1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hey disco's, you can listen to an extended version of 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: this after party episode by becoming a member of Disgraceland 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: All Access. Just go to disgracelandpod dot com slash membership 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: for more details and to sign up. Hey guys, welcome 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, which is brought to you by Double Elvis. 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: This week we have our episode on Heath Ledger and 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: the Disgrace Sland feed, and for our all Access members 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: and our Patreon and Apple subscription feeds, we have episodes 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: on Lane Staly of Alison Chains and Hunter S. 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Hey discos, need a little 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: more Disgraceland in your life, just to touch to get 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: you through. Yeah me too. This is the podcast that 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: like to call the after party. This is the show 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party. The bridge 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: this episode, we are talking about this week's full episode 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: of Disgraceland on Heath Ledger. Favorite fight scenes from our 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: favorite films, the sources that we used for our recent 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland, which helped us uncover one of the 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: wildest paparazzi stories that we've ever heard, This one of 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: fourse on Heath Ledger. And of course we're getting into 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: your voicemails, your text your dms and more and as always, 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. All right, disc goes, Let's 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: say get into it. Where is the line? And how 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: do you know if you passed it? That's the question. 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: I've been close to the line. I think most of 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: us have. I'm sure some of us though never have, 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: and I envy you, But who among you has walked 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: up to the line and stepped over it, either willingly 42 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: or unwillingly. The line is madness. The line is extremism, 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: The line is addiction. The line is obsession. The line 44 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: is many things. You know it when you approach it. 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: For me, it would always show up at about five 46 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: am in some strangers kitchen. Most recently, however, it's shown 47 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: up in my work. How far do you go? How 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: high do you try to jump? Knowing that the more 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: you try, the harder the pain when you fall, or well, 50 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: we've discussed countless musicians who've crossed the line, murderers, cult leaders, addicts, 51 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: and of course we've also discussed numerous actors who've crossed 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: the line. Now, musicians tend to cross over. Like most 53 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: people we know, and most people that we know and 54 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: we recognize, the musicians incorporate their extreme behavior into their lifestyle. This, 55 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: as you know, can be very scary when the successful 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: or even struggling songwriter suddenly thinks he's Jesus and starts 57 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: a real life cult well paging mister Manson. But actors 58 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: tend to cross the line for their craft. Many make 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: it back over the line to become themselves again. Most 60 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: do to go on leading happy lives as family men 61 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and women or whatever. But of course many do not, 62 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: and we've all heard the stories of actors famously committing 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: themselves to the roles in many cases to achieve staggering 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: creative success. Jamie Foxx gluing his eyeshut to play Ray, 65 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Charles Nick Cage having his teeth pulled without anesthetic for 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: his role in Birdie, Robert de Niro breaking Joe Peshi's 67 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: rib in Raging bull Ouch, Christian Bale, of course, losing 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: sixty five pounds living on only an apple and a 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: coffee a day to prep for his role in The Machinist. 70 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: All these actors went further than was ever expected of 71 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: them to make the roles that they were playing more authentic, 72 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 1: more believable, more relatable, crossing the line with their method 73 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: acting approach, playing the part, achieving success with sometimes dangerous consequences, 74 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: and then most importantly, crossing back over again, like I said, 75 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: to go back to their normal lives and eventually play 76 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: other roles and act in other films. All of them survived. 77 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: Everyone I just mentioned Jamie fox Nick Nicholas Cage, Joe Petci, 78 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Christian Bale, Robert de Niro. Heath Ledger did not. He 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: crossed the line and it seems he wasn't ever able 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: to fully make it back. Many elements contributed to Heath 81 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Ledger's death at a young age, but his death coming 82 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: on the heels of his obsessive research into a commitment 83 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: to his role in The Joker in two thousand, It's 84 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: The Dark Knight is no doubt a key contributor. To 85 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: say the role killed Heath Ledger is unfair and inaccurate. 