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Speaker 2: If you are a basketball fan, or a parent, or

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Speaker 2: you're facing hardship, you're gonna love today's interview. Over the

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Speaker 2: last few years, the Dallas Mavericks have made six year

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Speaker 2: old Cash Bubba Harris, who has spina bifida, their backup mascot.

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Speaker 2: He's captured the hearts of Maverick players, fans, really people

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Speaker 2: around the world through social media. But Cash's story is

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Speaker 2: also about his physical therapist's dad, who refuses to give

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Speaker 2: up and the joy we can all find on the

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Speaker 2: other side of struggle. Dad's a physical therapist. What do

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Speaker 2: you think about that?

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Speaker 1: Do you like the therapy sessions or are they hard?

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Speaker 2: Like them?

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Speaker 1: You do? Want?

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Speaker 3: I like them because Paba makes them fun. Any challenging

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Speaker 3: me a lot?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Look at that.

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Speaker 2: This is a great Arroyo Grande and you'll get my

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Speaker 2: take on commencements, a legendary singer and a sock puppet.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. I'm Raymond Arroyo. Welcome to Arroyo Grande, Cash

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Speaker 2: Boba Harris and his dad Chase and their inspiring story

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Speaker 1: Come on, okay, a little free flow.

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Speaker 2: Commencement season is upon us, that time when former presidents,

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Speaker 2: talk show hosts, and sports figures get huge paydays for

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Speaker 1: After four years.

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Speaker 2: Graduates are looking for the exits, not a life coach.

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame is whimping out by breaking its tradition of

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Speaker 2: inviting the newly elected president to address it's graduates, which

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Speaker 2: seems silly. I mean, look, if Bush Clinton Obama spoke

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Speaker 2: and they gave Biden their highest honor, surely Trump's appearance

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Speaker 2: won't shake the gold off the dome. What happened to

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Speaker 2: fairness and consistency at America's Catholic university? They may need

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Speaker 2: to go to confession. Katie Ledeki, Usher, even Al Roker

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Speaker 1: Have a clue who al Roker is.

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Speaker 2: The graduates at the University of Maryland got a shock

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Speaker 2: Kermit the Frog. At least it's not Miss Piggy. She

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Speaker 2: might have been more fun but every time they introduced her,

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Speaker 2: the school would have been charged with fat shaming. You know,

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Speaker 2: here's miss Piggy. Now we're giving this award to Piggy,

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't have worked.

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Speaker 2: Graduates have mixed feelings about being sent on their life's

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Speaker 1: Cheer up kid.

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Speaker 2: Last year, a Buffalo university trotted out in AI robot

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations, Do all the graduating students ambrase lifelong learning?

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Speaker 1: Be adaptable?

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Speaker 2: Be so adaptable that you'll give us half a million

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Speaker 2: You can you imagine the whole audience was praying for

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Speaker 2: University of Maryland has to fly Kermit's puppeteerium. It's clear

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Speaker 1: Look, I get it.

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Speaker 2: After years of protests and incendiary speakers, they just don't

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Speaker 1: That's what they're calling it.

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Speaker 2: The school is avoiding having to deal with real issues

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Speaker 2: Having mister Rogers and Bill Cosby as your commencement speakers

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Speaker 2: Correspondence Dinner A big cut just happened. If you don't know,

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Speaker 2: this is the annual gala where Washington journalists and elites

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Speaker 1: Probably you've never heard of, have always done it.

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Speaker 2: This year, the White House Correspondence Association hired comedian and

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Speaker 5: You're kind of a bunch of murderers, I mean so

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Speaker 2: But this is supposed to be entertaining and fun, Amber,

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Speaker 2: It's not a political protest rally. It's not supposed to

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Speaker 1: It's a fun evening.

