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Speaker 3: when it comes to violence with just cause. The armed

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Speaker 1: No, no, thank you for for having me. The The

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Speaker 1: honor is uh is certainly mine. You know this this book,

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Speaker 2: On our side was just compressing, compressing.

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Speaker 1: But we we did two Alpha company, Uh, we did

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Speaker 2: Those two.

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Speaker 2: UH, those two.

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Speaker 1: Ended up being interesting because well, they started firing all

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Speaker 2: You know they they had a lot of RPGs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But I was not uh.

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Speaker 1: my if we had got attacked, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: So we're out there a DoD picking up seawire, me

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Speaker 1: there's no hey, take a shovel or something. It was

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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen into the reserves.

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Speaker 1: I had a prior service recruiter call me and he's like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: did you know you can go play marine and get

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you guys tell me this years ago?

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Speaker 1: I was in Michigan doing Operation Northern Strike. We were

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Speaker 2: We were gonna have ranges and get you know.

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Speaker 1: Attack whatever, and just shoot out at the targets they

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Speaker 2: Pull it up? What do I pull up? Well? I

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Speaker 2: Well I pull it out.

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Speaker 1: It was a live arty round. No, I'm holding a

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Speaker 1: live lady round. They had EOD came out. Uh. They

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And my girlfriend who's now my wife, she was like, dude,

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Speaker 2: That would have been national news.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine what would happen if a platoon of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so so after that, I was like, okay, guys, like,

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Speaker 2: Make the switch today. God bless America. Who Yah.

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Speaker 3: What I find interesting is that, you know, I felt

441
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Speaker 3: a very similar thing in the beginning of the war,

442
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Speaker 3: because I was in Afghanistan in the summer vote too

443
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: and felt, you know, apoplectic about the decisions that seemed to.

444
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: Not being that weren't being made in.

445
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Speaker 3: Terms of a tactical focus or mission or you know

446
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Speaker 3: I mean. And later on I end up finding out

447
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: that you Pakistan was flying senior level members of al

448
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: Qaeda out after Tora, Bora, and Talban just all went

449
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: into Aqueta where mul Omar was, his whole tribe was.

450
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, I was like, oh my god.

451
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: And then you know, the subsequent times I went back,

452
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Speaker 3: ending with you know, my last trip over there in

453
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Speaker 3: twenty ten, I was there, a couple of deployments with

454
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Speaker 3: the agency.

455
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Speaker 2: It's almost like nothing to change. And then what you're

456
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Speaker 2: telling telling.

457
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Speaker 3: Me right now, you know, on the way out, a

458
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Speaker 3: very similar sensation was taking place. Now, I do have friends,

459
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: you know, at Tier one units that you know that

460
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Speaker 3: they were getting.

461
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Speaker 2: The job done.

462
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Speaker 3: But for the rest of us, you know, I think

463
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Speaker 3: other than some very strategic times, there was this kind

464
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Speaker 3: of hidden hurdle, hidden hurdles for those of us that

465
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Speaker 3: were trying to do our due right where to find

466
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Speaker 3: that virtuousness and violence and.

467
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Speaker 2: And and it just wasn't.

468
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Speaker 3: The opportunities seemed to be thwarted at every step. And

469
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Speaker 3: and and you know, did you realize that a knit

470
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Speaker 3: like when it was happening in it or did it

471
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Speaker 3: really set in later on? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I think it was there, you know, it was, it

473
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: was there. I may not have fully known it at

474
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Speaker 1: the time, but I felt it and you could see it.

475
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: You know, when you're when you're nervous about doing your

476
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Speaker 1: job and engaging the enemy because that might get you

477
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Speaker 1: thrown in jail. That that blows your mind right, like

478
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: it's it's like, well, what are we even here for?

479
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: If you know, you tell me, I'm you know, you

480
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: hand me this gun, you tell me that there's bad

481
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Speaker 1: guys over there, and I go over there where.

