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Speaker 3: We are here inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios as the

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Speaker 3: bye week is now in the rearview mirror. The Cowboys

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Speaker 3: get ready to face the Los Angeles Rams in Week

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Speaker 3: eight of the NFL season. Well rested, right, guys, right,

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Speaker 3: because this is, uh, this is a bye week. Right,

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Speaker 3: You're supposed to be like chilling, supposed supposed to be

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Speaker 3: supposed to be relaxing, not traveling or getting super I

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Speaker 3: don't want to do that, but anything like that. It's

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Speaker 3: a young team, though, it is a young team. As

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Speaker 3: long as they stay out of the news. As Nate say,

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Speaker 3: that's the number one thing Nate Newton said. I said,

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Speaker 3: what's the key to a successful bye week? He said,

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Speaker 3: stay out of the news. That's actual. That's so far,

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Speaker 3: that's the case. So that's good for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: We're back here with a shuffled podcast crew on Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: We have Brian brought us from Cowboys Break and one

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Speaker 3: oh five three the Fan. We've got Kurt Daniels from

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Speaker 3: Hanging with the Boys and the DC Star magazine. And

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Speaker 3: then we've also got Buried, Yes, Sir, former Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: and he's heard on the Players Lounge special edition pregame

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Speaker 3: and postgame coverage for the Dallas Cowboys. Gentlemen, how we doing, Brian,

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Speaker 3: You're rocking your Rangers?

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Speaker 4: Shit?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, ready to go?

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Speaker 2: Uh was at the game Friday, and I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: remember sporting events in Dallas and growing up in Dallas

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Speaker 2: of just all time gut wrenchers. I was there for

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Speaker 2: the White Clark catch in the NFC Championship game way

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Speaker 2: back in the day. Tony Romo's drop snap in Seattle

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Speaker 2: in a playoff game was a gut wrencher. Does Bryant's

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Speaker 2: standing right there?

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Speaker 6: Catch? No catch?

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Speaker 2: That was a gut wrenching play right there for a

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Speaker 2: really good football And then when I'll two v hit

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Speaker 2: that I was learning the press box, and we all

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Speaker 2: know because we've been in the press box. Our life

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Speaker 2: is in the press box, and you can't cheer. And

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Speaker 2: literally it was as quiet. I mean, you could see

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Speaker 2: the Astro riders all just kind of the and the

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Speaker 2: Ranger riders were all just like not again.

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Speaker 6: So it's been a roller coaster ride.

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Speaker 2: But the great thing about this the Cowboys and the

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Speaker 2: Stars and the MAVs Rangers, they all support each other.

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott was at the game dressed up, he had

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of that crossover between the two. But man,

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Speaker 2: I was trying to think of those the all time

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Speaker 2: gut wrenching DFW sports moments, and a few of them

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Speaker 2: came up Cowboys, which was which is never a good thing.

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Speaker 3: I think it always it starts with the Cowboys, at

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Speaker 3: least in my mind and being in DFW, But man,

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Speaker 3: the Rangers have had some gut wrenchers too.

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Speaker 2: That was a great one yesterday. It was a great

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Speaker 2: But man, you think about if you find out if

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Speaker 2: you find a way to win that game Friday and

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Speaker 2: then EVOLDI pitching today or last nast night, last night,

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Speaker 2: you have a chance to close those guys out. And

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Speaker 2: that's that's the that's the beauty of sports right there.

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Speaker 3: Though he got in game seven to nine, Max Schures

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Speaker 7: Two strikes twice, So that's yeah, back in eleven, that

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Speaker 7: was a good pun That hurts.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not a baseball guy by any stretch of

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Speaker 3: But so they are like who is out to Bay.

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Speaker 4: As far as like a football reference like put put

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Speaker 3: I'll do that.

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Speaker 6: Pick pick somebody that you absolutely despise.

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Speaker 2: From the Philadelphia Eagles, I'll tell you what if the

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Speaker 2: Rangers are fortunate, And again I get buddies with the Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 2: And the great thing about working with the Cowboys is

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Speaker 2: So the way I trade my information with them about

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Speaker 6: About major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, just if somehow the Phillies get through the world,

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Speaker 2: that is going to be wild if it's the Rangers

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Speaker 3: I want to see if it lines up. But the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys play the Eagles. What week they played the Eagles

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Speaker 3: after after the Rams game? November fifth? Week nine? So

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Speaker 3: during the World Series, right, the Eagles and the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: We had that one time here we had the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals played across the street when they played the Rams.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was the game that DeMarco Murray had

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Speaker 2: incredible rushing day for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: And so congratulations Tony Pollard, You're gonna have a hell

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take it, though.

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Speaker 3: It would be interesting. Good luck to the Rangers tonight.

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Speaker 3: Of course, You've got our support and man, hopefully they

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Speaker 3: can they can pull that out. Yeah, that's an interesting

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Speaker 3: comp though. I mean where Jose Altuve little undersized for

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Speaker 3: lot of things really well. My first thought was was

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Speaker 3: Complete game changer, clutch player, somebody who's just an unbelievable

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking on hate sports hate, oh sports hate, Yeah, because.

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Speaker 6: TV to me, no, he's from him.

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Speaker 2: Huge out huge, you know. But he has a history

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Speaker 2: And I just think because l TV has been he

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Speaker 2: so we'll do football.