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Speaker 2: Look, Following Ruffin's comments and the firestorm they drew, the

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Speaker 2: Disney executives in charge of snow White. The association's president wrote,

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Speaker 2: the White House Correspondence Association Board has unanimously decided we

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Speaker 2: are no longer featuring a comedic performance this year. At

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Speaker 2: focus is not on the politics of division, but entirely

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Speaker 2: on awarding our colleagues for their outstanding work and providing

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Speaker 2: did you pick up the hidden admission there? We don't

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Speaker 2: want this year's festivities to be focused on the politics

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Speaker 2: That's the way the White House Course Respondence Association programs

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Speaker 2: riddled with the politics of division. This is the correspondent's

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Speaker 2: payback to the guy who ignores their questions all day long.

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Speaker 2: It's snickering payback in black ties and gowns. Also, why

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Speaker 2: are White House correspondents choosing comedians to entertain anyone they

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Speaker 2: have the collective humor and excitement of Wolf Blitzer at Hooters.

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Speaker 1: Entertainment's just not your thing. Guys, move along, Let somebody

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Speaker 1: else do it. Lead it to the professionals. They don't

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Speaker 1: call it the nerd prom for nothing.

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Speaker 2: If they really want to instill a spirit of unity

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Speaker 2: Steve Martin, Da Carvey, Andrew Schultz. Look, all those guys

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Speaker 2: might take a few shots, but it would not be done.

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Speaker 1: In a cruel or a partisan way. And White House.

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Speaker 2: Correspondence, if you really want to play it safe. Once

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Speaker 2: he's done with the University of Maryland's commencement, maybe Kermit

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Speaker 2: the Frog.

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Speaker 1: Could entertain your guests. He'd be perfect for the DC crowd.

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Speaker 2: He's totally green, and he's worked with animals his whole career.

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Speaker 2: A little salute before we do our interview, A great

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Speaker 2: and I have to say I was really sad when

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Speaker 2: I read this announcement. The legendary singer Johnny Mathis has

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Speaker 2: seven decades, guys, but at eighty nine, he's announced that

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Speaker 2: and he feels it's time to retire now. I've seen

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Speaker 2: me to say, of course, all these Christmas songs, Winter

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Speaker 1: I've watched you.

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Speaker 2: As an audience member on television, but certainly live. You

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Speaker 6: When I was a child, as most poor children are,

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Speaker 6: It was quite traumatic for me to watch myself in

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Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting, though, that this something you wouldn't ask for,

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Speaker 2: you know, something a child didn't desire. It ended up

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Speaker 2: What we remember. It's what you produce even now. Is

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Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible?

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Speaker 2: We get so depressed about the things we lack or

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Speaker 1: Watch this.

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Speaker 2: I am delighted to have you both here, honored to

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Speaker 1: Not not a possibility.

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't something we were going to do.

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Speaker 2: First of all, what was it like dealing with spina

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Speaker 4: Before he came home, No, I think it was over eighteen.

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Speaker 4: It was one. It was two a week. In the beginning,

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Speaker 4: So it's just different things to moving targets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like a video game and they're just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. Tiger Woods once said his father was his

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Speaker 4: It right? Just learning more so than anything.

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Speaker 7: I have a beautiful daughter who's able body the healthiest

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Speaker 4: It's a father effort in the world. You take on this.

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Speaker 4: No pops, I'm struggling right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to do Yeah, and what did you do?

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Speaker 1: Who did you turn to.

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Speaker 4: God, good and man?

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Speaker 7: Just because it was so heavy to see a baby,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know we all anytime pain comes into

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Speaker 4: I think it was for all of us as a family.

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Speaker 4: It was to show me perspective.

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Speaker 7: He lives a life that none of us have to live,

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Speaker 1: Was it made you more determined?

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Speaker 7: So it's a I mean, it's a task, but at

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Speaker 4: So it's just our normal.

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Speaker 1: We'll return to cash and Chase in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But I need to tell you an amazing father son's

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Speaker 1: Of his life. And wait until you hear how it ends.

