will do it for

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Speaker 4: us for today. You were here yesterday, I.

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Speaker 5: Was here yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I think Sager's back. I think Sager's back tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: And Emily and I are gonna do the Meghan Kelly

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Speaker 4: Show later today.

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Speaker 3: a good Meghan has us on today to do a

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Speaker 3: breaking points, we gotta get this thing rolling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also a good reminder for you that you

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