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Speaker 3: We got one.

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Speaker 2: I got five hours, four and a half hours of radio.

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Speaker 3: The h G from Jersey says out two days equivalent

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Speaker 3: for him is Aaron Rodgers always gets.

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Speaker 6: Here you go. That is that is that from Jerseys.

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Speaker 4: I've been a part of those Aaron Rodgers Daggers man, that.

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Speaker 6: One up, buddy, that's the right one.

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Speaker 3: On uh not Friday. On Wednesday, we had a chance

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Speaker 3: I want to switch the conversation to the defensive side

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Speaker 3: of the football today. Starting with the confidence meter, we

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Speaker 4: It's waver just a little bit. If we're going all

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Speaker 4: the reports I've read out there, and those guys were

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Speaker 4: just destroying this offense, I'm in my head thinking there's

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Speaker 4: I mean, you got the pass rush, you got the secondary,

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Speaker 4: This defense is gonna be historic. You know. Then the

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Speaker 4: This is it because New York Giants, they were a

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Speaker 4: And then a couple of injuries happened right there, and

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Speaker 4: I think the injuries have played a big part in it.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're gonna miss.

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Speaker 6: The pass rush is what it can be.

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Speaker 6: Let's see if he can chase, Let's see if he.

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Speaker 3: Well, how do you cover that?

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Speaker 6: Does he fit?

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Speaker 2: You know, Michael Jones, Michel Jones, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 6: And you know, so everybody's like, well, who would you

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Speaker 2: There's nobody out there on the street. Would you trade

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Speaker 6: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: They might just address this through what they've done on

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Speaker 2: Barry makes another great point is, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: You're fighting three hundred and ten pound guys and you're

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Speaker 2: if you just read it a tick late, you're there

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Speaker 2: You know, they'd stay a step ahead. And you know,

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Speaker 4: As a safety, if you're in that box, your first

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Speaker 3: So we got a chance to talk to Scott McCurley,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They just they go straight up. They just they don't.

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Speaker 6: Like a lot of teams.

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Speaker 2: You'll see though combo they'll get hip to hip and

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Speaker 6: And then you're running the hump.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's already four down, four yards down field when

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of things I think that Bell's

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Speaker 3: of the Dallas Cowboys. Back here with Barry Church, Kurt Daniels,

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Speaker 3: Brian brought us Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle

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Speaker 3: Yeomans talking through this Cowboys defense, Kurt Win. It looked

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Speaker 3: like initially early in the season, and I put this

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Speaker 3: out there on our shows whenever it happened. Trayvon Diggs

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Speaker 3: going down was robbing not only Cowboys fans but the

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Speaker 3: NFL of a possibly historic defense. That's what it looked

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Speaker 3: like at the time, because they had just gone through

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Speaker 3: those two games, they had really been working in the

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Speaker 3: right direction. Felt like, okay, this defense can be special.

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Speaker 3: But even without Trayvon Diggs They're still going to be

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Speaker 3: really really good, if maybe even great, but still not

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Speaker 3: as good as what they could have been without Trayvon Diggs.

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Speaker 3: In the fold, we just talked a lot about Layton

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Speaker 3: vander Esh with those two guys out, now, which one's

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Speaker 3: been the most impactful injury or is there another one

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Speaker 3: that stands out to you based off of Digs and

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Speaker 3: Leyton vander Esh and how this defense has to fill

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Speaker 3: the holes.

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Speaker 7: I think over these next few games it's going to

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Speaker 7: be Vandersh And just because that position is so thin,

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Speaker 7: there's not a lot of experience there. There's not a

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Speaker 7: lot of just linebackers like we talked about earlier. And

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Speaker 7: it's not just his his physical presence of being there.

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Speaker 7: But you guys will know better than I do, but

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Speaker 7: it feels like he just kind of keeps that defense

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Speaker 7: in check, like he settles it down.

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Speaker 3: He's kind of that leader in.

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Speaker 7: That way, and then he's able to make sure he's

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Speaker 7: in the right place and this and that, and so

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, I was obviously blusing Digs is

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Speaker 7: a big blow, but I felt like with Bland and

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Speaker 7: maybe Jordan and some of the young guys, you had

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Speaker 7: enough there. You weren't in dire straits. Now at vander

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Speaker 7: esh out, there's enough talent around him. But still I

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Speaker 7: think that's a that's a huge hole there that I wonder.

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Speaker 7: I'm interested to see how they feel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think about, you know, with with

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Speaker 2: vander esh You're right, Kurtis, the position was then to

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Speaker 2: begin with vander esh Really, I'm gonna you know, he

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Speaker 2: does so much he helps you in the running game.

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Speaker 6: You could put him in coverage.

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Speaker 2: You know. Clark played well the other day against the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: It was nice to see him step up. The New

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Speaker 2: England game was his best game before that.

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Speaker 6: But man, that injury to Digs, it just to me it.

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Speaker 2: You know, the one thing that you got to be

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Speaker 2: able to do is you got to be able to cover.

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Speaker 6: And if you could cover, that helps your pass rush,

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Speaker 6: you know, and and and.

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Speaker 2: I think there's been a little bit of some inconsistency

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Speaker 2: with the with the coverage since uh Digs been out.

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Speaker 6: So I mean the.