482
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Speaker 2: There's bad guys.

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, uh, you know, if you

484
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Speaker 1: take out the bad guys and we don't like the

485
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Speaker 1: way you.

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Speaker 2: Did it, uh, you're not going worth forever. Yeah. Yeah,

487
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Speaker 2: So it was.

488
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Speaker 1: It was wild and you know, I remember when we're

489
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: out there, we had we had uh we knew there

490
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Speaker 1: was a motorcycle. We didn't tell there was a motorcycle,

491
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Speaker 1: a five hundred pounds v bid uh and well and

492
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Speaker 1: behold as we're u uh you know, we're.

493
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Speaker 2: Out there and uh in in Watkins Glenn was the

494
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: name of the operation.

495
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: When we're uh, when we're out in Nautai, we uh,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, we had this riot happen where all these

497
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Speaker 1: women and children were throwing rocks at our m wraps

498
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Speaker 1: and uh uh surrounding our vehicles and doing this and banging.

499
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Speaker 1: And by the way those kids could throw You want

500
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Speaker 1: to make peace over there, you teach them baseball because

501
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: our ours.

502
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Speaker 2: You look at the.

503
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Speaker 1: Glass and you thought maybe they were shot with a

504
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: k fire or something, but no, those kids would throw

505
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: rocks and they would shatter.

506
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: Those bulletproof windows like it was insane.

507
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Speaker 3: Our first trip over there, we were in desert patrol

508
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: vehicles and it was so bad the kids whipping rocks

509
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: at us that I had to rig up a pistol

510
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Speaker 3: on my drive shaft and point my gun at kids

511
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: who were picking up brocks because we thought we were

512
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: gonna get like really hurt man.

513
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Speaker 2: But yeah.

514
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: But to finish this story, I remember, I'm up in

515
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Speaker 1: the turn of our m RAP and the motorcycle and

516
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: we're all in a line, like all our vehicles are

517
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Speaker 1: in a line, we're rolling. This motorcycle just comes up

518
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Speaker 1: and cruises next to all of us. I'm like in

519
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the vehicles, like there was four or

520
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: five vehicles behind me, there was another four or five

521
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: in front of me. Does anyone take the shot on

522
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: the motorcycle that was ten feet away from us? Nope,

523
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: that could have been the one that could have blown

524
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Speaker 1: us all up. No, no one took a shot, not

525
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: a damn soul took the shot. And we all knew

526
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Speaker 1: there was a motorcycle that could have blown us up

527
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Speaker 1: and if all he had to do was just swinging

528
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Speaker 1: to us, if that was the one. So that was

529
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: just something I remember. Now, did we take the fight

530
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: to the enemy, Yes, it did happen, But was the

531
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Speaker 1: fighting as did? Were we on a leash? Did we

532
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: feel on a leash the whole time? Yes, yes, yes

533
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: we did so. So it was interesting to say the

534
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: least with that.

535
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, Adam.

536
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: As you you know, you go in, you want to

537
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: serve at the highest level. You want to serve in

538
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: the infantry, as a rifleman in the Marine Corps. And

539
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: you know all you got to do is look at

540
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: history to prove that that is the most significant sense of.

541
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Speaker 2: Service there is throughout our history as a nation. Right,

542
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 2: And so you do it. You do it.

543
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: You do multiple cruises, right, one combat deployment, and you

544
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: go back in and then you get out. What was

545
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: your temperament like in the middle from when you got

546
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: out to when you wrote this this this book, Because

547
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: something happened, and something happened so profoundly that you were

548
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: able to I don't know if it's looking past the

549
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: experience of being leashed or whatever, but because the book

550
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: itself is an absolute predicate for young men in particular

551
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: to feel the honor of what it would like, what

552
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: it would feel like to serve, and the responsibilities that

553
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: come with carrying. You know that that mantle, right, the

554
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: mantle of being able to be violent, to wage war,