86 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: It's not like Heath Ledger didn't have agency. He did. 87 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: But I believe while researching the role of the Joker, 88 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: some internal tripwire in Heath Ledger was triggered, some line 89 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: was crossed, and he never made it fully back. You 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: can hear all about the results in this week's full 91 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: episode of disgraceand However, one of the ways in which 92 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: Heath Ledger's incredible research and commitment to the role manifested 93 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: on screen in The Dark Knight is during the famous 94 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: fight scene between his character The Joker and Christian Bales Batman. 95 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: The results are violent, to say the least, painful, super real, 96 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: and again you can hear about it in this week's 97 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: full episode of Disgraceland on Heath Ledger. But it got 98 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: me thinking about some of the greatest fight scenes in 99 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: Hollywood history and trying to nail that list down to 100 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: my five favorite five favorite fight scenes. And WHOA was 101 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: this not an easy task. It is really an impossible task. 102 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: Think about it. Think about how many great fight scenes 103 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: there are in films, even movies that aren't action movies, 104 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: comedies have great fight scenes sometimes. But that doesn't mean 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to do this. It doesn't 106 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: mean I'm not going to ask you for your five 107 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: favorite fight scenes either. I am. But first here are mine. 108 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Number five Leonardo DiCaprio versus the Bear in Revenant, because 109 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this before and it's indescribably 110 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: violent and harrowing. I'm not even gonna try to explain 111 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: what this is. It's just literally Leonardo DiCaprio's character versus 112 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: a massive bear and they get in a fight and 113 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: it's fucking unbelievable. You have to watch this. If you 114 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: have not seen it, I guarantee you you've never seen 115 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: anything like it before. Number four Batman versus Bane. That's right, 116 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: not Batman versus a joker from the Dark Knight. Why. 117 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, To be honest, it's kind of heath 118 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: ledgered out by the time I get around to researching 119 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: this fight list. So there you go. Number three The 120 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: Handsome Brothers versus everyone from Slap Shot. This might be 121 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: my favorite, probably the funniest and most absurd, but I 122 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: had to hold it at three for reasons I'll explain 123 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: right now. Number two Tommy and Jimmy versus Billy Bats 124 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: and Goodfellas. I know this is going to get some 125 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: of you pissed off at me because it's not much 126 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: of a fight. It's more of an ambush. But the 127 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: Donovan saw im playing in the background, contrasted with Scorsese's 128 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: violence makes this one hard to talk for me personally, 129 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: and okay speaking to personally. And number one, the greatest 130 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: fight scene in the history of Hollywood film. This is 131 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: so stupid. It sounds so dumb coming out of my 132 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: mouth trying to actually narrow this down to five. And 133 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: never mind one the number one though, the number one 134 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: fight scene. Though from my point of view, Rocky versus 135 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: Apollo Creed in Rocky Why, okay, it has nothing to 136 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: do with boxing, It has nothing to do with how 137 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: it's shot. And yes, I know that the fight scenes 138 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: in Raging Bowl and countless other movies are better than 139 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: this fight scene. I know that by the end of 140 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Rocky we're not even sure who won. I mean, let's 141 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: be honest. Can you actually remember the reason Rocky versus 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: Apollo Creed is the greatest fight scene of all time 143 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: is because of one word love. By the end, when 144 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: Rocky is so beaten and battered that he can barely stand, 145 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: he made it man. He went the distance, which is 146 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: all he wanted to do, and in that moment his 147 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: greatest and most triumphant moment, the moment where he personally 148 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: persevered to slay his dragon, In that moment when the 149 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: eyes of his beloved hometown of Philadelphia and of the 150 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: world are shining down on him favorably, when Rocky succeeds 151 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: and becoming the one thing he most certainly wanted to become, 152 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: which is someone who wasn't just another bump from the neighborhood. 153 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: In that great moment of personal triumph, what does Rocky do? 154 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: He cries of for Adrian. He doesn't want glory, he 155 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: wants his girl. It's love, love, love, and more love. 156 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: It's all Rocky needs, and Rocky is the greatest love 157 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: story ever told, because love is all any of us need, 158 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: and so when the greatest love story culminates with a fight, 159 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 1: that fight scene must therefore be the greatest two right right? 