1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Please. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lilly here with Matt Williamson. Matt. 4 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Peter King is on vacation right now, like he usually 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: does when he is on vacation for his uh what 6 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: is it the football? Monday Morning Quarterback, Monday Morning quarterback 7 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: whatever they're calling it now football now n Monday. Um. 8 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: He gets a guest to come in and write his 9 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: column each week, then he's on vacation. So the guests 10 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: this week was our friend great Costell. Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, 11 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: So I read that headline. I should quick on that one. 12 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: I read that this week and Gregg brought up a 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: very valid point here that the football analytics crowd seems 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: to overlook a lot of time. Uh and he writes 15 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: this is one of his ten thoughts. He says, I 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: think I'm still trying to get a true understanding of 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: the analytics as it applies to NFL football. I'll be 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: the first to admit that I'm not an expert in 19 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: the area, so I think so I keep trying to 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: learn more and more. One thing I keep being told 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: by those who know far more than I I do, 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: is that analytics based is based on the accumulation of 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: data over time. In other words, its results driven, with 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: the overwriting premise being that more information is always better 25 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: than less information. Understand Suppose right? My guess is that 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: all football coaches going back to the era of Paul 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: Brown believed that, and we'll always believe that. Yeah, more 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: information is better. Absolutely where we have advanced with technology 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: as the amount, in detail and nuance of the information 30 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: available to personnel people and coaches, Let's focus on the 31 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: coaches and game planning and in game decisions. It would 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: seem to me the question becomes, how can all of 33 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: this information be applied and utilized to help coaches make 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: better play calls and decisions throughout the course of the game, 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: especially in critical situation. It's what to put in what 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: to leave out that ultimately ultimately becomes important and overload 37 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: of information clutters the mind. So analytics works best for 38 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: those coaches who have understand how to take excesses of information, 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: pair it down to its base and essentials, and then 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: effectively apply it in game situations. I'm sure smarter people 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: than I will tell me I'm wrong, and I'm always 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: willing to listen and learn. He then gives a scenario here, 43 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: how about this for an in game situation, purely hypothetical 44 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: for purposes of the discussion. It's fourth and two in 45 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the third quarter on your opponent's forty two yard line. 46 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: A ten year study of that down and distance on 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: the part of the field indicates that teams that go 48 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: for it are successful seventy six percent of the time. Again, 49 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: this is just type of hypothetic. Okay, so the analytics 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: statistics strongly suggests you should go for the first down. 51 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: But how does that or how does what happened in 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: the past have any relevance on this specific situation in 53 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: that given game. And if you're if you believe it does, 54 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: then what's the personnel group, the play call, what goes 55 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: into what goes into the play call? You're starting left 56 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: guard got hurt and you're playing with a backup at 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: the position kind of matters, kind of a big deal, 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: and he's getting whipped. Yeah, I mean, you've got a 59 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: lot of not to interrupt you, but yes, you have 60 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: a ten years of data on that this situation is 61 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: a go for its situation, but you also might have 62 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: forty plays of data tell you don't go for it. 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: This guy is getting beat by the dude in front 64 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: of him, you know, the time and time again, and 65 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: what's what? What played? And my what's my bread and butter? 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: What am I going to y? How does that factor in? 67 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Is that part of the analytics because we're now we 68 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: are getting into the process of critical play call in 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: a specific moment in time, and not just simply previous 70 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: outcomes of mathematical equations. It's this dichotomy between the process 71 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: and track record I find so interesting, And there's so 72 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: much more in that process than a specific game situation. 