555
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: and the profound impact it has on on on your psyche,

556
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: on your on your honor, on your nobility. So to

557
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: try and explain to me and to the audience, you

558
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: know what took place in there for you to say,

559
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: you know what, even in the midst of all that, Man,

560
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to write this thing, this this I don't

561
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: want to call it a manifesto because it has such

562
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: negative undertones to it, but it's it's there. I know,

563
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: there's there's a particular world for these types of this

564
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: type of literature, like it's uh, you know, it's it's

565
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: these pieces, these seminal pieces of wisdom that seemed to

566
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: uh implant in people.

567
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: In a in a deeper way.

568
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Speaker 1: You know, it's something changed for sure. You know, it's

569
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: a decade of life happened. The world's changed, uh so much,

570
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: our country has changed so much. And in a way,

571
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: it kind of started as I saw someone online they

572
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: they they were talking about how you know, violence is

573
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: never the answer, and I'm like, wait, you know, I

574
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: see this all the time.

575
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: I see people say this.

576
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's people going, oh, well, guns are bad,

577
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, well, they're a tool, they're a tool

578
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: of violence. But we've been killing each other very efficiently

579
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: since the dawn time when when you know, when Grog

580
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: discovered the rock, well he figured out that that could

581
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: be a murder weapon. So so it's not that like, yeah,

582
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: sure our weapons have gotten more efficient, but something changed.

583
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: And the reality is is you have to meet I

584
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: knew that we had to meet violence with Bounce, and

585
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: so it started off as just kind of like a

586
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: response and me getting my thoughts together, but there was

587
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I think what the big change was is I've changed

588
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot over the last ten years, and because you

589
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: have to, I had to change, because you know, when

590
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: I got out of the military, I still I went

591
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of regressed a lot in

592
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: my life where I was I was a waiting tables again,

593
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: which is what I did before I enlisted, and this

594
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: is I was like, something's got to change. And so

595
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: I you know, I was like, hey, I got this gibo,

596
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: go back to school. Uh, And I got it. But

597
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: where it got in port was all these things started

598
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: building building building, right like ah, this this new life

599
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: just started coming and with that came responsibilities. And what

600
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: I think finally changed my life, which was kind of

601
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: just the completion of experiences, was you know, having my family,

602
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: my wife and my daughter who are who are dependent

603
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: on me.

604
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Uh And so that made me go from hey.

605
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Uh my my career isn't just spending money right Like,

606
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: it's it's not that, it's it's I.

607
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: Have people who rely on me and I can't I

608
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: cannot fail them.

609
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the I'm I'm the only one responsible for

610
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: for making sure they're taken care of. And that I

611
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: realize is just in the just seeing the tone of

612
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: society where they're like, oh, you know basically where they

613
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: want people want peace at any costs. Well, there's a

614
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: price to pay for peace for safety. And that's kind

615
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: of where this this comes from, is is it's just

616
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: the I guess the bit of growing up that had

617
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: to be done.

618
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: Uh. And so this that's that's where a lot of

619
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: this comes.

620
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: And it's that core of just sometimes you you have

621
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: to fight to have what you're going to have to

622
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: protect what you have, and sometimes fighting is the right

623
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: thing to do.

624
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: I love it.

625
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: I love that you decided to fight with with you

626
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: know your pros too, and what that can cadure.

627
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: And in the human mind, can you can you.

628
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: Talk up a little bit about how the book evolved

629
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: in your head, what your process was like and why

630
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: you you know why You're like, all right, I'm going to.

631
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: Start this, do this and put it out there. Yeah.

632
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: So well it's it literally started again as just I

633
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: started typing up a response to to what we had

634
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: talked about of just this. Oh, we just have to

635
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: have piece piece piece. So and then I'm like, wait,

636
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: I just had more ideas kept coming.

637
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: And what I did was.

638
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: All these things started coming to quote started coming to me.

