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Speaker 3: bye week is now in the rearview mirror. The Cowboys
Speaker 3: get ready to face the Los Angeles Rams in Week
Speaker 3: eight of the NFL season. Well rested, right, guys, right,
Speaker 3: because this is, uh, this is a bye week. Right,
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be like chilling, supposed supposed to be
Speaker 3: supposed to be relaxing, not traveling or getting super I
Speaker 3: don't want to do that, but anything like that. It's
Speaker 3: a young team, though, it is a young team. As
Speaker 3: long as they stay out of the news. As Nate say,
Speaker 3: that's the number one thing Nate Newton said. I said,
Speaker 3: what's the key to a successful bye week? He said,
Speaker 3: stay out of the news. That's actual. That's so far,
Speaker 3: that's the case. So that's good for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: We're back here with a shuffled podcast crew on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 3: We have Brian brought us from Cowboys Break and one
Speaker 3: oh five three the Fan. We've got Kurt Daniels from
Speaker 3: Hanging with the Boys and the DC Star magazine. And
Speaker 3: then we've also got Buried, Yes, Sir, former Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 3: and he's heard on the Players Lounge special edition pregame
Speaker 3: and postgame coverage for the Dallas Cowboys. Gentlemen, how we doing, Brian,
Speaker 3: You're rocking your Rangers?
Speaker 4: Shit?
Speaker 6: Yeah, ready to go?
Speaker 2: Uh was at the game Friday, and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: remember sporting events in Dallas and growing up in Dallas
Speaker 2: of just all time gut wrenchers. I was there for
Speaker 2: the White Clark catch in the NFC Championship game way
Speaker 2: back in the day. Tony Romo's drop snap in Seattle
Speaker 2: in a playoff game was a gut wrencher. Does Bryant's
Speaker 2: standing right there?
Speaker 6: Catch? No catch?
Speaker 2: That was a gut wrenching play right there for a
Speaker 2: really good football And then when I'll two v hit
Speaker 2: that I was learning the press box, and we all
Speaker 2: know because we've been in the press box. Our life
Speaker 2: is in the press box, and you can't cheer. And
Speaker 2: literally it was as quiet. I mean, you could see
Speaker 2: the Astro riders all just kind of the and the
Speaker 2: Ranger riders were all just like not again.
Speaker 6: So it's been a roller coaster ride.
Speaker 2: But the great thing about this the Cowboys and the
Speaker 2: Stars and the MAVs Rangers, they all support each other.
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott was at the game dressed up, he had
Speaker 2: his jersey on ready to go, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of that crossover between the two. But man,
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of those the all time
Speaker 2: gut wrenching DFW sports moments, and a few of them
Speaker 2: came up Cowboys, which was which is never a good thing.
Speaker 3: I think it always it starts with the Cowboys, at
Speaker 3: least in my mind and being in DFW, But man,
Speaker 3: the Rangers have had some gut wrenchers too.
Speaker 2: That was a great one yesterday. It was a great
Speaker 2: win to get him in game seven to come back.
Speaker 2: But man, you think about if you find out if
Speaker 2: you find a way to win that game Friday and
Speaker 2: then EVOLDI pitching today or last nast night, last night,
Speaker 2: you have a chance to close those guys out. And
Speaker 2: that's that's the that's the beauty of sports right there.
Speaker 3: Though he got in game seven to nine, Max Schures
Speaker 3: are on the hill and yeah, man, that's gonna be
Speaker 3: a fun one.
Speaker 7: Two strikes twice, So that's yeah, back in eleven, that
Speaker 7: was a good pun That hurts.
Speaker 4: And I'm not a baseball guy by any stretch of
Speaker 4: the imagination, like I'm of baseball game.
Speaker 3: But so they are like who is out to Bay.
Speaker 4: As far as like a football reference like put put
Speaker 4: that in like for me, as far as like it's
Speaker 4: out because.
Speaker 3: I'll do that.
Speaker 6: Pick pick somebody that you absolutely despise.
Speaker 2: From the Philadelphia Eagles, I'll tell you what if the
Speaker 2: Rangers are fortunate, And again I get buddies with the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: And the great thing about working with the Cowboys is
Speaker 2: that there's guys in baseball that are huge Cowboy fans.
Speaker 2: So the way I trade my information with them about
Speaker 2: what's going on with the team, and I learned.
Speaker 6: About major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just if somehow the Phillies get through the world,
Speaker 2: that is going to be wild if it's the Rangers
Speaker 2: and the Phillies, because those are two cities that really
Speaker 2: just don't get along very well.
Speaker 3: I want to see if it lines up. But the
Speaker 3: Cowboys play the Eagles. What week they played the Eagles
Speaker 3: after after the Rams game? November fifth? Week nine? So
Speaker 3: during the World Series, right, the Eagles and the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: We had that one time here we had the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: The Cardinals played across the street when they played the Rams.
Speaker 2: I believe it was the game that DeMarco Murray had
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty something yards. Yeah, he had some
Speaker 2: incredible rushing day for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: And so congratulations Tony Pollard, You're gonna have a hell
Speaker 3: of a game in week nine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take it, though.
Speaker 3: It would be interesting. Good luck to the Rangers tonight.
Speaker 3: Of course, You've got our support and man, hopefully they
Speaker 3: can they can pull that out. Yeah, that's an interesting
Speaker 3: comp though. I mean where Jose Altuve little undersized for
Speaker 3: his position, but many hits with power. He does a
Speaker 3: lot of things really well. My first thought was was
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 6: I mean, just a.
Speaker 3: Complete game changer, clutch player, somebody who's just an unbelievable
Speaker 3: athlete and a little bit undersized, a little under the
Speaker 3: radar until he hit that point in the NFL. That
Speaker 3: was kind of my comp But I want to try
Speaker 3: and ask that same question.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking on hate sports hate, oh sports hate, Yeah, because.
Speaker 6: TV to me, no, he's from him.
Speaker 3: Oh No, he's a.
Speaker 2: Huge out huge, you know. But he has a history
Speaker 2: of things that aren't above board, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: whether you believe it or not, but he's got kind
Speaker 2: of that history. A lot of the Astros do, and
Speaker 2: you know New England Patriots, same way with Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that you kind of Okay,
Speaker 2: well you can't do that, but you're trying to do this.
Speaker 2: And I just think because l TV has been he
Speaker 2: has killed the Rangers in the series, him and Alvarez
Speaker 2: both have just killed. But again, it's the football show,
Speaker 2: so we'll do football.
Speaker 3: We got one.
Speaker 2: I got five hours, four and a half hours of radio.
Speaker 3: The h G from Jersey says out two days equivalent
Speaker 3: for him is Aaron Rodgers always gets.
Speaker 6: Here you go. That is that is that from Jerseys.
Speaker 4: I've been a part of those Aaron Rodgers Daggers man, that.
Speaker 6: One up, buddy, that's the right one.
Speaker 3: On uh not Friday. On Wednesday, we had a chance
Speaker 3: to really talk about the offense, state of the offense,
Speaker 3: what this team looked like going into the bye week,
Speaker 3: and some of the ups since some of the downs.