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Speaker 2: Candido and his six brothers immigrated from Italy at the

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Speaker 2: The only problem was the long drives were exposing him

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Speaker 2: and propellers, so this was not totally outside of his wheelhouse.

445
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Speaker 2: He re engineered a sump pump and mixed water with

446
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: air to create a jet effect. When he placed it

447
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 2: in the family tub, it created a whirlpool that allowed

448
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Speaker 2: Ken to perform his therapy at home and preserve his limbs.

449
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Speaker 1: The doctors were so impressed with the.

450
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Speaker 2: Results they encouraged Candido to patent his pump, which he

451
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Speaker 2: did in nineteen sixty six. Candido's creation would become a

452
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Speaker 2: fixture in American households after his passing in the nineteen eighties,

453
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: his whirlpool tubs were everywhere. They are now simply known

454
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Speaker 2: by Candido's last name, and he's probably the only jacuzzi

455
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Speaker 2: whose story you know. Candido Jacuzzi is another example of

456
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Speaker 2: innovation born of necessity, in this case, a father wanting

457
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Speaker 2: to care for his son and.

458
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Speaker 1: Leaving a jacuzzi for the rest of us. Now you

459
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Speaker 1: know how it ends.

460
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Speaker 2: Dad's a physical therapist. How has that changed your pattern

461
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Speaker 2: your life?

462
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Speaker 3: That it helped me? Like it helped him, like like

463
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Speaker 3: understand like how I do stuff? Like how to I

464
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Speaker 3: do my goals that I set for myself.

465
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Speaker 1: I love that at six years old, you've got goals.

466
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Speaker 3: He helped He helps me past my goals.

467
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Speaker 2: Hmm, You're incredible. I've been following your journey on social media.

468
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Speaker 2: How tell me how being a physical therapist? How did that?

469
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Speaker 2: I mean, having you as a dad of somebody battling

470
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Speaker 2: spine of biffida is very different from if I were

471
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Speaker 2: the dad of somebody with fine bifit because you come

472
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Speaker 2: with all this physical therapy knowledge. How did you apply

473
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Speaker 2: that to the therapy of your son? And the daily

474
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Speaker 2: practice will weekly practice?

475
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always said he is my most.

476
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Speaker 7: What's the word I'm looking for as well?

477
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Speaker 1: Important is a good one, Bubba.

478
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Speaker 7: I get the most gratitude from working with him as

479
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Speaker 7: far as a client goes. I've worked with double amputees,

480
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Speaker 7: all different types of individuals, and so he teaches me

481
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Speaker 7: how to make muscles fire, how to try to wake

482
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Speaker 7: up the nerves, how to utilize balance when you have

483
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Speaker 7: scoliosis at a.

484
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Speaker 4: Forty degree curve.

485
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Speaker 7: So really he teaches me how to become better at

486
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Speaker 7: what I do just by finding I mean, he's he's

487
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Speaker 7: a clean slate, he's little, he's muscles move real, these

488
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 7: bones are real flexible, and so I can do a

489
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Speaker 7: lot more with him than I could an adult. But yeah,

490
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Speaker 7: he just teaches me how to so he gets my

491
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Speaker 7: best and my words at the same time because it's

492
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Speaker 7: new to me something and your.

493
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Speaker 1: Son, so that it's always harder working with dad, right

494
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Speaker 1: and toddlement Dad.

495
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Speaker 2: You don't why because Dad wants you to push harder

496
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Speaker 2: because you're his son. It's not just a client, it's

497
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Speaker 2: it's a part of you.

498
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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what the tell me what that regimen looks like.

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Speaker 2: Three days a week, your workout is we do, tell

501
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Speaker 2: me what that looks.

502
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Speaker 4: Like is depending on what we need to work on.

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Speaker 7: We do electro stimulation therapy and that's to essentially wake

504
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Speaker 7: up the nerves while we're working. Because with spina bifida,

505
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Speaker 7: this other therapist that I work with that specializes in

506
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Speaker 7: the electro stimulation, she says, there's nothing wrong with the muscles.