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Speaker 2: Pass rush, yeah, the pressures, but maybe if you can

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Speaker 2: hold it a tick longer en route, you know, or

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Speaker 2: keep a guy from getting up the field on you,

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Speaker 2: that gives that buys Parsons an opportunity, Fouler opportunity, Lawrence

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Speaker 2: an opportunity, Osa Diggi's what buys them an opportunity. I

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Speaker 2: think that digs injury is huge, and I think they

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Speaker 2: could play around vander Esh, but just the coverage aspect,

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Speaker 2: that's what teams are doing now throwing the football, and

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Speaker 2: they're finding ways to do it on the secondary.

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Speaker 6: A little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when we talk about these injuries, I think right now,

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Speaker 4: I think vander Esh is a huge injury right now,

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Speaker 4: But as far as the long picture is concerned, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna have to go with Digs on this one because

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Speaker 4: when you think about it, the teams that they're gonna

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Speaker 4: have to play the upper echelon teams or whatever you

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Speaker 4: want to call it. They not only have an offensive

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Speaker 4: line to match your defensive lines pressure, so they're always

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Speaker 4: gonna be you know, hound in the quarterback, but the

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Speaker 4: majority of them have that that double option a wide

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Speaker 4: receiver when you talk about explosive players, and before the

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Speaker 4: digs injury went down, you know you had faith in

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Speaker 4: Gilmour and Diggs and be able to match those two receivers.

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Speaker 4: So when I'm talking about them, talking about like Philly,

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Speaker 4: they got aj Brown and Deavonte Smith out there. Are

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Speaker 4: you gonna leave one of those corners back on an

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Speaker 4: island against you know, a J. Brown or Devonte Smith

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Speaker 4: kind of have your safety shading over there, or are

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Speaker 4: you gonna kind of have to play a two high

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Speaker 4: shell over both of those receivers, But then that leaves

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Speaker 4: you weaken in the run. So I think when you

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Speaker 4: had those two corners out there, you were able to

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Speaker 4: do a lot more with this defense, and dan Quinn

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Speaker 4: was able to be a lot more creative. You also

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Speaker 4: think about the forty nine ers. I you Deebo Samuel

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Speaker 4: out there. I mean Miami coming down the road. You

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Speaker 4: get Tyreek, Kiwaddle, Detroit Reynolds, Saint Brown. These these upper

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Speaker 4: echelon teams that you're gonna have to play to get

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Speaker 4: to that next level, have those double options and they

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Speaker 4: have the offensive line to kind of match your defensive

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Speaker 4: pass rush. So I think that digs injury long term

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Speaker 4: is going to be huge on this defense when you

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Speaker 4: talk about being able to match skill for skill out

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Speaker 4: there and not have to take away something from the

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Speaker 4: defense as far as aggressiveness to kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: match and help out those corners on the outside. So

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Speaker 4: I think over the period of time that Digg's injury

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Speaker 4: is going to be humongous.

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Speaker 6: I went back and real quick, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I went back and watched the Browns play the forty

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Speaker 2: nine Ers on tape. I was curious of how they matched,

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Speaker 2: how they matched up and barriers right they What was

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Speaker 2: really interesting. They very smart the too high shell. And

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Speaker 2: what they did though, is when brock Perry started too

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Speaker 2: high and then when the snap of the ball, they

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Speaker 2: drove a safety in the middle of the field as

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Speaker 2: a robber, and.

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Speaker 6: So they went they went.

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Speaker 2: So what they did was they played man underneath and

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Speaker 2: they went four man rush, but they took advantage of

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Speaker 2: Buford and mckivitt's.

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Speaker 6: On that right side.

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Speaker 2: Teams know the Browns were good enough to put pressure

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Speaker 2: at tackle and at edge, but the way they did

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Speaker 2: it they took They took the forty nine ers cross

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Speaker 2: game away with playing man underneath, playing man really all around,

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Speaker 2: and then driving that safety to the middle of the

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Speaker 2: field to take the crosser. And then they had somebody

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Speaker 2: back over the top. So they were they were they

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Speaker 2: were covered on every level of the defense, but they

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Speaker 2: were able to get.

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Speaker 6: The pressure home and then they gave pretty and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Dallas I don't think is equipped to play too deep,

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Speaker 2: not with not with Curse playing the other safety, you know,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes even Wilson, you know, his eyes get lost.

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Speaker 2: And but if you're going to play a too deep

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Speaker 2: and play with a robber in the middle of the field,

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Speaker 2: you know that that might be something going forward that

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Speaker 2: they kind of a little bit of a different look

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Speaker 2: that they give it. That's how the Browns got to

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Speaker 2: the got to the forty nine ers. They just didn't

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Speaker 2: allow him on these crossing routes. And that's the thing

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Speaker 2: that I'm worried about when it comes to Gilmore. I

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Speaker 2: said it earlier about our team's going to carry him

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Speaker 2: inside and make him chase anything vertical.

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Speaker 6: He's fine.

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Speaker 2: Anything across as a chase situation has been a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a struggle.

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Speaker 7: So is the I said that dig is obviously one

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Speaker 7: of the best in the game. Is Bland that big

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Speaker 7: of a drop off or is it more of a

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Speaker 7: domino effect because you're kicking out band.

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Speaker 3: And that's now your slot is.