639
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: And in my professional career, I live in Excel, uh,

640
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: and so I pulled up Excel on my computer and

641
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: I did I just started putting it in my thoughts.

642
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: Those thoughts became chapters and I would uh, you know,

643
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I'd write them up, uh, and then I could move

644
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: things around.

645
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: And figure out.

646
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: What what what I what I needed to where where

647
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: they needed to be for all the flow and to

648
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: all make sense. After that, I spent a lot of

649
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: time fighting with formatting, and then the cover design was

650
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: Actually it probably took me just as long to get

651
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: the cover as the book itself. But yeah, I mean

652
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: that's that's really. It was a simple process.

653
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: It just.

654
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: The writing itself was just pulling my ideas together and

655
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: just putting all these things together. And quite frankly, I

656
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: keep saying this is I don't the motivation was something bigger,

657
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: like I In some ways, I'm like, did this even

658
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: come from me?

659
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know it's because.

660
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: Some of the things I'm like, wait I said that

661
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Speaker 1: I did that? Or did I? I think you can

662
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Speaker 1: kind of get where I'm going with with that is

663
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: just something bigger comes to us. And the timing couldn't

664
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Speaker 1: be more perfect. When I when I first saw all

665
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Speaker 1: the things going on that's been happening the last couple

666
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Speaker 1: of months since I wrote this, I was like, was

667
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Speaker 1: this the wrong?

668
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Speaker 2: Was Oh my god? I just made this book called

669
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: When Violence.

670
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: Is a virtue and there's just all this insanity happening.

671
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: We got people getting assassinated and stabbed on buses and whatnot.

672
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Speaker 2: But it turned out well.

673
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Speaker 1: I think, well I had that initial fear. It kind

674
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: of subsided because I'm like, wait, no, the way we

675
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: have to fight that is the point.

676
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Of this book.

677
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Speaker 1: You know, that's it may take a heavy toll, but

678
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: when we're we're we're going to fight. Now, these these

679
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: are words that are going to help us.

680
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Speaker 3: Oh I I completely agree because the way you you know,

681
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: I mean obviously each one of these these you know,

682
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: the chapters that you have in here and what you address.

683
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's an infinite number of ways to

684
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 3: project the depths of of of kind of the underlying

685
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: meanings behind these in terms of you know, I love

686
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: how Part one is mindset and principles and so you know,

687
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: I I if it's all right, I just want to

688
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: go through a couple of the chapters that really jumped

689
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: out for me, and what what your intention so people

690
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: can get a better understanding of what you're meaning. And

691
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: so for me, the first one that really popped was

692
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Speaker 3: chapter five, The Warrior Ethos, Code of the Calm and dangerous,

693
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Speaker 3: and you start out with this great Sun Sou quote,

694
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: the general who wins and wins a battle makes many

695
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: calculations in his temple before the battle is even fought.

696
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Speaker 3: And you have these core principles of the warrior ethos, courage, discipline, resilience, commitment, selflessness,

697
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Speaker 3: never accept defeat, never quit, loyalty, honor, and mission. First,

698
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Speaker 3: can you talk a little bit about that ethos and

699
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Speaker 3: why is it important for people to contemplate that when

700
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Speaker 3: they think about violence.

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Speaker 1: So these are kind of takeaways I took from Stephen

702
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Speaker 1: Presfield's book The Warrior Ethos. I don't know if you're

703
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Speaker 1: familiar with it all.

704
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

705
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Speaker 1: It it was a powerful book that I remember. I

706
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: have two copies of it, and I first read it

707
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Speaker 1: when I was in s o I School of Infantry,

708
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: and it was powerful. And these were my takeaways from it.

709
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I could have done, you know,

710
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: gone with like an acronym of the JJ, did tye buckle?

711
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: You know? But this, this I felt was just let's

712
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: not revisit that. Let's you know, anyone can go find

713
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: military acronyms and roll their eyes at them for days.

