1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Oh man. You know the thing about growing up Matt 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: is he is start to realize how much stuff your 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: parents had to deal with all the time. And it's 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: it's a bummer, honestly. Yeah. And mostly us, you know, 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: you me, Ben, Paul Michig control decond they had to 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: deal with us. But you know, outside of that, they 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: had to deal with things like, you know, paying for 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: an apartment or a house or wherever you lived, and 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, buying all the food. And the biggest thing 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: they had to do is give a little little something 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: off the top every time they got paid to Uncle Sam. Yeah, yeah, 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: a little bit of a little peace, you know, just uh, 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: let's just a little taste off the financial top there. 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: It's weird because taxation is a huge issue and pretty 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: much every single country uh and no one has very 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: few countries have figured out a tax system that makes 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: everybody happy, right uh. And here in the US there 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: are there's a multi billion dollar industry built on figuring 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: out how to legally avoid paying uh any tax if possible. 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: It's very smart, very clever, not necessarily ethical people at 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: the helm there. But then this this episode, this classic 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: episode is about a question you and I ran into 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: years ago, which is not just people who are like 24 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: loophole kings and queens, but people are tax activist. What 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: is that meant? A tax activist somebody who doesn't think 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: it is legal or constitutional, depending on where they live, 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: for a government to levy taxes and the big you know, 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: the big thing we're going to talk about in this 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: episode is why did taxes begin and why do they 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: continue now? If they started for a very specific purpose 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: to pay something off, and then they became this beast 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: that must be fed. So let's let's jump into this episode. 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: Learn a little bit. It all get angry for a while. 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: It'll be fun from UFOs two ghosts and government cover ups. 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody, 37 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, the show that never ends. 38 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: This is stuff they don't want you to know. My 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: name is Matt and I'm Ben, and today we're talking 40 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: about that thing that you love so much, that thing 41 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: that just warms your heart every time you have to 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: do it. Taxes. Yeah, today we are talking about taxes, 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: and this will be probably the last thing we do 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: about taxes for a while, or at least the last 45 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: thing I do, because when April fifteen came up, which 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: is when everybody in the US has to pay their taxes, 47 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: we started covering so much of this stuff and we 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: still have a gotten to all of it. So this 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: is going to be our opportunity to delve into some 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: of the history of taxation, the problems people have with it, 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: and of course the conspiracy theories surrounding it, of which 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: there are quite a few. Absolutely, So let's just go 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: ahead and jump right in. Taxes are an ancient idea, 54 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: and it's basically any any levy that's placed on an 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: individual or a legal entity like a company or corporation, 56 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: that's levied by a state or something something to that effect, 57 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: a state or a group, and there are legal repercussions. 58 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: If that levy is not paid right, you can be 59 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: charged with the crime. And this is an ancient ancient idea. 60 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: It dates as far back as Mesopotamia or even the 61 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: old Kingdom of Egypt. If you think today's systems blow, 62 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: just imagine, you know, having to live back then. Because 63 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: in this situation, if you didn't satisfy your your tax 64 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: or pay your tribute. Even it wasn't like they would 65 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: take you to a court of law and then charge 66 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: you more money. You could be beaten to be killed. 67 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: It would take your stuff and buy stuff, I mean 68 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: like your family. Uh you know, you also wouldn't necessarily 69 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: pay with money, right, Yeah, because people weren't necessarily using 70 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: money or at least currency of any kind of that time. 71 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: So you'd be forced into some kind of labor situation, 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Like you said, if your family has to go into 73 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: a forced labor or or military service, um conscription of 74 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: sorts or digging ditches, like literally digging ditches. Yeah, we're 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: just giving up the livestock that you have at your 76 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: house that you're going to be using for your family. 77 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: Right and today, luckily I think we mentioned this on 78 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: a brain stuff video. Uncle Sam won't physically beat you 79 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: for not paying your taxes, but you will get increasing fines. 