Speaker 3: I want to switch the conversation to the defensive side
Speaker 3: of the football today. Starting with the confidence meter, we
Speaker 3: talked about the overall confidence. Then we talked about the
Speaker 3: offensive unit. Barry, I'll start with you, our resident defender. Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: where does your confidence level rank right now in the
Speaker 3: Cowboys defense? In the fact that can they still be elite?
Speaker 4: It's waver just a little bit. If we're going all
Speaker 4: the way back to training camp, you know, and all
Speaker 4: the reports I've read out there, and those guys were
Speaker 4: just destroying this offense, I'm in my head thinking there's
Speaker 4: got to be a chance to be an historic defense.
Speaker 4: I mean, you got the pass rush, you got the secondary,
Speaker 4: the second level all down pat. If we can just
Speaker 4: basically muddy up that run that we've had, you know,
Speaker 4: these past couple years, this team is going to be there.
Speaker 4: This defense is gonna be historic. You know. Then the
Speaker 4: first two weeks come, you go against New York Giants,
Speaker 4: and the Aaron Rodgers list Jets, and we didn't know
Speaker 4: how bad you know, those teams were going to be
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season. So you're off to
Speaker 4: a historic pace, and I'm like, man, this defense is legit.
Speaker 4: This is it because New York Giants, they were a
Speaker 4: playoff team last year and they were able to destroy them.
Speaker 4: And even though we didn't go against you know, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 4: I felt like, man, this defense has it. This team,
Speaker 4: this team has got the juice. This defense can really roll.
Speaker 4: And then a couple of injuries happened right there, and
Speaker 4: I didn't think that Digs injury was going to be
Speaker 4: as huge as it has been, because if you look
Speaker 4: at it, man, this secondary back there, if any quarterback
Speaker 4: has just a sliver of time, just a little bit
Speaker 4: above average of time back there, they're able to find
Speaker 4: open receivers out there. And if we go back to
Speaker 4: last week with the Chargers Herbert, if he was able
Speaker 4: to make a couple of those throws, I mean we
Speaker 4: may be having a different conversation right there. So to me,
Speaker 4: I think the injuries have played a big part in it.
Speaker 4: When you talk about the defense as a whole, that
Speaker 4: secondary they're opportunistic, but you can still get them a
Speaker 4: little bit. And if that pass rush is not elite
Speaker 4: every single down, they have a chance to give up
Speaker 4: some big plays out there. So to me, you know,
Speaker 4: my confidence waivered just a little bit. Defensively, I still
Speaker 4: think they're doing big things out there. They're still doing
Speaker 4: good things as far as as a whole. You know,
Speaker 4: the defensive line winning their one on ones, because you
Speaker 4: know Parsons is going to get all the attention and
Speaker 4: he's gonna get double team, triple team. And I think
Speaker 4: guys like Odiggie Zoo. I think guys like de Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 4: even though he's not having these sack numbers, I think
Speaker 4: he's still unbelievable in the run. I think he's still
Speaker 4: a dominant run defender. So those guys win in their
Speaker 4: one on ones. That's a bright spot. But what also
Speaker 4: kind of worries me a little bit is that injury
Speaker 4: with Van Deeresh in the second level. And even though
Speaker 4: Marquis Bell had a great game against the Chargers, that
Speaker 4: Chargers offense is more of a finesse offense, and when
Speaker 4: you're going against guys like the Philadelphia Eagles who can
Speaker 4: pound it down your throat. If you go against the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers once again, even Detroit. You know Detroit
Speaker 4: got you know, Molly wopped this past Sunday. But they're
Speaker 4: a physical offense and Montgomery's gonna come back healthy. So
Speaker 4: when you go on against teams like that, I still
Speaker 4: kind of want Vanderesh in that lineup and he'll be
Speaker 4: back eventually. But Marquis Bell, even though he had that
Speaker 4: great game, it still kind of worries me him on
Speaker 4: that second level because I feel like if you can
Speaker 4: get to him up there by blocker getting to the
Speaker 4: second level, they can easily kind of displace him. He's
Speaker 4: using to speak good, he's using his quickness good. But
Speaker 4: I don't know if if an offense sticks with the
Speaker 4: ground game each and every each and every down, I
Speaker 4: think you can wear that defense down. But overall, I
Speaker 4: started out as a nine eight, I'm going down to
Speaker 4: about a seven six and a half right now, So
Speaker 4: it's wave it a little bit, but still above Average's
Speaker 4: still above AVIAG. I still don't think they could believe
Speaker 4: be above average, but just not historically great defense.
Speaker 6: What's your next question?
Speaker 2: Because he hit it all yeah, all the way down. No, No, no,
Speaker 2: he covered it all and rightfully. So I think that Barry,
Speaker 2: you know, has a really good understanding about what it
Speaker 2: takes to play really good defense in this league. And
Speaker 2: I think that we were all the injuries have now
Speaker 2: weakened this defense.
Speaker 6: You know, you're gonna miss.
Speaker 2: Vander esh We'll see how the linebacker corps plays from that.
Speaker 2: There was some questions about them going in. Losing Digs
Speaker 2: really kills you because playing Bland in the slot and
Speaker 2: having Digs on the outside Gilmour on the other side,
Speaker 2: I think that you know, you have a pretty good
Speaker 2: combination there.
Speaker 6: The pass rush is what it can be.
Speaker 2: Uh, But yeah, I just think the injuries have really
Speaker 2: hurt this defense to the point where it's a good defense.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a great defense, but you've got
Speaker 2: to find a way to make teams very one dimensional
Speaker 2: because the strength of it is going to be your
Speaker 2: pass rush, and you got to get guys home because
Speaker 2: if you don't get guys home like you saw the
Speaker 2: other night, you know, there were some plays to be
Speaker 2: made against his Cowboys secondary. And I think there's the
Speaker 2: thing with Gilmore. I think that we're seeing some slippage
Speaker 2: there and I'm only saying slippage in a way of
Speaker 2: the skill of his ability to run. And I do
Speaker 2: worry about teams watching your tape and saying, carry him inside.
Speaker 6: Let's see if he can chase, Let's see if he.
Speaker 2: Can run down guys. And you know that's gonna be
Speaker 2: a problem. Bland's done a nice job, Jordan at the nickel.
Speaker 2: You know there's some there's some going to be some
Speaker 2: issues there. He's he's very much a kind of a
Speaker 2: sixty forty player, you know, sixty good, forty bad, And
Speaker 2: you know you got to find a way to to
Speaker 2: kind of maybe, Matt, I think you've got to mask
Speaker 2: a couple of things in the secondary now. The safety
Speaker 2: play hasn't been great here and that, and I think
Speaker 2: that's really those are the things that keep you from
Speaker 2: being elite.
Speaker 7: How do you because they're undersized a linebacker you both
Speaker 7: talked about the linebacker, Vander espn out, how do you
Speaker 7: make up for that maskt as you said earlier, because
Speaker 7: DeMont Clark seems like you're only true physically linebacker and
Speaker 7: you've got a bunch of small guys like you can
Speaker 7: get to that second level.