714
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: But these are principles that I took away from that

715
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: book and that we have to understand. And I start

716
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: with courage. Why, as I talk about elsewhere in the book,

717
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: courage is not an absence of fear. Bravery is not

718
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Speaker 1: an absence of fear. It's pushing through it because we

719
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: have to. And that which feeds into the discipline is

720
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Speaker 1: I have to have the discipline to fight through things

721
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Speaker 1: I'm scared of, and that all of these things. This

722
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Speaker 1: is not just for combat, this is for life.

723
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Speaker 2: Right Like.

724
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: Big job interview. You're gonna be scared of that, right,

725
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: like nervous going into it. That can change your life,

726
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: right or uh, just however else you can apply that

727
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: next stages in your life.

728
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: Maybe you're having a kid, that's scary.

729
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Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you know when when my wife was pregnant,

730
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: that was that was life changing. I'm like, how am

731
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Speaker 1: I gonna afford this? Give her space? You know, how

732
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Speaker 1: am I gonna do this?

733
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Speaker 2: And you have to do it? You just do it.

734
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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's courage is just doing because you

735
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Speaker 1: have because no one else can but you.

736
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Speaker 2: You're your only advocate, right Like.

737
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Speaker 1: That that was that was kind of where we go

738
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Speaker 1: with this, And there's other things we talk about in

739
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: here is they all flow together. Everything here flows together,

740
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: like like everything right, like the selflessness, right, you have

741
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: to do stuff for for your family, right, Like it's

742
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: it's uh, you have to have that selflessness to take

743
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: care of them. And it's kind of a growing experience

744
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: there when you when you're rolling into that that that

745
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: you have to have. And and if you pull the

746
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: principles like that together, this will help you anything you

747
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: know in your your entire nation.

748
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Speaker 2: That's right.

749
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Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, I think what what I got,

750
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Speaker 3: what I extrapolated from that is that if you have

751
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: a framework, a framework of of your virtue, right, it

752
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: gives you a barriers or or a left.

753
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: And right flank to operate it.

754
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Speaker 3: And and I think that ethos is a great place

755
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: to start and is applicable in other aspects of your life.

756
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Speaker 2: You talked about fear and fear.

757
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Speaker 3: I've spent a tremendous amount of time in what I

758
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: teach out there. I teach a seminar call Embracing Fear.

759
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: And I love the way you address it in in

760
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: chapter seven right bravery in the face of fear and

761
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: acting through uncertainty And you know you're right Bravery isn't

762
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: about feeling fearless. It's about acting through fear. Fear is

763
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Speaker 3: managed through knowledge of self and the enemy and of purpose.

764
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Speaker 3: Can you expound on that a little bit.

765
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, life's uncertain and we both know that in the

766
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: most literal sense. You know what, you make these great

767
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: plans before you go out into combat, right you know,

768
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Speaker 1: we we have these five paragraph orders, We have this

769
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: great detailed plan. Well, the enemy gets to decide, they

770
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Speaker 1: get to help decide how that's going to play out.

771
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Speaker 2: And so.

772
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Speaker 1: Once that combat begins, the things change, right Like, you

773
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: have to have that be fluid.

774
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Speaker 2: And again that is is way more.

775
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: Applicabal than just the you know, the battlefield. But we

776
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: have to have that flexibility and we have to stand strong,

777
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, in that face of adversity, because you know,

778
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: failure in the battlefield means death, right like if it's

779
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: it's that life or death game. And so that's where

780
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: if you have to have that bravy bravery, you have

781
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: to have the to push through the fear and to

782
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: make the hard decisions when it matters most. And and

783
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Speaker 1: I've kind of grown into that more. I mean I

784
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: was not a leader, uh you know in Afghanistan.

785
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: I was.

786
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: I did get promoted to corporal, but I didn't have

787
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: a team at the time, and so this was this

788
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: was things that I realized from just the time, you know, afterwards,

789
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: like so so much of these this book is.