80 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Usually the US tax system is huge, and at one 81 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: level that's kind of strange, right because uh u s 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: citizens have never been big fans of taxes. Oh yeah, 83 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: it's one of the main reasons for the Revolutionary War. 84 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: Uh just you know, we revolted against the British because 85 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: they were trying to put taxes on certain things, like 86 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: really heavy taxes without representation exactly. So that was the 87 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: first big thing. We're not being represented, but we're having 88 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: to pay all this money. Why the heck would we 89 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: have to do that? Right? And of course UM later 90 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: you could argue that became a hypocritical thing as we 91 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: later evolved into the present tax system we have. But 92 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: in theory, the people of the US are represented. UM. 93 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Just a quick side sidebar here. The idea of um 94 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: mer cancil is UM as a system you know where 95 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: where in this this is what the United Kingdom was 96 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: doing at the time. Right, They were saying, okay, colonies, 97 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: give us all of your resources, all of your raw goods, 98 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: and and you can, and we'll buy them for a 99 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: price that we set. And then we will also h 100 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: only ship manufactured goods. You can only get manufactured goods 101 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: from us certain types, and uh, we will tax both 102 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: those things we shipped to you and the things that 103 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: you are supplying with us. So it goes you gotta 104 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: pay both ways, right right, and your cancel is UM 105 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: of course arguably exists today in UM. You know, in 106 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: theories that people have about resource extraction by private entities 107 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: or by um, even international bodies like the i m 108 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: F for World Bank totally has nothing to do with this. 109 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: But uh, in the in the early eighteen sixties, Uncle 110 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: Sam started collecting the first national income tax. And you'll 111 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: hear people say, oh, this is eighteen sixty one, um, 112 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: and it was to pay for the Civil War, or 113 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: it was eighteen sixty two or sixty three. But it 114 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: culminates in um in something we'll learn about later when 115 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: they actually passed the act. But early eighteen sixties that's 116 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: when it That's how long it took us to just say, oh, okay, 117 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: now we'll do tax too, yeah, exactly. And that was 118 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: so the original one was that a flat tax or 119 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: a graduated tax, graduated tax, right, um. But we did 120 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: try some other stuff. Right For all those uh, all 121 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: those flat tax proponents who say this is a revolutionary 122 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: thing and it's something that we absolutely have to do. Um, 123 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: don't call it a come back. We tried it before, right, 124 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: that's right, because that was in eighteen sixty seven when 125 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: they tried the flat tax. The only lasted a couple 126 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: of years, that would right. Yeah, it's just well anyway, 127 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: so five years later in eighteen seventy two, the national 128 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: income tax was actually repealed. Um. It just altogether they 129 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: just decided, you know, this was a bad idea, We're 130 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: not going to do this. Um. But the federal government 131 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: went back to relying on basically tariffs, which are kind 132 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: of it's not mercantilism, but it's kind of the same 133 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: thing where you're just taxing imports, exports, that kind of thing, right, 134 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: and excise taxes as well. So, just to be clear, 135 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: the US always had some sort of tax system. People 136 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: had to pay taxes in one way or another. They 137 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: didn't have to pay as many, but uh, tariffs are 138 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: not a sustainable model for this kind of thing at least, 139 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: and that's what the federal government found. Things got ugly, 140 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: things got really ugly. Um. And a few years later, 141 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 1: Congress passed what was called the Income Tax Act of 142 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: So this tax two of personal income that was more 143 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: than four thousand dollars, which was a lot of money 144 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: back then. And uh, but not a lot of people 145 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: have that amount of money, right, Yeah, how like we're 146 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: looking at it. You're looking at again something that we've 147 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: talked about the top ten percent. Um, it's not the 148 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: one percent back then, but still only ten percent of 149 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: people are affected by this, and the Supreme Court wild out, No, 150 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. They did say it was unconstitutional though. Um 151 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: they said that income tax did not abide by a 152 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: specific constitutional guideline. And this is kind of it's kind 153 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: of a dry thing that doesn't sound important, but it's 154 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: part of this story. Here's the guideline. The guideline says 155 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: that in the Constitution that any tax levied directly on 156 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: people on the citizens asked to be levied in proportion 157 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: to the state's population. So you can't just, um, you know, 158 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: if we take one of the most populous states, which 159 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: would be California, and then we take one of the 160 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: least populous states, which would be North Dakota, a tax 161 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: on the exact same right, that's unconstitutional. So Congress wild out, 162 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm kidding about. What they did was keep doing that 163 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: but then not. But in nine same year, everybody's favorite 164 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve Act has passed. Congress passed the sixteenth Amendment 165 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: to get around this, so you know, okay, so I'm 166 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and read the sixteenth Amendment. Someone complained 167 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: that we didn't actually read the sixteenth Amendment on our 168 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: video recently about taxes. I just want to point out 169 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: that it is there in the very beginning. If you 170 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: pause the video as the opening is happening, the entire 171 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: text is there. So here it is. The sixteenth Amendment reads, 172 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: the Congress shall have the power to lay and collect 173 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: taxes on incomes from whatever source derived, without apportionment among 174 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. 