WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Still Elite? 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.480 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:07.080 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.320 Cowboys. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.639 This He's Talking Cowboys, Straining live. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.279 From the Dallas Cowboys World. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.360 Course at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:27.400 Straight TI TI, Touchdown. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:33.040 And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:38.600 and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.479 It's a marvelous Monday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.879 Black Rifle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.839 We are here inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios as the 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.600 bye week is now in the rearview mirror. The Cowboys 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.480 get ready to face the Los Angeles Rams in Week 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:03.200 eight of the NFL season. Well rested, right, guys, right, 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.720 because this is, uh, this is a bye week. Right, 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.040 You're supposed to be like chilling, supposed supposed to be 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.520 supposed to be relaxing, not traveling or getting super I 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.520 don't want to do that, but anything like that. It's 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.600 a young team, though, it is a young team. As 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.800 long as they stay out of the news. As Nate say, 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.520 that's the number one thing Nate Newton said. I said, 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.600 what's the key to a successful bye week? He said, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.760 stay out of the news. That's actual. That's so far, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.960 that's the case. So that's good for the Dallas Cowboys. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.160 We're back here with a shuffled podcast crew on Talking Cowboys. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.240 We have Brian brought us from Cowboys Break and one 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.279 oh five three the Fan. We've got Kurt Daniels from 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.679 Hanging with the Boys and the DC Star magazine. And 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.480 then we've also got Buried, Yes, Sir, former Dallas Cowboys 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.680 and he's heard on the Players Lounge special edition pregame 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.559 and postgame coverage for the Dallas Cowboys. Gentlemen, how we doing, Brian, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:56.520 You're rocking your Rangers? 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:56.720 Shit? 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:58.960 Yeah, ready to go? 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:04.000 Uh was at the game Friday, and I'm trying to 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.640 remember sporting events in Dallas and growing up in Dallas 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:12.040 of just all time gut wrenchers. I was there for 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:16.600 the White Clark catch in the NFC Championship game way 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.360 back in the day. Tony Romo's drop snap in Seattle 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.240 in a playoff game was a gut wrencher. Does Bryant's 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:25.519 standing right there? 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:26.840 Catch? No catch? 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.200 That was a gut wrenching play right there for a 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.520 really good football And then when I'll two v hit 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.960 that I was learning the press box, and we all 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.760 know because we've been in the press box. Our life 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.960 is in the press box, and you can't cheer. And 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.560 literally it was as quiet. I mean, you could see 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.400 the Astro riders all just kind of the and the 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.680 Ranger riders were all just like not again. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.040 So it's been a roller coaster ride. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.200 But the great thing about this the Cowboys and the 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.519 Stars and the MAVs Rangers, they all support each other. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.640 Dak Prescott was at the game dressed up, he had 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.360 his jersey on ready to go, you know. So yeah, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.359 there's a lot of that crossover between the two. But man, 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.920 I was trying to think of those the all time 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.560 gut wrenching DFW sports moments, and a few of them 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.840 came up Cowboys, which was which is never a good thing. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.880 I think it always it starts with the Cowboys, at 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.880 least in my mind and being in DFW, But man, 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.639 the Rangers have had some gut wrenchers too. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:28.519 That was a great one yesterday. It was a great 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.560 win to get him in game seven to come back. 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.320 But man, you think about if you find out if 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.160 you find a way to win that game Friday and 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.280 then EVOLDI pitching today or last nast night, last night, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.040 you have a chance to close those guys out. And 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.640 that's that's the that's the beauty of sports right there. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.200 Though he got in game seven to nine, Max Schures 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.240 are on the hill and yeah, man, that's gonna be 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:49.840 a fun one. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:55.240 Two strikes twice, So that's yeah, back in eleven, that 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.520 was a good pun That hurts. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.920 And I'm not a baseball guy by any stretch of 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.680 the imagination, like I'm of baseball game. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.040 But so they are like who is out to Bay. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.520 As far as like a football reference like put put 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.240 that in like for me, as far as like it's 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.040 out because. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:13.120 I'll do that. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.080 Pick pick somebody that you absolutely despise. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.719 From the Philadelphia Eagles, I'll tell you what if the 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.560 Rangers are fortunate, And again I get buddies with the Diamondbacks. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.960 And the great thing about working with the Cowboys is 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.760 that there's guys in baseball that are huge Cowboy fans. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.080 So the way I trade my information with them about 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.719 what's going on with the team, and I learned. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:34.800 About major League Baseball. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.560 But yeah, just if somehow the Phillies get through the world, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.280 that is going to be wild if it's the Rangers 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.120 and the Phillies, because those are two cities that really 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:46.720 just don't get along very well. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.479 I want to see if it lines up. But the 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.839 Cowboys play the Eagles. What week they played the Eagles 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.720 after after the Rams game? November fifth? Week nine? So 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.960 during the World Series, right, the Eagles and the Cowboys. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.599 We had that one time here we had the Cardinals. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.320 The Cardinals played across the street when they played the Rams. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.920 I believe it was the game that DeMarco Murray had 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.599 two hundred and eighty something yards. Yeah, he had some 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.960 incredible rushing day for the Cowboys. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.600 And so congratulations Tony Pollard, You're gonna have a hell 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:17.839 of a game in week nine. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.280 Yeah, I'll take it, though. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.360 It would be interesting. Good luck to the Rangers tonight. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.800 Of course, You've got our support and man, hopefully they 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.000 can they can pull that out. Yeah, that's an interesting 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.919 comp though. I mean where Jose Altuve little undersized for 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.080 his position, but many hits with power. He does a 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.599 lot of things really well. My first thought was was 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:39.280 Tyreek Hill. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:40.200 I mean, just a. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.520 Complete game changer, clutch player, somebody who's just an unbelievable 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.320 athlete and a little bit undersized, a little under the 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.120 radar until he hit that point in the NFL. That 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.360 was kind of my comp But I want to try 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:54.640 and ask that same question. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.960 I was just thinking on hate sports hate, oh sports hate, Yeah, because. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.520 TV to me, no, he's from him. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:01.039 Oh No, he's a. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.440 Huge out huge, you know. But he has a history 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.640 of things that aren't above board, you know. I mean, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.960 whether you believe it or not, but he's got kind 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.560 of that history. A lot of the Astros do, and 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.160 you know New England Patriots, same way with Tom Brady. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.000 There's a lot of things that you kind of Okay, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.440 well you can't do that, but you're trying to do this. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.240 And I just think because l TV has been he 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.240 has killed the Rangers in the series, him and Alvarez 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.640 both have just killed. But again, it's the football show, 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:29.600 so we'll do football. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:30.880 We got one. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:35.200 I got five hours, four and a half hours of radio. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:38.160 The h G from Jersey says out two days equivalent 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.320 for him is Aaron Rodgers always gets. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:45.960 Here you go. That is that is that from Jerseys. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.680 I've been a part of those Aaron Rodgers Daggers man, that. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.520 One up, buddy, that's the right one. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.320 On uh not Friday. On Wednesday, we had a chance 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.680 to really talk about the offense, state of the offense, 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.880 what this team looked like going into the bye week, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:03.880 and some of the ups since some of the downs. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.320 I want to switch the conversation to the defensive side 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.359 of the football today. Starting with the confidence meter, we 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.920 talked about the overall confidence. Then we talked about the 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.560 offensive unit. Barry, I'll start with you, our resident defender. Yes, sir, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.000 where does your confidence level rank right now in the 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:22.760 Cowboys defense? In the fact that can they still be elite? 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.640 It's waver just a little bit. If we're going all 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.360 the way back to training camp, you know, and all 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.360 the reports I've read out there, and those guys were 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.000 just destroying this offense, I'm in my head thinking there's 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.040 got to be a chance to be an historic defense. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.200 I mean, you got the pass rush, you got the secondary, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.840 the second level all down pat. If we can just 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.360 basically muddy up that run that we've had, you know, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:43.920 these past couple years, this team is going to be there. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.880 This defense is gonna be historic. You know. Then the 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.320 first two weeks come, you go against New York Giants, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.200 and the Aaron Rodgers list Jets, and we didn't know 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:52.920 how bad you know, those teams were going to be 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.080 at the beginning of the season. So you're off to 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.520 a historic pace, and I'm like, man, this defense is legit. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.400 This is it because New York Giants, they were a 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.080 playoff team last year and they were able to destroy them. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.480 And even though we didn't go against you know, Aaron Rodgers, 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.800 I felt like, man, this defense has it. This team, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.520 this team has got the juice. This defense can really roll. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.840 And then a couple of injuries happened right there, and 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.400 I didn't think that Digs injury was going to be 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.320 as huge as it has been, because if you look 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.680 at it, man, this secondary back there, if any quarterback 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.040 has just a sliver of time, just a little bit 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.640 above average of time back there, they're able to find 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.960 open receivers out there. And if we go back to 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.920 last week with the Chargers Herbert, if he was able 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.400 to make a couple of those throws, I mean we 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.360 may be having a different conversation right there. So to me, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.720 I think the injuries have played a big part in it. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.840 When you talk about the defense as a whole, that 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.160 secondary they're opportunistic, but you can still get them a 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.360 little bit. And if that pass rush is not elite 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.560 every single down, they have a chance to give up 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.960 some big plays out there. So to me, you know, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.160 my confidence waivered just a little bit. Defensively, I still 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:54.839 think they're doing big things out there. They're still doing 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.480 good things as far as as a whole. You know, 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.560 the defensive line winning their one on ones, because you 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.160 know Parsons is going to get all the attention and 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.439 he's gonna get double team, triple team. And I think 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.520 guys like Odiggie Zoo. I think guys like de Marcus Lawrence, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.400 even though he's not having these sack numbers, I think 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.080 he's still unbelievable in the run. I think he's still 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.480 a dominant run defender. So those guys win in their 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.320 one on ones. That's a bright spot. But what also 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.720 kind of worries me a little bit is that injury 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.000 with Van Deeresh in the second level. And even though 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.720 Marquis Bell had a great game against the Chargers, that 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.080 Chargers offense is more of a finesse offense, and when 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.760 you're going against guys like the Philadelphia Eagles who can 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.440 pound it down your throat. If you go against the 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.080 forty nine ers once again, even Detroit. You know Detroit 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.200 got you know, Molly wopped this past Sunday. But they're 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.320 a physical offense and Montgomery's gonna come back healthy. So 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.000 when you go on against teams like that, I still 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.920 kind of want Vanderesh in that lineup and he'll be 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.000 back eventually. But Marquis Bell, even though he had that 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.000 great game, it still kind of worries me him on 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.439 that second level because I feel like if you can 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.840 get to him up there by blocker getting to the 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.079 second level, they can easily kind of displace him. He's 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.360 using to speak good, he's using his quickness good. But 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.640 I don't know if if an offense sticks with the 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.160 ground game each and every each and every down, I 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.800 think you can wear that defense down. But overall, I 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.640 started out as a nine eight, I'm going down to 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.679 about a seven six and a half right now, So 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.959 it's wave it a little bit, but still above Average's 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.679 still above AVIAG. I still don't think they could believe 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.560 be above average, but just not historically great defense. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:17.520 What's your next question? 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.880 Because he hit it all yeah, all the way down. No, No, no, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.040 he covered it all and rightfully. So I think that Barry, 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.760 you know, has a really good understanding about what it 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.080 takes to play really good defense in this league. And 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.200 I think that we were all the injuries have now 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:33.680 weakened this defense. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.280 You know, you're gonna miss. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.600 Vander esh We'll see how the linebacker corps plays from that. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.200 There was some questions about them going in. Losing Digs 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.319 really kills you because playing Bland in the slot and 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.720 having Digs on the outside Gilmour on the other side, 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.600 I think that you know, you have a pretty good 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:50.600 combination there. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.280 The pass rush is what it can be. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.960 Uh, But yeah, I just think the injuries have really 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.640 hurt this defense to the point where it's a good defense. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.120 I don't think it's a great defense, but you've got 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.599 to find a way to make teams very one dimensional 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.600 because the strength of it is going to be your 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.400 pass rush, and you got to get guys home because 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.199 if you don't get guys home like you saw the 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.440 other night, you know, there were some plays to be 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.840 made against his Cowboys secondary. And I think there's the 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.720 thing with Gilmore. I think that we're seeing some slippage 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.360 there and I'm only saying slippage in a way of 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.800 the skill of his ability to run. And I do 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.560 worry about teams watching your tape and saying, carry him inside. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.600 Let's see if he can chase, Let's see if he. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.240 Can run down guys. And you know that's gonna be 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.840 a problem. Bland's done a nice job, Jordan at the nickel. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:39.880 You know there's some there's some going to be some 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.760 issues there. He's he's very much a kind of a 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.320 sixty forty player, you know, sixty good, forty bad, And 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.720 you know you got to find a way to to 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.480 kind of maybe, Matt, I think you've got to mask 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.400 a couple of things in the secondary now. The safety 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.120 play hasn't been great here and that, and I think 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.679 that's really those are the things that keep you from 0:11:58.760 --> 0:11:59.520 being elite. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.199 How do you because they're undersized a linebacker you both 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.880 talked about the linebacker, Vander espn out, how do you 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.840 make up for that maskt as you said earlier, because 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.520 DeMont Clark seems like you're only true physically linebacker and 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.160 you've got a bunch of small guys like you can 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:17.280 get to that second level. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.280 And you're in trouble. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.040 Well, how do you cover that? 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.719 Yeah, I'm interested to see what they do with the 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.720 new additions with you know, with Evans, with Shawn Evans, 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.520 and and and and how. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:29.080 Does he fit? 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:30.200 Uh? 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.559 You know, Michael Jones, Michel Jones, you know, I mean, 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.480 these are a couple of practice squad guys. Do they 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.960 make a move at the trade deadline that's coming up 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.320 October thirty first? 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.520 And you know, so everybody's like, well, who would you 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.760 go get? Who would you know? I don't know. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.839 I mean I'm talking to my guys around the league, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.200 and you know, they're giving me names and stuff, but 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.679 like they're guys should go poach off a practice squad. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.280 There's nobody out there on the street. Would you trade 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.280 for somebody? Nobody's really talking about any guys you would 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.439 trade for. Nobody's putting anybody out there right now. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:02.959 We'll see. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.840 They might just address this through what they've done on 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.280 the practice squad, you know, to try and help. Because 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.920 Barry makes another great point is, you know, if you 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.960 put those safeties down in the box, Curse and Bell 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.920 and those guys, even Wilson, if you get blockers up 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.720 on them, Burry will tell you again, if you can't. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.400 You're fighting three hundred and ten pound guys and you're 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.080 trying to find the ball and you're you're moving, and 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.520 if you just read it a tick late, you're there 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:30.880 on you. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.400 If you know, that's the great thing about the the. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.880 Layton vander Ushers and the Sean Lee's and any great linebacker, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.880 their ability to know formation balls going that way gone. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.840 You know, they'd stay a step ahead. And you know, 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.040 you got, like I say, you've got Demoon Clark who's 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.000 trying to kind of find his way, and if he's 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.760 a tick late, they're up on him, or Bell, they're 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.640 up on him. Or you know, Bell made a great 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.000 play the night just reading it and going, you know, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:56.920 attacking the hole. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.280 But you're gonna need a lot more of that for 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:00.000 this defense. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.400 As a safety, if you're in that box, your first 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.280 instinct when you see a three hundred pound guy coming 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.120 at you, let me avoid him. And it's tough when 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.079 you're in that trenches like that. If you avoid a 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:14.920 gat away, you're just opening up another home. It's tough 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.800 when you got undersized guys like that man. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.160 So we got a chance to talk to Scott McCurley, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.160 the Linebackers coach right before everybody kind of went on 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.280 the break last week, and one of the things was 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.200 that was asked was how do you feel like Bell 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.080 has progressed? Because it is he was a safety. He 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.880 was a safety that was brought in thought hey, maybe 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:34.480 we could throw him in linebacker, and he showed some 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.200 good things and I think his most recent game against 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:38.560 the Chargers, when you go back and you look at 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.160 the film, it was his best game. But it doesn't 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.000 mean it was a perfect game. There was a lot 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.080 of stuff that where he was out of position. There 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.960 was one where he was beat on coverage, got completely 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.320 turned around and almost looked lost. But then there were 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.320 other times where he was shooting a gap, he was 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.280 reading the formation and which which way it was going, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.280 and he was able to get back behind the line 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.760 of scrimmage. How tough of a transition is is that, though, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.520 from safety to really a linebacker role, because we hear 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.720 about this safety linebacker hybrid, and there's a hybrid position, 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.280 but I mean there's two distinct roles that Bell is 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.280 having to kind of come in and Phil. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.680 Yeah, it's extremely tough when you're at a safety, even 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.680 if you're not a box safety like that when you're 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.240 coming down. There's so much you gotta read in that box, 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.440 especially going against a team like the forty nine ers. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.040 I'll show you I candy left and right. When you're 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.400 in that box, you're not only you know, looking at 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.600 the formation, but you're reading. Let me see if this 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:34.160 offensive guard pools, my gap responsibility goes from let's just 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.120 say he pulled from the A gap on the right side, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.640 so now you got to do the A gap on 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.640 the left side. You got to follow these things and 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.840 track these things. And it's extremely hard to do just 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.600 on a whim like that. And I understand he's had 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.280 training camp, he's had a couple weeks to get acclimated 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.360 with it, but we can't expect this guy to be, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.360 you know, a Sean Lee out there where he's just 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.920 oh man bang, it's thinkful like that. He's gonna have 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.000 to grow and especially being undersized, you're gonna have to 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.280 make those decisions even quicker because you got to beat 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.520 these offensive linemen too. The next hole to be able 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.200 to beat these guys, and it's just tough at that 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.720 second level because he's also not only is he gonna 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.080 have to you know, shark downhill and getting those gaps. 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.040 But there's some instances where you gotta set the edge, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.840 Like there's a point guard coming around and he has 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.600 to match that guard and pull two hundred and ten 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.880 going against three ten. I mean, you're gonna get displaced 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:18.800 and it's gonna be hard to move around that guy 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.880 when you got to set the edge, Like, the edge 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.440 has to be set. So there's some things that he's 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.240 that he's gonna be limited with just because of the 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.600 size in that second level. And that's the thing that 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.720 dan Quinn's gonna have to, Uh, he's gonna have to 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.280 mad scientists and cook something up. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:31.640 Yeah. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.120 The thing about it is when you get a team 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.960 like say the forty nine ers, who don't they don't 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:37.800 combo block. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.320 They just they go straight up. They just they don't. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.920 I mean, they're like they trust their guys to win 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:43.680 one on one. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:44.760 Like a lot of teams. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.640 You'll see though combo they'll get hip to hip and 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.960 they'll push that down lineman to the linebacker and make 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.400 the linebacker have to run the hump, you know, to 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:53.320 get to the play. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:54.760 And then you're running the hump. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.520 Well, it's already four down, four yards down field when 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.640 contact is being made. So to me, it's a lot 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.320 on that defensive line too to try and find a 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:09.080 way to hold up these guys, because if these tackles 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.560 and guards know that they could just go straight up 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.680 field and not have to worry about a down lineman, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:20.000 then then those safety linebacker guys are are in a 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:20.560 lot of hurt. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:26.000 Well, there's a number of things I think that Bell's 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.439 gonna have to get better at. Yeah, Nay Thomas whenever 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.600 he's back in clarkn't have to get better at Clark specifically. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.920 I mean, it's a huge hole left by Layton Vandersch, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.200 no doubt about it. Huge hole, and those injuries have 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.040 piled up on the defensive side. But I do want 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.120 to take our first break when we come back. Can 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.920