790
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Speaker 2: Not just me, right, like.

791
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly I would never try to say that, you know,

792
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm a Smedley.

793
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: Butler or you know, a Dan Daily.

794
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I'm I don't put myself in that

795
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of warrior class, you know, or or on that

796
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: pantheon of but I learned from good leaders, I learned

797
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: from bad leaders. I learned especially from bad leaders. And

798
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: that's where where so much of this comes from is

799
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: seeing that this is an ideal, right like this, this

800
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: is uh building a philosophy that's shape that's I think

801
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: shaped my life. But it had to be written out

802
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: and does does that?

803
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: Oh it makes complete sense? And and that's what I

804
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: want to get to.

805
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: On this other aspect we've talked, you'd said you really

806
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: were kind of inspired by kind of the malaise which

807
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: had really permeated into our society, which now has.

808
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: Led to you know, open and.

809
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: Growing violence in the civilian in civilian settings, whether it's

810
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 3: you know, uh, carjackings or homicide rates, or its political assassinations,

811
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: or it's people being jumped on the streets. You know,

812
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: I think you know this. The chapter that really hit

813
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: me with that was chapter nine, False Peace, The Danger

814
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: of Passivity. And you know you say, false peace is

815
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: surrender dressed in virtue.

816
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: It is the refusal to confront evil.

817
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: Appeasement isn't peace, it's surrender in slow motion. And that

818
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: I think was beautifully put. That was really powerful. Chamberlain's

819
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: handshake with Hitler didn't prevent war and ensured it. So

820
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: can you just give people a reference of from a

821
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: civilian perspective of what how passivity can be.

822
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: Reversed with this sense of virtue?

823
00:46:50,520 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the we sit here as society is

824
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: coming to some very rough times.

825
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: And when you hear people.

826
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Speaker 1: Talk comparing our country to falling into a situation where

827
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: they compare it to the troubles in Ireland, you know

828
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: in the from the seventies, eighties and nineties, that is

829
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: something we have to address. We can't let it come

830
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 1: to that, but it seems it is, and we're gonna

831
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: have to fight it, right like, we cannot allow this

832
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: to keep going where we've had multiple assassination attempts on

833
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: our president. Whether you like him or not, that doesn't

834
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: give you carte blanche to try to murder him.

835
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: We've had.

836
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: We we have conservative thought leaders.

837
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 3: Uh.

838
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: You know what happened with Charlie Kirk Like this is

839
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: there is such an amplification of violence and we're gonna

840
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: have to face it as a culture. We're gonna have

841
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: to unify on this. We're gonna have to stand up

842
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: together collectively and say no more.

843
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 2: Does that mean we need to have.

844
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Troops, you know, on the street everywhere, a policeman on

845
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: every corner.

846
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: No, that's not what I'm calling for.

847
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: But society is gonna have to take a shift. We're

848
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: going to have to take the deep look inside, uh

849
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: and see and address this rot that's that's coming or

850
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: that has manifested itself.

851
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: Do I have the answer for how to fix that? Brother?

852
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: I wish I did. Well.

853
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty straightforward, and you you you reference

854
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: it several other times in the book itself and throughout

855
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: history as as you know the famous saying, you know,

856
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: hard times create hard men, you know, which create easy times,

857
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: which create weak men, which create hard times.

858
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: You know, I think we've we've come into that.

859
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: I think there's also a level of propaganda and manipulation

860
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: of young people's minds, much like the Bolshevik Revolution or

861
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: you know, the the you know, Nationalist Socialist Party or

862
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: whatever you want to go throughout history, that people are like, you.

863
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: Know what we're we're we're going to.

864
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: Fight back what we interpret to be the oppression, and

865
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Speaker 3: we're going to you know, because it's not lots of

866
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: people that lead these revolts or create civil war, it's

867
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: it's a few thousand, it's you know, three four thousand people.