507
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Speaker 7: Spina biff is a nerve issue. So with the electro stem,

508
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Speaker 7: we're able to activate the nerves. And so we may

509
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 7: work on core stability, and that's why we might do

510
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 7: our planks, we might do our pushups. He has what's

511
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Speaker 7: called an hk AFO brace and that's hit knee, ankle,

512
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 7: and foot, okay, and so when we put that on,

513
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Speaker 7: that's when you see him standing up in his walker

514
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 7: and so that straightens them up. But also it's weight bearing.

515
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 7: So for these guys, the more weight bearing, that's how

516
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 7: they're able to build muscle. They have to be weight

517
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Speaker 7: bearing through their feet and so in that that's when

518
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 7: we work on our steps.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you running, tell me what that's like. That

520
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Speaker 1: did that take a long time to.

521
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Speaker 3: Like week two?

522
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Speaker 4: It didn't take him too long.

523
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Speaker 3: Really, it didn't take me too long to start walking? Wow,

524
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Speaker 3: take me a long time?

525
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Speaker 1: Does it? It would normally take longer?

526
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Speaker 4: Right it does?

527
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Speaker 1: I mean this is this is also determination in a mindset.

528
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Speaker 7: Right and he I mean he's one to one in

529
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Speaker 7: the sense of like he said, he has goals. His

530
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Speaker 7: goals for two years straight have been to walk, to run,

531
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Speaker 7: and to make a jump shot standing up. And so

532
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Speaker 7: he completed that goal in twenty twenty four. He set

533
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Speaker 7: it again for twenty twenty five, but this time I

534
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Speaker 7: did I.

535
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Speaker 1: Need it again, and you threw your jump shot.

536
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Speaker 4: And we're taking away devices each time.

537
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Speaker 7: So it's finding ways for him to balance with no standard,

538
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Speaker 7: no crutches, and to truly be able to take a

539
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 7: jump shot. Or this year we've stood with no assistance

540
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Speaker 7: on the hands.

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Speaker 2: But but tell me, how did you become so obsessed

542
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Speaker 2: with basketball? Where did this come from?

543
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Speaker 3: Like I I started watching it, I was like, I

544
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Speaker 3: think I could do that, and I just started shooting

545
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Speaker 3: and I was like, whoa, I know I can make that.

546
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Speaker 2: My God, But you know all the players now, I

547
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: mean now you really know the players.

548
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Speaker 3: I know, like all the players in the NBA right now.

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're unbelievable.

550
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Speaker 2: And the Mavericks have basically adopted you. I mean, you're

551
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Speaker 2: like an honorary Maverick.

552
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: I'm like the mascot, I'm like the honorary second mask.

553
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're at every game, You're always there. I've seen

554
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: so many videos of you. How did you and Bubba

555
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: get on the radar of the Mavericks?

556
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Speaker 1: How did that happen?

557
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: Just from us posting?

558
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 7: And then the wife of the strength conditioning coach at

559
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 7: the time reached out to me, and we're friends now.

560
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Speaker 4: We're family friends now.

561
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 7: But at the time she was like, I want to

562
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Speaker 7: get y'all to the practice facility and then you go

563
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Speaker 7: to the game that night. And so we went to

564
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Speaker 7: the mass practice facility, he got to meet all the guys,

565
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Speaker 7: go in their weight room, their training room, and then

566
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Speaker 7: that night we went to.

567
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Speaker 4: The game and.

568
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Speaker 3: Phinny Smith was in the locker room. Oh, well, what

569
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Speaker 3: are you doing here?

570
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Speaker 2: I hope they lose to the Pelicans, just once, but

571
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to happen.

572
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

573
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Speaker 1: I know, well, you're being very diplomatic.

574
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: Denzil traded Anthony Davis.

