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Speaker 1: Now onto the episode.

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Speaker 2: There are many surprising things about Detective Louis Garcela, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about his questionable police work. But for me,

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Speaker 2: probably the most surprising thing is this. At the same

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Speaker 2: time that Louis Garcela was a first grade detective, the

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Speaker 2: highest rank in Ny detective can achieve, he was also

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Speaker 2: a carnie that's right, a barker and at Coney Island

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Speaker 2: no less, the famous amusement park at the southern tip

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Speaker 3: Hey, come on in, come on over every game and winter,

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Speaker 3: every winter. Lodge saw he's probably just got to be

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Speaker 3: in it to win the Derby horse Race for first place.

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Speaker 4: Who's it going to be? Who's going to be the one?

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Speaker 1: And then there's for me this additional surprise. One day,

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Speaker 1: Louis explained to us how he went about fixing games.

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Speaker 2: But first we're going to take a trip with Louie

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Speaker 2: to Coney Island, the Coney Island where he grew up,

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Speaker 2: the Coney Island he loved and that loved him back.

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Speaker 1: Louis never lay Louise like usually there with his thermist

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Speaker 4: And they were at the right place.

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Speaker 1: It's at the ticket birth right. My producer and I

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Speaker 1: are at the get booth for the stadium where the

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Speaker 1: Cyclones play. Oh, Louis Scarcela, We're here, Are you here? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Two minutes. I'm really looking forward to him in his

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Speaker 4: How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 1: You are at home?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't get more home than this one.

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Speaker 3: When my dad and my granddad or I would drive here,

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Speaker 3: the Cropsy Avenue Bridge then Canal, and my heart would

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Speaker 3: eight years old, and the same thing happened today. Every

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Speaker 2: When Louis Scarcela was a kid, Coney Island was in

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Speaker 2: its prime, It's heyday. The amusement park featured the famous

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Speaker 2: Cyclone roller coaster. It made such sharp sudden turns that

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Speaker 1: For Louis. As we start walking, it seems like every

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Speaker 3: Shatskins was right here on the corner of fifteenth Street

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Speaker 2: Louis started going to Coney Island as a kid back

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Speaker 3: Fifties, when I was five and six years old running

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Speaker 3: And when people would tell me what I would want

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Speaker 2: By the eighties, he was a detective and a bumper

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Speaker 1: And that's another memory.

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Speaker 3: Mary Hood was an old burlesque queen at that time.

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Speaker 4: She was in her nineties and she.

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Speaker 3: Was the ticket taker of the El Dorado for the

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Speaker 2: She was one day, must have still been. In the eighties,

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Speaker 2: Louis was called to Coney Island for a security job,

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Speaker 2: at the time, Coney Island's games were printing money.

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Speaker 1: Over a holiday weekend. The games took in so much

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Speaker 3: They hired me to go to Coney Island for security.

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Speaker 3: And I worked for a derby horse race game. And

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Speaker 3: I was watching the guy on the microphone and I said,

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Speaker 3: I got on the microphone.

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Speaker 2: As we know, Louie loved being the center of attention,

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Speaker 2: but also he was good at it. He was good

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Speaker 2: Louis did love people. He developed that spiel.

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Speaker 3: Who's going to take that prize away? Electronic hoss racing

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Speaker 2: Others might have been getting rich, as Louis recalls, he

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Speaker 3: I had a daughter in law school, I had a

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Speaker 3: I would work sixteen hours there. I would start it

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Speaker 3: And I loved being with the people. I loved being

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Speaker 1: You were homicide detective at the time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I was, so how does that work? I

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Speaker 1: The game shut down at four, but that wasn't the

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Speaker 3: Listen to this. My friend Jazz, he used to live

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Speaker 3: in a trailer and we used to drink from four

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Speaker 3: I used to go home. I used to sleep from

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Speaker 2: It was a game on the Bowery, which is the

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Speaker 2: central thoroughfare called the Derby horse Race, where he made

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Speaker 2: his mark. He made a lot of money for the bosses,

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Speaker 2: was great with the crowd. Only one real challenge if

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Speaker 2: one of the contestants kept winning.

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Speaker 1: Eventually, as we walk around Coney Island with Louis up

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Speaker 1: site of the Derby horse Race, Louise Old Workplace.

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Speaker 3: We had seventeen We had seventeen seats and we had

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Speaker 2: It's one of those games where you shoot water at

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Speaker 2: a target in order to make a toy racehorse run.

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Speaker 4: Now we had a problem. It was this Puerto Rican guy,

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Speaker 4: that's Manny. He was very good.

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Speaker 3: He would win, he would win once, he would win twice,

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Speaker 3: he would win three times, says man and then he

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Speaker 3: would walk out and sell the prize. That's no good.

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Speaker 3: So what we had to do is put a smice in.

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Speaker 3: What it was was a mechanism that allowed anyone you

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Speaker 1: So I'm time to imagine, how's this miice work? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you want, yeah, exactly, something on the table.

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Speaker 3: If you wanted number nine to win, you hit it

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Speaker 3: nine times. If you wanted number seventeen to win, there

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Speaker 3: was another. One would be ten and you'd hit six more.