868
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: And with twenty five million people that we let in

869
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: the country in the last four years, you know, I

870
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: just had an interview with with Sarah Adams who believes

871
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: there's hundreds, if not thousands, of you know, classically trained terrorists.

872
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, you could have narco terrorism, you could have

873
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: Chinese terrorism, which is I mean already taking place with fentanyl,

874
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: you know, and now you've put these maligned district attorneys

875
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: in who allow people to go free fourteen times at

876
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: end up stabbing young girls on buses.

877
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Speaker 2: Like at some point.

878
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: There has to be an evelevation of violence against those

879
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 3: willing to commit violence on the quiet you know, few

880
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 3: the reluctant heroes, if you will.

881
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: And you know the thing that really I think the the.

882
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 3: There's a restraint I think from our side, not particularly

883
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: from our g WAT guys. I think GACK guys have

884
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: been vividly identifying this for the past six years, I

885
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: mean seven years probably and saying this is building, this

886
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: is going to get out of control. You know, you

887
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: guys are going to be victims. Were not because we're prepared,

888
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 3: We're paying attention. But there's this this.

889
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: What is it? This malignant.

890
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: Societal malignant that has you know, taken place that has

891
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: to be caught.

892
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: Out, and it requires violence.

893
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: But there's also a component of this that I love

894
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 3: that you wrote about in chapter thirteen, and you said

895
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 3: it's called the compassionate warrior, strength and mercy, right, uh,

896
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: And the strongest men I've noticed with the quote you

897
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: start out, the strongest men I've known could break bones

898
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 3: with their hands and yet would wipe a child's tears

899
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: with the same fingers. Can you describe a little bit

900
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: about that chapter? And you know, power withheld is power mastered?

901
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: Can you can you talk about that and what it

902
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: will require?

903
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: It requires so let's start with what it requires. Restraint

904
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Speaker 1: is something that I think when it comes to this,

905
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: the life or death restraint, it's something very few have experienced, right,

906
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: Like I remember once in Afghanistan.

907
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 2: We were dealing with teenagers.

908
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the youngest was probably about twelve or so,

909
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: and I want, that's fighting age males, right like, people

910
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: don't understand that, and the rest of the world. I

911
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: mean you, I mean, you're you're a fighting age male

912
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: if you know once you can hold that rifle.

913
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: Car jackings.

914
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: Carjackings in Philadelphia went up seventeen. The average age of

915
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 3: the carjacker was thirteen to fifteen.

916
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: It's yeah, but until you have.

917
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: Experienced aiming a rifle at what we would call a kid,

918
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: a middle schooler, a high school kid, it's hard to explain.

919
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: But when if you have taken your safety selector and

920
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: put it on fire and you're aiming you're m sixteen

921
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: at a kid that is no older than than my stepdaughter.

922
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: That took a while to reconcile. And that's what I

923
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: think this covers, right, Like, think the Lord, I never

924
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: had to do that. I was able to put my

925
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: rifle back on safe. We de escalated the situation, but

926
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: that still leaves a lasting memory on a man. It

927
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: doesn't go away that that's a traumatic experience of its own.

928
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: And so you have to know, look at the situation

929
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: and go whatever is this situation worth killing someone over. Luckily,

930
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, the piece of scrap

931
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: metal they stole from our base, that's part of our perimeter.

932
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: They're already, it's not hurting anything. We're out of here

933
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Anyways, I don't care. Just

934
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: just let them have their scrap metal, because that's what

935
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: it was over. But they were throwing rocks at us

936
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: and attacking us, trying to.

937
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: Just get away with a piece of scrap metal.

938
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: So you know what, timmy taliban have it.

939
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: But that sort of restraint is.

940
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: Something you have to know because I think it's easier

941
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: to get it once you've had a kid. You know, it's, hey,

942
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: does my kid need harsh discipline here?

943
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: Or do they need a hug?

944
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: And just to be calmed down and told what the matter?