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Speaker 6: That's where I that's where I think it is. I

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Speaker 6: think you're weak now.

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Speaker 2: At two spots, well, actually really weak at one spot

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Speaker 2: because Bland playing slot, to me is the best of

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Speaker 2: you know, you get three guys on the field that

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Speaker 2: can cover. Now, now, all of a sudden, you take

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Speaker 2: one of that, you take one of the best defenders

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Speaker 2: off the field, and you put Bland on the outside.

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Speaker 6: He's good. I think Bland's even better inside.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 6: And so now.

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Speaker 2: You're dealing with and you know that if you believe

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Speaker 2: in Pro Football Focus and all those people that grave

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Speaker 2: these players, the eye test will tell you Bland's had

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Speaker 2: some really nice games and some nice coverage. But man,

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Speaker 2: he's just so much better. I think it's it kills

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Speaker 2: him because Lewis has his moments, but not like Bland,

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Speaker 2: you know. And so now you got now you've got Diggs, Bland,

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Speaker 2: and Gilmore in the back end covering and that that

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Speaker 2: that's that's the best.

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Speaker 7: Of everything inside.

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Speaker 6: That's the question position strong.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying, because they can't They're not

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Speaker 2: going to play Jordan Lewis outside. And if you had

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Speaker 2: somebody else and not everybody has all these corners.

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Speaker 6: I mean mccuamu was a guy that we saw last.

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Speaker 2: Year late in the year, all of a sudden, they're

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Speaker 2: they're getting guys off the street to play corner in

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Speaker 2: these games, and all of a sudden, mcwamu's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're we're not going to do this anymore. We're not

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Speaker 2: going to play with these off the street guys. They

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Speaker 2: put mcwamuy out there and they actually played well, played well.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know if man to me is it's

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Speaker 2: just it's a struggle just because I love Jordan Lewis.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know, you know, if if that's the

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Speaker 2: all the time thing that I want to go with any.

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Speaker 4: Thoughts on right sliding on the outside, you get the length,

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Speaker 4: he's a little longer of a corner.

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Speaker 3: Coming back from injury. I think they're they're trying to

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Speaker 3: work him back into the fold. But even if that's

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Speaker 3: the case, is he gonna be better on the outside

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Speaker 3: than Bland would be on the outside, because at least

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Speaker 3: with Bland you have Jordan Lewis to rely back on

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Speaker 3: in this true right in that nickel position. The one

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Speaker 3: thing I'm looking at whenever it comes to the domino

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Speaker 3: effect you mentioned the domino effect of Trayvon Digg's injury

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Speaker 3: is not only is Bland better suited for the inside

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Speaker 3: in the nickel position. But Gilmour is better suited as

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Speaker 3: a cornerback too. Now he's been a corner one his

658
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Speaker 3: entire career, but they signed him to be a cornerback

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Speaker 3: two to not face the AJ Browns, to not face

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Speaker 3: those number one wide receivers. But now he has to again, Well,

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Speaker 3: they don't travel, but they don't always travel.

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Speaker 6: See that's I'm saying so to me. To me, I

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Speaker 6: don't look at football anymore as a one in a

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Speaker 6: two corner I don't.

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Speaker 2: I just think you have to find a way because

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Speaker 2: the way that teams formation you. And if you're not

667
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Speaker 2: gonna travel, you gotta play. You're gonna they're gonna gonna play.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna play.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're gonna. They're gonna They're gonna find a way.

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Speaker 2: They're like, Okay, we don't think he's better than this guy.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna line him up over here. That's what these

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Speaker 6: teams do.

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Speaker 2: They'll scheme you to a point where all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: like we've seen guys with, they'll bump a guy. They'll

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Speaker 2: bring a guy in motion, bump a guy out, and

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Speaker 2: they'll bump. They'll put a linebacker on Christian McCaffery, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, wait a minute, he had a corner

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Speaker 2: on him earlier here. Now he's bumped him out because

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Speaker 2: of the motion. And so they'll match you up. If

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Speaker 2: they don't feel like that you can that you can cover,

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Speaker 2: they will find ways. So I don't look at it

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Speaker 2: as a one into two. I just think I think

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Speaker 2: both the guys have to be more than suitable.

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Speaker 3: But you also look at it from a totality standpoint

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Speaker 3: of the of the secondary in the cornerback room, because

686
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Speaker 3: if Bland's on the outside, you feel pretty good about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you feel good about what Bland is. He might be

688
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Speaker 3: your best corner. Maybe he might agree. And if if

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Speaker 3: that's the case, then you put him back inside. Your

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Speaker 3: drop off from the outside from Bland is then either

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Speaker 3: nay Sean Wright, Noah Iggbonogany, or somebody else. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean that's just kind of what it is. There's a

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Speaker 3: significant drop off, whereas if you take Bland out of

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695
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Speaker 3: which is not nearly as significant of a drop off.

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Speaker 3: So that's why they're putting him on the outside. That's

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Speaker 3: why they're playing him out there because one, whether or

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Speaker 3: not they travel Gilmore, He's gonna face a number one

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Speaker 3: or a number two wide receiver on the boundary. Bland

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Speaker 3: is going to face a number one or number two

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Speaker 3: receiver on the boundary. Jordan Lewis has just got to

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Speaker 3: play better. I mean, and I'm not saying he's played poorly.