160 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, seems logical to me? Fight me if 161 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: you don't agree, Actually don't. I'm not resorting to violence 162 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: from my work. That would be crossing the line. So 163 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: let me know you're five. Just five, Five favorite fight 164 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: scenes from Hollywood history six one seven nine oh six 165 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: six six three eight, voicemail and text. I'll be back 166 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: in a flash. Let's talk for a minute about the 167 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: sources we use for this episode. There are a couple 168 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: of books out there that were super helpful for us. 169 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: One called Heath Ledger, Hollywood's Dark Star by Brian J. 170 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Robb In. Another called Dark Joker Heath Ledger's Joker Transformation, 171 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: the Filming Days of Dark Night and his Tragic Death 172 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: by Marcus Dakota. That's another one. The latter is a 173 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: little tough to find, I believe it's self published, but 174 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: both books contained plenty of holy shit moments. Whether it 175 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: was the idea that Heath may have had a hard 176 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: time shaking his iconic role as the Joker, or even 177 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: the one one of the most fucked up encounters that 178 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: an actor has ever had with the paparazzi, but more 179 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: on that later. In addition to the books, though, we used, 180 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: of course, the twenty seventeen documentary I Am Heath Ledger 181 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: as well, which Heath's family participated in after Heath's partner 182 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: Michelle Williams gave the film her blessing. It's worth noting 183 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: two that when we're researching these subjects for Disgrace Sand episodes, 184 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: the more contemporary the subject, the less definitive research materials 185 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: you have to go on sometimes. And what I mean 186 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: by this is that if you're researching a subject like 187 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, Marlon Brando excuse me, or Bob Marley or 188 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: any other major actor or musician or artist from the past, 189 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: there's often a ton of sources out there in terms 190 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: of major books, and you can pretty easily figure out 191 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: which ones are perhaps more credible than others. And like 192 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: I talked about the other week with Steve McQueen, it's 193 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: often helpful to have a few at your disposal for 194 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: different points of view, but with a more contemporary figure 195 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: like Heath Ledger, it can be way more difficult to 196 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: have access to a complete picture. And by complete all 197 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean is a portrait of the artist that has 198 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight of time, years and decades in 199 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: which people who didn't speak before are now speaking. New information, 200 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: new details come to light that weren't available before. Oftentimes 201 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: you get sources who have different interests than those who 202 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: are close to the subject, who aren't, let's say so 203 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: concerned with maintaining legacy and that sort of thing, and 204 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: often you get a more honest portrayal. Heath Ledger is 205 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: of course gone tragically, but in some ways it's going 206 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: to be a while before we truly understand some of 207 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: the things about his life and some of the things 208 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: about his death. And I say all this not to 209 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: say that researching and writing an episode on Heath Ledger 210 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: is more difficult per se. But it's just a different beast, 211 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: and you should know that when you're listening to these 212 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: more contemporary subjects in Disgraceland. However, I think we did 213 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: the Heath Ledger story justice. You know, this was eventually 214 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this was originally a bad Lands episode that 215 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: we released a couple of years ago. It's never been 216 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: in the Disgraceland feed for the Disgraceland listeners. It is now. 217 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: When we released the bad Lands episode, I was contacted 218 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: by Vice Vice TV to be part of their series 219 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: Resolved in their episode on Heath Ledger, and that invitation 220 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: came on the heels of them hearing what was the 221 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: Badlands episode which we produced on Heath Ledger, which many 222 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: of you are now hearing for the first time in Disgraceland. 223 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: And if you're curious, you can find that that Vice 224 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: episode out there with me in it. It's on the internet. 