175 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: That was a great read, Nolan. I both like made 176 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: eye contact and nodded um in the affirmative to your read, Matt, 177 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: Thanks buddy. So essentially this gave the government the power 178 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: to do what they want, and it made the changing 179 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: the constitution made the income tax finally constitutional regardless of 180 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: which state a citizen resides in. But then another thing 181 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: happened this year, and that was the Underwood Tariff Act 182 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: of n This also had an income tax section, and 183 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: it initiated the progressive system that we're you know, balling 184 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: out on today. And then fast forward all the way 185 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: to the nineteen forties. During World War two, um, the 186 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: federal government started using this withholding tax system, which is 187 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: kind of it's also known as pay as you go 188 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: and and pay as you earn taxation. Yes, so we 189 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: have a I did a video for this on one 190 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: of our other shows, Brain Stuff, which is just how 191 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: income tax works. And this is something that a lot 192 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: of people need to think of out you know. You 193 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: see it all the time in the United States around 194 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: tax season. People get so excited and say, I'm going 195 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: to get a refund. You know, the government is giving 196 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: me a refund. I can't wait to buy like a 197 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: Flying Squirrel series. Yeah, as though it's new money or somehow. 198 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, like your rocks. I don't know what. 199 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: What's ridiculous stuff you could buy with the refund? Well, 200 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: for I'm just thinking about my house and the things 201 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: that I would have bought if I had gotten a refund, 202 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: which I didn't. We uh, okay, something I would have 203 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: gotten something no, well, practical but crazy, like maybe I 204 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: don't know, um, some kind of large cage for my 205 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: dog to run around in the back. But but it 206 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: would be a huge enclosure and it would have all 207 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: kinds of things for her to run around and jump on. 208 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: It's like a habitat. It would be a yeah, massive 209 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: habitat for my dog. Yeah, Okay, I'm not sure. I 210 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: think I would uh take a trip to do something 211 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: incredibly impractical and really publish size it so I'd say, 212 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, Otto, it's the anniversary of the first performance 213 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: of the famous French professional flashy List, which is a 214 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: real thing. Yeah, I would go there and take pictures 215 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: of me standing around pretending to fart in places which 216 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure France would love. Speaking of music, 217 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna redact mine. I'm gonna say I would get 218 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: I would get one of those acrylic see through drum 219 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: kits that costs like you know what I would I 220 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: know what I would do. I would make a music 221 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: video with what with us like we would do well, 222 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: you know we do at it. No, would you be 223 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: down with that? Okay, no one would be down with 224 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: that either are called the artists. Our producer has corrected me. 225 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: These are fartists, and I apologize. He was looking it 226 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: up immediately right he started talking about it. Yeah, I 227 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: got the side I for that one. However, um, what 228 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: what we're saying here when we talk about this thing 229 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: is that is not quite the free money that a 230 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of people mistake it for your paying taxes every 231 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: single time you get a paycheck in the US right 232 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: and later it's just settling the tab. Does the government 233 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: owe you money some of the money that they took 234 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: from you, or do you owe them more money than 235 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: you gave them? So people have been going absolutely nuts 236 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: about this ever since. Well, yeah, because nobody wants to 237 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: pay that much money, even even if you go through 238 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: and you really think about all the things you're getting 239 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: by paying these taxes. It's just something I think, just 240 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: deep inside, it feels like you're getting ripped off, especially 241 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: if you have to when you settle up your tab 242 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: you have to pay even more. I can totally understand 243 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: the feeling. But there are a lot of people think 244 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: there's more to this story, that it's not just us 245 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: paying taxes to get things, to get roads and public education. Uh. 246 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: People think it goes a little deeper. Ah, that sounds 247 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: like you're saying there might be a conspiratorial angle. Oh yes, 248 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: uh so yeah, it's true. There are loads of ways 249 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: to get out of pain taxes, but they are also 250 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of arguments against paying taxes at all. Uh. 251 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: And a lot of these arguments say, hey, this is 252 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: a huge conspiracy perpetrated upon you the citizen. That's right. 