Speaker 4: And you're in trouble.
Speaker 3: Well, how do you cover that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to see what they do with the
Speaker 2: new additions with you know, with Evans, with Shawn Evans,
Speaker 2: and and and and how.
Speaker 6: Does he fit?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, Michael Jones, Michel Jones, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: these are a couple of practice squad guys. Do they
Speaker 2: make a move at the trade deadline that's coming up
Speaker 2: October thirty first?
Speaker 6: And you know, so everybody's like, well, who would you
Speaker 6: go get? Who would you know? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm talking to my guys around the league,
Speaker 2: and you know, they're giving me names and stuff, but
Speaker 2: like they're guys should go poach off a practice squad.
Speaker 2: There's nobody out there on the street. Would you trade
Speaker 2: for somebody? Nobody's really talking about any guys you would
Speaker 2: trade for. Nobody's putting anybody out there right now.
Speaker 6: We'll see.
Speaker 2: They might just address this through what they've done on
Speaker 2: the practice squad, you know, to try and help. Because
Speaker 2: Barry makes another great point is, you know, if you
Speaker 2: put those safeties down in the box, Curse and Bell
Speaker 2: and those guys, even Wilson, if you get blockers up
Speaker 2: on them, Burry will tell you again, if you can't.
Speaker 2: You're fighting three hundred and ten pound guys and you're
Speaker 2: trying to find the ball and you're you're moving, and
Speaker 2: if you just read it a tick late, you're there
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 6: If you know, that's the great thing about the the.
Speaker 2: Layton vander Ushers and the Sean Lee's and any great linebacker,
Speaker 2: their ability to know formation balls going that way gone.
Speaker 2: You know, they'd stay a step ahead. And you know,
Speaker 2: you got, like I say, you've got Demoon Clark who's
Speaker 2: trying to kind of find his way, and if he's
Speaker 2: a tick late, they're up on him, or Bell, they're
Speaker 2: up on him. Or you know, Bell made a great
Speaker 2: play the night just reading it and going, you know,
Speaker 2: attacking the hole.
Speaker 6: But you're gonna need a lot more of that for
Speaker 6: this defense.
Speaker 4: As a safety, if you're in that box, your first
Speaker 4: instinct when you see a three hundred pound guy coming
Speaker 4: at you, let me avoid him. And it's tough when
Speaker 4: you're in that trenches like that. If you avoid a
Speaker 4: gat away, you're just opening up another home. It's tough
Speaker 4: when you got undersized guys like that man.
Speaker 3: So we got a chance to talk to Scott McCurley,
Speaker 3: the Linebackers coach right before everybody kind of went on
Speaker 3: the break last week, and one of the things was
Speaker 3: that was asked was how do you feel like Bell
Speaker 3: has progressed? Because it is he was a safety. He
Speaker 3: was a safety that was brought in thought hey, maybe
Speaker 3: we could throw him in linebacker, and he showed some
Speaker 3: good things and I think his most recent game against
Speaker 3: the Chargers, when you go back and you look at
Speaker 3: the film, it was his best game. But it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean it was a perfect game. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff that where he was out of position. There
Speaker 3: was one where he was beat on coverage, got completely
Speaker 3: turned around and almost looked lost. But then there were
Speaker 3: other times where he was shooting a gap, he was
Speaker 3: reading the formation and which which way it was going,
Speaker 3: and he was able to get back behind the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. How tough of a transition is is that, though,
Speaker 3: from safety to really a linebacker role, because we hear
Speaker 3: about this safety linebacker hybrid, and there's a hybrid position,
Speaker 3: but I mean there's two distinct roles that Bell is
Speaker 3: having to kind of come in and Phil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's extremely tough when you're at a safety, even
Speaker 4: if you're not a box safety like that when you're
Speaker 4: coming down. There's so much you gotta read in that box,
Speaker 4: especially going against a team like the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: I'll show you I candy left and right. When you're
Speaker 4: in that box, you're not only you know, looking at
Speaker 4: the formation, but you're reading. Let me see if this
Speaker 4: offensive guard pools, my gap responsibility goes from let's just
Speaker 4: say he pulled from the A gap on the right side,
Speaker 4: so now you got to do the A gap on
Speaker 4: the left side. You got to follow these things and
Speaker 4: track these things. And it's extremely hard to do just
Speaker 4: on a whim like that. And I understand he's had
Speaker 4: training camp, he's had a couple weeks to get acclimated
Speaker 4: with it, but we can't expect this guy to be,
Speaker 4: you know, a Sean Lee out there where he's just
Speaker 4: oh man bang, it's thinkful like that. He's gonna have
Speaker 4: to grow and especially being undersized, you're gonna have to
Speaker 4: make those decisions even quicker because you got to beat
Speaker 4: these offensive linemen too. The next hole to be able
Speaker 4: to beat these guys, and it's just tough at that
Speaker 4: second level because he's also not only is he gonna
Speaker 4: have to you know, shark downhill and getting those gaps.
Speaker 4: But there's some instances where you gotta set the edge,
Speaker 4: Like there's a point guard coming around and he has
Speaker 4: to match that guard and pull two hundred and ten
Speaker 4: going against three ten. I mean, you're gonna get displaced
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be hard to move around that guy
Speaker 4: when you got to set the edge, Like, the edge
Speaker 4: has to be set. So there's some things that he's
Speaker 4: that he's gonna be limited with just because of the
Speaker 4: size in that second level. And that's the thing that
Speaker 4: dan Quinn's gonna have to, Uh, he's gonna have to
Speaker 4: mad scientists and cook something up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing about it is when you get a team
Speaker 2: like say the forty nine ers, who don't they don't
Speaker 2: combo block.
Speaker 6: They just they go straight up. They just they don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're like they trust their guys to win
Speaker 2: one on one.
Speaker 6: Like a lot of teams.
Speaker 2: You'll see though combo they'll get hip to hip and
Speaker 2: they'll push that down lineman to the linebacker and make
Speaker 2: the linebacker have to run the hump, you know, to
Speaker 2: get to the play.
Speaker 6: And then you're running the hump.