73 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: How to pass results which provide no context impact what 74 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: is happening right now? So I can't wait to learn 75 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: more and hopefully becomes smarter. First of all, Greg's not 76 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: saying that tongue in cheek. I mean, I've got to 77 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: know him. He sat down with us enough. He's a 78 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: very humble guy, and he's old. I mean he's been 79 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: doing this a very very's also very experienced guy, I 80 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: mean old in a necessarily a bad way. So I 81 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: think he's the first to tell you that this all 82 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: old dog is up for learning new tricks. But I've 83 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: been doing this a long time and he's dialed in 84 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: with coaches and game tape way more than most analysts 85 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: out there, including you and I, and realize that's not 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: really how coaches think. You know that they think in 87 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: a specific situation, boy, our go to play here is 88 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: an out route, but it's super windy and raining, or 89 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: and my best receiver. If you can give me the 90 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: specifics of the analytics stuff right well, and analytics that 91 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: you should go for it here. Okay, those previous hundred 92 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: times that this that this happened, were they on you know, 93 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: were they in a dome where they you know, there's 94 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: That's why football I think can't be necessary. It can't 95 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: be just the analytics like you know, baseball. I think 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: baseball can be pretty analytically. Absolutely bring this guy can't 97 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: hit left hands? Okay, we're bringing the left hand right, right, 98 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: right right. There's something to that, you know, right these 99 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: lefty things, or I should walk them here, or you know, yeah, 100 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna set up a double play here. 101 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and walk it. When to put 102 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: a shift on, It's not like that. Football is not 103 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: like this first, because weather play is a big part 104 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: of it. You're asking eleven human beings. I'm gonna say 105 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: this more and more. I mean, unlike other sports, the 106 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: game is stopped, you snap the ball and eleven guys 107 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: have a job that they have to all execute together. 108 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Where basketball four dudes clear out and you give it 109 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: to Lebron. You know, it's a one on one, right, 110 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, and all the you know, a hitter comes 111 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: up and doesn't care what the other ten teammates are doing, 112 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: et cetera. This brings me to the Steelers though a 113 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: little bit, because it just so happens. We didn't pre 114 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: play on this, but I was talking about my my 115 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: latest Excel spreadsheet of success per drive and things like that, 116 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: and it came up in our conversation what teams punted 117 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: the most in two thousand twenty, And the Jets were 118 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: by far the worst offense you've ever heard and heard, 119 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and the Steelers were high in number of punts. 120 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: And I was shocked by that. And so after my podcast, 121 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: I just kind of thought about it because I wanted 122 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: to bring it up to you. Why were the Steelers 123 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: high in number of punts? Well, they also were high 124 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: in number of drives. They more drives in most teams, 125 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: so therefore their punts per drive probably weren't necessarily all 126 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: that high. And this goes back to your conversation. I 127 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: think Tomlin realized we're a very bad short yardage team, 128 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: and the numbers proved that over the last two years, 129 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: which is another reason I think Naja Harris is here 130 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: that I don't trust this group to get the extra yard. 131 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna punt and oh, by the way of a 132 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: great defense, I'm gonna trust them. We saw that happen 133 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: late in the game against the Browns, and Mike Tomlin 134 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: got crushed for it. They punted from just outside the 135 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: forty in this neighborhood. In that in that same neighborhood, 136 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, pin that pin that other team 137 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: back inside there, hopefully inside their five, but certainly you're 138 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: gonna try to do it inside to ten and trust 139 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: your defense to make a play to get off the 140 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: field again and get the ball back quickly. I'll be honest. 141 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna talk out of both sides of 142 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: my mouth. When that happened, I was critical of Tomlin 143 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: and I would not have punted, But it's still knowing 144 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: your team, which I don't know one tenth as well 145 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: as he does of course, or who's winning, what individual addles? 146 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: What was our play call if we don't punt? See, 147 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: that's the thing people don't talk about Jesus to say, 148 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: oh you punted, that's an easy way. That's the way 149 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: I go for that on? Mad for that, right, Mad? 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: But okay, what's the play call that you trusted there 151 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: to go for it on? I mean, are they sitting 152 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: on all the short routes and you know they know 153 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: that's coming, So that's not necessarily best plan of attack. 