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Speaker 3: Took me a couple of minutes to figure it out

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Speaker 3: to do it. So if Manny came in and he

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Speaker 3: won twice, that was it. If you wanted a beautiful

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Speaker 3: to put that in because Many was killing us.

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Speaker 1: Wow, he was rigging the game.

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Speaker 4: That's Coney Island, you know what I'm saying. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: It was part of the show.

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Speaker 4: No, no, we weren't hip anybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, he kind of was. I mean, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what he was doing. We move on. The

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Speaker 1: tour continues, Louis deep into his Coney Island, past his

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Speaker 1: happy place where the stakes for rigging the system were

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Speaker 1: pretty low. Louis is looking for old friends. We poke

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Speaker 4: And let me just seek my friend him and see, hi,

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Speaker 4: am how you doing. Yeah, they're doing a little story here.

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Speaker 1: So you don't even remember Louis at the bar.

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Speaker 5: When he was a.

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Speaker 4: Carneye at the Derby horse Race.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Louis hoping to connect with someone who can revel

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Speaker 1: in the old days with him, and Loui's got someone

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Speaker 1: in mind, a carne named Raymond.

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Speaker 4: This is where I started.

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Speaker 3: Now now if it's for rent, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: Louis hasn't been to the Bowery in years, but he

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Speaker 1: remembers Raymond. He worked with Raymond on the basketball shooting game.

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Speaker 1: They kept the winners in checking that game by overinflating

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Speaker 3: Me and my friend Raymond. I worked with him and

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Speaker 1: Raymond was like Louis Carneie Yogi.

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Speaker 3: Raymond was a very hard worker and maybe down there,

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Speaker 1: In search of Raymond, we stumble onto one of the

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Speaker 4: Let me ask this guy, young man, Can I ask

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Speaker 4: remember me? You know, were you here in the eighties?

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Speaker 5: You are Mama, Yes, Andy, Mama, She and Scott. You

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Speaker 5: don't remember me, Louis, Yeah, you remember me, Louis, Louis

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Speaker 5: the cop I used to work with Scotty. I used

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Speaker 5: So we move along. Louie pushes on. Then like magic,

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Speaker 3: Oh, Raymond, Raymond. I'm sorry, is Raymond down the block

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Speaker 3: at the basketball game? Can I ask you one question, sir?

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Speaker 3: Does Jeff Piersley still own this? But you're just you're

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Speaker 1: It's all a little disappointing for Louis.

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Speaker 2: It's like Louis is looking in Coney Island, for it's

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Speaker 1: Those days are gone, long gone, and now Louis wanders

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Speaker 4: And then where do I know you're from?

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Speaker 3: What's your name?

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Speaker 1: My name is Dina. Dina is behind a small stand

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Speaker 1: selling soda and pretzels and assorted souvenirs. She's a carnie,

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Speaker 3: I used to work for Jeff in the eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was out here back then. I just got older.

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Speaker 4: You didn't get old, of Holy Christ.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually fifty, so yeah, we were out of here

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Speaker 1: I remember you. Dina is full of love in a

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Speaker 1: Don't get it looking, don't get it fucking twisted. You

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Speaker 1: the fuck did I looked at? I says, you said,

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Speaker 1: actually did you remember this guy? I actually do. He's

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Speaker 1: been out here a long time. He's like Coney Island

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Speaker 1: she had to Yeah, and just like that Louis and Dina.

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Speaker 2: You know all of them like, I've just known him

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Speaker 1: But I was really close to Caesar, and they're prafectly raised.

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Speaker 4: Your girl like Charlie, Joe Balzamo, Jeff.

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Speaker 5: Lay, the Originals, Sandy Shoa, the Originals.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them have passed on, Sir, A lot

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Speaker 4: Where's Raymonds there?

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Speaker 1: He's not Raymond's not there.

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Speaker 2: I know, I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of new people out here, all right.

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Speaker 2: You know what happened.

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Speaker 1: You moved spot to spot, people.

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Speaker 2: Died, all new people buy the properties you.

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Speaker 1: Moved from from location location. You're always in here somehow,

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Speaker 4: But it's different, because it's in your blood.

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Speaker 1: It's different. I have to remember when the rides weren't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when the when the Wonder Where was

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Speaker 1: It was just a quarter.

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Speaker 2: So it was the cyclone, the cyclone, it was a quarter.

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Speaker 1: First it was ten cents. It was a quarter it's

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Speaker 1: been a while, so to meet you. Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 4: Taking easy, I'll.

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Speaker 1: Go. The legend lives on here.

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Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, the legend lives on, but it's kind of

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Speaker 2: also holding on by his fingertips. It all seems to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of sad. Louis so full of energy,

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly why it occurred to me to ask this,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to know where Louis planned to be buried.

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Speaker 1: Louis thought about having his ashes spread on the waters

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Speaker 1: of Coney Island. What were your headstone saying?

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Speaker 3: Come on in, come on over where? Every game A winner?

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Speaker 1: A winner? Yeah, a winner. This episode was produced by

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Speaker 1: Drew Nellis. Our associate producer and production coordinator is Austin Smith.

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