253 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: One of the ones we found is from tax dash 254 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: freedom dot Com and uh it's from this information comes 255 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: from Irwin Schiff, and uh it essentially says that the 256 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: entire federal judiciary is involved in this monumental criminal conspiracy 257 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: to collect income taxes uh in violation of overall law 258 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: of the law of the land. And he has a 259 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: specific argument for this um, which I think we also 260 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: have a quote for right. Yes, we do. Since the 261 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: income tax was repealed in nineteen fifty four when Congress 262 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: adopted the nineteen fifty four Code, it is clear that 263 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: for fifty years federal judges have been in conspiracy with 264 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: the U. S. Department of Justice and prosecutors, and they 265 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: have been illegally and criminally prosecuting people for crimes that 266 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: do not exist in connection with the tax that nobody owes. Now. 267 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, we have to point out one thing about her. 268 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: When shift he was it was given a thirteen year 269 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: prison sentence for tax fraud. And as we know, if 270 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: quite a few people who are imprisoned do believe in 271 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: various conspiracy theories, and I don't I don't blame them, 272 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: because I mean, there are a couple that have definitely 273 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: proven to be true. Private prisons are incentivized to keep 274 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: people in prison. Right, Oh yeah, sure, I can totally 275 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: see how that environment will it lead you to believe 276 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: there's wrongdoing going well, and and you know, to be fair, 277 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: something probably went wrong to get you there. But you know, 278 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: we all know that there's corruption across all of any system. 279 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: In any system, there is going to be some form 280 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: of corruption, so right, and of course that that's an 281 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: inevitable thing. We see countless acts of corruption when it 282 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: comes to taxation, with frivolous attempts to dodge tax which 283 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: carries a five thousand dollar fine and stuff. But one 284 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: of the other conspiracies to set this to set this up, um, 285 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: I want to point out a couple of things. First, 286 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: the federal government uses tax dollars to maintain liquidity throughout 287 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: the year, right, which is why the pay as you 288 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: go system works so well for the government. Um. And 289 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: you know for a lot of people who prefer the 290 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: illusion of getting getting a bunch of money exactly set 291 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: of a refund. But um, one thing that is true 292 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: is that voters have no direct discretion or control over 293 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: where their specific dollars go. This is one of my 294 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: biggest concerns over taxes. Right. There's so there's no there's 295 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: no analytical device to try to impose. That would be 296 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: nightmarish because there are a lot of things that people 297 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to pay for. Um, because the majority of 298 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: taxpayers in this country are not the majority of policymakers UM, 299 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: and the policymakers often times have different goals. Yeah, well 300 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the terrible truth, right, because it would 301 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: be impossible to have a voting system where we all say, Okay, 302 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: this is where I want my how I want my 303 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: tax money apportions, right, and we have you know, we 304 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: also have mob rules, so people could people could freak 305 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: out about the latest horror story of the month, their 306 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: trending Facebook thing, and then boom, no more money for 307 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: I don't know the c d C or for what's 308 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: something anyone can get along with roads. No money for 309 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: this road, no money for edgy education or whatever. There's 310 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: the point being that it would make the uh stability 311 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: of the government a very difficult proposition. But also it 312 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: means that when you pay taxes, you may be paying 313 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: for things that you would not given the chance UH 314 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: decide to support. So let's go back to Irwin shift 315 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: just for a moment, then, uh, not to shift shift gears. Sorry, 316 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: and speaking of things that ah that I would support, Ben, 317 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: I think we have a word from our sponsor. M Well, 318 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: hello there, sir. Are you tired of paying taxes with money? Well? 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So now 347 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: that we're at a good halfway point, let's dive right 348 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: into some of the biggest arguments about vexation, which also 349 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: incorporate conspiracy matt um. A lot of times it's the 350 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: little things, right, Some of the biggest things are the 351 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: littlest things. So um. One thing we can talk about 352 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: are the semantics of taxes and the way people discuss semantics. Right. 353 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: It goes back to the wording of various amendments, um, 354 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: like who are we the people? What is the difference 355 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: between income and wages, because people argue that wages are 356 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: not income and that income itself, for instance, is only 357 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: derived from investments or something like that, and that has 358 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: often been um has often been kind of dismissed by 359 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: the courts. And by kind of, I mean, what's the 360 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: word with prejudice. Well, it's okay. We had a great 361 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: response on our video series on this because couple of 362 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: people pointed out and correctly, that there were cases where 363 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: someone argued that they shouldn't have to pay income tax 364 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: and they the jury did find in their favor. These, however, 365 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: were civil courts, not criminal courts, and one of the 366 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: differences in there is that a civil court only decides 367 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: if a crime was committed and the crime was intentionally committed. 