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Speaker 2: There's times when he's been fine. I just have we

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Speaker 3: You can, I mean throw Brandon Ayuk in that conversation,

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Speaker 3: but incredible.

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Speaker 6: But are you killed him on the out outside? It was?

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Speaker 3: I mean, but you have three guys there.

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Speaker 4: You see.

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Speaker 6: I'm interested.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in watching the Rams this week and seeing

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Speaker 2: what they're doing.

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Speaker 6: What they're gonna do. Who are Yeah, yeah, Cooper, he's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna be everywhere. Yopau's gonna be slot outside bound, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter Nicula. I mean that's an headed monster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah see, I'm interested to see how teams tried to

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Speaker 2: match up against them that way, because those guys have

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Speaker 2: been making well. I know that Cooper Cups coming back

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Speaker 3: He really yeah, he's been fantastic. Speaking of rookie impact,

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Speaker 3: when we come back, let's talk about this draft class.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of these rookies maybe filling these

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Speaker 3: What time are you are you going to the ballpark tonight?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 3: Houston, Houston.

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Speaker 6: The fandom, I'll let.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I was in the I was

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Speaker 2: in the stands the last time for heartbreak.

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Speaker 6: I mean, let's just say that that l twov too.

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Speaker 6: He took my soul hour man, he really did.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready to get my heart broken again tonight. It's

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Speaker 6: Don't say that that's not knocking confidence.

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Speaker 3: I actually do have confidence. I think Sures are about

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Speaker 6: I hope so great.

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Speaker 3: I hope so uh. But yeah, let's talk about this

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Speaker 3: rookie class for the Dallas Cowboys, shall we. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 3: talked about the offense, talked about the defense, the overarching

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Speaker 3: theme of this team. Now let's run down the draft picks.

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Speaker 3: We'll start with, of course, the first rounder Mozzie Smith. Kurt.

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Speaker 3: When you look at Mozzie Smith, has he done enough

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Speaker 3: to reach your expectations for the first six games of

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Speaker 3: the year.

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Speaker 7: Oh no, not. I don't think anybody thinks he's reached

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Speaker 7: the expectations that you'd want from a number one pick,

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Speaker 7: just as far as the impact he would have. I'm choosing.

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Speaker 7: I'm choosing two things. One is that the Cowboys have

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Speaker 7: some depth so they don't have to rush them in.

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Speaker 4: Two, I'm just.

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Speaker 7: Hale Will McLay and his staff, and I'm putting my

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Speaker 7: trust that they, you know, and they're obviously one of

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Speaker 7: the best in the league, and that they know what

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Speaker 7: they're doing.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what. I have no idea so they

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Speaker 7: but they've proven to be uh guruz at this before

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Speaker 7: and I'm just I'm putting my trust in them.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Brian? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean the thing if you're one of those guys

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Speaker 2: and gals that watches all twenty two, and I encourage you,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you can, if you can afford to

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Speaker 2: do it and go to the NFL dot Com and

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Speaker 2: get your the package. You don't have to be a

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Speaker 2: former scout or ball player, right and you don't have

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00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: to be You could see it with your own eyes,

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Speaker 2: you know, you could just sit there and focus on

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Speaker 2: number fifty eight. Did he have problems getting off the snap? Initially?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely he did. Was he laid a bunch. Yes he was.

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Speaker 2: Has he gotten better he has. Yes, he's gotten better

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Speaker 2: getting off the ball, He's gotten better playing with his hands.

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00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: His base is better. The numbers don't say all that.

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Speaker 2: But if you really sit down and just say, today,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch Mozzie Smith play football, and you know

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00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: he gets like fifteen eighteen snaps a game right now,

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Speaker 2: and those there's probably four or five of them, you go, okay,

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Speaker 2: little late there, got turned, got knocked out of the

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Speaker 2: hole and all. But then the other fourteen or fifteen

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Speaker 2: You're like, okay, got off the ball, disruptive, held up,

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Speaker 2: the guy did a good job with osa. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sitting here and carrying water for the Dallas Cowboys drafting

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00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: department or the scouting department at all, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say this guy is not a bust.

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Speaker 6: He is not now.

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Speaker 2: I love Luke Schoonmaker. Luke Skingmaker was my guy. Luke

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00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Skinmaker is struggling right now. I mean, and he's struggling

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Speaker 2: catching the football. He's struggling with some of the point

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Speaker 2: of attack blocking as us all the tight ends here.

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Speaker 2: So to me, those first two picks and then overshown

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00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: gets hurt. We were just talking about it during the

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Speaker 2: break among ourselves what Overshown's role would have been. So

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Speaker 2: this thing would have looked a lot different if you

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Speaker 2: would have had maybe Overshown in the mix. But don't

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Speaker 2: throw dirt on Mazie Smith right now, love it. Just

856
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: don't throw dirt on him. And I encourage you, if

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Speaker 2: you can afford to watch the All twenty two, go

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Speaker 2: get it and just and just take a peek and

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Speaker 2: get the end zone part of it and just kind

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00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: of look, oh, look there's fifty eight boom. Watching him play,

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00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: you'll have a better understanding of what he is.

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Speaker 7: But as a number one picks.