154 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: You're running backs never proven to get a lot of 155 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: yards on his own. You know, where's the line matchup? 156 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: You love that you're running behind? So there's more than 157 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: just going forward or not. What's the play that you trust? Yeah? 158 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: And you know, maybe at that point you you had 159 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: three plays that you really liked in that situation, and 160 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: you've already burned them all. And you've burned them all 161 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: and they think they've probably been into good indicator that 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: they're coming again, you know, right, So there is more 163 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, it all comes down to you know, 164 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: and Mike that you'll hear Mike Tomlins say a lot 165 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: of times I went with my gut in that situation, 166 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: which makes you sound like he's not analytical and that 167 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: he's old school and setting his ways. But I also 168 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: think it's a shortcut to saying it's an educated I'm 169 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: looking in the I'm looking in the eyes of my 170 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: offense or my defense and saying, okay, can we get 171 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: this here? You get that. It's the it's the human factor, 172 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: and there's always going to be a human factor when 173 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: it comes down to the analytics. You're not playing Madden here. Well, 174 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: every time I do this the computer. Does you know 175 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm playing against you know the computer. The computer shows 176 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: me this look and I just complete the pass easy, 177 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: nothing to nothing to and again I love the magic 178 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: hit pause and thought about it for a minute before 179 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: and grabbed a beer and thought about it and came 180 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: up with the plan the play I wanted to use. Yeah, 181 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: And the other aspect of it that's kind of the 182 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: human thing too, is those position coaches are busy on 183 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: game days. So Tomlin could radio his offensive line coach 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: or his tight end coach, let alone the coordinator. Can 185 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: we get this? I don't think so, coach, this guy's 186 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: gotten it out here. He's just right. You know, he's 187 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: hanging off on one ankle, know what I mean, hanging 188 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: on for dear life here Two years ago we had 189 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: to run behind Markis and David and we'd have got 190 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: this all day long. I don't trust it to this point. 191 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: You get that all the time your special teams coach 192 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: to like, do you trust even a great kicker, you know, 193 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: whoever it is, Tucker? Do you trust Tucker to drill 194 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: this in this wind from the right hash? I don't think, coach, 195 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: you know you're asking a lot. Okay, Well, that takes 196 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: that option off the table, you know, yeah, it's all 197 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's all relative. I just you know that's 198 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: why when the you know, it goes back to our 199 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: conversations that we had about the selection of a running 200 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: back in the first goes hand in hand nine times 201 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: out of ten, I completely agree, right, Okay, Yeah, that 202 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: that might be a wasted pick or a pick that 203 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: you could get a better player at another position who 204 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: would be with you longer term. But if you don't 205 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: have a running back and that's your main need and 206 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: there's only three available, you take the running back and Derris. 207 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: All I mean, okay, so who would you have taken? 208 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: You know, the lineman wasn't there, and there was a 209 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: big gap after the Derris. It's the same thing, you 210 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: know that we've read that on on ESPN a couple 211 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Barnwell wrote the story and he talked 212 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: out of both sides of his mouth on that, like 213 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: the Steelers would have been better off taking Derri saw Well, 214 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: he wasn't available. He went to before, so there's no 215 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: conversation there the next offensive right then taking you who 216 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: was Dickerson or somebody like that. And by the time 217 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: those the next offensive lineman went, all three of the 218 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: running backs were gone. All the running backs were gone, 219 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: and there there was a lot of centers too. I mean, 220 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: and you could even have the Creed Humphrey and round 221 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: two conversation. I thought that was a slam dunk when 222 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: it came around, but you've got nothing a tight end. 223 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that was the last chance. I don't know 224 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,239 Speaker 1: it was a good decent player, but I mean they 225 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: adding the tight end and Harris really are very friendly 226 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: throws for an end of career Ben and the next guy. 227 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what people need to think about. Sure, 228 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: the line could have some growing pains, but you had 229 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: growing pains with Derrisaw or Dickerson too. Absolutely, Derrisaw hasn't 230 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: gotten on the field yet from Minnesota, right right. I mean, 231 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: they're they're they're fine players. I may have known something 232 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: they may have passed on me. They said, well, he's 233 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: dealing with a sports turning or something you're not to mention. 