575
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Speaker 1: I don't know that's right. He's kind of he's on

576
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Speaker 1: both teams. But now he's on your team. Yeah, he

577
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: left the Pelicans. Oh well why did he leave? I

578
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. These trades are crazy. Like Luca,

579
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: he was traded. That had to upset you.

580
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Speaker 3: You knew him, and and all of those players I.

581
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Speaker 4: Knew actually got a ball signed by all of them. Wow.

582
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Speaker 4: And then probably midway through the season they all got.

583
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Speaker 1: Trade, all got traded. Isn't that miserable? You're just you

584
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Speaker 1: just got friendly with them and they leave. And tell

585
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Speaker 1: me about the Dallas Junior Wheelchair My.

586
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Speaker 3: Prep team isn't My premp team is first in the nation.

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Speaker 7: He's on the future. So he started playing when he

588
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Speaker 7: was four years old.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know, tell us about tell us what it is.

590
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Speaker 4: People might not yet.

591
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 7: So the Dallas Junior Wheelchair team Mavericks is a wheelchair

592
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Speaker 7: basketball team in Dallas. You have them in Dallas, you

593
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 7: have them in Austin, in Atlanta, Houston.

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Speaker 4: So you got multiple teams.

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Speaker 7: And so the idea is to because they don't have

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Speaker 7: it in any schools, they don't have a pair of

597
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 7: sports in any schools. So these organizations start these programs

598
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Speaker 7: like this so they can play year round.

599
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Speaker 4: But Jory.

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Speaker 7: I mean for the most part, maybe a couple months off,

601
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 7: but it's just a phenomenal culture there.

602
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Speaker 1: My friend know is supers, but you're getting faster. I

603
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: see the videos.

604
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Speaker 2: Tell me how did you come to post? When did

605
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Speaker 2: you decide I'm going to post our journey because this

606
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: is invasive. I mean, it's your family, it's Cash's development.

607
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: When did you decide why to post that journey.

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Speaker 7: I've been doing social media for years prior to him

609
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Speaker 7: and us posting together, just with my fitness and different

610
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Speaker 7: things like that, and.

611
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Speaker 4: I just realized that.

612
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 7: There's the awareness shortage of spina biffit of disabilities which.

613
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Speaker 4: Causes people to be in wheelchairs.

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Speaker 7: And for me to have the knowledge, I figured why not,

615
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 7: because I mean, I can help so many people by

616
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 7: doing the things with him and they can emulate it.

617
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Speaker 7: And I've had so many messages of pts and occupational

618
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Speaker 7: therapists say hey, I have this patient of mine whose

619
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Speaker 7: dad saw your videos, and so now the dad is

620
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Speaker 7: more intentional with the child.

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Speaker 1: And reaching out to you. I'm sure for advice.

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Speaker 4: No, he just watches Wow.

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Speaker 7: And then actually a lady that I had trained in

624
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Speaker 7: physical training, she became a physical therapist, and so she

625
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 7: was his physical therapist, but the dad was doing stuff

626
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Speaker 7: with the son that he's seen me do from our videos.

627
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Speaker 2: What would be your advice to fathers who find themselves

628
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Speaker 2: facing any disability Because for a dad, for a mom too,

629
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Speaker 2: but for a dad, it's scary because it's uncharted water.

630
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Speaker 1: You don't know what you're doing.

631
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Speaker 7: I mean, the biggest thing is the world is getting

632
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 7: darker every day, and so if you coddle them, if

633
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 7: you try to hide them from the world and keep

634
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 7: them restricted to a little bubble, one day, you're not

635
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Speaker 7: going to be there.

636
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Speaker 4: And when they get out there, they're going to be lost.

637
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Speaker 4: They're going to be scared air that.

638
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 7: I mean, there's going to be so many mental things

639
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 7: that they're not going to be able to manage because

640
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 7: you never put them out there. You never gave them

641
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 7: the courage and confidence to know, I'm different. But that's it.