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Speaker 2: It's been yeah, it's it's not been Yeah, it's no,

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Speaker 2: it's not it's it's not it's not the impact of

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Speaker 2: you know, of some of the other number one picks

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Speaker 2: around the league. You know, it's not just looking at

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Speaker 2: names like a Will Anderson into what you know, what he's,

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Speaker 2: what he's been able to do. I mean, there's there's

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Speaker 2: plenty of guys in this draft that, you know, the

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Speaker 2: first round picks, that are playing at a much higher level.

871
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: I just don't like I say, I I think the

872
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: position he plays, if he was an under tackle or

873
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: a three technique and not a nose. You know, noses

874
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: are different than what you know, those guys that get

875
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: on the outside shoulder and run up the field and

876
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: they're disruptive and all that. Would I like Mazzi to

877
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: make more tackles behind the line when he gets in there,

878
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: and play a little bit more power, Sure, absolutely I would.

879
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: But I think that the position he plays limits really

880
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: the numbers that you're gonna see.

881
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 6: And you know, I would like him to be a

882
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 6: little bit better and some some snaps. Sure, absolutely.

883
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

884
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: When we talk about Bozzi, uh, you know, was he

885
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: getting thrown out of the club early? No preseason all

886
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: that stuff? Of course, I mean no, no white teas

887
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: at all. He was getting tossed around, especially in a

888
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: Seattle preseason game. But like Brown was saying, I mean,

889
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: he's shown improvement. You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't call him,

890
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 4: you know, tackle Charlton's just yet, all right, this guy

891
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 4: he's shown improvement. And what people got to realize is,

892
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: you know, he wasn't brought in here to be you

893
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: know an Aaron Donald, a guy that's gonna just go

894
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: a field, disrupt everything. Penetration early on. I think what

895
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 4: he was brought here to do is pretty much solidify

896
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: that interior, which means at the point of attack, if

897
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: you're getting double team, stand your ground right there. Don't

898
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: let that combo block work up to the next level

899
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 4: to the linebackers. I think he was brought here to

900
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: be a space eater and and you love to see

901
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: him get a little bit better at and kind of

902
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: pushing that pushing the off the line back a little

903
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: bit more. But he's getting better. I feel like that

904
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 4: Chargers game, he was doing a pretty good genat of

905
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: holding the point of attack and you know, shedding here

906
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 4: and there and not letting those guys get up to

907
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 4: the next level. And that's why we were able to

908
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 4: see a Bell and Clark, you know, kind of go

909
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: sideline the sideline and do their things. So you know,

910
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 4: he's far from a bus and he's showing improvement each

911
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: and every week out there. But to me, I just

912
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: would have loved to see Over shown out there just

913
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: so far this season. I mean, that guy had so

914
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 4: much promise in the in the preseason. The way he

915
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: was able to move out there, I just feel like

916
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: he could have been an unbelievable chess piece for Dan Quinn.

917
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: But so far this year, when you look at this

918
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: draft class, I think we've been spoiled a lot, you know,

919
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: from the past with the Cowboys as far as getting

920
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: first round picks and them having this immediate impact. I say,

921
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 4: just give a little bit of time for Ozzie Smith,

922
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: and I think you'll see improvement each and every week.

923
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 3: Look at every first round pick since twenty eighteen. Wayte

924
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: Vander Rush immediate impay, Cede Lamb immediate impact, Michael Parson's boom,

925
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith boom. Mozzi Smith is the first one since

926
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: Taco Charlton then has not had it. We'll see immediate,

927
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 3: but we're six games in. Yeah, he'll have a battle

928
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: rookie season.

929
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: I think people I think people are seeing maybe what

930
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter's doing with Philadelphia with the Eagles.

931
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 6: You know that Jalen.

932
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: Carter on a lot of boards was like the first

933
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: overall pick as the thought of people when you talk

934
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: about Jalen Carter, you watch Jalen Carter tape and Mozzie

935
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: Smith tape for Michigan, it was a clear difference. But

936
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: I think people are kind of expecting that, like, well,

937
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: look what they got out of their big guy. Why

938
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: can't our big guy not you know, why can't our

939
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: big guy not have three and a half socks and

940
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: stuff like that? But you know, that's it's kind of

941
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: a different player. But that's that's kind of how you

942
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: view it in the lens. But I encourage people if

943
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: you can watch it, go watch it.

944
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 6: You'll learn a little bit.

945
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: So with with that being said, he's he's shown some improvement.

946
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: I want to do some second half superlatives. And I

947
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: know it's not the second half of the schedule, but

948
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 3: it's post bye week, so it's.

949
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 6: The second half.

950
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: It feels like the second half. Uh, predictions for this

951
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: most improved player? Who would you think would be the

952
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: most improved player on this Cowboys roster? Kurt, I'll start with.

953
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 7: You, Well, it's probably the low hanging fruit. But and

954
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 7: this implies that he hasn't been good in some ways.

955
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 7: But I think he's just kept progressing. That's OsO. I mean,

956
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 7: he's really stepped up his game even more this year.

957
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 7: He's been good at first two this season. I think

958
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 7: you're the third. You're really seeing him come along now.

959
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 7: He's been a maybe perhaps because Malesi's learning curve here.

960
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 7: He's really stepped up and held down a lot of

961
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 7: that interior thing.

962
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: It's been awesome.