368 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: And because there was a jury of the peers that 369 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: agreed with the defendant, defendant was found not guilty. And 370 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: we love these corrections. And if you check out our 371 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: video either on our own website, Stuffing Once you Know 372 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: dot com or YouTube, you can learn a lot more 373 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: about it. But now it's time to talk about the 374 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: constitutional arguments. That's right. It's not just the sixteenth Amendment, correct, 375 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: that's correct. You can also look at the First Amendment, 376 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: freedom of speech. A lot of time people believe that 377 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: because you have to write things on a tax form, 378 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: it's violating your freedom of speech, Okay, or like that 379 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: violates your freedom of religion. Um, if you have a 380 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: religious objection to paying taxes. But we know that doesn't 381 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: really that doesn't really work. There are special codes or 382 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: exemptions that and a mom or priest or rabbi or 383 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: whomever a religious officer might have. But the US Court 384 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: already ruled in a case called Reynolds versus the United States, 385 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: that you still have to obey the law no matter 386 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: how much you believe that it doesn't apply to Yeah, 387 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: but they'll you know, you might get a deduction here 388 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: there for uh, for your religious beliefs. Um, but you're 389 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: certainly not exempt to paying the tax if you're gonna 390 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: live inside the country. Here's one that's interesting. It makes 391 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: sense to me. Um, this surprised me a by how 392 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: much it made sense. Could you plead the fifth to 393 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: avoid paying your taxes? Let's think so, right, So you say, look, 394 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: I r s I'm not gonna file my taxes because 395 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: I would be incriminating myself. Yeah, it's just great. Oh wow, 396 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: that's quite ingenious. Did it work? No, it didn't work. Yeah, 397 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: that's a good question. Um. There was a case with 398 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: US versus Sullivan where Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes uh said 399 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: that he well, essentially he said, no, you're ridiculous. I mean, 400 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: being a Supreme Court justice. He didn't say stop being ridiculous, 401 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: but he did he did clearly outline why you can't 402 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: do this. There. I do like the idea, though, man, 403 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: I have to say, just at least coming up with 404 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: that idea and and fighting it in court, trying, really 405 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: trying fighting in court that way. That's I don't that 406 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: takes moxie. And then there's another idea here that the 407 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: takings the word takings in the in the Fifth Amendments 408 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: taking clause means that you can't take something from a 409 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: taxpayer unless they receive just compensation. And uh. The U. S. 410 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: Supreme Court rejected this one too, And numerous arguments about 411 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: due process um have been made, so the idea that 412 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: you can't be deprived of life, liberty, and property without 413 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: due process. But um, there's a huge list of courts 414 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: and cases that have flatly rejected this. I mean, I 415 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: guess we could read them. It's a long list. Yeah, 416 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to read out this laundry list. If 417 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: you really want to know all these cases, just email 418 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: us at Conspiracy of Discovery dot com and I'll just 419 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: send it to you. That's probably the easiest way for 420 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: us to handle this, sure thing and agreed. The thirteenth 421 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: Amendment is another story. This concerns a guy named Arthur J. Porth. 422 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: He said that the whole sixteenth Amendment was um inconstitutional 423 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: because the Okay, here we go, here's his pitch. I 424 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: feel like all these guys are making pictures. Uh, the 425 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: income tax under the I R. S Code of ninety 426 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: nine was involuntary servitude servititude, which violated the thirteenth Amendment. 427 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: And uh, you know he lost his case. Um an 428 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: interesting argument. Sorry not to glaze over that one, but 429 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: but the thirteenth Amendment was one that I found particularly interesting. 430 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: Just the idea that we are not citizens of the 431 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: United States government as a whole, but we are each 432 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: citizens of the state in which we live. That idea, Yeah, Um, 433 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: that's that's interesting because the argument from there would go, therefore, 434 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: Washington has no power to tax anybody who's not specifically 435 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: on federal land. However, they all so there's another argument there. 436 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: I think that's the fourteenth Amendment. There's also the argument 437 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: that was never properly ratified. This has of course been rejected. 438 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: And there's this argument that there is a missing thirteenth 439 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: Amendment and the Constitution matt the titles of nobility amendment. 