Speaker 2: Well, it's already four down, four yards down field when
Speaker 2: contact is being made. So to me, it's a lot
Speaker 2: on that defensive line too to try and find a
Speaker 2: way to hold up these guys, because if these tackles
Speaker 2: and guards know that they could just go straight up
Speaker 2: field and not have to worry about a down lineman,
Speaker 2: then then those safety linebacker guys are are in a
Speaker 2: lot of hurt.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of things I think that Bell's
Speaker 3: gonna have to get better at. Yeah, Nay Thomas whenever
Speaker 3: he's back in clarkn't have to get better at Clark specifically.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a huge hole left by Layton Vandersch,
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. Huge hole, and those injuries have
Speaker 3: piled up on the defensive side. But I do want
Speaker 3: to take our first break when we come back. Can
Speaker 3: the pass rush still carry this team to victory? Not
Speaker 3: just the defense and the success in the defense, but
Speaker 3: can the pass rush be good enough to win you
Speaker 3: multiple football games down the stretch post bye week, We'll
Speaker 3: ask that question, plus which one of these injuries is
Speaker 3: most impactful on this Dallas Cowboys defense and where do
Speaker 3: they like they can maybe make a move at the
Speaker 3: trade deadline. Like Brian brought up a couple moments ago,
Speaker 3: a couple things on the line down the line here
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Speaker 3: Yeomans talking through this Cowboys defense, Kurt Win. It looked
Speaker 3: like initially early in the season, and I put this
Speaker 3: out there on our shows whenever it happened. Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 3: going down was robbing not only Cowboys fans but the
Speaker 3: NFL of a possibly historic defense. That's what it looked
Speaker 3: like at the time, because they had just gone through
Speaker 3: those two games, they had really been working in the
Speaker 3: right direction. Felt like, okay, this defense can be special.
Speaker 3: But even without Trayvon Diggs They're still going to be
Speaker 3: really really good, if maybe even great, but still not
Speaker 3: as good as what they could have been without Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3: In the fold, we just talked a lot about Layton
Speaker 3: vander Esh with those two guys out, now, which one's
Speaker 3: been the most impactful injury or is there another one
Speaker 3: that stands out to you based off of Digs and
Speaker 3: Leyton vander Esh and how this defense has to fill
Speaker 3: the holes.
Speaker 7: I think over these next few games it's going to
Speaker 7: be Vandersh And just because that position is so thin,
Speaker 7: there's not a lot of experience there. There's not a
Speaker 7: lot of just linebackers like we talked about earlier. And
Speaker 7: it's not just his his physical presence of being there.
Speaker 7: But you guys will know better than I do, but
Speaker 7: it feels like he just kind of keeps that defense
Speaker 7: in check, like he settles it down.
Speaker 3: He's kind of that leader in.
Speaker 7: That way, and then he's able to make sure he's
Speaker 7: in the right place and this and that, and so
Speaker 7: I think, you know, I was obviously blusing Digs is
Speaker 7: a big blow, but I felt like with Bland and
Speaker 7: maybe Jordan and some of the young guys, you had
Speaker 7: enough there. You weren't in dire straits. Now at vander
Speaker 7: esh out, there's enough talent around him. But still I
Speaker 7: think that's a that's a huge hole there that I wonder.
Speaker 7: I'm interested to see how they feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think about, you know, with with
Speaker 2: vander esh You're right, Kurtis, the position was then to
Speaker 2: begin with vander esh Really, I'm gonna you know, he
Speaker 2: does so much he helps you in the running game.
Speaker 6: You could put him in coverage.
Speaker 2: You know. Clark played well the other day against the Chargers.
Speaker 2: It was nice to see him step up. The New
Speaker 2: England game was his best game before that.
Speaker 6: But man, that injury to Digs, it just to me it.
Speaker 2: You know, the one thing that you got to be
Speaker 2: able to do is you got to be able to cover.
Speaker 6: And if you could cover, that helps your pass rush,
Speaker 6: you know, and and and.
Speaker 2: I think there's been a little bit of some inconsistency
Speaker 2: with the with the coverage since uh Digs been out.
Speaker 6: So I mean the.
Speaker 2: Pass rush, yeah, the pressures, but maybe if you can
Speaker 2: hold it a tick longer en route, you know, or
Speaker 2: keep a guy from getting up the field on you,
Speaker 2: that gives that buys Parsons an opportunity, Fouler opportunity, Lawrence
Speaker 2: an opportunity, Osa Diggi's what buys them an opportunity. I
Speaker 2: think that digs injury is huge, and I think they
Speaker 2: could play around vander Esh, but just the coverage aspect,
Speaker 2: that's what teams are doing now throwing the football, and
Speaker 2: they're finding ways to do it on the secondary.
Speaker 6: A little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when we talk about these injuries, I think right now,
Speaker 4: I think vander Esh is a huge injury right now,
Speaker 4: But as far as the long picture is concerned, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna have to go with Digs on this one because
Speaker 4: when you think about it, the teams that they're gonna
Speaker 4: have to play the upper echelon teams or whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it. They not only have an offensive
Speaker 4: line to match your defensive lines pressure, so they're always
Speaker 4: gonna be you know, hound in the quarterback, but the
Speaker 4: majority of them have that that double option a wide
Speaker 4: receiver when you talk about explosive players, and before the
Speaker 4: digs injury went down, you know you had faith in
Speaker 4: Gilmour and Diggs and be able to match those two receivers.
Speaker 4: So when I'm talking about them, talking about like Philly,
Speaker 4: they got aj Brown and Deavonte Smith out there. Are
Speaker 4: you gonna leave one of those corners back on an
Speaker 4: island against you know, a J. Brown or Devonte Smith
Speaker 4: kind of have your safety shading over there, or are
Speaker 4: you gonna kind of have to play a two high
Speaker 4: shell over both of those receivers, But then that leaves
Speaker 4: you weaken in the run. So I think when you
Speaker 4: had those two corners out there, you were able to
Speaker 4: do a lot more with this defense, and dan Quinn
Speaker 4: was able to be a lot more creative. You also
Speaker 4: think about the forty nine ers. I you Deebo Samuel
Speaker 4: out there. I mean Miami coming down the road. You
Speaker 4: get Tyreek, Kiwaddle, Detroit Reynolds, Saint Brown. These these upper
Speaker 4: echelon teams that you're gonna have to play to get
Speaker 4: to that next level, have those double options and they
Speaker 4: have the offensive line to kind of match your defensive
Speaker 4: pass rush. So I think that digs injury long term
Speaker 4: is going to be huge on this defense when you
Speaker 4: talk about being able to match skill for skill out
Speaker 4: there and not have to take away something from the
Speaker 4: defense as far as aggressiveness to kind of you know,
Speaker 4: match and help out those corners on the outside. So
Speaker 4: I think over the period of time that Digg's injury
Speaker 4: is going to be humongous.
Speaker 6: I went back and real quick, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I went back and watched the Browns play the forty
Speaker 2: nine Ers on tape. I was curious of how they matched,
Speaker 2: how they matched up and barriers right they What was
Speaker 2: really interesting. They very smart the too high shell. And
Speaker 2: what they did though, is when brock Perry started too
Speaker 2: high and then when the snap of the ball, they
Speaker 2: drove a safety in the middle of the field as
Speaker 2: a robber, and.
Speaker 6: So they went they went.
Speaker 2: So what they did was they played man underneath and
Speaker 2: they went four man rush, but they took advantage of
Speaker 2: Buford and mckivitt's.
Speaker 6: On that right side.
Speaker 2: Teams know the Browns were good enough to put pressure
Speaker 2: at tackle and at edge, but the way they did
Speaker 2: it they took They took the forty nine ers cross
Speaker 2: game away with playing man underneath, playing man really all around,
Speaker 2: and then driving that safety to the middle of the
Speaker 2: field to take the crosser. And then they had somebody
Speaker 2: back over the top. So they were they were they
Speaker 2: were covered on every level of the defense, but they
Speaker 2: were able to get.