225 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: Just search Resolved Heath Ledger and you'll see yours truly 226 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: there talking Heath. Okay, but I want to know what 227 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: do you think about this episode we did? Where do 228 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: you stand on Heath Ledger? What's his best performance? To me? 229 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: It's either The Dark Knight or Broke Back Mountain. It's 230 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: those two, and those two only in the in the 231 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: sort of pantheon the apex of his career. Let me 232 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: know which one you think. I don't know. That's a 233 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: tough one. I'm thinking about it now. Sorry, I'm getting 234 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: tripped up thinking about which one I actually think is 235 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: better The Dark Knight or Broke Back Mountain. That's a 236 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: tough one. It's a really tough one. And is Heath 237 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: one of your favorite actors of the early two thousands? 238 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: If not, who is? Hit me up? Let me know 239 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: six one seven, nine oh six, six, six, three eight, 240 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: and especially hit me up on your top five favorite 241 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: fight scenes from Hollywood? Is Heath Ledger and Christian Bale 242 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: from the Dark Knight? Does it crack your top five? 243 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: If not, what is your top five? Six one seven, 244 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: nine oh six, six, six three eight. Just like Michael 245 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: from The four one. 246 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: Five, Hey Jakes and Michael from hand Tranmick Michigan, you 247 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: already named the greatest cover signs all along the watch Tower, 248 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: Pretty Woman's Fine, that's my favorite track on that album. 249 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: I actually think that, Uh, the cover of the Cakes too, 250 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: and Where of All the Good Times Gone? 251 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: Is awesome? 252 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: Killer? 253 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: All Right? 254 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: Love your show, damn. 255 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: Mike, Thanks brother. Yeah, we talked about those two in particular. Man, 256 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: this is the subject that just keeps on giving. People 257 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: don't want to stop talking about the greatest covers of 258 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: all time. And I don't blame me. It's a compelling subject. 259 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: But we talked about all the all on the watch 260 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: Shower of course, and pretty woman? Where have all the 261 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: good times gone? By? The Kinks? And I can't tell 262 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: I should know this. Did the Kinks cover that from 263 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: somebody else who wrote it? Or are you referring to 264 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: David Bowie's cover of the Kinks vert? I always thought 265 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Bowie covered the Kinks? Am I getting this wrong? Let 266 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: me know? Six one seven nine six six six three 267 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: eight voicemail or text eight one four texts in. Hey, 268 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: an episode about Ozzy Osborne trying to kill Sharon after 269 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the Moscow Peace Festival would be cool. Hey, we have 270 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: that episode. It's in our archive. Go search out Ozzy Osbourne. 271 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: You will get it, all right, check it out. Seven 272 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: one nine rights in regarding Miss Harry referring to Debbie Harry. 273 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna say, Debbie Harry. Regarding Debbie Harry's 274 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: Ted Bundy story, Colan, It's true. One of her besties 275 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: is the jazz ensemble instructor at Ic, where my son 276 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: learned how to connect reading the music to his synesthesia. 277 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: She joined them on Fridays after school to sing. And 278 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: that's it, and presumably seven one nine Get the lowdown 279 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: from Debbie Harry there, all right, Yeah, I mean, look, 280 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: I always believe this story for a couple of reasons. 281 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: One and if you don't know what I'm talking about, 282 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking about we did a Blondie episode. A big 283 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: part of that episode is Debbie Harry's claim that she 284 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: was abducted and escaped from Ted Bundy in the early 285 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: seventies in Manhattan. And I just did a little video 286 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: reel of it and released it on Instagram, So it's 287 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: resurfacing this top here for you guys. But a lot 288 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: of people, so you know, if this is new to you, 289 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people call bullshit on this and think 290 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: that Debbie Harry is mistaken or lying that she did 291 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: not experience this event with Ted Bundy, and a lot 292 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: and I talk about it in the video, and I 293 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: talk about it in the episode. I talk about how 294 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: this has been disputed, however I happen to believe it 295 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: and the reasons I believe it or this. A lot 296 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: of people say Ted Bundy was not in New York 297 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: at that time, Okay, do you really know? Do you 298 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: really know? Now? There is competing evidence that he was elsewhere. 