963
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 4: Arry, I'm gonna have to go even though he you know,

964
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 4: he's strull a little bit early on, had a great

965
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: game last week. I'm gonna have to go with Bell

966
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 4: on this one. As far as improvement. You've seen a

967
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: switch his position from safety to linebacker, and they kind

968
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 4: of threw him into the fire. And the first couple

969
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: of weeks practice whatever you want to call it.

970
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: He didn't.

971
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: He kind of seemed lost out there a little bit.

972
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 4: And as the weeks go on and as he's getting

973
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: more comfortable at that linebacker position, you see he's starting

974
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 4: to make plays, you know, whether it's shooting gaps or

975
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: covering guys like Austin Eckler. I mean, because he pretty

976
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 4: much made Eckler, you know, a non factor in that

977
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: game against the Chargers. I mean, he was pretty much

978
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: on him from a coverage standpoint. So I'm saying he's improving,

979
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 4: and I'm and I'm seeing a lot from Marquise Bell,

980
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: and I like what I see so far.

981
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: I think Turpin is a guy that I'd like to

982
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: see him get more involved in in some of the

983
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: offensive snaps. You know, the guy has actually shown the ability.

984
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: They brought him emotion one time and he jumped up

985
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: in wheen of the longest runs they had in the

986
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: game the other night, Like I think it was a

987
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: seven yard room, maybe a little bit longer, but he's

988
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: like he goes, he comes in motion and then jumps

989
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: inside and is able to get a block and it.

990
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 6: Gets the back. It's like second level through.

991
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: And then now you know they're running with a little

992
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: bit more of some space. But when they hand him

993
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: the ball, throw him the ball he blocking. He seems

994
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: like me to a guy that he played a lot

995
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: of football last year because of the USFL, and then

996
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: he came in and you know they were trying to

997
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: kind of you know, I mean, there was thirty some

998
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: odd games. I think the guy played was kind of crazy.

999
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: Maybe long and wrong about that, but he seems like

1000
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: a guy that I would try to get more involved

1001
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: in the offense him Cooks, try and get them a

1002
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: little bit more involved in with that burst in that

1003
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: speed and take.

1004
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 6: Advantage of it.

1005
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: I think I would throw Jalen Tolbert into the fold too,

1006
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 3: just at that wide receiver position. I think more it's

1007
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: maybe not because he's playing just out of his mind.

1008
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: It's because of where he came from. Sure came from

1009
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: last year and he was in a bad place from

1010
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: a football standpoint. He was in a dark place with

1011
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: the coaching staff, with the front office. I mean, nobody

1012
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: was really happy with Jalen Tolbert. And it's that he's

1013
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: worked his way onto the roster. He's showing a willingness

1014
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 3: on special teams. I know he's coming off of the

1015
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 3: play against the Chargers. I thought he was just trying

1016
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: to make a play. Yeah, oh he got got blown up,

1017
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: trust me. And he's filling in first a good one

1018
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: in that situation. There are times like that where it

1019
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: didn't go well for Jalen Tolbert. But he's shown a

1020
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: willingness to play on special teams. He's shown ability to

1021
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: make an impact from an offensive standpoints. I'm gonna say

1022
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 3: most improved Jalen Tolbert. Now, this one's for the first

1023
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: six games and the rest of the season. When the

1024
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: season is said and done, Barry Church, who will be

1025
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys Most Valuable Player MVP? Here's the guy.

1026
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: That'll be the MVP.

1027
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: So this is more of a prediction as opposed to

1028
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: a review.

1029
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: If the season goes how I believe it will go,

1030
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 4: which this team will get to the playoffs and hopefully

1031
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: make a run. I'm saying this, this MVP has it's

1032
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: got to be Prescott. I think it's got to be

1033
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: him if this team is going to make a run.

1034
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: We understand what this defense brings is to strengthen his

1035
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: team so far, and I think they'll always give you

1036
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: an opportunity to win ball games. And I think it's

1037
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: going to come down to can that quarterback make the

1038
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: plays out there? And we saw last week he has

1039
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 4: the ability. He has the ability to put this team

1040
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: on his shoulders and make plays out there offscript, on script.

1041
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: He has that ability. It just comes down to the

1042
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 4: decision making and if the play's not there, don't compound

1043
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: the issue about trying to force something in there, throw

1044
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: the check down, use your legs. And we saw a

1045
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 4: little bit of that last week. So if this team's

1046
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: going to go where I believe they can, I think

1047
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott has got to be the MVP.

1048
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, I agree.

1049
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously Michaeh. Parsons is gonna make a case

1050
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 7: for but I mean the ball is in Dak's hands

1051
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 7: every snap where Mike's not even on the field on

1052
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 7: some plays. So I think in the end, this team

1053
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 7: is going to roll how Dak rolls.

1054
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: So if the ball is in Michael Parson's hands.

1055
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: The other way, it's got to be Tony Pollard because

1056
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: this cowboy running game is non existent right now, That's true,

1057
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: And the second half they've got to figure it out,

1058
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: whether it's what's going on with the five guys. We

1059
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: had Stephen Jones on one O five three the fans

1060
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: on last Friday. We talked about annuity. We talked about

1061
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: this group, this offensive line, the five guys that play together.