642
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 7: I'm not less than, I'm not more than. I'm just different.

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Speaker 4: And that's the biggest thing we preach.

644
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 7: And we went to Europe and a word that we

645
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Speaker 7: discovered in Europe was diversibility. They don't use disability, divers ability,

646
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 7: just a diversibility.

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Speaker 1: How was Europe. Where'd you go?

648
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Speaker 4: Why do we go there?

649
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Speaker 3: We went to the Paralympics, and we if we went

650
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Speaker 3: there earlier, we would have been able to see that

651
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: the men's basketball when them, we saw the wheelchair basketball

652
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Speaker 3: win the gold medal.

653
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 4: We went to the golden medal wheelchair basketball.

654
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Speaker 3: Game that is in the truck and field.

655
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Speaker 2: And what did you think when you saw that other

656
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Speaker 2: people in wheelchairs doing this?

657
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Speaker 1: Incredible?

658
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Speaker 3: I got some three or four of the players and

659
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Speaker 3: I was like, and I was like, maybe I can

660
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Speaker 3: make it there one day.

661
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Speaker 4: Hmmm.

662
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Speaker 1: I love that. Tell me about you hanging out with

663
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Speaker 1: Dirk Lewinsky.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I guess we're just going to take pictures.

665
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: And then she was like she took me to this

666
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Speaker 3: special room. I was like, is there gaming in there?

667
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Speaker 3: And she's like yes, and there's also another surprise in there.

668
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Speaker 3: What and Dirk was in there?

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, and there was.

670
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Speaker 3: A PS five in there.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, whoa, Well, you must

672
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Speaker 1: have thought you went to heaven.

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Speaker 2: And tell me a little bit about you shared recently

674
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Speaker 2: on social media Bubba running. I know you said he

675
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Speaker 2: moved very cool, that this happened quickly and more quickly

676
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Speaker 2: than other clients. But I'm sure that happened because of

677
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Speaker 2: this sustained therapy he's had for me ad age. Should

678
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Speaker 2: that become the protocol for other people suffering for spintabi

679
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Speaker 2: of that?

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Speaker 1: And are they doing this yet this kind of training?

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Speaker 4: I believe so.

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Speaker 7: I think it's the lack of consistency. And the hardest

683
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Speaker 7: thing for a parent with the child with disabilities is

684
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Speaker 7: the consistency.

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Speaker 4: Because it's hard.

686
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Speaker 7: These braces they can take with singular person, they can

687
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Speaker 7: take you five to seven minutes to get them on

688
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Speaker 7: just to get them on, to get ready, and then

689
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Speaker 7: an hour to do the therapy, sometimes a little bit longer,

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Speaker 7: and then you got to take them off. And so

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Speaker 7: a lot of it is the lack of consistency.

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Do you like the

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Speaker 1: therapy sessions or are they hard?

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Speaker 3: Like them?

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Speaker 1: You do? Want?

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Speaker 3: I like them because Pabam makes them fun. He makes

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Speaker 3: them fun and any challenging me a lot.

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Speaker 1: Huh. Well, that's why you're that's why look at that.

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Speaker 2: That's why you're running like a crazy man now and

701
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: making us all run out of breath watching you can

702
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Speaker 2: go to the Mavericks game and travel and you're here

703
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: and you're there and you're posting you're more engaged. Then

704
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: there's a lot of able body kids I know that

705
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Speaker 2: are far less engaged in their lives than you are.

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Speaker 1: Is that part of the lesson? Keep everybody engaged?

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Speaker 7: It is, And just to explain, you don't have to

708
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Speaker 7: not live your life regardless of your circumstance.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 7: The poor pital for me is something that I do

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Speaker 7: not allow for him because just as you said, there's

712
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Speaker 7: able body kids.

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Speaker 4: That don't get to live his life.