234 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: We thought he'd be a top twelve pick and he fell. 235 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Was there something there that we don't quite know about? 236 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: I mean, his playing temperament came and went. Was their 237 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: injuries we don't know, But that that makes it. I 238 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: remember on draft day when Derrissaw went, I made the 239 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: joke like that takes it off because I don't have 240 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: to talk about the next six months of Derrissaw versus Harris, 241 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: because my hunches, as much as they loved Harris, they 242 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: would take in Harris just because they loved the player. Yeah. 243 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, but it would 244 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: have been a different conversation post Harris pick if Derrissaw 245 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: was still But if you're gonna tell me they shouldn't 246 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: have taken Harris, you gotta give me somebody that they 247 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: should have taken in this. I get the friar muth 248 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, um Humphrey conversation a little bit more because 249 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: there was good ones there. Yeah, that's a little bit 250 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: different situation. But is the difference between Humphrey and Green dramatic? 251 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: I don't think. And that's what you know advanced scouting 252 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: and your pro staff tells you is okay, coach, we 253 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: like five centers. Well, there's probably only four teams that 254 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: are really in the center market. You know, maybe you 255 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: didn't think Kansas City would be after the moves they've made. 256 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: That still gives you one leeway, you know what. Right now, 257 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: it's all about knowing knowing the board too. If there's five, 258 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: we can live with a starting centers. I don't think 259 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna go. I think one will be there in 260 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: the third round. And sometimes you get burned with that, 261 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: but you take your chances. It's like playing black chack. 262 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks wrote a piece on NFL dot com. Uh, 263 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: it's about the top Uh there five quarterback coach Duo 264 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: is under the most pressure this year. Uh. Number one 265 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: on his list is Matthew Stafford and Sean McVeigh because 266 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: they're all in there. I mean, you give up a 267 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: couple of first round draft picks in your quarters starting 268 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: quarterback to go get this guy. Um, you better, you 269 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: better work out, workout. I mean they're very aggressive, risky 270 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: organization that doesn't value first round picks the way others do. 271 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: And I'm in the boat, but I'm not a dent 272 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: in the boat. I'm not willing to, like bet my 273 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: mortgage on it that Stafford is a way better player 274 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: than given credit for. There's some injury history there, there's 275 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: some he's never won a playoff game. You can only 276 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: blame you know, can you blame Wentz in Donald's environment? Sure, 277 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: but they were really bad. Stafford was good in a 278 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: bad environment. But as he does that mean he's great, right, 279 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm not certain. I tend to lean towards that he is. 280 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes players you know you're not You don't win games 281 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: because you're not a winner. I don't know if Matthew 282 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Stafford's a winner. I have no idea. Yeah, we don't 283 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: know that. There's no question. So it is a pivotal 284 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's to me like in just his legacy, 285 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: he could be a Hall of Famer If he plays 286 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, the next three years and the Rams and 287 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: takes them to division wins and you know, shows the 288 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: those in the super Bowl, and that keeps time in 289 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: his career and his legacy. But the thing about the 290 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: Rams is they're so top heavy, you know what I mean, 291 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: if Donald heaven Forbid loses you know, a month or 292 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: Ramsey or you know, Nol Stafford, they have so much 293 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: tied up in just a couple of players. Number two 294 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: on his list is Baltimore with Lamar Jackson John Harbaugh. 295 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Jackson's thirty and seven in his career in a regular season. 296 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: People don't like to bring that up around here, but 297 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: that's pretty damn good. It's pretty damn good. But one 298 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: playoff win, I know, I know, and that's you know, 299 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: I know he wasn't great in his first playoff loss 300 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: against the Titans, but in that game he set the 301 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: record for most yards from scrimmage from a human being 302 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Like, I'm not sure it was all 303 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: on him. The question becomes, though, can that style of 304 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: play win in the playoffs? You know, yeah, that'll be 305 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: that'll get you wins against the Bengals, and that'll get 306 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: your wins against some of these you know, lesser teams. 