440 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: So this sounds rich. I like this. So according to 441 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: this story, the unproven story, this would take citizenship away 442 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: from any person receiving a title of nobility. Therefore, and 443 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this quote. Therefore, actions taken by 444 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: lawyers and judges used the title esquire, which protesters claims 445 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: as nobility um are monarchical and therefore unconstitutional. Interesting. See, 446 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: I would want to argue that if you use that 447 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: in your name and you are nobility, then you are 448 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: above the citizenry and enabled to be taxed. But then 449 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: they said, oh, who is this esquire dude trying to 450 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: take my thirty plus percent um? So how I I'm 451 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: just interested here. When when a lot of these arguments 452 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: were reading, or in the mid nineteenth century, late nineteenth century, 453 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: when do you think this one came around. Let's say 454 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess here. Okay, do I get a whole century? 455 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: That's a long time. Um, yeah, yeah, you get a 456 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: whole century. It's up to you. Well, it's got to 457 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: be the twentieth century. It probably probably right that it 458 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: came around then. It was argued as recently it's two 459 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: thousand and five. Wow. Really yep, in a case called 460 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Campion versus Towns. It was a defense to a charge 461 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: of tax evasion. Okay, So the next one is a 462 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: huge argument. I've seen this all over the place. You 463 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: can go on YouTube and find a ton of videos 464 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: that argue about personal sovereignty or being a sovereign individual 465 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: inside a state or a land, and or now they 466 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: even calling those natural individuals sometimes and uh, they're basically 467 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: saying that they have not requested the things that would 468 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: come along with paying your taxes. They don't need to 469 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: use the resources and the things that you gain from 470 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: paying taxes, therefore they don't have to pay for them. 471 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: So and when they say this, they mean stuff like 472 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: no food stamps, no unemployment insurance. Typically ignore the intangible 473 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: things like um cleaner environment or general safety. Right, but 474 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: you know that's a hot that's a hot button to sure, yeah, 475 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: but but there are I mean, there are intangible things 476 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: all over the place at good point um. Also, this 477 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: has been rejected in numerous cases, just like the federal 478 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: zone thing, and oh one of the very last ones. 479 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: One argument that a lot of tax protesters make is 480 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: that the income of individuals is not taxable because income 481 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: should only mean corporate profits corporate and as we learned 482 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: in one of our recent videos on corporate taxation, the 483 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: world of taxes and corporations is incredibly complex, and some 484 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: some companies managed to pay very little UM in income 485 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: tax for for corporations, which I think is at what 486 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: thirty is the standard. It's really interesting in the research 487 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: for that particular episode, you start to see more of 488 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: the gray areas in the corporations, which I hate to 489 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: say because generally I just get upset when I imagine 490 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: the just the billions of dollars that companies corporations get 491 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: away with not paying taxes on. But then you look 492 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: around and some of the arguments that we found is 493 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: that they may be paying taxes not necessarily in the US, 494 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: but outside to other states, to other countries. Yes, base 495 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: if something is based around the world and they're paying 496 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: but it just it still feels somehow unjust. I think 497 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: one of the things that bothers a lot of people 498 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: is that we all know that the average Jane or 499 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: John Doe and a small business will almost never have 500 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: an entire cadre of top gun level accountants who are 501 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: there too, uh to make sure that you don't have 502 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: to pay anything. And you know, one of the big 503 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: concerns that we raised that video is that after a 504 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: certain threshold, is it possible that corporations are sculpting the 505 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: laws through via things like ALEC and via other lobbying initiatives. 506 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: I think it's more than possible. I think it's just 507 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: the outright truth that area. Um. So we've run through 508 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: some of the biggest tax conspiracy theories, and I have 509 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: got to applaud us for not going into the FED, 510 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: which is a whole different podcast. However, Matt, at this point, 511 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: I have to ask you which of these sounds most 512 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: plausible if you had to pick one to go on court. 