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Speaker 7: And so for us to take a sense of arrogance

715
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Speaker 7: or lack of gratitude because he uses this, I mean,

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Speaker 7: that wouldn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 2: What do you want people to know about adversity and

718
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Speaker 2: when you face it and deal with it.

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Speaker 4: The biggest thing about adversity is the battle in your mind.

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Speaker 4: We're always going to have it. It's never going to

721
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Speaker 4: go away. But it's how you approach it.

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Speaker 7: Are you going to approach it knowing that there's something

723
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Speaker 7: better on the other side true? Or are you're going

724
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Speaker 7: to allow it to take you where it wants to

725
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Speaker 7: take you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I love that you've not only made the

728
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Speaker 2: best of it. You together are creating lives that most

729
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Speaker 2: people don't get to live.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I love most.

731
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Speaker 2: Of them, and I do want you to talk about this,

732
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Speaker 2: both of you, the importance of a father to a son,

733
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Speaker 2: because we often degrade fathers. I had a parenting expert,

734
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Speaker 2: doctor Meekern, recently, and she talked about how men are

735
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Speaker 2: valued in the culture. They make fun of them on TV.

736
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Speaker 2: They're always a goofy dad. Look at a goofball over there.

737
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Speaker 2: Your dad is everything but goofy. He is not goofy.

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Speaker 2: And I love the care, the love, and that you're

739
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Speaker 2: bringing him into your life and allowing him to bring

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Speaker 2: you into his. And how has that changed you as

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Speaker 2: a man, as a father.

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Speaker 7: It's a weight on my shoulders that I'm willing to

743
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Speaker 7: accept because I know one day he's going to be

744
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Speaker 7: a man and I want to see how he.

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Speaker 4: Interacts with his kids.

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Speaker 7: But essentially, it's something that you lack which prevents your

747
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Speaker 7: body from breaking something down, and that's something he could

748
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Speaker 7: be a carrier of that, so he could have a

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Speaker 7: child with spine of ifida. And I want him to

750
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Speaker 7: know my life wasn't yielded because of this. This disease

751
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Speaker 7: is diagnosis, and so I want him to be able

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Speaker 7: to take his child through the same journey that I've

753
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Speaker 7: taken him through.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what the feedback has been like on your

755
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Speaker 2: social media feeds with like a lot of followers, millions,

756
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: Like one point over to you're like two million plus followers.

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00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: What are they saying to you? Why do you think

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Speaker 2: they follow you?

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00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 3: Whoas hand like, good job? I want to I wanted

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Speaker 3: to do that.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think that you and your son would

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Speaker 2: be inspirations to literally millions of people?

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Speaker 4: He couldn't have told me that and had me believe it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, at the end of.

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Speaker 7: It, that's where I say, I see God's glue. He

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Speaker 7: knew something that truly just to be. He's six years old.

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Speaker 7: He has so much more life to live, and so

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Speaker 7: I can imagine what he's going to be able to do.

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Speaker 7: But in the same token, we can always start now,

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Speaker 7: which is why we started our foundation to help kids

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Speaker 7: have the independence that he has. I didn't realize this,

772
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Speaker 7: but there's kids out there who are sixteen years old

773
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Speaker 7: and never had a wheelchair before. And so when that

774
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Speaker 7: is your source of independence and you've never experienced it,

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Speaker 7: you need a sixteen year old.

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Speaker 4: That's not fair.

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Speaker 2: No, it's limiting, it's limiting, and every life should be

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Speaker 2: allowed to thrive and flourish.

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Speaker 1: And what we all have disabilities? We all do.

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Speaker 2: I can't see without contacts in my eyes. Other people

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00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: can't drive straight, some have problems with balance. We all

782
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: have disabilities, but we have to deal with them right

783
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Speaker 2: and move forward, keep moving forward and living. And that's

784
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Speaker 2: what I love. It's why I wanted to have you

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Speaker 2: all on the show. To me, you're a huge inspiration

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Speaker 2: and I think you are an inspiration to so many people.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the world of faith in all this, how

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Speaker 1: faith is just and.