Speaker 6: The pressure home and then they gave pretty and you.
Speaker 2: Know, Dallas I don't think is equipped to play too deep,
Speaker 2: not with not with Curse playing the other safety, you know,
Speaker 2: and sometimes even Wilson, you know, his eyes get lost.
Speaker 2: And but if you're going to play a too deep
Speaker 2: and play with a robber in the middle of the field,
Speaker 2: you know that that might be something going forward that
Speaker 2: they kind of a little bit of a different look
Speaker 2: that they give it. That's how the Browns got to
Speaker 2: the got to the forty nine ers. They just didn't
Speaker 2: allow him on these crossing routes. And that's the thing
Speaker 2: that I'm worried about when it comes to Gilmore. I
Speaker 2: said it earlier about our team's going to carry him
Speaker 2: inside and make him chase anything vertical.
Speaker 6: He's fine.
Speaker 2: Anything across as a chase situation has been a little
Speaker 2: bit of a struggle.
Speaker 7: So is the I said that dig is obviously one
Speaker 7: of the best in the game. Is Bland that big
Speaker 7: of a drop off or is it more of a
Speaker 7: domino effect because you're kicking out band.
Speaker 3: And that's now your slot is.
Speaker 6: That's where I that's where I think it is. I
Speaker 6: think you're weak now.
Speaker 2: At two spots, well, actually really weak at one spot
Speaker 2: because Bland playing slot, to me is the best of
Speaker 2: you know, you get three guys on the field that
Speaker 2: can cover. Now, now, all of a sudden, you take
Speaker 2: one of that, you take one of the best defenders
Speaker 2: off the field, and you put Bland on the outside.
Speaker 6: He's good. I think Bland's even better inside.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 6: And so now.
Speaker 2: You're dealing with and you know that if you believe
Speaker 2: in Pro Football Focus and all those people that grave
Speaker 2: these players, the eye test will tell you Bland's had
Speaker 2: some really nice games and some nice coverage. But man,
Speaker 2: he's just so much better. I think it's it kills
Speaker 2: him because Lewis has his moments, but not like Bland,
Speaker 2: you know. And so now you got now you've got Diggs, Bland,
Speaker 2: and Gilmore in the back end covering and that that
Speaker 2: that's that's the best.
Speaker 7: Of everything inside.
Speaker 6: That's the question position strong.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying, because they can't They're not
Speaker 2: going to play Jordan Lewis outside. And if you had
Speaker 2: somebody else and not everybody has all these corners.
Speaker 6: I mean mccuamu was a guy that we saw last.
Speaker 2: Year late in the year, all of a sudden, they're
Speaker 2: they're getting guys off the street to play corner in
Speaker 2: these games, and all of a sudden, mcwamu's like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're we're not going to do this anymore. We're not
Speaker 2: going to play with these off the street guys. They
Speaker 2: put mcwamuy out there and they actually played well, played well.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if man to me is it's
Speaker 2: just it's a struggle just because I love Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 2: I just don't know, you know, if if that's the
Speaker 2: all the time thing that I want to go with any.
Speaker 4: Thoughts on right sliding on the outside, you get the length,
Speaker 4: he's a little longer of a corner.
Speaker 3: Coming back from injury. I think they're they're trying to
Speaker 3: work him back into the fold. But even if that's
Speaker 3: the case, is he gonna be better on the outside
Speaker 3: than Bland would be on the outside, because at least
Speaker 3: with Bland you have Jordan Lewis to rely back on
Speaker 3: in this true right in that nickel position. The one
Speaker 3: thing I'm looking at whenever it comes to the domino
Speaker 3: effect you mentioned the domino effect of Trayvon Digg's injury
Speaker 3: is not only is Bland better suited for the inside
Speaker 3: in the nickel position. But Gilmour is better suited as
Speaker 3: a cornerback too. Now he's been a corner one his
Speaker 3: entire career, but they signed him to be a cornerback
Speaker 3: two to not face the AJ Browns, to not face
Speaker 3: those number one wide receivers. But now he has to again, Well,
Speaker 3: they don't travel, but they don't always travel.
Speaker 6: See that's I'm saying so to me. To me, I
Speaker 6: don't look at football anymore as a one in a
Speaker 6: two corner I don't.
Speaker 2: I just think you have to find a way because
Speaker 2: the way that teams formation you. And if you're not
Speaker 2: gonna travel, you gotta play. You're gonna they're gonna gonna play.
Speaker 3: You're gonna play.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're gonna. They're gonna They're gonna find a way.
Speaker 2: They're like, Okay, we don't think he's better than this guy.
Speaker 6: We're gonna line him up over here. That's what these
Speaker 6: teams do.
Speaker 2: They'll scheme you to a point where all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: like we've seen guys with, they'll bump a guy. They'll
Speaker 2: bring a guy in motion, bump a guy out, and
Speaker 2: they'll bump. They'll put a linebacker on Christian McCaffery, and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, wait a minute, he had a corner
Speaker 2: on him earlier here. Now he's bumped him out because
Speaker 2: of the motion. And so they'll match you up. If
Speaker 2: they don't feel like that you can that you can cover,
Speaker 2: they will find ways. So I don't look at it
Speaker 2: as a one into two. I just think I think
Speaker 2: both the guys have to be more than suitable.
Speaker 3: But you also look at it from a totality standpoint
Speaker 3: of the of the secondary in the cornerback room, because
Speaker 3: if Bland's on the outside, you feel pretty good about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you feel good about what Bland is. He might be
Speaker 3: your best corner. Maybe he might agree. And if if
Speaker 3: that's the case, then you put him back inside. Your
Speaker 3: drop off from the outside from Bland is then either
Speaker 3: nay Sean Wright, Noah Iggbonogany, or somebody else. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean that's just kind of what it is. There's a
Speaker 3: significant drop off, whereas if you take Bland out of
Speaker 3: the slot, your drop off is from Bland to Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 3: which is not nearly as significant of a drop off.
Speaker 3: So that's why they're putting him on the outside. That's
Speaker 3: why they're playing him out there because one, whether or
Speaker 3: not they travel Gilmore, He's gonna face a number one
Speaker 3: or a number two wide receiver on the boundary. Bland
Speaker 3: is going to face a number one or number two
Speaker 3: receiver on the boundary. Jordan Lewis has just got to
Speaker 3: play better. I mean, and I'm not saying he's played poorly.
Speaker 2: There's times when he's been fine. I just have we
Speaker 2: faced a team I say, well, I shouldn't say we
Speaker 2: have they faced a team that has a dominant slot player.
Speaker 3: You can, I mean throw Brandon Ayuk in that conversation,
Speaker 3: but incredible.
Speaker 6: But are you killed him on the out outside? It was?
Speaker 3: I mean, but you have three guys there.
Speaker 4: You see.
Speaker 6: I'm interested.
Speaker 2: I'm interested in watching the Rams this week and seeing
Speaker 2: what they're doing.