307 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: When you're playing You'll get your wins when you get 308 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: an early Yeah, but if you get behind and you're 309 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: gonna be playing good teams in the playoffs, you're gonna 310 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: get you're gonna fall behind in the postseason. For all 311 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: those reasons, not to mention, like Baker and Josh Allen, 312 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: it's contract time for Lamar. It is a make or 313 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: break year, and he they should be high on Bucky's 314 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: list because the one aspect we haven't talked about is Okay, 315 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: now I'm giving you Sammy and Bateman, and I need 316 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: to see completions, not even from Lamar, but from the 317 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: offense as a whole. Outside the numbers on out routes. 318 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, NFL caliber things right right, 319 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: right right, you know, just average NFL calibers and comebacks 320 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: and outs and yeah, because he doesn't throw the ball poorly, 321 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: I do think his receivers have hurt him more than 322 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: he's hurt the outside passing game. But now show it 323 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: to me, you know, if you're gonna get one on ones. 324 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: We talked about the in the rank article before, and 325 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: he's talking about how the Steelers got steamrolled in some 326 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: of these games where they fell behind, like the playoff 327 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: game against Cleveland last year, they're done twenty eight nothing. 328 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: They were in an awful situation and that came they 329 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: there was a one score game and uh in the 330 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: third quarter, early fourth quarter, and a lot of it 331 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: was self induced stairs, self induced stairs. If the Ravens 332 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: fall behind somebody twenty eight nothings over, it's it's it's 333 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: beyond over. They got no chance of coming back. That's 334 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: what needs to change for them, you know, And that's 335 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: what you're trying to change. We'll see number three on 336 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: the list, the Colts, Carson Winson, Frank Reich. For sure, 337 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: they could. They could very easily be number one. That 338 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: could easily be number one. That's a good that's a 339 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: good roster roster, and it's a deep roster and a 340 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: well built a lot of second round picks, you know, 341 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: things like that that you're gonna have to start it forever. 342 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: After this season, you're gonna start paying those second round picks. 343 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to pay Darian Nelson. Yeah, those guys 344 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: who make those guys are gonna make big money and 345 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to afford. And obviously it's 346 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: critical for Wins. I mean it's near death career experienced time. 347 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: Now you got bench for Jalen Hurts and through a 348 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of at interceptions last year and even his 349 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: great year his quote m v P year and I 350 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: like him, don't get me wrong. He had some unsustainable 351 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: things like converted an unbelievable amount of third and long, 352 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, things like that, and then don't keep up, 353 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: and then he's been hurt a lot, right, would you 354 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: bet on him? I don't know that. I mean, I'm 355 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: not gonna kill the cold. I wouldn't want him to 356 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: be my own all my eggs in that basket like 357 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: they should have kept. Jacoby said exactly, That's who all said. 358 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: And then still have Visan out there, right, you know, right. Yeah, 359 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: to say you're going to go into this season with 360 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and and nothing nobody's ever thrown in the 361 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: NFL pass to me is very very dicey me too, 362 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: because they've had cap space too. It's not like this 363 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: same It's not only they couldn't afford it, or the 364 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: Eagles or just go to the Steelers that couldn't go 365 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: gett that type of you know, like even if they 366 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: went out and signed a miss Robiski. Okay, I'm at 367 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: least you can resurrect them too. In the process. At 368 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: least he's taking a team to the playoffs. You know, 369 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: there's there's something there. They could win that division with 370 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: Jacoby were said as a seventeen game star. Yeah, I mean, 371 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure i'd pick them, but they could. Yeah. 372 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I just it's you put all your eggs 373 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: in that basket. If he's throwing picks left and right, 374 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: they're not gonna They could have a six win season. Yeah, 375 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, for that roster to have 376 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: the talent that they have overall, and you've done nothing 377 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 1: with it to this point. I mean, Philip Rivers last year, 378 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't win. They made the playoffs. Well, okay, 379 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: team just making the playoffs is not good enough. And 380 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: this is part of the Steelers Di Lamma too, is 381 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in the a f C just getting Okay, 382 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: quarterback play might not be enough couple of years, you know, 383 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure you know, Baker is good enough. 