299 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: But it's not like we have an exact timeline of 300 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: where Ted Bundy was at every moment during that decade 301 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: and who he killed. There's all this circumstantial evidence that 302 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: points to the fact that there were many more victims 303 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: that we don't know about. Plus there's also evidence that 304 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: though people say he was not or could not have 305 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: been in Manhattan at that time Debbie Harry claims this 306 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: incident took place, there is evidence that supports that he 307 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: was in Philadelphia, which is like less than a two 308 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: hour drive away from New York. So it stands to 309 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: reason that he could have gone to Manhattan. Okay, put 310 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: that aside for a second. Debbie Harry is a very 311 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: sophisticated person. Okay. She clearly knows that when she puts 312 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: this stuff out there and continues to defend it, that 313 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: people are going to call bullshit on her and attack 314 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: her credibility. And I think Debbie Harry is the type 315 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: of person who actually gives a shit about her image, 316 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: about her legacy. And I think if she found out 317 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: that this was impossible and that she perhaps was mistaken, 318 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, her lion eyes, whatever it was, she would, 319 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: if not corrected the record, at least she would have 320 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: stopped making this claim, which she has not. And now 321 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: people also say, yo, well Debbie Harry was blonde, she 322 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: wasn't Ted Bundy's type who only liked brunettes. Well, Debbie 323 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: Harry actually was a brunette. She was a brunette in 324 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: the early seventies before she dyed her hair and joined Blondie. Okay, 325 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: there you go for those reasons. Plus just Debbie fucking 326 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Harry Man, I don't know. That's why I believe six 327 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight. Do 328 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: you believe Debbie Harry? Let me know. Hit me up 329 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: on the voicemail, hit me up on the text. We're 330 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break. Be right back, Heidi, Hati, hatio. 331 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: We are back, people, And I want to dive into 332 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: this Heath Ledger paparazzi story just a little bit more 333 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: deeply the one that I mentioned up top, a little 334 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 1: bit more deeply. Excuse me, and we clarify that we 335 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: mentioned this paparazzi story up top, and I would like 336 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: to dive into it a little more deeply than we 337 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: did do in the episode right here in the bonus 338 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: episode getting tongue tied this morning. This is happening numerous times. 339 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm recording very early. I gonna go to the doctors 340 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: later today. It's kind of messing up my schedule. 341 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: Uh. 342 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: And then I'm taking off for a brief little vacation 343 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the week. That's kind of messing 344 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: up my schedule as well, jam packing everything front loading 345 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: the week here for me. So I'm recording really early, 346 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: and I'm drinking coffee while I record, which I normally 347 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: don't do, and I don't know it's tripping me up 348 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: or something. Anyways, I digress back to Heath Ledger. Okay, 349 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: this paparazzi story, this crazy story about members of the 350 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: press who tricked Heath into putting himself in a compromising 351 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: position in order for them to get secret photos that 352 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: they could sell for a huge payday. This is a 353 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: fucked up predatory story that we, like I said, we 354 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: get into in the episode. I'm gonna get into a 355 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: little more fully here. But here's the thing. We're going 356 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: to talk about this in the Disgraceland All Access feed. Okay, 357 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: So if you're listening to me say these words, do 358 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: you hear right now? 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Now my moment of bliss and 410 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: honor this week's episode on heath Ledger me reading you. 411 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: The Billboard Hot one hundred chart from the week of 412 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: January nineteenth, two thousand and eight, which was the week 413 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: the Heath Ledger died at the age of twenty eight 414 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: too soon. Number one Low Flow Rider featuring Tea Pain 415 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: last week one, peak position one week's on chart eleven. 416 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: Number two No One Alicia Keys last week two peak 417 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: position one week's on chart eighteen. Number three Apologize Timberland 418 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: featuring on Republic last week three peak position peaks two 419 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: weeks on chirt weeks on twenty three Humber thirteen, Number four, 420 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: Number one Kiss Kiss feature Chris Brownlow Rochery last tp th, 421 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: last week, last peak position, peak weeks on weeks on seventeen, 422 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: number four, number five, pretty class for a year, last 423 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: six peak position weeks. Quit talking and start mixing.