Speaker 6: What they're gonna do. Who are Yeah, yeah, Cooper, he's.
Speaker 4: Gonna be everywhere. Yopau's gonna be slot outside bound, it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter Nicula. I mean that's an headed monster.
Speaker 2: Yeah see, I'm interested to see how teams tried to
Speaker 2: match up against them that way, because those guys have
Speaker 2: been making well. I know that Cooper Cups coming back
Speaker 2: from injury, but that kid from that kid from BYU
Speaker 2: has been special.
Speaker 3: He really yeah, he's been fantastic. Speaking of rookie impact,
Speaker 3: when we come back, let's talk about this draft class.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of these rookies maybe filling these
Speaker 3: holes of these injuries that we're talking about. Maybe if
Speaker 3: the draft class would fill those holes, you would feel
Speaker 3: a lot better about it. But we'll talk about that,
Speaker 3: We'll talk about the impact of the rookie class, and
Speaker 3: we'll give our predictions for the post bye week season
Speaker 3: when we come back right after this with more talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 3: What time are you are you going to the ballpark tonight?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Houston, Houston.
Speaker 6: No, I'd love to go. I'd love to go about it. No,
Speaker 6: I did to make that I absolutely thought about it.
Speaker 2: But we got a broadcast today, but we've got full
Speaker 2: coverage on Winter three.
Speaker 6: The fandom, I'll let.
Speaker 3: You get like an RV and just oh thing down
Speaker 3: I forty five.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I was in the I was
Speaker 2: in the stands the last time for heartbreak.
Speaker 6: I mean, let's just say that that l twov too.
Speaker 6: He took my soul hour man, he really did.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to get my heart broken again tonight. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be great.
Speaker 6: Don't say that that's not knocking confidence.
Speaker 3: I actually do have confidence. I think Sures are about
Speaker 3: to go out there and throw an absolute gym.
Speaker 6: I hope so great.
Speaker 3: I hope so uh. But yeah, let's talk about this
Speaker 3: rookie class for the Dallas Cowboys, shall we. Yeah, we've
Speaker 3: talked about the offense, talked about the defense, the overarching
Speaker 3: theme of this team. Now let's run down the draft picks.
Speaker 3: We'll start with, of course, the first rounder Mozzie Smith. Kurt.
Speaker 3: When you look at Mozzie Smith, has he done enough
Speaker 3: to reach your expectations for the first six games of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 7: Oh no, not. I don't think anybody thinks he's reached
Speaker 7: the expectations that you'd want from a number one pick,
Speaker 7: just as far as the impact he would have. I'm choosing.
Speaker 7: I'm choosing two things. One is that the Cowboys have
Speaker 7: some depth so they don't have to rush them in.
Speaker 4: Two, I'm just.
Speaker 7: Hale Will McLay and his staff, and I'm putting my
Speaker 7: trust that they, you know, and they're obviously one of
Speaker 7: the best in the league, and that they know what
Speaker 7: they're doing.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know what. I have no idea so they
Speaker 7: but they've proven to be uh guruz at this before
Speaker 7: and I'm just I'm putting my trust in them.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Brian? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean the thing if you're one of those guys
Speaker 2: and gals that watches all twenty two, and I encourage you,
Speaker 2: you know, if you can, if you can afford to
Speaker 2: do it and go to the NFL dot Com and
Speaker 2: get your the package. You don't have to be a
Speaker 2: former scout or ball player, right and you don't have
Speaker 2: to be You could see it with your own eyes,
Speaker 2: you know, you could just sit there and focus on
Speaker 2: number fifty eight. Did he have problems getting off the snap? Initially?
Speaker 2: Absolutely he did. Was he laid a bunch. Yes he was.
Speaker 2: Has he gotten better he has. Yes, he's gotten better
Speaker 2: getting off the ball, He's gotten better playing with his hands.
Speaker 2: His base is better. The numbers don't say all that.
Speaker 2: But if you really sit down and just say, today,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch Mozzie Smith play football, and you know
Speaker 2: he gets like fifteen eighteen snaps a game right now,
Speaker 2: and those there's probably four or five of them, you go, okay,
Speaker 2: little late there, got turned, got knocked out of the
Speaker 2: hole and all. But then the other fourteen or fifteen
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, got off the ball, disruptive, held up,
Speaker 2: the guy did a good job with osa. I'm not
Speaker 2: sitting here and carrying water for the Dallas Cowboys drafting
Speaker 2: department or the scouting department at all, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say this guy is not a bust.
Speaker 6: He is not now.
Speaker 2: I love Luke Schoonmaker. Luke Skingmaker was my guy. Luke
Speaker 2: Skinmaker is struggling right now. I mean, and he's struggling
Speaker 2: catching the football. He's struggling with some of the point
Speaker 2: of attack blocking as us all the tight ends here.
Speaker 2: So to me, those first two picks and then overshown
Speaker 2: gets hurt. We were just talking about it during the
Speaker 2: break among ourselves what Overshown's role would have been. So
Speaker 2: this thing would have looked a lot different if you
Speaker 2: would have had maybe Overshown in the mix. But don't
Speaker 2: throw dirt on Mazie Smith right now, love it. Just
Speaker 2: don't throw dirt on him. And I encourage you, if
Speaker 2: you can afford to watch the All twenty two, go
Speaker 2: get it and just and just take a peek and
Speaker 2: get the end zone part of it and just kind
Speaker 2: of look, oh, look there's fifty eight boom. Watching him play,
Speaker 2: you'll have a better understanding of what he is.
Speaker 7: But as a number one picks.
Speaker 2: It's been yeah, it's it's not been Yeah, it's no,
Speaker 2: it's not it's it's not it's not the impact of
Speaker 2: you know, of some of the other number one picks
Speaker 2: around the league. You know, it's not just looking at
Speaker 2: names like a Will Anderson into what you know, what he's,
Speaker 2: what he's been able to do. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 2: plenty of guys in this draft that, you know, the
Speaker 2: first round picks, that are playing at a much higher level.
Speaker 2: I just don't like I say, I I think the
Speaker 2: position he plays, if he was an under tackle or
Speaker 2: a three technique and not a nose. You know, noses
Speaker 2: are different than what you know, those guys that get
Speaker 2: on the outside shoulder and run up the field and
Speaker 2: they're disruptive and all that. Would I like Mazzi to
Speaker 2: make more tackles behind the line when he gets in there,
Speaker 2: and play a little bit more power, Sure, absolutely I would.
Speaker 2: But I think that the position he plays limits really
Speaker 2: the numbers that you're gonna see.