945
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: What the problem is?

946
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: So Chapter thirteen is parenting book parenting chapters.

947
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Speaker 3: I love it, I love it all right, last one

948
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: to wrap it up, and then let's close it out

949
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Speaker 3: is chapter fourteen legacy What do Warriors leave behind? And

950
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 3: I love this part. The warrior doesn't fight for medals,

951
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: He fights for those who will come after. A warrior's

952
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: true victory is not in killing, but in what survives him, character,

953
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 3: family values. The greatest gift the warrior leaves is the

954
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Speaker 3: strength of those who follow.

955
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about that legacy is.

956
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: It's what matters. What are we leaving behind? What do

957
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: we fight for? You know everyone says they want it

958
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: better tomorrow? Well, how are you making it happen? What

959
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: have you done? Like? What are you going to be

960
00:55:52,520 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: remembered for? Those are things that we have to reconcile

961
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: with ourselves, right like we what did what do we

962
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: fight for?

963
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: You know?

964
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: When we were in the military serving our country, that

965
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: maybe something the history books will talk about forever as

966
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: for what the politics was, But at the end of

967
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: the day, we I think we ended up fighting for

968
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: those who stood beside us.

969
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: Amen.

970
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: And more importantly, when when, when when I die, what

971
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: is my daughter going to remember me for? What did

972
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: I do for her? Because that's what matters. So the

973
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: big crux of why I wrote this book, that's it

974
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: right there.

975
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Speaker 2: The legacy. Well, Adam, I think you have done that

976
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Speaker 2: and then some.

977
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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see how this book is going to

978
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: continue to filter across not only uh G WATT veterans

979
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: and active duty members and the Marine Corps and the

980
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: teams and the Army and uh Air Force and every

981
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 3: every in my opinion, every every active duty guy should

982
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: read this book. It should be a part of their

983
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 3: their mandatory reading list. And and for those that have served,

984
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: I highly recommend it. I read it this week. It

985
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: was phenomenal. Every single thing is well written and it's

986
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: to the point. And I just commend you, Adam at

987
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: at at you know, deciding to uh hear that, listen

988
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: to that muse in your heart. Uh, and for putting

989
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: this out. I really appreciate you. Coming on, where can

990
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 3: people find the book and how can they follow you?

991
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: And what do you got next coming up? Uh? Yeah,

992
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: so what's next? Great question? Uh, I'll know when I

993
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: get there. This is a whole new, whole new world

994
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: for me.

995
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: But the book can be found on it's exclusively on

996
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: Amazon right now. Uh. You know, this was an indeed publication,

997
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: right like I don't have you know, a big publisher.

998
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: But behind this, could that change? I would love to

999
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: see it change. I would love to see this get

1000
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: distributed wider and broader. But right now you can get

1001
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: it on Amazon, available as a paperback or available as

1002
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: a kindle read. And so I hope people go out there.

1003
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Speaker 1: I am on Twitter as a bank switch. Five thousand

1004
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: is my is my at, So I am there. You

1005
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: can find me there. I should probably get a website going, right,

1006
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this is I'd be.

1007
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: Good if you start deciding to put these out on

1008
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: a regular basis.

1009
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: But there, you know, there's no right or wrong way

1010
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: to do this.

1011
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1012
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: I've been in the game a long time.

1013
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: I've written a bunch of books, and you know, I

1014
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: think this thing just is going to have a life

1015
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: of its own. And you just sit back and you

1016
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: let it happen. You keep going on with people's shows,

1017
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: you keep doing what you did here, you keep talking

1018
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: about it, and you know, you just write it out

1019
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: and see what happens. Man, Because you definitely have a

1020
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: talent with the way you can consolidate profound ideas that

1021
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 3: are consumable for people. And I just again, I'm really

1022
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: proud to have you on my show.

1023
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Speaker 2: Adam, thank you, oh, thank you, thank you for having me.