1062
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: Now a couple of weeks. You know, you really didn't

1063
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: have any opportunity to practice this week. So the second

1064
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: half of the season, you know, you're gonna have to

1065
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: kind of figure some things out with this offensive line.

1066
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: I know, the first three games, the Rams, the Eagles,

1067
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: the Giants, and then you get the Commanders, you know,

1068
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: with you know, with their inside guys, you've got to

1069
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: figure out ways.

1070
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 6: To block fronts. You've got to be able to run

1071
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 6: the ball.

1072
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: To take pressure off Dak Prescott. You know, you've got

1073
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: to try and be more balanced. I think that's what

1074
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: McCarthy wants to do. But it's going to have to

1075
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: start with it up front. But anytime that Tony Pollard

1076
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: has the ball in his hands, it can't be a

1077
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: plus two or plus three. It's got to be plus four,

1078
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: plus five, maybe some bigger.

1079
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 6: Runs than that if they're going to have any success.

1080
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 7: But is that a Pollard issue?

1081
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 6: Is that an offensive line it's an offensive line issue.

1082
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: But they're going to need Pollard though, if they do

1083
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: figure things out to be the guy that's going to

1084
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: carry the mail for them in this thing, they're going

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Speaker 2: to have, you know, even throw him the ball, you know,

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Speaker 2: throwing the screens and stuff. If they can continue to

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Speaker 2: find I think putting the ball in his hands maybe

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Tony Pollard might not be completely he

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Speaker 2: might be healthy, but I don't know if he's got

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Speaker 2: that burst that he once had. But if this team

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Speaker 2: is going to have offensive success, he has got to

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Speaker 2: have success himself.

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Speaker 3: I like I honestly, I think the run game is

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Speaker 3: where this offense struggles the most right now, and I

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Speaker 3: think if they can get that going, it's going to

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Speaker 3: open things up for Dak Prescott. So I agree with Brian,

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Speaker 3: I really do. I think Tony Pollard is the key

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Speaker 3: to this thing. And I mean the real key is

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Speaker 3: the offensive line.

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Speaker 7: Say maybe the MVP's the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: Well, that might be the number one concern. The MVP

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Speaker 3: would have to be Tony Poller because he's the only

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Speaker 3: one that could maybe make it invad home.

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Speaker 6: They've had some struggles.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you always great offensive lineman, you know, sixty

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Speaker 2: five plays, you know they might if if they have

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Speaker 2: three bad plays, it's an understanding. If they have six

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Speaker 2: bad plays or seven bad plays, then there's a problem there.

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Speaker 2: And we're starting to see if you're great sixty five plays,

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Speaker 2: that there's six or seven problems. You know, Tyler Smith

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Speaker 2: in a couple of games has not been as great

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Speaker 2: as he has been in the past.

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Speaker 6: Tyler Beatdish is healthy and he's not been great as much.

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Speaker 2: You know, Zach Martin is really playing on one leg

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Speaker 2: right now. Tyron Smith started off the year really, really well.

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00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: And Terrence Steele, I mean, you know it's just him

1117
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: and Martin on the right side have just not gotten

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00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: it going blocking wise, like we've seen in the past,

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Speaker 2: the tight ends have got to be better at the

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Speaker 2: point of attack if they're gonna do anything in this

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Speaker 2: running game as well.

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Speaker 3: Man, there's a long way to go and there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of things to look at with this Cowboys team,

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00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: but man, we're gonna cover it all the way through.

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Speaker 3: We're back to the normal podcast schedule tomorrow and catch

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Speaker 3: Barry Church on Players Lounge ThM Central Time. Tell me

1127
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: why you should watch Players Lounge.

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Speaker 4: Because I'm on it all right. If you want to

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00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 4: learn anything about football, just you know.

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Speaker 3: Kurt, You're on Hanging with the Boys. You guys go

1131
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: at one pm Central Time Monday through Friday. Why should

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00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: we watch Hanging Because Nat and Jesse's on it. That's

1133
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: a humble brad, humble man. Brian on The Break eleven

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Speaker 3: am Central Time. Everybody watches The Break.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh no, we all like the Break and so yeah,

1136
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: I think that Patrick Walker has done a great job

1137
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: with his insight there. Amberger sia. It brings the fire

1138
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: and the passion every week, and Derek kind of moves

1139
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: the thing around like you's all and Iverson's a point guard.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

1141
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: We have we have a we have a good show

1142
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: and encourage people to to stay tuned.

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00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: Callin de A I and I'm gonna call him AI

1144
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: over there. And then, of course if you're watching the

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00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: show already this is Talking Cowboys. We'll be back, of

1146
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: course with the normal crew, Nick Harris, Isaiah Stanback, John

1147
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: Machoda starting tomorrow, nine am Central Time, Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 3: This has been fun, gentlemen, Thanks for coming on. This

1149
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: has been so much fun. Lots of talking ball. That's

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00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: what we're our show is all about. We like to

1151
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: talk ball and of course break down what this this

1152
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: Cowboys team is doing. So should be a whole lot

1153
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: of fun. Long to go in week eight. Crazy to

1154
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: think we're already there anyways for Chris Bean, for Barry Church,

1155
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Speaker 3: Kurt Daniels, and of course Brian brought us some Kyle

1156
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Speaker 3: Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. Will see you

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Speaker 3: tomorrow on Dallascowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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