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Speaker 4: Bubba so funny enough.

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Speaker 7: Taking him back before Bubba, my wife and I we

791
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Speaker 7: weren't on good terms at the time, and I felt

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Speaker 7: like God had came to me and said, I've given

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Speaker 7: you this life for you to be fruitful. And so

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Speaker 7: I went and told her, I mean, I feel like

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Speaker 7: God is calling us to have another child. And so

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Speaker 7: once we decided that that's what we're going to do.

797
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Speaker 7: And then twenty weeks later, you find out that you're

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Speaker 7: going to have a child. But with spina bifida, you

799
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Speaker 7: start to wonder the why, like you said me.

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Speaker 3: Twenty weeks later after he said that, No, that's.

801
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Speaker 4: When I found out. But then you see him six

802
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Speaker 4: years later and you're like, okay, God, I.

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Speaker 1: See this is the plan.

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Speaker 4: This is the plan, and that's been my entire life.

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Speaker 3: And he got a tattoo.

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Speaker 1: And what does the tattoo say?

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 3: You're a tattoo of them? Noah, that's mommy, that's the scene.

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Speaker 4: That's me.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was Is he the lion king somewhere?

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Speaker 1: I guess youre the walking Oh? Up top of is

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Speaker 1: Muphosse's up top high? Scar and Scar?

813
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: Because sometimes you know, we got good and bad.

814
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Speaker 2: Well, we got to try to get rid of Star,

815
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Speaker 2: get rid of Scar. What would tell me before we go?

816
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 2: What would you tell other kids who are facing similar difficulties.

817
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: Some can't see, some are having trouble walking. I knew

818
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Speaker 2: a BOYO had muscular dystrophy, and he lived the greatest life.

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Speaker 2: He wrote poetry, He reached millions and millions of people,

820
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: and like you, he was in a wheelchair for a

821
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Speaker 2: lot of his life, but it was more rich and

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Speaker 2: he was more influential than any other kid.

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Speaker 3: I think I know who you're trying to subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you you.

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Speaker 4: He was like you.

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Speaker 2: He was a lot like you and had a very

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Speaker 2: active mind. What would you tell kids who are suffering

828
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Speaker 2: and doubting whether they can be fully engaged because of

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Speaker 2: a disability.

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Speaker 3: Don't let it hold you back. Just try to do

831
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Speaker 3: whatever you want. Just don't let it hold you back.

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Speaker 2: I love that, and it's it's really good. You have

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Speaker 2: a mom and dad who love you too.

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Speaker 1: That helps.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I think it's critical, it's critical. Thank you

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Speaker 2: both for being with me for the time. This has

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Speaker 2: been a joy, pleasure. God bless you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Remember me at those Mavericks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the hole when Chase Harris said, adversity is

840
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Speaker 2: the battle in your mind.

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Speaker 1: That's so resonated with me.

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Speaker 2: It's not the adversity you face, but how you think

843
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: about it, how you're processing, how you pray about it.

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Speaker 1: In the case of the.

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Speaker 2: Harrises, and really, mister Jacouzi and Johnny mathis for that matter,

846
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: the love of a dad, the devotion to that child,

847
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: changes everything.

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Speaker 1: You can see the determination and.

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Speaker 2: The drive of these fathers in their kids, and we're

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Speaker 2: enriched by it all. And what an amazing boy Baba

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Speaker 2: harris Is. I love being with he and his yad,

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00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: great great people. I hope this episode touched you as

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Speaker 2: much as it touched me, and that you'll come back

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Speaker 2: to Royo Grande soon. Why live a dry, narrow, constricted

855
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: life when if you fill it with good things, it

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00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: can flow into a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm raiming Arroyo.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe like this episode. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: diving in.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time. Fine out.

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