Speaker 6: And you know, I would like him to be a
Speaker 6: little bit better and some some snaps. Sure, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When we talk about Bozzi, uh, you know, was he
Speaker 4: getting thrown out of the club early? No preseason all
Speaker 4: that stuff? Of course, I mean no, no white teas
Speaker 4: at all. He was getting tossed around, especially in a
Speaker 4: Seattle preseason game. But like Brown was saying, I mean,
Speaker 4: he's shown improvement. You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't call him,
Speaker 4: you know, tackle Charlton's just yet, all right, this guy
Speaker 4: he's shown improvement. And what people got to realize is,
Speaker 4: you know, he wasn't brought in here to be you
Speaker 4: know an Aaron Donald, a guy that's gonna just go
Speaker 4: a field, disrupt everything. Penetration early on. I think what
Speaker 4: he was brought here to do is pretty much solidify
Speaker 4: that interior, which means at the point of attack, if
Speaker 4: you're getting double team, stand your ground right there. Don't
Speaker 4: let that combo block work up to the next level
Speaker 4: to the linebackers. I think he was brought here to
Speaker 4: be a space eater and and you love to see
Speaker 4: him get a little bit better at and kind of
Speaker 4: pushing that pushing the off the line back a little
Speaker 4: bit more. But he's getting better. I feel like that
Speaker 4: Chargers game, he was doing a pretty good genat of
Speaker 4: holding the point of attack and you know, shedding here
Speaker 4: and there and not letting those guys get up to
Speaker 4: the next level. And that's why we were able to
Speaker 4: see a Bell and Clark, you know, kind of go
Speaker 4: sideline the sideline and do their things. So you know,
Speaker 4: he's far from a bus and he's showing improvement each
Speaker 4: and every week out there. But to me, I just
Speaker 4: would have loved to see Over shown out there just
Speaker 4: so far this season. I mean, that guy had so
Speaker 4: much promise in the in the preseason. The way he
Speaker 4: was able to move out there, I just feel like
Speaker 4: he could have been an unbelievable chess piece for Dan Quinn.
Speaker 4: But so far this year, when you look at this
Speaker 4: draft class, I think we've been spoiled a lot, you know,
Speaker 4: from the past with the Cowboys as far as getting
Speaker 4: first round picks and them having this immediate impact. I say,
Speaker 4: just give a little bit of time for Ozzie Smith,
Speaker 4: and I think you'll see improvement each and every week.
Speaker 3: Look at every first round pick since twenty eighteen. Wayte
Speaker 3: Vander Rush immediate impay, Cede Lamb immediate impact, Michael Parson's boom,
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith boom. Mozzi Smith is the first one since
Speaker 3: Taco Charlton then has not had it. We'll see immediate,
Speaker 3: but we're six games in. Yeah, he'll have a battle
Speaker 3: rookie season.
Speaker 2: I think people I think people are seeing maybe what
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter's doing with Philadelphia with the Eagles.
Speaker 6: You know that Jalen.
Speaker 2: Carter on a lot of boards was like the first
Speaker 2: overall pick as the thought of people when you talk
Speaker 2: about Jalen Carter, you watch Jalen Carter tape and Mozzie
Speaker 2: Smith tape for Michigan, it was a clear difference. But
Speaker 2: I think people are kind of expecting that, like, well,
Speaker 2: look what they got out of their big guy. Why
Speaker 2: can't our big guy not you know, why can't our
Speaker 2: big guy not have three and a half socks and
Speaker 2: stuff like that? But you know, that's it's kind of
Speaker 2: a different player. But that's that's kind of how you
Speaker 2: view it in the lens. But I encourage people if
Speaker 2: you can watch it, go watch it.
Speaker 6: You'll learn a little bit.
Speaker 3: So with with that being said, he's he's shown some improvement.
Speaker 3: I want to do some second half superlatives. And I
Speaker 3: know it's not the second half of the schedule, but
Speaker 3: it's post bye week, so it's.
Speaker 6: The second half.
Speaker 3: It feels like the second half. Uh, predictions for this
Speaker 3: most improved player? Who would you think would be the
Speaker 3: most improved player on this Cowboys roster? Kurt, I'll start with.
Speaker 7: You, Well, it's probably the low hanging fruit. But and
Speaker 7: this implies that he hasn't been good in some ways.
Speaker 7: But I think he's just kept progressing. That's OsO. I mean,
Speaker 7: he's really stepped up his game even more this year.
Speaker 7: He's been good at first two this season. I think
Speaker 7: you're the third. You're really seeing him come along now.
Speaker 7: He's been a maybe perhaps because Malesi's learning curve here.
Speaker 7: He's really stepped up and held down a lot of
Speaker 7: that interior thing.
Speaker 3: It's been awesome.
Speaker 4: Arry, I'm gonna have to go even though he you know,
Speaker 4: he's strull a little bit early on, had a great
Speaker 4: game last week. I'm gonna have to go with Bell
Speaker 4: on this one. As far as improvement. You've seen a
Speaker 4: switch his position from safety to linebacker, and they kind
Speaker 4: of threw him into the fire. And the first couple
Speaker 4: of weeks practice whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: He didn't.
Speaker 4: He kind of seemed lost out there a little bit.
Speaker 4: And as the weeks go on and as he's getting
Speaker 4: more comfortable at that linebacker position, you see he's starting
Speaker 4: to make plays, you know, whether it's shooting gaps or
Speaker 4: covering guys like Austin Eckler. I mean, because he pretty
Speaker 4: much made Eckler, you know, a non factor in that
Speaker 4: game against the Chargers. I mean, he was pretty much
Speaker 4: on him from a coverage standpoint. So I'm saying he's improving,
Speaker 4: and I'm and I'm seeing a lot from Marquise Bell,
Speaker 4: and I like what I see so far.
Speaker 2: I think Turpin is a guy that I'd like to
Speaker 2: see him get more involved in in some of the
Speaker 2: offensive snaps. You know, the guy has actually shown the ability.
Speaker 2: They brought him emotion one time and he jumped up
Speaker 2: in wheen of the longest runs they had in the
Speaker 2: game the other night, Like I think it was a
Speaker 2: seven yard room, maybe a little bit longer, but he's
Speaker 2: like he goes, he comes in motion and then jumps
Speaker 2: inside and is able to get a block and it.
Speaker 6: Gets the back. It's like second level through.
Speaker 2: And then now you know they're running with a little
Speaker 2: bit more of some space. But when they hand him
Speaker 2: the ball, throw him the ball he blocking. He seems
Speaker 2: like me to a guy that he played a lot
Speaker 2: of football last year because of the USFL, and then
Speaker 2: he came in and you know they were trying to
Speaker 2: kind of you know, I mean, there was thirty some
Speaker 2: odd games. I think the guy played was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: Maybe long and wrong about that, but he seems like
Speaker 2: a guy that I would try to get more involved
Speaker 2: in the offense him Cooks, try and get them a
Speaker 2: little bit more involved in with that burst in that
Speaker 2: speed and take.
Speaker 6: Advantage of it.
Speaker 3: I think I would throw Jalen Tolbert into the fold too,
Speaker 3: just at that wide receiver position. I think more it's
Speaker 3: maybe not because he's playing just out of his mind.