513 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: Oh man, oh, thank you for that question. Then if 514 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: I had to go in court and argue for one 515 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: of these, oh, I would probably. I don't know. I 516 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: like I like the freedom of speech. One as silly 517 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: as it sounds, just because I can actually see the 518 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: connection there. Um, but it's out there. I don't know, 519 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: you know what I would go with the Freeman argument, 520 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: I would do it. I want to do it. Matt 521 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Frederick sovereign. Matt Frederick is not Matt Frederick the the 522 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: corporation or Matt Frederick the company. And uh, you know 523 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: it's oh yeah, going back to uh one of the 524 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: language things that's that's fascinating because there are quite a 525 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: few separatist groups here in Georgia alone. You know, of 526 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: course we're in the state of Georgia. Here in the US, 527 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: there are several separatist groups, one of which was I 528 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: think the saw Brand Nation of Georgia. And these guys 529 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: had their own license plates, who are making their own 530 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: ideas and stuff. But these these separatist groups, especially in 531 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: such a huge country, pop up more than you might 532 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: think if you just watch mainstream news, because of course 533 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: mainstream news is not going to give attention to that 534 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, it's it's definitely, it's definitely suppressed, 535 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 1: but it definitely happens. And when those guys get busted, 536 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: one of the things they get busted for is is 537 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: that argument I would go with. I would hedge my bets, 538 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: so I would I would get a religious belief or 539 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: live in a religious environment, you know, right, And then 540 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: when it came time to pay my taxes, I would 541 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: say that I can't because of my religious beliefs. And 542 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: even if I could, I'm protected by the Fifth Amendment. 543 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: And then there that's it. And if they ever asked 544 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: me what the religious beliefs are, hopefully I would have 545 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: something good. Maybe I would just keep leading the fifth. 546 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: I cannot tell you, well, you just keep going back, 547 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: so I I plead the fifth. Well, but I also 548 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: plead the first. So I can't write anything down. Um, 549 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: I refused to follow the First Amendment due to the 550 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment. I will see that incriminate myself through the 551 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: freedom of speech. As silly as we're making it sound, 552 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: I I just like the fact that it would be 553 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: terribly annoying for anyone who's trying to try you just 554 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: if you, you know, if you argued the Freeman argument, 555 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: or you argued just any of those that are ridiculously complicated, 556 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't I think it would be fun. However, 557 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: if you're no neither of us of course or any 558 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: experts on taxation, UM, nor litigation. But we do know 559 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: that there have been cases. Again, thank you to viewers 560 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: out there who let us know that there have been 561 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: cases where in in a civil court a jury found 562 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: that someone had not committed a criminal act. The this 563 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: is not the same thing as something that sets a 564 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: precedent with a finding judge. Yeah, it's you know, a 565 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: court of appeals or something. This is This is entirely 566 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: jury trials. But I was speaking more generally than I 567 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: should have been when I said that it's never held up. 568 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: It has not held up in cases where a judge 569 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: is making the decision. UM. Thank you guys for listening. 570 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 1: We do want to point out before we head out 571 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: that we're treating this with a little bit of humor. 572 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is this, The Constitution 573 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: of the United States is a living document, and the 574 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: precedent of litigation only exists because people challenge laws. So 575 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: I have immense respect for anyone who is honestly and 576 00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: sincerely going through the entire hassle of a of a 577 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: court system and risking the danger of imprisonment for something 578 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: they believe in. I don't think I don't think it 579 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: is inherently wrong to to challenge a law with which 580 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: you disagree. That is part of the way the court 581 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: system is supposed to work, right. Oh yeah, I applaud 582 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: anyone that has you know, that decides they're gonna stand 583 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,959 Speaker 1: up and try and fight for what they believe in. Now, 584 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: I I know that is also speaking generalizations. I know 585 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: that that also potentially encompasses a lot of things with 586 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: which I might not agree absolutely. But that's that's part 587 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: of what we're supposed to be. Oh wait, we finally 588 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: got to say it. That's part of what your tax 589 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: dollars pay for is the right to uh, is the 590 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: right to raise those concerns and uh. You know, if 591 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: you are in a jury case, you don't know the 592 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: the other twelve people may say, hey, that guy's got 593 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: a point in my case. They would say, hey, that 594 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: guy with his weird religion, because I'm just gonna make 595 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: one up. He has a point. He shouldn't have to 596 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: incriminate himself. And then I'll say, hey, do you guys 597 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: want to join my cult? And then I'll say, hey, 598 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: you ever heard of jury nullification? And they'll be like, 599 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: oh yeah, didn't that guy get arrested for passing out 600 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: information about journy ualification. Um Jury nullification is the idea 601 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: that a jury can careful, be careful, Ben, I don't know, 602 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: are you serious? Well, maybe it's a story for another day. 603 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: We'll look. 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