384 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: I mean the Allen's and my homes and Herbert's and Lawrence. 385 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there's some superstars already in the A f 386 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: C and it might only be getting better, including my homes. Yeah, 387 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: as you know, as much as the Browns hype train 388 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: is great gaining steam here, what did they really do 389 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: last year? They won a game where they were gifted 390 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: nothing leading for the most part. You know, he gets 391 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: you were up seven nothing before your offense did a thing. 392 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: Oh right, I mean that was optimal for them, But 393 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: the way they play too, I'm not sure they're a 394 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: come from behind team either yet. Last year number four 395 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: here and these guys could be on here every year 396 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: because it's who it is. Uh, the Raiders with John 397 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: Gruden and Derek Carr. I guess I think that's because 398 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: a lot of Gruden volatility in general, and what I 399 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: mean by that is impatience. He's been the coach for 400 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: three years now, their nine. It's not a good and 401 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: they don't have It's not like the roster's ready to 402 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: turn the corner. Nobody's picking them to win the West. 403 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not like the Browns where Okay, now 404 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: I think their time is coming. They're the same, but 405 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: it's not Car's fault. Your offense have been pretty good. 406 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: Defense stinks. The team buildings thinks, yea, does somebody get fired, 407 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: like if they have another one of those seasons like you, 408 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking more like Mayock maybe, but anyone 409 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: knows knows. Gruden's the one making all the calls. But 410 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: do you see do you go to them then say hey, 411 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: you can't, you can't be the personnel guy anymore? Maybe, 412 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean maybe something you know heads to fall. Gruden 413 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: would not be my head coach and he would never 414 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: accept this role. But if you could just have him 415 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator, I think he'd be as good 416 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: as there is in the league. But he's not the 417 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: He's not great on game day, you know. He he 418 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: doesn't put any influence into the defense, and they keep 419 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: hiring his friends, you know what I mean? Like they 420 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: play very They're gonna play a generic Seattle cover three 421 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: without the pass rush rush. Teams love playing against that, 422 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: you know. So I don't have high hopes for the Raiders, 423 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: but I often bring this up. Derek Carr could be 424 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: my Steeler quarterback next year if he falls a lot 425 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: of favor and that lines and shambles and Gruden is 426 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: safe and somebody has to roll, and they're saying take 427 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: their car off our hands for a second round pick. Yeah, 428 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, I don't blame him. I'm not saying he's 429 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: quite you know, the that level of my homes and 430 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: a f C what Lawrence could be. But he's the 431 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: top ten type quarterback to me. Number five on the 432 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: list is the Chicago Bears with Andy Dalton slash Justin 433 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: Fields and Matt Naggy. I guess I don't think I 434 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: would have picked them just when you draft the Fields 435 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: or Allance, especially in this case. Shannahan's lat in any 436 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: career or any you know, jobs and security problems. But 437 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: the Bears can use as excuse. I'm going with the 438 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Eagles here for hurts. Yeah, I mean it's there's a 439 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: lot of them hurts. Daniel Jones maybe two. Uh, that 440 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: their teams have an extra first round pick next year. 441 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I need you that bad. You know 442 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: what I mean? This is I put a lot around you. 443 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: I draft Wattle very easily could have gone with the 444 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: Saints on this list. Yeah. Yeah, Like, Okay, Sean you 445 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: you you know you don't have this superstar quarterback anymore. 446 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: You don't have your your Hall of Fame quarterback anymore. 447 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with What are you gonna 448 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: do now? Like the Steelers will probably on that list 449 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, no matter who their quarterback is, as 450 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: long as it's not set right, it doesn't matter who 451 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: it is. It could be Watson or Wilson or the 452 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: first pick overall or whatever it's. But they've season kind 453 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: of gave us. We've seen it, we've seen what it 454 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: looked different than others with with two completely inexperienced quarterbacks. 