Speaker 3: It's because of where he came from. Sure came from
Speaker 3: last year and he was in a bad place from
Speaker 3: a football standpoint. He was in a dark place with
Speaker 3: the coaching staff, with the front office. I mean, nobody
Speaker 3: was really happy with Jalen Tolbert. And it's that he's
Speaker 3: worked his way onto the roster. He's showing a willingness
Speaker 3: on special teams. I know he's coming off of the
Speaker 3: play against the Chargers. I thought he was just trying
Speaker 3: to make a play. Yeah, oh he got got blown up,
Speaker 3: trust me. And he's filling in first a good one
Speaker 3: in that situation. There are times like that where it
Speaker 3: didn't go well for Jalen Tolbert. But he's shown a
Speaker 3: willingness to play on special teams. He's shown ability to
Speaker 3: make an impact from an offensive standpoints. I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: most improved Jalen Tolbert. Now, this one's for the first
Speaker 3: six games and the rest of the season. When the
Speaker 3: season is said and done, Barry Church, who will be
Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys Most Valuable Player MVP? Here's the guy.
Speaker 4: That'll be the MVP.
Speaker 3: So this is more of a prediction as opposed to
Speaker 3: a review.
Speaker 4: If the season goes how I believe it will go,
Speaker 4: which this team will get to the playoffs and hopefully
Speaker 4: make a run. I'm saying this, this MVP has it's
Speaker 4: got to be Prescott. I think it's got to be
Speaker 4: him if this team is going to make a run.
Speaker 4: We understand what this defense brings is to strengthen his
Speaker 4: team so far, and I think they'll always give you
Speaker 4: an opportunity to win ball games. And I think it's
Speaker 4: going to come down to can that quarterback make the
Speaker 4: plays out there? And we saw last week he has
Speaker 4: the ability. He has the ability to put this team
Speaker 4: on his shoulders and make plays out there offscript, on script.
Speaker 4: He has that ability. It just comes down to the
Speaker 4: decision making and if the play's not there, don't compound
Speaker 4: the issue about trying to force something in there, throw
Speaker 4: the check down, use your legs. And we saw a
Speaker 4: little bit of that last week. So if this team's
Speaker 4: going to go where I believe they can, I think
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott has got to be the MVP.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously Michaeh. Parsons is gonna make a case
Speaker 7: for but I mean the ball is in Dak's hands
Speaker 7: every snap where Mike's not even on the field on
Speaker 7: some plays. So I think in the end, this team
Speaker 7: is going to roll how Dak rolls.
Speaker 3: So if the ball is in Michael Parson's hands.
Speaker 2: The other way, it's got to be Tony Pollard because
Speaker 2: this cowboy running game is non existent right now, That's true,
Speaker 2: And the second half they've got to figure it out,
Speaker 2: whether it's what's going on with the five guys. We
Speaker 2: had Stephen Jones on one O five three the fans
Speaker 2: on last Friday. We talked about annuity. We talked about
Speaker 2: this group, this offensive line, the five guys that play together.
Speaker 2: Now a couple of weeks. You know, you really didn't
Speaker 2: have any opportunity to practice this week. So the second
Speaker 2: half of the season, you know, you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: kind of figure some things out with this offensive line.
Speaker 2: I know, the first three games, the Rams, the Eagles,
Speaker 2: the Giants, and then you get the Commanders, you know,
Speaker 2: with you know, with their inside guys, you've got to
Speaker 2: figure out ways.
Speaker 6: To block fronts. You've got to be able to run
Speaker 6: the ball.
Speaker 2: To take pressure off Dak Prescott. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: to try and be more balanced. I think that's what
Speaker 2: McCarthy wants to do. But it's going to have to
Speaker 2: start with it up front. But anytime that Tony Pollard
Speaker 2: has the ball in his hands, it can't be a
Speaker 2: plus two or plus three. It's got to be plus four,
Speaker 2: plus five, maybe some bigger.
Speaker 6: Runs than that if they're going to have any success.
Speaker 7: But is that a Pollard issue?
Speaker 6: Is that an offensive line it's an offensive line issue.
Speaker 2: But they're going to need Pollard though, if they do
Speaker 2: figure things out to be the guy that's going to
Speaker 2: carry the mail for them in this thing, they're going
Speaker 2: to have, you know, even throw him the ball, you know,
Speaker 2: throwing the screens and stuff. If they can continue to
Speaker 2: find I think putting the ball in his hands maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know. Tony Pollard might not be completely he
Speaker 2: might be healthy, but I don't know if he's got
Speaker 2: that burst that he once had. But if this team
Speaker 2: is going to have offensive success, he has got to
Speaker 2: have success himself.
Speaker 3: I like I honestly, I think the run game is
Speaker 3: where this offense struggles the most right now, and I
Speaker 3: think if they can get that going, it's going to
Speaker 3: open things up for Dak Prescott. So I agree with Brian,
Speaker 3: I really do. I think Tony Pollard is the key
Speaker 3: to this thing. And I mean the real key is
Speaker 3: the offensive line.
Speaker 7: Say maybe the MVP's the offensive line.
Speaker 3: Well, that might be the number one concern. The MVP
Speaker 3: would have to be Tony Poller because he's the only
Speaker 3: one that could maybe make it invad home.
Speaker 6: They've had some struggles.
Speaker 2: I mean, you always great offensive lineman, you know, sixty
Speaker 2: five plays, you know they might if if they have
Speaker 2: three bad plays, it's an understanding. If they have six
Speaker 2: bad plays or seven bad plays, then there's a problem there.
Speaker 2: And we're starting to see if you're great sixty five plays,
Speaker 2: that there's six or seven problems. You know, Tyler Smith
Speaker 2: in a couple of games has not been as great
Speaker 2: as he has been in the past.
Speaker 6: Tyler Beatdish is healthy and he's not been great as much.
Speaker 2: You know, Zach Martin is really playing on one leg
Speaker 2: right now. Tyron Smith started off the year really, really well.
Speaker 2: And Terrence Steele, I mean, you know it's just him
Speaker 2: and Martin on the right side have just not gotten
Speaker 2: it going blocking wise, like we've seen in the past,
Speaker 2: the tight ends have got to be better at the
Speaker 2: point of attack if they're gonna do anything in this
Speaker 2: running game as well.
Speaker 3: Man, there's a long way to go and there's a
Speaker 3: lot of things to look at with this Cowboys team,
Speaker 3: but man, we're gonna cover it all the way through.
Speaker 3: We're back to the normal podcast schedule tomorrow and catch
Speaker 3: Barry Church on Players Lounge ThM Central Time. Tell me
Speaker 3: why you should watch Players Lounge.
Speaker 4: Because I'm on it all right. If you want to
Speaker 4: learn anything about football, just you know.
Speaker 3: Kurt, You're on Hanging with the Boys. You guys go
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Speaker 2: Right, Oh no, we all like the Break and so yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that Patrick Walker has done a great job
Speaker 2: with his insight there. Amberger sia. It brings the fire
Speaker 2: and the passion every week, and Derek kind of moves
Speaker 2: the thing around like you's all and Iverson's a point guard.
Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 2: and encourage people to to stay tuned.
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Speaker 3: Cowboys team is doing. So should be a whole lot
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Speaker 3: think we're already there anyways for Chris Bean, for Barry Church,
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