455 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: You know for sure, you know Sean Payton still considered 456 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: a genius. Um, let's see what you know. Is he 457 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: still a genius after this season? I don't know. I 458 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: wish they had more weapons around them too. They didn't 459 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: do much to help. They couldn't be a great line. Yeah. Uh, 460 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: I forget they drafted that defensive end. I thought they 461 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: had ended up with Darius Tony or you know, Elijah 462 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: another weapon. Yeah, it's one more guy, one more receiver. 463 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: They really have to. Yeah, so it's gonna be interesting. 464 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: You can look at them, um, I mean you can 465 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: look at thirty two of them. You know what's going 466 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: on in Seattle? Yeah? I didn't think this is his 467 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: last year. There were rumors that that he wants out. Um, 468 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: you know this, this could be the end of that marriage. 469 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: How much there's Carol Code? How is how is Green 470 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: Bay not on this list? Yeah? Without question? And it 471 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: maybe as a transitive property of it a Denver you 472 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: know a team like that? Where could Roger's Land. Uh, 473 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. I mean Carolina. They don't 474 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: seem like they're gonna be patient if Donald flops. I 475 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: bet there Colin Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson and making 476 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: a monster deal. You know, how about Atlanta? Yeah, because 477 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: you didn't always be screwed. You didn't draft, you didn't 478 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: draft the guy. If he Fields is awesome? Oh yes, 479 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: and really Denver should be in that category too. It 480 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: Fields is awesome. Denver and Atlanta don't look so great 481 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: even if certain and you know, the tight end go 482 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: on to have great careers. You pass on the pass 483 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: out a quarterback, right, you know, it's it's the Steve 484 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: There's it's the two thousand four draft all over again. 485 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: Kellen Winslow wasn't okay. I saw him person. He was 486 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: amazing before his injury. Yeah, but you passed on franchise 487 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: quarterback right? And again I was there for that. They 488 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: thought it sounds funny now passed on with Sean Taylor, 489 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: like they'd never have a quarterback. I mean, the Browns 490 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: at that point thought Luke McCown had a chance to 491 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: be a starter and that Garcia was the perfect stop gap. 492 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: They thought they had quarterbacks figured out, you know, because 493 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: the year I was there, we had the third pick 494 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: in the draft, and we're not taking Alex Smith or 495 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. No way. They were taking Braylon Edwards or 496 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: Ronnie Brown or you know. They didn't think that the 497 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: first round quarterback was in play. Yeah, yeah, unless you 498 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: have the guy. The quarterback should always be in play. 499 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: It really should. It really should go back to the analytics. 500 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: That's what the analytics analytis too, because not to mention, 501 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: let's say Jordan's Love was not the greatest pick. When 502 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: you drive him off the lot, his price doesn't go 503 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: down that much, you know. I mean, if he would 504 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: have had a good preseason, like a normal year, you 505 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: could probably get a first round pick for him right now, 506 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: right to Washington or maybe Pittsburgh or somebody somebody. They're caught. 507 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: They don't fall off a map. I mean, because acrost 508 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: efficient Donald was terrible, and they got a second out 509 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: of him plus some juice. You know, Wentz was pretty terrible. 510 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: They got two first out of him. You know what 511 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Like drafting quarterbacks never a terrible idea, and 512 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: it could have affected that the Seelers picked fifteen. Next year, 513 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: make a trade for Derek Carr and they draft a quarterback, 514 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have your guy between those guys and 515 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: Rudolph and you'll probably have one that you can trade 516 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: for something else. Again. Yeah, they got a fifth round 517 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: pick for Dobbs. Yes, you know what I mean, Like, 518 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: never a bad idea to add one to the Mark 519 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: Brunel sitting out there in somebody's bench. Yeah, right right. 520 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: If you can git on a dock in the fifth 521 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: round or whatever and have cheap r backs for a 522 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: long time, then you're really sitting britty. It's all very interesting. 523 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: But those were Bucky Brooks's top five quarterback situations, but 524 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: really shably rank them like one to thirty two because 525 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: they're all always under scrutiny, always, always, always. But that's 526 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: gonna do it for this show. So for my partner 527 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson, I almost said Jacob for Kellen Gerski here 528 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: on site keeping us on the air. I'm Dale Ali. 529 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: We thank you for listening to this edition of the 530 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.